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Long-Range Multiple Launch Rocket Systems: New Records and Development Potential

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Long-Range Multiple Launch Rocket Systems: New Records and Development Potential
Russian MLRS "Tornado-S". Photo by NPO "Splav"



Leading developers continue to develop the direction of multiple launch rocket systems and get very interesting results. So, in recent years there has been a tendency to a constant increase in the firing range. The latest models of MLRS missiles are capable of flying hundreds of kilometers and delivering a heavy warhead to the intended target with high accuracy.

development of existing


It is obvious that the firing range of the MLRS is determined mainly by the parameters of the rocket. Accordingly, the easiest way to create a long-range complex is to develop a new missile with improved performance. It is this approach that has been used in a number of domestic and foreign projects of recent times.

So, in order to increase the main combat characteristics of the Russian MLRS 9K58 "Smerch", the project 9K515 "Tornado-S" was developed. It provides for the preservation of a standard launcher with 12 300 mm caliber guides on a special wheeled chassis. At the same time, the combat vehicle receives new means of fire control and rockets with improved performance.

Specially for Tornado-S, 9M544 and 9M549 missiles were created; the emergence of new similar ammunition is possible. They are made in a standard 300 mm hull, but are significantly heavier than older missiles. New products are distinguished by the presence of a control system and trajectory correction based on satellite navigation. In addition, an improved solid-propellant engine has been created for them.


An American MLRS M270 launches a GMLRS missile. Photos Lockheed Martin

The firing range of the Smerch MLRS, depending on the type of projectile, reached 70 km. Products with a range of 90 km were developed. For Tornado-S, this parameter reaches 120 km. In addition, the industry reported the possibility of creating missiles with a range of 200 km.

The American MLRS M270 MLRS and M142 HIMARS have undergone a similar upgrade in the past. Initially, M26 / 28 missiles with a range of no more than 40-45 km were developed for them, but then the GMLRS family of ammunition appeared. These shells are used with standard launchers and require a new SLA. In this case, a significant increase in range is achieved.

The GMLRS family currently includes six serial missiles - M30, M31 and their modifications. They retained the dimensions of their predecessors, but received satellite navigation-based guidance and an improved engine. The firing range increased to 92 km. GMLRS missiles are equipped with a cluster or monobloc warhead weighing 91 kg.

The development of the promising ER GMLRS rocket is coming to an end. This project provides for a slight increase in the dimensions of the rocket, but this does not affect the ammunition load of the MLRS. Due to the larger engine, the flight range was brought up to 150 km. As before, the rocket is guided and guided along the programmed coordinates.

Next generation


The use of existing platforms provides known benefits, but imposes certain limitations. As a result, it makes sense to develop completely new MLRS, the design of which initially allows obtaining high range characteristics. Several samples of this kind have appeared and entered service in recent years.


Launcher MLRS "Polonaise". Photo by Wikimedia Commons

Since the early 200s, Chinese industry has been promoting the new A2015 guided missile on the market. In the early years, she did not interest foreign buyers, but then the situation changed. In 2016, a new MLRS "Polonaise" of the Belarusian-Chinese development was demonstrated. Belarus provided the chassis and other components, and the rocket part was of Chinese origin. In XNUMX, the Polonaise was adopted.

The A200 missile is a 301 mm munition with a length of 7,26 m. It is equipped with a satellite guidance system and has a detachable warhead. Three variants of combat load are reported. Due to the efficient solid-propellant engine, a range of 200 km is achieved.

In 2014, a new MLRS was spotted during an exercise in North Korea. The real name of this complex is unknown; abroad it was designated as KN-09. This is a wheeled combat vehicle with a launcher with eight 300 mm caliber guides. Apparently, it uses advanced fire control tools. Later, a similar machine with 12 guides appeared.

The exact characteristics of the KN-09 are still unknown. According to foreign estimates, the firing range can be at the level of 180-200 km. Accordingly, shells for such a MLRS must have means of correction or guidance. It is supposed to use GLONASS or Beidou navigation systems.

New records


The modern level of technology makes it possible to further increase the firing range of the MLRS. Systems of this kind in terms of their characteristics are as close as possible to operational-tactical missile systems. This provides noticeable benefits, but at the same time raises questions about the appropriateness.


North Korean KN-09 system on exercises. Photo military-today.com

In 2019, the PLA received a new modular MLRS PHL-16 or PCL-191. It is made on a special wheeled chassis and can use three types of ammunition in different calibers. Missiles of different types are placed in unified TPK; the launcher carries two such products. The size of the ammunition load depends on the ammunition used.

