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A similar person talks with similar people ... How is the recruitment to "musicians"

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A similar person talks with similar people ... How is the recruitment to "musicians"
Source: Telegram channel Reverse Side Of The Medal



My material about prisoners who come to work in PMC "Wagner" directly from places of deprivation of liberty has not yet been sent to the archive, as confirmation of this fact appeared, and not only in the form of a story of prisoners, but also video evidence of how recruitment takes place. I confess that some of what I learned from the videos and stories of prisoners was a revelation for me.

For example, the fact that you can become a completely law-abiding person after only six months of participation in the NWO. Or the fact that the death of a PMC employee automatically makes the recidivist criminal not just an honest person, but also a hero worthy of being buried in a memorial cemetery in the small Motherland. I learned a lot of interesting things from the speech of the owner of the PMC in front of the prisoners of the strict regime colony!

I imagined myself in the position of a prisoner and thought about how I would act in this situation. Are the conditions equal? My health or even life against the prospects offered by Prigogine? It is especially interesting if I am in the position of those prisoners who, by their nature, prefer BUR, SUS or kitsch ...

The material that came out on VO caused quite a big resonance among readers, including those who are now “at the owner”. But there was no consensus on the issue of giving recidivists the opportunity to break with the past through the war. And both on one side of the wire, and on the other.

Recruitment through the eyes of a prisoner...


It is probably best to "look" at the recruitment process through the eyes of prisoners. They, due to the fact that they are under constant pressure from the penitentiary system, have an increased sensitivity to deceit. Distrust of the authorities there becomes chronic.

The scene of action is a strict regime colony in one of the border areas. I will quote the source without censorship.

Let's start with how the visit of the "musicians" is furnished. Let me remind you that PMC is a private (!) military company, actually foreign (at the place of registration). And none of the "musicians" is a high-ranking official or a representative of the highest governing bodies of the Federal Penitentiary Service.

“We were told about the visit of the so-called “musicians” to the day. The shift on duty was not released from the zone, the head of the colony took over the responsibility outside the schedule. The deputy for BiOR gathered all orderlies and watchers, announced a complete “stop” on bans, and in return promised a life without shmons and commissions. There was no morning divorce, everyone waited in the barracks until lunchtime for the arrival of the “uprava” employees. So they deliberately told the convicts and junior inspectors.

Agree, such measures are not taken just like that. It is no secret that any inspector has a certain status, in accordance with which the employees of the colony act. And the head of the colony responsible outside the schedule is generally an out of the ordinary event. Yes, and a helicopter right behind the fence of the regime institution is a serious argument in favor of “serious people”.

“Beyond the zone, they didn’t really communicate with anyone, they ignored the courtesies of local officers, they didn’t even consult with anyone ...
Our officers did not know how to communicate with them, they did not remove their hands from their heads, they saluted, as in the army.

But most of all, the convicts were struck by the fact that those who arrived ordered to “raise everyone”. This means that even the most "malicious violators of the regime" were called into service. Those who, upon the arrival of any commission, are not released from the shizo, BUR or SUS.

“They just said that everyone should be lifted up, even the kichu (penalty cell), SUS (detachment where malicious violators of the regime are serving their sentences) and BUR (Single cell-type room), if there is one. Apparently, somewhere the malefactors were not taken out, so they placed accents from the threshold. “Cross” (medical unit), on the contrary, was told not to touch.

Well, the cherry on the cake about the "musicians". I agree, psychologically calculated perfectly. The phenomenon of the "eraser" of all sins to the people.

“The Wagnerites entered the camp itself, led by Prigozhin. All in camouflage with "iron". Very spectacular, their boss has two Hero stars on his chest. Zekov lined up in front of him. He spoke without fear, face to face. He said something like, we are recruiting people to kill: murderers, robbers, everyone is needed.
Like, we are an organized group, you can at least call it that. He reproached that he himself served time and knew the life of a prisoner, and now, look at him, twice a hero. The guests promised the daredevils freedom, money, and then they also left in an organized manner.

I cannot assert that the prisoners personally saw Yevgeny Prigozhin. Therefore, we will use the generally accepted form of doubt - "a person similar to ...". In the same way, I cannot say that it was the “Wagnerites” who came. Anyone who really needed it could call themselves that. Although ... The administration of the colony, it seems to me, does not consist of fools ...

What a man who looked like Yevgeny Prigogine was talking about


I listened carefully to what “Prigozhin” said to the people in the strict regime zone. He spoke honestly, like a man. This is probably the only correct tone when dealing with those who are considered especially dangerous criminals. Do not lie, talk not only about what "sweets" the work of the "musicians" gives, but also what risks the employees have.

“... The war is hard. On everyones there Chechen and so on close not similar. My ammunition consumption is approximately two and a half times more than in Stalingrad "...

I also liked that the rules of work are very clearly stated. Immediately and quite hard. There is no better method for quickly weeding out bad people than the truth. Although Prigozhin calls these rules sins, this is his right. At least in combat, this is indeed a huge sin:

“... The first sin is desertion. Nobody gives back, nobody backs down. Nobody is being taken prisoner. When you are trained, you will be told about two grenades that you must have with you ... ".

“The second sin is alcohol and drugs. As long as you're in the state, you're in a war zone all the time."

“And the third sin is a marauder. And also sexual contacts with local women, flora, fauna, men there and with anyone ... "

I do not remember that PMC fighters were accused of the listed crimes at least somewhere where they "lit up". This means that for the sins of the "musicians", as it should be in any religion, the sinners should be punished. Everything is fair. Everyone knows their future fate, if ...

It is clear that almost any person, especially those who, due to some circumstances, or of their own free will, got involved with crime, wants to “correct” something in their life. But in the case of Wagner, this is not always possible. Time to collect stones and time to scatter stones... You can collect up to a certain age. At the end of life, alas...

Only men aged 22 to 50. Older only in exceptional cases. Well, quite fair. In assault units, physical training is especially important. What about exceptions?.. Sometimes, in addition to good muscles, you need a good thinking head or deep knowledge of the subject.

Mentioned "Prigozhin" and the first battle of prisoners. I would not talk about this fight, if it were not for the epic nature of what was happening, of course, according to the story of the speaker. And for those who hesitated with the choice, this is a good push towards PMCs.

“The first prisoners who fought with me, it was on July 1, the assault on the Ugledar thermal power plant. Strict regime. Relapse. 40 people went into the trenches of the enemy and cut him out with knives. There were three dead and seven wounded. One of the dead is 52 years old. He died heroically...

And then everything is right in the forehead. Without "snot" and beautiful words.

“We only need stormtroopers. 60% of my guys are stormtroopers. You will be no different from us. You will be treated the same as others. Sometimes even more loyal than to those who have been fighting with me for many years. Greyhounds they remain greyhounds, and those who give back, remain in the ass ... "

And now the most important thing, I think. Any person, be it a soldier, a militia, a penitentiary or a convict, does not want to fight forever. The war must end. At least for this particular person. Then, after the end of the first war, a person, perhaps, will go to the second, third, fourth ... But the first must end.

“Next, after six months, go home. Received a pardon. Those who want to stay with us stay with us. There are no options to return to the zone again. Those who come to us and say that he did not get there, we make a mark “deserter”, and after that execution follows” ...

I think those who at least once heard the whistling of the road and the explosions of shells in a nearby forest understood how honest a person who looked like Prigozhin was in a conversation with prisoners. It is honest, and how literate he is in matters of recruiting personnel.

What happens after the "heart-to-heart talk" ...


Let's go back to the prisoner's story. It is clear that after such a chic performance, thoughts arose in the minds of the inmates that “maybe six months there is better than 5-10 years still here” ... And people suffered statements of consent. I can imagine how difficult these decisions were. However, it turned out not to be so simple.

“Over the next eight days, the headquarters received about 700 applications. This is slightly more than half of the entire colony. The procedure for registration is as follows: on their personal files, certificates were drawn up in a new form - they contain not only excerpts from the AKUS (PO FSIN), but also indicating origin, faith, connections (extended information, it was required to indicate up to the true "family members" in the colony ) and other detailed operational information. The papers were sent to Moscow.

That is, the system works in two directions. On the one hand, the PMC selects the stormtroopers it needs, and on the other hand, from those already selected, the authorities select those who can realistically count on a pardon. Automatically becoming a "good" person is not so easy.

“From there, under strict control and in secret (all documents were received and stored in the safe of the Special Department - the special accounting department, which is located in a civilian building outside the zone), “pardons” signed by the Supreme Commander for 200 people came. These papers were not brought into the zone, but this is exactly the case.
That week, before the lights out, military KamAZ trucks arrived at the colony and took these people away. They, it turns out, are now officially free.”

Again, according to observations from the prisoners, one can conclude who PMCs are especially interested in. It is important. Although, given that there are still 500 people in the colony who want to become attack aircraft, and not especially.

Who was pardoned according to the composition of the crimes and what will happen to the rest?

“Several people were taken from the SUS. More than 50 people were taken from one detachment at once. Why? Don't know. Opera, maybe they wrote something. All were mostly convicted of crimes against the person, illegal trafficking weapons or have had military service in the past. For the rest, nothing has yet come, I think, now this is their reserve. ”

Instead of conclusions


I have already expressed my attitude towards prisoners in the war more than once. I will not repeat. PMCs are really at least some way to return to normal life, break away from crime. Therefore, instead of conclusions, I will present one more quote, kindly provided to me by the editor-in-chief. True, this comment did not come to our editorial office, this is a personal answer from Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin to KP journalists.

So, the answer from the protagonist of the material about the "like a person":

“Finally, I heard a wise and concise formulation. As an expert-amateur I can tell you my opinion. It seems to me that a group of unknown persons, who, of course, are not there for all of us, are fighting very well in the Bakhmut direction for the following reasons.
First, they are patriots and cannot allow the disgrace of their Motherland.
Secondly, they are professionals of the highest level and many of them (as it seems to me, looking at the photographs of their inspired faces) have gone through dozens of wars, preparing themselves for the greatest day when their beloved Motherland will have to be defended.
The third, it seems to me, is purely from their own observations and analytics, they have a management system that is debugged to the smallest detail, which may not be the most outstanding personalities, but not finished either ...
I suspect, based on the lessons of the past, present and future, that those who are not finished ... do not use Chanel perfumes and do not dissect in Nappa leather cars, but climb basements and trenches to keep the situation under control.
Let's move on to the next question. Of course, if I were a prisoner, I would dream of joining this friendly team in order to be able not only to redeem my debt to the Motherland, but also to repay it with interest.
And the last remark: those who do not want PMCs to fight, prisoners, who talk about this topic, who do not want to do anything, and in principle who do not like this topic, send your children to the front. Either PMCs and prisoners, or your children - decide for yourself.
In general, if you summarize all your questions, then what does the convicts, PMCs and a man who looks like Prigogine have to do with it? Russia has always been, is and will be under the reliable protection of the Russian army.

I don't need to comment...
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  1. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 06: 14
    +22
    Prisoners under heavy articles in the war. I disagree with this decision.
    We "not starting to fight" (according to Putin), have sunk to such baseness.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 September 2022 06: 29
      +30
      I thought that high military professionals were fighting in PMCs, but it turned out to be criminals and renegades who decided to knock off the term.

      Question. Why mobilization for only six months? And then who should fight? Donbass mobiles are not allowed to go home, but these are welcome.

      Murderers and rapists, whose base instincts are not limited by anything and even by law, returning to civilian life, how long can they hold out until new atrocities?
      Will the victims of violence be satisfied with the explanation that "honest people" have now done this to them, to whom the cook has issued an indulgence? Or something like: "Understand - he fought for you."
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 06: 35
        +19
        Murderers and rapists, whose base instincts are not limited by anything and even by law, returning to civilian life, how long can they hold out until new atrocities?

        We can get organized crime groups with combat experience. It's monstrous.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 06: 47
          +4
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          We can get organized crime groups with combat experience. It's monstrous.

          It will be monstrous to lose this war ... then, indeed, thousands of organized criminal groups without any morality and faith will grow up on the ruins of Russia.
          Our people went through this already in 1917 and during Gorbachev's perestroika.
          1. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 06: 54
            +21
            It will be monstrous to lose this war...

            In order not to lose, you need to fight. And not to invent all sorts of ugly methods and methods of warfare.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 07: 08
              -4
              To fight, you need people who are ready to fight and not invent populist slogans.
              1. Mikhail Sidorov
                Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 07: 27
                +8
                To fight, you need people who are ready to fight and not invent populist slogans.

                What are the slogans? We have not yet dealt blows to critical infrastructure. Can we start?
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 12: 33
                  +1
                  Start...go ahead.
                  Only first find people to advance deep into enemy territory.
                  1. KVIRTU
                    KVIRTU 22 September 2022 19: 29
                    0
                    It's easy to say move on...
                    If intelligence goes to the company, in fact, a stronghold, and they have a thousand people there, half a regiment.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 19 September 2022 07: 37
                +7
                If you recruit criminals for our special operation, then you need to do it somehow differently.

