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In Russia, the exercises of the forces of the nuclear triad, which have no analogues in the modern history of the country, were held

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In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on Saturday ended exercises of the Strategic Nuclear Forces (SNF).

"On the eve, the order of managing the SNF and combat training launches were carried out under the direct supervision of the Supreme Commander, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin," press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies.

"In particular, combat training launches of strategic and cruise missiles were conducted, which hit conditional targets at various military test sites," the spokesman said.

According to D. Peskov, "under the personal leadership of V. Putin, the automatic communications control system was checked, as well as new strategic nuclear forces control algorithms with the practical development of combat training tasks operating according to the unified design of all components of the nuclear triad: long-range aircraft aviation, marine and land components of strategic nuclear forces. "

"The Supreme Commander highly appreciated the actions of the crews and crews, the work of the General Staff, who completed all the tasks and confirmed the reliability and effectiveness of the Russian nuclear triad," D.Peskov said.

He stressed that "the command exercises of the Strategic Nuclear Forces on such a scale in the most recent stories Russia held for the first time.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 21 October 2012 12: 38
    +41
    Not for the sake of fear, but for my confidence in the future.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 21 October 2012 13: 04
      +19
      The beauty! But whiners will whine again, so whiners, kill yourself!)
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 21 October 2012 19: 27
        +3
        Strategic Nuclear Forces (SNF) exercises.

        this is the message: "We will show them the strategic nuclear forces!" (where crayfish hibernate)
    2. ughhh
      ughhh 21 October 2012 13: 25
      +9
      Schaub did not linger ...
    3. Skiff
      Skiff 21 October 2012 13: 30
      +7
      A strong headline, I put a plus. As I understand it, the most delicious remained behind the scenes, eh more detail wink
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 21 October 2012 14: 59
        +24
        Quote: Skiff
        eh more in detail would

        They write a little, but one analogy is visible.
        "On October 2012, 13.12, from the Plesetsk cosmodrome at 12 Moscow time, a combat training launch of the RS-XNUMXM intercontinental ballistic missile was carried out," Topol, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry on the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel Vadim Koval, told reporters.
        The approximate distance from "Plesetsk" to the Kamchatka training ground "Kura", where the conditional target is located - 6 thousand kilometers, - said the colonel. The combat training unit of the missile hit the target on the Kura with high accuracy. "The objectives of this launch were to confirm the stability of the main flight characteristics of missiles of this class during the period of operation extended to 24 years and to assess the possibility of extending the service life by 25 years," the Defense Ministry spokesman said.
        "The crews of strategic missile carriers, having taken off from the Engels airfield, completed a number of tasks along the flight route: they worked out a flight over an orientationless terrain and launched four cruise missiles at the Pemboy training ground (Komi Republic)," the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said. He added that Tu-160, Tu-95 aircraft from the Engels air base (Saratov region) were involved. The long-range aviation crews were in the air for about 15 hours. "All the air weapons released from the Tu-160 and Tu-95 planes reached their target," said a representative of the Russian Defense Ministry.
        "On October XNUMX, at the Pemboy training ground, located in the Komi Republic, the capabilities of the newest Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile-gun systems to intercept real cruise missiles were tested for the first time. the tasks were practiced only with the use of training targets-simulators of cruise missiles, "the press service said.
        The ministry noted that the launch of the cruise missile was carried out by the crew of the Tu-95MS long-range aviation bomber at a target located at a distance of 800 kilometers. The Pantsir-S combat crews hit the target with two missiles and prevented the destruction of the covered object, which was the administrative building on the territory of the test site.
        On Friday, October 19, the nuclear submarine K-433 Saint George the Victorious of the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Navy carried out a combat training launch of the R-29R intercontinental ballistic missile, a Russian navy official said. According to the source, " Chizha in the Arkhangelsk region. The head of the rocket arrived at the appointed time at the test site. This rocket launch was the first since the beginning of this year. The test was carried out to confirm the technical characteristics of the ICBM and the submarine itself.
        Something reminds "Shield -82" June 14, 1982 in the Soviet Union. In the Western media, these maneuvers, which shocked the NATO military to the core, were viciously called the "seven-hour nuclear war." Within seven hours (hence the unofficial name of the exercise, so beloved by everyone), the Soviet Union launched three space launch vehicles, two ground-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, one sea-based ballistic missile, one medium-range ballistic missile, and two anti-missiles ” .
        1. Civil
          Civil 21 October 2012 22: 29
          +3
          to SHIELD-82, as to Marshall stars, then everything was new, but still the teachings are beautiful
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 21 October 2012 23: 00
            +3
            Quote: Civil
            but the teachings are wonderful

            It would be nice to stir up the analogue of Operation Behemoth, check if there are still missiles in the multiple launch rocket launchers ...
            1. Civil
              Civil 22 October 2012 08: 16
              0
              Kaa,
              it’s an expensive pleasure, and the boats are again not new ..
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 October 2012 13: 58
      +6
      Yesterday, only in the comments wrote "Trida worked well"
    5. edge
      edge 21 October 2012 15: 07
      +4
      see the goats too much pressure (blackmail .......... mother ihu), we are again too close to the war ........
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 October 2012 17: 15
      +5
      I beg your pardon, gentlemen, I am here between you and a little off topic. Bek, when you come to the website, read the news from Libya, in which, according to you, democracy reigned. One "Terran" seems to have been hanged for such a thing ....... .................................................. ...............
      .................................................. ............. New Libyan authorities "reassure" dissatisfied with chemical weapons
      In Libya, bloodshed continues. For more than two weeks, pro-government armed groups have been besieging Gaddafi's former stronghold - Beni Walid. According to the local hospital, against the inhabitants of the city, chemical weapons were used.
  2. erased
    erased 21 October 2012 12: 46
    +4
    Contingent goals on other continents hit? That's good! Now I would not miss in real life.
    1. Septugian
      Septugian 21 October 2012 12: 47
      +7
      Do not miss!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 October 2012 13: 20
      +8
      Quote: erased
      Contingent goals on other continents hit?

      Do not miss, and here, something similar to the deepest regret can be seen (for the last time in life) by the inhabitants of Fashington. It hurts democracy, so pushing the world to such an end.
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 21 October 2012 16: 14
        -10
        Not only residents of Washington, but also Moscow, St. Petersburg, Murmansk ..... Vasyukov, etc.
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 21 October 2012 17: 38
          +16
          Quote: homosum20
          Not only residents of Washington, but also Moscow, St. Petersburg, Murmansk ..... Vasyukov, etc.

          ..... I’ll make a little correction ... can I?
          As soon as our dear "partners" in capitalist construction
          from the city of Fashington they will calculate that the Russian nuclear triad is an empty, rusty tin can .... You are lightning fast (although perhaps hoping to sit in what catacombs?) and I and ALL the population of Russia will see nuclear flashes with my own eyes ...... ..and will not become ours with you (for someone beloved, but despised for liberals) of the Motherland-Russia .......... I AM immensely and UNLIMITED that the legacy of the Soviet Union --- allows several thousand time to destroy ALL living things on this planet (in connection with which the Russians are -150 lyam, not 5 lyam, as the owners of the world from small Britain and pin-dos-tan wish !!!) .......
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 21 October 2012 19: 32
            0
            No, it's better that the Americans play Metro 2033 in real life.
          2. Retx
            Retx 22 October 2012 16: 15
            0
            in 1993 all our aircraft were empty, but didn’t attack? so what?
            1. iCuD
              iCuD 22 October 2012 16: 48
              0
              Do you remind us how many charges we had then in service? huh (actually this is the answer)
              1. kabud
                kabud 27 October 2012 01: 09
                -3
                the USSR had over 50 which exceeded the US and NATO

                but the peoples of the USSR hated the scoop and the scoop leadership knew very well

                that to fight with NATO is like Brezhnev, andropov and the rest to be hanged by their own subjects

                and now the same thing

                the remains of Leninists, all those Putin and Primakov with the Stepashin dogs, with her mother are also on the list, and those who are smaller -

                waiting for exactly the same thing: they will kindle, play out

                The Russian people will catch and outweigh them
        2. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 23 October 2012 22: 17
          0
          homosum20,
          It was Washington, and then the entire western eunuchzone.
        3. homosum20
          homosum20 8 November 2012 19: 39
          0
          No, people, I, after these minuses, I think that you live in confidence that the stick has one end. I’ll tell you a secret - there are two of them.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 21 October 2012 20: 49
        +4
        Alexander Romanov,

        No! This is just: Bully = E2 - E4. Black's move: ........................... Time has gone!

        There is a suspicion that the US Army-decomposed!
        Nothing is ruining the army better than the consciousness of its invincibility! Consciousness that there is no worthy adversary!
        So I want to!
    3. Nick
      Nick 21 October 2012 14: 29
      +10
      Quote: erased
      That's good! Now I would not miss in real life.

      It would be good if it didn’t come to that ...
    4. crazyrom
      crazyrom 21 October 2012 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Now I would not miss in real life.

      Impossible to miss a missile, + - 500 meters do not give much difference laughing
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 October 2012 22: 51
        +5
        crazyrom,

        CVO (round probable deviation) -200m. However, everyone is up to the lantern, because Topol’s 550-kiloton charge is able to cut this White House, falling even a few kilometers from it. Love Russia, bhhh!

        Oh, missile-rocket,
        Ballistic round,
        Circling the whole planet
        You are not flying at random
  3. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 21 October 2012 12: 48
    +12
    Today, the states and Israel conduct air defense and missile defense exercises, so our exercises are very necessary)))) we let Western siskis understand that if we let them light them up for the most ....
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 October 2012 12: 53
    +8
    well and good. The "nuclear suitcase" works, so while we live. we also need a computer model with the defeat of the main "friends" of Russia and in the Internet, so that politicians in the West get a spell
  5. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 21 October 2012 12: 55
    +15
    Our missile launchers, like their weapons, are considered one of the best in the world, not like the United States. Well done guys worked for five +.
    1. Nick
      Nick 21 October 2012 14: 33
      +12
      Quote: Yuri11076
      Our missiles, like their weapons, are considered one of the best in the world.

      It's nice to hear that he himself served in the Strategic Missile Forces, but I have to correct you, the whole triad of strategic nuclear forces of Russia worked, and these are not only missile launchers, but also aviators and sailors! Glory to them all!
      1. Yuri11076
        Yuri11076 21 October 2012 23: 54
        +1
        Nick,
        I admit, I did not mention aviators and sailors. All well done !!!
  6. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 21 October 2012 12: 56
    +6
    Rather, they would develop and adopt a new liquid ....
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 21 October 2012 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: B_KypTke
      Rather, they would have developed and adopted a new liquid ..

