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US media: Kyiv and Washington continue to discuss the supply of Patriot air defense systems, F-16 aircraft and Gray Eagle drones

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US media: Kyiv and Washington continue to discuss the supply of Patriot air defense systems, F-16 aircraft and Gray Eagle drones

Kyiv and Washington continue to discuss the supply of Patriot air defense systems, F-16 aircraft and Gray Eagle drones. True, Ukraine no longer publicly asks for these American-made weapons.

This was reported by the American publication Politico, citing sources including advisers to the Ukrainian president, as well as representatives of the Pentagon and the United States defense industry.

The US media claims that "behind the scenes" negotiations on the supply of 4th generation fighters, modern air defense systems and reconnaissance and strike drones did not stop. Their participants discuss the expediency of sending this equipment to Ukraine in the near future. They decide whether to do it now or to return to this issue later.

The departure of this topic into the “underground” is largely due to the recommendations of the American authorities to Kyiv, in which they advise him not to be distracted by long-term prospects, but to formulate his requests to the West based on his current needs.

Requests for deliveries of expensive weapons divert Kyiv from more pressing needs on the battlefield

- suggests the author of the publication.

Washington is in no hurry to supply these weapons to Kyiv, not only for fear of provoking Russia to take more decisive action, but also because of the uncertainty that Ukraine will not be able to afford the costs of operating and maintaining the supplied equipment.

On the other hand, the United States believes that new weapons in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can turn the tide of hostilities in favor of Kyiv.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 17 September 2022 11: 27
    -1
    Let's see how the deliveries of the Patriot air defense system, F-16 and drones end up ...
    It is necessary to do something so that there would be no even thoughts about these deliveries. It's clear that.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 September 2022 11: 31
      -1
      I myself am waiting for an air raid to be announced over the whole of Ukraine. There are prerequisites for this. By the way, in Ukraine there is an air defense unit. Where, as they say, you can even track our single missile. I’m already old, I don’t know how to open it. hi
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 17 September 2022 11: 37
        -3
        they talk a lot .... this is a PR state that must convince its population of their racial, military, etc. "superiority". So let them talk, talkers. Already there is no weapon of your own - one is imported, you can’t even defend yourself with this. To equip the equipment with professional crews, sufficiently trained, well-coordinated groups and motivated to die for money, you need to find thousands of cancer patients with large families (get insurance) and train them for several years (pilots, for example) ... well, at least a year.
      2. VSO-396
        VSO-396 18 September 2022 00: 01
        -2
        tralflot, do you follow the news? It happens that several times a day throughout Ukraine declare an air raid alert. On the Internet, you can connect, say, the Ternopil radio and hear how the siren howls and announces an air raid alert.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 17 September 2022 11: 32
      -3
      Requests for expensive weapons distract Kyiv from more pressing needs on the battlefield
      - suggests the author of the publication.
      You still have no idea how Kyiv will be distracted by the prospect of reselling your expensive weapons laughing
    3. opuonmed
      opuonmed 17 September 2022 11: 59
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      Let's see how the deliveries of the Patriot air defense system, F-16 and drones end up ...
      It is necessary to do something so that there would be no even thoughts about these deliveries. It's clear that.

      it is necessary, but as long as there is no watered will to do something in this direction, otherwise they would say!
    4. ruha
      ruha 17 September 2022 13: 37
      -2
      Or maybe ours, on the contrary, play along to bring all this?
  2. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 17 September 2022 11: 30
    -2
    We already know what Russia must do to prevent this. The problem is that it doesn't do anything.
  3. Old ensign
    Old ensign 17 September 2022 11: 33
    +6
    But they will put F16. What seemed a fantasy a year ago is now becoming a reality. No one is afraid of a paper tiger anymore. I also ask you not to write anything about attacks on decision-making centers, otherwise Zelensky will soon begin to sing obscene ditties about this.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 17 September 2022 11: 43
      +2
      The implementation of the Minsk agreements has been waiting for 8 years. Let's wait for these deliveries.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 September 2022 11: 43
    +2
    behind-the-scenes negotiations on the supply of 4th generation fighters, modern air defense systems and reconnaissance and strike drones did not stop
    No one doubted this. So far, they are not delivering, not because Ukraine is practically bankrupt, because. they will always find something to compensate for, but obviously they are waiting for how the "victorious counteroffensives" will end and what it will result in for Ukraine.
  5. gansales
    gansales 17 September 2022 11: 48
    -10
    Discuss bastards!!! But then Russia is not responsible for itself ..