                Fighting for the Motherland and returning an honest name should be a right that a convict (and not everyone!) Should earn (by good behavior, an easy article), and not an opportunity to knock off the term of murderers and rapists (under difficult articles). And not for half a year, but until the end of hostilities. And not necessarily the chef. Donbass mobiles need to be changed for a long time, for example. I am sure that there will be no less people who want such a selection.
              3. IvanSviridov
                IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 43
                +10
                Criminals are not "ready to fight." They are ready for any way to leave the zone. And then see how and what.
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 19 September 2022 08: 48
              +3
              Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
              In order not to lose, you need to fight. And not to invent all sorts of ugly methods and methods of warfare.

              Why invent? This has already been invented long before you! Decree of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the USSR No. 2/3/u of January 22, 1942, Order of the Prosecutor of the USSR of January 16, 1942 No. 04
              Order No. 227 of July 28, 1942 will probably cheer up your memory?
              1. Mikhail Sidorov
                Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 09: 01
                +7
                Why invent? This has already been invented long before you! Decree of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the USSR No. 2/3/u of January 22, 1942, Order of the Prosecutor of the USSR of January 16, 1942 No. 04
                Order No. 227 of July 28, 1942 will probably cheer up your memory?

                Nothing has been done yet. There is no official war, there is no martial law, the full range of weapons has not been used, there is no mobilization.
                The current government has been criticizing the methods of the past for more than thirty years. Comparisons of situations are somewhat inappropriate.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 19 September 2022 09: 49
                  -8
                  Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                  There is no official war, there is no martial law, the full range of weapons has not been used, there is no mobilization.

                  Do you need an official war?
                  Are you waiting for martial law?
                  I watch the baderocommunists waiting for mobilization just like manna from heaven! Putin does not want to repeat the mistakes of Nicholas II, so he does not give this trump card, mobilization, into your hands!
                  Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                  Comparisons of situations are somewhat inappropriate.

                  From what? There is a shortage of manpower both here and there ... you won’t go to the volunteers, you have a completely different task in the rear!
                  1. BSD Fan
                    BSD Fan 21 September 2022 17: 28
                    +1
                    Don't touch the communists! I’m a communist and on Saturday I’m already going to draw up all the papers at the notary’s in case, and then I’m going, and this despite a very warm position and salary with excellent bonuses and unlimited medical insurance ... You can be anyone, but when an existential crisis threatens your homeland, you need to go.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 22 September 2022 07: 36
                      +2
                      Quote from BSD-Fan
                      You can be anyone, but when an existential crisis threatens your homeland, you have to go.

                      This is exactly how it should be!! good soldier
                      Quote from BSD-Fan
                      Don't touch the communists!

                      what Are they untouchable?
                      Quote from BSD-Fan
                      I'm a communist

                      Well...it happens...
                      And you, my friend, good luck and return home alive!!!
                  2. 1939_1940
                    1939_1940 23 September 2022 08: 39
                    -4
                    Well, how will Putin repeat the lessons of Nicholas the Bloody? While everything is clear, according to the patterns ..
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 23 September 2022 09: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: 1939_1940
                      Well, how will Putin repeat the lessons of Nicholas the Bloody?

                      Is there already a Zimmerwald2, or are Zemgor already organizing?? You missed your chance yesterday! wink
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 09: 12
                +11
                Quote: Serg65
                Order No. 227 of July 28, 1942 will probably cheer up your memory?

                Enemies have captured half the country and we have nowhere to retreat further? Troops covered their banners with shame, all hope for mercenaries and prisoners? Who pays PMCs and gives them powers above the law?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 19 September 2022 09: 51
                  -9
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Enemies have captured half the country and we have nowhere to retreat further?

                  Vova, well, for half the country you have a thin gut, and there is no Lenin from Khodarkovsky!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 09: 59
                    +7
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Vova, well, for half the country you have a thin gut, and there is no Lenin from Khodarkovsky!

                    So why did you drag Order No. 227, which was brought to every private? Answer the question.
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Who pays PMCs and gives them powers above the law?
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 19 September 2022 10: 02
                      -11
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      So why did you drag Order No. 227, which was brought to every private?

                      And to the fact that there are a lot of baltuns in Russia, there is no one to fight understand, everyone is hiding behind women's skirts!
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 11: 14
                        +15
                        As your favorite guarantor said: "We haven't started yet." So who pays the musicians?
                      2. frog
                        frog 19 September 2022 11: 18
                        +8
                        They won't answer, you won't even find repeat That is, it can be assumed that a person who looks like Prigozhin pays. Who pays for what...
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 11: 31
                        +10
                        Quote: frog
                        Who pays what and for what?

                        This is the most interesting thing. The state pays contractors, provides conscripts, and then PMCs with their own laws. If you believe a man who looks like Prigogine. So I remember a man with prostitutes, similar to the Prosecutor General.
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 11: 36
                        -9
                        Quote: frog
                        They won't answer, you won't even find

                        Hope dies last..... what Or maybe Zyuganov is sponsoring "concerts"?
                      5. frog
                        frog 19 September 2022 11: 39
                        +2
                        This lady passed away a long time ago. As for Andreich, there are strong doubts. Composers appeared by no means in February. And they were noted in ..... different places. it smells more of imperialism there, but the founder did not tell him wink
                      6. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 11: 50
                        -9
                        Quote: frog
                        but the founder did not tell him

                        Well, yes, well, yes .. The Comintern will help you! bully
                        Quote: frog
                        About Andreich - strong doubts

                        Well, he shouldn’t spend his money on a game, but here the percentage is attractive!
                      7. frog
                        frog 19 September 2022 12: 31
                        -1
                        Well, yes, well, yes .. The Comintern will help you!

                        What side am I on? Ilyich scolded imperialism with vile words, but am I to blame? Why did they drag this goat Comintern lol I have enough of my sins, so mother for them repeat
                        Well, he shouldn’t spend his money on a game, but here the percentage is attractive!

                        Well, I was little interested in the income of the genzyug, due to the utter despondency of the subject))). Yes, and they won’t let him into that circle, there the entrance qualification is not small. From Mr. Gundyaev - he could well wink
                      8. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 12: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: frog
                        Why did they drag this goat Comintern

                        So where are you, if your founder created this malicious organization! And his followers were marked by the promotion of the empire ... sorry, communism in Asia, Africa and L. America!
                        Quote: frog
                        due to the utter despondency of the subject

                        And what, the governors-communists do not unfasten him? Rashkin’s capital is the same past the party cash desk ... I thought at least the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was in order with this ... but no ... recourse
                        Quote: frog
                        From Mr. Gundyaev - he could well

                        Gundyaev already has a large workload, it costs a lot of money to replace the Russian Foreign Ministry in the CIS countries, you know!
                      9. frog
                        frog 19 September 2022 13: 13
                        -7
                        So where are you, if your founder created this malicious organization!

                        Maestro, you should not look for a black cat in an unlit closed volume, especially if there is no volume either. I have no reverence for the communoids, one hundred of those days and none of them. Since it was they who blew all these feats, achievements, and yet the sacrifices with which it was all paid for. So your angry attack didn’t even “plant a beetle”, but simply “left for kefir”.
                        And what, the governors-communists do not unfasten him?

                        We now unfasten everything to everyone. As, however, before. Only the form of the detachable has changed, and even then, not much. In addition, as I already said, I didn’t give a damn about all the governors, regardless of epistemology, there is a small difference there, purely decorative, I would say ....
                        Gundyaev already has a large workload, it costs a lot of money to replace the Russian Foreign Ministry in the CIS countries, you know!

                        It is visible, it has been changed. So with loads everything is ...... kosher. And we kind of started talking for the old ladies, and not for the load?
                      10. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 13: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: frog
                        It is visible, it has been changed.

                        But I’m serious, I won’t say for the entire CIS, but in Central Asia the Orthodox Church does many times more for Russian speakers than Kalashnikov and Lavrov!
                        And we started with faith in the future! hi
                      11. frog
                        frog 19 September 2022 13: 28
                        -1
                        I do not argue. And I'm not saying that he does nothing at all. Unlike some. But it was about money, wasn't it?))
                        In addition to what he does there, and what - in other places - something like that .....
                        Well, they all started for coppers)))
                      12. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 11: 35
                        -4
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        As your favorite garan said

                        Well, yes, he is not your favorite Yeltsin ...
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        So who pays the musicians?

                        Usmanov, Deripaska and Rotenberg.... wink
                        And you, naive soul, thought that from your pocket? lol
                      13. IvanSviridov
                        IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 11: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Usmanov, Deripaska and Rotenberg....

                        Why would? Are there really not enough "closed" budget items to take money from friends? Not by concept. And the Commander-in-Chief is a man of strict concepts.
                      14. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 11: 46
                        -8
                        Quote: Ivan Sviridov
                        the budget is not enough to take money from friends?

                        Why take away, this is a purely voluntary donation ....!
                        Quote: Ivan Sviridov
                        Not according to concepts

                        Concepts, this is with the communists, but here there is only a patriotic impulse!
                      15. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 11: 55
                        +11
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Usmanov, Deripaska and Rotenberg....

                        I just teared up. Guardians of the Slavic world.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, yes, he is not your favorite Yeltsin ...

                        I did not carry flowers to Yeltsin and his monuments.
                      16. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 12: 00
                        -6
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I did not carry flowers to Yeltsin and his monuments.

                        But you constantly tear your shirt for him and for the wonderful 90s!
                      17. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 12: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: Serg65
                        But you constantly tear your shirt for him and for the wonderful 90s!

                        Do not whistle. I am for socialism, not your rotten capitalism with these PMCs.
                      18. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 12: 42
                        -3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Do not whistle

                        Vova, of course I respect the artistic whistle, but I have recorded for your crying about the 90s you love so much ... you are my socialist! laughing
                        By the way, Scholz is the same for socialism, are you not friends?
                      19. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 12: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Vova, of course I respect the artistic whistle, but I have recorded for your crying about the 90s you love so much ... you are my socialist!

                        What do you have written down there, are you our sclerosis? I wrote that I lived well in the 90s thanks to our red director, who himself did not steal and did not give to others, and at a time when the other directors were building mansions and buying geldings, he rode the UAZ, living in an ordinary apartment. And all this was from the Soviet legacy. Look for your entries.
                      20. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 12: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I wrote

                        Well, yes ... as soon as you heard that in the 90s people from Magee's cube to Bush's legs, they immediately began their song about the wonderful life at the car repair plant, because all of Russia fit in the New Moscow outskirts and be different couldn't!
                      21. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 13: 26
                        +8
                        Quote: Serg65
                        as soon as you heard that in the 90s people from Magee's cube to Bush's legs, you immediately began your song about a wonderful life

                        I also wrote that I saw how the rest live, and I didn’t like it all. I’m now surviving from Rolton to Doshirak, a neighbor in the garbage heaps collects beer cans, but people like you don’t see this shit, looking at how a personal imported clunker is standing under the window. The deceased neighbor did not have the Internet, he would have written to you in which place he saw the whole mess of today's brothel.
                      22. Serg65
                        Serg65 19 September 2022 13: 34
                        -6
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I am now switching from Rolton to Doshirak

                        Sell ​​your phone and don’t pay for the Internet, you look and you will indulge in sausage! Vova, it’s not night now and I don’t need to read fairy tales ... especially since your diction is not suitable ... a storyteller! laughing
                      23. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 13: 40
                        +8
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Sell ​​your phone and don’t pay for the Internet, you look and you will indulge in sausage!

                        And what will I buy? A kilo of soy sausage for a month of internet? Who needs my used phones, two out of three of which are donated? Eat sausage yourself, since you didn’t get drunk in the 90s, don’t choke.
                      24. Popov Artyom
                        Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 36
                        +3
                        By the way, the Americans supplied us with "Bush's legs" free of charge through the line of humanitarian aid. But effective managers like VV Putin, who was the chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations of the St. Petersburg mayor's office (that is, the person who distributed the humanitarian aid), let it go to retail chains. For whom the humanitarian aid, and for whom the goods.
              3. Dante Alighieri
                Dante Alighieri 19 September 2022 09: 39
                +13
                Why invent? This has already been invented long before you! Decree of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the USSR No. 2/3/u of January 22, 1942, Order of the Prosecutor of the USSR of January 16, 1942 No. 04
                Order No. 227 of July 28, 1942 will probably cheer up your memory?

                You are confusing warm with soft. Then, a full-fledged martial law was introduced throughout the country, with the corresponding wartime laws, under which any illegal act, both among the military and among the civilian population, was punished as harshly and promptly as possible. Who will punish now for the violation of the rules/sins voiced by Prigogine, if the criminals go into a rage and go to knead not only the enemy troops, but also the civilian population? The same warnaks recruited from other ITTs? Don't make fun of my slippers. Or do you want to put this honorary position on the shoulders of ordinary soldiers? It’s not that they wouldn’t have coped with this, but the question is: should they do it before they cope with the Armed Forces of Ukraine or after?

