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The fighting in Ukraine showed the discrepancy between the medical first-aid kit of the Ratnik equipment and modern requirements

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The fighting in Ukraine showed the discrepancy between the medical first-aid kit of the Ratnik equipment and modern requirements

Russian military personnel will receive a new individual first-aid kit, the decision was made based on the experience of a special military operation in Ukraine. TsNIITochmash will develop a new first-aid kit.


The board of the military-industrial commission, having studied the experience of using the individual first aid kit (APPI), included in the Ratnik equipment set, came to the conclusion that it does not meet modern requirements. As stated, the new first aid kit will be developed based on commercial options.

As experts have established, in the Russian first-aid kit, accepted for supply in 2011, there are only four items: Esmarch's hemostatic tourniquet, dressing bag, sterile hemostatic dressing, and disinfectant (tablets). Whereas in the individual first-aid kits of the Ukrainian military there are 13 positions, where, in addition to dressings, there is a thermal blanket, special scissors, medical gloves, a card of the injured soldier and a waterproof marker for applying information.

Currently, the Russian military involved in the special operation in Ukraine mainly uses individual medical kits purchased at their own expense, produced by commercial companies. It is these first-aid kits that are planned to be taken as the basis of the new API for military personnel.

A number of first-aid kits, which are called "commercial", are being tested in combat conditions; on their basis, a general set of a new first-aid kit for the army, as well as for other law enforcement agencies, will be formed, taking into account the specifics of their actions.

- leads Newspaper.ru words of an informed source.
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  1. kventinasd
    kventinasd 14 September 2022 21: 52
    +39
    The fighting in Ukraine showed the inconsistency of the first-aid kit

    It's called "Remarkably Prepared for CBO"
    Will Shoigu draw conclusions or is he also in business? sad
    And it will soon turn out that the Sarmatians with Daggers do not fly quite right.
    1. Alemax
      Alemax 14 September 2022 22: 09
      +19
      Only one question .. Shoigu, in general, is he able to draw conclusions?
      1. ramzay21
        ramzay21 14 September 2022 22: 22
        +13
        Only one question .. Shoigu, in general, is he able to draw conclusions?

        It would be more correct to ask this question to the guarantor, who appointed him the Minister of Defense, like Serdyukov.
        One thing is clear. This is deliberate sabotage and treason, which has already led to huge losses among our military personnel, and these traitors and traitors have profited and will continue to profit from the supplies of our army.
        1. lelik613
          lelik613 14 September 2022 22: 40
          -6
          He is a monument!
        2. Hanurik
          Hanurik 14 September 2022 23: 01
          +60
          The wind of history once again showed that it was not for nothing that Stalin carried out repressions, and although a certain number of innocent people suffered in the process, the result fully justified itself.
          1. Pravodel
            Pravodel 15 September 2022 08: 47
            +20
            ... Stalin carried out repressions ...

            A small edit: not repression, but a purge of the state apparatus. After that, everything falls into place.
            And addition. To protect the army and rear during the Second World War, Stalin created SMERSH. SMERSH would not hurt us now either ...
            1. Letun
              Letun 15 September 2022 11: 00
              +9
              Quote: The Truth
              SMERSH would not hurt us now either ...

              Yeah, and they would have recruited into it by pull. Loyal, friends, yes relatives ...
              1. scaramaks27
                scaramaks27 15 September 2022 13: 19
                +13
                future SMERSHES on release on "Geliki" were cut in Moscow ... there are no "TAMANTSEVS" among them
              2. Pravodel
                Pravodel 16 September 2022 06: 49
                +3
                A small addition.
                For the entire time of the existence of SMERSH, there was not a single betrayal in it - historical background.
                Compare with our intelligence, where traitors periodically appear. The last case just happened quite recently, when a large group of our illegal immigrants was expelled from the USA ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 16 September 2022 08: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: The Truth
                  For the entire time of the existence of SMERSH, there was not a single betrayal in it - historical background.

                  Pffff ...
                  And what could they? Give out plans? Document sluggishly - so it’s all the same to shoot a spy?
                  And let him know real the name of a German spy - to cover up the type - there are no fools. "Tees" are a common thing

                  Quote: The Truth
                  Compare with our intelligence, where traitors periodically appear.
                  - who were in the intelligence of the USSR at the same moment - simultaneously with SMERSH...

                  You just don’t understand that a traitor in SMERSH is nothing compared to a traitor in intelligence. Reich intelligence did not even fool around with the introduction of agents into SMERSH ...
            2. ramzay21
              ramzay21 15 September 2022 20: 40
              +3
              To protect the army and rear during the Second World War, Stalin created SMERSH.

              The key word here is "Stalin created".
              And what will Putin create and who will he appoint as the head of SMERSH?
              Well, will he put there the same thief as Serdyukov or the same as Shoigu, and what will they do? Do you think they will arrest their friends who stole the money on first aid kits and equipment? Or do you think that the arrest of a financial analyst at an enterprise that made these kits for Ratnik will somehow change the situation?

              Have the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs arrested large embezzlers and traitors in 20 years? Now look how many the NKVD arrested the GPU before the war.
            3. Berg berg
              Berg berg 16 September 2022 13: 08
              -1
              Basically, mourners and all-weepers fell under repression!
          2. dimbasic
            dimbasic 15 September 2022 08: 56
            -2
            I completely agree. and the sooner they start to careless and thieving, the sooner the situation will change for the better.
          3. hector
            hector 15 September 2022 10: 23
            +6
            Quote: Hanurik
            The wind of history once again showed that it was not for nothing that Stalin carried out repressions, and although a certain number of innocent people suffered in the process, the result fully justified itself.

            This wind also shows what level of crap that constantly persists, if not cleaned, among the people.
        3. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 15 September 2022 02: 20
          +17
          This is profit, someone buys yachts, builds palaces. The ideology of the current system is profit in everything and profit from everything. Moreover, profit is not an enterprise, it is an official's profit. Some got their own, right now they will develop a new one, add powder from a bear disease, again someone will receive a profit. In general, according to the warrior. I didn’t see a single Wagner in the photo in the warrior. I saw him at parades, the question arose, HOW to crawl in it or just lie down? There, from the front, half a meter sticks out equipment.
        4. Valery Vl.
          Valery Vl. 15 September 2022 09: 03
          -7
          Close the fountain. He's vomit on you.
        5. TIR
          TIR 15 September 2022 20: 15
          +4
          To paraphrase Comrade. Stalin, then each problem has a signature, full name and position. And if it's all there, then there must be a verdict
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 September 2022 08: 56
            +1
            Quote: TIR
            To paraphrase Comrade. Stalin, then each problem has a signature, full name and position. And if it's all there, then there must be a verdict

            And many for GLASS were the flasks of the VKA of the Red Army shot before the war?
            Or for 96% belay defective belay 45 mm armor-piercing shells ??
            1. TIR
              TIR 16 September 2022 13: 11
              -2
              Judging by the howling of modern liberalism, many commanders were shot or demoted in rank. Red commanders, popular among the people, who made many mistakes, were replaced and removed to filkin positions. Factory directors who could not cope with the work, at best, hoped for sharashkas. So, by conducting a tough selection, we were able to educate the command staff and normalize the rear. But at the beginning of the war, many commanders were lost, entire industrial regions were lost, and the main agricultural lands were lost. Do you think the soft policy of the GDP and the close oligarchs could have survived in Stalin's place? I think the answer is obvious
              1. your1970
                your1970 16 September 2022 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: TIR
                Do you think the soft policy of the GDP and the close oligarchs could have survived in Stalin's place? I think the answer is obvious
                Reply

                Zhukov, as the head of the General Staff, was shot for defeating a personnel spacecraft by September?
                Read how Zhigarev in November 1941 lied in the EYES of Stalin - and don’t care. They didn’t kill or shoot. From a disastrous post they were sent to the deepest rear - to the Far East !! - continue to command.
      2. skeptic
        skeptic 14 September 2022 22: 43
        -8
        Quote from Alex
        Only one question .. Shoigu, in general, is he able to draw conclusions?

        To your pocket?
      3. Alexei
        Alexei 14 September 2022 22: 44
        +11
        Quote from Alex
        Only one question .. Shoigu, in general, is he able to draw conclusions?

