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The inspector general of the Bundeswehr said that he does not observe a real counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The inspector general of the Bundeswehr said that he does not observe a real counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Eberhard Zorn, Inspector General of the German Armed Forces, shared his opinion with the journalists of the large German publication Focus, breaking out of the Western and Ukrainian mainstream. According to the head of the inspection service of the Bundeswehr, “everyone is just talking about the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian army,” while he does not see a real counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


Eberhard Zorn notes that those who talk about the counteroffensive today do not understand what this concept actually means.

Highest German officer:

We are talking, rather, about individual counterattacks, which are aimed at recapturing, recapturing some areas. There is no talk of pushing back Russian troops on a broad front.

According to Eberhard Zorn, we must not forget that if Ukraine has already carried out several waves of mobilization, then the huge Russian mobilization reserve is not involved at all. The German officer warns against taking those measures in which Russia would use this reserve.

At the same time, Zorn highly appreciates the local tactics of the Ukrainian troops. The inspector general of the Bundeswehr refers to this tactic as mobility, action in small areas without the use of large forces and means. However, such tactics, according to him, clearly do not fit with the term "counteroffensive."

Eberhard Zorn:

I would still be more careful in terms.

At the same time, Zorn added that if we increase the supply of weapons to Kyiv, then "Russia will not be able to take control of the entire Donbass."
German military official:

A few weeks ago, I was sure that the Russians would succeed.

Zorn added that it is also impossible to engage in hatred in this matter, since "Putin can quite unexpectedly open a second front, which will divert the attention and forces of the allies."
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  1. ruha
    ruha 15 September 2022 07: 35
    -4
    Suggests like!? Where is the second front?
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 15 September 2022 07: 45
      -6
      An interesting question ... Soon our ally Winter will come and then they will be kaput - maybe this is the second front in the understanding of the Fritz ???
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 15 September 2022 08: 03
        +10
        I wouldn’t count on Winter much .. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not French or Germans and not near Moscow, and they are also accustomed to winter, especially since the usual Ukrainian winter is, for example, in Kyiv down to -4 in the coldest .. and in the EU it is warmer in winter, even in Germany, not to mention the south ..
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 15 September 2022 08: 21
          +17
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          I wouldn’t count on Winter much .. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not French or Germans and not near Moscow, and they are also accustomed to winter, especially since the usual Ukrainian winter is, for example, in Kyiv down to -4 in the coldest.

          Winter is not when it is snowing on the street. It is when there is no electricity in the country and nothing works, there is nowhere to warm up, in principle, except by the fire.
          Are you used to talking?
          1. User_neydobniu
            User_neydobniu 15 September 2022 08: 32
            +1
            Winter is not when it is snowing on the street. This is when there is no electricity in the country and nothing works, there is nowhere to warm up, in principle, except by the fire

            So for this, it was necessary to strike at the infrastructure of Ukrainian cities, but we are not like that) So, electricity, gas, and even the Internet in Ukraine have not gone anywhere.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 15 September 2022 14: 28
          0
          If they demolish all the thermal power plants in the cold, they will immediately not be up to the occupation of our lands and not before the war, but we have rags in the power, so they are unlikely to decide.
      2. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 15 September 2022 08: 08
        +9
        They have been talking about winter since the age of 14, really. Don't worry, hucksters will always find a common language with them - war is their mother, the main thing is profit. Therefore, nothing will happen to them in the winter, perhaps a couple of hundred thousand will freeze in Ukraine, but the drug addict does not care, no one will even bathe. Zelya and his gang have warm, light in the offices and the flies don’t bite (but in vain, it’s time to contract the flies)))))
        1. ruha
          ruha 15 September 2022 08: 16
          0
          Nobody worries about hohlyaks. This is a consumable, consider the same Russians only in profile. Neither the Europeans nor the Perdos are worried about them or the Russians. They diligently quarreled the Caucasus with Russia. It did not work out, the Russians quarreled with the Russians. This is even progress for them. So they will cling to all possible and impossible methods. But Europe will survive the winter and everything else. With difficulty, but survive. So you need to be proactive. Since NATO is at war with us, we need to be at war with NATO. Just carry out deversions in their countries. Look at what they are counting on when completely disconnected from the gas and beat on NC.
      3. Pharmacist
        Pharmacist 15 September 2022 08: 20
        0
        Winter? Second front? Nope. It has been said that Putin will open a second front. But he's still not Santa Claus. Fritz hints at something else!
      4. Blooming Sally
        Blooming Sally 15 September 2022 15: 54
        -3
        But Kharkiv and Sumy residents do not know how they are with the weather in winter and what to expect? Or is it about Siberia? I think they will not have time to reach Siberia by winter.
    2. Machito
      Machito 15 September 2022 09: 01
      -3
      Quote: ruha
      Suggests like!? Where is the second front?