                The only thing that calms me a little is the presence of at least some kind of "filter", so most likely rapists and pedophiles will not fall into the category of "pardoned". Another question, as commentators correctly noted below, in any case, we will get a layer of "citizens" who frivolously relate to the letter and spirit of the law, but at the same time have full-fledged combat experience. And what it will mean for all of us, we can only guess.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 19 September 2022 09: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Dante
                  Who will punish now for the violation of the rules/sins voiced by Prigogine, if the criminals go into a rage and go to knead not only the enemy troops, but also the civilian population?

                  The zeks have been fighting for two months already, do you have any data on the massacre of the civilian population by them? There is not? Well then, your fantasies remain only your fantasies!
                  1. Dante Alighieri
                    Dante Alighieri 19 September 2022 10: 28
                    +5
                    Well then your fantasies remain just your fantasies

                    Sergei, but you personally, guarantee that this will not happen under any circumstances? Personally, you, and not someone else, are ready to swear by your health and the happiness of your loved ones that this will not happen?
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 19 September 2022 10: 52
                      -7
                      Quote: Dante
                      Sergey, but you personally, guarantee that this will not happen under any circumstances?

                      what Will it become easier for you from my personal guarantees? Ukrainians will once again sing about stolen toilets....and you blame me for this?
                      But seriously, no one will give you guarantees even that even an ordinary soldier will not covet someone else's good! This is a war, and it has its own laws! But the punishment is not canceled even in the war .... if they get caught, they will bang their own, there are no prosecutors in PMCs!
                2. IvanSviridov
                  IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 10: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Dante
                  Who will now punish for violation of the rules/sins voiced by Prigogine
                  And here is the one who will have time to pull the trigger faster.
              4. Gardamir
                Gardamir 19 September 2022 14: 12
                +8
                It's funny how anti-Soviet people like to refer to Soviet laws when it suits them.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 21 September 2022 07: 44
                  +1
                  It's funny when the Banderocommunists offer the current authorities to demolish everything Soviet and not to make capital on it!
              5. stankow
                stankow 19 September 2022 23: 27
                -1
                600,000 prisoners went to the front in WWII. And 82,000 from VOHR.
              6. Sergey Drozdov
                Sergey Drozdov 20 September 2022 18: 25
                0
                It must be recalled that by this order they could get to the front of the ZK for a period of up to 2 years.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 19 September 2022 07: 16
            +14
            lose this war.
            No need to invent anything, use the official point of view. This is not a war, but a special operation, and we have not started yet .. Now, in fact, a month later, negotiations started, Bucha, regrouping, positional battles leading nowhere. Now even the training of professional gangs. Well, where is the question of preserving Russia?
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 07: 27
              -2
              The war can be called whatever you like ... this will not stop it from being a war ... tomorrow the NMD may become the KVO ... the day after tomorrow the Ukronats will be hit by American short-range missiles in the suburbs of Moscow and this war will acquire a different status.
            2. Tim
              Tim 19 September 2022 17: 26
              +1
              I agree with you in about 8-10 months, when they return from the NWO of Ukraine, here in Russia it will come back to haunt us!
              1. Sergey Drozdov
                Sergey Drozdov 20 September 2022 18: 33
                0
                There are many examples, one of them is:
                "In early January 1943, the 57th Army, as part of the strike group of the Don Front (commanded by Lieutenant General, from January 15, Colonel General K.K. Rokossovsky), participated in the encirclement, blocking and defeat of enemy troops near Stalingrad. As part of the army there were the 60th (former 1st) and 61st (former 2nd) separate penal companies.In the southern sector of the encirclement ring, where the troops of the 57th and 64th armies operated, the enemy on the first day held the defense in the north on the eastern bank of the Karavatka gully and along the southwestern bank of the river Chervlenaya.However, on the night of January 11, the enemy’s resistance was broken here as well.During the assault attacks, the commanders of platoons of the 60th separate penal company, lieutenants A.N. Shipunov, P. A. Zhuk, A.G. Bezuglovich, 122 penalists were killed and injured. Particularly heavy battles were from January 23 to 30, when the loss of the company amounted to 139 people wounded and killed. "
        2. AUL
          AUL 19 September 2022 08: 13
          +19
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

          We can get organized crime groups with combat experience. It's monstrous.

          This is only one part of the problem. IMHO, keeping a group of armed criminals at the front who will obey not the commanders, but their godfather, is a very risky occupation. To keep them in check, forces are needed, at least no less than those of these prisoners. Type of detachments of the times of the Second World War. Otherwise, they will stupidly "go into the gap", and even to the enemy. In the desire to defend the Motherland, put an end to crime, start a new life, and so on - I don’t believe a bit, the wrong contingent.
          And one more thing, legal. Wagner declares that for desertion, marauding, etc. - execution. Who trusts and allows a private shop (PMC) to indulge in the execution of citizens of the Russian Federation without trial or investigation, according to what laws? (Convicts are also citizens of the Russian Federation, moreover, they have already been pardoned by the guarantor. Although, to be honest, I don’t feel sorry for them, I feel sorry for the laws .)
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 08: 55
            +5
            Quote: AUL
            Who trusts and allows a private shop (PMC) to indulge in the execution of citizens of the Russian Federation without trial and investigation, according to what laws?

            And who, in general, pays the musicians?
            1. Popov Artyom
              Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 25
              -1
              Taxpayers, who else.
              "Volunteers" get cards from VTB, with a secret payer. People come to the bank office "give me a printout" - "forbidden".
          2. IvanSviridov
            IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 47
            +6
            "Who trusts and allows a private shop (PMC) to indulge in the execution of citizens of the Russian Federation without trial and investigation, according to what laws?" According to the law, they were shot under Stalin. Now the then level of legal support for actions is no longer achievable. We have to act according to the concepts.
          3. Popov Artyom
            Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 30
            +5
            I'll say more. There are no "PMCs" in Russia. We have NO legislation on PMCs! Only CHOPs can be created. The question is - what kind of office is this, which is absolutely ILLEGAL allowed to have heavy weapons, including tanks and aircraft, not to mention the right to kill people extrajudicially?
            A video flashed in the cart the other day, with the detention of a "musician" in a hotel in Voronezh (sort of). How he bullied an armed patrol with machine guns and in armor, even started waving his fists. And this is not even a former convict (who would have let him alone in Russia to live in a hotel). What will happen to us after the end of the war?
        3. Wildcat
          Wildcat 19 September 2022 09: 39
          -2
          With all due respect, you write a little wrong, IMHO.
          We can get organized crime groups with combat experience. It's monstrous.

          That's right, regardless of PMCs, it would be "We will get numerous organized crime groups with combat experience and weapons up to the "wearable collective". And not having moral problems in the form of "do not kill", "do not steal", "do not torture" in any quantity."

          Regarding PMCs, this will be the smallest problem in this sense.
          Judging by the "reviews from the fields" "And what to expect from convicts, they check and, if possible, expand the boundaries of what is permitted - Well, we must pay tribute to the people of Yevgeny Viktorovich, they usually do not rust after this. There have already been executions." https://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/507409.html?view=comments#comments
          In terms of crime control, we will pay tribute to the people of Yevgeny Viktorovich, and the pardoned will be supervised by the relevant structures, IMHO.

          As practice shows (late Soviet and early Russian), unfortunately, the largest number of questions will be on a different line, among those who were not previously involved / did not participate. Those who "do not find themselves in life" and will be "caught up" by crime. Those who are well prepared (and s/k, fortunately, do not belong to them), are motivated, but have no desire to "hunch back for a penny all their lives" (watch the film Rimbaud 1 good or here: https://www.rosbalt.ru/piter/2011/08/18/880458.html).
          It also happened that at first a person was blown up, and then a commemoration was blown up: "On November 10, 1994, Likhodey died as a result of a bomb explosion in the entrance of his own house, his bodyguard V.N. Nurin died with him. He was buried at the Kotlyakovsky cemetery in Moscow. Two years later, on November 10, 1996, during memorial events at Likhodey's grave, a bomb exploded, killing 14 people and injuring 26 more. Among the dead was Likhodey's widow, Elena Krasnolutskaya, financial director of the foundation."
          Of course, statistically, as in any social group, it will not even be tens of percent, but in total it is still a lot ....

          Regarding the idea itself: if on 24.02 the troops began to meet with flowers, there would be no questions.
          But now the option has already been voiced again, not with the whole of Ukraine, but with "protecting the people of Donbass", and if you look at the database card, you can think about the question "that и how long will it be with the line of defense along the Oskol River?"
          So the decision with s / c is not from boredom or a good life, but from the need to do something to solve problems in such unexpected conditions. Who has better ideas - you can send them to the address of the "non-existent PMC". In the meantime, there are no better ideas, IMHO, it will be as it is, "because because" as one very smart person said.

          And of course "reviews from the fields from a famous person": "Wayne Howell September 18, 2022, 13:02:38 UTC This is either a mistake or a last resort. I think that in the end there will be more minuses than pluses. Reviews about them so far are moderately negative. ...... They mostly go to attack aircraft, but according to reviews, the contingent is problematic, they beat a lot. " https://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/507409.html?view=comments#comments
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 19 September 2022 09: 55
            +3
            How does this fit:
            In terms of crime control, we will pay tribute to the people of Evgeny Viktorovich

            And this:
            Reviews about them so far are moderately negative. ...... They mostly go to attack aircraft, but according to reviews, the contingent is problematic, they beat a lot.

            ?
            1. Wildcat
              Wildcat 19 September 2022 10: 19
              -2
              hi
              Hmm, an unexpected question from you.
              Answer: it does not agree in any way, these are different things.
              The first quote says that EB people stop crime by executions.
              In the second quote, an indication of "problem" and negative reviews, but this is no longer in terms of behavior, but in terms of combat capability.
              If you were confused by the dot in the middle of the word "svolo.byat", then this was done by me to avoid the use of obscene vocabulary (instead of the dot, the letter "e").
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 19 September 2022 10: 31
                +2
                Are they different?
                The first message says that crime is being suppressed, that is, discipline is supported by executions.
                The second is that there are obvious problems with discipline.
                Is it possible to understand that the most serious offenses are punished, and the rest have to be put up with?
                1. Wildcat
                  Wildcat 19 September 2022 10: 45
                  +1
                  Ok, got it right with the first quote.

                  The second quote does not deal with issues of discipline, but with issues of combat capability.

                  Is it possible to understand that the most serious offenses are punished, and the rest have to be put up with?
                  hmm, this is a difficult question. This article contains the words "You will be treated the same as others. Sometimes even more loyal than to those who have been fighting with me for many years."As in practice - when the first ones come out for a pardon, we will learn from them.
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer 19 September 2022 11: 05
                    +2
                    Here the question is the interpretation of the phrase "the contingent is problematic, there are a lot of svolo.byat." I decided that this is about discipline, but I will not insist.
                2. connoisseur
                  connoisseur 19 September 2022 14: 47
                  -5
                  that is, discipline is supported by executions.

                  It is clear to me that some of those discussing the emergence of possible problems with the participation of conscripts in military operations. I just don’t see these people’s understanding that these criminals give their consent not only to poking change into the pockets of eternally poor and unfortunate Ukrainians tomorrow in a warm company, but to get a bullet or be torn apart by a shell.
        4. Popov Artyom
          Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 24
          +2
          Actually, the gangs of the 90s happened that way. Hundreds of thousands of people who went through Afghanistan, local conflicts and hot spots (and from different sides) hung around in the country. Dissatisfied people who wanted to live beautifully and did not want to "hunchback for a pittance." Which of the "musicians" now after the war will go to the factory for 30 thousand to work?
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 06: 41
        +4
        high military professionals, but it turned out to be criminals and renegades
        In Belgium, they can cancel a criminal record and close the case if you agree to join the army. This was told to me by an acquaintance, a Frenchman, who spoke with them at joint exercises. There is a similar practice in the USA. It’s not worth talking about the French Legion, there to foreign criminals are given a chance to become respectable Frenchmen.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2022 06: 58
          +18
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          It’s not worth talking about the French Legion, there foreign criminals are given a chance to become respectable Frenchmen.

          Yes. Only not after six months, but after many years of impeccable service
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 07: 01
            +2
            Just not six months later
            And after three (and an interview) or an injury, then automatically. But these people are generally foreigners, not just criminals.
            1. solar
              solar 19 September 2022 10: 53
              +9
              But these people are generally foreigners, not just criminals.

