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The idea of ​​Juche with a nuclear filling: who should be afraid?

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The idea of ​​Juche with a nuclear filling: who should be afraid?

We are all here somewhat distracted by events that are closer to us, but meanwhile, on the other side of our immense, events are taking place no less, in my opinion, important, both in significance and in terms of possible consequences.


The Korean government passed a special law that approved nuclear weapon as an integral part of the national security system. The law, by the way, in addition to reasons for the use of nuclear deterrents, prohibits ANY negotiations on the disarmament of the DPRK. Moreover, the first person to whom it is forbidden is Kim Jong-un himself.

“The law draws a line of no return so that no bargaining regarding our nuclear weapons begins” - this is what the Korean leader said about this.


Plus, the nuclear doctrine of North Korea was quietly and peacefully adopted, which clearly and distinctly states: the DPRK has the right to launch PREVENTIVE nuclear strikes if it becomes aware of the impending use of weapons of mass destruction (any, including non-nuclear) or an attempt to strike by any means against North Korean strategic facilities.

And the icing on the cake: Kim Jong-un himself was appointed the first such strategic target. Behind him is the entire political leadership of the country, and only then - nuclear institutions and everything else.

Let's put it this way - it's very original, but we, with our charter, will not go to the Korean camp, as we consider it necessary to do - they will do so. Moreover, the North Korean leader does not particularly ask anyone's opinion. Juche is generally a thin and difficult thing to understand, and even more so in the presentation of Comrade Kim. So we accept it as it is.

I'm sure today it makes sense to look back at historyto gauge how far the tiny country has gone in building its nuclear umbrella. The path, I must say, is very instructive.

In general, Koreans are great fellows in terms of implementing their projects. One can talk a lot about the shortcomings of the DPRK system, but the fact that they know how to work for the good of the country cannot be taken away or disputed.


So, history.

The creation of Korean nuclear weapons began in fact 60 years ago, in 1962. A beautiful figure came out, yes. It was then, in 1962, in the wake of the Caribbean crisis, that the then leader of North Korea, Kim Il Sung, decided to start work on his own nuclear program.


Kim Il Sung was really emotional, because what happened in the Caribbean crisis showed a lot. Namely, the large countries of the USSR and the United States will not especially stand on ceremony with their allies on a smaller scale, and therefore North Korea should rely only on itself.

How right Kim Il Sung turned out to be, unfortunately, he did not see. But his successor son, Kim Jong Il, saw the very unpleasant endings of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi, who believed that the Western world would be loyal to them in exchange for abandoning their own nuclear development programs. And here it is worth saying that Kim Il Sung turned out to be a visionary, although rather he was just an intelligent analyst and had no illusions about the West.

But in general, the Americans are to blame for the beginning of work on the creation of nuclear weapons. If they had not placed their nuclear charges on the territory of South Korea at the beginning of 1958, perhaps nothing would have happened. And from 1958 to 1991, North Korea was forced to exist, having relatives with American atomic bombs in its neighbors.

So-so neighborhood, given how the demarcation between Koreas took place.

Kim Il Sung made the right decision and underground construction began in the country. Global, across North Korea. Even the subway was laid at a depth of more than a hundred meters precisely for safety reasons, and not for the depth of groundwater and the texture of the rocks.

As a result, North Korea today has a huge network of underground / foothill structures of the most diverse nature. There is no information that the Koreans hid underground, as you understand, they know how to keep a secret there, but what has leaked suggests that the most important industries and research institutes sent deeper from the face of the earth cannot be destroyed just like that.

Next, Kim Il Sung began dancing with the allies.

The first to whom the Korean leader addressed was, of course, the USSR. Kim Jong Il, in his simple, rail-like manner, turned to the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU and said something like this: the enemies are all around, we need to be strong, so give us technology, equipment and specialists. Let's make an atomic bomb!

The Politburo, of course, was stunned by this and refused, voting unanimously. It was in 1963 and somehow we no longer wanted to provoke another world crisis. And the peremptory North Korean communist Comrade Kim was still a phenomenon with a grenade, and no one was eager to make a nuclear grenade. And so we just moved away from the Caribbean crisis.

But the Soviet leaders had the sense and tact not to anger Comrade Kim. The proximity of the borders, and his beginning discord with Mao Zedong, who wanted to lead China to a brighter future, not in the way that the USSR saw it, had an effect.

That's why our people made Kim a very fat and tasty offer: we won't give a bomb, but... how about a peaceful atom?

Kim Il Sung quickly realized that he was being set up a little, and rushed to China. There, just on October 16, 1965, the Chinese people's atomic bomb went off, and there was something to profit from.


Alas, the Great Pilot Mao refused his neighbor, and not simply, but in a very harsh manner. Well, Comrade Mao could not afford such a thing. “Small countries do not need great weapons. Small countries should be able to be friends with great powers.”