In multiple rocket launcher mode, the PHL-16 uses 300mm BRC3/4 rockets as well as BRE2/3 products. Their maximum range reaches 130 km. One TPK holds five such shells. There is also a container for four 370 mm BRE6 rockets. In this case, the firing range is 220 km. With the help of a 760-mm BRE8 rocket, one in each TPK, the MLRS turns into an OTRK. The export version of the missile has a range of 300 km, the version for the PLA, according to various sources, up to 500 km.

Also in 2019, a curious version of the "super-large-caliber MLRS" was tested by the DPRK. This sample received the foreign designation KN-25. Initially, this system was based on a tracked chassis, and in 2020 they showed a similar model on a wheelbase. According to various sources, by now the KN-25 could enter service and get into combat units.

MLRS KN-25 has a unique caliber - 600 mm with a length of approx. 8 m. It was possible to place six guides for such ammunition on a tracked vehicle, four on a wheeled vehicle. Test firing was carried out at targets at different distances, with single missiles and in one salvo. Foreign intelligence recorded a maximum range of 380 km. Apparently, the missile is correctable / guided.


Ceremonial calculation of the Chinese MLRS PHL-16. The vehicles are equipped with TPK for 300-mm rockets. Photo military-today.com

Opportunities and feasibility


It is easy to see that over the past 10-15 years, the leading countries have shown significant progress in the field of multiple launch rocket systems. By increasing the caliber and using new components, the range of missiles and the accuracy of hitting targets were increased significantly. New systems of this kind have a number of strengths, although they are not without drawbacks. In addition, the feasibility of creating some of these MLRS raises questions.

The obvious advantage of the new MLRS, for which such projects are being developed, is the increased firing range. It allows you to attack and hit targets at a greater depth of defense - or from more distant positions in the rear. Accordingly, the security of systems and calculations is increased or the zone of potential strikes is increased. At the same time, the presence of control systems virtually eliminates the dispersion of projectiles and ensures high accuracy in hitting targets.

Large-caliber MLRS with a range of at least 150-200 km are becoming an analogue or competitor of full-fledged OTRK. Such competition has its own specifics, and a comparison of different samples may not be in favor of long-range MLRS. In particular, rockets for MLRS are seriously inferior to OTRK missiles in terms of payload and combat qualities. In addition, while maintaining the "normal" calibers, operational-tactical missiles win in terms of firing range.

However, new types of MLRS also have some advantages. So, the launcher carries and can sequentially use several missiles. They can hit one area target or several point targets, incl. scattered across the area. The lower combat load is compensated by the accuracy of the hit and other capabilities that the OTRK does not have.


Launch of a 600 mm KN-25 rocket. Photo by CTAC

Of particular interest in this context is the North Korean "ultra-large caliber MLRS" KN-25. In terms of design, this is indeed a volley fire system that has undergone scaling. However, in terms of performance characteristics, this is already a full-fledged OTRK with a good firing range. At the same time, the KN-25 inherited an ammunition load of several missiles from the original KN-4 class. 6-380 missiles with a range of XNUMX km give the complex special capabilities and set it apart from other MLRS and OTRK.

Development potential


Thus, despite all the simplicity, multiple launch rocket systems continue to develop. Due to the introduction of new technologies and components, the range and accuracy of shooting are increased, up to obtaining the most interesting results. New progressive MLRS can even compete with weapons of other classes.

All these processes have a curious result. The appearance of MLRS with a range of more than 200-300 km does not exclude the operation and use of simpler systems with a shorter range. Accordingly, multi-component rocket artillery is formed from systems of different types, capable of hitting various targets in the widest range of ranges.

Such a weapon system is highly flexible in use, which is why it is of great interest to any ground forces. And therefore, it should be expected that the observed processes of development of the MLRS in the future will continue and lead to new interesting results.
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 14 September 2022 16: 04
    +6
    I like how the Americans made a MLRS machine that reloads itself. Why didn't we make Huragan-1M like that? After all, it is much better than a separate reloading machine with a crane. Tak pulled up to a flatbed truck and reloaded himself.
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 14 September 2022 16: 23
      -5
      mDaaaa ... once, according to the RZSO, we were ahead of the rest of the planet ....... And now .. in the back ... NWO clearly showed this ....
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 14 September 2022 16: 54
        -6
        we take the number and types of these same MLRS
        Hail, Hurricane, Tornado, Sunshine, Tosochka, Agriculture
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 14 September 2022 16: 58
          -2
          and before it was QUALITY
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 14 September 2022 17: 01
            -9
            we take the number and types of MLRS
            Hail / Tornado-G, Hurricane, Tornado / Tornado-S, Solntsepek, Tosochka, Agriculture
            no one complains
            there are UASs with correction via optical channels from UAVs and via GLONASS
            1. SaLaR
              SaLaR 14 September 2022 17: 02
              +1
              Where??? can you tell me?
            2. ramzay21
              ramzay21 16 September 2022 08: 41
              -3
              we take the number and types of MLRS
              Hail / Tornado-G, Hurricane, Tornado / Tornado-S, Solntsepek, Tosochka, Agriculture