              Candidates for the Legion have been undergoing checks for a long time, including for a criminal record. If at the same time (or already during the service) it turns out that he committed some kind of serious crimes, they will immediately exclude him.
              Everyone was recruited in a row at the beginning of the existence of the legion, now the service there is prestigious and there is no shortage of candidates for a long time, there is a choice.
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        3. connoisseur
          connoisseur 19 September 2022 14: 21
          -9
          Why do we need Belgium, France and the USA? During the Second World War, we had penal battalions with criminals. It seems that the situation with the NWO is in a similar period of the Second World War. Hence the "measures" are similar.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 20 September 2022 13: 18
            0
            A criminal could end up in a penal company, but not in a penal battalion, where the offending officers served.
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 19 September 2022 07: 28
        0
        They took 200 people, 500 remained ..
        It turns out for a year and a half, with a "hook", so after the first six months, the second will go, the reserve, judging by the situation, is still decent there
      4. IvanSviridov
        IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 41
        +1
        I think both sides understand that Russia is not interested in the fact that thousands of serious and especially serious criminals would later return in the status of free people. The authorities are most likely set to dispose of this contingent within a few months. And the contingent, apparently, hopes to dodge somehow.
      5. Pavel73
        Pavel73 19 September 2022 11: 02
        -6
        First, they will be selected. Anyone capable of anything is not needed there. Secondly, it is a forced response to similar actions of the enemy. If the enemy recruits criminals for the war, we have no choice but to act in a similar way. Otherwise, their criminals will kill our law-abiding guys. And thirdly, whether they go over to the enemy or not depends on what this enemy will offer them, and how their criminals will meet them there. Nothing good, no doubt about it. And they know it.
        1. IvanSviridov
          IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 11: 13
          0
          Quote: Pavel73
          If the enemy recruits criminals for the war, we have no choice but to act in a similar way.

          And what does this follow from?
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 19 September 2022 11: 21
            -5
            See above. From the fact that otherwise our law-abiding and innocent guys will have to be put up against the criminals of the enemy.
      6. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 19 September 2022 16: 15
        -1
        Quote: Stas157

        Question. Why mobilization for only six months? And then who should fight? Donbass mobiles are not allowed to go home, but these are welcome.

        When I was doing work to eliminate the consequences of the Chernobyl accident, there was one of us who had served time. As soon as he told the special officers about this, he was immediately sent home.
        I have a question - why are we, law-abiding citizens, honestly working, having, I had two minors, children, had to sacrifice their health, and all sorts of scoundrels do not?
        I believe that all "ZK", regardless of the article, can be involved in the SVO. Forming from them separate, namely assault, units.
        Remember the history of WWII. Penal companies were formed from the volunteers of the "ZK" too.
      7. Edik
        Edik 19 September 2022 17: 26
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        Stas157 (Stas)

        That there is no son? Or is there and he is fighting?
        Quote: Stas157
        I thought that high military professionals were fighting in PMCs

        There are many such in PMC Wagner who passed Syria.
      8. businessv
        businessv 19 September 2022 21: 57
        -2
        Quote: Stas157
        Murderers and rapists, whose base instincts are not limited by anything and even by law, returning to civilian life, how long can they hold out until new atrocities?
        Replied to the first post, and here you are! smile If you carefully read the article, then out of 700 people they sent 200 - that is, only 28,5% were recognized as fit - not so much, which speaks of a serious selection, and not hope for a chance. Serious crimes are not only rapists and murderers, as you think, and the war brings up much faster than the zone, who knows - they won’t let you lie.
      9. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 September 2022 22: 36
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        I thought that high military professionals were fighting in PMCs, but it turned out to be criminals and renegades who decided to knock off the term.

        "Do not swear off the bag and the prison" - have you heard this? Today you are at home, and tomorrow you go to work and absolutely unwillingly knocked down a person .. and here you are among those who were called renegades. A strict regime does not mean that murderers and rapists are sitting there without exception. The same thief who has a relapse (several walkers under the same article) is already a recidivist.
        Quote: Stas157
        Question. Why mobilization for only six months? And then who should fight? Donbass mobiles are not allowed to go home, but these are welcome.
        This is, along the way, the minimum contract term for this contingent. Someone will confine himself to the first contract and go "to freedom" at the end of it, someone will extend it and remain for another contract, and someone will not work out the first contract due to the transition to "irretrievable losses". In principle, the conditions for contract servicemen from other categories of citizens are the same.
        Quote: Stas157
        Murderers and rapists, whose base instincts are not limited by anything and even by law, returning to civilian life, how long can they hold out until new atrocities?
        You may be surprised, but every day dozens (hundreds) of prisoners are released on parole or after serving a sentence, and even more during an amnesty. Many do not even reach their place of residence and not a small part returns, but a part ties up and returns with the intention of returning to normal life.
        Quote: Stas157
        Will the victims of violence be satisfied with the explanation that "honest people" have now done this to them, to whom the cook has issued an indulgence? Or something like: "Understand - he fought for you."
        Do you have statistics on how many people who had no previous convictions, but who went through hot spots and had "war syndrome" committed crimes and became prisoners? And there are such, but they are sitting on a common basis without this here - "Understand - he fought for you." These, perhaps, having gone through the war, on the contrary, will never return to the zone, because they will begin to understand life in a completely different way and "prison romance" will fly off from them. So, everything is conditional.
      10. 72jora72
        72jora72 19 September 2022 23: 05
        0
        And then who should fight?
        May be you? Don't want to sign a contract? Mine ends in October, here's the subиsew, and take my place.
      11. ZeeD
        ZeeD 20 September 2022 19: 25
        0
        Let's start with the fact that you do not know who was "taken" by PMCs.

        Just as an example: a person bought a fake medical certificate or travel card. They catch him. It is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE - forgery of documents. He will have a criminal record. He is a notorious bandit and there is no faith in him ever again?
        A person received an excessive social payment for a couple of months while holding documents. This is also an article of the Criminal Code - similarly?
        The guy quarreled and broke up with the girl, and she declared rape - in general, a particularly serious article of the Criminal Code. Is he a monster now too? And if for the first two examples they don’t put you in jail - only a criminal record and a fine (well, maybe an arrest or something), then for the third varicose you can sit down thoroughly. And there are many such examples. Again, for fights with the TTP, or reckless murder, you can sit down well.

        So, it’s not worth shouting “byada-pazor” right away. Moreover, less than a third of those who wished were taken there - which means they were selected according to some criteria and carefully coordinated "above".
      12. TIR
        TIR 20 September 2022 21: 28
        0
        And now remember how beautifully it all began in February - missile strikes, planes and helicopters, an offensive hundreds of kilometers a day. And how many then there were retreats. That gesture of good will, the alignment of the front. In fact, the operation was built according to the Crimean scenario. Moreover, a backup plan in the event of a rebuff was not even considered. The most important thing in the war, namely the capture of key cities, was simply ignored. The whole operation was built on an adventure. Even any colonel from the Second World War would have made this operation much more real. Well, we did not have modern Shaposhnikovs, Zhukovs and Rokosovskys. And those that are, continue to plan everything straightforwardly. We are not even technically ready for this war, let alone morally. Identified miscalculations and problems are trying to hide or make victories out of them. If it were not for bloggers in the field, then we would all sit in a puddle
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 06: 42
      +4
      I don’t know, I don’t know ... it’s probably better to give the convict such a choice ... either to rot in prison all his life or to return freedom risking his life for the good of the country ..
      Everyone has their own moral here ... it's probably better than sending 18-year-old conscripts ... still fledgling boys to death.
      There will be fewer tragedies in families.
      War is generally a dirty business and it is wrong to talk about morality in it with white gloves.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 September 2022 06: 58
        +9
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        it is better to give the prisoner such a choice

        The prisoner made his choice by committing a crime. What the released Ukrainian convicts do later has already been written. Do you think Russian convicts, some other criminals, are better?
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 07: 14
          -8
          Ukrainian prisoners are encouraged to kill civilians... and ours, judging by the article, will face immediate execution for this... do not confuse cutlets with flies.
          1. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 07: 29
            +11
            and ours, judging by the article, will face an immediate execution for this ... do not confuse cutlets with flies.

            Who is a gentleman like E. Prigozhin to decide who should live and who should die. Sins...
            We see the Lord God.
            We live in the state, not in a gang.
            1. Popov Artyom
              Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 38
              0
              we live by the rules for a long time. So, in a band.
          2. Engineer
            Engineer 19 September 2022 07: 39
            +9
            Not judging by the article, but judging by the words of Mr. Prigozhin. It is especially interesting how control will be carried out in a closed PMC, where, in addition, convicts fight in separate units.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 19 September 2022 07: 58
              +3
              wondering how it will be controlled
              Who cares. Prigogine is "his" you know who. By the way, I wonder why two stars.
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 19 September 2022 08: 19
                +6
                I know who.
                By the way, I wonder why two stars.

                One Hero of the Russian Federation, one Donetsk or Luhansk.
                Apparently, for Severodonetsk. The first peak of Wagner's advertising came precisely for the battles of Lisichansk-Severodonetsk.
                https://md.tsargrad.tv/news/jekspert-rasskazal-kak-bojcy-chvk-vagner-veli-boi-za-severodoneck-i-za-chto-ih-bojatsja-vsu_564886
                The fighting ended on July 4, and on August 4, Prigozhin was already saluting new awards in front of the IK contingent.
                Although they could give it simply for "length of service" and loyalty. Like a dono-academician or Kiriyenko.
              2. IvanSviridov
                IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 52
                -2
                One for good service. The second is for a massage.
        2. Pavel73
          Pavel73 19 September 2022 11: 10
          0
          It is important to consider each case individually. I have a childhood friend of a convict who served time for group (!) rape (!!), with car theft. Moreover, he received the term more than anyone else, since he took all the blame and covered up his fellow accomplices. Although the victim herself claimed that he did not touch her. And all his participation was only the actual car theft, since he was the only one from the whole company who knew how to drive a car. At the same time, by nature, he was not a bandit or a thief. It’s just that the family is dysfunctional, and without friends he couldn’t do it. That's how I got into the gang.
      2. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 07: 02
        0
        There will be fewer tragedies in families.
        War is generally a dirty business and it is wrong to talk about morality in it with white gloves.

        The decision to involve convicts in military operations humiliates our fighters. How should the fighters of the Russian Guard, Omon, SOBR, literally "yesterday" detain them, and now they are fighting side by side?
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 07: 08
          +2
          fighters of the Russian Guard, Omon, SOBR
          From personal experience, just law enforcement officers do NOT experience some mixture of fear and hatred for their "clients", unlike the townsfolk.
          1. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 07: 18
            +4
            From personal experience, just law enforcement officers do NOT experience some mixture of fear and hatred for their "clients", unlike the townsfolk.

            From personal experience. I have somewhat different memories of the statements and attitudes of employees towards their "clients". hi
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 08: 13
              -1
              Well, what kind of statements, for example, were made to the late Colonel Budanov ... also, as you know, condemned by our state?
          2. Pilot
            Pilot 19 September 2022 07: 38
            +6
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            fighters of the Russian Guard, Omon, SOBR
            From personal experience, just law enforcement officers do NOT experience some mixture of fear and hatred for their "clients", unlike the townsfolk.
            Did a former law enforcement officer and now a refugee from the Russian Federation find a kindred spirit in criminals? Maybe that's why you are there, in London, where there is no extradition?
            There are mixed feelings on the topic, because we do not have a war, but an NWO, and therefore any illegal methods will give rise to even greater lawlessness. In the conditions of a declared war, they are quite acceptable, there are other criteria and morality. Our chess players are muddy, and some of them were sitting - hence the muddy actions. I remember how a few months ago we condemned Khokhlostan for mobilizing criminals, and now we ourselves are in this ... sad I believe that not only all of these "volunteers" will return home in six months, employers do not need this toothy and experienced mass in the wild. Just like that, a little, for a bravura editorial .. winked
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 19 September 2022 08: 02
              +4
              we condemned Khokhlostan for the mobilization of criminals, and now we ourselves are in this.
              This is not the first time. For example, they laughed at their National Guard, and then they ordered from above to create a National Guard in Russia. By the way, according to the law, the National Guard of Russia is called, and not the Russian Guard.
              1. forty-eighth
                forty-eighth 19 September 2022 13: 40
                -2
                Quote: Gardamir
                according to the law, it is called the National Guard of Russia, not the Russian Guard

                According to the law, the Russian Guard is the official abbreviated name of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation.
                You can call the Federal Service ..., the National Guard or the Russian Guard. It will be equally correct. Calling the "National Guard" is wrong.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 19 September 2022 14: 08
                  0
                  Article 1. Troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation and their mission
                  The troops of the national guard of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the troops of the national guard) are a state military organization designed to ensure state and public security, protect the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.

                  The law is called RUSSIAN FEDERATION

                  THE FEDERAL LAW

                  ABOUT THE TROOPS OF THE NATIONAL GUARD OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                  1. forty-eighth
                    forty-eighth 19 September 2022 14: 22
                    +2
                    Every time the same thing. I can't understand why you persist in your stupidity? At least once they showed their "National Guard" in official sources (and not the National Guard, but the National Guard, which you mentioned above).
                    Here is paragraph 1 of Art. 1 UP RF "On the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation"

                    The Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation (Rosgvardia) is a federal executive body responsible for the development and implementation of state policy and legal regulation in the field of activity of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the National Guard Troops), in the field of arms trafficking, in the field of private security activities, in the field of private detective activities and in the field of private security.

