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Unmanned Mystery. Loitering ammunition "Geran-2"

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Unmanned Mystery. Loitering ammunition "Geran-2"
One of the wreckage of the UAV used in the area of ​​the city of Kupyansk



A few days ago, a previously unknown unmanned aerial vehicle was seen for the first time in the zone of the Special Operation. The product marked "Geran-2" and alphanumeric tail number was used by Russian troops on the Ukrainian object. So far, nothing is known about this drone, and the lack of information contributes to the emergence of the most daring and interesting versions.

Unusual wreckage


On September 13, curious photographs taken by Ukrainian formations in the area of ​​the city of Kupyansk were distributed on social networks and specialized resources. They depicted the wreckage of some unknown UAV, previously not seen in the zone of the Special Operation. Two swept half-wings with keel tips, an electric motor and small debris hit the lens. The keels bear the number "M214" and the name "Geran-2".

The Ukrainian side claims that this UAV flew over its positions and was shot down. However, the nature of the damage shown by the wreckage refutes this version. Apparently, "Geran-2" was loitering ammunition and attacked the Ukrainian object. When hit, the warhead detonated and the structure was destroyed with the formation of characteristic debris.

A curious version about the origin of the new Russian UAV immediately appeared. So, it is assumed that the Geran-2 product is a localized or simply renamed version of the Iranian Shahed-136 loitering ammunition. This version is supported by the external similarity of the main elements of the airframe and known information about the power plants.


In addition, the version about the Iranian origin of the new UAV is consistent with previously published information. Over the past few weeks, rumors have been circulating at the suggestion of the foreign press about a possible purchase of Iranian drones for the Russian army. Accurate information on this subject is not yet available, but circumstantial evidence is provided.

It was reported about the visits of Russian specialists to Iranian enterprises and bases. Then Iranian transport planes repeatedly flew to Russia with unknown targets. Not so long ago, a representative of the Iranian command said that Iranian products are supplied by one of the major countries. Now, debris from near Kupyansk is also being considered as evidence of Russian-Iranian cooperation.

Possible appearance


What exactly the drone / loitering ammunition "Geran-2" looks like is not yet clear. However, photographs from the Ukrainian side allow us to determine some features of its appearance, as well as make assumptions and conclusions. In this case, the characteristics of the device cannot be determined. The composition of the unmanned complex and its capabilities will also remain unknown.


Drone electric motor

Judging by the largest fragments, the device "Geran-2" was built according to the "tailless" scheme. It is likely that a cylindrical or spindle-shaped fuselage is used, connected to the wing for most of its length. A delta wing of large sweep was used. The entire rear edge is given under the steering surfaces. Road stability is provided by two fins-keels. There are no rudders on them. The dimensions and weight of the product cannot be estimated due to the lack of clear reference points.

"Geran-2" uses an electric power plant. There is an electric motor of unknown type and power, which rotates the pulling or pushing propeller. A significant part of the fuselage should be given under the battery with the required parameters. In addition, when it comes to loitering ammunition, a warhead is needed.

The UAV must have an autopilot and/or a remote control system. The fuselage of the used "Geranium" was not preserved, and therefore it will not be possible to determine the principles of target search and guidance. At the same time, existing projects of loitering ammunition show that such a product can search for a target using optics or be guided along given coordinates.

Iranian ammunition


Iranian loitering ammunition "Shahed-136" was developed at the end of the tenth years as a simple and long-range means to destroy various ground / surface targets. Already in 2019-20. similar products began to be used in Yemen. At the same time, the Shahed-136 complex was officially shown only last year.


Unknown structural element

UAV "Shahed-136" is a tailless with a rudimentary fuselage with an animated nose fairing. On the swept wing there are elevons and characteristic keel endings. The power plant includes a tail motor with a pusher propeller. Wingspan - about 2,5 m, length - about 2 m. Weight parameters are unknown.