      And one more thing will not hurt; "Research work is underway to create combat railway missile systems in Russia, but the final decision on them has not been made," Colonel Vadim Koval, an official spokesman for the press service and information of the Russian Defense Ministry on Strategic Missile Forces, said on Friday. "As the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev said earlier, work is underway on the possible creation of a combat railway missile system, but the final decision on it has not been made," Koval said in connection with the 25th anniversary of the entry into combat on Friday the watch of the first missile regiment with combat railway missile systems, Interfax reports. Recall that according to the START-2 treaty of 1993, Russia had to remove from service all RT-23UTTKh missiles (strategic missile systems of mobile railroad-based systems) until 2003. In at that time Russia had three divisions (in Kostroma, Perm and Krasnoyarsk): a total of 12trains with 36 launchers.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 21 October 2012 19: 04
        +1
        As usual. First, we will destroy everything to the ground, and then investing huge amounts of money, we will restore it. And this is in all areas after the so-called reforms and reductions!
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 21 October 2012 19: 34
          +3
          Quote: ramzes1776
          then investing huge amounts of money, we restore.

          Better later than never, and no one asked us about extermination ... But it would be nice for us now to ask those who gave orders for extermination, so many are still alive and fatten ... female dogs ...
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 21 October 2012 21: 58
            +8


            =] everything is not according to plan
        2. Nick
          Nick 22 October 2012 22: 30
          0
          Quote: ramzes1776
          As usual. First, we destroy everything to the ground, and then investing huge amounts of money, we restore

          in this case, you are not quite right. BZHRK removed from the database only after the development of a warranty resource.
          1. SMUTIAN
            SMUTIAN 23 October 2012 21: 55
            0
            One thing, America always has time to deal with Russia. Do not feed bread ....
  7. Director
    Director 21 October 2012 13: 04
    +11
    Learning to fight atomically, M-yes. All the fun and fun to live on our planet. drinks
    1. Nick
      Nick 21 October 2012 14: 38
      +4
      Quote: director
      Learning to fight atomically, M-yes. All the fun and fun to live on our planet

      They also noticed ... So I am led to some thoughts by such a high intensity of military activity, moreover, the NATO members started the same thing ... Why would ...?
      1. Region65
        Region65 21 October 2012 15: 28
        +2
        Well, after all, the Nanai Maya ordered everyone to die in December 2012 and they are getting ready to perform ....
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 21 October 2012 16: 15
          +11
          Quote: Region65
          Nanai Maya ordered everyone to die in December 2012

          The amendment, the Maya prediction had to do with their area of ​​residence, that is, America ... who is against it, if it is predicted ... you cannot get away from fate and "Poplar" ...
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 36
      +10
      It is better to conduct atomic exercises three times than once locally fight conventional weapons.
    3. escobar
      escobar 21 October 2012 16: 50
      +7
      Nuclear weapons kept the world after World War II. And now Russia has demonstrated that the world has something to hold on to. The truth of the United States is trying to level the strength of Russia's nuclear triad in three ways.
      1 Creating a global missile defense.
      2 Destabilization and, as a result, tore Russia inside out.
      3 Pulling Russia into the new US centers of conflict created by the USA. (Including China)
      And all these challenges need an adequate response and action.
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 21 October 2012 19: 36
      0
      Quote: director
      Learning to fight atomic

      We restore the automatism of skills, rather ... drinks For skills ... you won’t drink skill!
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 21 October 2012 22: 01
        +6
        all due to the fact that the Russian Federation is getting out of US control

        • nationalize the ruble
        • returning sovereignty

        1. klavyr
          klavyr 22 October 2012 22: 38
          0
          on zomboyaschik not see this good
          1. SMUTIAN
            SMUTIAN 23 October 2012 21: 53
            0
            Simple, not real ... yes
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 24 October 2012 13: 21
              0
              Fedorov handsome. And as if you should not look at the bureaucrat, he was an officer in Afghanistan, so he should be pleasant to the contingent of the site
  8. wolk71
    wolk71 21 October 2012 13: 11
    +5
    If possible, exercises should be carried out more often, so that those who wish to experience the full power of Russian weapons would not appear at all.
  9. nokki
    nokki 21 October 2012 13: 14
    +7
    Yes, everything goes to that: the Americans stubbornly provoke a new world war. I wonder what their belief is based on that they will remain intact.
    1. biglow
      biglow 21 October 2012 13: 17
      +7
      nokki,
      Americans hope for bundles of cut paper. Forgetting that a donkey loaded with gold was not always open the doors of fortresses
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 October 2012 14: 14
      +7
      Quote: nokki
      I wonder what their belief is based on that they will remain intact.

      Not long ago, Obama dug himself a new bunker under the White House. The main thing is to save his asses. And they can spit on ordinary citizens. Yes, and we have a better situation in the civil defense sector, there is only one option - in taigu hi Fucking politicians derail all plans recourse Eh
    3. Region65
      Region65 21 October 2012 15: 30
      +3
      funny ... just read your question, the "Picture of the Day" window and the first heading "Degradation of the US elite and its consequences ...")))))))
    4. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 38
      +7
      It seems to me that they are based on the schizoid type of thinking of their politicians and delusional conclusions that for some inexplicable reason the American soldier will not be defeated only due to the fact that he was crowned the most invincible.
      It is necessary to finish them (((
      1. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 21 October 2012 17: 55
        +3
        Quote: Bashkaus
        It is necessary to finish them ((

        Cham soon -Theme better ..... But I hope that within the next year in a pin-to-start these --nigery iposhit white, white-niggas, and Latinos of both ... Empire "good" .. ..--- will collapse ... just like all other empires ... under the pressure of a morally decaying, absolutely soulless consumer society ...
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 21 October 2012 20: 50
          0
          At one time I had some creative ideas to help "partners" but I just don't know English, but I would gladly "burn with a verb of the heart" on American forums I'm certainly not Eisenstein, I'm just learning)))

          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 52
            0
            Seryozha, you are doing pretty well here too soldier
          2. Karish
            Karish 21 October 2012 20: 56
            0
            They have their own swamps laughing
          3. kenvas
            kenvas 22 October 2012 18: 29
            0
            I will be happy to help with the translation !!!
  10. Hey
    Hey 21 October 2012 13: 25
    +16
    What I like about our commander-in-chief is that he does not consider it shameful for himself to take part in the training. Especially in one where he is the main link of the entire triad of strategic nuclear forces, namely, "the owner of the nuclear briefcase." So this kind of training is also needed by the big ranks.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 21 October 2012 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: MUD
      he does not consider it shameful to take part in the training.

      It's not for you to brew beer in the White House ... Maybe Obama's survival courses are taking place, his wife plants vegetable gardens around the residence, her husband brews beer ... they will not be lost if "Poplar" falls on his head ... laughing
    2. oleq197429
      oleq197429 21 October 2012 16: 46
      +3
      it was necessary to show the Turks and Jews from the Mediterranean Sea
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 October 2012 17: 03
        +7
        Quote: oleq197429
        it was necessary to shoot from the Mediterranean Sea

        And cho from Srezidemnogo, then right away directly from the Hudson, will be a hundred times more effective, I answer laughing
        1. Yasen Ping
          Yasen Ping 21 October 2012 19: 21
          0
          If anything, our submarine was with them, it seems that it’s just in the Hudson))) I can confuse them, but in their river for sure, they got sharper there)) ... which is the saddest thing, then the commander of this boat began to live in the United States (((
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 29
            +2
            This is a common marine tale. Hudson is the territorial waters of the United States, and if it were found there, the scandal would be at least grand, and the maximum would be drowned there.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 22 October 2012 01: 07
              0
              If anything, our submarine was with them, it seems just in the Hudson)))

              Atrina's retelling ...
              the maximum there would have been sunk.

              And what did you do with the Kursk?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 22 October 2012 01: 09
                0
                I do not want to be like our guarantor. I hope you remember that he answered Larry King.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 22 October 2012 01: 11
          0
          But Cho from Srezidemnogo, Todl immediately right from the Hudson

          Since when did SLBMs from a submarine take off at an angle ????
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 22 October 2012 01: 14
            0
            probably 2 or 3 seconds of flight are captured here.
  11. NEMO
    NEMO 21 October 2012 13: 32
    +7
    Given the situation in the world - very timely exercises! That would be to conduct them regularly.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 21 October 2012 13: 45
      +3
      I agree with you, although this is a very expensive pleasure! Save on defense is not necessary!
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 42
        +3
        I won’t drink for a week! (getting 150 rubles from a feed for a couple of liters of kerasin for Tu160)))
    2. edge
      edge 21 October 2012 15: 13
      +7
      Yes, combine with the speedy march of rifle brigades to the border ........... The West will immediately remember the smelly Middle Ages, when everyone was trimmed. soldier
  12. Klingenberg
    Klingenberg 21 October 2012 13: 38
    +6
    Very, very timely teachings
  13. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 21 October 2012 13: 45
    +8
    “In general, assessing the current state of Russia's strategic nuclear forces, it should be said that, taking into account the pogrom perpetrated by the Russian Armed Forces as a whole in the Yeltsin 90s, the state of Russia's strategic nuclear forces should be recognized as fully combat-ready. by 2020, the state of strategic nuclear forces will be on high alert. " JUST WOULD NOT BECOME THE FUNDS DEPLOYED!

    The United States remains a country with gigantic military power, which we still have to reckon with.
    However, the United States is not the only country in the world possessing strategic nuclear weapons. This is the only country except Russia that has a nuclear triad. But for the sake of completeness, the potential of the strategic nuclear forces of the three leading nuclear powers should be taken into account: China, Great Britain and France. This is necessary because this potential can be used in the event of the start of a world thermonuclear war on one side or another and, accordingly, to a greater or lesser extent affect the outcome of such a war. And the very threat of the use of nuclear weapons by these three countries is also an auxiliary, but still a factor in world politics.
    It should be noted that in the event of the outbreak of a large-scale war in Europe, France does not necessarily enter the war on the side of the United States and NATO, although it is now part of the NATO military organization and may try to evade participation in hostilities, especially with the use of nuclear weapons, in Unlike Great Britain, which is sure to enter the war on the side of the United States.

    Given all this, our country still needs to strengthen and strengthen its Armed Forces, and in the first place the strategic nuclear forces.
    1. Karish
      Karish 21 October 2012 13: 50
      -5
      Quote: AleksUkr
      This is the only country except Russia that has a nuclear triad.

      In general, England, France, Israel (according to intelligence), China, India along the way. If you understand what is meant by the term - a triad.
      Quote: AleksUkr
      that this potential can be used in the event of a world thermonuclear war on one side or another and, accordingly, to a greater or lesser extent affect the outcome of such a war.

      If there is a thermonuclear war, there will be no winners.
      Quote: AleksUkr
      It should be noted that in the event of the outbreak of a large-scale war in Europe, France does not necessarily enter the war on the side of the United States and NATO,

      Well, well, on whose side will she speak?
      Quote: AleksUkr
      especially with nuclear weapons,

      Baby talk.
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 21 October 2012 14: 20
        +7
        Something I have not heard about the presence of submarine missile carriers, intercontinental missiles and long-range aviation in Israel, this applies equally to all countries except Russia and the United States. Triad - a complex of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles.
        1. snek
          snek 21 October 2012 14: 48
          +4
          Quote: arkady149
          This applies to all countries except Russia and the United States. Triad - a complex of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles.