                    The National Guard is the central command and control body of the National Guard troops.

                    To fulfill the tasks assigned to the troops of the National Guard and ensure their activities, the National Guard creates: structural units of the central apparatus of the National Guard; territorial bodies of the Russian Guard; military units of the National Guard troops; units (bodies) of the National Guard Troops in which persons with special police ranks serve (hereinafter referred to as the units (bodies) of the National Guard Troops); organization of the National Guard.



                    Here is a screenshot from the official website of the Russian Guard. Come check it out. Where is the National Guard?
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 16: 34
              +1
              you are there, in London, where there is no extradition
              I am originally a citizen of Latvia.
              found a kindred spirit in criminals
              I had a chance to talk a lot with the worldly-wise.
              Former law enforcement
              And then by-just had a chance to talk a lot and with the worldly-wise on the other side of the lattice.
          3. Popov Artyom
            Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 40
            -2
            Do you know the opinion of the convicts? Of course, they are different, but there are also many ideological ones.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 19: 47
              +1
              a lot of ideological ones.
              Ideological - in the sense of denying / aueshnik? In this case, according to the concepts, having agreed to the proposal to fight, he becomes "red", a traitor to the thieves' idea. And to "their" he has no road.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 19 September 2022 22: 51
                -2
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                a lot of ideological ones.
                Ideological - in the sense of denying / aueshnik? In this case, according to the concepts, having agreed to the proposal to fight, he becomes "red", a traitor to the thieves' idea. And to "their" he has no road.

                Past. A red convict will be if he cooperates with the administration, there are no "concepts" about the war, because. there are not a few in the zone and those who fought. According to thieves in law, maybe because. they should not have a family or children, and they should not work, vpadlu. But war is such a thing, when the occupier comes to cut off his head, then the thieves will grab the trunks, where the concepts will go.
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 23: 32
                  +1
                  there are no "concepts" about the war
                  "He wore shoulder straps - red" - this is a cross on the career of a criminal. The state - and any - is considered an enemy. But yes, not everyone lives there according to the concepts.
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 19 September 2022 23: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    "He wore shoulder straps - red" - this is a cross on the career of a criminal.
                    This is if the shoulder straps are Cop or Fsinovsky, but this does not apply to the army, except for explosives of course. For them, the zones are separate, that is, "red". I don’t know, maybe abroad, according to concepts in general, all shoulder straps are not held in high esteem, I won’t argue.
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 19 September 2022 23: 59
                      +3
                      abroad by concept
                      Abroad, in general, there are no "concepts" as such - the former cop in England sits with everyone else. The attitude towards the military in the Zekov environment seems to be "neither fish nor fowl."
                      separate zones, that is, "red"
                      From there, recruiting legionnaires would be .. more decent, or something.
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 20 September 2022 00: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        abroad by concept
                        Abroad, in general, there are no "concepts" as such - the former cop in England sits with everyone else. The attitude towards the military in the Zekov environment seems to be "neither fish nor fowl."
                        separate zones, that is, "red"
                        From there, recruiting legionnaires would be .. more decent, or something.
                        But who knows, maybe they are recruiting from there. Why not? winked
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 07: 12
          -9
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          The decision to involve convicts in military operations humiliates our fighters.

          And you ask these fighters.
          Are they ready to storm and die at any moment... knowing that mothers, wives, children are waiting for them at home... or is it better to entrust it to people who are ready to atone for their sin at the cost of their lives.
          1. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 19 September 2022 07: 22
            +5
            And you ask these fighters.
            Are they ready to storm and die at any moment... knowing that mothers, wives, children are waiting for them at home... or is it better to entrust it to people who are ready to atone for their sin at the cost of their lives.

            If these fighters came there to defend their Motherland, then I know what they will answer.
            If they came for other reasons, they will support your opinion.
            I am sure that such concepts as Dignity and Honor have not become obsolete among the security forces.
          2. IvanSviridov
            IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 55
            0
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            willing to atone for their sin at the cost of their lives
            Are they READY for this? Or to "lean back" from the zone, get weapons and leave Russia? Maybe they have their own selfish interest?
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 19 September 2022 16: 32
              -2
              Quote: Ivan Sviridov
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              willing to atone for their sin at the cost of their lives
              Are they READY for this? Or to "lean back" from the zone, get weapons and leave Russia? Maybe they have their own selfish interest?

              Some don't, and some may have. The whole question is - and the one who has such a selfish interest, will it be possible to carry it out?
              I read a lot of comments, most of them are just pure chivalry.
              Nothing to do with the realities of war.
              If one of these sissies is, do not bring and have mercy, die, then he will certainly push the hand of the rescuer just because the rescuer is "ZK". So?
            2. Popov Artyom
              Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 45
              -2
              With a mass recruitment, of course, cases of defections will also begin.
              Everyone understands perfectly well that these are "death battalions". They have no right to refuse a combat mission, no matter how monstrous and ridiculous it may be. There is only one choice - to die. And from the realization of such a choice at night it is darker, they can get out to the neutral zone at night darker. In the Red Army during the Second World War, for example, in connection with this, single guards and secrets on the front line were banned. Only in a couple. To run away together - it is necessary to agree, the risks are high.
        3. vitvit123
          vitvit123 19 September 2022 07: 33
          +1
          This is in the sense of saving the lives of our soldiers, humiliates? That is, if someone goes to their death for a soldier, is this a humiliation? Damn, and we did not know when we were ..
          I wish someone went on a mission for me, and I sat in the pvd, and even received money, but we never dreamed of such happiness ..
        4. Stas157
          Stas157 19 September 2022 09: 22
          +6
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          The decision to involve convicts in military operations humiliates our fighters. How should the fighters of the National Guard, Omon, SOBR deal with such a decision they literally "yesterday" detained them, and now they fight side by side?

          Warring felons mow down their sentences. What can the soldiers of SOBR, OMON, National Guard fighting side by side feel like fighting side by side ... maybe that they are also serving some kind of punishment?
        5. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 19 September 2022 11: 13
          -3
          Literally "yesterday" your pseudo-communist brethren in the VO blasphemed the employees of the Russian Guard in articles, calling everyone names ... and "praetorians" (this is the most harmless) and other epithets. Look especially at the articles for the days of the BB and FSVNG holidays, by March 27. This is the first.
          Second - don't like warring convicts??? So what's the problem? All allegedly communist brethren, led by Stasik, to the military enlistment office and volunteers. Do you remember the song? Komsomol Volunteers. So prove your "ideals" and "principles" by deed? And you don't have them. You have only one principle - Zvizdet with or without from your sofa.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 19 September 2022 11: 48
            +3
            Quote: Okolotochny
            So prove your "ideals" and "principles" by deed? And you don't have them. You have only one principle - to call with or without reason from your sofa

            Are you so upset, like a victim? Do you hope all is well? Have a good day!))
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 21 September 2022 09: 29
              +2
              Stasik, the drain is counted. Common phrases and plus signs from brainless slogans. You are not capable of more. On mobilization all in a crowd.
          2. User_neydobniu
            User_neydobniu 19 September 2022 11: 50
            +4
            Volunteer Komsomol members". So prove your "ideals" and "principles" by deed?

            So they are not Hurray-zaputintsy, but just you. So the patriots should be the first to go and defend the interests of the oligarchy and the ruling elite. But all your patriotism towards Edru ends with screams at VO)
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 21 September 2022 09: 28
              +3
              A decree has been announced to you and the rest of the stasiks, now let's see who is worth what. Now your camarilla will raise tacos. Stalin did the right thing with you - such ardent yelling against the wall.
          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 19 September 2022 23: 12
            -2
            All allegedly communist brethren, led by Stasik, to the military enlistment office and volunteers.
            No, they will engage in moralizing on combat sofas.
      3. IvanSviridov
        IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 50
        0
        Nobody (almost) talks about morality. But what is the LEGAL difference between the detachments of armed criminals being created now and ordinary gangs?
      4. AdAstra
        AdAstra 20 September 2022 20: 28
        0
        Their conditions of "rotting" are often better than your children in kindergarten or school.
    3. IVZ
      IVZ 19 September 2022 07: 07
      0
      If we don’t touch on ethics... well, but still, if we don’t touch it, we get replenishment for an elite unit that performs very risky and costly tasks in terms of drug losses. At the same time, we reduce the number of convicts and the cost of their maintenance. That's disgusting to himself, but sort of right. As for the post-war behavior of this contingent (it blows the roof off ordinary people) after the war, we'll see.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 19 September 2022 08: 47
        +4
        Quote: IVZ
        If we don’t touch on ethics... well, but still, if we don’t touch it, we get replenishment for an elite unit that performs very risky and costly tasks in terms of drug losses. At the same time, we reduce the number of convicts and the cost of their maintenance. That's disgusting to himself, but sort of right. As for the post-war behavior of this contingent (it blows the roof off ordinary people) after the war, we'll see.

        What is there to think? There will be a bunch of hardened criminals with professional military training, combat experience, excellent connections with the same shooters and contacts in PMCs, as well as the army, allowing them to get as many military barrels as they need. The criminal world will shudder from these stormtroopers arranging a new division of spheres of influence and bringing their orders in cities.
        1. Stils
          Stils 19 September 2022 09: 37
          +1
          Most likely in six months no one will be left alive. Disposal...
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 September 2022 09: 38
            0
            Quote: Stils
            Most likely in six months no one will be left alive. Disposal...

            If everyone is disposed of, then very quickly these guys will begin to run across to the enemy side with entire units, shooting officers, and those who are in the zones will already be notified of what is happening.
            1. IvanSviridov
              IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 10: 12
              +1
              But the alternative to "disposal" would be the return to Russia of bandits organized into informal groups trained in the coordinated use of weapons. Not to mention that a certain number of barrels will be lost during the hostilities in the most amazing way. A reasonable ruler of such people will still "consume" them as soon as they are needed.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 19 September 2022 10: 19
                +3
                Quote: Ivan Sviridov
                But the alternative to "disposal" would be the return to Russia of bandits organized into informal groups trained in the coordinated use of weapons. Not to mention that a certain number of barrels will be lost during the hostilities in the most amazing way. A reasonable ruler of such people will still "consume" them as soon as they are needed.

                A reasonable ruler will not mobilize urks at all. Moreover, they were prescribed a period of only 6 months, obviously the SVO will drag on for a much longer time. So you have to regularly release more and more new crowds into the country. So that the flow of new ones does not end at the front.
      2. IvanSviridov
        IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 57
        -2
        Quote: IVZ
        At the same time, we reduce the number of convicts and the cost of their maintenance.
        I think the convicts also understand this and will act on the basis of the obviousness that they are not expected to return alive.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 47
      +2
      Eh, you got scared. Pleases. laughing In the Second World War, the penalty box fought. And bathed in blood. How is the situation different now? The country needs assault infantry. It is no longer a secret to anyone that up to 10 percent of contractors in some units got scared and broke contracts. They came to the army for a military mortgage and a pension at 40, and not to fight. belay Well, the good news is that those who will now join the army and the National Guard will know that they may have to fight. Tch shit is eliminated. Although it would not hurt to identify these guys in the penalty box.
      I have a positive attitude to the recruitment of ZK for assault squads. A good way to give people a second chance and apply for the benefit of the country. Plus, it will turn out to unload the colonies a little.
      What about not being released? A month of training, then 5 months of assault. What is the percentage of survivors after 5 months of assault battles? As Vysotsky sang - "who cares about the order, but the majority cares about the tower." Well, you don’t like the idea - go yourself to storm the fortified positions of the Saloreikh. Who is not given? Volunteer units and subunits are formed in all regions. request
      The only thing you need to understand is that this is a temporary measure. It is necessary to increase the SW by 2 times. This is not the last war, and you need to have a backbone of trained pros who are able to fight and around whom the meat will grow.
    5. businessv
      businessv 19 September 2022 21: 26
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Prisoners under heavy articles in the war. I disagree with this decision.
      Yes, you wait with categoricalness! Out of 700 applicants, 200 were chosen - does it tell you anything? And not everyone who is convicted under a serious article is guilty - it's not for me to talk about this, this is a well-known fact. I think the selection is going on seriously, and if we also take into account where the convicts are sent and for what purpose, then in fact it is not so bad. You are not plus or minus, any opinion deserves respect.
    6. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 20 September 2022 00: 11
      +1
      Mikhail Sidorov:
      sunk to such a low


      — Why are you surprised? And the fact that the Chechens have created an army loyal to one person does not bother you at least a little?

      —- This is the first war of capitalist Russia, without a dominant ideology. Where schools do not educate, they do not teach “what is good and what is bad” ... You talk to those born after the 80s, they are unlikely to be surprised ..

      —-The foundation of capitalism contains both the mover of money and selfishness. "Great and eternal" is not the building material of capitalism.