To the credit of the Koreans, they made a second attempt in 1974, but with the same result.

Then, in 1965, a decision was made to take the slow route. Ours agreed to this and the process began.

While some Koreans were chiselling mountains, building underground shelters, others were studying in the USSR, which hospitably opened the doors of its best universities to North Koreans. For 20 years, more than three hundred first-class nuclear physicists were trained in the Union (would they try not to study like shock workers of communist labor!). Plus, under an interstate agreement, the USSR sent to North Korea a small IRT-2000 nuclear reactor, developed within the walls of MEPhI, the forge of Soviet nuclear personnel.


The reactor was received by the walls of the nuclear research center in Yongbyon. There, the Koreans calmly overclocked the 3,5 MW reactor to 8 megawatts, and in 1979 they considered that they could build the reactor on their own. And specialists for the Korean nuclear program were already trained in North Korea.


And everything was very quiet and peaceful, until this happened: in 1985, the IAEA commission visited the DPRK. Then still a respected organization, not like now, checked the work in the country for compliance with the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons. And then the IAEA experts began to suspect the Koreans that everything was somewhat different from what was in their reports. More precisely - it's not like that at all.

Suspicions lasted for a long time, right up to 1992. Then, after another visit to Yongbyon, the IAEA gentlemen seriously believed that North Korea had weapons-grade plutonium stored somewhere, which, to put it mildly, does not appear in the reports.

Control specialists demanded access to sites where spent fuel is stored, because it is from the waste that one can conclude how the fuel burned out, respectively, what was the result - weapons-grade plutonium-239 or conventional isotopes 240, 241 and 242. It should be noted that that it directly depends on the mode of operation of the reactor, what kind of plutonium will be at the exit from the uranium being burned.

The detective began, because the Korean government, as expected, sent the IAEA far away from their spent nuclear fuel storage sites. The UN was indignant, but exactly until the moment they were also sent along a known route.

The UN began to put pressure, demanding and threatening. Kim Il Sung was already at the end of his life, but nevertheless expressed his opinion that he, too, could send the NPT to hell.

Kim Jong Il, who succeeded his father as leader of North Korea, also did not let the world community relax.


The result of the confrontation was the withdrawal of the DPRK from the nuclear agreements in 2003, effectively realizing the complete isolation of the DPRK from all dialogues.

And in 2004, the whole world started up. There was a huge explosion in North Korea. What actually happened, the explosion of an underground weapons factory or the actual construction of a hydroelectric power station, is still not clear, the leadership of the DPRK refused to comment on what happened. Russian representatives had to intervene in the matter, explaining to the whole world that seismograms from an underground nuclear explosion did not look like that.

But nothing, the Koreans are stubborn guys, and in 2006 the first North Korean atomic charge was fired. Moreover, the Koreans notified only the PRC about the tests, the rest felt it in fact.

And then it began, as if on a conveyor belt: 2009, 2013, 2016 brought information about more and more powerful ammunition being blown up by the North Korean military. And in 2017, the Koreans detonated a hydrogen bomb, after which a uniform hysteria began at the UN.

It turned out that the DPRK, having carried out the regime of unilateral isolation, organized its internal affairs in such an original way that it simply does not care about all the cries of the world community. And the sanctions have no weight, because there is nothing to sanction at all.

But since 2017, there has been a sudden silence. Tests were not carried out, intelligence and defectors to South Korea brought information about the presence of no more than 30 ammunition of different capacities, which was not very scary. The United States and Russia had hundreds of times more warheads and bombs, so there was no one to worry about except those especially close to South Korea and Japan.

American experts assured the whole world that despite the presence of charges, the DPRK does not have delivery vehicles, and under the current conditions, Kim Jong-un's guys will not be able to build an intercontinental ballistic missile.


“Hold my Hennessy,” said Kim Jong-un.

And in the direction of Japan, the first rocket was launched ...


The experts fell silent, but the world community howled. Nuclear weapons, coupled with delivery vehicles - in the performance of a comrade from the Kim family, this is more than serious.

World-class demolitions have begun. The Chinese made faces like pancakes: rocket technology is banned, we did not transfer anything to the Koreans. Is there evidence? Not? Goodbye!

The Americans expectedly rushed to Russia. Ours opened all the cabinets and offered to look. No evidence has been found.

So the scandal gradually began to subside, until the time came for the next parade in North Korea in honor of the Day of the formation of the country. And this is where things became clear.

The experts howled enthusiastically, because in the outlines of the DPRK launch vehicles, the features of similar products of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau were quite calmly guessed. The roar of the world community on the topic “Did you fuck everything in your Ukraine there?” reached Kyiv, but there, too, everyone made their faces dumplings.