For Shaheda-136, a flight range of at least 2 km is declared. The first modification of the device used coordinate guidance using satellite and inertial navigation. It was reported about the possibility of creating ammunition with optical search and guidance tools.

Loitering ammunition was demonstrated with the original self-propelled launcher, disguised as a truck. The installation is made in the form of a container with inclined rails for five UAVs. Before starting, the installation rises to a predetermined angle; drones fly out through the open roof.

Obvious benefit


The Russian UAV "Geran-2" and the Iranian Shahed-136 have a similar design and, probably, the same purpose. More daring versions are also offered, according to which this is actually the same product, but under different names. Which of the current versions is true is not yet clear. However, there are already grounds for some conclusions.


Launcher of the Shahed-136 complex

It is obvious that the Russian army has a new loitering ammunition, and this fact is already of some interest. Having entered service, the new "Geran-2" complements the existing products "Cube" and "Lancet" of the light class.

Apparently, "Geran-2" is larger and heavier than the "Cube" or "Lancet", and also carries a more powerful warhead and has an increased range. Accordingly, the army now has several loitering ammunition with different characteristics at its disposal. This makes it possible to increase the flexibility and efficiency of the application of such weapons, as well as optimize the use of other percussion means.

If the assumptions about the Iranian origin of "Geranium" are true, then the situation looks even more interesting. "Shahed-136" has high flight characteristics and is actually a medium-range missile. At the same time, depending on the configuration, it has the ability not only to hit the designated target, but also to observe and select an object for attack.


A complex of this kind formally belongs to the same class as "Lancet" or "Cube". However, in fact, he will be able to supplement full-fledged long-range missiles, such as the Caliber. The simplicity and cheapness of the design, as well as the presence of a land launcher, provide certain advantages.

However, the possibility of an Iranian UAV or its copy / analogue entering the arsenal of the Russian army is still in question. Deliveries of Shahed-136 or other equipment of this class are discussed only at the level of rumors, and they have not been officially reported. Perhaps this situation will be clarified in the future by confirming or refuting the circulating information.

Unmanned riddle


Thus, a specific situation is still developing around the Geranium-2 product. It is authentically known about its existence and use in the Special Operation. In addition, one can make plausible estimates of its purpose. At the same time, there is a bold version about the origin of such a UAV, which does not have official confirmation, but is based on certain evidence.

Whether the Russian "Geran-2" is related to the Iranian "Shahed-136" is not yet clear. However, it is obvious that both unmanned systems are of interest to our army and can find a place in its arsenals. Moreover, loitering ammunition with a Russian name has already reached the troops and is being used against enemy targets. And the results of such strikes generally do not depend on its origin.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 September 2022 05: 12
    +10
    But what is there to think about, throw out two letters from the word Geranium - you get Iran with a small mistake. Looks like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck - definitely not a swan.
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 15 September 2022 08: 23
      +8
      There was a video last year where this geranium was shown, a report about the developers of the Lancet and the Cuba, which was similar, was on the table of the guys from the Kalashnikov concern, it is really larger than the cube.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 15 September 2022 13: 43
        -4
        Loitering ammunition Lancet was used to a limited extent on the NWO, in my opinion something when suppressing artillery in urban areas in Severodonetsk
        the article was on VO
      2. Greg Goodenough
        Greg Goodenough 30 September 2022 00: 23
        0
        How to find this report? Or give me a link plz. I searched and didn't find anything like it.
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 15 September 2022 12: 02
      +22
      And for me, what difference does it make whose it is, the main thing is that there are a lot of them.
    3. Kangarli
      Kangarli 15 September 2022 13: 25
      +10
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What is there to think about, throw out two letters from the word Geranium - you get Iran


      Tehran
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 September 2022 16: 28
        +2
        Quote: Kangarli
        Tehran

        So even better! hi
    4. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas 24 September 2022 06: 35
      +1
      Carefully noted. Although the essence of the drummer is not in the name.
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 15 September 2022 05: 19
    +6