          China has ground (both mine, and mobile soil) complexes:

          There are submarines with ballistic missiles (type 94 and type 92)

          And there are strategic N-6K bombers (deep modernization of the Tu-16).

          In addition, both France and England have ballistic missile submarines (such as "Le Triomphant" and "vanguard", respectively), and both countries have aircraft modifications (mirage and tornado, respectively) capable of carrying nuclear weapons.
          So formally in the world there are 5 countries with a nuclear triad
          1. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 48
            +5
            Well, formally, maybe yes, but you yourself think how many kilotons a mirage can take us to yourself? This is a children's sandbox with tactical nuclear weapons. Adult uncles plant megaton cones, sometimes they even put it in their pants from their own inventions, when the blast wave around the earth several times bypasses (((
            1. snek
              snek 21 October 2012 16: 58
              +1
              Quote: Bashkaus
              how many kilotons can a mirage take us away?

              Mirage combat load - up to 4 tons. For example, the American atomic bomb B83 (1983 - put into service) has a capacity of up to 1.2 megatons. This is quite enough to destroy the bulk of the city of a millionaire.
              1. Bashkaus
                Bashkaus 21 October 2012 21: 00
                0
                I apologize, I flared up a bit, did not think about the fact that mirages can be loaded on the most neat and used as a "booster" in one direction. If you put a dozen or two in the direction of Moscow, maybe someone will break through))
            2. Karish
              Karish 21 October 2012 18: 15
              0
              Quote: Bashkaus
              Well, formally, maybe yes, but you yourself think how many kilotons a mirage can take us to yourself?

              First of all, what is a mirage? There is a strategic bomber - "Mirage" GU.
              And kilotons, what kind of nonsense is this, what is sausage by weight? So on Mriya, you can load half of the country's nuclear weapons.
              Quote: Bashkaus
              Adult uncles plant megaton cones, sometimes they even put in their pants from their own inventions

              Look at the performance characteristics of this 100mgt bomb and weight. I wonder which plane will be able to drag it, and throw it over the target?
        2. pavlo007
          pavlo007 21 October 2012 14: 59
          +4
          Why do Jews need intercontinental missiles? Native US wash off the face of the earth?
          And so they have a full triad for their tasks - submarines with cruise missiles, medium-range missiles, aircraft capable of delivering nuclear weapons to where they need to.
          Russia, after all, also does not need to deliver nuclear strikes on the moon, and such missiles are not on duty.
          The point is not in the show-offs, but in the fact that the means would correspond to the goals.
        3. Karish
          Karish 21 October 2012 18: 09
          -1
          Quote: arkady149

          I didn’t hear something about Israel’s presence of submarine missile carriers, intercontinental missiles and long-range aviation,

          1. Missiles Jericho2 (mine launch) range up to 8t.km
          2. F-15 and F-16 I, of course not the 160, but they are carriers of nuclear weapons, and they are completely suitable for our theater of operations.
          3. Cruise missiles (launching from * Dolphin * class submarines * (torpedo tubes with a diameter of 650 mm), 5 diesel-electric missiles are available.

          Quote: arkady149
          Triad - nuclear weapons delivery system

          Here I am about that.
          1. mar.tira
            mar.tira 21 October 2012 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: Karish
            Here I am about that.

            Israel has a stronger weapon! Nobody can handle it
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 21 October 2012 19: 15
              +11
              Our Russian is much more effective and efficient! smile
              1. mar.tira
                mar.tira 21 October 2012 19: 20
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                more effective and efficient!

                Not even discussed! good good good
                1. Ruswolf
                  Ruswolf 21 October 2012 21: 09
                  +3
                  Not even discussed


                  And also there is
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 October 2012 21: 13
                    0
                    You can comment as follows: Horses are over, KAMAZ remained laughing
                  2. Kaa
                    Kaa 21 October 2012 23: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruswolf
                    And also there is

                    And this is our weapon of mass destruction 70 years ago. In general, I always guessed that beauty is a great power and that it will one day save the world peace ... laughing
                2. sleepy
                  sleepy 22 October 2012 00: 15
                  +1
                  There is life in the old dog yet.
              2. Karish
                Karish 21 October 2012 20: 10
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                Our Russian is much more effective and efficient!

                Only now she did not serve in the army, but nothing.

                Quote: Wax
                No, Jewish women are not figured: priests are flat, legs are straight. They will be ignored, i.e. just will not notice.

                https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C
                & hl = ru & rlz = 1C1ARAB_enIL468IL471 & prmd = imvns & tbm = isch & tbo = u & source = univ & sa = X & ei = jB
                -EUImlN9TI0AXX_YCgBA&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=839
                And envy silently
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 21 October 2012 20: 14
                  +3
                  Well, excuse me. For me, girls have nothing to do in the army. It is not their business, muzzles to beat, shoot and destroy everything that moves.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 15
                    +3
                    golden words soldier +++++++++++ Interestingly, it started as usual with nuclear weapons, and ended as usual with women. bully
                  2. DIMS
                    DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 19
                    +1
                    Exactly. Not further than the front part.
                  3. Karish
                    Karish 21 October 2012 20: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak

                    Well, excuse me. For me, girls have nothing to do in the army. It’s not their business, muzzles to beat, shoot and destroy everything that moves

                    In my opinion it’s the same, but you won’t throw words out of the song, so our girls also serve in the combat units as ship captains and pilots.
                    Unfortunately, you will not drag men into the army.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 29
                      0
                      Sasha, at first you didn’t have to kick the men out of the army, bringing them to the level of cattle and cattle, remember the perestroika frenzy when officers were embarrassed to appear on the street in uniform ...
                      1. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 20: 41
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241

                        Sasha, at first you didn’t have to kick the men out of the army, bringing them to the level of cattle and cattle, remember the perestroika frenzy when officers were embarrassed to appear on the street in uniform.

                        You're right . the army is a section of society. You are human to her. she is the same to you. The army cannot be outside of society, without criticism and without control. The soldier must know his rights, the officer must respect and respect them.
                        The Israeli army has a lot to learn about relations between soldiers and officers.
                        An example from life.
                        Denis, nephew, served already 2.5 years out of 3. His father and I are sitting like this, celebrating something. Here on the weekend * the military man returns from the army, all tense and gloomy.
                        Well, we are already in a good mood,
                        - Sergeant come here, fell down, wrung out what is
                        He (serves in the Air Force, the barracks - rooms for 2, 3, a TV set, a DVD, a shower) says his friend is demobilized, they must add some kind of spirit to him (in our concept), + so he doesn’t know what to do, suddenly he (the spirit) will interfere with him in every way, listen to music loudly or smoke in the room
                        Well, we him, you like what. he is a spirit, must rustle, let the room clean and wash socks. it is supposed to be of type according to the service life.
                        To which they received an answer that led us into a complete stupor.
                        Denis (at first not cutting at all about what we are talking about) says, but what is he (the spirit) to blame for, that his mother later gave birth?
                        And thank God that it is (IN THE IDF) so. laughing
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 46
                        +1
                        Sasha, I believe, and thank God ......... soldier
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 21 October 2012 20: 33
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, you will not drag men into the army.

                      I don’t know the statistics on the draft at this moment, but what I see on the street sometimes - what kind of soldiers are needed .... Zombies - I tried my best, a generation of ignoramuses, burners, etc. has grown up. I really hope that they will be pulled there with the renewal of the Army. And not those who could not enter the university, but those who want to do this professionally.
                      1. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 21: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        but what I see on the street sometimes - what for these soldiers are needed

                        Are there others? In general, what can a soldier be taught in a year? Our girls serve twice as much, some kind of nonsense., Guys 3 years old and this is not in special forces. There is a young fighter's course there for a year and eight, plus a subscription for another 3 years of service. And then a year, and everything is just Superman, all in orders, accelerants and stripes.
                        What can be taught? Such an army is definitely an empty place.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 21: 06
                        0
                        Sasha in a year can be taught to beat off the cantick on the bed, and to scrub the copper. Sad humor came out ..........
                      3. sasha.28blaga
                        sasha.28blaga 22 October 2012 06: 03
                        0
                        In different parts in different ways. In some, there is an afternoon rest (sleep time), but suddenly there is no time to go to the toilet, all the time it takes to study.
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 06: 05
                        0
                        If so, then at least one good news.
                      5. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 21: 08
                        0
                        Well, maybe dig a trench. But others seem to be there.
                      6. Ruswolf
                        Ruswolf 22 October 2012 03: 26
                        +1
                        a generation of ignoramus, burners, etc.

                        Denis!
                        The worst thing about everything is ............. That these ignoramuses, burners and refuseniks ............- These are our children and grandchildren. ....... Our generation.
                        ................................................................
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 03: 31
                        0
                        But there are 6 companies, there are guys from Kursk, and many others who faithfully serve the MOTHERLAND! As long as there are such people, nobody will ever break us!
                      8. Ruswolf
                        Ruswolf 23 October 2012 05: 59
                        0
                        Alexander!
                        A very good example!
                        But this also has its own tragedy.
                        One of the leaders of Germany 30-40x spoke
                        - "Every war leads to negative selection, while positive selection dies."
                        In other words - The best die on the fronts, while the unworthy (opportunists, cowards, and other rabble) remain in the rear, hold positions in government, in parliaments. And there are more and more of them.
                        A whole caste appears, "I don't see, I can't hear, but I'll say something ........."
                        This is a problem of all centuries and peoples, which has practically no solution.
                      9. sasha.28blaga
                        sasha.28blaga 22 October 2012 06: 01
                        0
                        Autumn call 2012 20% of recruits already have higher education.
                      10. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 06: 04
                        0
                        I would like to know where they got .......
                    3. sasha.28blaga
                      sasha.28blaga 22 October 2012 05: 57
                      0
                      Our men are tired of fighting, and your men, yes women, only saw the war in Hollywood films.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 06: 00
                        -1
                        Only the dead survive to the end of the war ..........
                  4. Kaa
                    Kaa 21 October 2012 23: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    For me, girls have nothing to do in the army.

                    What a hate speech! Here is a worthy occupation for a girl in the army.
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa 22 October 2012 00: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Kaa
                      Here is a worthy occupation for a girl in the army.

                      For the one who minus, I will explain; a woman should give birth to people and educate them, and not kill, this is to the extremes, as in the Great Patriotic War. And so ... the Germans are right - Kyuchen, Kinder, und Kirchen, IMHO.
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 22 October 2012 09: 42
                      0
                      Well, actually, when I talk about the army, I don't mean the kitchen. Of course, a woman may well ensure the life of a soldier, but she shouldn’t run with a gun.
                2. escobar
                  escobar 21 October 2012 20: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Karish
                  No, Jewish women are not figured: priests are flat, legs are straight. They will be ignored, i.e. just will not notice.

                  Sarah and Sarah, do not even for nothing))
              3. escobar
                escobar 21 October 2012 20: 18
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                Our Russian is much more effective and efficient!