        Why did they stick to Kuzhugetovich, he is a normal man: in the 80s he helped at construction sites to barge with building materials, then they put him in the Ministry of Emergencies, as he was his own, so that at the right time he would issue machine guns at the request of Gaidar in order to protect Yeltsin's reforms. Serious uncles with money respect him, because they know that he will not let them down.
        1. dauria
          dauria 14 September 2022 23: 45
          +11
          Why did they stick to Kuzhugetovich,

          Y-yes .... He was not lucky with this "war". If it weren't for her, she would have remained "strong-willed and resolute" in the eyes of Russians and especially Russians. laughing Damn Zaluzhny, so dirty his uniform.
          By the way, why was the article about convicts in PMCs demolished? Fake?
          1. eskulap
            eskulap 15 September 2022 02: 54
            +7
            No, it's a shame
          2. mitroha
            mitroha 16 September 2022 19: 27
            0
            Quote: dauria
            Damn Zaluzhny

            Yes, do not repeat nonsense, what the hell is zaluzhny, he was just standing there
      4. Veter5757
        Veter5757 14 September 2022 23: 16
        -1
        What for? He is untouchable. You can just sit on the priest and saw, saw, saw ....
        And you offer him a job.
      5. Ax Matt
        Ax Matt 14 September 2022 23: 55
        -14
        He is a lifesaver. He saves... not heals. Treats Gerasimov and Konoshenkov.
      6. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 01: 29
        +43
        Quote: kventinasd
        It's called "Remarkably Prepared for CBO"

        Where are the syringe tubes with promedol? The main painkiller that allowed us in Afghanistan to drag the boys to the sanitary battalion, and for them to survive? Disinfecting water was thrown away, 4-5 promedols were put into orange first-aid kits. Where is he now? Do the boys need it? Are there no injuries? The stupidity of modern first-aid kits rolls over ...

        Esmarch's tourniquet was thrust in. Still, Esmarch's Mug was stuffed to the heap ... Morons, damn it ...
        1. invisible_man
          invisible_man 15 September 2022 04: 30
          +3
          Like the good old days. One half of the pill is for a headache, the second is for calluses on the legs.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 20: 04
            +4
            Quote from invisible_man
            Like the good old days. One half of the pill is for a headache, the second is for calluses on the legs.

            And the wrapper is for diarrhea ... lol
            Now, more than 30 years later, I remember with warmth Sanych, a paramedic from our brigade medical unit, and how he treated all diseases with furatsilin ... lol True, he himself has always been "prophylactic" with alcohol. lolWell, so ... From germs ...
            1. dauria
              dauria 15 September 2022 20: 44
              +1
              And the wrapper is for diarrhea ...

              Igor, the scratches are not rotten? Our doctor told me so: "It's useless to treat. When you come home, it will go away by itself." He was right - at home in a week the pus was replaced by blood and everything dragged on.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 21: 33
                +2
                Quote: dauria
                Igor, the scratches are not rotten?

                The guys from the training school somewhere in the Krasnodar Territory said that a scratch rots. Because humidity. It's dry in Kandahar. Half an hour in the sun - it drags on. Plus, probably, I have good genetics - I have never had any putrefactive diseases. Yes, the skin is not quite whole, but it is easy to darn, already familiar. My wife once thought - about 30 darned scars. Army, before the army, and after ... I never hesitated to spoil the skin ...
              2. tolancop
                tolancop 15 September 2022 22: 34
                +2
                Quote: dauria
                scratches are not rotten? Our doctor told me so: "It's useless to treat. When you come home, it will pass by itself." He was right - at home in a week the pus was replaced by blood and everything dragged on.

                He was a smart doctor. I had a wound on the cut of the bootleg. Tried to treat, to no avail: crust on top, wet underneath. .and just rips off the crust with the edge of the top. Neither pills nor ointments helped. We went to the taiga, the air, pine nuts, cranberries ... healed in 3 days.
        2. AAC
          AAC 15 September 2022 06: 03
          +2
          Can anyone help:
          - [ ] Sterile bandage -2
          - [ ] API Israel -2
          - [ ] Elastic bandage 15cm - 2
          - [ ] Hemostatic celox-a, impregnated bandage (z-fold)
          - [ ] Hydrogel
          - [ ] Appolo-2 Band-Aid
          - [ ] Esmarch Harness -2
          - [ ] Turnstile
          - [ ] Catheter -2
          - [ ] Nasopharyngeal airway
          - [ ] Occlusive dressing (vent+nevent)
          - [ ] Decompression needle
          - [ ] Pins
          - [ ] Rubber bands for money
          - [ ] Straps
          - [ ] Electrical tape
          - [ ] Chlorhexidine
          - [ ] Paracetamol
          - [ ] Drotaverine
          - [ ] Adhesive plaster roll
          - [ ] Adhesive plaster mazolny
          - [ ] Iodine
          - [ ] Hand cream
          - [ ] Cotton buds
          - [ ] Soap, brush, paste, razor
          - [ ] Pen, notepad
          - [ ] Thread, needle
          - [x] Nolpaza
          - [x] Smecta
          - [x] Depanthenol Ointment
          - [x] Sinoflan Ointment
          - [x] Napkins
          - [x] Syringe -2
          - [x] Zelenka
          - [x] Naphthyzine
          - [x] Coal
          - [x] Loperamide
          - [x] Levomycetin
          - [x] Peroxide
          - [x] Scissors
          - [x] Tire - 2
          - [x] Scotch -2
          - [x] Ibuprofen 400 - 2 tbsp
          - [x] Nefopam - 2 tubes
        3. ramzay21
          ramzay21 15 September 2022 10: 54
          +9
          The stupidity of modern first-aid kits rolls over ...

          This stupidity has already killed thousands, which means it's not stupidity. This is sabotage and sabotage that resulted in the death of military personnel, which means a deliberate act aimed at undermining the combat capability of the state. For such a first-aid kit, everyone who took at least some fate should be sentenced to VMN with confiscation of property.
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 15 September 2022 18: 49
            -10
            Quote: ramzay21
            This stupidity has already killed thousands

            Why not millions?
        4. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 16 September 2022 21: 42
          0
          Is this the promedol that the stoned people pierced all over for a buzz? It has long been replaced by Ketorol. That's why there is no ketorol in AI .... And an anti-shock drug .... Question ...
      7. Old tanker
        Old tanker 16 September 2022 22: 46
        -1
        Can. Now they are not laundering a lot of dough on the development of a new first-aid kit based on a commercial version, and as a result they will buy a batch in China.
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 14 September 2022 22: 32
      +47
      The response speed is simply amazing. "Only" half a year has passed since the beginning of the NWO, and ours have already "promptly" decided (!) to start (!!) developing (!!!) a soldier's first aid kit. At last the Far-Eye Indian saw the problem. But almost from the beginning of the SVO, near-war bloggers have been talking about the obsolescence of first aid. Let's hope we get in touch in six months...
      https://vk.com/video-123538639_456281526
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 14 September 2022 22: 48
        +31
        Communication will be in 2 years.
        Previously, it was retrograde and adventurism.
        The paper with the solution should mature, become solid and give 2 steps to the title of its authors.
        Otherwise... you can't build a mansion.
        1. Hanurik
          Hanurik 14 September 2022 23: 05
          +29
          I immediately recall that at about the same time they developed and adopted the ISU-152 and immediately began to produce it. Truly, then everything was for the front, and not for the pockets of the bourgeoisie.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 15 September 2022 11: 44
            +7
            Quote: Hanurik
            I immediately recall that at about the same time they developed and adopted the ISU-152 and immediately began to produce it.

            The epic with the 152-mm self-propelled guns based on the KV dragged on from the beginning of 1942 - from the very times when, after the start of production of the KV-7, it was suddenly abandoned, and it was decided to adapt the groundwork for tanks to the case.
            And the famous decree on SU-152, in fact, was intended to stop the eternal R&D so beloved by our industry and get at least some results "in hardware".
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 01: 48
        +17
        Quote: Hyperion
        near-military bloggers spoke about the obsolescence of first aid equipment

        I came from Afghanistan more than thirty years ago, but I can say - just like in the movie about the Great Patriotic War, the sisters dragged us, healthy foreheads, on themselves. They also tore underwear for dressing, because there were not enough bandages. If you're lucky, you'll end up in a Tashkent hospital. There, bandages are wrapped in three layers.

        Maybe it's not like that now. I would like to believe...
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 15 September 2022 12: 43
          +7
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Maybe it's not like that now. I would like to believe...

          Now it’s not like that, of course, the sisters don’t carry it, but we don’t even reach the level of NATO (and even the Armed Forces of Ukraine (if we compare the regular first-aid kit, and not bought by volunteers)) we don’t reach. Rather, we hold out and have no analogues, but only in words and slogans.

          https://vk.com/wall-28504036_48452
          1. Bobik012
            Bobik012 15 September 2022 15: 34
            0
            And you know, guys, this photo breaks the article to pieces! This bottom is offered to us as a standard!? There is not even a full-fledged IPP! Fuck you...
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 15 September 2022 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: Bobik012
              This bottom is offered to us as a standard!?

              Commercial samples are offered as a standard.
              Quote: Bobik012
              There is not even a full-fledged IPP!

              How is it not? Below in the middle of the photo is a dark brown bag. An analogue of the Israeli bandage.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 19: 36
            +1
            Quote: Hyperion
            Now is not the case

            And the little blue thing at the bottom of the picture on the left is, I'm embarrassed to ask, what? It looks like some kind of nozzle for a large rubber pear ... feel Is this the main thing in an army first aid kit? And I, naively, thought that a tourniquet, bandage and promedol ...
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 15 September 2022 20: 04
              +5
              The little blue thing is the nasopharyngeal airway. It is inserted into the trachea through the nose to facilitate breathing in certain conditions. A must have in the first aid kit.
              https://vk.com/wall-110250443_25898
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 20: 11
                +2
                Quote: Hyperion
                The little blue thing is the nasopharyngeal airway. It is inserted into the trachea through the nose to facilitate breathing in certain conditions. A must have in the first aid kit.