      The second front is the Tribaltic. The Tribalts are just begging to be pushed into the Baltic Sea.
      1. Kurganets-45
        Kurganets-45 15 September 2022 09: 10
        0
        And what are the advantages for us from opening a second front? at this stage, it is only attracting additional resources and people who are so little involved. Something is not observed here in Zorn's logic.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 15 September 2022 09: 36
          -4
          Who is guarding Kyiv? Is there a chance to arrange a simultaneous offensive from Belarus, Russia and the LPR
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 15 September 2022 09: 34
        -1
        Quote: Bearded
        The second front is the Tribaltic. The Tribalts are just begging to be pushed into the Baltic Sea.

        General Inspector about the second front for Ukraine, and you about the second front for Russia.
        We don't need a second front yet. hi
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 15 September 2022 12: 20
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        The Tribalts are just begging to be pushed into the Baltic Sea.
        For starters, at least a corridor 400 kilometers wide.
    3. 9PA
      9PA 15 September 2022 09: 35
      -3
      Offensive from Belarus
    4. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 15 September 2022 10: 01
      0
      Quote: ruha
      Suggests like!? Where is the second front?

      The Bundessphere needs to worry so that the front does not open with Poland, but they all climb into someone else's garden ...........
  2. Uprun
    Uprun 15 September 2022 07: 45
    +5
    Taiwan ...., I think today there will be graters with Xi in Samarkand on this topic ...., or at least an escalation of the situation ... so that the striped ones twitch ... and dump the content of the outskirts on the EU ... which incense breathes...
    1. Plate
      Plate 15 September 2022 10: 23
      +1
      But why does Mr. Xi need this?
      1. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 15 September 2022 12: 42
        0
        Quote: Plate
        But why does Mr. Xi need this?

        And Mr. Xi needs this because if we hypothetically assume that suddenly the States with their lackeys still devour Russia, then no one will prevent them from consuming China. And China simply will not be able to defend itself, since its strength is in the economy, but not in the army. Their army is huge, but not victorious. After all, China itself is a very peaceful and non-conflict nation. And the nuclear potential is five times less than the Russian one. He will be intimidated by a military confrontation - and they will begin to crush
        sanctions. China's actually explored and, moreover, developed resources and natural wealth are very modest (and the estimated ones are many years of development). Its economy is production and trade. And he's doomed. Defeating the "civilized West" that has piled on from all sides (plus the hyper-aggressive and hyper-belligerent Japan with its powerful army, able and loving to fight) - China alone will not succeed.
        1. Plate
          Plate 15 September 2022 12: 58
          0
          Quote: Peter_Koldunov
          Their army is huge, but not victorious.

          Excuse me, but how do you understand "not victorious"? There is modern technology, there is equipment, it's all in sufficient quantity. What else is needed? However, yes, there is something important - real combat experience. Well, that’s something that will come with time: in the event of a conflict, which one will quickly come.
          Quote: Peter_Koldunov
          Its economy is production and trade. And he's doomed.

          He is now buying resources and will continue to buy. Of the resource neighbors, Kazakhstan and Russia will completely remain.
          I personally think that if China gets into this, then only when it feels that its moment has come to intercept world domination from the States. Oh how creepy that would be.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 September 2022 07: 47
    +7
    a few weeks ago I was confident that the Russians would succeed.

    This is how we gave our enemies the confidence that we can be defeated. am
    Now it will be much more difficult to psychologically break the enemy.
    Another miscalculation of the Kremlin.
    1. Two
      Two 15 September 2022 07: 57
      +10
      hi They continue to hate us, but cease to be afraid!
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 15 September 2022 08: 53
        +5
        In those times, one of our roadblocks was very patient with the impudence of one not very large, but nimble gang. Very patient but attentive. That's when they stopped being afraid, they hit them and hit them from the heart. In general, then they forgot about this gang. At all.
    2. 9PA
      9PA 15 September 2022 10: 13
      0
      Shtosh, maybe they will lose caution
    3. sniperino
      sniperino 15 September 2022 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      This is how we gave our enemies the confidence that we can be defeated.
      Among the enemies, this confidence did not dry out, otherwise they would not have run into. They hide it and express it within the framework of the show, while ours carry out a serious military operation, unique in its kind, which cannot depend on their information-psychological attacks or retreats.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 September 2022 07: 50
    +10
    Highest German officer:

    We are talking, rather, about individual counterattacks, which are aimed at recapturing, recapturing some areas. There is no talk of pushing back Russian troops on a broad front.
    The opinion is more prone to realism, which distinguishes it from all-weapons.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 September 2022 08: 44
      -2
      What are you trying to convince us of? You have any oversight, tragedy, disaster, mistake. a crime, a flaw, a violation looks like a cunningly conceived multi-move. You go to the place where people really die, where the Nazis identify, persecute and kill people loyal to Russia and tell them that everything has been found ... Tell us that the plucking of the flag by a foreign mercenary in the abandoned Izyum is a planned PR campaign ...
      And we just believe you. As deputy Isaev, who announced that we were starting to fight against the Nazis of Ukraine, and now it turned out that NATO and the entire EU are fighting against us ... And it was assumed from the very beginning that the whole world bastard would harness for the Nazis of Ukraine ... You can see below, or here:
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 15 September 2022 10: 28
        +2

        yuriy55 (Siberian)
        Today, 08: 44
        NEW

        +2
        What are you in us trying to convince? ...
        "us" is who? Or, "We are Nicholas II"?
        ps Actually, I'm not going to convince - if you have a mind - you'll figure it out yourself.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 15 September 2022 13: 00
          0
          A vigilant auto-moderator saw a curse in a word that partially resembles a child's designation of the genitals.
          In short, the list is not skipped. smile
          1. SklochPensioner
            SklochPensioner 15 September 2022 14: 36
            0
            Quote: sniperino
            A vigilant auto-moderator saw a curse in a word,

            No, he just learned to read minds: he realized that a person put a bad meaning into the word Clist)
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 15 September 2022 15: 18
              0
              Quote: SklochPensioner
              Quote: sniperino
              A vigilant auto-moderator saw a curse in a word,
              No, he just learned to read minds: he realized that a person put a bad meaning into the word Clist)
              Very good and soulful meaning. Some lost souls, seeing themselves in such a list, will still be able to repent.
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 September 2022 08: 04
    -1
    «Putin may suddenly open a second front, which will divert the attention and forces of the allies.

    Can it? Is Putin credited with supernatural powers?
    Biden demands from Europe to fight with Russia, because there will be no TMV. Von der Leinen promises to fight until complete victory and the defeat of Russia ... And Putin, it turns out, can ...
    But on the 60 Minutes channel, Skabeeva wanted to hear the answer why Zelensky calmly walked around Izyum, where the alarm about a missile attack had not even sounded ...
    Or how American long-range missiles got into the children's center, where there was no one but children, and killed a fourteen-year-old girl...
    There are no words and forces to listen and watch it ...
    1. dauria
      dauria 15 September 2022 08: 14
      +2
      But on the channel "60 minutes" Skabeeva wanted to hear the answer why Zelensky calmly walked around Izyum

      Hmm .. And I used to watch this Skabeeva with Nightingale to calm down. Like valerian. He looked, listened - "we win, we win, they will come to bow for gas." Calm down - again you can read the "military review" And now how?
      Disorder, why is she like that.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 15 September 2022 08: 42
        -6
        Fuck knows... Involuntary reaction with:
    2. dimbasic
      dimbasic 15 September 2022 08: 37
      -3
      so here just now they wrote that on 30.08 and 04.09 2 strikes were made on the headquarters of the northern group, after which it was beheaded, as a result of which control was lost. it turns out there is now just no one to make decisions. and the higher ranks are apparently incapable of accepting them. the game of tanks is more important
      1. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 15 September 2022 12: 49
        -1
        Quote from dimbasic
        so here just now wrote ...

        Where did they write? In cisso?
        1. dimbasic
          dimbasic 15 September 2022 12: 53
          0
          and here is cisso?

          https://topwar.ru/201800-ukrainskie-smi-ofis-prezidenta-ukrainy-vo-glave-s-zelenskim-i-oficery-genshtaba-vsu-posetili-izjum.html

          read the comments
  6. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 15 September 2022 08: 08
    -3
    The inspector general of the Bundeswehr said that he does not observe a real counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    ***
    - Why doesn't he watch Ukrainian media?...



    ***
    1. dimbasic
      dimbasic 15 September 2022 08: 38
      -1
      after the Kharkov failure, such posts look inappropriate
    2. Maxim G
      Maxim G 15 September 2022 08: 50
      0
      It's time for jokes...
      However, I flipped through the history of your messages, everything is there, a kind of understandable humor for you alone.
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  8. Pharmacist
    Pharmacist 15 September 2022 08: 30
    +2
    “But on the 60 Minutes channel, Skabeeva wanted to hear the answer why Zelensky calmly walked around Izyum, where the alarm about a missile attack had not even sounded ...”