In general, it turned out very funny: Ukrainian specialists from the same "Yuzhny", having remained practically without work, in fact, privately dragged a bunch of documentation to the DPRK. And yes, we enjoyed riding.

On the whole, the inhabitants of the square, who were so furiously striving to prove something to the Russians, did not fulfill their task, but at the same time supplied the DPRK with a launch vehicle based on Zenit.


The official authorities of Ukraine generally gave birth to a masterpiece: they said that the North Koreans ... copied Ukrainian engines based on the special literature of the Soviet era. Almost from photographs.

In general, someone was funny, someone really twitched. In Japan, in general, they felt very close to the DPRK, which, coupled with the whirlwinds of Kim Jong-un, began to evoke longing and bad memories. Moreover, flights towards Japan began systematically and regularly.

After 2014, IAEA specialists, taking advantage of the fact that Kyiv came under the control of Washington, dealt with the situation to the end. Kyiv admitted that, yes, Ukrainian specialists participated in North Korean work on the launch vehicle, but ... in private. Weekends and free time. Vacationers, so to speak.

But in 2018, everyone in the world no longer cared who was to blame. The question began to arise - "What to do?", as Kim Jong-un demonstrated a policy no less firm than his grandfather and father.

And since the Ukrainians seem to have become their own, the Europeans, no one really pressed them anymore. Because the issue with the carrier and stalled.

But again the question arose of who helped to realize the production of thermonuclear munitions. An atomic bomb is simple, but a thermonuclear one is much more complicated. In general, it looked like a miracle, since creating an atomic bomb based on excellent Soviet developments is one thing, but without the help of members of the club of owners of tactical nuclear weapons, it is simply impossible to cope.

The Ukrainians have been pressed again, because the world club of nuclear weapons owners consists of gentlemen who are very principled in matters of the spread of these weapons in the world. But again everything stalled. Yes, Ukraine received from the USSR simply a luxurious base, and according to UN reports, the country could easily create its own nuclear weapons.

Considering that Ukraine with nuclear weapons is an even more terrible phenomenon than the DPRK, it is understandable why the US and Russia have made so much effort to ensure that Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons. It's too out of control.

It is obvious that Ukrainian specialists helped the North Koreans in these matters as well. But then again, they don’t touch their own, so no one began to look for Ukrainian traces in Korean missiles and warheads.

As a result, on September 8, 2022, Kim Jong-un began a new era in the history of the DPRK. Now the leadership of the DPRK has something to apply and there are conditions in which nuclear weapons will be used by the Korean military. Even as a precaution.


That is, now the Koreans can legally fuck on ... yes, at least on the grouping of US and South Korean ships carrying out regular exercises. If you look at the statements made by official Pyongyang, they called the exercises "a rabid provocation and a threat to national security."

A "threat to national security" is a reason to strike.

Do you think Kim Jong-un has enough firmness, what is to be done? In my opinion, it's overkill. Yes, and his sister, Kim Yo-jong, does not suffer from a lack of firmness and is seriously considered as the successor to Kim Jong-un in which case.


The Kim family, which is leading North Korea to defeat the Juche idea, will continue to do so. Only now the DPRK has nuclear weapons that can not only wash Japan into history, but also try to reach out to the United States.

And what, "Zenith" is a very good rocket ...

Moreover, in reality, the United States or, as an intermediary, Japan can get horns from the DPRK. The US policy on the possession and proliferation of nuclear weapons, rather crooked and inconsistent (think of Israel right away), is pushing many in the world to organize a small nuclear arsenal. Just in case.

It is clear that in the modern world, the same Iran will turn inside out, but will get its own nuclear weapons. What the Western world did with this country was surpassed only by Russian sanctions. So, sooner or later, Iran will have its own nuclear weapons, no matter how Israel is outraged in the confrontation.

In his little personal hell of the DPRK, Comrade Kim (no matter which one) did the impossible - he gave his small country a guarantee against the encroachments of the "stronghold of democracy." Now North Korea can, of course, be returned to the bosom of world democracy, but I'm afraid that this can only be done at the expense of South Korea and Japan.

Everything, as they say, is done.

The only question is who will follow North Korea. Iran? Yes, probably. And just as Japan feels uncomfortable with North Korea's maneuvers, Israel will twitch at the news that Iran, too, now has nuclear weapons. Iran already has delivery vehicles, so…

Moreover, they should not be with an exorbitant range. All the same from 500 to 1000 km, and mushrooms will bloom in the zone of American interests in the Middle East.