                How many "three hundredths" he pulled out - but a thing with such a tricky name was never useful. And we didn't have them.
                They would have stuffed the ventilator right away. And they would add a special fighter to the special forces group to carry this crap. So what? Something necessary and useful - who will try to deny? ...
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 15 September 2022 21: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  They would have stuffed the ventilator right away. And they would add a special fighter to the special forces group to carry this crap.

                  Who knows? Maybe they'll add it soon. And the donkey robot will carry it.
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 21: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    Who knows? Maybe they'll add it soon. And the donkey robot will carry it.

                    Here I was in Kandahar on the pass, only such crap was missing ... laughing laughing laughing
                    Will he be able to climb where we climbed? Where not everyone will climb a saiga.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 16 September 2022 11: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      Will he be able to climb where we climbed? Where not everyone will climb a saiga.

                      If this one cannot climb, then another one will fly in.
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 16 September 2022 15: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        Will he be able to climb where we climbed? Where not everyone will climb a saiga.

                        If this one cannot climb, then another one will fly in.

                        And it's just not clear what. Not even a "turntable". You can shoot down from a slingshot. And the "spirits" "Stingers" had ...
                      2. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 September 2022 16: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        And it's just not clear what. Not even a "turntable".

                        For delivering ammo or supplies, it's better than a turntable. Smaller, quieter, more inconspicuous and unmanned. And you can knock down anything. There are no indestructible aircraft.
    3. lelik613
      lelik613 14 September 2022 22: 39
      +20
      Double the number of parachute chapels!
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 15 September 2022 00: 00
      0
      Or is he in too?

      In share.
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 15 September 2022 07: 06
      +10
      Quote: kventinasd
      It's called "Remarkably Prepared for CBO"

      Saving on matches is a diagnosis. Shine and poverty. Armats at exhibitions and T-62s on the battlefield are by no means an accident, but a characteristic feature.
      Who approved for use a stripped-down first-aid kit for a promoted warrior? Even the horses have three times more positions in it!
      A life-saving first aid kit is not something you can skimp on. A fighter who buys a commercial first aid kit understands this. MO (until the cock pecked) - no.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 15 September 2022 09: 02
        +5
        MO (until the cock pecked) - no.

        MO do not care, some of the leadership at least we will not distribute to everyone. Here they can be accused of TsIPSOshnosti, misunderstanding that it is hard for the state, etc. But fir-trees-sticks are worth looking around and a lot of questions arise for our rulers. Without boasting, I’ll say that my wife and associates have already sent more than one parcel with medicines. The wounded neighbor said that he was in trouble with the supply of medicines (he flew to Syria to complete the contract). In the letters they asked to send homeless people to eat something and cigarettes ... Enough, otherwise I sold something.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 15 September 2022 19: 44
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Saving on matches is a diagnosis.

        Classics of the genre. We smoke Marlboro, we save on matches.

        My late father always repeated one phrase that I tightly hacked into my brain
        I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things
    6. Ural resident
      Ural resident 15 September 2022 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: kventinasd
      The fighting in Ukraine showed the inconsistency of the first-aid kit

      It's called "Remarkably Prepared for CBO"
      Will Shoigu draw conclusions or is he also in business? sad
      And it will soon turn out that the Sarmatians with Daggers do not fly quite right.

      he will hang a couple more orders on his back, perhaps
    7. DrtFd
      DrtFd 16 September 2022 06: 08
      -1
      oh my god, shoigzu's whining is to blame again. I read some kind of nonsense and sketch on the internet and let's squeal

      how did the alarmists get talkers
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 September 2022 21: 52
    +41
    As experts have established, in the Russian first-aid kit, accepted for supply in 2011, there are only four items: Esmarch's hemostatic tourniquet, dressing bag, sterile hemostatic dressing, and disinfectant (tablets).
    Squalor!
    Such a composition for the widely publicized Ratnik?
    Understanding is simply unrealistic!
    Maybe some kind of nonsense or disinformation? ...
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 14 September 2022 21: 57
      +42
      A number of first-aid kits, which are called "commercial", are being tested in combat conditions; on their basis, a general set of a new first-aid kit for the army, as well as for other law enforcement agencies, will be formed, taking into account the specifics of their actions.
      And what did the whole Military Medical Academy do?
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 14 September 2022 22: 05
        +56
        Nothing so inspires troops to exploits as the execution of a rear quartermaster with big stars!
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 14 September 2022 22: 10
          +32
          mDaa... that's how much they need to be shot, but it's a shame that instead of being shot, they will receive orders and new titles... I generally keep quiet about money... and someone in the trench will rot...
        2. Living7111972
          Living7111972 14 September 2022 23: 32
          0
          In a crowd and with the burning of the head of the pot!!!
      2. ramzay21
        ramzay21 14 September 2022 22: 34
        +34
        And what did the whole Military Medical Academy do?

        Most likely, some cunning person from Serdyukov’s entourage was doing this, bought these first-aid kits ten or twenty times more expensive than they cost, and shared the difference with the patriot Serdyukov. Serdyukov is now in charge of the helicopter industry and, together with this creature and others, continue to steal. Who will punish them, they are in the team of the guarantor, but he does not give up his own.
        Another incompetent Shoigu could check something, but either he himself liked this scheme, since it has been working for 11 years, or he is not up to such trifles as first-aid kits, UAVs, thermal imagers, heavy infantry fighting vehicles. He understands more about parades and biathlons, again he built a temple. In short, our order bearer and Hero of Russia is busy with more important things.
        1. solar
          solar 15 September 2022 00: 11
          +14
          it is unlikely that they bought anything under Serdyukov, their shelf life is not infinite.
          In addition, Shoigu has his own generals for this ...
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      3. AUL
        AUL 15 September 2022 07: 09
        +13
        Quote: Victor_B
        And what did the whole Military Medical Academy do?

        And who (by surname) developed this first-aid kit and who (by surname) approved it?
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 15 September 2022 07: 15
          +12
          Quote: AUL
          And who (by surname) developed this first-aid kit and who (by surname) approved it?
          And this is something we will never know!
          For this is the main MILITARY secret!
          1. Alex Barrett
            Alex Barrett 15 September 2022 12: 09
            +2
            In fact, this is not a secret, there is an “unpacking” of this first-aid kit on YouTube (although it is made by the Ukrainian side), and so there in it (in the first-aid kit) there is an instruction for use and a list of development professors. The video is recent, it looks like this article is just a reaction to it
          2. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 16 September 2022 16: 29
            0
            Accepted for supply by order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation No. 744 dated May 21, 2011.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 15 September 2022 11: 47
        +4
        Quote: Victor_B
        And what did the whole Military Medical Academy do?

        So the VMA, most likely, gave a normal composition. first aid kits. And then optimization began - it's expensive, but it's impossible to give this to a fighter at all.

        With a first-aid kit, another question is interesting - but do they know how to use it? And then they have been writing about the deplorable state of affairs with the training of first aid personnel for 15 years. By the way, this could be one of the reasons for the reduction in the first aid kit - they still don't know how to use it, they only hurt themselves. sad
        1. your1970
          your1970 16 September 2022 09: 05
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          By the way, this could be one of the reasons for the reduction of the first-aid kit - they still don’t know how to use it, they will only harm themselves

          I don’t know for the rest - but in Kushka in 1988-89, the “Afghans” adored spreading promedol from Afghan first-aid kits ....
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 14 September 2022 22: 17
      +16
      inconsistency of the medical first-aid kit of the Ratnik equipment with modern requirements

      Now everything is clear, first-aid kits of the wrong system .....
      Everything is known through b / d, but in Syria, too, the wrong system?
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 14 September 2022 22: 45
      +9
      Quote: Victor_B
      Maybe some kind of nonsense or disinformation?

      Alas.
      Gazeta.ru covered in detail

      https://gazeta.ru/army/2022/09/12/15440425.shtml
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  3. Pereira
    Pereira 14 September 2022 21: 53
    +16
    Have effective managers tried to save money on first aid kits?
    1. Blackbeard
      Blackbeard 14 September 2022 21: 57
      +14
      they don't have to fight...
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 14 September 2022 22: 12
        +24
        Well, we fought even better. The first-aid kit only at the sanitary instructor. They collected it at will. Promedol, again, at the medical instructor. Well, not often had to use.
        1. Living7111972
          Living7111972 14 September 2022 23: 36
          +13
          Harness, IPP, what else is needed for self-help and mutual assistance. Promedol is only ideological and under signature with a return. Everything else is a medical officer, paramedic and chief medical officer. There won’t be a damn thing without a blanket ... Keep your BC. 1000 if you don’t have it in your backpack, then you are walking.
          1. solar
            solar 15 September 2022 00: 19
            +14
            There won’t be a damn thing without a blanket ... Keep your BC. 1000 if you don’t have it in your backpack, then you are walking.

            a thermal blanket is needed for large blood loss during injury, from hypothermia. It weighs from 50 grams - like 3-4 rounds of 7,62 × 39, it will not greatly affect the ammunition load ..
        2. dauria
          dauria 15 September 2022 00: 12
          +12
          Well, we fought even better. The first-aid kit only at the sanitary instructor.