    Here's what's desperately needed right now. Chinese bomber drones
    1. Hitriy Zhuk
      Hitriy Zhuk 15 September 2022 13: 20
      +1
      Ugly and noisy.
      Give airships!
    2. Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov 26 September 2022 01: 06
      0
      It is easier to shoot him down, although not bad either, against those who do not have air defense.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 15 September 2022 05: 28
    +14
    Over the past few weeks, rumors have been circulating at the suggestion of the foreign press about a possible purchase of Iranian drones for the Russian army.
    Well bought and bought.
    That's right and done!
    It is not a shame to buy Bayraktara from the Turks.
    1. besikexe
      besikexe 19 September 2022 01: 05
      -1
      Don't be ashamed to buy. It’s a shame when back in 2015 they talked about UAVs and other drones and that without them there was nothing to do in the wars of the 21st century.
  4. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 September 2022 05: 29
    +1
    It is obvious that the Russian army has a new loitering ammunition, and this fact is already of some interest.

    So far, only the poor technical equipment of the participants in the SVO remains obvious, and the facts of the successful use of such ammunition will be of interest.
    And also reports from Konashenkov about the use of hundreds of such ammunition and the total destruction of the forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and terbatov.
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 15 September 2022 06: 53
      0
      Twenty-five again ... do you propose to chase after each vushnik with them? They have their own niche.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 15 September 2022 07: 00
        +6
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        do you propose to chase after each vushnikm with them?

        I propose to send loitering ammunition in pursuit of Vushniks and foreign mercenaries, and not DRGs with mortars.
        1. DO
          DO 15 September 2022 16: 35
          +2
          I propose to send loitering ammunition in pursuit of Vushniks and foreign mercenaries, and not DRGs with mortars.

          For this, small bombs and rackets were invented, which are hung on ordinary reconnaissance UAVs.
          The two-meter kamikaze drone described in this article is rather effective for counter-battery combat. For a dispersed manpower, such a kamikaze drone is too expensive to use, from a cannon to sparrows.
          Perhaps the smallest of the Lancet family of Russian kamikaze drones would also fit here.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 15 September 2022 17: 46
            0
            Quote: DO
            For this, small bombs and rackets were invented.

            I am familiar with these nuances. Speaking about the DRG with a mortar, I had in mind the situation laid out by RIA. Too lazy to search, in my yesterday's comments there is a link to the video. There we are talking about the shelling of the base of foreign mercenaries.
            Find. take a look and evaluate what could be applied there ...
            hi
            1. DO
              DO 15 September 2022 20: 35
              +1
              Find. take a look and evaluate what could be applied there ...

              Found and looked.
              Targets - houses with militants in them.
              In any case, a reconnaissance UAV is needed here, thanks to which this video was recorded.
              If the targets are within the range of the mortar or artillery, it is easiest to use them, with adjustments through the reconnaissance UAV. What we saw. The advantage here is that the reconnaissance UAV can be small and inconspicuous, and there are a lot of ammunition of standard power and there are a lot of them in warehouses.
              But if mortar, artillery, MLRS are not available, a medium reconnaissance drone with bombs / rockets would be useful. Its disadvantage is the high visibility and price, the low power of ammunition. The advantage is a long loitering and target search time, an instant strike.
              Kamikaze drones, even small ones, are not cheap, and yet they are useful for more important targets - for equipment, for a sniper in position, or for a fighter with ATGMs / MANPADS in an ambush.
          2. stankow
            stankow 16 September 2022 18: 56
            0
            There seems to be no future for loitering drones. Combine the subtlety of intelligence with the power of destruction? Like a surveyor with precision millimeter-precision equipment and a shovel. I measured it, calculated the unevenness on the ground and straightened it bystrenko. At the same time, I buried the equipment wink
            1. DO
              DO 16 September 2022 21: 57
              -1
              Combine the subtlety of intelligence with the power of destruction?