                Mash and Mash, give Kalash)))
            2. Karish
              Karish 21 October 2012 19: 16
              +2
              Quote: mar.tira
              Israel has a stronger weapon! Nobody can handle it

              Well this is worse than nuclear war. Bare torn hands love
              1. mar.tira
                mar.tira 21 October 2012 19: 22
                +1
                Quote: Karish
                Bare torn hands

                And they will not tear! He looked, and fell! belay belay
                1. Ruswolf
                  Ruswolf 21 October 2012 20: 50
                  0
                  And they will not tear! Looked and fell


                  That's why Obama allowed pend-pend-sits in the army.
                  So as not to look!
            3. Oboz
              Oboz 21 October 2012 19: 53
              0
              Sorry for the girls. If needed!
            4. wax
              wax 21 October 2012 20: 04
              0
              No, Jewish women are not figured: priests are flat, legs are straight. They will be ignored, i.e. just will not notice.
              1. mar.tira
                mar.tira 21 October 2012 20: 21
                0
                Quote: Wax
                They will be ignored

                But how to ignore something? Half of our girls have tea there! They are not to blame for having brought them up like this, to have several Homelands! Nostalgia comes over the years. It is only because of them that it is alarming. Bearded revolutionaries will come to their land!
                1. Karish
                  Karish 21 October 2012 20: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: mar.tira
                  It’s not their fault that they were brought up in this way;

                  Homeland - this is the country that is ready to defend
                  Quote: mar.tira
                  Nostalgia comes over the years.

                  or not. They definitely don't have it. We, the generation that grew up in the USSR, still have them - the homeland of Israel and nostalgia - what is it about?
          2. Diesel
            Diesel 21 October 2012 21: 34
            0
            Quote: Karish
            Jericho 2 was created in the mid-80s. how the development of Jericho-1 missiles. Starting weight 26 tons, has two steps. Range from 1500 km to 3500 km depending on version. Dimensions: 14.0 m in length, 1.56 m in diameter, and can carry a payload of about 1000 kg, according to experts. A series of test launches were carried out from 1987 to 1992. According to press reports, a solid rocket. It is a medium-range missile.


            About what 8t. km in question? laughing laughing
      2. Melchakov
        Melchakov 21 October 2012 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: Karish
        If there is a thermonuclear war, there will be no winners

        It depends on who first presses the button.
        Well, well, on whose side will she speak?

        They will fight with Germany for a united Europe.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 21 October 2012 15: 44
          +2
          Quote: Melchakov

          It depends on who first presses the button.

          Well, yes, and then envy those who did not have time and died immediately and without torment
          1. Melchakov
            Melchakov 21 October 2012 15: 51
            +1
            Quote: lewerlin53rus
            Well, yes, and then envy those who did not have time and died immediately and without torment

            Comrade, the whole joke is that if you quickly destroy all command and administrative centers, as well as at least half of all the armed forces, there may not be a retaliatory strike. And then the introduction of "peacekeeping" troops and the establishment of "democracy".
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 21 October 2012 15: 54
              +2
              Doubtful statement.
              1. snek
                snek 21 October 2012 15: 55
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                Doubtful statement.

                I would even say inadequate.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 October 2012 15: 58
                  +3
                  Emotional, I would say so. Apparently the comrade is not aware of the procedure for using nuclear weapons.
                  1. Melchakov
                    Melchakov 21 October 2012 16: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    comrade not in the know order use of nuclear weapons.

                    What order are you talking about?
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 October 2012 16: 08
                      +1
                      About the forces of a nuclear missile warning, which minimizes the likelihood of a unilateral nuclear strike. And where are you going to bring peacekeepers? To the nuclear ashes?
                      1. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 16: 21
                        0
                        The use of EMP weapons to blind the detection means, attack cruise missiles at the locations of the enemy’s nuclear forces, then a limited nuclear attack. No one sets the task of turning the enemy’s territory into a continuous nuclear desert. On the contrary, it is desirable to preserve unpolluted territories for subsequent exploitation and extraction of resources.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 16: 29
                        +2
                        Look at the launch range of the tomahawks in order to fly to the operational depth of our territory, delivery vehicles must invade our space ... This is already an act of war.
                      3. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 16: 35
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        Well, EMP is just what is needed to blind everything and deprive the enemy of the possibility of coordinating actions.
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 16: 42
                        0
                        Range of action of EM weapons?
                      5. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 01
                        0
                        At an altitude of 400 km with an explosion of 1.5 megatons everything in a radius of 1000 km dies.
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 06
                        +2
                        Take into account the length of our territory, and opposition. And then according to your scenario it turns out: we are in the tail and in the mane, and we sit smoking ...
                      7. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 11
                        +1
                        alex 241,
                        Honestly, I wanted to first talk about the war between China and the USA. The Chinese have few nuclear weapons, and the means of detection and counteraction are not so developed.
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 13
                        +2
                        You can not underestimate the enemy, just one warhead that will fall on the lawn of the White House, that would decrease agility.
                      9. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        just one warhead that will fall on the lawn of the White House

                        And how will she get there? This will entail a full-blown retaliation.
                      10. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 22
                        0
                        This is what our previous discussion was all about. Retribution is inevitable.
                      11. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Retribution is inevitable

                        It depends on how the first blow was delivered. Damn, some kind of vicious circle, now you will start to convince me again.
                      12. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 32
                        0
                        No, just believe me, China has something to answer.
                      13. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 38
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        I don’t argue, but we talked about a preemptive strike on the enemy’s nuclear forces, and given the small number of these nuclear weapons from China (400, against 8500 from the USA), and besides, only 260 warheads are on duty, and the rest intercept SM-3 (if there is something to intercept).
                      14. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 42
                        0
                        Maxim. Will you give a 1000 percent guarantee that at least one warhead does not reach the United States, even in the event of a preemptive strike?
                      15. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 47
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        that at least one warhead will not reach the United States

                        Of course I won’t give it (and I don’t want it not to fly). But the problem is that strikes will have to be carried out at command and administrative centers SIMULTANEOUSLY with strikes at the Nuclear Forces. The whole point is to prevent the enemy from giving orders to attack.
                      16. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 51
                        0
                        When missile launches are detected, there is more than enough time for a return launch.
                      17. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 52
                        -2
                        alex 241,
                        So at the very beginning an EMR explosion must occur in order to blind the means of detection.
                      18. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 17: 55
                        +1
                        Maxim, the delivery vehicle is also a missile, and there are a lot of signs of preparation for striking, do you really think that the opposite side will not bring its troops to wartime readiness.
                      19. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        delivery vehicle same rocket

                        1). The carrier can be made of a civilian rocket, calling it a means of delivery of a satellite for research northern lights anything 2). A rocket can fly from an uncontrolled side (via Tibet for example). 3). The bomb can be thrust into the satellite (s).
                      20. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 03
                        0
                        Not really yours. The trajectories of space objects are easily calculated. And a strategic missile cannot fly in an uncontrolled direction. And changing the satellite’s orbits to enter the combat course is also not so simple.
                      21. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 05
                        0
                        Further, following your logic, you worked out a certain area of ​​China with this rocket. And?
                      22. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 12
                        -1
                        alex 241,
                        And further the attack on the positions of the Nuclear Forces and the Administrative and Command Centers.
                      23. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 13
                        0
                        And in return will not be afraid?
                      24. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 21
                        0
                        1). The number of nuclear warheads on duty at China is 260, a preemptive strike will destroy most of them, 2) if the remainder takes off, it will be small enough to be intercepted, 3). where will the order to strike back come from?
                      25. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 24
                        -1
                        You reason at the level of the student who read a lot of fantastic literature.
                      26. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        science fiction

                        Not fond of fiction.
                      27. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        Not fond of fiction.

                        Then tell me where you can buy such a thing, which would also be buggy wassat
                      28. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 42
                        0
                        Sasha, don’t scatter the guy, he expressed his opinion, even if it’s worthy of respect, knowledge is a bargain ...
                      29. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 51
                        +1
                        Karish,
                        You would only, hmm, to buggy.
                      30. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        You would only, hmm, to buggy.

                        Yes-a-a-a-a-and preferably as much.
                      31. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 25
                        +1
                        Maxim, such a scenario is provided, the system will work in automatic mode.
                      32. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 17: 57
                        +2
                        You are exaggerating the potential of EMR to cause damage.
                      33. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 01
                        0
                        Moreover, a double-edged sword, you can just as well blind your orbital group, and all this is a miracle weapon, nothing more than an advertising zilch. The battle laser was also put on a Boeing ...
                      34. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 17: 56
                        0
                        It is impossible to fulfill all this essence. Early detection radars will notice flying missiles, if earlier, even at launch, the satellites would not notice them. Already in 10 minutes the recipients will fly. And then life (or rather most of it) on Earth will remain a matter of minutes.
                      35. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Early detection radars will notice flying missiles, if earlier, even at launch, they will not be noticed by satellites

                        Well, if the EMP bomb hangs in space next to the target?
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        And then life (or rather most of it) on Earth will remain a matter of minutes.

                        This is nothing more than a NATO horror story.
                      36. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 12
                        0
                        Well, if the EMP bomb hangs in space next to the target?

                        How do you imagine that? And what exactly is an EMP bomb? Nuclear explosion in space? Yes, over-the-horizon radio communication will die for a while, so what? Do you really think that Voronezh-type radars are not designed for this?
                        This is nothing more than a NATO horror story.

                        Why?
                      37. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        And what exactly is an EMP bomb?

                        Let's say several satellites with EMR bombs hanging somewhere near the target.
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Radar type "Voronezh"

                        We are talking about China.
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Why?

                        Somehow I will post an article here (I will try in the near future).
                      38. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        Let's say several satellites with EMR bombs hanging somewhere near the target.
                        Quote: Wedmak

                        Like a cow at a neighbor’s fence.
                        The satellites dangling at the target, uh said so said.
                      39. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 34
                        0
                        Let's say several satellites with EMR bombs hanging somewhere near the target.

                        Satellites do not hang out, they fly in orbits. If you put the satellite into geostationary orbit, its height above the earth will be such that a nuclear explosion, the source of electromagnetic radiation, will be useless.
                        We are talking about China.

                        Yes, I didn’t notice, I apologize.
                        Somehow I will post an article here (I will try in the near future).

                        http://zhurnal.lib.ru/d/doronin_a_a/nuclearwinter.shtml - это? Как вы понимаете, это тоже теории. Как и ядерная зима. Но что-то не хотелось бы проверять эти теории на практике. Будет уничтожено множество людей, технологий, производств и т.п. Мы откатимся по пути прогресса на сотню лет назад, как минимум.
                      40. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Satellites do not hang out, they fly in orbits

                        I agree, I’ve made a mistake here, but you can plan the orbit of the movement so that they are in the right place at the right time.
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        http://zhurnal.lib.ru/d/doronin_a_a/nuclearwinter.shtml

                        Something link you have is extremist.
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        We will follow the path of progress a hundred years ago, at least

                        Well, not a hundred, say 50 years, but the progress itself will stop for many years.
                      41. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 47
                        0
                        I agree, I’ve made a mistake here, but you can plan the orbit of the movement so that they are in the right place at the right time.

