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The generation of "tenths": ... still goes Kalashnikov assault rifle

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"Here are some parts you drag from the factory -
how do you start at home to collect
the Kalashnikov assault rifle goes anyway. ”

Bearded Soviet anecdote.


The generation of "tenths": ... still goes Kalashnikov assault rifle


Before starting a patriot-hysterical grumbling about the fallen mores of modern youth, I want to draw your attention to one and a half years ago the plot of NTV.

Then, at the dawn of an absurd "de-Stalinization", high school students in a Moscow school were offered to write an essay about Stalin. The results turned out to be shocking for reporters and aunt-teachers — for everything, a veteran of perestroika. The younger generation turned out to be completely “not in the line” - and stated its opinion on Comrade. Stalin and his era in more than a positive way. In general, the confused intelligentsia was left to rattle something helpless about gadgets and holidays in Turkey.

And now important. Listen carefully to the arguments of the debating parties, so to speak - and you will see that they speak fundamentally different languages. Well, that is, in general, "your mine do not understand." And even more important: on human language they say the schoolchildren. Those who have already been deliberately rushed to write off in the “lost generation” - on the grounds that they are “not wearing the right dress”, “are not listening to the right thing”, are packed with mobile phones and tusk “VKontakte”.

So here. It is these “spiritless” who formulate their opinions on a given topic. essentially. They very sparingly mention personally c. Dzhugashvili I.S. and his craving for devouring babies or brilliant creation of miracles. But in support of his positive assessment of his activities lead accomplishments countries - construction and discoveries, Victory and space (you will be surprised - these guys may be confused in dates, but Gagarin is intuitively and accurately attributed to that era).

A voice-over in response is trying to say something about “democracy” and “standard of living” (hopelessly rolling down to iPhones and iPads). The teacher also leads a killer, in her opinion, counter-argument: in those days you could not go on vacation to Turkey for the holidays. And complains to the camera that, they say, it’s not enough that we still have the truth about the horrors of the bloody way ... that is, the Stalinist regime.

The kids all this crap politely listen, do not understand a damn - and again for their own: factories, battles, dreams ...

Fathers and children dispersed. Each in his own way: some with “freedoms” and “Turkey”, others with admiration for the accomplishments of their ancestors and their dream to outdo them.

Where does that come from?

It would be extremely irresponsible to unfold any meaningful generalizations from one plot. After all, for each randomly peeped example you can find another - no less randomly peeped, but opposite in content. But it is possible to put forward some assumptions. Moreover, the observations - even though I repeat, are not systematized, but they are not isolated.

First of all, I propose to draw attention to the obvious fact - so obvious that, as usual, "deeply hidden" in the most prominent place. We have somehow suddenly grown up a whole generation of people who did not find not only the Soviet era, but also the first post-Soviet. They were born after the disaster, and on 90 they had their happy childhood - which, by definition, is happy because it is childhood. Now this youth is just “senior school” or “early wrestling”.

It is completely natural to notice that this youth grew just in the years of the notorious “Putin's stabilization”. This implies the assumption (again - without claiming to generalize) about a somewhat different attitude to the “freedoms” and attributes of “welfare” than the older ones.

For seniors, these are achievements, the conquest of democracy and the gifts of the invisible hand of the market. Older to their wheelbarrows, Internet, Turkey, etc. - as they say, Dorval after the Soviet deficits and poverty 90's.

For the young, all this is the natural and inconspicuous details of the surrounding everyday landscape. IPhone is a convenient (and yes yes - prestigious) means of communication, not a value. A car is a vehicle, not a value. Turkey and even Paris itself is a line in the flight schedule, not a value. Hundreds of TV channels and millions of sites - the flow of information and entertainment, not value.

And that which is not valuable is not a pity to exchange for something more valuable.

For example, on ... What?

The trick is that specially trained adults in this youth did not bring up any other values ​​besides the above mentioned ones. And in order to have all these values, a standard set of primitive imperatives is prescribed: strive for personal success and well-being, nasri on your neighbor, do not be cattle and do not let yourself dry out.

Did not stick.

Why? Yes, at least, for example, because of the rationality to which the children were diligently taught. Well, they taught: to strain on a fig for the sake of what is already there? Irrational.

Let's return to the composition. Where from before the great generation of winners, where do dreams come from? From where St. George ribbons и military songs on Victory Day? Why is it not corroded by “Bastards”? Why did the single “We are from the future”, “Brest Fortress” and “Match” trample down numerous “Burnt by the Sun”?

But let's assume that children are also brought up in the family - in the primary, so to speak, cell of society. And here we will be buried no longer in assumptions, but in the stubborn statistics that minorities are persistently trying to replace a lie from the "Archipelago": In each the family has great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers who took Berlin, built the Dnieper hydroelectric power station, built cities, stormed the cosmos, raised bread; and historically "offended" - on the strength of one and a half percent; those who did not forgive their country of offense are altogether negligible.

Well, where from with such statistics and other objective introductory information come from the “generation of victims”?

Youth is prone to dreams - this is normal.

The youth dreams about what he does not have - this is also normal.

Our youth naturally yearns for great accomplishments - worthy of the country in which it grew up.

And this is normal - because these are children of a terminally great country. With such historical consciousness, with such a gene code in which you grind anything - anyway, for a thousand years now, you’ve been getting a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

These are our children. The best in the world, of course.

PS All of the above does not mean that our best children in the world will manage an unsystematic education "according to Fursenko." On the contrary, it is our best children in the world who dictate an order for a meaningful state cultural policy, for meaningful human development. Notice - they are available.
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  1. Septugian
    Septugian 20 October 2012 15: 17
    -161
    By accident, not those children, is he a friend who was thrown out with his parents to Siberia, or who were left orphans when their parents were sent to camps and prisons?
    1. baskoy
      baskoy 20 October 2012 15: 36
      +35
      It was possible to blame this comment, but there is no desire to get your hands dirty.
      1. Septugian
        Septugian 20 October 2012 15: 42
        -74
        Minus, I won’t feel worse from this!
        1. vovan1949
          vovan1949 20 October 2012 16: 26
          +101
          And I with great pleasure minus. I’m tired of reading such comments from people who do not know the historical truth and were brought up on Solzhenitsyn (a person offended by Soviet power) and the films of Barin Mikhalkov. People like the Septugian believe only Channel 1 and others. The media bought by the government.
          I myself am the son of the enemies of the people, I was born in 1949 and lived in the Magadan region and 99% of the land surrounded me. My mother and father, and later my stepfather, were repressed.
          It would not be desirable to admit it, but they were repressed for the CASE.
          My father hacked with an ax either the school principal or the head teacher - he got 10 years. Mother and girlfriend stole potatoes on a collective farm field and received 2 years each.
          I, like any person, love my parents, but I can’t say that they are innocently affected by the Stalinist regime. Otherwise, it must be recognized that murder and theft are normal acts. And if some scoundrel kills my children or grandchildren (pah, pah, pah) and condemns him, I, like the Septugian, should consider him, that scoundrel, innocently injured.
          Summary: the overwhelming majority of the repressed in the 20s and 40s sat for work, although they do not want to admit it. I would venture to incur the wrath of some visitors to the site, but I think that repressions against the enemies of the people, in the full sense of these words, were insufficient. Otherwise, during the war there would not have been so many traitors, policemen, elders, etc.
          1. hypnosis
            hypnosis 20 October 2012 17: 15
            -121
            Your father is just a killer, a felon and got 10 years right

            My grandfather got 10 years for a joke about Stalin

            did your mother get 2 years for stealing potatoes? And do you think this is a fair and adequate sentence?

            You are a "worthy" son of your parents, with a slave soul, with a neck that is cold without a yoke and a back that is bored with a whip


            Damn Stalin, damned commies!
            1. raider
              raider 20 October 2012 18: 01
              +38
              Damn the fucking shit! Ruined the country, plundered and pissed off everything that people fought for! If you, Bandera, think you're free, you're a complete moron with brains clogged with western shit!
              1. Piligrim
                Piligrim 20 October 2012 21: 00
                -51
                And you can clarify what was with your advice, personally! , and what did you suddenly lose in the collapse of such a valuable and dear to you?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 14
                  +36
                  I was born in a city built by my ancestors, as a result of the collapse of a friend turned into an occupier, you just have to
                2. Bashkaus
                  Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 15
                  +106
                  I will answer you a question.
                  At the councils, I was an October boy, who had a long way to go before the cherished ticket of a communist.
                  I lived in a great country, it was a union of many nations. I knew that I owned 1/6 of the land, I knew that I could travel freely
                  from Finnish cold rocks to a fiery calchid,
                  From the shocked, he crept up to the walls of the motionless China.
                  I knew that my country is respected half the world and strive to be like her.
                  I also knew that the other half of the world hates my country and really wants to destroy it, but it cannot, because my country is very strong and even the most powerful enemies are afraid of it.
                  And then suddenly, unexpectedly from the pope, I suddenly found out that Moscow is no longer the capital of the union of Soviet socialist states. Arriving at school, in the office of geography, I suddenly saw a big map, but for some reason a black line of the other border, which was much smaller, was drawn in the inside of the USSR border, which was much smaller, and Russia was written by hand instead of the USSR.
                  Then there was a liberal fever, the lieutenant colonel for some reason stopped receiving salaries and we had nothing to live for, instead of money he brought a box of canned goods once a month, which they gave out as dry as that, to at least somehow soak.
                  Under the USSR, my father-in-law was a pilot, after the collapse of the USSR from lack of money in a remote province, he fed his children (my wife) with pigeons that he caught on the street, there was nothing to eat!
                  And I’ll tell you so, I’ll personally skid the tank’s caterpillars into the ground for as long as it doesn’t stall at the very capitol, located on the other side of the globe.
                  1. str73
                    str73 21 October 2012 09: 50
                    +17
                    Cool answer to the democrats! Especially about the tank tracks !!!
                  2. Pit
                    Pit 21 October 2012 14: 32
                    +13
                    Well said. I just forgot that everything that we considered ours (forests, fields) for some reason, too, was not ours.
                  3. neri73-r
                    neri73-r 21 October 2012 22: 16
                    +4
                    I will help!!!!!
                  4. alexdol
                    alexdol 22 October 2012 21: 22
                    +1
                    Bashkaus (1) RU ".. all your filthy liberal democracy, I personally will skid the goose of a tank .."
                    Thank you, I fully share your views!
                  5. Konrad
                    Konrad 24 October 2012 18: 09
                    -2
                    Quote: Bashkaus
                    And then suddenly, unexpectedly from the pope, I suddenly found out that Moscow is no longer the capital of the union of Soviet socialist states.

                    USSR - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, not STATES! You don’t even know how the country in which you lived was called!
                    1. Sreben
                      Sreben 27 October 2012 11: 08
                      0
                      The republic is a form of government! belay
                3. d.gksueyjd
                  d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 00: 13
                  +20
                  Quote: Pilgrim
                  what did you have with the advice, personally!

                  I HAD MOTHERLANDS AND PRIDE FOR HER; now it’s only a regret that I have to live the way the gentlemen want. A SERVANT WAS NOT AND WILL NOT BE! am
                  1. edge
                    edge 21 October 2012 07: 35
                    +1
                    I was not a servant, I did not go in lackeys, and there will be no masters over me
                4. Cap-3 USSR
                  Cap-3 USSR 21 October 2012 01: 54
                  +18
                  People like you, accustomed to measuring only materially, will never understand what we have lost.
                  1. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 21 October 2012 23: 02
                    -6
                    and under socialism, what did you measure your salary with - letters of honor or rubles?
                    1. Nikaviz
                      Nikaviz 22 October 2012 02: 22
                      +3
                      My salary was ... from 1975 to 1987, from 830 to 1200 rubles per month on the railway .... bread cost 18-24 kopecks. (And the bread was real ..)
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 22 October 2012 03: 59
                        0
                        Quote: NIKAVIZ
                        My salary was ... from 1975 to 1987, from 830 to 1200 rubles per month on the railway.

                        Sorry, but who did you work with?
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 October 2012 04: 04
                        0
                        One can only speculate. At that time, they didn’t pay money just like that, all the more so.
                      3. dimitriy
                        dimitriy 22 October 2012 11: 14
                        +1
                        My father worked as a foreman on a collective farm and had a salary of 500-600 rubles, though not often. And "just like that", of course, they did not pay.
                    2. predator.2
                      predator.2 25 October 2012 10: 30
                      +1
                      I'm a 15 year old kid, from 1983-84. in the summer he earned 220-250 rubles a month.
                      1. Cthulhu
                        Cthulhu 25 October 2012 12: 07
                        +2
                        ++++. Unforgettable student years. construction teams, guitar, potatoes and watermelons ... And what do students now have, gentlemen liberals? Besides drugs, beer, disco, porn and social networks and ethnic hatred?
                5. Pula
                  Pula 21 October 2012 08: 17
                  +28
                  Without a father, they lived on their mother’s salary and did not starve. Mom went with us two to Adler not every year, but enough. This is about the material. Have you ever seen how neighbors from two houses (porches opposite) on Easter or Victory Day took out tables to the courtyard, covered them with tablecloths (rather than newspapers), drank vodka, talked, laughed, cried, remembered, sang folk and modern (60-70x), danced to the accordion (and hopak, and the lady, and the waltz). Memory is a cruel thing - someone remembers a fly in the ointment, while someone remembers the good and the best ...
                  .
                6. Averias
                  Averias 21 October 2012 09: 50
                  +16
                  Yes, at least this: Neighborhood mutual assistance, trust (the same keys under the rug), visiting (not to eat for free), goals of the idea (albeit utopian) that are not there right now and are carefully corroding this, cohesion. A trip to any republic where you are greeted as a dear guest (I am silent about the Baltic states, although it wasn’t all bad. Cheap tickets for a plane, 100% employment and therefore a salary. Education is one of the best (diplomas of those times are still on they are highly regarded in the West.) I think that's enough. In the appendage, I lived with my grandmother and managed to go to the sea every year (and by plane), I don’t talk about the pioneer camps. And most importantly, I’m confident in the future.
                  1. alexander hjcnjd
                    alexander hjcnjd 23 October 2012 19: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: Averias
                    the goals of the idea (albeit utopian) which are not there now and are carefully etching it, cohesion. A trip to any republic where you are met as a dear guest
                    it’s wonderful 80 years of this utopia and then they started killing each other with something.
                7. Rinat-106
                  Rinat-106 21 October 2012 10: 04
                  +12
                  And you can clarify what was with your advice, personally! , and what did you suddenly lose in the collapse of such a valuable and dear to you?