              These are all Soviet MLRS systems, once the most advanced in the world.
              Modern Russia has not invested in the development of MLRS for 30 years, and while the drunk was drinking for 10 years, and then for 20 years, reset to zero, he cleaned up everything that brings income in our country with his gang, the rest of the countries caught up with us and overtook us.
              And in 50 years you will tell what good MLRS Grad, Hurricane and Smerch we have, they will only call them differently, but they will shoot the same way.
              1. Romario_Argo
                Romario_Argo 16 September 2022 13: 16
                0
                there is no need to develop new MLRS, but on its own initiative Splav developed the bicaliber Uragan-M1
                develop new ammunition for MLRS the same T90 UAV for Smerch
                by the way, serial deliveries are already underway
                what new MLRS has the United States developed in 20 years?
                the number of MLRS in the USA in relation to the Russian Federation?
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 17 September 2022 03: 28
                  -4
                  develop new ammunition for MLRS the same T90 UAV for Smerch
                  by the way, serial deliveries are already underway

                  How many Tornado-S were made there, which can fire adjustable ammunition? Or do you think 20 pieces for the entire army are serial deliveries?
                  what new MLRS has the United States developed in 20 years?

                  M142 HIMARS for example. And this system has overtaken the Soviet Tornado, and continues to improve. You can read about how the MLRS systems of once backward countries overtook us in the article.
                  the number of MLRS in the USA in relation to the Russian Federation

                  More than 400 MLRS HIMARS in the USA and 20 MLRS Tornado-S in the Russian Federation.
      2. AAK
        AAK 14 September 2022 17: 15
        -5
        Especially when you consider that Belarus and the DPRK produce longer-range and better-controlled MLRS than Russia ... survived, everywhere one fat and hairy ...
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 14 September 2022 18: 20
          +4
          Quote: AAK
          Especially when you consider that Belarus and the DPRK produce longer-range and better-controlled MLRS than Russia ... survived, everywhere one fat and hairy ...


          Where did you get this from? The Polonaise MLRS includes at least two Chinese-designed missiles. The first was the A200 developed by the CALT Institute. This product is in a cylindrical body with a length of approx. 7,3 m diameter 301 mm with stabilizers span 615 mm. Starting weight - 715 kg. The missile is equipped with a combined guidance system based on inertial and satellite navigation. KVO at a maximum range does not exceed 30-50 m. The missile carries a detachable warhead and several equipment options are offered. Firing range - from 50 to 200 km.
          We have launched mass production of missiles for Tornado-S, which have a range of 200 km. So why do we need Polonaise MLRS? Polonaise KVO missiles at a maximum range do not exceed 30-50 m. at the maximum launch range with a deviation from the aiming point of only a few meters.

          In addition, new missiles have been developed for the Tornado-S with an increased target engagement range (up to 200 km), as well as equipped with the GLONASS satellite navigation system. According to the developers, the new homing head will allow the missile to hit the target at the maximum launch range with a deviation from the aiming point of just a few meters. Thanks to the new Tornado-S missiles, it will also be able to be used as a universal tactical missile system. According to the developers, “the new missile for the Tornado is now in a high degree of technical readiness. The ammunition is already being tested."



          https://vpk-news.ru/news/35158

          .
          Russia has begun mass production of new 300-mm guided missiles for the Tornado-S tactical missile system, capable of successfully hitting targets at a distance of up to 200 km.



          https://discover24.ru/2021/11/defence24-rossiyskaya-sistema-tornado-s-gotovitsya-strelyat-na-dalnost-do-200-km/
    2. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 14 September 2022 17: 10
      -9
      MLRS level Uragan-1M will fire from an average range of 50 km
      Neither artillery nor self-propelled guns of the enemy will get him there
      from KABs they cover the Tor, Buk air defense systems
      There was no such task set by the Ministry of Defense in the performance characteristics for the development
      As an option, probably on the use of MLRS on NWO - work will begin on automating the replenishment of BC for MLRS
    3. Genry
      Genry 14 September 2022 17: 26
      +7
      HIMARS - reloads from the ground, which is fraught with mud.
      The delivery vehicle is still special, and not just a truck.
      The whole system is much larger and heavier.
      Reload operations:
      - unload an empty package from the MLRS;
      - unload the full package from the truck;
      -load into the MLRS full ..;
      -load the truck empty ... .

