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Czech self-propelled guns and old Finnish armored personnel carriers were noticed in Ukraine

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Czech self-propelled guns and old Finnish armored personnel carriers were noticed in Ukraine

Czech self-propelled guns Dana-M2


It became known about the transfer by Finland to Ukraine of old three-axle armored personnel carriers XA-180/185. For a long time, Helsinki did not disclose the details of the supply of military equipment for the needs of the armed formations of Ukraine.

Interestingly, the armored personnel carriers were delivered outdated. The XA-180 armored personnel carriers, also called Pasi, were produced in the early 1980s and were intended to replace the Soviet armored personnel carriers-60, which were in service with the ground forces.

The developers of armored personnel carriers created a model based on the military equipment of Germany and France. The mass of the armored personnel carrier is 15500 kg. The crew consists of two people, up to 15 fully equipped soldiers are placed in the troop compartment. There are also loopholes for small arms. weapons on the sides.

Armed with such an armored personnel carrier is a 12,7-mm machine gun NSVT "Utes". A Valmet 611 DSBJA turbocharged diesel engine with 236 hp was installed. The Finnish armored personnel carrier can reach speeds on the highway up to 100 km / h, swim at a speed of 9 km / h.

Previously, such armored personnel carriers were supplied to five countries of the world. Now they will appear in service with the Ukrainian army. True, it is not very clear yet how they will show themselves in real combat conditions.


Finnish armored personnel carrier XA-180

Another gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine was received from the Czech Republic. For the first time in Ukraine, wheeled self-propelled artillery mounts Dana-M2 were seen in combat areas. They appeared in the southern direction, in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions. These are 152-mm self-propelled guns, the acquisition of which by Kyiv was announced in the fall of 2020. Then the media reported on Kyiv's plans to buy 26 similar combat vehicles for $40 million.

Czech self-propelled guns also cannot be called ultra-modern. They are a modernized version of the self-propelled guns, the production of which ended back in 1989. In the process of modernization, the cabin was somewhat modified, communications equipment was replaced, automated guidance control systems and satellite navigation were installed.

Self-propelled guns use high-explosive fragmentation projectiles with a firing range of up to 18700 meters and jet DN1CZ, capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 25,5 km.

In May 2022, 20 obsolete self-propelled guns vz.77, model 1977, were transferred to Ukraine, which operate on the chassis of Tatra-815 all-terrain vehicles and have 345 hp engines. The vehicle is also armed with a 12,7 mm DShKM anti-aircraft machine gun.

However, it is known that the allied forces have already destroyed several of these self-propelled guns. Therefore, the events in Ukraine contribute to the "disarmament" of the Eastern European and Northern European states. Or are the Czech Republic and Finland thus getting rid of the ballast in the form of obsolete weapons in order to transfer their army to more modern models?
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 19 September 2022 08: 29
    +6
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces have interesting logistics, what level do you need to have in order to supply and repair everything. Or are they just thrown onto the battlefield?
    1. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 19 September 2022 08: 37
      +1
      It's old and old, but it's unpleasant when it snaps! He feels that soon he will get to the Vtorchermet base ...
      1. mitroha
        mitroha 19 September 2022 08: 48
        +5
        They forgot to add in the article that the armor of the XA-180/185 is bulletproof, the thickness of the frontal armor plates is 10mm, the rest are from 6 to 12 mm. The XA-185 modification has a larger troop compartment capacity of up to 20 people.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 September 2022 09: 17
      +13
      Throw on the battlefield? And you will bring the material of at least one trophy Dana? On the other hand, one Andropov Guards unit fired a second Mstu-SM2. This is in addition to two dozen T-80s and infantry fighting vehicles.


      Another part of the Guards, when they fled, threw the T-90M - the most modern battle tank in Russia. I won’t be surprised if they quickly take him to Rzeszow, and from there to the USA / WB.



      Shawshank on the T-90M wanted to shoot a detailed review, but they took the toy away. In Bovington, they also want to shoot reviews.


      But there are repair and evacuation units, and the logistics are debugged for one type.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 19 September 2022 11: 08
        +4
        And "Solntsepyok" gave one. Only because of the lack of shells do they use it as a tractor (the package was removed).
      2. Hitriy Zhuk
        Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 16
        +3
        I'm probably an idiot, but I'll ask anyway.
        And why couldn’t these dodiks blow up the tank once they threw it?
        There is also an ammunition rack, in general, the main thing is to "initiate".
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 19 September 2022 21: 30
          0
          And why couldn’t these dodiks blow up the tank once they threw it?

          So in our exercises, they always defeat a mock enemy, and then they hang medals for the victory, so the order of retreat has not been worked out.
    3. Machito
      Machito 19 September 2022 09: 20
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      The Ukrainian Armed Forces have interesting logistics, what level do you need to have in order to supply and repair everything. Or are they just thrown onto the battlefield?