          Since it's on topic. A front-line Jew told me this anecdote about 30 years ago. Elderly, over 70. Grandfather is simple, kind. He lived out his life in a one-room Khrushchev with his wife.
          A Jew sits in a trench and yells
          - Nurse! Sa-ni-taaar!!!
          The orderly comes running
          - What are you yelling at?
          -Stay right there, it hurts me.
        3. AAC
          AAC 15 September 2022 08: 31
          +5
          What are the side effects of promedol? Do you have naloxone with you?
          Can you put in a catheter?

          We found out here that the head of the medical service of one brigade does not know how to use hemostatics. What can we say about ordinary fighters and promedol / morphine. Yes, we have 99,9% of the fighters do not know how to provide first aid in case of injury. Nobody teaches. The tourniquet is still being wound on the butt.
          The US Marines have 400 hours of medicine a year. Yes, an ordinary fighter can help no worse than a medical instructor (or even better). This problem needs to be comprehensively addressed. Completely revise the composition of the first-aid kit and teach it how to use it as disassembling an AK. Now I have to collect a first aid kit myself, even the minimum costs about 40-50k. And a normal medical orderly under the lamb. Another regional hospital will envy. And the fighters have to be trained at their expense (consumables are expensive). Well, except for the base, at least how to apply a tourniquet quickly and efficiently.
          1. Lykases1
            Lykases1 15 September 2022 09: 10
            +3
            A side effect of promedol? Yes, like all narcotic analgesics. Only it is synthetic and depresses the respiratory center less. And in general, only isotonic solution has no side effects. I don’t know what Naloxone is. In 99 this drug was not studied. Where did you decide to put the catheter on the battlefield? Anesthetize, stop the bleeding, immobilize the limbs, if necessary, evacuate. That's all that can be done, if simplified. That is, I collected the bag from this principle - dressing in all forms. I especially liked the Soviet IPP, harnesses, a pair of tires. Well, iodine, brilliant green, peroxide and the most common pills. For most situations, this is with your head.
            1. AAC
              AAC 15 September 2022 10: 11
              +3
              The main side effect of opioids is a drop in blood pressure. It already fell from blood loss (we think so) so we also lower it with the drug. And along the way, it happens two or three times they will prick. And with the cartoons the fighter departs. Nalaxone antagonist in overdose. I don't carry it with me, I hope I don't need it. For anesthesia, take nefopam with you. Neither one nor the other has tried it on himself, but experienced people say it is no worse and safer.

              Your order is broken (suppose a wound in a limb). First, we stop the bleeding. With a number of solvable wounds, 40 seconds from 300 to 200 is enough. A tourniquet / tourniquet (it’s better to have time to apply it yourself while you are conscious, so the tourniquet is on the unloading strap), pull it out of the red zone, anesthesia, hemostatics - most often you need the help of a friend, we wrap the IPP (at me Israeli) and immobilization of any injuries is more difficult than average, evacuation to the green zone. All this takes a couple of minutes.

              If the blood loss is not large, then everything will be fine. What if it's big? You need at least some saline. And it will not be very bad if a catheter is placed on the wounded while the medical officer is struggling with stopping the blood. The less blood, the less chance of a quick bet.

              And all this crap you need to carry with you. Because the cases are different. I gave the composition of my first aid kit somewhere above. There are both emergency and household.
              1. Lykases1
                Lykases1 15 September 2022 11: 33
                0
                He said promedol synthetic. The order is not violated. An injection of an analgesic takes seconds, and death from a painful shock is a reality. Plus a fighter can be bombarded. I found where to inject - inject. Naturally, if an artery is damaged, we stop the blood, but the reality is that you may simply not be in time for such a wounded person. There is a fountain of blood.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 15 September 2022 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: AAC
                Tourniquet / tourniquet (it’s better to have time to apply it yourself while you are conscious, so the tourniquet is on the unloading strap), pull it out of the red zone, anesthesia, hemostatics - most often you need the help of a friend, we wrap up the IPP (I have an Israeli one) and immobilization of any injuries is more difficult than average, evacuation to green zone. All this takes a couple of minutes.

                When applying a tourniquet, it is still necessary to indicate the time - at least slip a note, at least write with a marker on the forehead. And that could end badly...
                1. AAC
                  AAC 15 September 2022 13: 43
                  +2
                  We were taught that a normal medical officer flushes every 40 minutes, despite the inscriptions and notes.
          2. Bobik012
            Bobik012 15 September 2022 11: 05
            +3
            The US Marines have 400 hours of medicine per year.
            I remembered an anecdote about an elderly lover, "well, tell me like that ...." I think everything is not bad on paper either. And who fights, learns quickly. I don’t know about promedol, but here is a thermal blanket and medical gloves in an individual first-aid kit on the battlefield, the first necessity. I understand that this ukrohaiter is working out his salary, but let him first answer how many first-aid kits he advertises in ukrovermacht? Things? Who's to say what props you'll have time to use in battle, except for a tourniquet and an IPP? (Well, yes, I agree with promedol, and there is no need for a side effect, without it the side effect is much worse). By the way, there is no promedol in the first-aid kit, it is according to NATO standards (gloves are more important there, Come on, and there is a condom). Remember Soviet household first-aid kits with a measuring cup, which was unsuitable even for vodka, or a first-aid kit with validol and nitroglycerin forever expired. Maybe you should not overload a necessary and very necessary item with unnecessary devices, even for the sake of fashion. It is certainly worth drawing conclusions from the hostilities. But what you should not do is the conclusions from such publications
    2. PN
      PN 14 September 2022 22: 00
      +9
      The final word on acceptance rests with the military, not with the managers.
      1. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 14 September 2022 22: 06
        +5
        You are seriously mistaken, not 1984 in the yard ...
        1. PN
          PN 14 September 2022 22: 17
          +3
          No, I'm not mistaken. Faced with military acceptance.
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 15 September 2022 00: 48
            +10
            Yeah, military acceptance, an interesting thing. It’s interesting how they accept that the same Kuguzhetovich personally stated that, following the results of the Syrian campaign, about a dozen and a half samples of military equipment and weapons had to be written off as useless. But they passed all the tests and acceptance))) either the military has the wrong system, or the acceptance of blondes? So it is with first aid kits - they developed a list, tested it, accepted it. ..And this is in the 21st century, when there is a colossal experience of military field medicine from the Second World War to the Syrian operation. The experience of foreign armies, which was also studied (20 years ago, at the military department, a teacher who passed Afghan and lost his arm there told a lot of interesting things on this topic - from completing first-aid kits to the stages and timing of the evacuation of the wounded) There were a lot of IA samples, both ours and foreign, which could be compared and put together a normal version ... but ... soldiers pray to God, there they built a temple for you. In general, no matter what news, that there is an acute desire to perform a rite of black magic to summon the spirit of the temporary detention center))) No wonder they probably adopted a law prohibiting criticism of the authorities so quickly)))
            1. Chief Officer Lom
              Chief Officer Lom 15 September 2022 01: 50
              +9
              Military acceptance controls the compliance of the quality and characteristics of weapons or other property received from the industry with those stated in the documents, and which ones are needed is not for them to decide, this is done by more "important" people who issue orders and approve those. tasks.
    3. Hanurik
      Hanurik 14 September 2022 23: 06
      +5
      There is no such crime that capital will not dare because of profit.
    4. Astra55
      Astra55 14 September 2022 23: 32
      +22
      managers tried to save

      Save?
      Managers?
      It seems to me that while the first-aid kit was traveling from Wuhan to Moscow, its price grew 20 times.
  4. Heisenberg
    Heisenberg 14 September 2022 21: 56
    +34
    Currently, the Russian military involved in the special operation in Ukraine mainly uses individual medical kits purchased at their own expense, produced by commercial companies.
    Do we really have the second army of the world?
    1. Rikochet
      Rikochet 14 September 2022 22: 06
      +32
      Yes, the truth is the second army of the third world.
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 15 September 2022 16: 32
      0
      Truth. But it was not specified from which end.
  5. Horus
    Horus 14 September 2022 21: 59
    +25
    Develop a first-aid kit?) But you can’t just copy the Khokhlyatskaya one, ask the soldiers what they need and add it, maybe this Central Research Institute in FIG. How would it be better without the paperwork of tenders.
    1. olegff68
      olegff68 14 September 2022 22: 07
      +37
      There, at the "development", so much money will be cut down that a bunch of generals will have new 5-meter chandeliers in their dachas. How so, without development then?
      1. Horus
        Horus 14 September 2022 22: 15
        +17
        Agree completely. At one time I was involved in procurement, I saw everything with my own eyes.
    2. Yapet100
      Yapet100 14 September 2022 22: 48
      +6
      Or maybe it's better to copy the NATO one ???
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 14 September 2022 22: 50
      +6
      Quote: Horus
      Develop a first-aid kit?) But you can’t just copy Khokhlatskaya