    The hand will not flinch, especially the "Perimeter" system ..
    Think gentlemen in Washington and London!! hi
    1. EvilCommunist
      EvilCommunist 17 September 2022 11: 55
      -4
      And I have long been for this kipesh!!!
      The Lord lives before whom I stand!
      1. gansales
        gansales 17 September 2022 12: 44
        -3
        Quote: EvilCommunist
        And I have long been for this kipesh!!!
        The Lord lives before whom I stand!

        Yes, most provinces in Russia hehe
        We are very tired of waiting..


        I want to bang of course .. But it’s better that the “Dead Hand” system works .. We don’t want war, but we are again forced to fight ..
  6. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 17 September 2022 11: 53
    -7
    Business something. In response, discuss with the LDNR the supply of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles to them. And then some coasts are lost.
  7. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 17 September 2022 12: 00
    -1
    You might think that the Kyiv junta can afford to pay for everything that they have ALREADY received over the past seven or eight months ... laughing
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 September 2022 13: 04
      +8
      What for? How much money was arrested there 300 or 400 billion? Or do you believe that they will be returned?

      And yes, did Vietnam pay for MiGs, S-75s, S-125s, T-55s, training and other military assistance? Why should Americans act differently? A weapon designed to kill the enemies of America/the Western world kills the enemies of America/the West without risk to the creators.
  8. Sebostyuan
    Sebostyuan 17 September 2022 12: 08
    -2
    The cry of the soul is off topic. There is a video on the net. DPR soldiers storm the fort. The video is filmed by a drone.
    How we lack "assault" copters for such purposes. Grenade-throwing copters, supported by copters with automatic weapons.
  9. belost79
    belost79 17 September 2022 12: 20
    +1
    The Kremlin should respond to all these secret negotiations with an expression of special, anniversary concern and a reminder of the approach to the Red Line, after which very decisive measures will follow.
  10. rusich
    rusich 17 September 2022 12: 25
    -6
    Yankees think Khokhlosvins will sell or lose "Patrity" and F-16
  11. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 17 September 2022 12: 27
    -1
    REPOST. If we want everything to end - but not to resort to mobilization, it is necessary to turn off the energy of the outskirts. The lion's share of weapons and ammunition is still manufactured at the factories of the outskirts. Repair, transportation - everything is tied to electricity. Generators are a drop in the ocean, the most miserable repair work is the maximum.
    Everything will rise. And the army of the outskirts - including. Enemy propaganda will collapse due to the lack of the Internet. A laptop can be put on a generator. But towers and large nodes will not work.
    And turn off all bridges across the Dnieper.
    It won't last long. If we pull the cat by the balls like this, there will be more suffering for everyone, including ordinary citizens of Russia and the outskirts.


    If we don't do it now, they will still start delivering planes, patriots, and a whole host of other unpleasant things to the Kram. Thus, whether we like it or not, we will be drawn into a full-scale war with NATO. Equally in the same way as at the beginning of the war.

    Our army missile defense system is good, but installations are sorely lacking. Himars is just a particular. Short-range guided missile - not the highest performance. But it flies accurately, and there is not always something to shoot down.

    Let's not take things to the extreme. If the outskirts become unsuitable for waging war, all these weapons will not be transferred to it.

    Plus, in the light of the further situation with Europe, it will be useful to disconnect it from additional capacities from the outskirts.
    1. ruha
      ruha 17 September 2022 13: 41
      -1
      All right! Yes, and generators will not last long and they can also be extinguished, plus fuel depots, and now the axiom is ready for you!
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 17 September 2022 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Ivanushka Ivanov
      If the outskirts become unsuitable for waging war, all these weapons will not be transferred to it.