    What's so incomprehensible here? The place where Zelensky walks automatically becomes a "decision-making center". But the time has not yet come to strike at such centers. The red lines have not been passed yet!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 15 September 2022 08: 49
      -2
      They haven't been drawn yet and over-painted for those lines.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 15 September 2022 13: 37
      0
      Quote from Pharmacist
      "But on the channel" 60 minutes "...
      Don't look, your brain will explode. Read DialogueUA
      1. single-n
        single-n 15 September 2022 13: 54
        0
        Most likely, this fighter, in a state of stress, thrashed the hell out where. And cases when a person received 1-2 wounds for some time retained full combat capability. Some were hit 5 times before they died.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 15 September 2022 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: Single-n
          Most likely, this fighter, in a state of stress, thrashed the hell out where.
          Aha! And in the series with Iskander, he did not burst, he only filled a bump.
          Quote: Single-n
          Some were hit 5 times before they died.
          They hit 5 times, did they get up and go forward to attack? They're not even cyborgs... Terminators.
          1. single-n
            single-n 15 September 2022 15: 18
            0
            Shootout in Miami
            October 5 1985 year.
            the attacker Metics was wounded in the arm, neck and head, after which he lost consciousness. Temporarily left without a partner, Platt also received several injuries when he got out of the car. A 9mm bullet fired by Agent Dov hit him in the chest, damaging his lung and numerous blood vessels. According to the conclusion of the pathologist, this injury was incompatible with the continuation of life. However, with this wound, Plath managed to kill two FBI agents and wound three more. In a state of passion, he disabled the pistol of one of the agents with a shot and, taking advantage of the confusion, mortally wounded agents Grogan and Dove. and also shot several of their comrades.

            Recall that by that time there were already five bullets in Platt's body (not counting shrapnel wounds from a shotgun), which did not prevent him from functioning normally. After finishing with the agents, he climbed into one of the undamaged cars, where he was joined by the awakened Matix. The criminals tried to escape, but agent Mirelez prevented them. Jumping out in front of the car and firing six rounds of 38 Special bullets from a 357 Magnum revolver. The first bullet lodged in the upholstery of the seat, three others hit Mattix right in the face. The last two hit Platt, summing up the entire firefight.

            Shootout in North Hollywood
            On the morning of February 28, 1997, Larry Philips and Emil Matasarianu drove up to the Bank of America branch in North Hollywood. In the back of their car were Norinco Type 56 S1 assault rifles (our Chinese-made Kalashnikov with a disk magazine is equipped with armor-piercing bullets), a Heckler Koch HK91, an AR-15 assault rifle with modified drum magazines, two Beretta 92 pistols and about 3300 rounds of ammunition. Under the clothes - homemade Kevlar armor, and in the blood - phenobarbital.
            ......At 9:56, Matasarianu tries to transfer from his damaged car to a nearby pickup truck, but does not find the keys in it. With the last of his strength, he shoots back from the police and receives 17 wounds in both legs (shots were fired from under the car). Without waiting for an ambulance, he dies of blood loss at 11:11 in the morning (an HOUR later !!)
            Fortunately, there were no casualties on the part of the police and civilians in the shootout (apart from many injuries). About 350 police officers were involved in the shootout. 2 CARL!! Battalion against XNUMX people!!! Seventeen people - eleven policemen and six civilians - were injured, but no one, except for the robbers, died.

            I can throw more. such cases.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 15 September 2022 15: 48
              0
              Quote: Single-n
              I can still throw
              Lots, no doubt.
  9. Fisherman
    Fisherman 15 September 2022 08: 31
    -3
    They are afraid of our mobilization. Because they remember the lessons of the Second World War, when the hyped Red Machine terrified the Anglo-Saxons with its power, received by sweat and blood during the Great Patriotic War. Now the situation is the same: when mobilized, our Army will be able not only to take and hold Ukraine quickly enough, but also the Balts, in the South Caucasus and Central Asia, many people will have to quiet down ... if they have time.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 September 2022 08: 55
      -5
      Quote: Fisherman
      They are afraid of our mobilization.

      Are they Europe (she)? Scared Europe fat tactical Iskander.
      The only thing they fear is the official declaration of war on Russia. And without an announcement, you can (as they believe) do ANY nasty things.
      I am tormented by vague doubts - isn't it time for Russia to start doing things that you won't dream of in a nightmare? Or are we somewhere, deep in the Kremlin, ripening hopes for a different outcome than FULL DEMI..., DEN... and a complete lustration of Ukrainian territory?
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 15 September 2022 08: 56
        0
        Voevoda and Sarmat, my friend ... although Iskander in a nuclear "performance" will demolish several critical bases like Rzeszow.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 15 September 2022 09: 05
          -4
          Quote: Fisherman
          Voevoda and Sarmat, my friend ...