      There is no such need.
      There are "serious" commercial kits.
      From TD "Appolo" and from NPF "Transmedtech".
      1. Horus
        Horus 14 September 2022 23: 18
        +7
        Yes, I exaggerate. Of course, we have everything, and not only first-aid kits, everything you need, except for smart rulers. Corruption and bureaucracy is leading my beloved homeland to disaster.
    4. barclay
      barclay 14 September 2022 23: 00
      +9
      Quote: Horus
      And you can’t just copy Khokhlatskaya,

      And their first-aid kit is probably copied from some NATO one. What is listed in it are elementary necessary items. They just think with their heads and do what is necessary in a critical combat situation. And they spare no expense for it. This is a normal civilized approach to first aid.
      The French have, for example, a marching dropper, which can be attached to a fighter's helmet. But this is for us - distant space.
    5. Lex_is
      Lex_is 14 September 2022 23: 40
      +12
      And with whom to conclude a tender for development with fighters and volunteers who, with the money of caring citizens, collect normal first-aid kits with what they really need to collect? No, this is not a MO method ... Here we need a tender for 300 lyams for the development of the composition, then a couple of years of testing a tender for 500 lyams for revision a couple of years of testing ...
      Seriously, in short, everything should be, without any Makhnovism and unnecessary initiatives from below.
    6. 123_123
      123_123 15 September 2022 07: 08
      +4
      Quote: Horus
      Develop a first-aid kit?) But you can’t just copy the Khokhlyatskaya one, ask the soldiers what they need and add it, maybe this Central Research Institute in FIG. How would it be better without the paperwork of tenders.

      Surely this is the best option. At least temporarily, for the time of the Ukrainian company. The cycle of development - acceptance - production will take a long time. Well, in parallel, if necessary, you can develop.
  6. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 14 September 2022 22: 03
    +16
    Pierced, so pierced! Now we need to urgently replenish with new ones. Copy NATO and don't worry!
  7. Ivan Fokin_2
    Ivan Fokin_2 14 September 2022 22: 03
    -10
    Damn, you read the comments as if you are on a Ukrainian resource, everything Russian is being ridiculed.
    1. Dmitry Potapov
      Dmitry Potapov 14 September 2022 22: 18
      +20
      Yes, I’m not cheating, I don’t understand why the analysis is not being done, as is done by others? Well, in Afghanistan, camel's thorn water was brewed from dysentery, but in the forests of Ukraine, how to quickly make water suitable for drinking? I remember there were pills under the Union too!
      1. Aag
        Aag 14 September 2022 22: 36
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        Yes, I’m not cheating, I don’t understand why the analysis is not being done, as is done by others? Well, in Afghanistan, camel's thorn water was brewed from dysentery, but in the forests of Ukraine, how to quickly make water suitable for drinking? I remember there were pills under the Union too!

        There were ... And there are. In my garage, overdue ... But during my service (21 years) I have never seen ... I heard, during my years of study at a higher educational institution.
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 14 September 2022 22: 38
        +5
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        and in the forests of Ukraine how quickly to make water suitable for drinking?

        Without detracting from the inexplicable scarcity of the first-aid kit, there are still disinfectant tablets.
      3. user1212
        user1212 15 September 2022 05: 10
        +8
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        Yes, I’m not cheating, I don’t understand why the analysis is not being done, as done by others?

        There is such a thing as tradition, sacredly revered by our vast military. For example, sleep in the classroom for military field medicine. This tradition has been sacredly revered by everyone since time immemorial. For example, offhand, 70 percent of contract soldiers in a combat situation are not able to impose an esmarch. At all. They will rip him apart. They have been saying for a long time that it is necessary to switch to turnstiles, we even produce them. But military doctors from the "big institute" are sure that the esmarch is more universal. This, of course, is true, but the turnstile is much easier to teach a soldier, and in a combat situation the soldier is less likely to get it right. In general, military doctors from research institutes have long been engaged in garbage, which it is time to stop
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 15 September 2022 15: 25
          +1
          Military doctors are just horsemen. They don't have anything. Maybe somewhere something in the medical battalion. Nothing at the infirmary.
    2. Interpreter
      Interpreter 14 September 2022 22: 27
      +5
      Read an article instead of comments - it is there that the Russian is being scolded.
      The comments are already just freaking out.
    3. for
      for 14 September 2022 23: 17
      0
      Quote: Ivan Fokin_2
      Damn, you read the comments as if you are on a Ukrainian resource

      You live in Russia, but you think that in / in Ukraine.
    4. Lex_is
      Lex_is 14 September 2022 23: 43
      +6
      Yes, in general, they were disgusted, no, to rejoice that at least Esmarch's tourniquet and a bandage were given. They could not give.
    5. Bobik012
      Bobik012 15 September 2022 11: 14
      -2
      as if you are on a Ukrainian resource

      Where do you think American aid goes? including this. The guys do not knock on the keys for free.
      Although, rather than knocking. Copied and pasted. Everything is already invented for them, to speed up the process. You have noticed that their activity works for certain articles. Those. a provocative article is thrown in and they are given a face, well, so that the blanks are on topic. It creates the appearance of public opinion. Never mind, most of our people are normal. It's just that shit always floats on top, that's why it's more noticeable
  8. Reindeer
    Reindeer 14 September 2022 22: 10
    +3
    Whereas in the individual first-aid kits of the Ukrainian military there are 13 positions, where, in addition to dressings, there is a thermal blanket, special scissors, medical gloves, a card of the injured soldier and a waterproof marker for applying information.


    Things are certainly necessary, but hardly critical ... and so - it's high time, a very important matter.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 14 September 2022 22: 42
      +9
      In fact, a waterproof marker is an essential thing in the first aid kit, you can write when the tourniquet is installed with blood, but it’s better with a marker. As well as other information. And a thermal blanket too, although I don’t know what it is called there
      1. dauria
        dauria 14 September 2022 23: 02
        +4
        And a thermal blanket too, although I don’t know what it is called there

        Yes, the film is probably with aluminum coating. They freeze great with blood loss. But were you afraid to give a syringe-tube with painkillers? We have two Arkharovites managed to "communize" all the atropine from individual packages at the doctor's. The buzz was caught. But then there were "chemical" packages.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 14 September 2022 23: 14
        +1
        Shiny cover.
      3. Slon_on
        Slon_on 14 September 2022 23: 25
        +2
        Yes sir. And the marker is also useful for delineating the location of the hematoma in order to control its spread.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 14 September 2022 23: 44
      +2
      They are hardly critical only for those who do not care what percentage of fighters after being wounded will survive and will not become disabled.
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 15 September 2022 19: 02
      -2
      But did the ukrovoyaks themselves see it all? According to the videos that are there, everything is more deplorable than ours.
  9. Anadyrean
    Anadyrean 14 September 2022 22: 11
    +10
    SHAME. Someone cut the loot well.
    1. Aag
      Aag 14 September 2022 22: 44
      +12
      Quote: Anadyrean
      SHAME. Someone cut the loot well.

      Hmm ... "Pandemic" then remember the recent, past (I'm afraid of the upcoming one - the numbers for the sick are comparable!)
      How many officials "burned out" on the "purchases" of masks? And Madame Arbidol is still in trend, sorry for the expression...
  10. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 14 September 2022 22: 13
    +12
    Evil takes, found where to save!
    1. The comment was deleted.
  11. salad
    salad 14 September 2022 22: 18
    +18
    In the car first-aid kit FEST and then most of all
    1. cloner
      cloner 14 September 2022 23: 16
      +2
      So my friends have long been saying that the most valuable trophy is the NATO first aid kit. They take two with them: one of ours, but they throw out the tourniquet because it's shit and NATO.
  12. Interpreter
    Interpreter 14 September 2022 22: 25
    +13
    Whole, you know Board of the military-industrial commission.
    Not khukhr-muhr.
    These specially trained people could not be mistaken.
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 14 September 2022 22: 25
    +5
    The fighting in Ukraine showed the discrepancy between the medical first-aid kit of the Ratnik equipment and modern requirements
    It took almost thirty years to realize! What was in the way before? Truly, until someone responsible is sent to the front, nothing will move! sad
  14. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 14 September 2022 22: 28
    +17
    only four positions: Esmarch's hemostatic tourniquet, dressing bag, sterile hemostatic dressing, disinfectant (tablets)

    What moron accepted such a first aid kit? Where are the painkillers? When injured, they often die from pain shock.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 14 September 2022 22: 46
      +2
      Quote from Scientist
      only four positions: Esmarch's hemostatic tourniquet, dressing bag, sterile hemostatic dressing, disinfectant (tablets)

      What moron accepted such a first aid kit? Where are the painkillers? When injured, they often die from pain shock.