              The power of medium reconnaissance drones is very modest in size.
              They have another advantage - hitting targets in real time. I saw it, I killed it. With an absent or severely suppressed enemy air defense, a very effective weapon. It is difficult to say why these drones are not equipped with a small-caliber gun.
              Another thing, in the conditions of the NWO front:
              - "partners" supplied the APU with a sufficient number of MANPADS;
              - this is a military operation, and the RF Armed Forces have enough artillery and MLRS.
              Therefore, as a front-line reconnaissance spotter, you need the most inconspicuous and quiet drone. Bombs-rackets are contraindicated for him, because using them the drone will attract unwanted attention of the enemy.
              But, for example, in the conditions of Mariupol, for the Russian army a large number of medium drones with racket bombs would be very useful.
              Kamikaze drones are different. Large kamikaze is a means of counter-battery combat, especially where our artillery is lacking or absent, as well as for attacking enemy artillery or tanks on the march.
              Small kamikazes can get close from any direction, and hit the position of a sniper or ATGM fighter, for example, through a window. Well, moving lightly armored targets too.
  5. svp67
    svp67 15 September 2022 06: 04
    +7
    I don’t understand, the former Israeli, and now our "Outpost" can be used, but what are the problems here?
    1. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 15 September 2022 06: 27
      0
      I don’t understand, the former Israeli, and now our "Outpost" can be used, but what are the problems here?

      As far as I understand, the problem is that they are not enough in the right quantities and there are not enough guided munitions for them.
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 September 2022 06: 55
        +5
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        As far as I understand, the problem is that they are not enough in the right quantities and there are not enough guided munitions for them.

        I'm talking about something else, about the fact that we have the right to use what we consider necessary ...
  6. Wildcat
    Wildcat 15 September 2022 06: 19
    +4
    I wonder if we will see North Korean art?
    IMHO, it was used in the Iran-Iraq war, and although there were complaints about the guns, they did not complain about the shells ...
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  7. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 15 September 2022 06: 51
    +1
    Fortune telling on coffee grounds ... we don’t know anything, but maybe.
  8. Garik Gorkin
    Garik Gorkin 15 September 2022 07: 09
    +5
    "Geran-2" uses an electric power plant. There is an electric motor of unknown type and power, which rotates the pulling or pushing propeller.

    This is doubtful. It will not fly far on an electric one, the batteries are heavy.
    If "Geran" and "Shahed" are twin brothers, then the engine is most likely MD 550, according to an Israeli source. Those. petrol, 50 horses. Such engines were sold even on AliExpress.