                  I can - I had MY COUNTRY - a country which had honor and conscience, a country where it was possible to approach a stranger and he would help.
                8. Armata
                  Armata 21 October 2012 15: 23
                  +6
                  Quote: Pilgrim

                  And you can clarify what was with your advice, personally!
                  I can tell you. He studied, was treated, went to the section, studied at MAN for free (parents worked at the factory as workers). Sent for free to DOSAAF (by the way, the plant paid a salary when I was at DOSAAF to study). He served and entered the UPI for FREE. He graduated and all this time they did not fire me from the factory, and my experience continued. Now I’m not complaining about what I acquired under the USSR and I think as a son at the institute to teach (FOR ALL BLAUD WHO WHO IS AFTER REFORM, the minobr is sitting.) Still there are questions? I do not like to minus, but you deserve it.
                9. kostyan77708
                  kostyan77708 22 October 2012 15: 37
                  +1
                  Earlier in the 80s, during the turbulent development of the north of the Tyumen region (oil, gas) (Dad told), men flew to Tyumen with beer on cans with canisters (back and forth in the morning and evening), a ticket cost 20-30 rubles. and therefore the salary level was appropriate. Try to fly like this for a beer this hour
              2. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 24
                -37
                This is what you wrote me in bandera? You do not know who I am or where I live, 3.14ball!
              3. Konrad
                Konrad 20 October 2012 21: 50
                -51
                Quote: raider

                Damn oh shit

                If it were not for the "shitokrats", you would have been sitting there gagging now!
              4. Septugian
                Septugian 20 October 2012 22: 04
                -54
                And what frightens you in freedom? If you, excuse me, scoops are used to going everywhere everywhere and on orders without our own thoughts, then we can and want to think ourselves! And yet, the commies roamed the country, it’s not known what they were doing, although it’s known that they robbed and dragged that others of a rank higher did not have time!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 18
                  +12
                  what do you mean by walking ?!
                  I then had my own thoughts now, but about robbing and dragging, I’ll tell you a simple thing if, during the union, what bureaucratic thread was made out of another similar structure, but now you need to try how to find the council
                2. Bashkaus
                  Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 30
                  +23
                  But you Democrats have their own thoughts around, and most importantly, everyone sincerely believes that they are right. Schizophrenia is certainly a disaster, but when a patient with schizophrenia is allowed to express his opinion without restrictions, this is a tragedy.
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 23 October 2012 18: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Bashkaus

                    But you Democrats have their own thoughts around

                    It’s wonderful when a person has his own thoughts in his head, not slogans!
                    1. skullcap
                      skullcap 24 October 2012 14: 12
                      +2
                      To consider democratic slogans as your own thoughts ...
                      Original !!!
                      1. Konrad
                        Konrad 25 October 2012 06: 32
                        0
                        Quote: kosopuz

                        Count democratic slogans as your own thoughts.

                        I repeat for Kosopuzov - I live my own mind!
                3. arkady149
                  arkady149 20 October 2012 22: 43
                  +9
                  My dear, what you proudly call your thoughts is a surrogate product. Try to read books, do not write "pedigree" in it, to put it mildly, not quite accurately, and virgins do not only believe in reason, but also with fervor of neophytes defend such absurd garbage that Novodvorskaya "nervously smokes".
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 26 October 2012 19: 44
                    0
                    Quote: arkady149
                    р

                    arkady149,
                    Quote: arkady149
                    , what you proudly call your thoughts is a surrogate product. no need for "pedigree"

                    Your verbiage about my thoughts, I'm not interested. But what is "pedivikia"? Is this something from communist newspeak?
                4. d.gksueyjd
                  d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 00: 20
                  +13
                  Read "Quiet Don", what G. Melekhov said about the Sov. authorities - now this can be safely said about "democracy" in Russia!
                  "Democracy is the power of money, chosen for money, for money."
                  1. sleepy
                    sleepy 21 October 2012 03: 29
                    +4
                    Quote: d.gksueyjd
                    "Read" Quiet Don "what G. Melekhov said about Soviet power - now it can be safely said about" democracy "in Russia!"
                    .

                    "- The world is ultimately simple. There are masters, there are slaves. There are not many masters, there are not many slaves. It has always been so - with the pharaohs, sultans, kings. So it will be in the future. This is how God has established.
                    And no matter what cataclysms occur in society from time to time, everything will return to its eternal circle.
                    And our struggle therefore, including my modest efforts, is historically regular and fair.
                    Having said this, Lakhnovsky stopped, surprised at his own words. What philosophical depths he got! And, believing in the truth and correctness of his reasoning, suddenly feeling the need for such reasoning, he continued, pacing around the little room:
                    - A regularity is a regularity. It comes inevitably ... How many all kinds of so-called popular uprisings and riots were in the thousand-year history of Russia? Well, let's say how is it?
                    Bolotnikov, Razin, Pugachev ... Or nine hundred and fifth year ?! And how did it end? The instigators were eventually put in cages, their heads were chopped off in public, they were hanged, they were shot. And life went into the eternal rut ...
                    And in the West, there, abroad, how many revolutions were there that seem to have won ?!
                    But now what is the picture? Everything remains as before.
                    And the revolution of the seventeenth year is waiting for the same end. They fail to protect her, because there is nothing.
                    This crowd, following the continuous calls of Lenin, wants to build some kind of new state.
                    It will not succeed, they will not be able to build it.
                    Only highly educated people can manage any state.
                    Well, in the end, such people will find themselves at all the main, key posts ... even if the newly created state. But it will be our people. Now, after the death of their leader, this Lenin, such an opportunity opens up. And there is a man in Russia, a true leader and leader, highly erudite, seasoned in political battles, a man of noble thoughts and bold actions ...
                    - Who? Who?! - exclaimed Polina Sviridova, eating the loyal eyes of Lakhnovsky.
                    "Trotsky Lev Davydovich," Lakhnovsky wanted to say, but did not say, he resisted.
                    "Why would she know that?" he thought.
                    - And if this person becomes the head of this newly created state and, naturally, places his people, his faithful assistants everywhere, then what?
                    “Then, to the sound of the same slogans and calls ... to the howling of an ultra-revolutionary phrase ... all the so-called conquests of the seventeenth year will be buried slowly!”
                    -Russia will quietly embark on the bourgeois-democratic tracks.
                    Well, there you have to see what to do with this democracy. "

                    Ivanov Anatoly Stepanovich / Eternal Call (Volume 2) - Reading (p. 29)
                    http://www.modernlib.ru/books/ivanov_anatoliy_stepanovich/vechniy_zov_tom_2/read


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                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 21 October 2012 03: 41
                      0
                      Quote: d.gksueyjd
                      "Read" Quiet Don "what G. Melekhov said about Soviet power - now it can be safely said about" democracy "in Russia!" ...


                      “Arriving in Moscow, he again began to work in Trotsky’s apparatus, in the position of, as they called her, an organizer courier. Officially, he was listed as some kind of consultant, in fact, he constantly traveled around the country, studying position in the local party, Soviet organizations, looked closely at the cadres.Fulfilling the special instructions of Trotsky himself, he acted very carefully: he managed to get at least one person, ideologically close, to a party committee, to a Soviet or trade union body, to a newspaper or magazine, and that is good The money, no matter how much it was spent on a business trip, was already justified. "Especially since the money is state," Lakhnovsky grinned to himself.
                      "We will corrode the party from the inside, we must fulfill our role of a cancerous tumor. An organism affected by cancer is doomed to death," Lev Davydovich Trotsky liked to repeat, as Lakhnovsky said. Lakhnovsky himself never heard such words from him, and he rarely saw them, in passing. But he fully and completely agreed with these words, considered them wise, saw in them a whole program of struggle against Bolshevism, which inevitably was to lead to victory. Closely observing the activities of Trotsky himself, he clearly saw that he, not skimping on loud words and slogans, was doing everything in his power to interfere with the "industrialization plan" - pulling the country onto the path of agricultural development. "

                      "New instructions are being developed ... This is a ... strategic plan of our actions, our struggle for a long time. We are still doing little things in general. But the time will come - and we will begin active sabotage in order to quickly destroy, undermine the entire economy, and communist ideology ...
                      Thanks to the activities of people like Lakhnovsky, the Trotskyite underground was organized in most of the largest cities of the country, in many cells of a gigantic state body, including the army. It gradually acted, harmed, was engaged in what brought various good deeds and undertakings to the point of absurdity, to their opposite. "

                      Ivanov Anatoly Stepanovich / Eternal Call (Volume 2) - Reading (p. 29)
                      http://www.modernlib.ru/books/ivanov_anatoliy_stepanovich/vechniy_zov_tom_2/read
                      1. sleepy
                        sleepy 21 October 2012 04: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: d.gksueyjd
                        "Read" Quiet Don "what G. Melekhov said about Soviet power - now it can be safely said about" democracy "in Russia!" ...


                        "We? Who are we?" Lakhnovsky asked. "We are us. You still call us Trotskyists ...
                        “Well, I’m explaining to you ... In this century we cannot win anymore.” The current generation of people in Russia is too fanatical. To frenzy. Wars usually weakened any people, because, in addition to the physical extermination of a significant part of the people, they uprooted its spiritual roots, trampled and destroyed the most basic foundations of its morality. Burning books, destroying historical monuments, setting up stables in museums and temples ... Hitler also pursues the same goal ...
                        But it’s too numerous, perhaps, this damned Soviet people of yours ... Or it’s some special and incomprehensible ... And as a result of the war, it does not weaken, but becomes stronger, its fanaticism and faith in victory do not decrease, and that’s all are increasing. Hitler cannot understand this, and if he understood, he would somehow try to get out of the war. So he is doomed, and his empire, his thousand-year Reich, on the eve of the collapse ...
                        So, we need to act in a different way. Remember, of course, your Lenin once said: we will go the other way. I read somewhere or heard in a movie ... Well, a good phrase. So we will go another way. We will tear out these spiritual roots of Bolshevism, vulgarize and destroy the main foundations of popular morality. In this way we will shake generation after generation, weaken this Leninist fanaticism. We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will always make the main bet on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it! ..
                        - Yes, corrupt! Corrupt! We will make of them cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans! ..
                        What you call fanaticism ... and in other words - patriotism for one’s land, pride in one’s people, one’s past and present, one’s love and respect for one another ’people are drowning in their pride, their devotion and patriotism, in faith and love. This explains all the victories at the front ... all things in the rear. Soldiers, as if mad, go into battle, not thinking about death! In factories, in factories, people stand at machine tools twenty hours a day! Both women stand and children! In the village people live on potatoes, on nettles - everything, up to the last kilogram of meat, to the last liter of milk, to the last grain, is given to the front. Everyone, even the most decrepit, helpless old people and old women, crawled out into the field now, pulling weeds on the crops. That's how they were brought up! ..
                        ... The war will end - everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have, with what we have ... all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the consciousness of people is capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values!
                        - We will find our like-minded people ... our allies and assistants in Russia itself!
                        Together, we will bring down all your historical authority of your philosophers, scientists, writers, artists - all the spiritual and moral idols that the people used to be proud of, to the primitive, as he taught how Trotsky knew how to do it. We will interpret the entire history of Russia, the history of the people as spiritless, as a kingdom of continuous obscurantism and reaction.
                        Gradually, step by step, we will erase the historical memory of all people.
                        And with a people deprived of such a memory, you can do anything.
                        A people that has ceased to be proud of the past, has forgotten the past, will not understand the present either.
                        He will become indifferent to everything, dumb and eventually turn into a herd of cattle.
                        What is required! What is required! .. "

                        Ivanov Anatoly Stepanovich / Eternal Call (Volume 2) - Reading (p. 35)
                        http://www.modernlib.ru/books/ivanov_anatoliy_stepanovich/vechniy_zov_tom_2/read

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                      2. d.gksueyjd
                        d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 11: 28
                        0
                        Excellent quote, everything is very intelligible and clear. Describes modern Russia. good
                5. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 21 October 2012 07: 27
                  +3
                  Zadolbal you Septugan all your stupid comments. Thoughts of a 12-year-old boy. I wonder how many books you read in your life?
                6. edge
                  edge 21 October 2012 07: 39
                  +3
                  Well, your shit dragging no less, look around you ........... even if your personal shit is painted in rainbow colors, it does not change its properties .............. .... fu.
                7. survivor
                  survivor 21 October 2012 15: 38
                  +1
                  I was a child (about 15 years old). Having read books, I wrote the program of a political organization. An alternative to the Komsomol. someone sent my writings to the council. So what? laughed, threatened with a finger and all .... who went in formation? Although, building and it is more productive ... we forget that it is easier to beat with an edge and an old man ...
                8. Sandov
                  Sandov 22 October 2012 21: 47
                  0
                  Septugian,
                  Freedom doesn’t scare us, it scares us that all shit has come out of all the cracks and people are teaching life. The people slurped your ebn democracy, does not want this gosdepovskogo gift. We need to build our lives and not look amers mouth.
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 26 October 2012 19: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Sandov
                    The people slurped your ebn democracy, does not want this gosdepovskogo gift.

                    People do not need State Department gifts!
                    The people need Sovdep gifts! Hooray comrades!
            2. Alexei
              Alexei 20 October 2012 18: 04
              +34
              Quote: hypnose

              You are a "worthy" son of your parents, with a slave soul, with a neck that is cold without a yoke and a back that is bored with a whip

              I would personally give you 10 years for such a comment.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 36
                +11
                but not today’s, otherwise it’s going to feed him for another 10 years
              2. woland05
                woland05 20 October 2012 20: 27
                +14
                For such a comment in the face it is necessary to give ....
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 20 October 2012 21: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: hypnose
                  "... your mother got 2 years for stealing potatoes? And do you think this is a fair and adequate sentence?"


                  A little about our time.
                  A witness in Sochi found an iPhone and, without remorse, used it for a couple of weeks, inserting his SIM card. The mother of the boy who lost the iPhone wrote a theft and the police, after calculating the iPhone, called this citizen and he was asked to voluntarily bring the iPhone.
                  This citizen brought an iPhone to where he was asked to come.
                  Now is not Stalin's time, but democracy, but try to guess what happened next.
                  Who does not want to guess, I give a link to the article.
                  http://www.mk.ru/social/article/2012/06/26/718802-yavka-s-mobilnyim.html#start=1
                  70

                  One official organized a one-day company, where he transferred budget money.
                  Then the company closed, the money disappeared.
                  Now is not Stalin's time, but democracy, but try to guess what happened next.
                  I will give the link to those who wish, upon request.
              3. Lesorub
                Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 25
                0
                come to me, I’ll give you a file, a shovel, a wheelbarrow and an 8 (instead of a 12) hour working day with 2 days off (together - nothing), THEN and come on .... I’ll feed ...Do not blame !
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 28 October 2012 02: 16
                  0
                  Stalin mocked the people ...
                2. sleepy
                  sleepy 28 October 2012 02: 20
                  +1
                  During socialism, a financial system was created in which there was no inflationary rise in food prices.
              4. Bashkaus
                Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 18
                +3
                I don’t know about 10 years, but I would have broken a pill)))
              5. skullcap
                skullcap 24 October 2012 14: 43
                +2
                Quote: hypnose
                You are a "worthy" son of your parents, with a slave soul, with a neck that is cold without a yoke and a back that is bored with a whip
                -------------------------------------------------- ------------
                Do you sincerely consider yourself free?
                At the time, I.V. Goethe wrote:
                "No slavery is more hopeless in the world,
                than the slavery of those slaves
                who thinks himself
                free from the shackles. "
                No matter how offensive it is, this is about you. I am sure that people like you will never admit that they were wrong. But this is not necessary - official recognition. Just think about the fate of your children. Understand: Democracy is a way of breeding stupid to make it easier to manage them.
                During the war years my parents lived in the territory occupied by the fascists. After the victory of the democrats in our country, both of them stated that the democrats are worse than the fascists.
                I lived only under Soviet rule and Democrats. From personal experience I can say: under the Soviet regime, I felt like a man, under the Democrats I began to feel like a slave to criminals who had appropriated the right to print money to themselves without limit and who were trying to put a yoke on me and drive me with a whip. But I will never accept this. Unlike the fooled, like you.
                1. alexander hjcnjd
                  alexander hjcnjd 25 October 2012 12: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: kosopuz
                  From personal experience, I can say: under the Soviet regime, I felt like a man, under the Democrats I began to feel like a slave to criminals who had arrogated to themselves the right to print money indefinitely and who wanted to put a yoke on me and drive me with a whip.
                  They elect the democrats, we have not a democratic system, but an official-oligarchic one. And now the same communists rule that they were in power during the union. Try to think for yourself. What is democracy, and whether it was at all.
            3. Vadivak
              Vadivak 20 October 2012 18: 28
              +10
              Quote: hypnose
              with a slavish little soul, with a neck and back that is getting stiff without yoke, missing a whip


              But the Bolshevik slogan, however, was still true under the tsar.
            4. Klibanophoros
              Klibanophoros 20 October 2012 18: 40
              +9
              Have you ever seen your father's "anecdote" case?
              1. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 33
                -6
                Grandfather! Read carefully
                1. Klibanophoros
                  Klibanophoros 21 October 2012 14: 49
                  0
                  Grandfather, I'm sorry, but this does not change the essence. Have you seen his criminal case? Everything should be painted there: how, for what, where and how much.
            5. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 20 October 2012 18: 47
              +34
              My father was accepted into the party in Stalingrad. He fought all four years. During his life, he did not steal a single pencil. He was a real COMMUNIST. I'm proud of my father. At home I keep a worn crust with the almost invisible letters "VKP (b).
              1. Fox
                Fox 20 October 2012 20: 27
                +13
                my grandfather also joined the Party in 1943 ... I keep documents ...
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 20 October 2012 21: 21
                  +7
                  Wmtata: Klibanophoros
                  "Have you ever seen your father's" funny "case?"
                  .