      This is generally beyond understanding, maybe the journalists got it wrong. For how it was possible to take a first-aid kit in the Armed Forces without an anesthetic is completely incomprehensible
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 September 2022 23: 13
      -1
      Quote from Scientist
      When injured, they often die from pain shock.

      The most common shock from which they die is hypovolemic, associated with fluid loss. Therefore, a tourniquet and bandages - to prevent blood loss. Painkillers are usually morphine. Give it to everyone - they'll hang around.
    3. restless
      restless 15 September 2022 00: 44
      +7
      In the first and second Chechen companies, there was a syringe tube with promidol in the first-aid kits and it numbed well with penetrating and fragments of limbs, but here without analgesics it’s generally terrible, the number of deaths with such a first-aid kit will be twice as high, and this is direct sabotage, all because no one is responsible for anything...
      1. dnestr74
        dnestr74 15 September 2022 08: 17
        +3
        I confirm the second one was...
  15. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 14 September 2022 22: 33
    +12
    Quote: Ivan Fokin_2
    Damn, you read the comments as if you are on a Ukrainian resource, everything Russian is being ridiculed.

    Do you think this kit is good? This is blatant bullshit.
  16. Arkady007
    Arkady007 14 September 2022 22: 33
    +9
    A complete analogy with first-aid kits for a car. There is nothing but bandages.
    It looks like whoever paid the most won the tender.
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 14 September 2022 22: 34
    -2
    Quote: 4ekist
    inconsistency of the medical first-aid kit of the Ratnik equipment with modern requirements

    Now everything is clear, first-aid kits of the wrong system .....
    Everything is known through b / d, but in Syria, too, the wrong system?

    Have you been to Syria, did you happen to use the AI-3-1BC? sad
  18. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 September 2022 22: 34
    +9
    Why are you different?! Should rejoice!!!

    Finally, the army command drew attention to the individual first-aid kits of soldiers and officers. With such a set, we fought in Afghanistan and in Chechnya and with Georgia and Syria.

    Maybe they will finally begin to conduct classes in medical training with the acceptance of tests, and they will begin to appoint sanitary instructors only after special courses, and not everyone in a row.

    And then, for example, that many have heard that a tourniquet is applied, but most do not know how to apply it correctly and in what cases, and sometimes it was applied when it was not necessary, which subsequently led to amputation of the limb, and not all of them need to be loosened every 30 minutes they know about how to put on a bandage and about many other things in general, the majority have no idea.
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 14 September 2022 22: 43
      +11
      Yes, here and a waterproof marker, not everyone understands why it is needed. Turnstile - "not tight", hemostatic - "well, grandfathers managed with bandages." "And finally, the soldier will not be able to use anything, he does not need first-aid kits or collimators, artillery steers"
      Further (already from me) - Lavrov's quote.
    2. restless
      restless 15 September 2022 10: 48
      +1
      "Why are you different?! You should rejoice!!!

      Finally, the army command drew attention to the individual first-aid kits of soldiers and officers. With such a set, we also fought in Afghanistan in Chechnya and with Georgia and in Syria.

      Dear, why rejoice? Because they paid attention? So, what is next ? Until everyone agrees, orders, tenders are placed, put into production, put into the troops, it will take two or three years, how many fighters will die during this time. I can’t speak for Afghanistan, but in two Chechen companies a syringe tube with promidol was an anesthetic drug in every first aid kit, they were successfully used for injuries and there was no getting used to it, but the fact that painkillers-analgesics are necessary is one hundred percent, pain shock provokes loss consciousness, and in combat conditions this is fraught with the irretrievable loss of a fighter, the faster the wounded recovers from pain, the sooner he will give himself first aid and remain alive to wait for transport to the hospital ...
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 15 September 2022 12: 34
        -1
        Dear, why rejoice? Because they paid attention? So, what is next ? Until everyone agrees, orders, tenders are placed, put into production, put into the troops, it will take two or three years, how many fighters will die during this time.


        I don't get it, are you suggesting we leave it as it is?

        Esmarch's tourniquet and a couple of IPPs with water disinfection tablets are enough for you?

        I served in Chechnya under a contract for 9 years, I didn’t see any individual first-aid kits with painkillers, no one conducted medical training with us. Maybe before the battle they should give her away, I don’t know, he served on the border.
        1. RED_ICE
          RED_ICE 15 September 2022 19: 31
          +2
          I was in 487 pogo, he served in the first and second. We were also not given first-aid kits))) only IPP)))
      2. your1970
        your1970 16 September 2022 09: 19
        0
        Quote: restless
        two Chechen companies syringe tube with promidol pain medication was in every first aid kit, they were successfully used for wounds and there was no getting used to it

        And right there
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Served in Chechnya under a contract for 9 years I did not see individual first-aid kits with painkillers no one conducted medical training with us. Maybe before the battle they should give her away, I don’t know, he served on the border.

        Quote: RED_ICE
        I was in 487 pogo, he served in the first and second. We were also not given first-aid kits))) only IPP)))


        Especially delivered - about the lack of addiction to promedol, yeah ...
  19. Mexican. 29
    Mexican. 29 14 September 2022 22: 34
    +6
    And all because the needs of the fighters are taken into account last when delivering this “product” to the troops. But I'm willing to bet someone made very good money on contracts. We need to think about people! In everything, down to every little thing
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 15 September 2022 12: 30
      -1
      And all because the needs of the fighters are taken into account last when delivering this “product” to the troops. But I'm willing to bet someone made very good money on contracts. We need to think about people! In everything, down to every little thing


      Well, what are you carrying? On what contracts? Haven't posted anything yet!!!

      And what do you think the re-equipment of the army should look like in terms of medical support for soldiers on the front line? Tell me, it's very interesting how you would do it without contracts and everything else.
  20. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 14 September 2022 22: 39
    +11
    Quote from Alex
    Only one question .. Shoigu, in general, is he able to draw conclusions?

    What is the demand from him, he is actually not a military man at all - he did not even serve in the army.
    1. Interpreter
      Interpreter 14 September 2022 22: 50
      0
      So everyone already understood about his fighting skills.
      But here some people said that he was there as an effective manager / supply manager, etc.
      Surely he was able to deal with the provision?
  21. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 14 September 2022 22: 40
    +2
    Now they will develop a year or two, carry out tests, what color gloves are needed, then they will carry out the purchase ... in short, saving the drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. Just think, war .. oh, NWO is coming.
    It is necessary not to procrastinate at the boards, but to buy directly - Russian manufacturers make good first-aid kits. And give money to expand production. In 2 months the issue would be resolved.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 14 September 2022 22: 46
      0
      The fact of the matter is that far from everything is made by Russian manufacturers.

      We don’t have the same American CAT-type tourniquets and bandages like the Jews, we have something similar, but still worse.

      But in general, it's good that at least now they paid attention to it.
      1. cloner
        cloner 14 September 2022 23: 20
        +1
        This is how NATO turnstiles are used in the NWO, and tourniquets are thrown out of our first-aid kits. And in general, the most valuable trophy is the NATO first aid kit.
  22. Alexey Lantukh
    Alexey Lantukh 14 September 2022 22: 40
    +1
    Even first-aid kits were not formed properly.
  23. Interpreter
    Interpreter 14 September 2022 22: 41
    +5
    The order from the Kremlin came, the article about Prigozhin was deleted.
    Do you see a convict in the Donbass? Not? And he is there)))
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 14 September 2022 23: 10
      +2
      And the truth was, I wanted to read laughing
  24. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 14 September 2022 22: 57
    +3
    1.Need anesthetization
    2. need antibiotics
    3. need antiemetics and antidiarrheals
    This is more important than anything else for the first time
  25. Genry
    Genry 14 September 2022 23: 05
    +1
    People are tearing their asses here, but for what?
    Whereas in the individual first-aid kits of the Ukrainian military there are 13 positions, where, in addition to dressings, there is a thermal blanket, special scissors, medical gloves, a card of the injured soldier and a waterproof marker for applying information.

    In battle, you can only use a tourniquet / turnstile. A few anabolic tablets are also a must. It can be hidden in an easily accessible pocket.
    In the other pocket - a sterile dressing bag for penetrating...
    There is also a bag in the backpack just in case and some water (due to the severe dryness in the mouth, half a liter is immediately gulped down).

    The rest is only another person who will help - most likely performing the functions of an orderly. So he should have the most equipped backpack with all sorts of blankets, tools, droppers.
    1. solar
      solar 15 September 2022 00: 46
      +3
      a thermal blanket is not a blanket, but a light spray film, a package the size of a bandage and weighing 50 grams, reduces body heat loss, which is important in case of blood loss during injury. Droppers are another matter, a doctor is needed there.
  26. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 14 September 2022 23: 07
    +5
    hemostatic Esmarch's tourniquet, dressing bag, sterile hemostatic dressing agent, disinfectant (tablets).