          At best in GB...
          As for Iskander:
          A special (nuclear) warhead with a capacity of up to 50 kilotons is capable of wiping out not only the base ...
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 15 September 2022 09: 08
            0
            we only fight with the military .... but if the military sets up bases in cities ...
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 15 September 2022 12: 26
              -1
              So it was on any NWO in history, why are you conveying common truths? and on which SVO the military for some reason beat the city in which no military at all? except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nothing else comes to mind .. usually the city is simply occupied without a fight .. since the time of fortresses .. accordingly, always - the military howl with the military, but with a number of "but ..", about cities .. like You wrote .. although perhaps there is an exception if we talk about the main fascists in history - the Japanese in WW2, who simply slaughtered cities .. so the difficult question is whether they deserved Hiroshima ..
              1. Fisherman
                Fisherman 15 September 2022 14: 32
                0
                Dresden says nothing?
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 15 September 2022 17: 50
                  0
                  Well, also Dresden .. thanks for adding, I didn’t say that I listed everything .. but how does this change the meaning of what was written, that these are exceptions from thousands of other cities around the world that were bombed due to the presence of the military in them? and thousands of which were not destroyed because the military was not there .. this is a sad norm of military operations ..
                  1. Fisherman
                    Fisherman 15 September 2022 18: 53
                    0
                    in Iraq, they bombed just like that, even without the military, they smashed museums and monuments with tanks (“you won’t have a history”) ... you can recall many more countries where the Anglo-Saxons did not bother what to bomb ...
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                    2. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 15 September 2022 22: 09
                      0
                      these Anglo-Saxons were given to you, I’m talking about wars in general, and not just with their participation ..
                      1. Fisherman
                        Fisherman 16 September 2022 20: 21
                        0
                        were the wars not organized by them? this is probably a meager fraction of a percent of all wars passed by the main pitting peoples.
  10. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 15 September 2022 09: 01
    -2
    Perhaps I agree with the German inspector. Yes, counterattacks, "which are aimed at recapturing, recapturing certain areas," but certainly not a counteroffensive against Moscow. Yes, they took it off. Yes, they won. Yes, they act tactically competently "in small areas." Yes, mobile. In short, horror, but not horror-horror-horror! It is normal for a situation when we do not rent "our" donkeys and do not change them at the crossings. So we sit straight. We smoke bamboo. We watch cartoons. We are waiting for winter. Otherwise, the nervous system will not survive.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 15 September 2022 13: 55
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      In short, horror, but not horror-horror-horror! ... We smoke bamboo ... Otherwise, the nervous system will not stand
      You are promoting bamboo-smoking, but the nerves are already giving out from it, horrors are imagining.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 15 September 2022 17: 22
        0
        Quote: sniperino
        and his own nerves are already giving out, horrors are imagining.

        I admit. They give up, but not from bamboo and not from horrors, but from their own impotence. Giraffes do not change donkeys at the crossing. Those are birds that are not eagles or falcons. So if it wasn't for the bamboo....
  11. EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 September 2022 09: 05
    +1
    If you send equipment and soldiers, then Russia will not succeed. Captain Obvious direct.
    But all the equipment has already been sent, it is burning down near Kherson, it will soon burn out near Izyum, and the soldier, it’s not the business of the white gentlemen to save some “Ukrainians”.
    1. Fisherman
      Fisherman 15 September 2022 09: 09
      +3
      near Kherson, ours arranged a fire bag for them in the "gut", into which dill was passed ... they destroyed everyone .... so they threw their parts there a few days ago ... again ours were destroyed ... the hedgehog pricked, but did not get off from a cactus.
      1. Sergei V
        Sergei V 15 September 2022 13: 09
        -2
        We are destroying on all fronts, for more than six months, as they say from the box. It is strange that they switched to a deaf defense
        1. Fisherman
          Fisherman 15 September 2022 14: 19
          -1
          yesterday they threshed more than 500 dill and 40 pieces of equipment ... in the offensive we will not thresh so much and will lose many fighters. So the defense is not deaf, but mobile, with lures. A good harvest of dill ... sit and mow.
  12. Former soldier
    Former soldier 15 September 2022 09: 09
    0
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    I wouldn't count on Winter.