                        It is possible, but for the right satellite to be at the right time over the right place, you need either a lot of them, or wait for this moment. Which, as you understand, does not quite correspond to the element of surprise.

                        Nevertheless, do you agree that there will be a nuclear winter or not - are these theories? But the destruction of heaps of people, nature, and thousands of square kilometers that are not suitable for living for the next 100 years - is it a fact? And 50 of years is ooooooc very optimistic.
                      42. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Nevertheless, do you agree that there will be a nuclear winter or not - are these theories?

                        This is the theory that took place at the time of its appearance (given the number of nuclear weapons and the average power of ammunition).
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        But the destruction of a bunch of people, nature, and thousands of square kilometers that are not suitable for living for the next 100 years - is it a fact?

                        I do not exclude it.
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        And 50 years is ooooooc very optimistic.

                        I’m generally an optimist by nature. bully

                        Quote: Wedmak
                        It is possible, but for the right satellite to be at the right time over the right place, you need either a lot of them, or wait for this moment. Which, as you understand, does not quite correspond to the element of surprise.

                        But still possible.
                      43. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 18: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        It is possible, but for the right satellite to be at the right time over the right place, you need either a lot of them, or wait for this moment. Which, as you understand, does not quite correspond to the element of surprise.

                        But still possible.

                        Material costs + energy costs + time + many unforeseen factors .... A very dubious idea.
                      44. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 53
                        0
                        Maxim, a change in the satellite’s spatial position, or orbital maneuver, is a very energy-consuming event that requires high fuel consumption, figuratively speaking, your satellite will be a flying fuel tank.
                      45. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        will be a flying fuel tank

                        ... well, actually the bomb.
                        As for delivery vehicles, shuttles can do it, but no one can know for sure that the US has no top secret shuttle.
                        I wonder what transport options the XB-37 has.
                      46. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 04
                        0
                        I will upset you payload 900kg
                      47. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 19: 08
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        Thank you.
                      48. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 19: 16
                        0
                        Shuttles no longer fly, and the X-37 is an interesting, but still experimental device. With the same limitations as satellites.
                      49. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 18
                        0
                        Very reminiscent of our SPIRAL project.
                      50. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 19: 19
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        Well, as you would like, we have 90 left a lot of things to the west.
                      51. sleepy
                        sleepy 22 October 2012 00: 30
                        0

                        Quote: Alex 241
                        "Very similar to our SPIRAL project"


                        "Project" Spiral "(OKB-155)
                        In the early 60s, the OKB-155 of the State Committee for Aviation Technology (GKAT), under the leadership of A.I. Mikoyan, began researching combined aerospace systems combining the features of aircraft and missiles. In 1965, a work plan on the "Spiral" theme and a preliminary design of the system were signed. Deputy chief designer G.E. Lozino-Lozinsky was appointed head of the project.
                        The main goal of the Spiral program was to create a manned orbital aircraft (OS) for performing applied tasks in space, as well as for ensuring the possibility of regular and safe transportation along the Earth-orbit-Earth route.
                        http://www.airbase.ru/books/authors/rus/a/afanasiev-i-b/unknown_spaceships/4/
                      52. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 22 October 2012 09: 44
                        0
                        By the way, for the first time just on the Spiral, that same black recognizable belly and nose appeared. It is there that the greatest thermal and physical stresses when entering the atmosphere.
                      53. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        I agree, I’ve made a mistake here, but you can plan the orbit of the movement so that they are in the right place at the right time.

                        only the time of the year and a half before this must be determined laughing
                      54. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Maxim. Will you give a 1000 percent guarantee that at least one warhead does not reach the United States, even in the event of a preemptive strike?

                        Let us first determine whether there are prerequisites for the US-CHINA war.
                      55. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 18: 23
                        0
                        Alexander, I was just offered a script, I commented on it.
                      56. sasha.28blaga
                        sasha.28blaga 22 October 2012 06: 09
                        0
                        But will this answer be adequate.
                      57. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 06: 11
                        0
                        Read a little higher, as they say: one tablet is enough ........
                      58. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        Honestly, I wanted to first talk about the war between China and the USA. The Chinese have few nuclear weapons, and the means of detection and counteraction are not so developed.

                        Talk better with mom about the lessons for tomorrow.
                      59. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 18: 40
                        0
                        Karish,
                        Comrade, I did not insult you.
                      60. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        Comrade, I did not insult you.

                        Yes, I am the same. just maybe unsuccessfully hinted about age?
                      61. snek
                        snek 21 October 2012 16: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        The use of EMP weapons to dazzle detection tools,

                        EMP is not a magic wand and just like that, all means of detection cannot be disabled.
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        On the contrary, it is desirable to preserve unpolluted territories for subsequent exploitation and extraction of resources.

                        And this is the main reason the States will not attack us - we are already selling resources as fast as possible (the first for gas exports and the second for oil). The maintenance of the occupying forces will be ten times more expensive than the purchase of resources in peace. Plus, the probability of a retaliatory strike is more than real.
                      62. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 16: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: snek
                        all detection tools cannot be disabled.

                        Well, most.
                      63. snek
                        snek 21 October 2012 17: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        all detection tools cannot be disabled.
                        And all is not necessary. Only detection tools are needed.

                        Reread your koment
                      64. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 21 October 2012 17: 07
                        0
                        snek,
                        Oh, fix it.
                      65. Kaa
                        Kaa 21 October 2012 16: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        preservation of non-polluted territories is desirable for subsequent exploitation and extraction of resources.

                        By the way, who does not know, even the "Chernobyl territories" are gradually being returned to circulation, and the "nuclear winter" is a NATO horror story; "The number of nuclear tests conducted by the Soviet Union alone in 1962 alone is comparable to a small nuclear war. Let me remind you that then in the USSR 79 atmospheric nuclear (and thermonuclear) explosions were carried out. The total energy release of these explosions was 133,8 Mt (Million tons in TNT equivalent). This is more than 6000 bombs dropped on Hiroshima (remember, a nuclear charge equivalent to 20 thousand tons was detonated there. Six thousand Hiroshima. Nuclear winter then did not come ... It did not come from 2053 nuclear explosions carried out in total. Http://deadland.ru/node/4077
                      66. lewerlin53rus
                        lewerlin53rus 21 October 2012 17: 04
                        +3
                        Quote: Kaa
                        ; "The number of nuclear tests carried out by one Soviet Union in 1962 alone is comparable to a small nuclear war.

                        And the fact that all nuclear tests were carried out in desert and uninhabited areas. but military nuclear strikes will be carried out primarily on densely populated industrial territories and capitals. Plus, part of the shot down weapons of defeat on both sides of the conflict will fall on the same Europe, which is hosting stupid missile defense systems with stupid obstinacy
                      67. Kaa
                        Kaa 21 October 2012 17: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: lewerlin53rus
                        nuclear combat strikes will be carried out primarily on densely populated industrial territories and capitals.

                        No doubt, it will be rubbish, but for us nuclear weapons are "the last argument of the kings", "our proud Varyag does not surrender to the enemy." Or do you think. that the Russian people will survive after defeat in a "normal" war? I remember that Thatcher said that 15 million Russians would be enough for the eyes in the occupied territories. So, "if you die, so with the music," and an attack on someone for no reason is somehow not to the face of the Russians ...
                      68. wax
                        wax 21 October 2012 20: 23
                        -1
                        In total and at the same time - completely different things. In total, you can eat a dozen fly-agarics and continue to live well, but if you eat them right away, you can serve a hearse. In addition to nuclear damage, powerful fire tornadoes will arise. And finally, the sunlight will be barely visible. In addition to lowering the temperature for a long time, there will be a problem in the production of oxygen by plants (chlorophyll-containing). The entire food chain will be seriously affected. What can definitely be said is that the bacterial life will be preserved by substantially changing its composition.
                      69. Kaa
                        Kaa 21 October 2012 23: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Wax
                        And finally, the sunlight will be barely visible. In addition to lowering the temperature for a long time, there will be a problem in the production of oxygen by plants (chlorophyll-containing).

                        If you firmly believe in this, please get acquainted. please, and with an alternative opinion. And then the "nuclear winter" completely confused the people, that this is unpredictable nonsense, we were once and for all explained to us in our youth, now the young generation comes to their minds:
                        "During a nuclear attack, multiple nuclear explosions will cause continuous fires, and as a result, an increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide, an increase in the greenhouse effect. Abundant evaporation, including from underwater explosions, will saturate the atmosphere with water vapor, which will then pour down with rains that cleanse the air from dust The troposphere is characterized by not only horizontal, but also very significant vertical turbulence and vortex currents. The gravitational redistribution of particles by mass works in the stratosphere. Self-purification of the atmosphere is based on these phenomena. In the theory of nuclear winter, there is anisotropy of thermal conductivity. Whence confidence that from the surface to space heat goes quickly, but back slowly? And where is it said that multi-megaton charges will drill the earth during a war, throwing dust and fumes into the stratosphere? With significant pollution of the stratosphere, the effect of heat reflection from the dirty layer - the so-called hot sky effect can occur. - have studied plans nuclear campaign in general and knows the detailed scenario? This is all very secret information today! These plans are valid. However, the development of thermonuclear weapons in the direction of the so-called clean bombs makes it possible to conclude that air explosions are used in strategic strikes, striking with light radiation and a shock wave. One high-altitude / mountain / volcano with a powerful eruption in a week pollutes the atmosphere more than 100 one-megaton air explosions at an altitude of 3 kilometers! And these are all major cities in the United States. Hurricane KATRINA is equivalent in energy to 5000 megatons of TNT! The thought arises of a monstrous deception of the world's population and dirty speculations on the fear of people! http://www.ldo.su/t63038.html
                      70. iCuD
                        iCuD 21 October 2012 23: 36
                        0
                        Why are you arguing? When modeling, different situations arise. It’s all the same as they say: practice without theory is nothing
                      71. nickname 1 and 2
                        nickname 1 and 2 22 October 2012 12: 24
                        0
                        Kaa,
                        [quote = Kaa] There is a thought about the monstrous deception of the planet's population and dirty speculations on people's fear! [/ quote

                        The author of this nonsense (And after the war, survivors will first have to survive.)
                        a sick person on his head. Someone can survive and survive, only now, will homosapence remain = this has not yet been proved. And doubts are too great
                      72. Bashkaus
                        Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 59
                        +3
                        In general, blinding the means of early warning of a missile attack according to instructions is equivalent to launching a missile strike. If more than 2 radars are illuminated in different places, a retaliatory strike is delivered.
                        In any case, when the amers shamanized during the Iran-Iraq war, the station in Gabala accidentally got it. The conversation was short and tough, quite quickly everything worked again.
                      73. Karish
                        Karish 21 October 2012 18: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        The use of EMP weapons to dazzle detection tools

                        Amy is a nuclear explosion at high altitude, especially since the strategic forces are protected from him.
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        attack of cruise missiles at the locations of the enemy’s nuclear forces, then a limited nuclear attack. No one sets the task of turning the enemy’s territory into a continuous nuclear desert.