      In Tornado - missiles are simply added (you can mix different types and take a partial amount) from a clean body.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 14 September 2022 17: 29
        -2
        I agree we have an expanded tactic for using MLRS than penguins,
        example package MLRS Smerch 12 units:
        1 - UAV - adjustment and illumination of targets,
        2,3,4,5,6,7 - thermobaric,
        8,9,10,11 - cassette
        12- UAV - damage detection + CC for the next package of launchers MLRS Smerch
        or even a control unit for the Iskander OTRK or ALCM, KABs, UAS artillery systems 122-mm, 152-mm,
        or even a control center for a mortar Tulip 240 mm
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 14 September 2022 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Genry
        load into an empty truck..

        Why upload an empty one? They disposable these packages, unloaded and left.
        1. Genry
          Genry 14 September 2022 17: 43
          +3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Why upload an empty one? They disposable these packages, unloaded and left.

          Show me where you left and left.
          Even shell casings are collected for reloading.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 14 September 2022 17: 49
            +2
            Quote: Genry
            Show me where you left and left.
            Even shell casings are collected for reloading.

            This is because practice shooting. During the battle, no one will take them out. Packages with shells are disposable, loaded at the factory and stored in the TPK. There, the pipes are made of plastic and are unlikely to withstand repeated volleys. Metal frame only.
            We also have disposable TPKs for S-300 and S-400. They are equipped at the factory.
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 14 September 2022 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: Genry
        HIMARS - reloads from the ground, which is fraught with mud.
        The delivery vehicle is still special, and not just a truck.
        The whole system is much larger and heavier.
        Reload operations:
        - unload an empty package from the MLRS;
        - unload the full package from the truck;
        -load into the MLRS full ..;

        Can be directly from the truck
        1. Cartridge
          Cartridge 15 September 2022 08: 15
          -2
          Genry wrote everything to you correctly! you again inserted the picture of the first loading, and the next - read above ...
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 15 September 2022 09: 37
            0
            Quote: Cartridge
            Genry wrote everything to you correctly! you again inserted the picture of the first loading, and the next - read above ...

            Well, this is again an exercise, but Germany will not litter the training ground with empty TPKs. And so he shot back, unloaded an empty container to the ground, drove up to the truck and loaded the full one.
    4. belost79
      belost79 14 September 2022 17: 56
      -3
      Of course, the reloading system on the car is good. But on the other hand, in its absence, the volley could be twice as large
      1. guerilla707
        guerilla707 15 September 2022 00: 20
        0
        In two is unlikely, but in one and a half it is possible
    5. DrtFd
      DrtFd 16 September 2022 06: 09
      0
      you compare a hurricane with these 6 tubes? are you that uncle?
  2. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 14 September 2022 16: 21
    +1
    The development of the promising ER GMLRS rocket is coming to an end. This project provides for a slight increase in the dimensions of the rocket, but this does not affect the ammunition load of the MLRS. Due to the larger engine, the flight range was brought up to 150 km. As before, the rocket is guided and guided along the programmed coordinates.