    Yes. There is a wonderful proverb: "Trust in God, but don't make a mistake yourself."
  13. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 15 September 2022 09: 17
    +3
    It should be noted that the title of the post may mislead the Russian reader. In fact, the inspector general of the Bundeswehr heads not some kind of inspection services, but the German defense headquarters under the Ministry of Defense. This is the highest position for a soldier in Germany. To draw an analogy, the Inspector General of the Bundeswehr occupies the same position as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the United States. Subordinate to him are the inspectors of the ground forces, the air force and the navy, who command these types of the Bundeswehr.
  14. Sergey39
    Sergey39 15 September 2022 09: 22
    +2
    Another Nostradamus! There are plenty of us here!
    This NATO tactic is good when there is no solid front, but near Donetsk and Gorlovka, this tactic did not work. Yes, in the Kherson region, DRGs are covered.
  15. nik-mazur
    nik-mazur 15 September 2022 10: 05
    +1
    According to Eberhard Zorn, we must not forget that if Ukraine has already carried out several waves of mobilization, then the huge Russian mobilization reserve is not involved at all ...
    Well, at least someone noticed this, otherwise, after reading the comments, one gets the impression that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become stronger than in February and destroyed the entire Russian army with their offensive.
    1. single-n
      single-n 15 September 2022 10: 54
      0
      The question is, will we have time to use it and is there something to equip? Or will we be like the Armed Forces of Ukraine - a week of kmb and into battle with Kalash against tanks? So at least thousands of PRZKs and ATGMs were sent to them, but who will send them to? Belarus?
      People need not only be called. They still need at least a few months to train. In order for our reserves to go into battle today, they had to be called up at least in April .. And we draw all the lines and puff out our cheeks.
      1. nik-mazur
        nik-mazur 15 September 2022 11: 12
        0
        Quote: Single-n
        ... but will we have time to use it and is there something to arm ... People need to not only be called upon ...
        Well, as it were, we don’t even have the entire army involved, but only part of the Ground Forces. And every six months, a call that replaces demobilization, which does not need to be taught. With weapons, especially, there are no problems. And the industry is whole and unharmed.
        But so far, even a limited group of 150 people is acting in such a way that Ukraine has had to carry out several waves of mobilization.
        1. single-n
          single-n 15 September 2022 11: 57
          -2
          The ground forces of the Russian Federation for 2020 had a strength of about 300 thousand people. We minus conscripts, rear soldiers at storage bases and all sorts of headquarters with training staff + groups in Syria, Armenia, and other CIS countries, and a minimum reserve just in case
          So almost EVERYTHING that we have is fighting in Ukraine. Do you think why we have SOBR soldiers 10 km from the front line, and not a second line of defense from motorized riflemen?
          And there are also considerable losses of 500s. These are counters who went to serve, not fight. And now they gave up.
          1. nik-mazur
            nik-mazur 15 September 2022 12: 33
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            Quote: Single-n
            The ground forces of the Russian Federation for 2020 had a strength of about 300 thousand people. Minus...
            This very minus reminds me of a joke about working days, which are less than a week away, if you minus all holidays, weekends, vacations, sick days, etc.
            One hundred and fifty thousand involved in the operation are not only infantry, tanks, artillery, but also aviation, supply, logistics, headquarters, etc., etc. And not only motorized rifles are fighting on the front line, but also marines, landing (suddenly, but these are not Ground Forces), the same SOBR, the National Guard, PMC workers, Cossacks, volunteers and some other formations.
            That is, our grouping, it’s good if half of it consists of regular military personnel of the Ground Forces.
            And by the way, from the Ukrainian side, you can just minus ...
            1. single-n
              single-n 15 September 2022 13: 25
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              You somehow missed the main disadvantage. conscripts. The spring draft in 2020 is 135 thousand. I believe that about 130 thousand people were also called up in the autumn (I just didn’t dig deep) In total, about 250-300 thousand people serve in the RF Armed Forces, which cannot be used for NVO.and in Syria. Further, these people should be managed, trained, supplied, treated by someone. This is another 50 thousand at least.
              Further, SOBR is, as it were, never military. Maybe I don’t know something, but their training program includes counter-battery combat, repelling tank attacks, and countering enemy aircraft? Maybe they have the right equipment? It seems that everyone except me saw SOBR tanks, MANPADS, ptura, howitzers, mortars.
              Cossacks - who are they? What kind of formation is this, what were they taught and how are they equipped? Do we have, for example, a Cossack tank battalion? Or a Cossack squadron of helicopters? Or like with SOBR. People who were trained (if at all) to disperse demonstrations and how to catch the maximum DRG were thrown to the front line? For example, I only saw Cossacks only in the role of teaching staff in the south, but as a private security company. A couple more times they in the role of riot police lit up. Again, never the military.
              Marines, as well as paratroopers, total 50-70 thousand. Again, what is the percentage of conscripts? 50-60%?
              What about other formations? It is difficult to assess both the number and training. If the LDNR police have both experience and motivation, although they often point to their disgusting equipment. Little is known about the rest. The Chechen units are most likely well trained and possibly equipped. But how many. 3-4-10 thousand? Recently, as many as 2 battalions were solemnly sent there. This is about 1000-1500 people. Obviously not a division, and for a front of 1000 km, a drop in the ocean.
              Well, and most importantly ... Losses. We have it as if under a ban and you will not find the data. But ours are talking about the loss of Ukrainians about 200 thousand. Even if we divide as we are told by 5-6 .... In short, you understand. All these volunteer battalions, at best, compensate for the losses.
              1. nik-mazur
                nik-mazur 15 September 2022 14: 05
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                Well, a lot of extra letters. Move on to the conclusions (as I understand it, to disappointing, and perhaps even catastrophic).
                On my own behalf, I note that despite all the problems and shortcomings listed, the ratio of losses is still not in favor of personnel and numerous units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, replenished with five waves of mobilization.
                1. single-n
                  single-n 15 September 2022 15: 50
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                  Full conclusions require access to classified information.
                  In the meantime, you can judge by the front line.
                  1 from about the end of May, the offensive went on a teaspoon per hour. If we discard all this nonsense with the preservation of soldiers, then there is a lack of forces to advance and control the occupied territories.
                  2. The fact that a small breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine led to the collapse of the defense of a large section of the front, as well as the composition of the units defending the positions (we are talking about SOBR) and the fact that the army retreated without trying to defend in a number of settlements. It can be concluded that there were no forces for defense and / or counterattack. All we could do was use some advantage in aviation to prevent the defeat of the retreating units. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a number of attacks in other directions, but we could not organize a major offensive in order to divert the enemy forces from his breakthrough ..
                  Total:. The available forces are insufficient for active defense on this front. The line of defense is not echeloned in depth and is defended by auxiliary units without heavy weapons. There are also no large mobile reserves for "sealing" enemy breakthroughs or delivering counterattacks.
                  Proletarian. TROOPS ARE LITTLE!!!
                  1. nik-mazur
                    nik-mazur 15 September 2022 16: 56
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                    You have two errors in your reasoning:
                    1. The preservation of soldiers is not nonsense, but an urgent need, without which it is impossible to fight with a ratio of infantry one to five not in our favor.
                    2. You consider successes the same as the Ukrainian side - territories, which does not correspond to the real state of affairs. Did the Armed Forces of Ukraine become stronger after the capture of Izyum than in February? Or, perhaps, success in the Kharkiv region has improved the situation of the Ukrainian economy and industry? Or maybe the ratio of losses has changed in favor of the Ukrainian side? Three times no.