      come on, if NATO (USA) wants a direct clash (regular Russian army against the regular army of NATO member states) with Russia, then even if Ukraine is a desert, this clash will happen.
      The United States wants to fight at the hands of the Ukrainians and at the same time avoid a direct clash with Russia, and in this case, Russia really needs to disable Ukraine's infrastructure (bridges, railways, fuel and gas pipelines, gas fields and its storage facilities, dams, tets, hydroelectric power stations (dneproges) , treatment facilities). At the same time, the removal of even one CHP for Ukraine is more painful than tens of thousands of corpses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because cannon fodder can be quickly replenished by catching it on the street, and it takes years, real money and competencies to build a new CHP.
      If someone is not in the know, then the entire energy infrastructure in Ukraine was built in the Soviet years.
  12. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 17 September 2022 13: 12
    -2
    On the other hand, do the United States believe that new weapons in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can turn the tide of hostilities in favor of Kyiv, that is, in favor of those who will sell them at a flea market? For personal enrichment!
  13. lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 September 2022 13: 25
    -1
    Kyiv and Washington continue to discuss the supply of Patriot air defense systems, F-16 aircraft and Gray Eagle drones.


    what will that change? .The Patriot air defense system has a range of only 120 km, and most importantly for Bandera, they cannot be hit on the infrastructure of the liberated territories, and these aircraft and drones, in addition to being immeasurable, are easily detected by any even the oldest Soviet air defense system, but also control the F-16 in one month you can’t teach + service infrastructure (since you can’t build it quickly in Ukraine, they will have to take off from NATO airfields in Europe) + Nastov pilots at the helm = an almost real version of a direct clash between Russia and NATO.
    At the same time, you should not think that the United States still does not supply Patriot air defense systems, F-16 aircraft and Gray Eagle drones
    + long-range missiles for Himars out of their peacefulness. The Americans only supply what can really bring problems to Russia and the liberated territories (I think many have noticed that the bulk of the artillery strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine falls on the infrastructure of the territories they have left, which completely fits into the American concept when at the first stage of the war need to withdraw enemy infrastructure) but at the same time try to avoid the supply of such weapons as, for example, tactical extended-range missiles and F-16 aircraft, which are almost guaranteed to make them participants in a direct conflict with Russia.
    After all, it is Ukrainians, Poles and other puppets who should die for the interests of the United States and not American soldiers.
    At the same time, to believe that this delivery will become that miracle weapon that can defeat Russia, only Zelensky + his zombified audience listening to the words of his Fuhrer around the clock believes.
    Fuhrer Ze was so proud of his successes in the Kharkov direction that he considers himself a superman.
    1. Negro
      Negro 18 September 2022 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: lopvlad
      what will that change? .The Patriot air defense system has a range of only 120 km

      Patriot is the only massive Western air defense / missile defense system. Nasams and others, with all their advantages, have one big disadvantage - they are few in number and they are produced rather slowly.
      Quote: lopvlad
      they cannot be hit on the infrastructure of the liberated territories

      Hitting air defense systems on the ground is a quirk of rich people, like the RF Armed Forces. The problem of Ukraine is that it is impossible to land enemy aircraft in the combat zone and it is impossible to provide logistics hubs in the rear that are guaranteed to be protected from arrivals for the concentration of forces. The Patriots will help you do both.
      Quote: lopvlad
      drones, in addition to costing immeasurably, are easily detected by any even the oldest Soviet air defense system

      You're right. Until the air defense is suppressed, large drones cannot be used.
      Quote: lopvlad
      you can’t learn how to manage the F-16 in one month + maintenance infrastructure (since you can’t build it quickly in Ukraine, they will have to take off from NATO airfields in Europe)

      I don't see a problem. There is plenty of time before the summer campaign of 2023.
      Quote: lopvlad
      At the same time, believe that this delivery will become that miracle weapon that can defeat Russia

      Naturally, the appearance of the F-16 in the demilitarization zone, and most importantly, the means of destruction that the F-16 can carry, will somewhat change the realities. NWO supporters did not sign up for this.
  14. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 17 September 2022 15: 46
    +1
    Be sure they will put their tanks and planes and much more. Now for all this there is an intensive training of Ukrainian personnel on their territory.
  15. Horus
    Horus 17 September 2022 17: 35
    0
    May they not give F 16 hats. If they are heavily pumped up with weapons, they will lose their heads, otherwise sheep ready for slaughter suit everyone.