    Maybe they'll make them rectangular instead of cylindrical to fit in the old bag. After all, since the projectiles are corrected, it is not necessary to spin them at the start in the tube to increase accuracy, the electronics will correct itself.
    1. Genry
      Genry 14 September 2022 17: 32
      +3
      A round pipe is lighter and better able to withstand pressure than a square pipe.
      Twisting - of course, is no longer necessary.
      1. guerilla707
        guerilla707 15 September 2022 00: 21
        0
        And in flight, how will the square behave, in terms of aerodynamics
  3. Arkady007
    Arkady007 14 September 2022 16: 43
    -10
    As long as the likes of Chubais and Rogozin are at the helm of our state, the development of industry and other things is a big question.
    1. Genry
      Genry 14 September 2022 17: 30
      +3
      Do not attach your Chubais to our Rogozin.
    2. belost79
      belost79 14 September 2022 17: 38
      +6
      "As long as they will be at the helm of our state..." Follow what is happening in Russia, CIPSO warrior. Otherwise, your American master will not like your joints and instead of a daily can of stew, you will go as a projectile catcher to the Donbass.
  4. bk0010
    bk0010 14 September 2022 17: 18
    +2
    Large-caliber MLRS with a range of at least 150-200 km are becoming an analogue or competitor of full-fledged MLRS.
    Fix
  5. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 September 2022 17: 31
    +7
    There is no point in breaking records in this direction. MLRS essentially performs the tasks of "compact pack artillery" and the range of destruction is relevant for it only through the prism of using enemy artillery and a number of other means to the range of reach, sufficient time to collapse and withdraw from positions after a volley. A range of 100 km gives more than enough time to roll up and retreat after a volley, as well as invulnerability to hit by counter-battery weapons.
    It is worth noting that the price of a rocket increases with an increase in its flight range, as does the price of an installation, by the way. Also, the size of the installation, the requirements for cross-country ability, the size of the rocket (and its EPR) inevitably increase. All these factors begin to directly affect both the number of complexes and missiles produced, and the ability of the enemy to fight and detect them and their missiles.
    Like long-range artillery in excess of a large caliber, at some stage there comes a moment when it is not advisable to further increase the characteristics in this niche. In the case of MLRS, apparently, this firing range is far beyond the firing range of the most common active-reactive precession projectiles (such as Excalibur'a).
    With a rocket flight speed of 2M (this is an extremely rough estimate, because it is impossible to find accurate data on the rocket speed of the same "Polonaise" or "Smerch" in Runet - there is data on the rocket's speed "at the exit" and there are estimated data on the speed of the "Point -U", I assume that the speed of the MLRS missiles is in the range from 1M to 2M, possibly higher values ​​\u100b\u500bat the stage of hitting the target) XNUMX km. the average distance is overcome already for a period of up to a minute. During this time, a target moving at the speed of a tank over rough terrain manages to drive approx. XNUMX meters.
    All this I mean is that further increasing the distance will be associated with an increase in the time between launch and defeat - and the conditional target will have time to overcome about 1 km during this time. In such conditions, a different set of qualities will already be required from the ammunition, which will definitely affect its cost, forcing it to be faster, more accurate and more destructive.
    All this will simply lead the system in the direction of becoming an OTRK - and what's the point in that?
    MLRS must create a firestorm and a branch of hell for a limited budget, this is its feature. It should sow the area and not shoot with "golden" bullets.

    I'm in no way "pro" in the question, it's purely cold logic.
    1. spirit
      spirit 14 September 2022 18: 30
      +4
      I agree. A long-range MLRS (like the MLRS M270 MLRS / tornado) becomes a mini OTRK, and should work exclusively with high-precision projectiles, hitting important targets. Then the price / result is acceptable and occupy its niche. Do you need to shoot further? .What's the point of hammering unguided, but still expensive, missiles for 270 km if they don’t get anywhere with such a spread? For me, the most reasonable thing is to have cheap short-range MLRS, and transfer all long-range missiles exclusively to guided munitions hi
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 15 September 2022 10: 00
      +2
      With a rocket flight speed of 2M (this is an extremely rough estimate, because in RuNet you can find accurate data on the rocket speed of the same "Polonaise" or "Smerch"

      The speed of missiles at Tornado at the time of engine operation reaches 1400 m / s. Iskander has 2100 m / s, the target has 700-800 m / s (moreover, braking is provided for the normal operation of the guidance system).
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 15 September 2022 11: 03
        0
        Thanks for the data!
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 15 September 2022 11: 09
          +1
          But you must understand that this is the maximum, not the average.
        2. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 15 September 2022 11: 38
          +1
          I rechecked myself, climbed into the library, corrected the speed of Tornado rockets to 1200 m/s



          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 15 September 2022 12: 10
            +1
            Well, I was interested in speed insofar as I needed estimated data on the change in the situation in the attack zone from the moment the decision was made to launch (at the maximum distance) and until the moment it hit. 1200 m/s is approx. 80 seconds from salvo to defeat, during which time the conditional tank manages to drive approx. 700 meters (which takes it out of the range of missiles of this system). Other moving vehicles will also be roughly within this range. Increasing the range of such systems, thus setting much greater requirements for "real-time" reconnaissance, or for the ability of projectiles to be guided correctly in the final section - otherwise the effectiveness of the system and its ammunition within a changing combat situation will be significantly reduced (as far as I understand) . Not to mention the fact that missile defense has time to react and it is enough.
            The very requirements for missiles at such distances at such speeds will differ more and more (including in the direction of higher prices), despite the fact that their lethality will often not pay for this.
            Actually, missiles as a carrier of warheads are an eternal compromise of four things - power, accuracy, range, size. Changing each of these parameters also affects the price. Changing two parameters will critically affect the other two. So mass and lethal weapons turn into point and long-range weapons, and vice versa. Finding a certain golden mean in this equation is, it seems to me, a task, not so much a design one as a military one. As for me, the critical inputs here are the price, the range beyond the destruction of corrected active-rocket projectiles (with a margin), the ability to have time to go beyond the affected area after launch, the time from salvo to defeat, the ability of one installation to overload missile defense, moderate accuracy with good lethality . The most important thing is, of course, the price and mass character of missiles, because the military economy is everything.
            If we operate with this list, then there is no place for systems "beyond 100 km", the upper ceiling of the rational range is about 80 km.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 15 September 2022 12: 52
              0
              If we operate with this list, then there is no place for systems "beyond 100 km"