                    That is why the abandonment of territories does not mean either the collapse of the front or defeat.
                    At the same time, the critically important territories that form the Kherson land corridor to the Donbass are firmly held.
                    1. single-n
                      single-n 16 September 2022 09: 28
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                      1. Saving lives by prolonging conflict is a bad idea. That 5x1=5 that 1x5=5. Total losses do not change, they are just more spread out and troops are easier to replenish. Start acting more harshly while the IED was mobilizing and there were still many sympathizers of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine, and there was just a good chance for the confused military to go foolish at least to the Dnieper and dig in there. The first strike factor is very important. Remember Pearl Harbor, the USSR in 1941, Japan's attacks on South-East Asia. In many ways, success was determined by the fact that the attacker had the advantage of the first strike, while the opponent moved from a peaceful state to a combat one.
                      2. The occupation and control of territories is an indicator of the combat capability of the troops. You are confusing cause and effect. APU DID NOT GET STRONGER AFTER the Izyum session. It took Raisins as it GOT STRONGER. If in April-May the strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were easily repelled and were extremely limited, then in September we could no longer hold back their offensive. not to counterattack. And the second is a much more serious indicator. Troops often leave any territory. But if the forces are at least equal, then strikes are made in other places in order to distract the enemy, or they try to eliminate the breakthrough with a counterattack. What did RF do? By the way, we are still repelling that offensive. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively strengthening on new frontiers. And then Yaroslavna will cry again about the super-mega bunkers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                      About them in general a separate conversation. The Germans broke through the Maginot line in 1-2 weeks, the Americans broke through the Siegfried line in a maximum of a month, the USSR Mannerheim line in 2 months. Moreover, the first 2 cases without any fantastic losses. (amers have about an infantry regiment and a battalion of tanks from the Germans xs, but there the whole company is 45K-200x and 100K 300x). And only the Russian army has been storming Avdeevka for 7 months. And mind you, it is storming. Couldn't get around. Although there have never been swamps of Karelia or mountains of any kind.
                      1. nik-mazur
                        nik-mazur 16 September 2022 10: 23
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                        1. A theory that is not supported by anything other than the conviction of the speakers.
                        2. Occupation of territories is a means. The combat readiness indicator is the ratio of losses. One hundred and fifty thousand against five mobilizations is a very good indicator.
                        3. The Germans did not storm the Maginot Line, but went around through Belgium. Overcoming the Siegfried Line cost the Americans 140 thousand people - I would not say that it was without losses.
                        Now the Russian army (which is not quite an army, as already understood) is not so much storming the fortified areas as destroying the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                      2. single-n
                        single-n 16 September 2022 12: 58
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                        1. Well, xs, what other real examples can you give. You can still the operation of the USSR in the Far East in 1945. The Japanese simply did not have time to occupy many fortifications. like their generals captured at the airfield by the Soviet troops. All in all, this is a great operation. as an example of blitzkrieg. In a month, the USSR captured a territory the size of 2 Ukraine and defeated an army equal in size to more than 1 million people, and this is in conditions where logistics and communications, and even natural conditions, are not comparable in severity to the NWO. One march through the desert / semi-desert with a wild lack of water was worth it. Or escorting tank columns through mountain passes.
                        In this case, the losses amounted to only 12k-200x and 25k-300x. And mind you, without any carpet bombing or "soldier pity"
                        2. Once again I say control over the territories is an indicator of the balance of power. This is not an end in itself in this operation. But without the occupation of territories and their control, this conflict can last for decades. We are not fighting in a vacuum. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will, if necessary, support Western countries for YEARS. They control the industrial and human resources of about half the world. And we have a miserable 140 million, and it’s good if 10% of the world’s GDP, and even critically tied to supplies from abroad.
                        The loss ratio does NOT reflect the end result of the war. The USSR lost more soldiers than the Wehrmacht, so what? Moreover, this figure can change dramatically. Before that, we fought with untrained militia and had those. superiority. Now the situation is changing. The technique of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is getting more and more serious. Their troops have passed and are preparing. NATO military experts arrived in the Armed Forces of Ukraine even without much hiding. There is ALREADY a discussion on the supply of NATO aircraft. We ALREADY today cannot crush their air defense. And when the flow of aviation also goes there ... I am already silent about the supply of tactical missiles with a range of up to 500 km. Half of the European part of the Russian Federation will be in the impact zone.
                        3. However, in reality, in May 1940, the Germans broke through the Maginot line near Maubeuge, Sedan, and the fortification of La Fère was taken. The most famous was the breakthrough through the "continuation" of the "Maginot Line" in the Ardennes. On May 13–14, 1940, this was done by Guderian's XIX Panzer Corps, which crossed the Meuse at Sedan. Of course, the fortifications of the "continuation" were weaker, but they were full-fledged concrete pillboxes. By the end of the day on May 19, the entire fortification of La Fère was captured, and the road to the interior of France was opened to the Germans. Between May 20 and 23, four Maubeuge fortifications were destroyed one by one.
                        And in the same Belgium and Holland, there were also very serious fortifications, the Dutch even blew up dams to make it difficult to advance. Do you need to mention the textbook capture of Eben-emael by 60 paratroopers against 800 people of the garrison? By the way, this is a very vivid example of what the first strike factor gives. Try the Germans to attack the fort in this manner at least in 10 hours. All these paratroopers would simply be shot like partridges in the courtyard of the fortress. but the defenders of the fort were still living on a peaceful schedule.
                        As for the losses of amers. I have described only one of the sections. I agree that there were more losses to overcome the line hundreds of kilometers long. Here I got excited. But again, timing.
                        On January 29, 1945, the Americans decided to storm the Western Wall. For a month of fighting, the Siegfried Line was completely occupied by American troops. . Month!!! we are already storming 7 ..
                      3. nik-mazur
                        nik-mazur 16 September 2022 13: 23
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                        As the Latins used to say: Analogy is not proof. And you stubbornly try to draw analogies between situations that are completely incomparable in scale with different means and tasks ...
                      4. single-n
                        single-n 16 September 2022 14: 04
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                        Hmm. Are you trying that we have witnessed an absolutely new phenomenon in military affairs? And all the instructions and charters, calculations of resource costs, as well as the experience of wars over thousands of years, can be thrown into the trash?
                        Well, well .. I would agree with you if we wage a cyber war in a dimension with a non-integer metric using alternative female mathematics in the name of the highest good and the triumph of Rastofarianism. In the meantime, the battles are being fought by ordinary people using real equipment and with generally understandable goals (struggle for resources), I believe it is possible and necessary to rely on the experience of conducting similar operations.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 15 September 2022 14: 10
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        Quote: Single-n
        People need not only be called. They still need at least a few months to train.
        Captain obvious? I admire you. There are not enough of these in the General Staff, for sure.
  16. GNM
    GNM 15 September 2022 10: 10
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    Zorn added that it is also impossible to engage in hatred in this matter, since "Putin can quite unexpectedly open a second front, which will divert the attention and forces of the allies."