Dangerous times. But what to do if only a well-locked door and a nuclear bomb under the threshold can today guarantee you your immunity tomorrow?
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 September 2022 05: 02
    +14
    The United States, with its reckless actions, opened Pandora's box itself, starting with the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... every such action of theirs gives rise to opposition in the world ...
    And when in the Kremlin and Washington they start talking about international law, Homeric laughter begins to overcome me ... once again I am convinced that in our crazy world only the right of the strong matters and weight, and not international law that did not protect either Yugoslavia, or Libya, or Iraq, neither Afghanistan nor Russia in the end.
    Only power allows you to establish balance and balance on our planet.
    My respect and respect to the Great Eun who, with limited forces and resources, was able to achieve the impossible ... unlike our current mediocre leaders.
    1. Quzmi4
      Quzmi4 15 September 2022 17: 30
      +1
      "A contract is a document binding on the weakest party"
    2. YanniKounnar
      YanniKounnar 16 September 2022 19: 17
      0
      Comme vous l'écrivez et ce n'est pas nouveau:
      "La raison du plus fort est toujours la meilleure"
      Poeme le Loup et L'Agneau de Jean de La Fontaine 1668

      Yandex
      As you write, and this is nothing new:
      "The cause of the strongest is always the best"
      The Poem of the Wolf and the Lamb from Jean De La Fontaine
    3. storm
      storm 22 November 2022 01: 53
      0
      It would be quite possible to exchange two or three old nuclear submarines pr 667 BDRM for 200-300 thousand volunteers from North Korea for a more successful completion of the NWO.
      And let NATO choke on anger with their own saliva,
      but the point is not the Koreans or NATO, but the lack of firmness and determination in defending the national interests of Russia from the current leadership ...
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 September 2022 05: 07
    -5
    The nuclear program of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea from in a popular presentation for the smallest with insults to the leaders of North Korea. Wonderful...
    1. Jackson
      Jackson 15 September 2022 05: 38
      +13
      Well, I didn't feel offended. Yes, the nuclear path of North Korea is described in a rather simplified and accessible way, as well as the fact that their leader does not throw words into the wind and stubbornly goes towards his goals, not exchanging for empty threats.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 15 September 2022 05: 47
        +2
        Quote: Jackson
        Well, I didn't feel offended.

        performed by a comrade from the Kimov family, this is more than serious.
        coupled with the twists of Kim Jong-un
        In his little personal hell of the DPRK, Comrade Kim

        Because they didn't touch you.
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 September 2022 05: 24
    +7
    The idea of ​​Juche with a nuclear filling: who should be afraid?

    And it's time for someone to study the Juche ideas (not for frantic copying) to develop their own "special article" national idea.
    The leader of the DPRK showed and proved to the whole world that it is possible to survive under conditions of total sanctions and unsurpassed isolation for decades only with strict discipline and full dedication.
    That is why snickering Americans, impudent Japanese, and even flabby and fat Europeans were dumbfounded by Kim Jong-un's assertiveness. Neither the leader nor the North Korean people are afraid of threats - they have nothing to lose, except for the chains with which (at the behest of the United States) they were bound by obedient American satellites and partners.
    The example of the DPRK will be indicative for many. By the way, I hope that nuclear power plants being built by Russia here and there, then in Turkey will not contribute to the emergence of opportunities for obtaining technology for the production of nuclear weapons?
    Paraphrasing A.S. Pushkin:

    His example to others is science.
    And this nuclear "thing"
    Gives the right to send everyone in the ass.
    If you decide to take a risk, you won't be happy.
    *****
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    My respect and respect to the Great Eun who, with limited forces and resources, was able to achieve the impossible ... unlike our current mediocre leaders.

    good
  4. Luminman
    Luminman 15 September 2022 06: 00
    +6
    Comrade Kim has long put his penis on all this so-called. "global community".
    And he did the right thing...
  5. ares1988
    ares1988 15 September 2022 07: 28
    -6
    "Dangerous times. But what if only a well-locked door and a nuclear bomb under the threshold can today guarantee your immunity tomorrow?" - within the framework of this logic, South Korea, Japan and Poland should have nuclear weapons for themselves. Yes, just in case. Well, Ukraine, of course.
    1. User_neydobniu
      User_neydobniu 15 September 2022 09: 10
      0
      within the framework of this logic, South Korea, Japan and Poland should have nuclear weapons for themselves. Yes, just in case. Well, Ukraine, of course.

      Why do satellite countries need nuclear weapons, if necessary, their owner will bring nuclear weapons there and carry out launches
      1. ares1988
        ares1988 15 September 2022 13: 02
        -6
        Well, why just satellites? If this is how you see international politics, then this does not mean at all that it is such.
        Why is it for them? Well, after all, the author writes: to protect his sovereignty. I'm just developing the principles set forth by the author, and suggest that they apply to other countries concerned about maintaining their own sovereignty.
        1. User_neydobniu
          User_neydobniu 15 September 2022 13: 14
          +2
          Well, why just satellites?