              "range beyond the limits of destruction of corrected active-rocket projectiles (with a margin)" - systems "beyond 100 km" correspond to
              "the ability to have time to go beyond the affected area after launch" - systems "for 100 km" correspond
              "time from salvo to defeat" - not a defining value that determines the time from mutual detection to defeat
              "the ability of one installation to overload the missile defense system" is decided by the preliminary launch of a missile with sections fired on the trajectory with dipole reflectors, the object covered by the missile defense system deserves to spend one such missile in a salvo, everything else if the air defense is already well protected.
              "moderate accuracy with good slaughter" - systems "per 100 km" correspond
              "price" - left in the end. Without comparison with the "price" of the goal and the impunity of application, it is meaningless.
  6. olgherd
    olgherd 14 September 2022 18: 43
    +2
    Rockets are getting thicker and there are fewer of them in the package. At what point is the MLRS converted into an OTRK, given that there are 2 missiles in the same Iskander?
    1. UA3QHP
      UA3QHP 14 September 2022 22: 14
      0
      That is, the whole point of the MLRS is lost - a large number of relatively cheap unguided projectiles arranging a local firestorm. They are moving into a multiply charged tactical missile system with expensive missiles and pinpoint target engagement.
  7. TIR
    TIR 14 September 2022 20: 46
    0
    As an option, make one lead missile in the package, which launches first and has, say, satellite guidance, with a deviation of 5-20m. And the next missiles that will come out of the package next, let's do with IR guidance. Which will go one after another. With a deviation of 50-200 m. We get dense coverage at the maximum distance with high accuracy and with cheap guidance. Cheaper than putting satellite guidance on each missile
  8. Dmitry Chelyabinsk
    Dmitry Chelyabinsk 14 September 2022 22: 08
    +1
    The review did not include the Chinese WS-2 (range 200 km) and WS-2D (400 km), which were put into service in 2004 and 2008, respectively.
  9. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 14 September 2022 22: 41
    0
    Our whole thought is stuck on the "Tornados" (I was somehow surprised how few there are and how much ammunition for them costs, according to open sources). I think there are more likely claims to MO. Although, the manufacturer is also a little bit trying to stick his unique car. Take the same ISDM (with a 4-axle Kamaz and a high center of gravity) or Tos-2 (it’s generally expensive here - an order of magnitude, Tornado-U on everything imported), which have an unjustified combination of chassis and load. MLRS is needed on a single chassis, preferably with cabin armor, but not prohibitively expensive (our mraps cost like armored personnel carriers, so they won’t fit, even amers have a cheaper chassis). There is batch loading on ISDM, but there are questions for execution (here you can peep at the Jews). And, I would like to tell the designers - the rotation of ammunition, so to speak, has not been necessary for a long time, this is not a dogma, now accuracy is achieved by correction in flight.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 14 September 2022 23: 31
      +2
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      MLRS is needed on a single chassis, preferably with a cabin reservation, but not prohibitively expensive


      It's like a cheap, good old armored train, only now reborn as a pure missile train. You just need to increase the range, which is easy to do since the piece of iron is not so sensitive to the mass of the load, unlike the unpaved chassis.
      In fact, it is valuable that ultra-long-range corrected MLRS can operate in a closed air defense sky - modern aircraft are so expensive that they simply will not be released into flight in such conditions.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 15 September 2022 08: 13
        0
        There is a nuance here, ultra-long-range ones are already 150+ km, and not 70-80, as before. Therefore, everything that is "before" needs to be made cheaper and lighter. The Jews (Lynx), the Americans (in the form of a more specialized himars, although they managed to launch amraam from them according to the network-centric system), the Chinese (in the form of a replica of himars) have already done this. It is necessary to generalize someone else's experience and design a system. Dreams...
    2. TIR
      TIR 15 September 2022 00: 42
      -1
      A single chassis with shrapnel armor. And already packages from a rocket can be put in any caliber. The larger the caliber, the fewer missiles. Make according to load capacity
  10. Popenko
    Popenko 15 September 2022 05: 22
    -2
    You can argue until you turn blue or red. There are a lot of pro- and contra. The only thing that is indisputable is that our NWO is stalling, which means that we need to draw organizational conclusions. That's just not heard that at least one general was dismissed.
  11. demiurg
    demiurg 15 September 2022 06: 27
    +1
    If it is possible to get the coordinates of the target, then there is more than enough to hit the target even now. There are whalers, krasnopoles, iskanders, there are cruise missiles. Guided munitions appear at the tornado. There are air-launched guided missiles for every taste and range. There are guided/adjustable weapons for any range, from a kilometer to 500 and more.