                  There was a time when the press published a lot of interviews with those who got acquainted with the case against their repressed relative.
                  Amazed by a large number of monotonous discoveries, such as:
                  "My neighbor on the playground (my mother's colleague, my father's friend ...) wrote a false denunciation on my relative, and I greeted the informer and respected as a youngster."
                  So much for the repression, though this is no longer covered in the press.

                  http://predok.moy.su/load/5-1-0-5
                  http://forum.ixbt.com/post.cgi?id=print:15:62106

                  Denunciations were still in England ("The Prince and the Pauper" - denunciation of the witch)
                  and in enlightened France (denunciation of Dantes in the book by Alexandre Dumas "The Count of Monte Cristo")
                  And they burned witches in enlightened Europe, especially not understanding and not counting.
                  Even during the time of the pharaohs, priests existed in Egypt, such an elite caste with special moves. During EKHNATON, the priests revealed themselves openly, destroying, at the slightest suspicion (or denunciation) of the worshipers of Aton.
                  1. Bashkaus
                    Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 26
                    0
                    This is true, it was. Above us lived the daughter of an iminite general, who was also shot, but my father had a classmate friend at the academy, and so the father of this classmate himself told how he passed sentences and to whom exactly, mentioning including this general. Naturally, he did not know that my father was next to the daughter of one of those shot by him. True, he also told that their situation was sad, they were obliged to shoot, otherwise he would be in their place.
                  2. Per se.
                    Per se. 20 October 2012 23: 08
                    +17
                    Quote: sleepy
                    Denunciations were still in England ("The Prince and the Pauper" - denunciation of the witch)
                    In the USA there is no Stalin and NKVD, but knocking on neighbors is welcomed and encouraged by the state, as in Europe. For us, the informer is a shameful anomaly from the time of war communism, for them an informant to the state, is the modern norm of a taxpayer and a law-abiding citizen. That is all democratic morality.
              2. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 26
                -16
                And and we should kiss Comrade Stalin's navel for the fact that your father was a decent person? I do not see the logic!
                1. arkady149
                  arkady149 20 October 2012 23: 00
                  +11
                  To see her - you need to know what it is. Have you come to the site of patriotic citizens with the aim of "trolling"? Stalin in my eyes, the leader of the country who did much more for her previous and subsequent leaders. Like Stalin, only a person of no smaller scale can leave a mark on history, and if there is no person, a person in the sense? So they "follow" in History by changing names and moving arrows.
                2. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 21 October 2012 07: 40
                  0
                  And who makes you kiss his navel?
                3. skullcap
                  skullcap 24 October 2012 14: 51
                  +4
                  hypnose (1) 20 October 2012
                  And and we should kiss Comrade Stalin's navel for the fact that your father was a decent person? I do not see the logic!
                  -------------------------------------------------- ------
                  We must kiss Comrade Stalin at the navel for living.
                  For the fact that our fathers and grandfathers did not fly ashes into the pipe of the crematorium, built by the German Social Democrats on the plan of the world democratic backstage.
            6. Nick
              Nick 20 October 2012 19: 04
              +38
              Quote: hypnose
              Damn Stalin, damned commies!

              Damn Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich and the liberals who destroyed the great country!
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 20 October 2012 19: 49
                +12
                Quote: Nick (1)
                "Cursed be Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich and the liberals who destroyed the great country!"

                Curse also to those who continue to destroy the Great Country.

                PS And about the Stalinist times on St. Petersburg sites all in two different positions:
                Some write that Stalin shot / killed many people in the country.
                Others write that Stalin didn’t shoot much, but he still had to hang in public.
                Few write that Stalin nationalized financial structures and industry,
                since the NEP implied the private ownership of banks and fixed assets.
              2. Bashkaus
                Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 27
                +9
                Damn democracy - a satanic wanderer !. It is necessary to chop the root itself, and not the branches, the branches will grow back (((
            7. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 34
              +16
              Quote: hypnose
              howling mother got 2 years for stealing potatoes? And do you think this is a fair and adequate sentence?

              more than, judging by what is happening now and how the "people" behave, had it not been for these notorious "three ears of wheat", the country would have collapsed before 41

              Quote: hypnose
              Damn Stalin, damned commies
              only that person with whose name they will go into battle has the right to say, only representatives of that party into which they will go on their deaths
              1. Piligrim
                Piligrim 20 October 2012 21: 05
                -8
                And then there were options? Under whose party and with whose name to die ???
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 23
                  +9
                  Are you a fool or fooling around?
                  a man goes to death how can he be forced to join the party against his will, the threat of death? !!!!
                  moreover, you can name at least one head of state at the funeral of whom the whole country would sob
                  1. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 21 October 2012 00: 10
                    +2
                    Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 21 October 2012 17: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Lesorub

                      In Moscow, among the most visited burial places:
                      Mausoleum on Red Square and the grave of V.S. Vysotsky.
                      In St. Petersburg, among the most visited burial places:
                      Chapel of Blessed Xenia and the grave of V. Tsoi.
                      http://periskop.livejournal.com/947626.html

                      And at what place to visit the grave of I.V. Stalin?
                    2. carver
                      carver 22 October 2012 14: 14
                      0
                      our country is a wise guy damn
                  2. Konrad
                    Konrad 21 October 2012 08: 26
                    -14
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    at the funeral of which the whole country would sob

                    There are tears of joy! Did not know? However, not all emotions are available to slaves.
                    1. Raiven
                      Raiven 21 October 2012 10: 33
                      0
                      yes shut up a little child and slog your thoughts to your masters from America. And you can’t, like you above the waist, can’t raise your head
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2012 14: 54
                      0
                      free you are ours
                      1. Konrad
                        Konrad 25 October 2012 20: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        free you are ours

                        Yes, free, but not YOUR!
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 October 2012 15: 36
                        +1
                        free man is a creature dangerous to others
                    3. Sandov
                      Sandov 22 October 2012 21: 58
                      +1
                      Konrad,
                      So you are the slave, the slave of shitty democratic verbiage.
                2. FREGATENKAPITAN
                  FREGATENKAPITAN 21 October 2012 11: 12
                  +5
                  Imagine tomorrow the war .................... so that we sit down. we decide for whom and under whose name to attack?

                  Names have long been known - Rodina, Russia, who prefer the Fatherland ................
                  I understand you have options?
            8. vu-orlov
              vu-orlov 20 October 2012 19: 45
              +12
              You know, I will never believe in it. My grandfather grew up in an orphanage along with Aleksadr Matrosov (who didn’t remember the embrasure with his chest), he still had to look for a greater anti-adviser and when he came his time he died for his homeland, and cried out for Stalin
              1. vovan1949
                vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 01
                +6
                Shortly before his death, A. Matrosov was 19 years old. And already an ardent anti-adviser? Anti-Soviet surrendered, and did not fight for the Soviet Motherland. Anti-Soviet made a seizure of power in 1991. In October 1993, the anti-Soviet fired tanks at the legally elected government, and anti-Soviet still pours mud on the entire period of development of our country from 1917 to 1991. Dulles plan in action.
            9. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 20 October 2012 19: 46
              +14
              Damn fascist shortcomings ..........., let the earth burn under their feet at their gatherings, for they understand that reckoning will come!
              1. Konrad
                Konrad 22 October 2012 06: 26
                0
                Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
                Damn the fascist defilements

                Not so good about her, Herr FREGATENKAPITAN! You already decide which side to be on. And here is your role model - ace submarine Kriegsmarine, also frigattencapitan. Or what kindred?
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 22 October 2012 22: 02
                  0
                  Konrad,
                  A worthy adversary, they fought like hell, they broke the Angles with amers in the ardennes, they asked for help from Vissarionych.
            10. Alexander 1958
              Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 21
              +18
              For hypnose
              .... "Damn Stalin, damn the commies! ... Come on, let's go on - Glory to Ukraine !, and then tell us about the good uncles Konovalets, Bandera, Shukhevich. Tell us how many, how many" good "deeds they did. .., and we will sit and listen, compare what the bad Stalin did and what the good Shukhevych did
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 20 October 2012 21: 33
                +5
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                and we will sit, listen, compare,

                Alexander Petrovich, why be so nervous, let's go with the facts and comments, I’m personally not a fan of the IVS, but I think that comparing him with the Nazi SS Hauptsturmführer Shukhevych awarded Hitler the Iron Cross. inappropriately
                1. Kars
                  Kars 20 October 2012 21: 35
                  +1
                  Vadivak,
                  Clean the LAN folder. I can’t reach it. drinks
              2. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 44
                -5
                This is not addressed, COMRADE! My benderophilia exists only in your brain
              3. Konrad
                Konrad 21 October 2012 08: 28
                -8
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                ... "Damn Stalin, damn commies! ..

                Started well!
            11. Glory
              Glory 20 October 2012 20: 22
              +2
              And you, Banderovets, be damned !!!!!!!!!
            12. The centurion
              The centurion 20 October 2012 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: hypnose
              My grandfather got 10 years for a joke about Stalin

              Tell tales about a joke to children.
              1. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 32
                -9
                Poke in the nearest pub
                1. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 13
                  +4
                  Hypnosis, I am 63 years old, can be seen from the nickname, if you are much older, write your age and I will call you YOU, even if you are a Bendera.
                  1. Raiven
                    Raiven 21 October 2012 10: 35
                    0
                    Yes, this Bandera 11 years old, impudent and dull
              2. Normal
                Normal 20 October 2012 22: 53
                +9
                Quote: Centurion
                Tell tales about a joke to children.

                And my grandmother told me such a fairy tale:
                "And they married me at the age of 15. For a poor man. So I am alive and stayed. And the whole family on the same cart under an escort went to Siberia, to the Lena River. Everyone went there. There were no news. And all their fault was that that the father and two older brothers had oxen and went to salt mining. They earned good money. They didn’t keep the farm laborers. And all the same "rich", "kulaks."
                We, Sergey, did not live at that time. So do not judge strictly. Everything was ....
                1. Nick
                  Nick 20 October 2012 23: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: Normal
                  And all their fault was that their father and two older brothers had oxen and went to salt mining. They made good money. The laborers were not kept. and all one "rich", "fists".

                  How it was we do not know, but the lists of those subject to dispossession were made by the "kombedy" - the same peasants from your village. Yes, there were excesses in the countryside, but Stalin alone cannot be blamed for this ... Read his article "Dizzy with Success ...", you will understand a lot ...
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 20 October 2012 23: 28
                    +6
                    I’ll add to the composition of these jumpers were mainly parasites, and drunks who were given unlimited power .....
                    1. vovan1949
                      vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 17
                      +1
                      "the composition of these kombedi consisted mainly of parasites and drunkards"

                      Facts, documents, evidence dear Alex 241. Otherwise verbiage.
                    2. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 21 October 2012 19: 40
                      +1
                      Read Sholokhov. "Uplifted virgin soil". Maybe something.
                  2. Normal
                    Normal 21 October 2012 00: 06
                    +6
                    Quote: Nick
                    Yes, there were excesses in the countryside, but Stalin alone cannot be blamed for this ... Read his article "Dizzy with Success ...", you will understand a lot ...

                    Was reading. I do not blame Stalin alone, but I do not deny part of his guilt either. In general, the figure of Stalin is so large, significant and ambiguous for our country, that I consider it an impossible task to assess it.
                    And yet what was it was. Great accomplishments, and deadlines for a joke. Industrialization of an agrarian country, universal education and dispossession. My mother, as a child, gathering spikelets at night along the road and afraid of a little boy, the tact for how you could get a deadline, is also not a fairy tale.
                    Everything was ... I wrote about this ...
                  3. Konrad
                    Konrad 23 October 2012 06: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Nick
                    the lists of those subject to dispossession were made by "kombeds" - the same peasants from your village

                    In the "kombedah" there were idlers and drunks, who had only one thing in mind - to take away and divide!
                2. alexng
                  alexng 21 October 2012 03: 09
                  +6
                  My grandfather by that standards seems to be a fist, but he was not repressed. They didn’t touch the question: there was only one answer - there were no well-wishers. So it’s not for us to judge those times, if we can’t even figure it out really and just fool each other’s head.
              3. vovan1949
                vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 09
                +1
                Quote: hypnose "My grandfather got 10 years for an anecdote about Stalin."

                Tell it to your grandmother. 10 years were given not for jokes, but under article 58, for treason. You see, the grandson of a traitor, what is treason to the motherland?
                1. Konrad
                  Konrad 21 October 2012 08: 34
                  -1
                  vovan1949,
                  Quote: vovan1949
                  10 years were given not for jokes, but under article 58, for treason.

                  The anecdote about Stalin was equated with treason. You are now for your "master", ready to bite anyone, and even then ....
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2012 11: 33
                    +1
                    you have the owners, and we have the leaders and commanders
                    1. Konrad
                      Konrad 23 October 2012 06: 45
                      -4
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                      you have the owners, and we have the leaders

                      Are you awake from the Indians?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 23 October 2012 09: 32
                        +1
                        and what is the word leader of Indian origin ?!
                        or just smart say anything you can’t
                      2. Konrad
                        Konrad 23 October 2012 21: 30
                        -2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                        and what is the word leader of Indian origin ?!

                        The leaders were among the Indians and not only. Each tribe had a leader, be it Papuans, North American Indians, African pygmies, or even Neanderthals! Here you have too ...
                2. skullcap
                  skullcap 24 October 2012 15: 07
                  0
                  hypnosis
                  "My grandfather got 10 years for an anecdote about Stalin"

                  ------------------------------------------
                  Thousands of times more often 10 years were given for pronouncing the word "Jew".
                  But about this all the surviving democrats disciplined hold their tongues in the anus
            13. starshina78
              starshina78 20 October 2012 21: 46
              +10
              Are you from Ukraine? If yes, then you are forgiven. Too much, you in Ukraine do not like history, real history, and not written by your writers and publishers. What wrong did Stalin and the communists do to you? Well, let it remain with you. Nobody is going to overpersuade you. But about two years for stealing potatoes, I think it's right. If everyone was stealing potatoes, then there would be those who really needed these potatoes, working in factories in the city. My grandma also got two years. Only for not going to work for three days without a valid reason (I went to the village to change things for food and got stuck there, could not leave). It was in 1942. War! Every pair of hands was needed. True, she did not serve two years, but only six months. And she and I did not consider and do not think that she was not legally repressed. And do not consider everyone who does not blaspheme Stalin as "slave souls".
              1. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 22: 02
                -1
                And where is the right story in such a country?
                About potatoes .. the author of the story about potatoes modestly kept silent, why did his mother steal potatoes? She probably wanted to feed her children, among whom was this one. . I will keep silent
                And your grandmother wanted to feed YOU !!! Save YOU !!! And you think this is right ???