          Because they are, no matter how wet your fantasies are.
          what is it to them? Well, after all, the author writes: to protect his sovereignty.

          What sovereignty do the satellite countries have? By the way, for the same Japan, the United States has not yet approved the creation of anything more than the Self-Defense Forces
          I am merely developing the principles outlined by the author and suggesting that they be applied to other countries concerned with the preservation of their own sovereignty.

          You're just trying to tell your wet fantasies here. And so who is preventing your sovereign countries from creating nuclear weapons, but somehow they don’t succeed, that’s the trouble. Although if you follow your logic - that these are strange are not satellites, then I can assume that their inhabitants simply do not have enough brains to build nuclear weapons hi
          1. ares1988
            ares1988 15 September 2022 18: 11
            -4
            "Because they are, no matter how wet fantasies you have" - ​​I understand that Russia builds its foreign policy on the principles of "I'm the boss - you are d ... k" and "put your parsley on the throne." But that doesn't mean everyone else does the same.
            "What kind of sovereignty does the satellite countries have" - ​​normal sovereignty for independent countries. What do you mean by "sovereignty"?
            "By the way, for the same Japan, the United States has not yet approved the creation of anything more than the Self-Defense Forces" - only the United States? There, by chance, there is not a whole heap of restrictions associated with a defeat in WWII. Oh yes, you compare these self-defense forces (as well as the self-defense air force and the self-defense fleet), for example, with the same forces of the Russian Federation in the Far East. So there will be someone else who will be a satellite.
            "And so who prevents your sovereign countries from creating nuclear weapons, but somehow they don’t succeed, that's the trouble." - strange logic. Option: they did not start creating nuclear weapons (although they have all the necessary economic and technical capabilities for this) - have you tried to consider?
            1. User_neydobniu
              User_neydobniu 16 September 2022 06: 00
              -2
              I understand that Russia is building its foreign policy on the principles of "I'm the boss - you are d ... k" and "put your parsley on the throne"

              Sorry, I don’t communicate with flat-earthers, non-flyers and other alternative personalities, you have your own worlds, you need a doctor here)
              1. ares1988
                ares1988 16 September 2022 07: 43
                0
                It is not clear why you attribute to me the support of this anti-scientific nonsense. Well, the transition to personalities best of all speaks of the absence of arguments.
    2. YanniKounnar
      YanniKounnar 16 September 2022 19: 21
      +1
      Et la Serbie, la Syrie, la Libye, la Palestine, le Yemen, Iran... ?
      1. ares1988
        ares1988 17 September 2022 10: 55
        0
        Within the logic of the author - yes. Everyone who wants and can-should start a nuclear weapon.
    3. futurohunter
      futurohunter 18 September 2022 23: 36
      +1
      Poland cannot. They can't do anything other than gossip. But South Korea and Japan have their own vigorous programs ...
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 September 2022 07: 37
    +5
    Quote: ares1988
    Within the framework of this logic, South Korea, Japan and Poland should have nuclear weapons for themselves. Yes, just in case. Well, Ukraine, of course.

    Let's continue your thought ... Serbia, Belarus, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran ... well, Syria ... of course, too, just in case. hi
    1. ares1988
      ares1988 15 September 2022 13: 05
      -2
      Well, if you act within the framework of the principles set forth by the author (if you want independence, build a nuclear bomb; and let the whole world wait) - then yes: let them also start it.
    2. futurohunter
      futurohunter 18 September 2022 23: 39
      0
      Lech from Android
      Let's continue your thought ... Serbia, Belarus, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran ... well, Syria

      Ek you had enough! Belarus under the Russian vigorous umbrella. Syria is ravaged by war (although they had a vigorous program). Iran will create nuclear weapons, I think, within 5 years. The rest have neither the resources nor the scientific and technical potential for this
  7. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 15 September 2022 08: 05
    -1
    An important nuance is that the DPRK will exist only as long as it is isolated. Sanctions, the Iron Curtain, and the like are not only harmless, but necessary.

    Hence, it could not be otherwise.
    1. Maxim G
      Maxim G 15 September 2022 10: 23
      -2
      Why?
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 16 September 2022 07: 59
        +1
        Because Koreans are people too. If you open the borders and remove censorship, then they will go to Seoul as gasters and sell the country for jeans and chewing gum. And there will be nowhere for the current elite to reign...
        1. Maxim G
          Maxim G 16 September 2022 08: 11
          -3
          You are aware that North Koreans work abroad and see the world, and not as gasters, but as highly qualified specialists.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 16 September 2022 10: 49
            0
            At a logging site near Khabarovsk, for example. In separate barracks behind a thorn. With family hostages.