      Our grandfathers have already seen this logistics during the Second World War. This time their far away from fascism? From London to Lisbon? Or to Reykjavik? Or immediately: satisfied with the ruins of the White House?
    4. iouris
      iouris 19 September 2022 11: 17
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Interesting logistics for the Ukrainian Armed Forces

      I wonder what kind of logistics the RF Armed Forces have after Serdyukov's reforms?
  2. Fisherman
    Fisherman 19 September 2022 08: 33
    +3
    Pampering all this ... on blood .... the old Soviet burned everything (and sold it themselves in 30 years) ... this only prolongs the agony of clownery in Kyiv ... and it’s not even very sorry that they go to fight against us - we such "citizens" are not really needed .... no one can force them to die in the slaughter, so these are all fairy tales for the tribunal ... so let them sit on the remains of European equipment and go to burn under our artillery and aviation - so the cities are safer there will be, without the stubborn Natsiks and their goofy-beaked servants, who drove into their melon that they are "above the mustache."
  3. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 19 September 2022 08: 34
    0
    They won’t calm down in any way. And I want to make war, but with the wrong hands. It's scary indeed.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 September 2022 08: 35
    +1
    Interestingly, the armored personnel carriers were delivered outdated. The XA-180 armored personnel carriers, also called Pasi, were produced in the early 1980s
    they shove junk to the ukronatsiks, and that they themselves are not good. Campaign vinaigrette in ukrovoyska still the same!
  5. Thompson
    Thompson 19 September 2022 08: 36
    +4
    Well, to be honest, it’s not clear whether it’s more pleasant to die from the old or what? It would be better if our aircraft turned this junk into scrap in advance!
  6. coinsam
    coinsam 19 September 2022 08: 43
    +1
    However, the trend is worrisome. The flow of heavy weapons has not been stopped. The Armed Forces of Ukraine can safely dispose of it, even with benefit, even without benefit for themselves: they will still get a new one!
  7. novel66
    novel66 19 September 2022 08: 44
    +8
    outdated or not - any armor is better than its absence, and the caliber of self-propelled guns is Soviet, there are a lot of shells for them, which means again problems with counter-battery combat
  8. Netomsky
    Netomsky 19 September 2022 08: 51
    +4
    And how long will this continue? Why haven't bridges, power plants, railway junctions, etc. been destroyed yet? Do we still continue to sacrifice our soldiers for the sake of the "fraternal people" in order to save the Ukrainian infrastructure? am
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 09: 04
    +1
    And sho ... "Suzanne" ran out? belay Here it was not necessary to give more pieces in one hand! stop
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 September 2022 09: 07
      +1
      Suzanne 2 has not yet arrived, they are supposed to arrive in the beginning of autumn in a few days - but they will announce it either in 1-2 months or when the soldiers will light up in tik-tok.

      Danes have been coming since April in small batches, as well as Vampires (Czech hail). And not only from the Czech Republic.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 19 September 2022 09: 19
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Suzanne 2 hasn't come yet,

        Hmmm...! But what about the info from August 14:Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first 4 units of the Slovak self-propelled guns "Syuzanna-2" - NATO gold standard 155/52, the equivalent of Caesars, Bogdana, Crabs, and Ferdinands: ? request
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 September 2022 09: 25
          +3
          Well, there is a nuance - training. Although it may have already been physically transferred. Due in early autumn.

          For 52 caliber:
          Caesar
          Crab
          PZ-2000
          Suzanne

          In general, now there is a very large request for 120 mobile systems (and it seems that the first M113s with a 120 mm mortar in the back have either been transferred or are being transferred in a small batch) -155/39 (M109 - the Americans are not giving it yet, but it seems they dug up a few dozen more cars in in addition to the Belgian ones, which were bought by Britain).
          1. Negro
            Negro 19 September 2022 20: 30
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            52 caliber

            Suzanne is like a 45 caliber. But there is Suzanne 2, she has 52.
  10. Voronezh
    Voronezh 19 September 2022 09: 11
    +3
    Old or not, but it shoots at our .....
  11. Tochilka
    Tochilka 19 September 2022 09: 12
    +1
    Soon we will see a photo of the self-propelled guns blown to pieces. Drone Geranium-2. Or trophy.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 September 2022 09: 29
      +7
      But even a year ago, for all these loitering ammunition, they sculpted space cons, with shouts - cartoons, lie, electronic warfare will crush, this is only against bare-ass broads, and not against the army, it’s not necessary - expensive and impractical.

      And as it all turned out, even the Persians turned out to be more perspicacious and more open to innovation.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 19 September 2022 09: 36
        +3
        I suspect that their demand for the assigned work is not at all the same as in the Russian Federation. Hence the result.
  12. Stepnyak
    Stepnyak 19 September 2022 09: 20
    +1
    Didn't they have crossbows lying around in their warehouses?
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 19 September 2022 09: 37
      +3
      They, too, can be customized. I read that American special forces used them in Iraq.
      Even an ordinary slingshot is possible. If you creatively approach the solution of special tasks. I think so ©
  13. Uprun
    Uprun 19 September 2022 09: 36
    +2
    Everything is in ferrous metal, the sooner the better ....
  14. akropin
    akropin 19 September 2022 09: 46
    +1
    Or maybe someone in the know, enlighten me - is there a significant difference in the accuracy of shooting between wheeled and tracked self-propelled guns?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 September 2022 10: 17
      +3
      No difference in accuracy.
      Wheeled ones have higher speed on highways and hard roads, but they get stuck on off-road.
      And caterpillars pass through the fields, but slowly drive along the highway.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 September 2022 10: 28
      +8
      Accuracy depends on the suo, the barrel itself (and its condition), the input data and the projectile, if so.

      The shot stability of the wheeled ones is not inferior to the tracked ones, if you shoot from the supports.


      However, the wheeled ones show themselves well in the format of maneuverable artillery groups-army reserve. A good network of paved roads allows them to wind back and forth for 60-80 km. Whereas caterpillars from such an operation will fall apart very quickly.