                Yes, a generation of slaves continues to live
                1. edge
                  edge 21 October 2012 07: 55
                  +1
                  hypnose, and you are not far gone, slavishly yapping from afar, take an assault rifle and come to my Motherland there and talk ..............
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 23 October 2012 21: 35
                    0
                    Quote: hert

                    hypnose, and you are not far gone

                    Is he not right? And why should he go to people like you with a gun? You are so wild and aggressive that you’ll overdo each other.
                2. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 42
                  +3
                  Hypnosis: "About potatoes ... the author of the story about potatoes modestly kept silent to us, why did his mother steal potatoes? Probably she wanted to feed her children, among whom was this one.
                  And your grandmother wanted to feed YOU !!! Save YOU !!! And you think that's right ??? "

                  Not properly! A thief should sit in jail. Justifying theft is a vile occupation. My mother (not grandmother) stole potatoes because she wanted to eat, couldn’t you guess, Hypnosis? It was the fall of 1945 (I was born in 1949). And the whole country was malnourished at that time. But not everyone went to theft. Millions, or rather hundreds of millions of people, suffered the hardships and deprivations of that time. I do not blame my mother, no, it is not in my competence. I already wrote that I love her, although she has not been in the world for 28 years.
                  But the fact remains. So, Hypnosis, any crime can be justified.
                  1. Konrad
                    Konrad 23 October 2012 21: 42
                    0
                    Quote: vovan1949
                    Justifying theft is a vile occupation. My mother (not grandmother) stole potatoes because she wanted to eat,

                    I have no doubt that if you were at that time, you would have been tapping on your mother, a student of Stalin!
            14. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 20 October 2012 22: 02
              +1
              Curse pride!
            15. basal
              basal 20 October 2012 22: 03
              +1
              My grandfather got 10 years for a joke about Stalin

              Do not tell the joke? The one for which 10 years was given wassat

              A simple thought never crossed your mind that if they had hung people for jokes of 10 years, would this genre of folk art have long died out? How many people are engaged in robbery on the high road? And sell the homeland inexpensively?
            16. d.gksueyjd
              d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 00: 02
              +3
              Quote: hypnose
              Damn Stalin, damned commies!

              In your opinion, the best friend of children is a traitor and a fascist henchman of the village of Bendera and others, for example, members of the SS "Galicia" then you urgently need to go to "Kashchenko" for treatment
            17. Kaa
              Kaa 21 October 2012 01: 29
              +1
              Quote: hypnose
              My grandfather got 10 years for a joke about Stalin

              "Puski" also ... got a couple ... for jokes ... but - hooliganism. So jokes are different ...
            18. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 07: 19
              +2
              hipnose: @ You are a "worthy" son of your parents, with a slavish soul, a neck that is cold without a yoke and a back that is bored with a whip @
              @Stalin be damned, commies be damned[email protected]

              Yes, my father was a murderer, he and my grandfather were fists and just like you hated the "commies". For which he paid. Your grandfather was given little for the anecdote, he had to shoot, since this is already politics, undermining the existing system. As for the mother, is the sentence adequate? And in our time, when your beloved liberals rule, they give 3 years for a stolen duck, and 5 years for a goose (they wrote about this in the press several years ago). What do you think about that?
              As for the slave ducky, etc. I will not comment, as you know hanging labels, sprinkling with saliva in impotent spite is the destiny of the weak.
              And about Stalin and the commies. hipnose, if you consider yourself an adequate person, then answer honestly, at least to yourself. Would Victory be possible without the "commies"? I think no. The role of the communists in defeating the enemy is invaluable. But you cannot understand it.
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 23 October 2012 18: 13
                -1
                vovan1949 And about Stalin and the commies. hipnose, if you consider yourself an adequate person, then answer honestly, at least to yourself. Would Victory be possible without the "commies"? I think no. The role of the communists in defeating the enemy is invaluable. But you cannot understand it.

                QUESTION ... and would have been World 2 for Russia so HEAVY, if it did not exist in the Stalinist regime ??? STILL in 1918. The Entente defeated Austria-Hungary and Germany and forced them to sign a surrender. THIS was the Stalinists who trained Guderian's tankmen at the Kazan Tank School, and after that, with German pedantry, they used our tactics of flank attacks by tank and mechanized formations in the flanks of the defenders ... .to. many children from the Germans remained in it. And the order "Not a step back!" ??? Rokossovsky later admitted that if it had not been for him, it would have been possible to build a flexible defense with retreats to reserve positions, luring the enemy into ambushes ..... LOSSES would have been at times less! At the Seelow Heights they put 100 !!!! to take by May 000 ... Zhukov told Montgomery or Marshall that at first they let the infantry trample down minefields with their lives under machine-gun fire, then sappers, and only after tanks ...
                So that the old senile Stalinist idiot would shut up! .....
                1. Prophetic
                  Prophetic 25 October 2012 14: 58
                  +1
                  My illiterate close friend. Well, very close ... How did you read this nonsense in "Ogonyok" and did not read anything else? Well, it happens, it happens. .. Difficult childhood, education of grade 3 TsPSh, hard to read ...
                  In the Kazan school, it was not "the Stalinists who taught Guderian's tankmen", but the Germans trained our (well, their own) cadets to be tankers. German teachers, on German tanks for German money. For then we did not have any specialists of our own. And Germany then (1930-33) was a completely decent democratic state. The total number of Russian tankers trained by the Germans was twice the number of German tankers, of which only 3 people were trained in 30 years (before Hitler came to power). And the Germans did it in many countries. So, in the same Finland, over the same years, the Germans trained more than 200 tankers. As soon as Hitler came to power, all such schools in the USSR were closed. The Lipitsky flight room has the same canoe. The Germans taught our people, and not vice versa. Germany, my illiterate friend, introduced universal SECONDARY education in 1871, and in Russia and in 1930 more than 70% of the population were illiterate. To believe that educated Germans in illiterate Russia were taught flying is like believing that Ford engineers went to Guinea-Bissau to train in the automotive industry in the 30s.
                  And there was no close Goering in Lipetsk, respectively, and he could not leave any children there, and Lipetsk did not give orders not to bomb. For one simple reason. After the beer coup Hitler sat down, and Goering fled. And he was condemned in absentia for several years. Therefore, any German officer, when Goering appeared, was obliged to arrest him.
                  The order "Not a step back" was given on the approaches to Stalingrad. If the Germans had cut the Volga, the only oil artery at that time, we would have simply come to everyone and you wouldn’t write your nonsense now. It was this order, largely ripped off from a similar order by Hitler, given by him in the winter retreat from Moscow in 1941, that made it possible to stop the endless retreat and stop the Germans on the very edge of our defeat. And there was not any minefield clearance by the soldiers - it's just a lie. Zhukov never said anything like that. So it's you "moronic ... IDIOT would shut up!"
                  1. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 26 October 2012 20: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Prophetic
                    В lipitic flight

                    to my 3 grades ISCO grow....
                    besides you NOT ATTENTIVELY you read comments, but the meaning of what you read is up to you obviously does not reach ....
                    You can add, in addition, in Volsk the "Tomku" chemical school, which trained personnel and developed chemical. weapons for the Germans ... lol
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 28 October 2012 02: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Lesorub
                      "... in addition to this, the Tomku chemical school in Volsk, which trained personnel and developed chemical weapons for the Germans ..."


                      Stalin did not create any schools. At that time, he did not yet have that power to make decisions individually. And the training grounds were not intended for the Wehrmacht, but for the Reichswehr! And this is a big difference!
                      And just in the year 33, when Stalin began to seize control of all power, he covered all these polygon schools!
                      You can argue on the topic that the agreement in Rapallo fulfilled its task:
                      polygons, schools (chemists, pilots, tankmen) were organized, provided to technology. "
                      But what equipment was provided to the tankmen?
                      What kind of aircraft were provided to pilots.

                      As for the chemists, everything is clear here - the Germans were chemical in the 1st World War, and here the Germans could teach anyone how to create and use chemical weapons.
                2. sleepy
                  sleepy 28 October 2012 02: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Lesorub
                  "Zhukov told Montgomery or Marshall that at first they let the infantry trample down minefields with their lives under machine-gun fire, then sappers, and only after tanks ..."


                  http://maxpark.com/user/1803398468/content/643320
                  "In an attempt to prove that the Soviets fought ineptly in the Second World War and were won by the Americans
                  (in an extremely loyal to Russia version - the people won the war in defiance of Stalin and the military leaders),
                  our liberals resort to the standard gentlemanly set of fakes.
                  One of them is about the fact that in the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War, soldiers were sent to overcome anti-tank minefields, under whose boots mines exploded,
                  and so soldiers paved the way for tanks with their lives.
                  Zhukov allegedly told Eisenhower about this, concluding this to the immortals "The women are still giving birth."

                  It always seemed strange to me - an anti-tank mine and an anti-tank mine that doesn’t explode,
                  when a person or gopher steps on it, so this is not technically feasible.
                  In addition, it is clear that even if Zhukov thought more than he expected that the life of a soldier was worthless,
                  he does not look so idiot to say such an ally, posing as a cannibal
                  (if only because it contradicted the declared humanism of the Soviet people and communist ideology as a whole).

                  Finally, I rummaged through the Internet and found the quote from the Eisenhower memoir:
                  "Eisenhower writes: http://spaces.live.com/editorial/en-us/ren...oupsclosure.htm" Highly illuminating to me was his description of the Russian method of attacking through minefields. The German minefields, covered by defensive fire, were tactical obstacles that caused us many casualties and delays. It was out laborious business to break through them, even though our technicians invented every conceivable kind of mechanical appliance to destroy mines safely. Marshal Zhukov ... "

                  "... Nothing like the cannibalistic" Women still give birth "attributed to Zhukov - from the point of view of minimizing human losses - pure pragmatism.
                  Women do not give birth to ready-shelled soldiers, but babies who will become such at best in 20 years, and then if it is a healthy boy, so if you want to win a total war, you must save manpower, this is the most irreplaceable resource.
                  Naturally, skilled manpower (sapper) in this case is more expensive than a recruit.
                  A seasoned sapper is one who survived several of the recruits who started with him, so it costs several recruits lives to replace him. "

                  http://maxpark.com/user/1803398468/content/643320
                  1. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 28 October 2012 15: 32
                    0
                    Umnichka, take a glove from the shelf! love

                    Only in my comments I omit many details, for example: I do not indicate that pilots were trained for the Reichswehr, who later became instructors and commanders of the Luftwaffe ...
                    The installation of minefields has its own characteristics depending on the terrain, tank hazard areas, engineering structures, natural and artificial barriers. The alternation of the installation of anti-tank and anti-personnel mines ... The infantry was certainly undermined by the mines intended for it, which often covered the approach to anti-tank mines ....
                    As for the statements of Zhukov ... He Lied a lot of things ... rewarded himself with the 4th Star of the Hero, attributed other people's victories, and blamed failures on others ... His commanders and not so cruel butchers were much more talented ...
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 29 October 2012 03: 30
                      +1
                      Only in my comments I omit many details, for example: I do not indicate that pilots were trained for the Reichswehr, who later became instructors and commanders of the Luftwaffe ...

                      On which planes did the Reichswehr prepare pilots?

                      And Zhukov not only sent to minefields ... he was sent under bullets, shells, aerial bombs .... he generally sent to the war, and this is inhumane and undemocratic ... if there wasn’t to drink beer with the Germans and play the accordion ...
                      And he did not hospitably meet poor Germans near Moscow, did not provide warm apartments with at least three stars. And Private Ryan didn't help save, bastard. We must repent for him.
                      Yes, our ancestors are strange - they did not like them under the Germans.
                      But there were so many vacancies of servants and slaves for these superhumans.

                      War unfortunately is a cruel thing. Sometimes it is necessary to send subordinates to the known death in order to lose a company, a battalion to save thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands of lives of other sodates.
                      This is known to all who know military history and what war is.
                      But it’s very easy to talk at a computer in warm, light places where shells do not burst, bullets do not whistle, when the lives of other people do not depend on you.

                      Just from the point of view of simple logic, if a company crawled 300 meters under machine-gun and mortar fire to enemy trenches - it incurred heavy losses, and before the last throw it became clear that the final 50m. mined - here the same infantryman may consider that crawling back is DANGEROUS than MOVING FORWARD.

                      As an analogue of such an example, I can cite the Battle of the Missionary Ridge during the Civil War in the United States,
                      when the northerners took the impregnable positions of the southerners precisely because they suffered the bluest losses on the way to hostile positions, and when retreating from them they could have suffered no less losses.

                      Description of the method of attack through minefields according to Zhukov.
                      The German minefields, covered with defensive fire, were tactical obstacles that resulted in high casualties and delays. Breaking through them always became a laborious task, despite the fact that our specialists each time came up with what mechanical devices were possible for the safe destruction of mines. Marshal Zhukov shared a technique from his own practice, explaining it like this: “There are two types of mines: antipersonnel and anti-tank.
                      When we approach the minefield, our infantry attacks, as if it were not there.
                      We consider the losses from antipersonnel mines to be approximately equal to those that machine guns and artillery would cause us if the Germans decided to defend this sector with large forces of troops, and not with minefields. The attacking infantry does not detonate anti-tank mines, therefore, after breaking through the minefield, it creates a bridgehead, after which sappers come and pave the way for the equipment. "

                      http://www.ww.inoforum.ru/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t6771.html (
                      http://www.hrono.ru/biograf/bio_e/eisenhower.php

                      A completely different story than the generally accepted picture of our Russophobes clearing soldiers' minefields with their bodies. It is clearly written here - anti-tank mines do not explode from the passage of infantry, and losses from conventional mines are not greater than usual when attacked by enemy fire.
                      Mine clearance under enemy fire will cost more losses.
                      After all, the Allies did not find a good solution to the problem - despite all the technical tricks,
                      they suffered heavy losses.
            19. Pula
              Pula 21 October 2012 08: 04
              +1
              And high zhive Rodiansk Ukraine ... Somewhere it sounded ... Mazepa, Bandera ... Times pass, but stereotypes remain.
            20. PSih2097
              PSih2097 21 October 2012 08: 08
              +1
              hypnosis,
              did your mother get 2 years for stealing potatoes? And do you think this is a fair and adequate sentence?