            I will not undertake to assert that the world looks like this for highly qualified specialists ...
  8. Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 September 2022 09: 06
    -5
    1) the main thing is not to start ...
    2) it would be nice, and so as not to make a mistake with the direction ....
    and did not accidentally gasp in Russia ....
  9. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 September 2022 12: 22
    0
    Quote: Max1995
    I didn’t accidentally gasp in Russia ....

    And do not dream ... his goal is Japan and the United States. smile
  10. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 15 September 2022 14: 07
    -1
    North Korea, of course. cool - in terms of how to organize an effective missile and nuclear program on such a modest area, only the Israelis surpassed them. This is really respect.
    However, in terms of "applicability" there is still a lot of skepticism. The fact is that the territory of the DPRK is very compact, and its geographical location and technological level make the missile launch routes damn predictable. The economy is unlikely to allow them to massively indulge in heavy ICBMs - and even if, then the booster section of such missiles will be incredibly close to the weapons of a potential enemy. Who will already try to intercept them in this area using surface and ground systems quite massively (at least), and as a maximum, in fact, will endure everything more or less resembling silos and PGRKs. Underground swarming is a very powerful method of concealment, but it is worth recognizing that in the event of a first strike, a significant part of the infra will be damaged, communications will be disorganized, and so on and so forth .. as a result, the DPRK's retaliatory strike will be significantly less than it would have been preventive. Given the state of the North Korean missile defense system, I believe that the establishment of a sharp and relatively long-term complete dominance in the air production of this country for NATO aviation is not such a problem as part of a large-scale operation. Actually, against such a state of missile defense and for such tasks, their entire complex was sharpened. In this case, the defeat of the PGRK will be possible in a mode close to the "online" mode - I emphasize once again that the area of ​​​​the DPRK is three times smaller than the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe same Iraq, and the effective concealment of something there is extremely conditional.

    The modern underwater components of the strategic nuclear forces in the DPRK are very conditional, although they are available. They are conditional because even much more technologically advanced designs are found by the United States - the chances that in the event of an early decision to attack, they will miss even one boat - are quite small.

    Actually, they may well use nuclear weapons in South Korea - the distances allow. Most likely it will be a point success.
    It is also worth noting that it is likely that the system for the use of nuclear weapons in the DPRK is extremely hierarchical - and in the event of the "removal" of a significant share of the leadership in the first strike (as well as significant damage to communication lines) - there is a risk of extreme focality of real resistance to strategic nuclear forces and, as a result, stretching the response strike (reciprocal-oncoming excluded) in time, which will also be in the hands of the missile defense of the attacking side.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 16 September 2022 10: 51
      -1
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  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 September 2022 15: 42
    +1
    Suspicions lasted for a long time, right up to 1992. Then, after another visit to Yongbyon, the IAEA gentlemen seriously believed that North Korea had weapons-grade plutonium stored somewhere, which, to put it mildly, does not appear in the reports.

    In 1992, the IAEA, or rather the United States, began to mock Iraq, under the pretext that they were looking for nuclear weapons and did the same with the DPRK, but they did not succeed. The task of the IAEA was to establish reliably that the future victim does not have nuclear weapons, and then the United States could bomb it and occupy it without fear.
    Ukrainian specialists from the same "Yuzhny", having remained practically without work, in fact, privately dragged a bunch of documentation to the DPRK. And yes, we enjoyed riding.

    No Ukrainian missile or nuclear specialists have ever hit or given anything to the DPRK. Ukraine is under the full control of the United States and its special services. It is easier to transfer missile technology from the United States to the DPRK than from Ukraine. The DPRK has developed, tested and is producing large missiles for solid fuel submarines, which have never been produced in Ukraine. We must reconcile that nuclear weapons and missile technology are available to many countries and peoples.
    A "threat to national security" is a reason to strike.

    They themselves have experienced Western propaganda on themselves and do not play along with it. The law refers to the use of nuclear weapons only if there is a mortal threat to the very existence of the state and people.
    Now North Korea can, of course, be returned to the bosom of world democracy, but I'm afraid that this can only be done at the expense of South Korea and Japan.

    No, it is already impossible to "return to the bosom of world democracy" by the forces of the United States and its satellites. And such a drink will not be only at the expense of South Korea and Japan. In all cases, the main account will be for the United States.
    Ukraine with nuclear weapons is a mother-in-law more terrible phenomenon than the DPRK

    Ukraine, like Japan and South Korea, will never have nuclear weapons as long as they are US protectorates. The US will not allow the independence of its puppets. Now, if and only when they throw off the dominance of the United States, nuclear weapons can hit them.
  12. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 September 2022 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: ares1988
    within the framework of this logic, South Korea, Japan and Poland should have nuclear weapons for themselves. Yes, just in case. Well, Ukraine, of course.