    At my age, the Israeli army had about the same set. The soldier of the military assistant, of course, is much more serious, includes packages with saline and a system and much more. But for a simple soldier, this is enough. As for the Ukrainian set, if everyone has it, honor and praise be to them, but, in my opinion, we are talking about a fighter specially trained in first aid.
    1. solar
      solar 15 September 2022 00: 40
      +1
      I think it’s better to use a thermal cover for large blood loss or make a note with a marker about the time of application - it’s not necessary that a doctor with a special education is needed. One or two lessons are enough, and anyone closest to the wounded will be able to correctly and quickly provide such assistance.
      A dropper, yes, preparation is needed there.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 15 September 2022 00: 44
        0
        Quote from solar
        with a lot of blood loss

        For burns, frostbite and more.
        Quote from solar
        make a note with a marker about the time of application - it is not necessary that a physician with a special education is needed.

        It's definitely
        Quote from solar
        One or two lessons are enough, and anyone closest to the wounded will be able to correctly and quickly provide such assistance.

        I agree, but all this, including scissors, takes up little, but space in unloading, pockets, etc. This is in addition to your combat cargo (magazines, grenades, ammunition, etc.).
        1. solar
          solar 15 September 2022 01: 24
          +2
          As far as you can understand from the Internet, everything is placed in a first aid kit with a universal NATO MOLLE attachment system for attaching it to equipment. The first-aid kit itself is made by analogy with the NATO one.
          The turnstile is attached separately, either on the first-aid kit itself or on the elements of the equipment.
          for example
          First aid kit tactical INAP APU
          The tactical first aid kit is designed specifically in such a way that, with the help of its contents, in the shortest possible time, eliminate emergency bleeding of the limbs, damage to the chest (open pneumothorax) and other life-threatening conditions.
          The pharmacy pouch is made of water-repellent fabric in pixel camouflage colors, the walls of the pouch are reinforced with plastic inserts for additional protection of the contents from deformation: compression and shock.
          Inside the pouch has a special insert for the contents, which is attached to the pouch itself with an elastic twisted cord.
          The pharmacy pouch is equipped with an additional pouch for a turnstile, which, thanks to the presence of MOLLE system slings, can be additionally placed on the unloading, body armor, belt or backpack.
          The first aid kit itself at the back is also equipped with MOLLE straps for attaching it to equipment.

          The design is thoughtful - inserts for strength, inserts, a turnstile separately with the possibility of fastening - it was clearly a NATO sample.
          The content, as I understand it, is also copied from NATO

          1 tactical first aid kit pouch 1 pc
          2 Tourniquet “Paramedic” 2 pcs
          3 Compression bandage "Paramedic" with one pillow 1 pc
          4 Hemostatic hemostatic bandage 1 pc
          5 Occlusal sticker Paramedic Chest Seal 2 pcs
          6 Nasopharyngeal air duct (air duct, tube) 1 pc.
          7 Tactical scissors 7.5″ 1 pc
          8 Sterile gauze bandage 7m x 14cm 1 piece
          9 Medical nitrile gloves (size L or XL) 2 pcs
          10 Thermal blanket 1 pc
          11 Adhesive plaster on a non-woven basis 3 cm x5m 1 pc
          12 Waterproof marker for drawing information 1 pc
          13 Card of the injured fighter (standard pattern) 1 pc.

          Even the air duct was turned on if the tongue sunk during loss of consciousness. A trifle, but in some cases very important.
          And the dropper and other medicines, it seems, are in the medic's bag.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 15 September 2022 02: 03
            +5
            Quote from solar
            open pneumothorax

            This is for a fighter with special medical training
            Quote from solar
            Even the air duct was turned on if the tongue sunk during loss of consciousness. A trifle, but in some cases very important.

            This is not a trifle - it gives air access to an unconscious person, prevents the "falling of the base of the tongue" - a thing no less important than a tourniquet))
            Quote from solar
            And the dropper and other medicines, it seems, are in the medic's bag.

            This is a different level of training and other equipment - in the Israel Defense Forces, I took such a course for 4 months.
            1. solar
              solar 15 September 2022 02: 54
              +1
              Quote from solar
              open pneumothorax

              This is for a fighter with special medical training

              As far as I understand, in the first aid kit for this "Occlusal sticker Paramedic Chest Seal"
              Paramedic Chest Seal Combo Pack
              Occlusive dressing is a modern tool for providing first aid for penetrating wounds of the chest.

              Paramedic Chest Seal Combo Pack consists of two dressings: ventilated and non-ventilated.

              Both dressings are supplied in sealed packaging, in which they do not bend and do not lose their properties... non-ventilated bandage.

              With developing or tension pneumothorax, it is suggested to use a second ventilated occlusive dressing, which will not allow air to enter the lung space - the pleural cavity, but at the same time, allowing the already accumulated air to leave the lung area .... has an extremely adhesive surface that allows you to stick the bandage even on wet or dirty chest

              That is, in fact, these are two sticky stickers that are not very difficult to use. You only need to instruct which sticker to use in which case and show how it is glued.
              As for me, it’s not such a difficult task for the last training session on the use of a first-aid kit.
              But on the other hand, I'm not a doctor, of course.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 September 2022 03: 10
                +2
                Have advanced since 1998-zero))
                Everything was more difficult for us
                Understand, here it is still necessary to distinguish pneumothorax from tension pneumothorax in the conditions of the battle / immediately after the battle, to distinguish the so-called. paradoxical breathing and only after that decide which sticker to attach))
                Once again, this is for a medical officer or something like that. If this is distributed to everyone, which I do not consider possible for a 40 million country with a GDP of 40% of 9 million Israel, then this is either wastefulness or a freebie (a huge supply from the West) or a cut. The most important thing is that instead of it you can attach more useful things in battle / field life to armor / unloading, but:
                If, in addition to the military assistant, in a platoon, say, there are three such specially trained fighters, then this is cool.
                1. solar
                  solar 15 September 2022 12: 10
                  +3
                  I think Israel has not been fighting so intensively recently to make changes to the composition of the first-aid kit. And even earlier, the intensity of the fighting was not the same as now, and the number of dead is much less. And here the situation is, if one out of ten who needs it helps, then it already makes sense to put it in the first aid kit.
                  But in general, as I wrote, I am not a doctor, and I don’t know how they instruct on the use of a first-aid kit.
                  The price of the version of the first-aid kit that I described when selling at retail on the Internet is about 90-100 dollars, there are simpler and cheaper options, but the list of components is the same.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 15 September 2022 12: 19
                    0
                    Quote from solar
                    I think Israel has not been fighting so intensively recently to make changes to the composition of the first-aid kit.

                    But, they were
                    Quote from solar
                    And even earlier, the intensity of the fighting was not the same as now, and the number of dead is much less.

                    It depends on what period of time we are talking about - it has been higher.
                    Quote from solar
                    And here the situation is, if one out of ten who needs it helps, then it already makes sense to put it in the first aid kit.

                    Well, here it is
                    Quote from solar
                    The price of the first-aid kit option that I described when selling at retail on the Internet is about 90-100 dollars,

                    Not expensive, basically.
  27. Oleg_8
    Oleg_8 14 September 2022 23: 12
    +1
    Well, then, what else do you need from a firearm? Nasal drops? And a signature marker on a plastic card won't exactly help with a hemorrhage. In general, there are personal tokens, chevrons with a blood type. What else do you need??? Scissors? Well, there are knives ... some kind of garbage ... here a thermal blanket is possible. But let's not exaggerate ... do you have any slippers in your cars that are not expired? And he eats scissors? Yes?
  28. Slon_on
    Slon_on 14 September 2022 23: 15
    +4
    It turns out that a whole research institute was developing a first-aid kit, which turned out to be ineffective on the battlefield as a result? Under it, budget money was "mastered", received bonuses, eloquently reported at meetings, and will they still be finalized for years? When you just need to buy these scissors, blankets, etc. and put in APPI!
    1. newtc7
      newtc7 14 September 2022 23: 22
      +4
      Imperishable classics of public procurement.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 15 September 2022 00: 47
      +3
      Quote: Slon_on
      It turns out that a whole research institute was developing a first-aid kit, which ended up being ineffective on the battlefield?
      So this is exactly what was written in the TK.
  29. gromit
    gromit 14 September 2022 23: 16
    +7
    They will develop, test, form ... They will saw it up and steal it.


    Go to the travel store, buy a normal first aid kit, then go to the pharmacy and buy "thermal blanket, special scissors, medical gloves, an injured fighter card and a waterproof marker for writing information."
    Order in bulk on Aliexpress.

    TsNIITochmash will provide first aid kits for the price of a fighter wing right after the war.
  30. newtc7
    newtc7 14 September 2022 23: 21
    +1
    Why not just buy them from those commercial companies?
    However, the question is rhetorical, and so it is clear.
  31. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 September 2022 23: 27
    0
    First aid kits may be good, but does everyone have them? if the soldiers are at the forefront
  32. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 14 September 2022 23: 29
    +3
    Quote: Krasnodar

    Painkillers are usually morphine. Give it to everyone - they'll hang around.