              I don’t know where you got it from ...
              The RSFSR Criminal Code of the 1926 edition (as amended on March 1, 1957) (expired in connection with the adoption of the 1961 Criminal Code)
              162. The secret theft of another's property (theft) entails:

              a) committed without the use of any technical means, for the first time and without collusion with other persons, -

              imprisonment or forced labor for up to three months;

              perfect under the same conditions, but due to need and unemployment, in order to satisfy the minimum needs of his or her family, -

              corrective labor for up to three months;


              b) committed repeatedly, or in relation to property that is obviously necessary for the existence of the victim, -

              imprisonment for up to six months;

              c) committed with the use of technical means or repeatedly, or by prior conspiracy with other persons, and equally, although without the specified conditions, committed at stations, marinas, ships in wagons and hotels, -

              imprisonment for up to one year;

              d) committed by a private person from state and public warehouses, wagons, ships and other storages or in places of public use specified in the previous paragraph, by the use of technical means or by conspiracy with other persons, or repeatedly, as well as committed, even without these conditions by a person having special access to these warehouses or guarding them, or during a fire, flood or other public disaster, -

              imprisonment for up to two years or forced labor for up to one year;

              e) committed from state and public warehouses and storages by a person who had special access to or protected them, by using technical means or repeatedly, or in collusion with other persons, as well as any theft from the same warehouses and storages, with especially large sizes stolen -

              imprisonment for up to five years;

              f) petty theft, regardless of its size, committed at an enterprise or institution - is punishable by imprisonment for a period of one year, if by its nature it does not entail a heavier punishment under the law. [Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR of August 16, 1940 ("News of the Soviets of Workers' Deputies of the USSR" No. 190 of August 17, 1940)].
              ______________
              See the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of January 10, 1955 "On criminal liability for petty embezzlement of state and public property"
          2. anchonsha
            anchonsha 20 October 2012 17: 48
            -19
            Well, here he is ready Pavlik Morozov. He does not feel sorry for his mother, who was sitting at a few potatoes so that vovan1949 would grow up healthy. And so he grew up with an inverted consciousness. And with regard to Stalin, not everything is so simple. Under him, a powerful country was created that won the war. But there were many innocent people who died in the gulag.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 38
              0
              in the Gulag, no one could die, well, if only because it is the DEPARTMENT, that is, the administration
              1. hypnosis
                hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 47
                -3
                You understand what the man was talking about, why juggle?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 26
                  0
                  if we are talking about serious things, we should clearly and clearly speak, or it turns out - we are sitting in Karaganda and writing stories about solovki, I’ll repeat the Gulag this is not a zone this is the administration in Germany there were Nazis and fascists were in Italy
            2. Glory
              Glory 20 October 2012 20: 36
              -5
              Innocent people did not fall into the gulag! lol
            3. Nicola
              Nicola 20 October 2012 21: 21
              +1
              I support! What to scream, be damned? Don’t remember, what you wish, you will return. There was a famine in the village, the grandfather went missing in the early days of the war and for such a feat a family of eight children and my grandmother did not receive any help. enemies of the people. The eldest of the children stuffed pockets with grain, brought home 10 years from the bell, as they say to the bell. Half of the family did not survive the famine. Why did our people have such a fate? Never in our country was man the main wealth of the state. But the representative of the NKVD in the village lived happily and had everything he wanted. The current system is criminal, but the Stalinist system was cannibalistic. For jokes, and just joked about the powers that be, the real time. Now all the affairs of those years have been posted on the Internet, read the real affairs of the NKVD and for what they have imprisoned. Obscurantism on a national scale. My relative, a rural carpenter, was shot and rehabilitated in the fifties. A low bow for the triumph of truth. Well, you think, a carpenter he had a mother and children. Yes, everyone had to be put up against the wall right away, but who needs work? So you are good gentlemen, who says that Stalin won the war and that he is the best friend of children, etc. Imagine yourself and people close to you at the ravine with a gun at the back of the head. And the war was won by soldiers, like my grandfather, and not by defensive squads that shoot in the back, and even less so by a wise leadership — who put millions of ordinary people in the ground who just want to live humanly.
              1. His
                His 27 October 2012 00: 48
                0
                There was ALZHIR - Akmola camp of wives of traitors to the Motherland
            4. sleepy
              sleepy 20 October 2012 21: 24
              +4
              Quote: anchonsha
              "Well, here he is ready Pavlik Morozov. His mother is not sorry for sitting for a few potatoes so that vovan1949 grows healthy. And so he grew up with an inverted mind."


              Pavlik Morozov did not mortgage his father, so much has been written about it that I will not look for a link.
              He was killed as a possible heir to the land.
              Nowadays, they kill for less.
              "... who killed a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with one blow in the street (video)"
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/682714-1/
            5. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 08: 57
              -3
              anchoncha, a little higher I already answered Hypnosis to similar remarks.
              And about Pavlik Morozov, look at Wikipedia (I don’t know how to make links). What do you dislike about him?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2012 11: 03
                +1
                link to a wiki is already proud of how American education
          3. Glory
            Glory 20 October 2012 20: 20
            +3
            My respect to you! My parents and my parents' parents lived, worked, fought, studied under Stalin (workers and peasants). And I heard from them that there were no innocent "victims of" repression ". And the "victims" were people of one particular nationality.
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 29
              -1
              how would it be softer to define your wretched intellect?
          4. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 24
            0
            For vovan 1949
            What you wrote about yourself requires a lot of courage! You have it!
            With uv. Alexander 1958
          5. Piligrim
            Piligrim 20 October 2012 20: 58
            -8
            You are a fool and a fool, sir!
            Admit it first.
            And how many years have your relatives given for stolen potatoes? By the way, how many cars did they steal from him?
            and yes, they sat all at work! -
            Three in the Gulag tell who they planted for what. The first:
            “I was five minutes late for work, and they accused me of sabotage.” Second:
            - And I, on the contrary, came five minutes earlier, and I was accused of espionage.
            Third:
            - And I arrived just in time, and I was accused of undermining the Soviet economy by acquiring watches in a capitalist country.
            1. crazyrom
              20 October 2012 22: 32
              -1
              Quote: Pilgrim
              Three in the Gulag tell who they planted for what. The first:
              “I was five minutes late for work, and they accused me of sabotage.” Second:
              - And I, on the contrary, came five minutes earlier, and I was accused of espionage.
              Third:
              - And I arrived just in time, and I was accused of undermining the Soviet economy by acquiring watches in a capitalist country.


              For such jokes 15 years is not a pity.
            2. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 09: 10
              0
              Pilgrimm:
              "You are a fool and a fool, sir Vovan!
              Admit it first. "

              The answer is: Well, we switched to insults. Nerves must be treated dear, nerves.
              Or do you think that by humiliating someone you exalt yourself? Do not embarrass yourself.
          6. Lesorub
            Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 21
            -9
            it was precisely such cruel repressions, hard labor and torture in the NKVD that pushed people to the side of the invaders, allowing us to hope that their relatives would be avenged for their suffering and, perhaps, those who survived would be freed from inhuman hard labor in the camps!
            1. 11Goor11
              11Goor11 20 October 2012 22: 22
              +3
              Lesorub
              it was precisely such cruel repressions, hard labor and torture in the NKVD that pushed people to the side of the invaders,

              Well, this is definitely nonsense, you are one of those who will argue that: the war was won by criminals who were shot by the NKVDists in the back, and not just won contrary to the incompetent leadership of the cannibals of generals!
              Fuuuh, almost verbatimly quoted the vile cliches with which all sorts of bastards, stuffed us before destroying the USSR.
              It has already been proven that all this is a lie. The blackening of the heroism of our people.
              Judas, not sufferers, became policemen, they became heroes because they defended their relatives and the country, at the cost of their lives
              And then there was one more .... who will lie to my grandfather who died near Moscow.
              That label that you stuck to yourself is very characteristic, isn't it?
              Probably you so wanted to make fun of believers, but the irony is that you only show your own real essence. yes
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 21 October 2012 00: 19
                -5
                One of my grandfathers also defended Moscow, but died in a German camp from starvation, refusing to work, so that his wife with 4 children in Siberia would not be repressed ...
                I do not denigrate anyone, but give the motivation of the people whom the Stalinist regime repressed. Will you deny hundreds of thousands of people who entered the Vlasov’s ROA, the police in the occupied territories? Khatyn was not burned by the Germans, but by local policemen, and is this known to you? The SS divisions were
                all national formations of the occupied territories of the USSR - WHY?
                1. 11Goor11
                  11Goor11 21 October 2012 01: 24
                  +4
                  What do you smoke?
                  What ... motivation for betrayal of the motherland?
                  In any country, any culture, a traitor is a traitor.
                  Probably his own skin was more expensive than the life of his fellow citizens whom he was supposed to surrender to the Nazis?
                  Here are people like you who have such convenient motivation in those days and were repressed.
                2. A. Yaga
                  A. Yaga 21 October 2012 01: 42
                  +4
                  "died of hunger in a German camp, refusing to work,] so that his wife and 4 children would not be repressed in Siberia ..."
                  - How do you know this (about your wife)? Reported via Skype from a German camp?
                  My mother-in-law (15-year-old fool) Voluntarily tried to work in Germany from occupied Ukraine. Returned after the Victory. And no one repressed her or her family members. Although the NKVD went to interrogations as if to work.
                  1. Lesorub
                    Lesorub 21 October 2012 12: 01
                    0
                    I know this, because many fellow villagers served in the same infantry company in the Siberian divisions, from one area, near Rzhev all were captured, the survivors returned and told ...
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 21 October 2012 14: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: Lesorub
                      "One of my grandfathers also defended Moscow, and died in a German camp from hunger, refusing to work so that his wife and 4 children would not be repressed in Siberia ..."
                      "... I know this, because in the Siberian divisions many fellow villagers served in one infantry company, from one region, near Rzhev, everyone was captured, the survivors returned and told ..."
                      .

                      If you survived in a German camp, then did you work for rations?
                      Maybe then they were not captured near Rzhev, but simply "Hyundai Hoh"?
                      But were these workers repressed to Siberia with their wives and children, or did they tell everything?
                3. vovan1949
                  vovan1949 21 October 2012 09: 47
                  +1
                  Lumberjack, please explain how you learned that "One of my grandfathers also defended Moscow, and died in a German camp from hunger, refusing to work"
                  Who told you that? I look forward to hearing.
              2. Lesorub
                Lesorub 21 October 2012 12: 47
                -3
                wink Who now, in your opinion, is serving the current regime in the Russian police, if this political system does not suit you? ...can not answer
            2. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 09: 13
              +2
              "It was precisely such brutal repressions, hard labor and torture in the NKVD that pushed people to the side of the occupiers, allowing them to hope that their sufferings will be avenged, and, perhaps, the surviving relatives and friends will be freed from inhuman hard labor in the camps!"

              Did you come up with this yourself? ... a giant of thought.
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 21 October 2012 13: 14
                -6
                until 1917, many people lived, worked, created the future for their descendants not so that a handful of fanatical scumbags (Jewish revolutionaries), with the support of the German General Staff, destroyed the basis of statehood, depriving hundreds of thousands of people of their property ... the war swept through Russia like devastation. The suppression of civil protest was punishable by death .... The surviving protest social strata of the population were first exiled to sparsely populated areas of the country, then to concentration camps for hard labor. On the maternal side, my grandfathers and grandmother were exiled back in 1928, they did not fight either for whites or for reds ... they were prosperous peasants (farmers), several dozen horses, a couple of dozen hectares of arable land, a herd of cattle, a mill and various agricultural implements .... The last straw of patience for the local committee of the poor and the village council was that the great-grandfather bought a steam thresher "for a tooth" for his first-born grandson, who then died as an infant in a dugout in exile .... How do you think, WHAT for Many exiled peasants were MOTHERLAND, but what was the hated regime that enslaved it? Not one invader, did not scoff at the Russian people in the same way as their own rulers scoffed at him! Therefore, among the "traitors to the Motherland", in addition to outright scoundrels-criminals, there were a lot of people who fought against the Stalinist regime and dreamed of Russia without dictatorship and tyranny ... And they were not enemies of Russia, but were - ardent enemies of the inhuman communist regime that oppressed them Homeland!
          7. raf
            raf 20 October 2012 21: 32
            -5
            vovan1949 read your comment and my hair on my head stood on end! You are almost glad that your mother was given two years for several potatoes! Tin! I have no words what to call you! You are a moral cripple!
            1. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 09: 59
              +4
              Rafu
              Comb if your hair stands on end. Why did you decide that I am "almost happy that your mother was given two years for a few potatoes." Read all my comments, where did I say that? Why are you lying? What joy? And why the insults? If you hit your head in childhood, neither I nor my mother were involved in this. And my mother, like my Motherland, unlike you, I loved, I love and will love.
              Didn’t minus, it’s disgusting to touch.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 21 October 2012 19: 44
                +1
                But I minus
          8. Septugian
            Septugian 20 October 2012 22: 01
            0
            Why is it that when today someone stole something to eat, and it was closed by the victim of the regime and innocently injured, and at that time, the enemy! Or did you like to eat differently then today?
          9. Rinat-106
            Rinat-106 21 October 2012 09: 59
            +1
            "He planted those who had to be hanged" vovan1949 I ask you not to take this personally in the context of "pittsotmillenov not tortured with wine"
          10. DRY
            DRY 21 October 2012 20: 37
            0
            my great-grandfather received the "title" "enemy of the people" for the fact that he voluntarily surrendered the harness and all that he had, and this is all the cattle, about 8 hectares of vineyard, all the wine, after which he was exiled to Siberia from Moldova in a cattle car in October... Despite the fact that this man did not hire anyone, but worked and did everything himself with his sons and daughters. And during the Stalinist repressions, the entire investigation was based on the concept of A.Ya. Vyshinsky about the so-called "relative nature" of investigative and judicial truth, ie, as the investigator, judge and prosecutor believed, it means that it was so (textbook-Theory of State and Law). Therefore, draw conclusions vovan1949 who, how much and for what should have received under such power. And you can also read who Stalin-Koba was in his youth.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 11
          +2
          yes it’s understandable, such as you even get in the face for the cause they don’t understand all one
        3. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 12
          +1
          For
          Septugian
          Is it good? Joke on this topic: A pessimist says, it doesn’t get worse! An optimist objects, it happens, it happens .. So think ...
          Alexander 1958
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 20 October 2012 20: 15
            +8
            Optimists are studying English, pessimists are Chinese, and realists are Kalashnikov’s assault rifles.
        4. Glory
          Glory 20 October 2012 20: 32
          -1
          You feel worse, Comrade SeptugJan, and this is understandable! Comrade Stalin sent unreliable and dangerous people to Siberia and prisons to a country in a state of war.
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 36
            -2
            how would it be milder to define your wretched intelligence?
            1. 11Goor11
              11Goor11 20 October 2012 22: 28
              +1
              Lesorub
              how would it be milder to define your wretched intelligence?

              Was the record stuck?
              This is the second time you are asking yourself, or what?
              So this does not need to be written on the forum. Develop it, what else can you advise.
              1. edge
                edge 21 October 2012 08: 03
                0
                Quote: 11Goor11
                what else can you advise
                ........... crosswords to solve, try to learn how to play chess, if your mind allows.
              2. vovan1949
                vovan1949 21 October 2012 10: 05
                0
                Yes, the lumberjack is again about intelligence. This is a pathology. You are our intellectual.
          2. sleepy
            sleepy 20 October 2012 22: 08
            +5
            Quote: Glory
            "Comrade Stalin sent people unreliable, dangerous for a country at war, to Siberia and prisons."


            And Stalin sent / relocated to Kazakhstan.