    Israel has more information about our "mysterious" weapons than we do. Which doesn't surprise me.
    https://cursorinfo.co.il/world-news/rossiya-nachala-primenyat-drony-kamikadze-shahed-136-dlya-udarov-po-ukraine-obnarodovany-pervye-foto/
    1. Dimax-nemo
      Dimax-nemo 15 September 2022 08: 10
      +7
      Israel knows Iranian drones better than anyone else.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 22 September 2022 18: 12
      0
      Propaganda source that does not inspire confidence.
  9. paul3390
    paul3390 15 September 2022 07: 11
    +1
    If there is an electric motor with a propeller - what kind of "actually a medium-range missile" is it? what
  10. Lepsik
    Lepsik 15 September 2022 07: 20
    +7
    Elektrorake and with a range of 2000 km.? What kind of nonsense are you writing?
  11. Dimax-nemo
    Dimax-nemo 15 September 2022 08: 08
    +2
    It seems that the Americans are still right, and we wanted to solve the "unmanned" problem in the shortest possible time, without waiting for mercy from the domestic industry. Well, let's wait for other Iranian drones "promised" by the Americans.
    1. Ruby
      Ruby 15 September 2022 09: 53
      +3
      Well, they did the right thing. Stalin did not think at all from the word when he bought from the allies what our industry could not give. Main result.
      1. Dimax-nemo
        Dimax-nemo 15 September 2022 10: 58
        0
        At that time, we bought not so much the weapons themselves (Lend-Lease - of course), but licenses. Aircraft engines, for example. Tanks. Anti-aircraft gun 76 mm, anti-tank gun 37 mm.
  12. Sotnik11.74
    Sotnik11.74 15 September 2022 08: 34
    -3
    Somehow, these loitering ammunition is not at all like the wunderwaffles that we were promised ..
    1. NuevoRoss
      NuevoRoss 16 September 2022 02: 14
      +1
      1st World planes were made from rails and rags. Many modern small drones are made of Styrofoam.
      1. Sotnik11.74
        Sotnik11.74 16 September 2022 04: 24
        -4
        Well, I remember when they started talking about Iranian drones and the pictures were completely different and they wrote that they were a copy of some kind of American ones.
        And it's like something completely different
  13. Alexander Razin
    Alexander Razin 15 September 2022 10: 29
    -1
    Well bought and bought - well done. The main thing that would work
  14. Svetlana
    Svetlana 15 September 2022 10: 54
    +2
    The Americans launched a war in Yugoslavia in 1999 and dropped graphite bombs on Serbian power lines. In order to deprive the Ukronazis of the power supply of their electrified railways, the receiving antennas of the space Internet, the ability to charge tablets and batteries of anti-battery radars, it is necessary to use similar means. You don’t need a large payload of drones for this - small drones, for example, the mentioned Geran-2 drone, can also handle it.
    This bomb contains graphite filaments capable of shorting the wires of power lines. During the explosion, graphite dust is sprayed, which, settling on the garlands of power line insulators, leads to a short circuit and triggers a protective shutdown of the power line. See https://topwar.ru/153512-podrobnosti-o-grafitovyh-bombah-kotorymi-v-kieve-ugrozhajut-rossii.html
    1. Goto
      Goto 15 September 2022 15: 57
      0
      now the wires are insulated. It will not work.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 15 September 2022 19: 00
        +3
        Quote: Goto
        now the wires are insulated.

        SIP (self-insulated carrier wire) is not used for power lines. For example, power lines-500 kilovolts. If the graphite filament touches two phase wires at the same time on the power transmission line-500, then mirror charges will be induced at the ends of the graphite filament (touching the phase wires of the power transmission line) and a linear potential difference of 500 kV will appear between the phase and the graphite filament. Even if there is insulation 1 mm thick on the phase wire, it will break through with a voltage of 500 kV. A graphite filament with a short circuit current flowing through it will turn into a plasma.
        1. sifgame
          sifgame 20 September 2022 20: 26
          +3
          Self-supporting insulated wire
  15. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 September 2022 11: 06
    +2
    Quote: Wildcat
    I wonder if we will see North Korean art?
    IMHO, it was used in the Iran-Iraq war, and although there were complaints about the guns, they did not complain about the shells ...