      —-After the immortal “take power into your own hands”, there is nothing to be surprised after the results of 7 months, unfortunately.
    7. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 September 2022 09: 26
      -1
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Prisoners under heavy articles in the war. I disagree with this decision.
      We "not starting to fight" (according to Putin), have sunk to such baseness.

      And how to trust such a person? So you, A. Staver, will you go on reconnaissance with a recidivist killer?
    8. Andrey72
      Andrey72 20 September 2022 12: 40
      0
      The second Chechen was with the use of convicts and sentenced. I don't remember making a tragedy out of this.
  2. Bobik012
    Bobik012 19 September 2022 07: 09
    -2
    Let's go back to the prisoner's story
    From there, under strict control and in secret (all documents were received and stored in the safe of the Special Department - the special accounting department, which is located in a civilian building outside the zone), "pardons" signed by the Supreme Commander for 200 people came. These papers were not brought into the zone

    Fabulously informed convict .... laughing
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 19 September 2022 07: 13
    +12
    What a storm of indignation there was that the Tornado criminals were being released from prisons. But the Russian Federation went the same way. Wouldn't it be easier for a "person who looks like..." to curtail international "projects" and transfer thousands of professionals closer to their homeland?
  4. ALARI
    ALARI 19 September 2022 07: 26
    +5
    But what about the rights of the victims, they have the right to a fair punishment of the offender?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 08: 00
      -9
      Quote: ALARI
      But what about the rights of the victims, they have the right to a fair punishment of the offender?

      We have thousands of life-sentenced... they live enjoying the life that they took away from their victims... incomprehensible humanity, damn it... they are supported by their taxes by the relatives of those who were killed by these ghouls.
      So it's better not to talk about justice here.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 19 September 2022 08: 11
        +4
        You are right about life imprisonment and I am for it. But at least they sit and suffer. But I consider the legislation as it is at the moment and there is no such thing as blood atonement. In our country, only the court can cancel or change the sentence, and then some similar person replaces the law and massively cancels legal sentences.
        1. Stils
          Stils 19 September 2022 09: 39
          +3
          Quote: ALARI
          You are right about life imprisonment and I am for it. But at least they sit and suffer. But I consider the legislation as it is at the moment and there is no such thing as blood atonement. In our country, only the court can cancel or change the sentence, and then some similar person replaces the law and massively cancels legal sentences.

          What do you mean, cancel the sentences? They are all pardoned by the Supreme. And then their life and soul belongs to Mr. Prigozhin for six months
          1. IvanSviridov
            IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 10: 14
            0
            Quote: Stils
            And then their life and soul belongs to Mr. Prigogine for six months

            In theory. And without any legal basis.
          2. solar
            solar 19 September 2022 19: 12
            +1
            They are all pardoned by the Supreme. And then their life and soul belongs to Mr. Prigogine for six months

            what kind of law provides for this?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 19 September 2022 23: 11
              0
              Quote from solar
              They are all pardoned by the Supreme. And then their life and soul belongs to Mr. Prigogine for six months

              what kind of law provides for this?

              Contract.
              1. solar
                solar 20 September 2022 11: 43
                -2
                A contract for the soul is not for the earthly part.

                And the contract for life is also not encouraged by the Criminal Code.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 20 September 2022 12: 14
                  0
                  Quote from solar
                  A contract for the soul is not on the earth side. Yes, and the contract for life is also not encouraged by the Criminal Code.
                  If we return from ranting about the soul and morality to harsh reality, then the bottom line is contract. yes
                  1. solar
                    solar 20 September 2022 12: 41
                    -1
                    There is a contract, but it is unlikely that life and soul are recorded as its subject :))
        2. IvanSviridov
          IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 09: 59
          +6
          Well, according to the story, they all get pardons up front. laughing
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 48
          -2
          The pardon is not signed by Prigogine. And he can't undo anything. He said quite to the point. If you don't like it, send your children to the trenches.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 19 September 2022 18: 59
            -1
            That is, the criminals now have a fork to sit, or in six months all of his heroism will be written off. I don’t like it and incompetence cannot be corrected with anyone’s lives.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 19 September 2022 23: 48
              -1
              If he survives these six months, then everything can be written off to him. You can hardly imagine what half a year of a meat grinder is. I repeat. If you don't like it, you can replace them when storming enemy trenches.
              1. Popov Artyom
                Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 03: 36
                -3
                I would replace them with patriots who have been screaming about the need for war with Ukraine for 8 years now. It happened, the war is on! Come on, your time has come.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 20 September 2022 11: 25
                  +1
                  30 years ago, when the union collapsed, it was obvious to me that we would fight with Ukraine. During these 30 years, we have been on the brink of war 4 times. That's just for you, it all happens all of a sudden. Like everything was fine and suddenly the war. belay
                  PM shouted someone or not, but 30 years ago it was clear that war was inevitable. Well, by the way, my brother-in-law recently signed a contract. Although he didn't seem to scream. wink
              2. ALARI
                ALARI 20 September 2022 07: 38
                0
                I did not start this meat grinder, so there is no need to hide behind me and my children.
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 September 2022 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: ALARI
          You are right about life imprisonment and I am for it. But at least they sit and suffer. But I consider the legislation as it is at the moment and there is no such thing as blood atonement. In our country, only the court can cancel or change the sentence, and then some similar person replaces the law and massively cancels legal sentences.

          The President can pardon anyone, as long as the petition is
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 21 September 2022 20: 35
            -1
            This is the leg of someone who needs a leg. That's right. So it must be otherwise.
    2. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 19: 49
      -4
      Moreover, from the salary of the prisoner, they are paid compensation in a criminal case. And with a pardon, all measures of criminal punishment are removed from the convict.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 September 2022 23: 16
        0
        Quote: Popov Artyom
        Moreover, from the salary of the prisoner, they are paid compensation in a criminal case. And with a pardon, all measures of criminal punishment are removed from the convict.

        Why do you think so? The claim is not a term, according to the court it is personal and from all sources of income, that is, "from and to repayment."
        1. Popov Artyom
          Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 03: 34
          -1
          Compensation for damages is part of the punishment, part of criminal liability Pardon exempts from liability in its entirety, including a criminal record. https://epp.genproc.gov.ru/ru/web/proc_26/activity/legal-education/explain?item=61162816
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 19 September 2022 07: 36
    +26
    Everything about this story is great.
    A set of convicts followed by two weeks learning. Fairy tales about two grenades and "failure to be captured" - captured mercenaries - imprisoned Wagnerites have already been shown by the Ukrainian side. Cat lamp stories about cutting out the enemy with knives in the trenches.
    Of course, the path is open for all kinds of abuses - if you have a certain amount, you can agree with the structure of Mr. Prigogine and live without shining for half a year, being listed as a member of the database, and after six months you can officially be released.
    Is it beauty?

    Well, a cake for a cherry - a recidivist criminal, a defendant in many scandals with the supply of low-quality food to schools and the army, got his own army, only controlled by him and received the title of Hero of Russia. That's what proximity to the body of the guarantor means.
    1. IvanSviridov
      IvanSviridov 19 September 2022 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      if there is a certain amount, it is possible to agree with the structure of Mr. Prigozhin

      It can not be! Corruption in Russia? So cheeky? And how can a PMC do this without any legal status? laughing
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 19 September 2022 10: 07
        +9
        It can not be! Corruption in Russia? So cheeky? And how can a PMC do this without any legal status?

        1. g1v2
          g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 50
          -7
          How beautiful it is, like the farts of the Saloreikhov sixes burn. Please don't stop. fellow
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  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 September 2022 07: 44
    +4
    Do not swear off the bag and prison. Fate plays people so much that today someone is on a horse, and tomorrow it may be aphids under the fence. I will neither condemn nor agree with this. I may not agree with the films of violence, but they go and are put on stream. You never know what we can disagree with, no one asks us.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 08: 04
      -12
      Some members of the forum simply were not under the pressure of life and argue from the point of view of a normal, non-stressful situation.
      I remember during the Chechen campaign, homeless people were taken into the army... and people rejected by our society fought well.
      They washed, scrubbed, fed a man ... gave him the meaning of life and he turned out to be a good fighter.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 19 September 2022 23: 54
        -3
        I remember during the Chechen campaign, homeless people were taken into the army... and people rejected by our society fought well.
        For some reason, local "experts" forget that among the militias of 14-15 there were a huge number of ZKs, both former and released from the Donbass zones. We even had a joke...the most demanded service in the Donbass is the reduction of tattoos .
        P.C. Many of these guys are still serving in the Corps.......
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 19 September 2022 08: 06
    -13
    Quote: A. Staver
    Either PMCs and prisoners, or your children - decide for yourself.

    "Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself"

    Nothing is new. Everyone fought in the Second World War - both those and others, and still others. Either way, it's not right. Only together we will defeat the enemy. All blood is the same color.
  8. odometer
    odometer 19 September 2022 08: 29
    +3
    It is terrible to see how the state flies into the abyss sad
  9. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 19 September 2022 08: 40
    -6
    Quote: curvimeter
    It is terrible to see how the state flies into the abyss sad

    The state flew into the abyss under Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... then there was complete hopelessness.
    Now you can more or less live ... no one dies of hunger.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 September 2022 08: 56
      -9
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The state flew into the abyss under Gorbachev and Yeltsin ..

      This is about Ukraine laughing
  10. nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 September 2022 08: 45
    -9
    Some confuse PMCs with the Penal Battalion, which was organized a year after the start of the war. PMCs have higher rates. Captivity is excluded for them. Either or.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 September 2022 09: 02
      -7
      Quote: nikvic46
      Some confuse PMCs with Shtrafbat

      In order to have a clear image of what is happening, one must look not at the word that this or that phenomenon is called, but at the very essence of this phenomenon.
    2. Gvardeetz77
      Gvardeetz77 19 September 2022 09: 35
      +10
      Captivity is excluded for them. Either or.

      Judging by the video from the other side, it is no longer excluded ...
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 19 September 2022 12: 35
        +4
        Anatoly and others. You seem to be literate guys, but you talk like children. Do not confuse those military men who go on conscription with those who are members of PMCs. The latter are not subject to international captivity laws. These are gentlemen, nobody. They don’t even admit what country they are fighting.
        1. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 19 September 2022 13: 36
          +5
          Quote: nikvic46
          Anatoly and others. You seem to be literate guys, but you talk like children. Do not confuse those military men who go on conscription with those who are members of PMCs. The latter are not subject to international captivity laws. These are gentlemen, nobody. They don’t even admit what country they are fighting.

          About "international laws of captivity do not apply" I completely agree, naturally this applies to the full extent to PMCs and not from the zone, since they do not belong to any FOGV, they are not legalized even in our country. But the term "twice lawless" can still be applied to the new replenishment of PMCs, since they received freedom, one might say, "according to concepts."
          Maybe this is a necessary step, maybe not, time will judge, but the fact that at least 2 legal acts were necessary: ​​on PMCs and on an "exclusive" amnesty, that's for sure, otherwise it's like the Tumba-Yumba tribe, by God.
      2. Popov Artyom
        Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 21: 52
        -3
        they are DETAINED, but they do not have the status of prisoners of war and cannot be.
        It's like partisans in World War II. Killing soldiers on the sly? So, bandit, shoot or hang.
    3. solar
      solar 19 September 2022 11: 14
      +8
      Photos of former criminals who have surrendered have already been published in the Ukrainian media. The calculation is simple - if he sits for a long time, then in Ukraine he expects to be released much faster from captivity, there is nothing to lose anyway. And he does not intend to risk the skin
      1. Hitriy Zhuk
        Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 51
        +2
        These "Ukrainian media" are already synonymous with a madhouse patient who has seized on the Internet.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 52
        -1
        Are there still those who believe the Ukrainian media besides the pro-Western sixes? Seriously? belay How's Kuev's ghost doing? wink
    4. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 21: 50
      -1
      By the way, they are not even combatants (after all, they are not included in the RF Armed Forces?) And they will not be prisoners of war. According to international law, they are armed bandits, who can be judged by the relevant articles and no one will exchange them.
  11. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 19 September 2022 08: 56
    -12
    We weren't the first to start using a lesson in a special operation. The Ukrainians released all the criminals and shaved them. Even the most frostbitten.
    1. Asad
      Asad 19 September 2022 16: 28
      +2
      And what, everything that Ukrainians do to copy? Not long ago they showed a Wagnerian, he made a brawl in the hotel, five people of the police barely coped. And when there are hundreds of them, thousands will return?
      1. frog
        frog 19 September 2022 17: 09
        -2
        Everything is not necessary, first-aid kits and HARMs to start wink . And then we'll see, fashionable HIMARS can be repeat
  12. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 19 September 2022 09: 20
    +4
    For all couch idealists who believe in sitting men, consuming gruel, and not familiar with the video from Osechkin, about customs in the zones, I will quote from Schweik
    Now, just the opposite: the worst soldiers, who in peacetime did not get out of arrest, turned out to be the best in war. I remember a private from the XNUMXth marching company of Silvanus. In addition, it happened that not a day is a punishment. Yes, what punishments! I was not ashamed to steal the last kreuzer from a comrade. And when he got into battle, he was the first to cut the wire barriers, took three prisoners and shot one right there on the way, - they say, he did not inspire confidence in me. He received a large silver medal, two stars were sewn on him, and if he had not been hanged later at the Dukel Pass, he would have been in platoons long ago. And it was impossible not to hang him after the battle. Once he volunteered to go on reconnaissance, and a patrol from another regiment caught him rummaging through corpses. They found about eight watches and many rings on him. Hanged at the headquarters of the brigade.
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 49
      0
      Well, they have one huge plus - few people feel sorry for them.
      A kind of loss that is not something that would be completely lost.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 September 2022 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      For all couch idealists who believe in sitting men, consuming gruel, and not familiar with the video from Osechkin, about customs in the zones, I will quote from Schweik
      Now, just the opposite: the worst soldiers, who in peacetime did not get out of arrest, turned out to be the best in war. I remember a private from the XNUMXth marching company of Silvanus. In addition, it happened that not a day is a punishment. Yes, what punishments! I was not ashamed to steal the last kreuzer from a comrade. And when he got into battle, he was the first to cut the wire barriers, took three prisoners and shot one right there on the way, - they say, he did not inspire confidence in me. He received a large silver medal, two stars were sewn on him, and if he had not been hanged later at the Dukel Pass, he would have been in platoons long ago. And it was impossible not to hang him after the battle. Once he volunteered to go on reconnaissance, and a patrol from another regiment caught him rummaging through corpses. They found about eight watches and many rings on him. Hanged at the headquarters of the brigade.