    Think about why they haven't done it yet. The programs for the development of nuclear weapons, which were very successful, were also beaten by Sweden and Switzerland in the 50s and 60s, but they never tested it.
    All of these are states of limited sovereignty. If you want they have the status of protectorates. The United States (and Poland, first the USSR and then the USA) did not allow them to have their own nuclear weapons and they obeyed.
  13. Quzmi4
    Quzmi4 15 September 2022 17: 31
    +1
    Look how!
    I thought Yongbyon was a swear word...
  14. Martin
    Martin 15 September 2022 19: 54
    +2
    In your own little personal hell, North Korea...

    These are the assessments, I think, that one can give after living for decades in the DPRK. We know about this "hell" from ... sorry, the media "information". Those. we don't know anything.
    This is how I imagine the question. Having no information, but drawing analogies with the image of my country during the USSR, which was formed by the "public opinion" of the then West.
    There is no "hell" in Korea. Ray, of course, too. The difficult life of an independent (!!!) country is going on, moreover, a very small country (which is important), in conditions of general disregard. Not sanctions, as Roman correctly noted, but ignore. In such conditions, one can live only by unanimously placing the public above the personal. Those. and do not fill up, and process, and do what they say, and not what you want. Let's put it this way: Stalin's grandfather's USSR, only severely exacerbated by the much smaller size of the country and population and much greater external disregard. Here isolation is an objective necessity. Otherwise, collapse. Remember the USSR already Gorbachev. Face to face with America, yeah.
  15. Nord11
    Nord11 15 September 2022 21: 47
    +1
    Well, with the means of delivery, you can do it on a budget. It is enough to place the launcher on a dry cargo ship with a flag of convenience, while the missile can also be used for medium range.
  16. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 15 September 2022 23: 35
    +1
    I wouldn't be so worried. The fact that the DPRK has thermonuclear warheads and delivery vehicles was already clear 2 years ago. Just now carried out a formality with the announcement of the doctrine. Moreover, the formality is not for oneself but for others.

    It is worth understanding, the essence of the doctrine is simple - you will climb to us, get on the head and you will not interfere, we will live in peace and tranquility
  17. TIR
    TIR 16 September 2022 20: 32
    +1
    If they have an analogue of Zenith, then they can strike anywhere in the world. All the same, Zenith puts satellites into circular orbits. So it’s quite possible to send nuclear blocks anywhere
  18. futurohunter
    futurohunter 19 September 2022 11: 48
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    Affar, an agent nicknamed "Moss soon", as usual, wrote a colorful and extremely superficial article about a growing nuclear power, which, with rather modest opportunities, was able to enter the nuclear club. Moreover, there is something to tell here.
    Firstly, even from the Japanese, the DPRK inherited a mining and processing plant in Hinnam, where the Japanese nuclear program was implemented during World War II, and some historians even believe that a Japanese atomic bomb was created in Hinnam (and possibly tested). In addition, the DPRK has reserves of uranium and other rare metals, without which you cannot make nuclear weapons.
    Soviet technology also played a significant role in creating the missile potential. R-17 Elbrus missiles, called SCUDs in the West, have been supplied to many countries, including the DPRK. The DPRK modernized them, increasing the range to 300 km (albeit at the expense of accuracy), and began to sell them, including to Iraq. It was North Korean-made Scuds that fell on American bases and Israel during Desert Storm. Therefore, the first generation of North Korean missiles was the development of the R-17, up to the Teipodong long-range missile (up to 5000 km). And it was these missiles that were supposed to be delivered to Iran, and from Iran they would cover the whole of Europe. And when the Americans began to install a missile defense system in Europe, the pretext for this was protection from Iranian missiles. By the way, during the missile and nuclear programs, the DPRK actively cooperated with Iran and Pakistan, exchanging technologies. And North Korean missiles have been delivered to Iran, Pakistan and Syria. Yes, Kwason missiles were used in the Syrian civil war! But the second-generation missiles, precisely those that are now feared, were developed by Yuzhmash specialists.
    But how serious is the threat posed by North Korean missiles? If we talk about ICBMs, then, theoretically, they can cover the territory of the United States, at least throw tests have been carried out. But how technologically advanced these missiles are to fulfill their task (will they fly? Will they hit? Will they explode?) - the big question is. Not to mention the fact that the American missile defense system will cope with single missiles. Another problem is the long deployment time of Korean missiles. All missiles are liquid propellant and reportedly take 2 hours to prepare for launch. Obviously, with a massive air aggression against the DPRK, the missile infrastructure will be destroyed during this time. The outdated air defense of the DPRK will not be able to repel the attack. Even single nuclear strikes against South Korea and Japan, and the American fleet and troops, will not save her from defeat.
    And now the most important thing. How much does anyone need this DPRK and its "undemocratic" regime? If you think about it, this is the same elusive Joe that no one has yet caught, because no one needs him. Please note that after the next hype about the "hard loaf" of the DPRK begins, the country bargains for itself certain goodies. And then again - silence. Well, Trump flexed his muscles, however, playing himself in the red. For, the DPRK is a fairly local country that does not influence either the world or even local political and economic processes, which only South Korea is afraid of. And then, recently there has been a tendency towards reconciliation of the two Koreas and even cooperation. But this may not please the weakening world hegemon
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  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 October 2022 10: 28
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    Quote: TIR
    some historians even believe that the Japanese atomic bomb was created in Heungnam (and possibly tested).