                        What class are you in? Or have the comics read?
                2. Kshatriy
                  Kshatriy 21 October 2012 18: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: snek
                  I would even say inadequate.

                  ... Inadequately razmaticheskoy .... (But Pin-dos-sy so dream ... With a 100% guarantee of the destruction of nuclear warheads in Russia ... it will be possible to deliver an UNREQUIRED strike with neutron ammunition (half-life less than a month) at strategically important sites .. . Fenite la comedy ..... after which we populate the empty 1/6 part of the land with peaceful and obedient slaves ..... Such a scenario takes place to be ......
                  1. snek
                    snek 21 October 2012 18: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Kshatriya
                    With a 100% guarantee of the destruction of nuclear warheads in Russia ... it will be possible to deliver an IMMEDIATE strike with neutron munitions (half-life less than a month) at strategically important objects ... Fenitel a comedy ..... after which we populate the empty 1/6 part of the land with peaceful and obedient slaves ..... Such a scenario is the place to be ......

                    Why would they? Again, we are selling our resources as fast as pipelines can do. And who are these "peaceful obedient slaves"?
                    1. Kshatriy
                      Kshatriy 21 October 2012 19: 04
                      0
                      Quote: snek
                      Why do they need this? Again, we are selling our resources as quickly as pipelines can do.

                      ..... I cited this as a possible scenario ... Why do they need the Pentagon, the General Staff, mines, apl, the pro system, strategic aviation? ... Why are Margaret Techer saying that she wants to leave 5 million Russian to service the pipe in Siberia .... I will answer from Fierce hatred of the Russian people such plans are being built !!! I’ll print the plan of Alain Dales to you ???? (large print) .......
                      Quote: snek
                      peaceful obedient slaves "

                      ..... Such kindness in heaven is more than ever (a holy place never happens ...)
                      1. snek
                        snek 21 October 2012 19: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Kshatriya
                        ..... I brought this as a possible scenario ... Why do they need the Pentagon, General Staff, mines, apl, pro system, strategic aviation?

                        Then, why do we, China and others who have it (adjusted for the fact that the Pentagon is a min defense). Living together is easier when you know what you can give a friend in the face.
                        Quote: Kshatriya
                        Why are Margaret Techer's statements about the desire to leave 5 million Russian to service the pipe in Siberia ....

                        You will never find the source of this phrase anywhere (whole branches on individual forums are dedicated to this futile search). If I'm wrong - bring the English. primary source.
                        Quote: Kshatriya
                        I will answer from Fierce hatred of the Russian people such plans are being built !!! I print the plan of Alain Dales to you ???? (

                        Type (not necessarily large print) only, please indicate the source. Who and where found him.
                        Here is Wikipedia, of course, but if you don’t imagine a more reliable source, then this will work:
                        the US plan of action against the USSR in the Cold War era, described in the conspiracy theory popular in Russia, consisting in the hidden moral decomposition of the population of the USSR (Russia). The authorship of the plan is attributed to the head of the CIA (1953-1961) Allen Dulles. As cited by conspiracy theorists, the Dulles Plan was never published, and the English original was never presented.

                        Well
                        A well-known political scientist and specialist in Russian-American relations, Nikolai Zlobin, believes that neither Dulles, nor any other American official or politician could write anything like this, since this text completely contradicts the foundations of American policy towards the USSR. In particular, Zlobin notes that in 1945 there was no orientation toward the propaganda of cosmopolitanism in relation to the peoples of the USSR. The policy of opposition to the USSR was exactly the opposite - to try to awaken the national consciousness, especially among national minorities.

                        In addition, the indication in the text that Allan Dulles was at that time the director of the CIA was completely meaningless, since the CIA was created two years later, Dulles became director of the CIA in 1953 and he did not create any “doctrines”. Zlobin notes that all documents of that time have been declassified for a long time and are available free of charge to any researcher in the American archives. But no one has found such a document, since it does not exist. Therefore, he believes that the appearance of such a text is a purely Russian problem.

                        But everyone, as always, doesn’t care - we need a terrible enemy (west) with whom we will fight
                        Quote: Kshatriya
                        .... Such kindness in the Middle Kingdom forever more than

                        The Chinese, of course, will be happy to mine our resources, not just for the United States but for the PRC (as is already happening with the forest in the Far East).
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 October 2012 19: 27
                        +1
                        Living together is easier when you know what you can give a friend in the face.

                        Good phrase, life. good
                      3. snek
                        snek 21 October 2012 19: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Good phrase, life.

                        Unfortunately, this is so (with the amendment that a friend should know about this too).
                      4. Alexei
                        Alexei 21 October 2012 19: 28
                        0
                        Quote: snek
                        Living together is easier when you know what you can give a friend in the face.

                        + to you.
                      5. snek
                        snek 21 October 2012 19: 50
                        -2
                        Wow! Read:
                        1. Corrupt youth, take them away from religion. Attract their attention to sex. Make them superficial personalities; strip the foundation.
                        2. Get control over all the media, thereby:
                        3. Distract people from their government by redirecting their attention to sports, books about sex, plays and immoral cinema.
                        4. Divide the population into warring groups, constantly raise controversial issues that are not of fundamental importance.
                        5. Destroy people's trust in their legitimate leaders, reducing everything to contempt, ridicule and insult.
                        6. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as ruthlessly and quickly as possible.
                        7. Encouraging the folly of the government, to destroy people's trust in it, to create inflation, rising prices and public discontent.
                        8. Organize unjustified strikes by workers in vital industries, encourage civil unrest, and support a gentle government response to such unrest.
                        9. Degenerate moral values, such as: honesty, judgment, restraint, faith in a given word, unwaveringness.
                        10. Find a pretext for registering all firearms in order to confiscate them and make the population incapable of protecting themselves.

                        Doesn't it look like anything? Only this is not the "Dulles Plan", this is the "Communist Rules of the Revolution" - this "document" was allegedly discovered by the Allied troops in Germany in 1919, when Dulles had just graduated from university and no one had heard of him.
                        Here is the pdf. newspaper, 1972 - one of many reprints of this "document":
                        http://www.truthmagazine.com/searching-the-scriptures-archives/1972/STS_1972.pdf

                        And here is a discussion in English. A forum on the topic of whether this plan has reached its goal:
                        http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread205683/pg1
                        (thank God, most people are adequate and say that this is fabrication).
                        So I used to think that the Dulles plan is a flight of someone’s imagination, but now it turns out that this is dull plagiarism.
                      6. Kshatriy
                        Kshatriy 22 October 2012 18: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: snek
                        You will never find the source of this phrase anywhere (whole branches on individual forums are dedicated to this futile search). If I'm wrong - bring the English. primary source.

                        And for what purpose I will look for this .... dear friend ... personally to you and others like you, I am not going to prove anything .... "do not throw pearls in front of pigs" .... Jesus Christ said it was not true -or ???
                        Quote: snek
                        But everyone, as always, doesn’t care - we need a terrible enemy (west) with whom we will fight

                        Yes, "a man with a spot on his bald head" has already kissed passionately --- the consequences of his "Shnobel Peace Prize", until now R.A.N. in "shock and awe" lead !!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Quote further Wikipedia ...... and rejoice ..... rejoice .... rejoice ...... your liberality and tolerance ..... no problem .... (so far, that !! !) ......
                  2. Bashkaus
                    Bashkaus 21 October 2012 21: 14
                    +1
                    Let's stop wasting time on the chatter from the series "The Americans will disarm us 100%"
                    It's time to come to terms with a simple fact. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, purely out of principle.
                    As long as we have early detection systems, and we not only have them, but still intensively put into operation new ones, even the most sudden attack will be detected. Consequently, the only option for nuclear exchange is reciprocal-counter i.e. Amers will receive a full program of guests carefully chroning in the mines, before they are destroyed.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 October 2012 21: 16
                      +1
                      + + + + + + + + + + soldier He sharpened the ax to the ringing, hit a quarter of moonshine, and said that he would lead the enemy even by the horns ..
            2. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 53
              +1
              I disagree, the nuclear weapons of both the United States and Russia were originally made to inflict not only a retaliatory strike, but also a retaliatory strike, which implies the initial seizure of disarming pills, but at the same time the guaranteed opportunity to take the "partner" with you without the right for survival.
              Therefore, amers are puffing with their missile defense system;
            3. Karish
              Karish 21 October 2012 18: 16
              +1
              Quote: Melchakov
              Comrade, the whole joke is that if you quickly destroy all command and administrative centers, as well as at least half of all the armed forces, there may not be a retaliatory strike

              Comrade, you forgot about submarines on combat duty, so that the answer is guaranteed.
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 50
          +3
          He presses the button first, wins for himself a maximum of 20 minutes of life.
      3. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 21 October 2012 16: 37
        +1
        Read carefully the exercise report. "" "" "For the first time in the modern history of Russia, the entire triad of strategic nuclear forces - naval and ground troops, as well as long-range aviation aircraft were involved in the exercises." "" "" You cannot say more specifically.
      4. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 21 October 2012 16: 45
        +1
        I won’t be surprised if France simply forgets everything. Does she just need it?
      5. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 21 October 2012 18: 13
        -1
        Quote: Karish
        also England, France, Israel (according to intelligence),

        ..... Uh-huh ..... my dear, these are countries - ONE thermonuclear "bomb" .... for Israel, even 1 \ 10 of one "bomb" is enough .... let's not take them into account take? ... Strategically wage a nuclear war, on the planet the earth can, only TWO countries - the United States and Russia .. (and this is not my point of view, but military experts ...)
        Quote: Karish
        If there is a thermonuclear war, there will be no winners.

        I agree completely! For the planet Earth itself - will not be !!!
        1. Karish
          Karish 21 October 2012 18: 35
          0
          Quote: Kshatriya
          . Strategically waging a nuclear war, on the planet the earth can, in all TWO countries - the USA and Russia.

          Yes, we are in your showdown and do not climb. You have your own enemies, we have our own. The world does not consist only of Russia and the USA. And everyone wants to live.
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 21 October 2012 19: 15
            0
            Quote: Karish
            The world does not consist only of Russia and the USA. And everyone wants to live.

            .... I once a thread with you on such an obvious issue argued ???
            ..... However, there is an amendment ---- a strategic partnership (and Israel is a strategic partner of the United States) ..... In this connection, you will fit into our showdown ... without even having any desire .... .
        2. iCuD
          iCuD 21 October 2012 19: 21
          0
          Quote: Kshatriya
          For the planet Earth itself - will not be !!!

          Another religion-hit .... There will be. And nothing will happen to her: neither a pole shift, nor an axis change :)
          If, for example, a nuclear war starts today ... and immediately, without the so-called threatened period (or whatever it is called there), I can please you, the probability of surviving a fairly large part of humanity is very high. Problems will only begin in a few decades (next generations, etc.)
          Quote: Kshatriya
          . let's not take them into account?