    There is no targeting. No RTR aircraft, no satellite reconnaissance.
  12. Vladimiron
    Vladimiron 15 September 2022 10: 41
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    It’s indecent, at a time when the RF Armed Forces are fighting heavy battles, telling fairy tales on the air about superweapons, about air supremacy, about intelligence successes - you don’t mind.
  13. Dmitry Smetanin
    Dmitry Smetanin 15 September 2022 11: 19
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    "Gives known advantages, but imposes certain restrictions", "Notable achievements". Which are known, which are certain? Kirill, how did you get with such texts. From the first lines you can guess whose writing it is
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 September 2022 11: 41
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    It is also necessary to describe the control systems for such MLRS. Ukraine has shown how important it is to issue a control center in a short time and make launches almost immediately ... The efficiency of such systems grows significantly. For good, the Hymarsami launcher turns into a minibus, which, moving and reloading, makes launches according to incoming data ...... You can have several reload points and nightmare a piece of the front.
  15. Conjurer
    Conjurer 15 September 2022 12: 58
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    In terms of design, this is indeed a volley fire system that has undergone scaling. However, in terms of performance characteristics, this is already a full-fledged OTRK with a good firing range.

    When evaluating any weapon, it is necessary, first of all, to take into account its purpose, that is, the targets to be hit. OTRK with a monoblock part hit fortified or massive structures of various kinds at a great distance, MLRS - openly located manpower and equipment, possibly weakly protected (i.e. not strong) structures. Why? Warhead weight. In an attempt to destroy the Antonovsky Bridge, the Armed Forces of Ukraine spent a bunch of guided missiles, making holes in it, like in a sieve. And it was possible to break through with one or two half-ton warheads and it would be much more problematic to restore it due to cracks in the supporting structures.
    Increasing the firing range increases the requirements for the control system, making it more expensive. One control system on the OTP or a bunch on the RZO to achieve the same effect (for example, when using a cluster warhead in the OTP)? This is without taking into account the fact that the modern OTR is protected from air defense, while the RSO has no chance of this. Therefore, it is unlikely that the MLRS will ever be equal to the OTR, they have different weight categories.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 September 2022 16: 04
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    Quote: Conjurer
    When evaluating any weapon, it is necessary, first of all, to take into account its purpose, that is, the targets to be hit.

    For example, MLRS are better and cheaper to use against missile defense systems, including at long range, than OTRK.
  17. Vladimir Michailovich
    Vladimir Michailovich 15 September 2022 21: 34
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    Quote: d4rkmesa
    now accuracy is achieved by in-flight correction