    Tales of the Japanese forest. In Hinam fed produces natural uranium (at best) for instrument dials. In addition, not a single Korean engineer was beaten there.
    Quote: futurohunter
    R-17 Elbrus missiles, called SCUDs in the West, have been supplied to many countries, including the DPRK.

    Unfortunately, R-17s were not intentionally delivered to the DPRK, although they wanted to buy them. R-17 North Korea bought from Egypt. This says a lot about the attitude of the USSR towards the DPRK. China did not deliver any missiles to them either.
    Quote: futurohunter
    up to the Teipodong long-range missile (up to 5000 km).

    Taepodong space carrier. It did not hit such a combat missile.
    Quote: futurohunter
    By the way, during the missile and nuclear programs, the DPRK actively cooperated with Iran and Pakistan, exchanging technologies.

    Not beat the exchange of technology. Iran and Pakistan did not have such technology to exchange. North Korea has provided missile technology to both Iran and Pakistan.
    Quote: futurohunter
    But the second-generation missiles, precisely those that are now feared, were developed by Yuzhmash specialists.

    For their independent child, the specialists did not develop anything, but worked for the DPRK? Don't make people laugh. Every janitor from Yuzhmash was followed by the CIA, the FSB, the Mossad, the Chinese, the Europeans, and the Ukrainians themselves, if he even thought of going to the DPRK. They could and are paying a lot more money to each than the DPRK.
    Quote: futurohunter
    Not to mention the fact that the American missile defense system will cope with single missiles.

    Hwaseong-15 warhead has at least 1-1,5 tons to targets in the USA. This is in addition to warheads and means of overcoming air defense. At the parade in October 2020, 5 such rockets passed through the square. In addition, the US missile defense base in Alaska is within the radius of other Hwaseong-14 missiles, which are much larger. Other missile defense systems in South Korea within the radius of large MLRS and drones. The Ages cruisers should stand on the very coast of the DPRK to intercept missiles in the active sector. So everything is not so rosy for the American missile defense system with its 50% success in tests.
    Quote: futurohunter
    Another problem is the long deployment time of Korean missiles. All missiles are liquid propellant and reportedly take 2 hours to prepare for launch.

    This is the difference between Korean liquid-fuel ICBMs from Soviet and Chinese. Korean ones are loaded into a shelter in a horizontal position. Their preparation for launch takes a minute and like solid rockets.
    Quote: futurohunter
    The outdated air defense of the DPRK will not be able to repel the attack. Even single nuclear strikes against South Korea and Japan, and the American fleet and troops, will not save her from defeat.

    No air defense will reflect the blow of either side. The difference is that the DPRK is a very difficult target to hit. It has only 8-10 thousand large underground structures 100 or more meters deep, connected to several thousand kilometers of tunnels. There they have a supply of everything necessary for a 2-3 year war. They are practically invulnerable in conventional warfare and quite difficult to be vulnerable in nuclear warfare. At the same time, the US and South Korea are ideal targets for a nuclear attack. Only the threat of such an attack will begin mass self-evacuation and flight of the population, the collapse of their state and society.
    On the battlefield, nuclear weapons will disable the modern means of reconnaissance and communications, and the offensive of a huge land people's army cannot be stopped by 2-3 times the smaller army of the South Caucasus protectorate.
  21. sagitovich
    sagitovich 5 November 2022 07: 38
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    In my opinion, the idea of ​​​​Juche is not what it is now in Korea. There rather ... our developed socialism. 70s of the last century. I'm wrong?
  22. Nick2591
    Nick2591 18 November 2022 17: 49
    +1
    It is necessary to be friends and cooperate with the DPRK, and not join the anti-Korean sanctions of the Anglo-Saxons. The only question is, will the Koreans agree to this? Judging by the way we betrayed Cuba, Vietnam, Yugoslavia and other old friends, hardly. By the way, we betrayed the same thing to Ukraine when we appointed the gas worker Chernomyrdin and the pharmacist Zurabov as ambassadors there. The Americans, not sparing money at the same time, plowed around the clock. So who is like a cardboard fool here?