            "Deportation as a way to fight the" fifth column "during the Great Patriotic War." Pavel Smirnov.
            http://greatstalin.ru/articlestruth.aspx?xdoc=1dEhlXiRm%2bgB1ebV2tpliw%3d%3d

            After the start of World War II, many Crimean Tatars were drafted into the Red Army. However, their service was short-lived. We quote the memo from the deputy. People's Commissar of State Security of the USSR B.Z. Kobulov and deputy. People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR I.A.Serov in the name of L.P. Beria, dated April 22, 1944:

            "... All those called up to the Red Army numbered 90 thousand people, including 20 thousand Crimean Tatars ...
            20 thousand Crimean Tatars deserted in 1941 from the 51st Army during its retreat from Crimea ... ".
            Thus, the desertion of the Crimean Tatars from the Red Army was almost universal.
            This is also confirmed by data on individual settlements.
            So, in the village of Koush, out of 132 called up in 1941 to the Red Army, 120 people deserted4.
            Then the servitude of the German invaders began.
            http://pagan.ru/lib/books/history/ist2/repress/repres006.php
        5. Konrad
          Konrad 20 October 2012 21: 46
          -8
          Quote: Septugian

          Minus, I won’t feel worse from this.

          Here the company still gathered - the Stalinist falcons, anti-Semites and simply fascists! Now they are bombarded with minuses and will automatically deprive them of the opportunity to express their opinion! A kind of modern version of the 37th year, only then turned to the back of the head.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 29
            +3
            can you give at least one anti-Semitic statement on this branch, well, or fascist ?!
            if not, hope sorry
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 22 October 2012 22: 25
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              -

              Conrad is proud, he does not admit that he is wrong.
            2. Konrad
              Konrad 24 October 2012 18: 16
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

              you can give at least one anti-Semitic statement on this thread

              As long as you want, only they will block me again.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 24 October 2012 18: 55
                +1
                Well, the fact that Trotsky was a Jew. Well, that's true.
                and as for the Zionists, so excuse me, but Zionism really is in many ways very even that
          2. carver
            carver 22 October 2012 14: 54
            0
            Konrad,

            Go to the rambler there, just your group of "patriots" gathered together.
            1. Konrad
              Konrad 24 October 2012 18: 19
              0
              Quote: carver
              Go on rambler

              I, too, could send you, and not only to Rambler, but we have democracy.
        6. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 20 October 2012 23: 53
          +1
          Yes, no worse! hi
        7. Averias
          Averias 21 October 2012 09: 44
          0
          And people like you on the heap ..... you will feel great.
        8. Rinat-106
          Rinat-106 21 October 2012 09: 55
          0
          Hamsters are always in a good mood
        9. Averias
          Averias 21 October 2012 09: 56
          -1
          People like you and in a pile of feces will feel great.
        10. Rink
          Rink 22 October 2012 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: Septugian
          Minus, I won’t feel worse from this!
          That's good!
          Because I "minus" - and I definitely felt better!
      2. YARY
        YARY 20 October 2012 15: 57
        +32
        My grandfathers went through the war. One got into the penal battalion (although he sewed french suits and costumes of the Central Committee)
        and died.
        The one who survived in the 70s said, "There are a lot of lazy people, and the bitches want to smear butter on bread! In the states, the same crap, goofs go to the unemployed, to live on welfare. accepted by their standards! "
        He closed the magazine "America" ​​sighed and finished the thought- "If this is not broken with us, the country n ..... c!"
        The prophet turned out to be.
        ARTICLE PLUS in a cube
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 22 October 2012 22: 28
          +1
          YARY,
          That is the essence of the Russian man, always to remain a MAN.
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 20 October 2012 21: 06
        -5
        And I will not disdain! Minus.
      4. Pula
        Pula 21 October 2012 07: 57
        -1
        Then I'm with you ...
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 20 October 2012 15: 37
      +23
      Now there are many more drug addicts than children repressed for the whole time of the USSR. It’s infinitely fair when children are left without parents, but you shouldn’t blame everything on Stalin, I don’t think that he acted harshly out of a sense of revenge or self-interest or any vicious feeling for his fellow citizens. Hard times dictated hard decisions. Churchill put a lot of effort into the war going east, but no one in the west accuses him of the death of millions of children of the USSR. who died in the war, although it is! The propaganda of the west of our blackening has passed in action!
      1. Septugian
        Septugian 20 October 2012 15: 44
        -31
        Well, why not? Now, just a little, Putin is a reptile and is to blame for everything, and Putin’s power in his hands is several times less than that of Stalin, so there’s no need to make a holy righteous person from Stalin!
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich 20 October 2012 16: 26
          +6
          See your kind were traitors.
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 20 October 2012 20: 09
            0
            What are your names, and I through my classmates in the Office will find who you were in the family, and who are you ....
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 20: 19
              +8
              I am touched by people hiding behind nicknames and demanding a name from an opponent. I am Vasilenko Vladimir Ivanovich 72 years of birth Mr. Alma-Ata can find out everything about me and my relatives
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 40
                -5
                understand, Vladimir Ivanovich
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 29
                  +4
                  what exactly do you understand?
                  By the way, you never introduced yourself!
                  1. vovan1949
                    vovan1949 21 October 2012 10: 21
                    0
                    And he will not introduce himself, wimp. Fucking and threatening under a nickname is easier.
                    1. Lesorub
                      Lesorub 23 October 2012 19: 39
                      -3
                      with your permission I will remain INCOGNITO - "cowardly bastard" - "enemy of the people" and protch. ..... it is more convenient for us - "enemies" lol
            2. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 10: 19
              +3
              To the lumberjack: "Give your name and surname and I, through my classmates in the Office, will find WHO in your family, and who you are ...."
              Answer scoundrel: I, Evtyushkin Vladimir Andreevich, 28.10.1949/XNUMX/XNUMX year of birth. I live in Astana. Married, two children, three grandchildren.
              Run to the Office to your classmates. Faster Faster.
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 20 October 2012 16: 27
          +18
          Quote: Septugian
          do not make Stalin a holy righteous man!

          and no one here does. But there is no need to make a cannibal out of him and hang all the dogs.
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 20 October 2012 18: 30
          +3
          Quote: Septugian
          Putin’s power is much less than Stalin’s


          What are you motivating? Or so own inventions
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 20 October 2012 18: 40
            +7
            Not a single president now has such power as that of a police sergeant ....
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 20 October 2012 22: 26
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              Not a single president now has the power of a police sergeant
              .

              But what about the power of officials, deputies?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 29
                0
                Therefore, police sergeants with handcuffs come for them.
          2. sleepy
            sleepy 20 October 2012 22: 23
            +8
            Quote: Septugian
            "... Putin's power in his hands is several times less than that of Stalin


            The way the State Duma voted to amend the Constitution in terms of extending the presidential term is indicative.
            The way Madame V. Matvienko was dragged to the post of Chairman of the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation is indicative.
            And Mrs. V. Matvienko is busy about her son, which is completely natural.
        4. vovan1949
          vovan1949 21 October 2012 10: 12
          +4
          Septugian: "Putin's power in his hands is several times less than that of Stalin"

          It does not take much intelligence to compare what Stalin and Putin did for their country over a period of 12 years.
        5. arkady149
          arkady149 22 October 2012 04: 41
          +1
          No matter how they condemn the personality of I.V. Stalin, not one, even the most orthodox liberal, can say about any foreign accounts, the desire for luxury and sybarism. Everything was extremely modest, functional and aimed at maximum efficiency, this person lived for the country.
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 20 October 2012 15: 40
      +9
      NOT EXPECTED!!! IS IT SO? Surely so !!! RUSSIAN GENE THAN DO NOT OVERCOME ANYTHING!
    4. Melchakov
      Melchakov 20 October 2012 15: 54
      +8
      Quote: Septugian
      Our youth naturally yearns for great accomplishments - worthy of the country in which it grew up.

      And this is normal - because they are children of an incurably great country. With such a historical consciousness, with such a genocode, in which you do not grind anything, the Kalashnikov assault rifle has been produced for a thousand years.

      I will write it down in my quote box.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 20 October 2012 16: 29
        +8
        Quote: Melchakov
        And this is normal - because these are children of a terminally great country.

        Beautifully said. Article plus.
    5. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 20 October 2012 16: 24
      +15
      Numerous NVMU and IEDs for children left orphans as a result of the war were created precisely at the direction of Stalin. And these schools gave an excellent chance for children to grow up as worthy citizens of our country.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 20 October 2012 22: 32
        +1
        Quote: Andrew-001
        "Numerous NVMU and SVU, for children who were left orphans as a result of the war, were created precisely at the direction of Stalin. And these schools gave an excellent chance for children to grow up worthy citizens of our country."
        .

        Now there is a sale of orphans in the USA and other countries.
        Business is a business.
    6. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 18: 18
      -19
      And my mother at birth was already - "an enemy of the people", and after that she received a certificate of rehabilitation, as a victim of political repression .... and my grandmother, in exile in Siberia, only girls survived at birth, and three boys died .. .in huts, dugouts ... and simply because it was impossible for them to survive ...
      and dick me your moronic cons - imbeciles!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 50
        +2
        so you tell me the reason for the "repression"?
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 20: 22
          +1
          They were PEASANTS. They were repressed MORE in 1928 ... They were one of the most prosperous peasants in Altai, they were exiled to the Narym Territory 700 km to the north, like Vysotsky's - "And two beautiful security guards took me from Siberia to Siberia." If later in 37-39. - sent to rot in the Kolyma .... or - shot! And also - lucky ... Neighbor - kulak Molkin during the war led the collective farm of kulaks. The harvests on his collective farm, which was located in the permafrost region, were record-breaking in Western Siberia, the Hero of Socialist Labor was not given just because he was an exiled "enemy of the people" ... they were given the Order of Lenin for valiant labor in the rear ... my grandfather's fist only got a medal ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 31
            +7
            cool represen- the Order of Lenin
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 24 October 2012 16: 50
              +1
              this is the Order of Lenin for you - COOL! and at first they took EVERYTHING from him in the 30th year, exiled in the winter with his family to the naked taiga ... after, as a slave plowed "for his uncle" for workdays And, only in the 50s they hung a trinket on his chest .... gratitude , blah! And then - not a STAR, but an order ... KNOW THE PLACE - a bastard ...
          2. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 20 October 2012 22: 42
            +1
            Yes, my friend you completely lied
            Harvests on his collective farm, which was in the permafrost region

            Sheep skin does not press?
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 24 October 2012 17: 02
              +1


              more interested in the world .... 65% of Russia - permafrost soils
        2. hypnosis
          hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 28
          -1
          As you thought, espionage on Japanese and at the same time German intelligence + participation in the Trotsky-Bukharin block!

          World has gone mad
      2. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 20 October 2012 19: 52
        +3
        For an hour, not for mass crimes during the Second World War, did the family end up in Siberia?
        Maybe dad served as a policeman and burned the village? .................
        Many do not talk about this ............... only about the bloody NKVD and Stalin ...
        1. Fox
          Fox 20 October 2012 20: 33
          +3
          he gave shells to the soldiers ... and they praised, saying: zer buzz, Waldemar!
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 21 October 2012 14: 42
            +1
            Quote: Fox
            "... he handed the shells to the soldiers ... and they praised them, saying: seer gud, Valdemar


            + 100500!

            “A few minutes ago, he and Gvozdev, breathing heavily, fell onto this fire room.
            Near the guns, only one German was bustling about in smoke and soot, the entire crew had already been killed.
            The German recoiled by the gun, grabbed simultaneously parabellum.
            But Kaftanov and Gvozdev hurriedly threw their machine guns to the ground and raised their hands.
            - We give up! - Gvozdev shouted and repeated this, to the surprise of Kaftanov, in German:
            - Wir ergeben uns! Wirgehoren zu einer Strafkomande. Wir sind Gefangene.
            [We give up! We are from the free company. Prisoners.]
            “Oh, zer gut,” the German said incredulously, nodding at the shell box.
            -Dann helft mir. Reicht mir die Munition. [Then help me. Feed the shells.]
            Gvozdev rushed to carry out the order, and Kaftanov Makar suddenly swayed and, clutching his left shoulder, began to settle, groaning:
            - Ah, z-infection ...
            - Who? What? - Gvozdev rushed to him.
            - I don’t know ... Rushed over his shoulder here. Did you specifically learn these German words?
            - Munition! [Shells!] - the German barked at that moment, and Gvozdev stepped to the box. "

            Russian prose / Ivanov Anatoly Stepanovich / Eternal call (Volume 2) - Reading (p. 23)
            http://www.modernlib.ru/books/ivanov_anatoliy_stepanovich/vechniy_zov_tom_2/read

            _23 /
        2. Konrad
          Konrad 22 October 2012 06: 36
          0
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Maybe dad served as a policeman and burned the village?

          And your dad served in Kriegsmarine, drowned peaceful steamboats?
        3. Lesorub
          Lesorub 26 October 2012 20: 29
          0
          read comments carefully ...
      3. Fox
        Fox 20 October 2012 20: 31
        0
        learn the language_IMBITSIL ...
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 20: 58
          -3
          see the dictionary ... + 1 PYSHY CHYRYz - "Y"
        2. arkady149
          arkady149 22 October 2012 04: 51
          0
          You so boldly diagnose opponents that the thought involuntarily creeps in: "I accidentally went to" Yarbukh für psychoanalyst und psychopathologic ""? Friends, let's not slip into personal insults, leave the sky for the birds, that is, diagnoses for doctors.
      4. Glory
        Glory 20 October 2012 20: 41
        -3
        And you gave birth to a ready-made enemy. Genes ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 21 October 2012 00: 02
          +2
          Quote: Lesorub
          "And my mother at birth was already -" an enemy of the people ", and after - received a certificate of rehabilitation, as a victim of political repression ....".


          I sympathize, being stigmatized at birth is beyond comprehension.
          And who put this stigma at birth, specifically a surname - maybe something personal, settled accounts? There was a time when there were numerous interviews in the press that examined the case with a repressed relative.
          Amazed by a large number of monotonous discoveries, such as:
          "My neighbor (my mother's colleague, my father's friend ...) wrote a false denunciation against my relative, and I greeted the informer and respected as a youngster."
          It may be worth making a request, because the archives are declassified.
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 24 October 2012 17: 18
            +1
            Grandmother with grandfather and great-grandfathers was sent in 1928. mother was born in 1939 already in the family of the enemy of the people, an automatic case was brought up against her, which was reported when issuing a certificate of political rehabilitation in 1994. Those Komedovtsev and village councilors have long been gone, property and land will not be returned ... because. The RESTITUTION Law has not been adopted in Russia. Meaning wanted?
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 28 October 2012 02: 43
              0
              Quote: Lesorub
              "The meaning of the search?"


              For memory. For posterity. For the family archive. For the story.
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 28 October 2012 03: 16
                +1
                Lesorub

                October 26 at 22:25 on NTV showed
                "Bread for Stalin. Stories of the dispossessed."
                There, a senior official with an inspection visited the camps of wealthy peasants who were exiled to Siberia in the 30s.
                Seen in what conditions the immigrants lived so shocked him
                (in other words, they didn’t live, but died, like the Red Army in the Polish camps),
                that he did not dare to report on his trip, (wonder why?).
                He wrote a letter to his friend, the letter came to Stalin (we are talking about the 30s),
                after which he was arrested and shot in 1937.
                (And why weren’t they shot right away? Or why were they shot later?).

                On the same day, October 26 at 22:25 on channel 365 showed
                in the cycle "Personality in History" about Nikolai Bukharin.
                His activities were associated with the ComIntern, where he regularly traveled to report from the mid-20s on the forced reduction in the population of Russia by transferring power in villages and villages to the so-called "committees of the poor" and expelling the most working people into an unsuitable habitat for their early death.
                Thus, together with the gangster raids of the surplus detachments, an atmosphere was created conducive to the famine of the 30s, when there was no one to work in the field.
                This series of a series about Nikolai Bukharin ended with the words that the entire archive of his activities at the ComIntern was exported to the United States and is still inaccessible to researchers.
                Nikolai Bukharin was credited with the role of the liaison link of the ComIntern
                (and now they are called "globalists" or "The Committee of 300") and those
                who carried out the task of depopulation of Central Russia.
                Hitler became the next representative of the ComIntern.
                Who brought Hitler to power?
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 28 October 2012 03: 19
                  0
                  "Who brought Hitler to power?"