          Well yes, let's not. AND? You understand that their charges will trample on us. Such a naive pancake.
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 21 October 2012 19: 48
            0
            Quote: iCuD
            Another religion-hit .... There will be. And nothing will happen to her: neither a pole shift, nor an axis change :)
            If, for example, a nuclear war starts today ... and immediately, without the so-called threatened period (or whatever it is called there), I can please you, the probability of surviving a fairly large part of humanity is very high. Problems will only begin in a few decades (next generations, etc.)

            My dear friend, have you ever heard something about Academician Sakharov .... In particular, about his speech at a meeting of the USSR Politburo .. ????? Read it, you can understand what a "thermonuclear" reaction is.
            One of his statements about the unpredictability of calculating the critical mass of a thermonuclear ammunition in an explosion in the world's oceans ... that still "physics" ... So, your speculations "about the surviving population" and another one that got stuck in religion are groundless !!!! !
            ...

            Quote: iCuD
            Well yes, let's not. AND? You understand that their charges will trample on us. Such a naive pancake.

            I’m not naive, but you ..... There will be no "tin" islands ... they will sink under the water, and small-shavens know about it ... that's why they will not shove in the open ... but they will start nudging others .. ..
            1. iCuD
              iCuD 21 October 2012 21: 44
              +1
              Yeah, I heard .. how! They told me about this in the 2nd year. And I can confidently say: this is only a theory and nothing more. Earth will survive. what will she become? The heresy you carry is more like the religious prejudices of the Middle Ages to you that at least at the institute you didn’t instill basic knowledge in physics and other sciences? (I apologize for being rude)
              About the surviving population - I will also remain of my opinion. (Again, thanks to the military department). And estimate for yourself: who, in their right mind, will throw special items (and by the way, oh, how they lack them now) on insignificant medium and small settlements? and? You should remember which objects will be hit first.
              Moreover, humanity, even in the Stone Age, will not be thrown back (although this is me xs)
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 21 October 2012 21: 47
                +1
                Throws back, throws back .. years on 100, well, maybe on 200. I don’t think anymore.
                1. iCuD
                  iCuD 21 October 2012 21: 51
                  0
                  100 may be ... well, not in the Stone Age smile
              2. Kshatriy
                Kshatriy 22 October 2012 18: 15
                0
                Quote: iCuD
                The heresy that you carry is more like the religious prejudices of the Middle Ages to you, that even at the institute you did not instill the initial knowledge of physics and other sciences?

                ..Let's start with the fact that the initial knowledge of physics is instilled in school and you seem to be like that until the second year (something you never got there !!!) .... I don't know who told you what ... but it seems that you should, in principle, remain on the basis of "other sciences" (he quoted your fabrications) ...... You should not say "with such confidence" about the theory that you have heard out of your ears ..... (then you won't have to apologize - "- for being rude")

                Quote: iCuD
                Moreover, humanity, even in the Stone Age, will not be thrown back (although this is me xs)

                Yeah .... after an exchange of US strikes --- Russia with all the available means of mass destruction - even cockroaches will not remain on our planet .... Do not indulge yourself with illusions ....-- young man !!!!
                1. iCuD
                  iCuD 22 October 2012 19: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: Kshatriya
                  To begin with, the initial knowledge of physics is taught at school

                  Hah, I can only say that you had strained with physics: either you didn’t have it at the institute or it was at a very low level, otherwise you would know that you still have to study physics at the institute from scratch, practically without using school knowledge. (well, in any case, the physics of school only disturbed me and all my friends. I even failed because of them to fail my first physics exam in the 1st year)
                  Secondly, Of course they didn’t paint it for us, BUT any certified engineer-physicist, that yes, this theory makes sense, but even from undermining ALL nuclear charges on Earth, the theory will not work!. And I think that I still can’t convince you of this, because your religious beliefs and your lack of knowledge are still strong.

                  Quote: Kshatriya
                  after the exchange of US strikes --- Russia with all available means of mass destruction - on our planet, even cockroaches will not remain

                  After such a statement, it already seems to me that you have no education at all. Although I am far from biology and botany, I even know that the ability of cockroaches to survive is enormous! Of course, they will not survive at the epicenter, but still they are threatening someone, but nothing threatens the cockroaches (though there may be some mutations). Yes, by the way, this is all known since school. Or do you think that they will die out in the so-called. "nuclear winter"? I can disappoint you: these bastards are tenacious! I myself drove them at -65 and they even had henna!
                  1. Kshatriy
                    Kshatriy 23 October 2012 18: 38
                    0
                    Quote: iCuD
                    All the same, physics at the institute has to be taught from scratch, practically without using school knowledge. (Well, in any case, me and all my friends, the school knowledge of physics only interfered. I even failed because of them to fail my first physics exam at 1- m course)

                    ... The young man solely from the fact that you failed the exams, I have nothing to talk about with you .... theory .. I have nuclear fusion for you .. so it remains ... terror is incognito !!!!!!!!! !!!! In vain you seem to have been taught ... they spent the state nowhere. money....
                    Quote: iCuD
                    Of course, they will not survive in the epicenter, but still someone, but nothing threatens cockroaches (though there may be some mutations). By the way, this is all known from school. Or do you think that they will die out in the so-called. "nuclear winter"? I can disappoint you: these bastards are tenacious! I myself drove them at -65 and they even had henna!
                    Read carefully my dear ..... (I wrote on you "by all means of mass destruction" ...... well, you have a low level of intelligence .... forget it and don’t shine ... yeaaaaaaaaaaaa?
                    1. iCuD
                      iCuD 23 October 2012 19: 32
                      0
                      Heh, smiled) I even specifically told my friends about it (physics engineers: 141401 “Nuclear Physics and Technology”) The only thing I can say (because I pointed out all reasonable arguments) is thanks! Neighing lol
                      The conclusion we reached (omitting all sorts of jokes and curses and religion (sic!)): You either do not have a higher education or it is humanitarian.
                      Quote: Kshatriya
                      Read carefully my dear ..... (I wrote on you "by all means of mass destruction" .....

                      Uhm? This is a run over ....)) Please re-read my previous message, and maybe you will notice that it was just written about
                      Quote: Kshatriya
                      "by all means of mass destruction."

                      So, it looks like you wrote to yourself:
                      Quote: Kshatriya
                      .well your level of intelligence is low .... hammer and don’t shine ... daaaaaaaaaaaaa?

                      In order to increase self-education, you can enter our institute. Physics for all specialties (except for humanities) in the first 2 courses is no different ... well, except for minor nuances)))
    2. Oboz
      Oboz 21 October 2012 19: 45
      +1
      I support (respect)!
  14. zz2003_1974
    zz2003_1974 21 October 2012 13: 57
    +4
    Up to this point, the Yankees and their accomplices thought that the Russians could only send @ "th, where you can't return without an innovator, now a new, well-forgotten old path - for mushrooms !!!!!!!!!
  15. Artem6688
    Artem6688 21 October 2012 13: 59
    +5
    You can immediately see how Putin and the United States undermine the country's defense!)
  16. Oboz
    Oboz 21 October 2012 14: 32
    -5
    "In Russia, there were exercises of the forces of the nuclear triad, which have no analogues in the modern history of the country," but in other COUNTRIES it was similar? When?
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 21 October 2012 17: 02
      0
      The Americans still have not fired more than one missile salvo from their nuclear submarines - they are dumb to them like that, they launch one at a time)))
      1. snek
        snek 21 October 2012 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: Bashkaus
        The Americans still haven’t fired more than one missile salvo from their nuclear submarines - it’s dumb to them, one by one launch)))


        Here are a couple of tridents flew
        1. harrymur
          harrymur 21 October 2012 19: 20
          0
          as if I support the opinion that in the case, God forbid, of course, a full-scale war with the use of nuclear weapons, from Russia as from the Amers, and as Europe will most likely get, there’s no hell left, and if we take an analysis of the launches of our and Amer’s missiles, our direct say no, especially in the marine component of the triad
          at the moment we have the most rocket launchers in the world, possibly all taken together, but deployed less, with nuclear charges for tactics applicable to the European theater, the Turks, and more China,
          we’ll wipe all those close to powder, nuclear and poisonous, but anyway the question is, do we need it
  17. Rossmk
    Rossmk 21 October 2012 14: 44
    +1
    Well done rocket men. Worked for 5 s + good
  18. NEMO
    NEMO 21 October 2012 15: 44
    +3
    Quote: MUD
    So such a training is needed and large ranks.

    And even more so! Combat crews and crews carry out these simulations constantly, as part of combat training. And practice shows that "big ranks" look at what is happening as ... at a new gate, until the operative officer tells when to sit down, when to get up ..............
  19. grease
    grease 21 October 2012 16: 09
    +2
    Now howl will begin in the Western media good
  20. KCC
    KCC 21 October 2012 16: 20
    +2
    Good training for the troops and the president. Pleases.
  21. dim4ikp
    dim4ikp 21 October 2012 16: 51
    -2
    Some assholes gathered here! You look out the window, who will fight? Yes you idiots enthusiastic and do not need to enslave, you are essentially worthless slaves !!!
  22. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 21 October 2012 17: 11
    +2
    And what do we have with Bulova? they had to carry out a volley launch from a rocket launcher, so that would bring it all together for the joy of the Pentagon)
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 October 2012 17: 13
    +2
    BashkausThey did it! Two missiles, successfully.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 21 October 2012 21: 19
      0
      Yeah, I think I’ve earned too much ((
  24. Stasi.
    Stasi. 21 October 2012 17: 17
    0
    The teachings of the nuclear triad are great news. But I would like to know one more thing. How are our strategic nuclear forces being updated, what new missile systems are being developed, how fast is the update. I was pleased with the news that the introduction of military railway complexes into operation is possible. God grant that they really take up combat duty.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 October 2012 17: 21
      +3
      You have questions similar to spyware. Which, how fast ... Tricky however.
      1. Stasi.
        Stasi. 21 October 2012 19: 16
        0
        It’s just that the press writes that according to experts, 80% of all the weapons of the Russian army are obsolete both morally and technically. And nuclear complexes are generally rusty.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 October 2012 19: 19
          +2
          Of course, of course ... and the tanks are rusty, crumble on the go. Take everything that is written in the press with very deep criticism.
          1. Stasi.
            Stasi. 21 October 2012 19: 48
            0
            I do it. Nevertheless, I would like to know how our military, those who serve, assess the prospects for rearmament.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 01
              0
              On Saturday, the commander of the 58th Army performed on "Echo". He said that his army weapons and military equipment were updated by 80%
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 07
                0
                Dim is vague and unspecific. The army consists mainly of motorized rifle units. Maybe the berets brought them a new uniform.
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 17
                  0
                  Where I served, almost everything was replaced. Of the old equipment, only self-propelled guns of one of the divisions remained, and anti-tank equipment.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 19
                    +1
                    Where I served, they put everyone under the knife, the Red Banner Guards Regiment with half a century of history. Such is Dim military reform.
                    1. DIMS
                      DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 28
                      0
                      The part with the experience of 4 Caucasian wars is usually not allowed under the knife.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 31
                        0
                        Dim and the Patriotic War and 2 years of Afghanistan, so simple, a fun walk. Watch the film Baltic Sky, it's about my regiment.
                      2. DIMS
                        DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 40
                        0
                        This is somewhat different. From us, however, it was practically impossible to be replaced, only through dismissal. As a result, during the second Chechen I had a boss with experience in the Ossetian-Ingush and the first Chechen.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 45
                        0
                        I have a regiment Hero of the Soviet Union, all dispersed in a few days.
                      4. DIMS
                        DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 52
                        0
                        We too. And NSH is the Hero of Russia. But here is another: all the battalion commanders before the Second had two wars behind their backs. KP and ZKP-three. Half of the company and the entire command of battalions and divisions are one. It was valuable experience to pass on to. Well, then we were taught. Now those who have behind them a second and Russian-Georgian learn now. 58 general army specific.
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 54
                        0
                        This is the most important continuity.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 21 October 2012 19: 49
          +1
          It’s just that the press writes that according to experts, 80% of all the weapons of the Russian army are obsolete both morally and technically.