      What kind of nonsense is it to hang for rummaging through corpses? Yes, during the war, almost everyone had either German watches or cigarette cases or pistols. A dead man does not need it
  13. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 September 2022 09: 57
    +7
    Yes. Previously, this was written about the countries of Capitalism.
    And now we have Imperialism.
  14. tTshka
    tTshka 19 September 2022 10: 02
    +1
    As for me, so let them go to war if they want, BUT ....
    It is clear that especially serious articles and relapses should be filtered out and left on the bunk ...
    And six months is not enough. Well, if so, then at least translate into a "special condition", at the end of the database
  15. COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 19 September 2022 10: 03
    -6
    The topic is not unambiguous, but if a person is pathologically cruel, the role of an attack aircraft is just right for him, and it is better to let off steam towards the enemy.
    1. Master 2030
      Master 2030 19 September 2022 10: 29
      +6
      It is more likely to let off steam towards its commander and colleagues.
  16. decimalegio
    decimalegio 19 September 2022 10: 09
    -2
    In a word, a new edition of the Dirlewanger Brigade. No.
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 45
      +1
      Can't this be considered a strange penal battalion?
      1. decimalegio
        decimalegio 20 September 2022 09: 44
        +2
        With the understanding that, as a Christian, I always believe in the redemption of the individual, everything depends on how they are used. If it were a Strafbataillon, the soldier would have to be used to clear minefields, assault hard-to-reach targets, or defend positions against overwhelming attack forces. If they are used as ordinary soldiers who go into remission after six months of service, it seems to me wrong. Everyone mentions the Second World War, but these are different situations, there is no mobilization, the losses are unequal. If you have to recruit delinquents, perhaps repeat offenders, then you are scraping the bottom of a barrel.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 September 2022 11: 46
          -1
          Quote: Decimalegio
          With the understanding that, as a Christian, I always believe in the redemption of the individual, everything depends on how they are used. If it were a Strafbataillon, the soldier would have to be used to clear minefields, assault hard-to-reach targets, or defend positions against overwhelming attack forces. If they are used as ordinary soldiers who go into remission after six months of service, it seems to me wrong. Everyone mentions the Second World War, but these are different situations, there is no mobilization, the losses are unequal. If you have to recruit delinquents, perhaps repeat offenders, then you are scraping the bottom of a barrel.

          You don’t have to scrape along the bottom of the barrel. In Russia, even mobilization has not been announced, unlike in Ukraine. Another difference is that the penal battalion is not voluntary
          1. decimalegio
            decimalegio 20 September 2022 12: 03
            0
            As far as I understand, prisoners sign up voluntarily and this is not a penal battalion. Then these gentlemen will be put in the ranks of PMCs along with other fighters. Do you think this is correct???? True, there are several crimes, a thief is not a murderer or a rapist, but let's just say you would like to have a fellow criminal next to you who signed up only to mitigate the punishment ??????
  17. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 19 September 2022 10: 10
    +10
    I remember how in February March everyone laughed and was horrified when in Ukraine they began to recruit people from the colonies. And then otonocho, mikhalych ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 19 September 2022 11: 15
      -4
      yeah, like "fighting cocks"
    2. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 44
      -8
      They didn’t just “take away”, there is something at the level of “they released everyone and gave them trunks” (well, they wrote that).
      They freaked out from this.

      These are supposedly on a leash.
  18. Master 2030
    Master 2030 19 September 2022 10: 22
    +15
    The restrained puppy enthusiasm of the author about the recruitment of bio-garbage for a serious business is, to put it mildly, puzzling. Such facts speak of one thing, in Russia there are very, very, very serious problems with the build-up of the armed forces at the front, and the mediocre use of manpower by the "generals" also aggravates the situation. Even during the Second World War, a criminal at the front is an exception. Just now, one colleague from VO called in comets called for mobilization, as a result, for-13, against-40. The people are "warriors", damn it.
    But in general, the recruitment of the Zonovsky minnow, and even the devious rat paths, suggests that the only prospect for Russia is general mobilization.
    I recalled a phrase from the movie "Moon Sound": "I don't need a holy cause."
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 September 2022 13: 33
      -1
      The restrained puppy delight of the author about the recruitment of bio-garbage
      You would watch your language, good sir. (And stop reading Goebels under the covers).
      1. Master 2030
        Master 2030 21 September 2022 08: 08
        -1
        What were you doing under my blanket? Lips pulled?
  19. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 19 September 2022 10: 31
    +12

    The very fact of such a “pardon” for prisoners convicted of especially serious ones means that the country is transgressing its own laws
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 19 September 2022 18: 55
      +1
      Laws are written by people on the basis of compliance with the surrounding reality. If the law ceases to comply with it, then it is thrown into the trash and a new one is adopted. This is not a sacred cow.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 September 2022 19: 53
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        If the law ceases to comply with it, then it is thrown into the trash and a new one is adopted. This is not a sacred cow.

        And where is this law, according to which the owner of the company can temporarily hire prisoners with subsequent amnesty and the right to be shot for violating labor discipline?
      2. Popov Artyom
        Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 21: 57
        -3
        That's right, but where is this "new law"? Russia has already turned into an imitation of the country - everything is done on calls from above, and not according to the law.
  20. smaug78
    smaug78 19 September 2022 11: 55
    -2
    The author, everything that you described in the article is a violation of the Criminal Code. On whose mill are you pouring water?
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 19 September 2022 12: 29
      0
      Quote: smaug78
      The author, everything that you described in the article is a violation of the Criminal Code. On whose mill are you pouring water?
      Yes? What article? Call the number.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 19 September 2022 14: 09
        +1
        Start with mercenary and what you can attract zk. How was such a story filmed at all, where the authorities of the colony were looking.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 19 September 2022 16: 04
          +2
          Quote: smaug78
          Start with mercenary and what you can attract zk. How was such a story filmed at all, where the authorities of the colony were looking.
          Oh, you mean... I thought you meant that writing this article was a crime.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 20 September 2022 11: 50
          0
          Quote: smaug78
          Start with mercenary and what you can attract zk. How was such a story filmed at all, where the authorities of the colony were looking.

          Mercenaries flourish in all countries. The French Foreign Legion is no exception.
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 20 September 2022 22: 38
            -3
            Can you tell me examples of recruiting ZK in France?
  21. runway-1
    runway-1 19 September 2022 12: 50
    +4
    The very fact of recruiting such a specific contingent to the NWO speaks volumes. When earlier they wrote about a similar situation in Ukraine, there was a storm of indignation and ridicule. Well, now it's different...
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  23. Adagka
    Adagka 19 September 2022 13: 07
    +7
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Literally "yesterday" your pseudo-communist brethren in the VO blasphemed the employees of the Russian Guard in articles, calling everyone names ... and "praetorians" (this is the most harmless) and other epithets. Look especially at the articles for the days of the BB and FSVNG holidays, by March 27. This is the first.
    Second - don't like warring convicts??? So what's the problem? All allegedly communist brethren, led by Stasik, to the military enlistment office and volunteers. Do you remember the song? Komsomol Volunteers. So prove your "ideals" and "principles" by deed? And you don't have them. You have only one principle - Zvizdet with or without from your sofa.

    By your analogy, the first in the military registration and enlistment offices should not be communists, but members of the unit, besides, they have already learned how to walk in ranks to vote, it will come in handy at the front.
    Another army will turn out (although it’s not entirely clear where the first one went) ...
    But something did not see the queues in the military registration and enlistment offices of these stuck to the budget trough.
  24. Mexican. 29
    Mexican. 29 19 September 2022 13: 41
    +4
    I do not share the enthusiasm, the convicts will receive combat experience and those who survive will then return with it, and obviously not everyone will take the path of correction. The same drunken conflicts when they are taken out of the NVO zone will be for sure, but if with weapons ...
  25. Hitriy Zhuk
    Hitriy Zhuk 19 September 2022 13: 42
    -2
    With proper control, this can be seen as a variant of redemption by blood.

    We live in a society where "mowing" is almost valor.
    And here they sit idle.
    So they either die or benefit. And voluntarily.
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  27. DienBienPhu
    DienBienPhu 19 September 2022 17: 20
    0
    It's time to do something for redemption
  28. DeadPahom
    DeadPahom 19 September 2022 18: 34
    -2
    Fully in solidarity with the indignant! After all, what happens? After five to ten years of imprisonment, we get from the former prisoners full-fledged law-abiding citizens who go to bake bread, get up to the lathe, become skilled builders, doctors and teachers. And who will society get after six months on the front line? Obviously, when they return home, they will begin to kill civilians with redoubled zeal. I am sure that there is even a study by British scientists on this topic.
  29. realist
    realist 19 September 2022 19: 48
    0
    War is not a walk in the park with a girl. People who want to get there should have such an opportunity, and even more so an incentive in the form of a pardon. Good luck to everyone who went to war,
  30. odisey3000
    odisey3000 19 September 2022 20: 58
    -4
    Dear, what they showed seemed to be the recruitment of convicts for PMCs, another fake sending of ukrofascists from the special operations department and thrown into the bowels of the Internet and picked up by couch strategists .. I just don’t understand that in a respected publication there is no one who would conduct some kind of internal censorship by releasing such material On the air, a respected publication quotes him, and here are such comments. What kind of convicts, maniacs, pedophiles and cannibals and criminals do you write about in PMCs? recruitment into this respected military company. You need to somehow deal with the author of this libel and find out who this author works for. Allowing the writing of some sort of Wishlist seen somewhere., Mounted in Kyiv., And pouring mud on this military company whose fighters are dying for Russia it is necessary to sort out the competent authorities somehow and whose mill this pseudo-patriot is pouring water on, it seems like he is rooting for the Motherland.
    1. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 19 September 2022 22: 00
      +1
      Your illiterate outpouring is a fake stuffing to create the impression that the Russians have no brain at all.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 September 2022 11: 53
      +1
      Quote from: odisey3000
      Dear, what they showed seemed to be the recruitment of convicts for PMCs, another fake sending of ukrofascists from the special operations department and thrown into the bowels of the Internet and picked up by couch strategists .. I just don’t understand that in a respected publication there is no one who would conduct some kind of internal censorship by releasing such material On the air, a respected publication quotes him, and here are such comments. What kind of convicts, maniacs, pedophiles and cannibals and criminals do you write about in PMCs? recruitment into this respected military company. You need to somehow deal with the author of this libel and find out who this author works for. Allowing the writing of some sort of Wishlist seen somewhere., Mounted in Kyiv., And pouring mud on this military company whose fighters are dying for Russia it is necessary to sort out the competent authorities somehow and whose mill this pseudo-patriot is pouring water on, it seems like he is rooting for the Motherland.

      The press service of PMC Wagner did not refute the video with Prigozhin's speech before the
  31. Vasya Vaskin
    Vasya Vaskin 19 September 2022 22: 35
    0
    Naturally, no one will let them go in six months. They will fight until the war is over.
    By that time, no one will be left alive from the recruited prisoners.
    Judging by the description of the first battle, they generally go into battle with knives, like a penal battalion in an alliance.
  32. Okakakiev
    Okakakiev 19 September 2022 22: 42
    +1
    Eloquent and persuasive speech. Prisoners, as people who are ready to cross the border, can be good fighters. In the Second World War, some of them fought heroically. Some mowed. It's the human factor
    1. futurohunter
      futurohunter 20 September 2022 10: 25
      +1
      Most of the former criminals who fought heroically in the Second World War, and even received awards, returned to their usual criminal activities after the war.
  33. tsvetahaki
    tsvetahaki 19 September 2022 23: 27
    +2
    Let's move on to the next question. Of course, if I were a prisoner, I would dream of joining this friendly team in order to be able not only to redeem my debt to the Motherland, but also to repay it with interest.