                  Who financed the party of the Nazi Party Hitler, he brought ...
                  "In March 1923, Harvard University graduate Ernst (Putzi) Hanfstaengl, an American by his mother whose educated and wealthy family owned an art publishing house in Munich, loaned the party a thousand dollars to pay off the mortgage on the Felkischer Beobachter." In his memoir "The Unheard of Witness" Hanfstaengl writes that he was first sent to Hitler by an American acquaintance, Captain Truman Smith, who at that time was the Assistant Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Berlin.) ... Captain Smith compiled a detailed report, which on November 25, 1922 was sent by the embassy to Washington DC Considering the time of writing the report, it can be considered somewhat unique.
                  “The most active political force in Bavaria at the present time,” wrote Smith, “is the National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany. Since it is less a political party than a popular movement, it should be regarded as the Bavarian counterpart of Italian fascism ... In recent months, the party has managed to acquire political influence that clearly does not correspond to its numerical composition ...
                  From the very beginning, Adolf Hitler played a dominant role in this movement. There is no doubt that this personality is one of the most important factors contributing to the success of the party ... His ability to influence the broad masses is simply amazing. In a private conversation, Hitler showed himself to be convinced and consistent, and in moments of frankness he made a very deep impression on a neutral listener with his fanaticism. "- Author's note}.
                  During the period of inflation, this was a huge sum translated into stamps .. Both the party and its newspaper received enormous financial support. However, the Hanfstaengl family's friendly disposition went beyond providing financial assistance. This was one of the first wealthy families in Munich to open the doors of his house to a boisterous young politician. Putzi became a friend of Hitler and eventually, with the assistance of the Fuhrer, headed the department of foreign information of the Nazi party.

                  THE BIRTH OF A NAZI PARTY
                  http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/HistoryBook/Rise_Fall/Party.htm
    7. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 10
      +5
      and you have the right to speak on behalf of those children or their parents? !!!!
      but I have, my mother was born in exile and I didn’t hear a bad word from her or from my granny addressed to him, so shut up pretend to be a rag and don’t shine

      I apologize that on "YOU" but you have already gotten so bad that you just want a brick in the face, so that your brains would splash
      1. Anti
        Anti 20 October 2012 19: 44
        +1
        BRICK THIS IS NOT HUMAN, BETTER A GOODLY FROZEN PARASENK IN THE FOREHONT OR ON THE FOREBORE laughing
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 20: 20
          +2
          I washed the brick into the case, but I won’t be able to eat a pig after such
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 03
            -2
            and you’re not mine, but hide it under your skull’s box .... then you will feel the qualitative intellectual difference of your emptiness from my slightly stuck flesh .... laughing
          2. arkady149
            arkady149 22 October 2012 04: 54
            0
            I understand, not kosher.
        2. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 01
          -3
          you freeze all your brothers! lol Piglet
          1. Anti
            Anti 20 October 2012 21: 34
            +1
            not better, the brick may not stand lol
      2. Lesorub
        Lesorub 20 October 2012 20: 38
        -3
        I have, and I say ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 21 October 2012 00: 12
          +1
          Quote: Lesorub
          "... and for my grandmother, in exile in Siberia, only girls survived at birth, and three boys died ... in huts, dugouts ... and simply because it was impossible for them to survive ..."


          Now it’s also hard to survive ...
          "In Volkhov's maternity hospital, a woman died during childbirth, along with newborn twins. Relatives blame the doctors."
          http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/868636-0/

          "St. Petersburg children's hospitals lack 47% of nurses and 75% of nurses. Instead of four nannies, there is only one ..."
          http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1257659/

          "The market economy killed a child. The only medicine that saves people in almost 100 percent of such cases in civilized countries is not purchased in Russia for economic reasons: it is unprofitable."
          http://www.fontanka.ru/2012/01/19/023/

          "About emergency services. With emotions and obscenities. It was written with only one purpose - to tell about existing problems ...
          We are not ready to work on an emergency. This is the main thing.
          There are only two ways out:
          1. Silently wait until an emergency occurs on a scale of the “Lame Horse” or Krymsk. Then the whole country will cry and shout: "Where was the Medicine of Disasters?"
          2. Try to draw attention to the problems, solve them and be ready to work in an emergency. "
          http://nicshe2003.livejournal.com/691214.html
    8. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 20 October 2012 20: 17
      -1
      Afraid of a dead bear. Oh, afraid ...
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 20 October 2012 20: 24
      +4
      I will not minus, but I want to ask: “And how many were those who were sent to camps, separated from their children, as a percentage of the entire population?” It will turn out to be negligible within the country. Most of them were the intelligentsia or the military. As everyone knows, it is the intelligentsia that is always against. Against the tsar (Lenin from the nobility, Decembrists), against the Bolsheviks too (Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, etc.), the USSR was destroyed by intellectuals (Sakharov, others like him), now the intelligentsia is again in opposition. Although among the intelligentsia not all are rebels. The workers suffered little or no repression. Stalin is not a fool, but a far-seeing and prudent person. It is better to crush the enemy in advance than to fight with him for a long time. This is a response to your comment. In addition, you can add one. Stalin was an idol for the whole people. His words were taken into action. Stalin said it was necessary - the people did it. By what way and by what sacrifices - this is secondary. With the name of Stalin, soldiers who were going to attack died. It's true . (my father fought and said that they went on the attack shouting: “For the Motherland, for Stalin!” Some of Stalin's funeral showed love for him, people choked, died, but wanted to see the Leader off. Now we do not have enough of such a Leader. to deal with the embezzlers, all the rag-tag sitting in Moscow, with those who squander Russia. Now some have begun to compare Putin with Stalin, linking this with the repression of the opposition. This comparison is incorrect. Putin to Stalin, like walking to the Moon. He cannot figure it out with corrupt officials under their noses, but what can we say about something else. The fight against the opposition is not a fight for Russia, but the fear of losing access to the feeding trough. Therefore, all efforts are thrown into this. and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Everything is thrown at preserving access to the feeding trough. The people are told that the opposition allegedly encroaches on the sovereignty of Russia, wants to destroy the constitutional order, cause riots and armed clashes. I sew this mud with white thread. As well as fiddling with Pussies.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 20 October 2012 20: 50
        +3
        Quote: starshina78
        now the opposition is again in the intelligentsia.

        (lat. intelligentia - understanding, cognitive power, knowledge, from intelligens - smart, understanding, knowing, thinking), the public stratum of people who are professionally engaged in mental, mainly complex creative work, development and dissemination of culture. The term "intelligentsia" was coined by the Russian writer P.D. Boborykin (1860s) and moved from Russian to other languages. http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/russian_history/10248/
        Say, but in your opinion. among the current "oppositionists" there are really many "people who are professionally engaged in the mental, mainly difficult creative work development and dissemination culture? And then I am tormented by vague doubts about this, to be an intellectual and to be called them - these, you see, are two big differences ....
        1. arkady149
          arkady149 22 October 2012 05: 08
          +2
          I share that now a lot of people who graduated from the former vocational school, now a university and engaged in "effective sales", imagine themselves to be at least an intellectual elite, and the ability to use 1C Accounting gives them the moral right to consider themselves a "creative class".
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 October 2012 21: 16
        +2
        Quote: starshina78
        Putin to Stalin, like walking to the moon. he cannot deal with corrupt officials under his nose


        In my opinion, on the contrary, I have long figured it out, here is the Minister of Defense for example (since February 2007).
      3. hypnosis
        hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 29
        -3
        Here recently another Kim was buried, so even the bears say wept ..
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 21 October 2012 16: 19
          -1
          so what bears!? FISH - beluga BELLING! ! ! laughing
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 21 October 2012 17: 19
            0
            Quote: Lesorub

            In Moscow, among the most visited burial places:
            Mausoleum on Red Square and the grave of V.S. Vysotsky.
            In St. Petersburg, among the most visited burial places:
            Chapel of Blessed Xenia and the grave of V. Tsoi.
            http://periskop.livejournal.com/947626.html

            And at what place to visit the grave of I.V. Stalin?
      4. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 00: 23
        +4
        Quote: starshina78
        "And how many were those who were sent to camps, separated from their children, as a percentage of the entire population ..."


        "On July 2, 1937, the Politburo allowed all the first secretaries of the Central Committee of the national communist parties, regional committees, and regional committees to create" troikas "and carry out repressions." Large-scale repressions, and even directed against tens and hundreds of thousands of peasants, were beneficial first secretaries of regional and regional committees, "as they were threatened with in alternative elections “The worst thing is the loss of one of the two posts, the Soviet one, which guaranteed the possession of unlimited power” [18,19] ...
        Mass repressions were also needed by the NKVD, otherwise its overgrown apparatus after the completion of political processes lost its meaning. ...
        So the party bureaucracy and the NKVD in the fight against Stalin organized the mass repressions of 1937 [19], the responsibility for which the democrats and democrats, and now the person who calls himself President Medvedev, is now blamed on Stalin. Why? Yes, because Stalin did not give the party bureaucracy victory without a fight, but brought down the flywheel of repression it had created on it ... "
        http://greatstalin.ru/articlestruth.aspx?xdoc=2fQyOuoOHh0a6Ecf1EfvQg%3d%3d
    10. Septugian
      Septugian 20 October 2012 21: 09
      -6
      Club of Stalin fans, who knew about that time according to stories commies like Zyuganov! Oh well, frolic!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 34
        0
        how old are you?
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 02: 09
        0
        Quote: Septugian
        "Club of Stalin's fans who know about that time from the stories of commies like Zyuganov"
        .

        Zyuganov is not a communist, but a democrat like Chernomyrdin, only less power.
    11. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 21: 15
      -5
      my peonyErsky squad in the village of exiled fists, in which their children consisted, bore the name of Pavlik Morozov ... What is cynicism ???
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 22: 35
        +3
        and you were in it, so who is worse than you or Pavlik Morozov, or then the point was not to join the ranks, and now as brave as a jackal near the dead Leo
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 21 October 2012 16: 27
          -1
          I express my opinion on the Stalinist regime, which left painful memories in my family, what has “courage” to do with it? I consider Gorbachev and Yeltsin to be inveterate bastards, but Urka of Steel is the executioner of (not) his people!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 23 October 2012 09: 44
            0
            but at the same time you were a pioneer, you are an old man
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 24 October 2012 17: 24
              -2
              I was a child, unlike you .... and you immediatelyby cop were born! soldier
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 24 October 2012 18: 03
                0
                answer pioneer were?
      2. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 20 October 2012 22: 52
        +1
        Ltsorub
        my peony ersk squad in the village of exiled fists

        Oh, stop lying already, a boy from Moscow.
        Resting after the demonstrations?
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 22 October 2012 09: 35
          -1
          Well, yes - I’m resting, but with the money honestly earned from the State Department! ....
          Do you want and send you a plane? there are a couple of free cabins for you on the yacht ... you can take a wife or a mistress, or we will find you (on the islands) mulattos ... and Russian women meet often, while their husbands sweat their faces from their homeland to the last stretch, they come off complete! laughing not everyone has fun on 6 acres near you, someone else should cover with his sultry bodies tropical beaches! bully
    12. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 20 October 2012 21: 58
      +13
      I am the great-grandson of an enemy of the people, my great-grandfather was shot on a false notion in 37m. Under Khrushchev, piquant details were revealed: the handwriting in "confession" was not grandfather's, but a well-wisher, who signaled his suspicion to the necessary authorities, and then simply drove into his apartment, from which they kicked out my great-grandmother and my grandfather. 65 years have passed. An hour ago I returned from the Church of the New Martyrs of Russia at the Butovo training ground. The irony is that it stands on the territory of the landfill where in the 30s people were massively shot, and a chapel is now being erected on the site of the house in which the verdict was passed without trial or investigation.
      My other grandmother lived all 900 days in the city of LENINGRAD, my other grandfather defended Sevastopol on a submarine, and a lot of people went on bayonet attacks shouting "For Stalin!"
      If I take the pedigree of my son, then the situation on his mother’s side is even more absurd. in G. Borisoglebsk there is a monument to the shot Red Army soldiers, among her relatives there are great-grandfathers both the shot Red Army soldiers, in whose honor this monument, and the White Guards, who, by an evil irony of fate, shot down the Red Army soldiers. It turned out also not so long ago. And what should my son do now? Go to Israel and circumcise to do so that the brain does not go crazy when it starts to think about the question of what is good and what is bad?
      Whatever it was, under Stalin many innocent people were killed, but at the same time under Stalin, the country became a superpower that defeated fascism. This is my country and I love it as it is with all its contradictions. This is my homeland - it happened so.
      PS trying to solve these contradictions is tantamount to destroying the country, even if it is better it will be the way it is.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 21 October 2012 00: 58
        +1
        Quote: Bashkaus
        trying to solve these contradictions is tantamount to destroying the country, even if it is better if it is what it is.

        Correctly. Now we don’t have to find out who is right, who is to blame, who is red, who is white. Each had their own ideals, and positive, despite the antagonism. And if we now begin to find out who is good, who is bad, we will completely ruin the country. You just need to take note of all this and not repeat past mistakes. You have to raise the country, you need to work. If you don’t like something, say, offer a way out. And shouts down with crooks and thieves without reference to specific surnames
    13. alexng
      alexng 21 October 2012 03: 00
      +3
      And why did you not like Septugian, Siberia? I have lived in Siberia for 25 years (now, ironically, I live near Belgorod) and I consider Siberia to be the best territory of our Earth. And people in Siberia are special "undemocratic", open and sensitive to each other. Go to Siberia and maybe become a man and stop writing such nonsense in the Internet. It is from Siberia that degenerates should be expelled, although it is difficult to find such people there, as a punishment to the civilized world.
  2. wolk71
    wolk71 20 October 2012 15: 34
    +23
    About the "Archipelago" I 100% agree, why should we believe a man who was against his country all his life and in the end left for America and from there taught us how to govern Russia. So you can get to the point that children will teach prison stories at school.
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 20 October 2012 15: 50
      +20
      wolk71,
      Quote: wolk71
      So you can get to the point that children will teach prison stories at school

      That's not all. I remember how they wanted to tell us that Gastello was drunk, the Sailors slipped, the Panfilovites did not exist at all, and Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya enjoyed talking to the zorgcommand. But thank God everything is back to square one.
      1. wolk71
        wolk71 20 October 2012 17: 43
        +4
        Of course, they tried a lot and are trying to change, and not for the better.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 20 October 2012 18: 07
      +14
      "... children will teach prison stories at school ..."
      What do our artists teach them? On the screens of cinemas, television, what? Banditry, shooting, criminality. Humor below the waist and deep. Voiceless pop of red-light district girls, blue-shell fagot boys. Sloppy morons of House-2 "building their happiness" on idleness, laziness, debauchery, stupidity.
      Genes are a great thing. The bulk of children and young people know how to filter the imposed "values" and choose real heroes. And the son at the age of 5 without leaving his hometown ended up in another state, and the 7-year-old grandson remember and honor the heroes on the Walk of Fame and the monument to the Unknown Sailor. On any occasion they consider it their duty to be there. They treat veterans with respect. On the day, the Airborne Forces and PV are already filtering real fighters from drunken, fluffy cattle in berets and caps who have not seen a parachute and a border post.
      The new generation will remember the real heroes of that time and the lost state that they have not seen, in which they have not lived, but are proud of.,
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2012 19: 14
      +2
      Moreover, I do not understand why this "genius" sitting in Karlag could know what was going on in Kolyma or in Solovki
  3. strannik595
    strannik595 20 October 2012 15: 37
    +10
    leave the dead lion alone, he has already been paid for all the good and bad in the other world .......... and he has something to learn from
    1. Glory
      Glory 20 October 2012 20: 46
      0
      LEO is not so dead if there is so much controversy surrounding LEO!
  4. Spartakv
    Spartakv 20 October 2012 15: 52
    +6
    No matter how offensive it will be to our "democrats" to realize this, but in the article it is very correctly noted how everything really is with the views of the history of the USSR among modern youth, and, to be honest, not only among them. IPhones, Turkey and other achievements of democracy are no longer impressive to anyone, and they are not worth the country we have lost.
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 20 October 2012 16: 28
      -7
      and you lived in that country or judging by today's films.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 00: 33
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry
        "... and you lived in that country, or judging by today's films."