    Iranian drones, as well as missiles and small submarines, are North Korean modifications.
    The DPRK has 170 mm self-propelled guns, 240 mm and 300 mm MLRS, and so on. But it is better to get anti-aircraft 14,5 mm, 23 mm, 37 mm machine guns, 82 mm and 120 mm mortars, 107 and 122 mm MLRS, 76 and 85 mm divisional guns, ATGMs, MANPADS, mini drones, reconnaissance devices. They have a lot of everything in stock and besides, they are able to immediately produce on a large scale. For them, there will be no problems to equip and provide combat operations with ammunition and everything necessary for a million-strong army.
  16. Willord
    Willord 15 September 2022 17: 28
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that the first 2 photos in the news are 2 different devices
  17. Prometey
    Prometey 15 September 2022 21: 51
    0
    We need a completely different concept of the UAV. There is no need to follow the path of any Bayraktars and the like. Of course, intelligence is needed. But as a shock, you can take the IL-2 type as a basis specifically for striking enemy ground units, even with NURSs, even with precision ammunition. With approximately the same characteristics, but greater payload, speed and maneuverability. It will be cheaper and more effective than single raids of low-speed UAVs.
    Flying at low speed in swarms, they could bombard opponents with conventional FABs or rockets.
    1. NuevoRoss
      NuevoRoss 16 September 2022 02: 21
      +2
      this is one of the options. It has pros and cons.
      Of the minuses - in fact, they are not so cheap. From 100k dollars minimum (if you take something that already exists, old but flying) and above. And a million dollars is not the limit. It’s not a pity to spend both a rocket and MANPADS on such a one - the cost is comparable.
      They're big! That is, they are easy to detect and shoot down. Air defense systems have improved markedly since the Il-2.
      And they need full-fledged airfields, full-fledged air units with all ground equipment.
      Of the benefits - a large payload. And they are good for breaking through air defense by exceeding its ability to hit targets. That is, the enemy will not be able not to react to them - it is necessary to shoot down. But the enemy has a lot of MANPADS ...
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 22 September 2022 17: 59
      +1
      You can also throw in confetti. The effect will be similar. And you can find Hymars and eliminate it with one such missile.
  18. Sergey Sotnikov
    Sergey Sotnikov 16 September 2022 02: 00
    0
    if I'm not mistaken, they talked about geranium back in 2019, even I remember that at that time there were 3 varieties, different in mass and in application, in my opinion they were sculpted in Samara
  19. Dmitry_Russia
    Dmitry_Russia 16 September 2022 10: 20
    0
    Such an interesting contraption, and made a rustle.
  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 16 September 2022 10: 44
    0
    Quote from NuevoRoss
    They're big! That is, they are easy to detect and shoot down. Air defense systems have improved markedly since the Il-2.
    And they need full-fledged airfields, full-fledged air units with all ground equipment.

    1. The drone will not have a pilot and defensive weapons, more armor means much smaller size and weight. The engine and equipment will also be much better, smaller and lighter.
    2. Air defense systems have improved, but the means of REB and the means of destruction of air defense have improved accordingly.
    3. What full-fledged airfields were beaten for the IL-2 - dirt. For a drone, there will be even less.
  21. Vlad_Cosm
    Vlad_Cosm 16 September 2022 12: 54
    0
    The statement "For the Shahed-136, a flight range of at least 2 km is declared" is doubtful. Maximum, at best, 10-30 km.
  22. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 16 September 2022 19: 43
    0
    Is the Russian "Geran-2" related to the Iranian "Shahed-136"


    Tehran-2 - that's what people call it.
  23. certero
    certero 18 September 2022 17: 09
    +1
    2.000 km on an electric motor? There should be a thermonuclear reactor
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  25. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 21 September 2022 07: 24
    0
    I didn’t understand about the alternative to Caliber, the power is not comparable, and the niche for application is completely different.
  26. meandr51
    meandr51 22 September 2022 17: 54
    0
    This thing will not fly even 200 km. Or Iranian batteries are 10 times better than Chinese ones.
  27. Alexei-
    Alexei- 23 September 2022 09: 04
    0
    Baranets is already openly saying that "Geran-2" is "shahid-136". Allegedly, I learned from "competent" persons.
  28. George K-219
    George K-219 24 September 2022 12: 23
    0
    What difference does it make to you where it comes from - it flies, it amazes and it's wonderful! Some kind of paranoia among observers and commentators to be the first to know and ring about it to the whole world. This activity is good only for promoting disinformation, otherwise it is better to remain silent than to speak
  29. alexander 2
    alexander 2 27 September 2022 03: 59
    0
    What difference does it make whose it is. If Iranian - good. So Iran is on our side. If ours is even better. So they learned to do in the required quantities.
    We have many developments. Including the military. It is only necessary to establish their mass production.