          Last year, we entered the storage facility where the T-80s are standing, not counting the fact that the warehouse itself is protected from a direct explosion of nuclear weapons, so the tanks themselves are on the move and the rest of the equipment (BTR-80, "Tunguska", tractors) too.
        3. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 21 October 2012 19: 59
          +1
          Quote: Stasi.
          And nuclear complexes are generally rusty.

          "Rusty" - Satan ... very naive ..... so-and-so pin-do-sy in powerless anger, their foreheads are smashed against the walls in a desire to find a shield against this strategist .... and they themselves admit that he breaks through ANY existing (and the one that will exist in the next 15 years) P.R.O ....
        4. wax
          wax 21 October 2012 20: 29
          +1
          So they rusted and flew, and right on target. It turned out that they can still rust and give a gain in time for rearmament.
  25. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 21 October 2012 17: 41
    +2
    Apparently, someone needed to prove that there was still "gunpowder in the flasks". I am very glad that everything worked properly. We are waiting for the squeals and squeals of liberalism about the "saber rattling".
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 22 October 2012 13: 03
      0
      Hi There will be no screech0 They know everything perfectly They are interested in the fact that those factories and enterprises that are just under construction will be launched, And this is planned shooting, You never wondered why our democrats (the opposition) were so excited right now, Everywhere they are yelling about waste on defense, These forgive me figures did not occupy weaknesses in the government, TRIADA is the last argument of the state, Now all the forces of our so-called friends are aimed at disrupting or slowing down the construction of these facilities, And a strange thing over the hill also craves this, I think after a while their gate to new enterprises may appear that will very disappoint them, It will not be these scanty parties but normal as it should be, And one reservation will probably disappear - extension of the service life, Regards,
  26. Onotollah
    Onotollah 21 October 2012 17: 48
    +2
    This is such a signal to the Amerov electorate - vote right, otherwise it’s biznes11
  27. PSih2097
    PSih2097 21 October 2012 19: 44
    0
    For the first time in how many years?
    Apparently, someone needed to prove that there was still "gunpowder in the flasks"

    But ask yourself - the question is, where is all our weapons-grade plutonium (google to help)?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 October 2012 19: 48
      +1
      Let's guess - in European and American nuclear reactors? only not all, but only the one that was removed from the old and START-reduced warheads. And not only plutonium, but also uranium.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 October 2012 20: 46
        0
        The problem is that the whole ... because the path is committed not to produce a new one ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 October 2012 20: 52
          +1
          Where does such misinformation come from? Here are the data for last year.
          http://www.rosatom.ru/journalist/atomicsphere/be10df804a9e92c28ee0aef73f6f074d
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 22 October 2012 01: 15
      0
      Quote: PSih2097
      Google to help

      Yeah .. Kick what source of information on strategic issues and state secrets laughing
  28. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 21 October 2012 20: 50
    0
    modern war is unlikely to take place in the usual format. Everything can begin with separatist demonstrations in some regions. Then an attack by terrorist groups on Topol (Who are we going to shoot missiles at in this case?). Attack on peaceful nuclear facilities and hydroelectric power plants, etc. Only then, if we manage to achieve chaos, and, in general, if necessary, we will be beaten with tomahawks and nuclear missiles ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 21 October 2012 20: 59
      -1
      enough attack on 3-4 nuclear power plants - then a full caput ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 October 2012 21: 12
        +2
        NPP facilities are well guarded. It is not so easy to get to the control room, from where at least something can be done with the reactor. And against external influences, the reactors are sufficiently protected.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 22 October 2012 00: 50
          0
          NPP facilities are well guarded.

          Seriously? Do you yourself stand guard or judge books?
          1. iCuD
            iCuD 22 October 2012 02: 26
            +1
            It was. It can be bad against saboteurs, but against the terrorists the cake itself.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 22 October 2012 02: 37
              0
              + + + + + + + + + + + + soldier
      2. Karish
        Karish 21 October 2012 21: 25
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        enough attack on 3-4 nuclear power plants - then a full caput ...


        In fact . it is enough to disable 5-6 main substations and ... The effect is not worse, but easier to get.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 October 2012 21: 04
      0
      You are only right in one thing - they will try to tear us apart from the inside. Because you can’t take it by force. They’ve been trying for a year, until it works out and the popusition has already shown its true face ... From which you just want to cry. It hurts too ... miserable and nasty.
  29. ryadovoi
    ryadovoi 21 October 2012 21: 03
    0
    However, the Minister of Defense did not comment. Some kind of furniture store.
  30. Botanologist
    Botanologist 21 October 2012 21: 45
    +2
    I would like to draw attention to the work of the Shell. And then moans often begin - like, Carapace of garbage, a commercial project, cuts, cuts ....
    But the missile intercepted, as required to prove.
    Well done TULYAKA!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 October 2012 01: 04
      0
      I would like to draw attention to the work of the Shell.

      Now when they (96K6) will be like tunguska in number, then YES, but for now 6 pieces a year is not ice ...
  31. Azatzin
    Azatzin 21 October 2012 22: 52
    0
    Sleeping Dogs - Limited Edition Kaa. Did you come up with all this yourself or are you from "these" ...?
  32. s1н7т
    s1н7т 21 October 2012 23: 41
    0
    I reread the article with Leonov about the Air Force and space. Closed VVAULs, academies (including the Academy of the East Kazakhstan region!). Soon there will be no one to fly stupidly on the air part of the "triad". Will he sit behind the "wheel"?))) Chukhnya all these "teachings", dust in the eyes. “I don’t believe!” (C) They brought ideology from the wholesale trade into defense policy - the main thing is to survive today. And tomorrow? And then? The country, as a cooperative, cannot be closed when it squeezes, however!
  33. milotchka
    milotchka 22 October 2012 00: 02
    0
    Under the wise guidance of the dear N.S.Khrushchev, 2 hectares of corn were sown.
    TIRED!
    So far, lawyers have led rocket launches ...
    It would be better if CORRUPTION and housing and communal services
  34. djon3volta
    djon3volta 22 October 2012 10: 19
    -3
    I'm wondering, if, FOR EXAMPLE, you drop a "Kuz'kina mother" on the center of Washington, how many people will die? and within a radius of how many kilometers will there be destruction? Given the 50 megaton warhead of that bomb.
    on Nagasaki, like 12 kilotons were dropped and 30 thousand were killed in the first second, like .. and from 50 megatons how many victims will be? wassat
  35. SMUTIAN
    SMUTIAN 23 October 2012 21: 46
    0
    SYS, SYS, we will arrange for you Kuzkin Mother ... lol
  36. terry
    terry 23 October 2012 22: 41
    0
    Well, you stupid! \
    A cool article and cool comments. \ In the native Russian space, without any interference rockets were launched that flew over the native Russian space, without any enemy interference, hit the native Russian space.
    A native Russian missile from its native Pantsir S ended up (almost by accident, with photographers) in the area where our "enemy" missile accidentally flew by.
    Of course, the enemy missile was shot down, because the whole process was controlled by the commander in chief, and behind him the whole General Staff.
    what does the real war have to do with it? !!!
  37. Megatron
    Megatron 26 October 2012 20: 27
    0
    that, he does not consider it shameful for himself to take part in the training.

    Well, even cranes did not disdain.
  38. kabud
    kabud 27 October 2012 00: 03
    0
    WASHINGTON, October 25.

    The largest missile defense exercises in the history of the US Armed Forces took place in the Pacific. This was reported today by the Ministry of Defense of the country.

    During the exercises, which took place in the area of ​​Kwajalein Atoll and Hawaii, five targets were almost simultaneously detected and intercepted: ballistic and cruise missiles. For this, integrated missile defense systems were used - the Aegis system installed on the Fitzgerald destroyer, as well as the army's mobile missile defense systems THAAD and Patriot.

    During testing, the THAAD system destroyed for the first time a medium-range ballistic missile dropped from a US Air Force C-17 transport aircraft. The Patriot complex struck a short-range ballistic missile launched from a floating launcher near Kwajalein Atoll and destroyed a cruise missile above the water.
    The Aegis system hit a low-flying cruise missile. She also successfully detected a short-range ballistic missile and launched an anti-missile.

    US Missile Defense: The Most Challenging Test Yet

    A Terminal High Altitude Area Defense interceptor is launched from Meck Island on its way to an intercept of a ballistic missile target on Oct. 24, 2012.

    On Thursday, the US military conducted a combined developmental and operational test of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missile defense system, and Aegis ballistic missile defense system.

    This has been the most complex and largest test the US has ever conducted. The missile defense systems engaged five targets simultaneously, including a cruise missile during its course. The test also showed the importance of command and control integration as well as the technological maturity of the missile defense programs.

    The ballistic and cruise missile threats are real. Rogue nations such as Iran and North Korea continue to develop capabilities that can threaten US forward-deployed troops or US allies. Their actions demonstrate the continued need to invest in the ballistic missile defense program.
    Earlier this month, the nation commemorated the 50th anniversary of the Cuban missile crisis. A comprehensive layered missile defense system, preferably space-based, would deny other nations the ability to blackmail the US or its allies and prevent future missile crises from happening.

    The Obama Administration drastically cut the missile defense budget the first year it came into office. Its subsequent budget requests have failed to make up for the lost ground. As Representative Michael Turner (R – OH) observes, the Missile Defense Agency's projection for fiscal year (FY) 2013–2016 “is $ 3.6 billion less than even President Obama's FY12 projection for FY13-16 [from] just last year and $ 2 billion less than the previous administration projected for FY13. ”

    Such a cut, if enacted by Congress, would dramatically reduce US capability to keep up with the evolving ballistic missile threat. The Administration also cut some of the most promising missile defense programs, like the Airborne Laser, the Kinetic Energy Interceptor, and the Multiple Kill Vehicle, which would give the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense a better capability to defeat incoming long-range ballistic missiles.
    It is essential that the US advances its missile defense program faster. The threat is real. The country already has technology that would allow it to protect itself and its allies from adversarial blackmail and coercion.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/26/u-s-missile-defense-the-most-challenging-tes
    t-yet /