    In the absence of rotation, to stabilize the power supply, either control surfaces with appropriate drives or separate TT motors are needed. Both solutions are complex and expensive. So most likely the amers also stabilize the power supply by rotation.
  18. GRAFIN_32
    GRAFIN_32 16 September 2022 07: 57
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    The type of weapon is much needed especially in mass production. We used to be kings in both artillery and MLRS. I am surprised that in the SVO very few of them are used, unlike the receiver, and there is a lot of work for them. Now about development as such.
    For now, there is only one trend. This is functional. But since it is performed, I honestly despise it. I hope we don’t get this to the army. People confuse the coast. They want to mix OTRK with MLRS. That's just funny. Our Soviet school must follow a straight road and not turn off. Either the classic MLRS, or nothing, or comrades over the hill for fashion, etc. Although I've been wondering for a long time where people's fantasies come from. West, west, west. Dream for a man. Warriors, where are you goofing off? To each his own. This is the law of life. If there is MLRS like fingers on a hand and there is no experience in using it, then who said that they are better? MLRS in the domestic school is a heavenly punishment for the enemy and should remain so. War is not a trinket runway. All our MLRS needs is a comprehensive work on accuracy and that's it. The rest have already been born. Throw in when needed. The problem now is the number and saturation of the troops. Now about how you would like.
    I don't like the Polonaise. In shock that the Belarusians reached him. They also decided on fashion. No other way. They have not yet participated in the wars. They would cooperate with us, there would be more benefits.
    What to do for fashion lovers? Yes, everything is simple. I want to say this for the Soviet school. Make new shells in standard calibers. Enough to fence a den of various sizes. We have 3 calibers no longer needed. 300mm is terrible power. Leave the rest to the VKS and OTRK with the fleet. You don't have to be super duper. We are still poor. You don't even need to argue. On the SVO T-62, not from a big mind. Just cheap and cheerful. How should MLRS be developed? Work on tasks. There are a lot of types of 300mm missiles alone. Shoot only 2-3 from strength. I see further improvement only in the truncation of the type of missiles. High-explosive fragmentation, mixed and long-range high-precision.
    Looking at the NWO, you understand that the infantry needs its own cruise missiles. OTRK Iskander / -M are very expensive and there are very few of them. It is necessary to start developing missiles for MLRS in the form of a cruise missile. Where the calculation is at a distance of at least, but more than 500 km for accurate and covert shooting at the necessary targets. There are a lot of such goals in the NWO. And we only have missiles from the fleet and OTRK. The infantry must be independent and not depend on other branches of the military. Therefore, development is just like that. Multi-caliber and bundling looks ridiculous and silly at best. To each his own. All these topics with polonaises from strangers. We need to develop our school and I described the option.
  19. decimalegio
    decimalegio 17 September 2022 09: 50
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    thanks to the author for the article. Interesting. good
    1. agond
      agond 21 September 2022 09: 30
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      Quote from: GRAFIN_32
      Where the calculation is at a distance of at least, but more than 500 km

      In a caliber of 300mm, this is hardly possible for one simple reason, the rocket is too long and therefore heavy for a rocket engine with a nozzle diameter of 300mm, that is, it lacks thrust and therefore it must work longer (the greater the thrust of the engine, the less time it can work and the the rocket acceleration process is more economical) The MLRS range could be increased by simply increasing the engine efficiency by increasing the nozzle diameter, but then the rocket will not fit into the launch tube.
  20. Uralean
    Uralean 21 September 2022 21: 28
    +1
    Quote from Zoto
    There is nothing in the Russian Armed Forces except for the ancient two-unit Soviet "Krasnol", which is aimed from the ground, and those storage periods are running out.
    For Tornado-S, this parameter reaches 120 km. In addition, the industry reported the possibility of creating missiles with a range of 200 km.

    But there is no real-time target designation for such systems in the Russian Armed Forces. They are not needed, they cannot be applied. The Russian army on the front end sees nothing further than binoculars! Do you know how many "Tornados" are converted into "Tornado-S" at the Motovilov Plants per year? You will choke on laughter and tears.
    Zelensky in Izyum, with his coven, publicly crap all the means of technical intelligence in the Russian Armed Forces, and the Russian Armed Forces themselves, with the help of the Gerasimovs, who threw the army back to the level of the Second World War, for their 10 years of brilliant leadership ...
    According to a number of foreign military experts, he is considered the creator of the so-called "Gerasimov Doctrine", which formed the basis of the Russian concept of a new generation of war.

    Did not know ? The Gerasimovs have the most advanced army, don't you see? We have a "new generation" war?!
    Genius! Reformer! Hero! Unprecedented successes, now everyone sees it ... For 10 years they asked him, showed him, warned him when he fictitiously accepted ESU TZ "Constellation-M". We talked about the consequences. The Russian army is strong with the cast-iron heads of unfortunate commanders ...

    Do not whine here with anguish then. Look, found, predictor. Fight with what you have, if you are a warrior, not a whiner. Or go to the side and sit there quietly. Without people like you, Russian soldiers will do everything right. It has been so for centuries. Like warriors, in Russia, so are whiners, all weeders. For a hundred years, such a miracle from Europe and Asia came to us and measured its strength with us. The Russian warrior, with the weapons that he had, defeated armies better equipped than him, and this is a medical fact.
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 22 September 2022 18: 15
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      It’s good to wave a saber, you won’t swing it .. In Russia, not only Russians live, but also infidels, and Jewish followers, and a dime a dozen others. And you are a Russian warrior ..... The strength of the country is in community .. and not in the isolation of one from the other ... You, dear, have something to wave ..
  21. Alexfly
    Alexfly 22 September 2022 18: 06
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    Until there is individual guidance of missiles with minimal dispersion (some bridges, for example, are perforated very accurately), then we can forget about record holders and super-duper applications. Wunder-fafel and everything here spread into his pockets ..