    Burned us, such a bastard!
  17. iouris
    iouris 15 September 2022 11: 24
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    Today it does not matter at all whether he observes the offensive or not. It is important how the picture is formed in the mass consciousness. The victory of BU and the EU in this world war is not provided. The defeat of Russia is foreseen. used and EU - consumables. What will remain of this "Europe" in the end is also not important. And the EU is basically Germany.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 15 September 2022 14: 16
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      Quote: iouris
      Today it does not matter at all whether he observes the offensive or not. It is important how the picture is formed in the mass consciousness.
      Who cares? If you are busy forming a picture, then this is more important for you. Today and in general.
  18. dimbasic
    dimbasic 15 September 2022 12: 58
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    Quote: Peter_Koldunov
    Quote from dimbasic
    so here just now wrote ...

    Where did they write? In cisso?


    https://topwar.ru/201800-ukrainskie-smi-ofis-prezidenta-ukrainy-vo-glave-s-zelenskim-i-oficery-genshtaba-vsu-posetili-izjum.html
  19. Altmann
    Altmann 15 September 2022 15: 15
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    Russia must recover and I firmly believe that the Russian army will fulfill its task, its goal. Napoleon, Hitler, you underestimated Russia and how each of them turned out more and Ukraine turned out like Hitler, I firmly believe in this. Any other situation is unacceptable for Russia. am
  20. shinobi
    shinobi 18 September 2022 09: 56
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    It's funny, the German is very careful in his statements. His American colleagues are more categorical. They generally have a general opinion that this is nothing more than a show by the US Democratic Party before the congressional elections.