    With one dose do not storchatsya. And then, I believe that almost all soldiers will leave this dose as a last resort. Someone can and will use it not on business - well, it's his own fault. You can at least add ketonal to the first aid kit.
    Recently, we had a “pop” at work and a fire, a person received a burn of 52% of the body surface. Well, the ambulance quickly arrived, plus I cooled his skin with a fire extinguisher, but there is no such possibility on the battlefield.
    1. Bobik012
      Bobik012 15 September 2022 15: 48
      +1
      all soldiers will save this dose as a last resort
      Experience suggests otherwise. During the Great War, NZ was eaten by personnel at the first opportunity. You never know what... Why products disappear?
    2. Bobik012
      Bobik012 15 September 2022 15: 49
      0
      plus I cooled his skin with a fire extinguisher
      amplifying the trauma. I have no words!
  33. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 14 September 2022 23: 42
    0
    Quote: Translator

    Surely he was able to deal with the provision?

    So he spent his whole life in warm offices, how could he know what is really needed in first-aid kits. I have the same garbage at work - the composition of the first-aid kit is inadequate for work, I supplement it myself.
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  35. Ivan Fokin_2
    Ivan Fokin_2 15 September 2022 00: 07
    -7
    Admins, pay attention to the discrediting of the Russian armed forces and command.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 September 2022 09: 38
      +4
      Quote: Ivan Fokin_2
      Admins, pay attention to the discrediting of the Russian armed forces and command.

      Calm down, bro, everything is fine with us, next year we can go on the offensive again
  36. Lepsik
    Lepsik 15 September 2022 00: 07
    -1
    ---special scissors, medical gloves, casualty card and waterproof marker

    Still missing a triangle, eraser and glue. These Americans are just mocking Ukrainians and their admirers
  37. old woman
    old woman 15 September 2022 00: 10
    -2
    I read the comments - almost all the comments on the case, but almost all the authors are "Shoigu's children": no analysis, no conclusion. You will learn a lot more. But won't it be too late?
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 15 September 2022 19: 09
      -2
      Quote: old woman
      I read the comments - almost all the comments on the case, but almost all the authors are "Shoigu's children": no analysis, no conclusion. You will learn a lot more. But won't it be too late?

      And why do analyzes ... the main thing here is to pour something uglier, that's why they write. Few relevant comments.
  38. restless
    restless 15 September 2022 00: 25
    +1
    What a strange first aid kit, but where is the syringe tube with promedol? In case of pain shock, breathing stops and you can die if you don’t stab, and even with b. losses can increase by 5 times, promidol is needed, that kind of money goes to war (10 billion were voiced a day), but there are no normal first-aid kits, this is sabotage - who and for what purpose did not provide soldiers with normal first-aid kits. Again there will be silence and no one is in business ....
  39. cash
    cash 15 September 2022 00: 52
    0
    Dr. Livesey at the very beginning said that the first-aid kit is ugh ... and said what kind of first-aid kit is needed, why do any research, spend money on it, if the guys at the front already know what is needed, and most importantly, they are already using it. ..
  40. Wildcat
    Wildcat 15 September 2022 01: 04
    +2
    A number of first-aid kits, which are called "commercial", are being tested in combat conditions; on their basis, a general set of a new first-aid kit for the army, as well as for other law enforcement agencies, will be formed, taking into account the specifics of their actions.
    this is wonderful.
    Not "the perpetrators were punished, but first-aid kits in the required quantity were purchased with the money found from them." And "being tested", "to be formed" - good news in the future.
  41. Charik
    Charik 15 September 2022 01: 57
    0
    tree sticks - for 22 years they could not assemble a first-aid kit wisely
    1. All Weeder
      All Weeder 15 September 2022 06: 08
      +3
      And what to collect them, see how NATO has and make a copy. But we are proud, we will make a first-aid kit analogous.
      Well, and most importantly, how many pieces of these first-aid kits will the soldiers receive. Or to a drill review (actually, because I think our and drill reviews are held on the territory of Ukraine)))
      1. Bobik012
        Bobik012 15 September 2022 15: 51
        -1
        see how NATO has and make a copy
        if this is what is in the picture above, then God forbid ...
  42. Yuri Ershov
    Yuri Ershov 15 September 2022 02: 49
    +2
    Preslaut "government purchases"! The cheapest option wins, but you still have to steal from it.
  43. NatiKoshka87
    NatiKoshka87 15 September 2022 03: 30
    +1
    What a disgrace. And this army, the second after the United States, wants to finish the NWO with a positive outcome for itself and the least losses? And with such an approach, it will not work. There will be a lot of losses and cargo 300. Because there is no concern for the soldier. And so it will do ... Typically in Russian, by God!

    But...

    Tanks and armored vehicles that have no analogues in the world...

    Helicopters and planes that have no analogues in the world...

    Nuclear weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

    Hypersonic weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

    And the rest of the latest weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

    What's the point? If the queen of the fields, the infantry does not have a normal first-aid kit for all cases in battle ...

    With such a first aid kit.. that does not meet some modern standards.., it's a shame! Such is the concern for personnel and for the Russian / Russian soldier? Or are Russian / Russian soldiers terminators who are not capable of receiving a life-threatening wound? Is this what effective managers in the Russian Defense Ministry think?

    With such logic, no best and unparalleled weapons and equipment in the world will help. Because combat-ready manpower will end earlier.

    The APU will even have a better first-aid kit ...

    Ugh, shame!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 September 2022 06: 52
      +1
      Quote: NatiKoshka87
      What a disgrace. And this army, the second after the United States, wants to finish the NWO with a positive outcome for itself and the least losses? And with such an approach, it will not work. There will be a lot of losses and cargo 300. Because there is no concern for the soldier. And so it will do ... Typically in Russian, by God!

      But...

      Tanks and armored vehicles that have no analogues in the world...

      Helicopters and planes that have no analogues in the world...

      Nuclear weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

      Hypersonic weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

      And the rest of the latest weapons that have no analogues in the world ...

      What's the point? If the queen of the fields, the infantry does not have a normal first-aid kit for all cases in battle ...

      With such a first aid kit.. that does not meet some modern standards.., it's a shame! Such is the concern for personnel and for the Russian / Russian soldier? Or are Russian / Russian soldiers terminators who are not capable of receiving a life-threatening wound? Is this what effective managers in the Russian Defense Ministry think?

      With such logic, no best and unparalleled weapons and equipment in the world will help. Because combat-ready manpower will end earlier.

      The APU will even have a better first-aid kit ...

      Ugh, shame!

      Yes, wake up already, what is the second army? By what criteria do you think this is?
  44. valera75
    valera75 15 September 2022 04: 36
    +3
    In short, as the facts say and reading this article, it is a 100% fact that when contract soldiers are given 250000t.r immediately on a card, they don’t spend a penny and on the border of Ukraine they buy from outbids from the Moscow Region: armor, berets, in short, full equipment, because they give shit, Well, as we can see, they also buy first-aid kits. This is how our guys are fighting the Nazis.
    1. Krilion
      Krilion 16 September 2022 13: 41
      0
      I can only confirm, our guys tell the same thing .. all the equipment at their own expense, because they give out worthless shit ..
  45. EFIM LYUBIN
    EFIM LYUBIN 15 September 2022 04: 46
    -4
    Corruption? Treasury? How to win it? Since in China they are fighting with these, they don’t allocate money for this fight, but cartridges!
  46. Nitarius
    Nitarius 15 September 2022 04: 47
    0
    a question for military bureaucrats ... who wrote the task and who signed the acceptance of this shit!
  47. Marson35
    Marson35 15 September 2022 05: 55
    0
    For whatever you take, and everything is not as it should be ... And there is never anyone to blame)
  48. All Weeder
    All Weeder 15 September 2022 06: 05
    0
    Oh, this Ratnik kit. To begin with, I would like to know how many thousands of these kits are in the army. Because there should be 300-400 thousand of them (all ground forces should be with it). But the reality is completely different.
    They will be able to develop a first-aid kit, the main question is how many of them will be in the troops ....
    They don’t appreciate boys, unfortunately. We must appreciate, we must. Take an example from the USA (NATO countries)
  49. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 September 2022 06: 49
    0
    And what, they forgot to put Promedol?
  50. mmaxx
    mmaxx 15 September 2022 07: 35
    +2
    Army dibilism is invincible. There was no way to ask the Donetsk people? They were taken from Israel while there was an opportunity. Everyone was delighted. Especially doctors. Even so.
    Although .... In my time, hepatitis was treated for 2 weeks without pills. Only brilliant green was plenty. That's the savings. I don't think it's better now.
    Yes, in general. This topic with the "Warrior" pulled up in order. Go, @#$obscene#@yo, to a normal tourist shop. Buy according to the sample of everything. Choose the right one and tweak it a bit. It takes a maximum of a year. Just because we have so many seasons. Yes, and that. I think that equipment should be seasonal.