    Is this not humor? Do they dream of redeeming their debt to the Motherland???
    Or instead of 10-15-25 years, returning after half a year, gaining combat experience, becoming heroes, organize a heroic organized crime group? With less health risks than after 10-20 years in a colony? To return young and healthy - we have small losses :), people are protected - or in 10 years it is GUARANTEED to return wrecked with tuberculosis?
    How can you be so sure...
  34. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 20 September 2022 00: 26
    -1
    Quote: Tima
    in about 8-10 months, when they return from the NWO of Ukraine, here in Russia it will come back to haunt!

    If something will happen in terms of the growth of crime, then most likely at the level of statistical error.
    But the government turns a blind eye to the monstrous level of crimes committed by migrants.

    78% of rapes in Moscow are committed by migrants (according to Petrovka 38).

    Murder, drug trafficking, rape of children, old women (remember the monstrous rape and murder of a grandmother near Sergiev Posad) - all this is the work of migrants.
    But the press, both official (Solovtev, Kiselev) and liberoid (Rain, Sobchak-horse, etc.) are in solidarity in hushing up these egregious facts.

    The convicts had not yet returned from the front, and the howl rose, as in a place where a neighbor's sheet was pulled from a rope.
  35. gromit
    gromit 20 September 2022 00: 36
    -4
    Formally, you become a particularly dangerous prisoner who escaped from the colony.
    Today - better convicts in the trenches than your children.
    And tomorrow - there is no person, there is no problem, or do you want them to walk next to your children?

    It's good to think before doing something like this.
    1. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 03: 41
      0
      No, they get pardons.
      But they are all suicide bombers. Any refusal, step aside - execution. This is really a penal battalion, from which you cannot leave for six months. Accordingly, no one takes care of them and let them go where they would be afraid to send ordinary military personnel. They will still show themselves beyond cruelty and inhumanity. Such an escalation of violence within the same unit is always burst out by the attitude towards reality and others.
      1. gromit
        gromit 20 September 2022 09: 29
        -2
        So far, pardons have only been granted posthumously or due to disability. I do not believe in attractions of generosity from the state. It will soon become clear that only those days when you run to the attack are counted in "half a year". If the war ends in 3 months, do you think they will let you go? And if it continues for 3 years, will they let you go?
        Rather, you will like the musicians so much that you extended the contract and left for the Central African Republic, and from there you will run away.
        1. Popov Artyom
          Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 15: 42
          -2
          pardons come from Moscow, and they let them out of the zone on "bail" to Wagner.
          1. gromit
            gromit 20 September 2022 16: 30
            -2
            This is only in Hollywood movies. The president sits and writes freemen))
            I believe more that those who agree are being transferred to a separate colony on the border with Ukraine. And from there they are already handed over to Wagner, without paperwork.
            That's it, knowing domestic lovers to cover their ass, I believe. If anything - the Federal Penitentiary Service has nothing to do with it, the convict himself escaped.
            And "a citizen who looks like someone else" has nothing to do with it either.
            In general, no one has anything to do with it and is not responsible for anything.
            The prisoner fled on his own, he himself entered the zone of the NMD, he himself found a weapon abandoned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he himself attacked the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he himself died.
            Zek well done, be like a convict.
            1. Popov Artyom
              Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 18: 16
              -1
              You didn't read the article well, apparently. Here are the words of an eyewitness:

              Quote: Zek

              “From there, under strict control and in secret (all documents were received and stored in the safe of the Special Department - the special accounting department, which is located in a civilian building outside the zone), “pardons” signed by the Supreme Commander for 200 people came. These papers were not brought into the zone, but this is exactly the case.
              That week, before the lights out, military KamAZ trucks arrived at the colony and took these people away. They, it turns out, are now officially free.”
              1. gromit
                gromit 20 September 2022 18: 28
                -1
                I read the article well.
                "under strict control and in secret, stored in a pardon safe", which no one has seen, but they definitely believe that they exist.
                And the serfs believed that the evil officials stole and hid the royal letter on the immediate abolition of serfdom and the free issuance of land to everyone for personal use.
  36. Old_Major
    Old_Major 20 September 2022 07: 43
    -6
    Bullshit article. The author clearly likes to fantasize and enjoy cheap notions. PMC - an office that is a little easier to get into than a military school. And the author rather works to order - to present PMCs as a passage yard for all kinds of criminals. Looks like a paid article.
    1. futurohunter
      futurohunter 20 September 2022 10: 22
      +2
      In the place of the PMC commander, I definitely would not take criminals, regardless of the article. At the very least, you run the risk of disrupting combat missions, low discipline and looting, and, at the very least, getting shot in the back during the battle. And there is no need for pompous words. People don't just get deadlines
  37. Mazunga
    Mazunga 20 September 2022 07: 47
    -2
    good luck to the boys, it’s a good option to get off a business trip))) six months long but not longer than a tag, and if you’re forty years old and they wrote you a ticket for 20 years, then you’re already going home, definitely, why not jump off before the bell, only donkeys are sitting))) in any case from the zk, better soldiers will be than our refined personnel units of the bazaar, no, someone fights to the end (these are volunteer musicians and separate parts of our troops like the Russian Guard), and someone is breaking according to option 500, although he is a double bass with experience))) well, yes, they didn’t say what will you have to shoot at the soraket for an apartment and a pension)
  38. Alexander X
    Alexander X 20 September 2022 08: 33
    -3
    People were given the opportunity to wash away their crime with their own blood. This is the most active repentance! And it means that these people are ready for an honest life, paying for it with their lives, if they are suddenly unlucky. And besides repentance, they will bring real benefits. Instead of having served time, to take up the old ... I approve of Prigogine's initiative.
    But the human rights activists from St. Petersburg, who recently sent a statement to the Prosecutor General's Office about the illegality of such a recruitment for the war, my contempt. They are traitors. They put sticks in the wheels of a good undertaking
    1. Jager
      Jager 20 September 2022 13: 43
      +1
      I absolutely do not understand, what does repentance have to do with it and what prevents you from taking up the old in six months?
  39. Brandashmg
    Brandashmg 20 September 2022 09: 50
    +1
    As they say, either take off the cross, or put on your underpants ...

  40. futurohunter
    futurohunter 20 September 2022 10: 19
    +1
    Cho t I doubt ... They get into the zones not just like that, but for specific "cases". Of course, there is a small percentage of people who are random (for "exceeding self-defense", etc.). But the question arises: how expedient is it even for PMCs to take people who have broken the law, and most often intentionally? To what extent will they actually follow orders, will they start a showdown among themselves, will they loot and commit war crimes, and some may even defect to the side of the enemy? The psychology of a convict and the psychology of a military professional are somewhat different. And the point here is not even in the "correct" articles. Although the article was written by the "editor-in-chief," I have serious doubts about it... And, by the way, during the Great Patriotic War, many former criminals ended up at the front. During the war, they honestly fought, but after the war ... they returned to their "usual craft". And many more with weapons
  41. 123_123
    123_123 20 September 2022 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    I thought that high military professionals were fighting in PMCs, but it turned out to be criminals and renegades who decided to knock off the term.

    Question. Why mobilization for only six months? And then who should fight? Donbass mobiles are not allowed to go home, but these are welcome.

    Murderers and rapists, whose base instincts are not limited by anything and even by law, returning to civilian life, how long can they hold out until new atrocities?
    Will the victims of violence be satisfied with the explanation that "honest people" have now done this to them, to whom the cook has issued an indulgence? Or something like: "Understand - he fought for you."

    Yes, I wonder what will happen to the criminals in six months. With those who remain alive and will not remain in the ranks of PMCs. Will they return to normal people and become a threat to society? This moment is not clear.
    1. Postcode
      Postcode 20 September 2022 11: 04
      0
      there will be a few of them ... a few people per hundred ... they are taken there for this.
  42. futurohunter
    futurohunter 20 September 2022 11: 02
    +2
    Yes, I remembered. I served in the Soviet Army in a construction battalion. So, in our "contingent" there were quite a few guys of a semi-criminal nature and former criminals. And what did I see? Attempts to decide everywhere "according to concepts", disassembly, "checks" for beginners, theft, just elementary meanness (hey, where is the military honor ?!), attempts by someone to become a "godfather" and start "sixes", chefir and in general the search for that than to get drunk and "smear" and other "charms" of the criminal world. For many of these, the army was an opportunity not to go to jail. And in hazing, by the way, such "non-criminal brethren" are mostly to blame. Well, how do you like these "fighters"?
  43. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 September 2022 11: 03
    0
    The fact that the state .. made it possible! it’s already good ... and there, as God wills!
    1. Jager
      Jager 20 September 2022 13: 40
      -1
      And where does the "state" in general?
  44. Postcode
    Postcode 20 September 2022 11: 03
    +2
    In the final part, the author confused points 1 and 2 in places. They fight so well because FIRST, and this is the main thing: THEY ARE HIGH-LEVEL MILITARY PROFESSIONALS. from the moment of creation onwards, all military conflicts, no one was taken there, I know, so to speak, from the "first persons". The ones they are now recruiting in the zones have not stood next to each other for a month, even two preparations will not make them close to the same. As for expensive perfumes and good cars, I can also disappoint you, they have all this, as well as real estate, including abroad. Of course, not for those who "have been there for a week without a year", but for those who have been there for several years, who already have certain positions, etc. Actually, it is for the sake of good cars, apartments, perfumes and other things that they go to PMCs, they work there not for the minimum wage and not for 200 rubles.
  45. Kmon
    Kmon 20 September 2022 12: 41
    -2
    Hmm. When the hard-serving prisoners return from the war, accustomed to shooting and killing... It will be like in the 90s.
    1. Plumbarius
      Plumbarius 20 September 2022 17: 53
      +1
      And who told you that they will return? A man similar to Prigogine did not promise anything about this ...
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  47. Jager
    Jager 20 September 2022 13: 33
    0
    The war will end. And where will these inmates with combat experience go?
    People with an ALREADY broken psyche and problems go to war, where sometimes the "roof" can easily move out of a completely strong person. Question - why? Or have we run out of contract soldiers, military reserves, a sea of ​​young and still quite fit military pensioners sitting out their pants in the protection? What is this SVO in general to send prisoners there with a millionth army ??? What does this PMC do in our country, and in fact, legally, it is an illegal armed formation, for service in which we generally have a term? Or is it like it was with the coronavirus - there seems to be an epidemic, but it’s as if it doesn’t exist, there seems to be a quarantine, but it’s as if no one introduced it ...
    How is it with Yegor Letov,
    "It means learning to shoot,
    It means to come back and live like a spring
    Accustomed to killing easily ... ".
    1. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 18: 19
      -4
      Nobody wants to defend Putin's kleptocratic clique, that's the point. Volunteers were collected for six months, recruited for 2 divisions from all over Russia. Now they will try to forcibly fight for the oligarchs by partial mobilization. It seems to me that by October there won't be any unburnt military registration and enlistment offices.
  48. igorka357
    igorka357 20 September 2022 16: 42
    +2
    Lord, what kind of nonsense, knowing the essence of the convict, so to speak, not by hearsay, and even more so the convict of the rtsd, and those who, as it is said in the storm and shiz .. then believe me, he will feed you any truth you need, but there will be one thing in your head, the main thing on that side, and even with the trunk, and then we'll see .. the RCC will not tear the veins for someone, any cooperation with the administration is zapad for such people. They cut the trenches with knives, but did they probably sleep in the trenches, or were they without weapons? Clownery by God.
    1. Popov Artyom
      Popov Artyom 20 September 2022 18: 21
      -3
      So yes, they seem to be giving up. But this does not prevent them from recruiting and reporting successful replenishment to the top.
  49. igorka357
    igorka357 20 September 2022 16: 47
    0
    Ahhh, so this is Staver, well, the storyteller is still the same, he has NATO divisions fighting in Ukraine, only he was reported about this alone ..
  50. Plumbarius
    Plumbarius 20 September 2022 17: 47
    -1
    I always thought that military issues should be decided by the military, BUT when they go to the Zone and hire inmates in PMCs ... it means that not everything is going smoothly with our military, and a certain strike group is being formed that at one moment can suppress another group. Among the military, there are enough "hucksters" with epaulettes, and liberals who have the authority and access to classified information and are under the command of a special unit. Therefore, NWO is going on now ... in order to expel a cold from the body, you need to warm up the temperature in the bath ... but these are my personal conclusions and I do not impose them on anyone ...