        Still alive are people who lived in that country and remembering the statement of Mrs. V.I. Matvienko.
        "Venediktov: There are very few veterans left ...
        Matvienko: Unfortunately, no ...
        Venediktov: Rather, fortunately?
        Matvienko: Fortunately, yes, fortunately. "
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPXHJTxqcy4
      2. Spartakv
        Spartakv 21 October 2012 16: 28
        0
        And lived and live.
  5. zadotov
    zadotov 20 October 2012 15: 53
    +8
    he’s bad or good, like any of us it’s impossible to say unequivocally his actions are motivated by his era and we cannot judge them, one thing is clear that if he weren’t, then Russia would not have been, nor were the objects of our Russian pride
    1. Septugian
      Septugian 20 October 2012 15: 56
      -35
      And what did he do, detachments ?, well done, well, what can I say! But he didn’t do it, but the Russian people, and what he’s boss, the beginning of the war perfectly showed!
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 October 2012 16: 23
        +20
        Septugian
        He turned out to be the most powerful boss. Yes, he was a tyrant and a bloody tyrant. This I can quite reasonably say for my father who was in the DDN in 1937. And the innocent people were really shot in the hundreds and thousands. BUT! This man himself plowed as a convict and knew how to force others. He found and promoted excellent managers who worked wonders without manual control. And he didn’t leave Moscow when German tanks stood on its doorstep. In principle, like all gigantic personalities, it is extremely complex and contradictory. Take, for example, Peter the Great with his gigantic construction projects, wars and the restructuring of the centuries-old structure of the country. Is Stalin a tyrant who kept everyone in fear and the leader of the repressive apparatus? Yes. Is Stalin the great statesman who led the country in the most difficult war and the radical restructuring of peasant RI in the industrial USSR? Yes. It’s hard for me, the grandson of the executed journalist, to judge this, especially against the background of the current grayness in politics, that the USA, Europe, Russia, and even in my Israel there are no figures equal to Ben-Gurion of 40 years. sad
        1. vovan1949
          vovan1949 20 October 2012 16: 56
          0
          Aron, sorry for ignorance - and who is Ben-Gurion?
          1. wolk71
            wolk71 20 October 2012 18: 33
            +1
            Ben Gurion David

            Ben-Gurion David, statesman of Israel. He graduated from the Law Faculty of Istanbul University. One of the leaders of the Zionist movement. In 1948–53 and 1955–63, the Prime Minister and Minister of Defense. One of the organizers and head of the right-wing socialist Zionist party MAPAI. Of the most extremist elements of this party, in 1965 he created a new batch of RAFI. Supporter of the expansionist course in Israeli politics; one of the inspirers of aggressive adventures against the Arab countries.
            1. vovan1949
              vovan1949 21 October 2012 10: 41
              +1
              wolk71, thanks for the comprehensive answer
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 October 2012 18: 36
            +6
            vovan1949 The first prime minister of Israel. By the way, the man was also extremely tough.
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 21 October 2012 01: 01
              +1
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              "The first prime minister of Israel. By the way, the man was also extremely tough."
              .

              There are no jokes with Jews. What kind of jokes are there?
              “In the summer of 2005, Israel resembled a seething cauldron. Ariel Sharon, formerly always considered one of the toughest opponents of negotiations with the Palestinians, decided to play the Unilateral Disengagement card.
              This plan implied the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the territory of the Gaza Strip, the removal of Israeli settlers and other numerous concessions to the Palestinians. The country literally split in two. Supporters of a peaceful resolution to the conflict hailed the prime minister’s decision. But far more numerous radical Israelis violently protested against "surrender to the terrorists."
              At the end of July 2005, there were rumors that a group of rabbis, the most fanatical opponents of the transfer of Israeli lands to Palestinians, led by Kabbalist Yosef Dayan, gathered at the cemetery at night and committed curse rite of the prime minister of Israel Ariel Sharon...
              The rite of this curse is called "Pulse de nur", which is translated from Hebrew means "fiery whip" ...

              Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon Cursed "Pulse de nur" in 1995 and 2005, respectively.
              Rabin was killed a month after the curse, and Sharon fell into a coma less than six months later.

              Where is the ROC with anathemas and prosecutions.

              In Karelia, a blogger will be placed in a mental hospital for criticizing the Russian Orthodox Church.
              http://www.mr7.ru/articles/54126/

              Gatchina Dmitry Lebedev thought badly about the patriarch and argued that "God is a myth." The court found him guilty.
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/687375-0/

              For the patriarch Kirill they shut up the mouth of the 282nd Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
              http://irinagundareva.com/mneniya/1603-za-patriarxa-kirilla-zatykayut-rot-282-j-
              uk-rf.html
            2. Steering wheel
              Steering wheel 21 October 2012 13: 18
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              vovan1949 The first prime minister of Israel. By the way, the man was also extremely tough.
              Liberal ppedarast ... by methods, order in the country cannot be restored, much less maintained because those in power and capital, as well as their henchmen, will not be given their divine status, capital. They will try by all means to translate social issues into national ones (from here and rotten nationalism), to pit peoples against each other and while they fight, they will make money.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 20 October 2012 18: 10
          +7
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Is Stalin a tyrant who kept everyone in fear and the leader of the repressive apparatus? Yes. Is Stalin the great statesman who led the country in the most difficult war and the radical restructuring of peasant RI in the industrial USSR? Yes. It’s hard for me, the grandson of the executed journalist, to judge this, especially against the background of the current grayness in politics, that the USA, Europe, Russia, and even in my Israel there are no figures equal to Ben Gurion for about 40 years

          - Anglo-Saxons and Turks, who want to scold Stalin, let them go to their homes and scold their Cromwell and Atatürk - comfort their hands to the elbow in blood too, but they don’t see it. So let them take a closer look and shut up their smelly mouths.
          We will deal with Stalin ourselves. Of course, the figure is ambiguous and controversial, but there is a great figure for that - you can’t measure it with just one arshin.
          For me, this is primarily a reformer and a state builder. Yes, he did not manage to build such a state that without his direct control would continue to move in that direction, but the achievements that were under him are REALLY impressive. Here Putin wants to repeat about the same thing - he made a reservation for a breakthrough, similar to the Soviet breakthrough of the thirties and forties. Let's see what he does. By the way, I am loyal to Putin, I consider him a worthy leader at the moment "incurably great country"I ask anti-Putinists not to get excited, get excited on another and on another resource. Article plus
          1. survivor
            survivor 20 October 2012 20: 45
            +2
            and what kind of politician should be on such a scale? we see much of what happened in a completely different way, not because we are kinder, but because we do not run a huge state, with a thousand nationalities and confessions. because we didn’t get the country hammered into ruins! no one, even the most democratic of us, will be able to adequately answer the question, "what will I do in that situation?"
          2. SlavaP
            SlavaP 20 October 2012 21: 56
            +1
            Well, suppose Cromwell is not very favored here. That one was still fruit.
            But they have not forgotten the lessons - they have been a "democratic republic" for ten years and that's enough.
          3. Normal
            Normal 20 October 2012 23: 29
            +1
            Quote: aksakal
            Here Putin wants to repeat about the same thing - he made a slip on a breakthrough similar to the Soviet breakthrough of the thirties and forties.

            Quote: aksakal
            I ask the anti-Putinists not to get excited, get excited on another and on another resource.

            You are so diligently “loyal” to Putin, you “love” him so sincerely and with inspiration that it is impossible not to get excited. I would like to advise you yourself with this "loyalty" to speak on a "other" resource. And all the more, there is no need to put Putin next to Stalin. Do not stain the Great with dullness.
        3. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 18: 44
          0
          PUTIN ...if you ISSO did not understand! he is feared and respected throughout the world, his methods of conducting foreign and domestic policies, as in judo, have their own unobtrusive philosophy ;-) mon sher-yiddish ami
          not for nothing your leadership SO his took the last time ... for, with a Jewish (not circumcised)))) he feels his backside, shta .... kirdyk of the promised land with all the "aliens" in HIS "omnipotent hand" am
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 20 October 2012 20: 26
            +1
            Quote: Lesorub
            natural and inconspicuous details of the surrounding everyday landscape. An iPhone is a convenient (and yet yes - prestigious) means of communication, not value. A car is a vehicle, not a value. Turkey and even Paris itself are a line in the flight schedule, not value. Hundreds of TV channels and millions of sites are a stream of information and entertainment, not value.

            Thank God it comes to people the truth of life.
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 12
              -2
              not mine ... Paris, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Mukhoshor.nsk - value! ....
          2. s1н7т
            s1н7т 20 October 2012 21: 21
            0
            Pi.pec. sick person, however!
        4. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 35
          +5
          For ARON Zaavi
          Good afternoon!
          Do not take it as a joke, but did Stalin manage to stand at the origins of the creation of modern Israel, and how did he manage to build so much in 25 years that he couldn’t ruin in 60 years 1953-2012?
          Alexander 1958
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 October 2012 21: 02
            +4
            Alexander 1958
            No joke. Support in the UN and permission for Czechoslovakia to sell weapons. Before the "Doctors' affair" in Israel, at May Day demonstrations, a portrait of Stalin was carried next to Ben-Gurion's portrait. What was that.
          2. hypnosis
            hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 50
            -2
            The Zionists stood at the origins of the creation of Israel, one must be more modest, more modest
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 21 October 2012 00: 29
              +2
              standing at the origins of the creation of Israel - Stalin!
        5. Konrad
          Konrad 20 October 2012 22: 01
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The boss he turned out to be the most powerful

          Well, he made friends with the Stalinists! They even sketched the pluses and kept their terry anti-Semitism.
        6. sleepy
          sleepy 21 October 2012 00: 48
          +2
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          "And the innocent in his presence were indeed shot in hundreds and thousands ..."


          Why, there are hundreds of thousands of innocently shot - millions shot "tyrant and bloody tyrant ... tyrant who kept everyone at bay and the leader of the repressive apparatus".
          And Hitler brought to suicide sad
          And right away, the evil tyrant Stalin appears, shooting the innocent and kind uncle Tukhachevsky, completely caring for the peasantry.
        7. Steering wheel
          Steering wheel 21 October 2012 18: 50
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Yes. Stalin the great statesman
          Jews need to remember who accepted them in the USSR after Hitler came to power when the British Foreign Ministry sent requests not to accept German Jews fleeing terror. Stalin received more than 100 yews. Jewish refugees
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 16: 23
        +6
        Quote: Septugian
        , well, well done, what can I say! But he didn’t do it, but the Russian people, but what kind of boss he is,

        To quote someone’s statement on the site, Stalin received a ruined rural country and left a space power. Draw conclusions, I myself criticized a lot of Stalin, but Zhukov’s memoirs were posted here, read it, there is a lot to the contrary. hi
        1. vovan1949
          vovan1949 20 October 2012 17: 00
          +8
          Churchill said this about Stalin. Approximately: he got the country in bast shoes, and left with a nuclear bomb
          I, too, when I was young, thought negatively about Stalin, but when I became interested in this topic, I realized how I was mistaken. So is Beria.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 20 October 2012 17: 36
            +8
            Quote: vovan1949
            I, too, when I was young, thought negatively about Stalin, but when I became interested in this topic, I realized how I was mistaken. So is Beria.

            And I, if at any time strange thoughts about these two people arose (after reading many newspaper opuses during perestroika), I always wondered if my grandfathers and parents were "hanging on to my ears." My wife and I recalled all that the relatives of the 30s-50s could do - there were no repressed, although up to a hundred were listed. Those who died in the war (and not in one) - many. But what about the tens of millions of repressed at Conquest and Solzhenitsyn? With such numbers out of our hundred, there should have been a dozen enemies among our ancestors! Really, Joseph Vissarionovich and Lavrenty Palych gave a blunder, or was the story then corrected?
            1. Alexander 1958
              Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 40
              +5
              Good day!
              A study similar to yours was conducted by other ordinary Soviet citizens with similar results. Conclusion - the bulk of the repressed belonged to the nomenclature and the leading party-Soviet-military stratum.
              Alexander 1958
              1. Lesorub
                Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 21
                -4
                stupid things ... building an industrial society and collectivization made a clear repressive slice among the peasantry (accounting for 90% of the population) and only then all the others ... Loud affairs of the Trotskyites, Bukharinites, military, doctors, etc. are remembered. and illiterate hundreds of thousands of silver-footed peasant kulaks are not so interesting .. Now the lists of the repressed and their social affiliation are PUBLISHED in the archives of the KGB-FSB
          2. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 20 October 2012 23: 27
            +2
            vovan1949
            So is Beria.

            1948 good , it was the same with me, my opinion began to change when I got acquainted with real facts, after tons of slobbering liberal lies.
            Beria many, to put it mildly, "hate". However, it is a fact: thanks to his leadership of the Soviet nuclear project, the Union received its nuclear weapons in the shortest possible time.
            And the democratic nuclear bombing of our country by "peace-loving America" ​​was no longer destined to come true,
            BUT after all planned! And they found out that we also have a bomb! They were very upset.
            So the haters of "bloody Beria" keep silent about this, that without his rigid organization, we - the current generations simply would not have appeared.
            Somehow this does not fit into their usual lies.
            1. A. Yaga
              A. Yaga 21 October 2012 22: 12
              0
              It was the same with me. And my relatives on both sides were not affected by the repression. Although all four families fell into the category of "fists". As someone already wrote: there were no well-wishers.
              It seems that the democrats (then called the Bolsheviks) fell under repression, who arranged for us a revolutionary slaughter.
          3. Alx1miK
            Alx1miK 21 October 2012 10: 55
            0
            I don’t know about Beria, but about Stalin too. Until you plunge into the question, billions of slain will seem.
        2. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 14
          +3
          Alexander, Churchill after the death of Stalin said the following:
          It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials Russia was headed by the genius and unshakable commander I.V. Stalin. He was an outstanding personality who impressed the cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.
          Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy, erudition and unbending will, sharp, tough, merciless both in business and in conversation, which even I, raised in the English parliament, could not oppose.
          Stalin, above all, had a great sense of sarcasm and humor, as well as the ability to accurately express his thoughts. Stalin wrote speeches only himself, and gigantic power always sounded in his works. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of all times and peoples.
          Stalin made the greatest impression on us. His influence on people was irresistible. When he entered the hall of the Yalta Conference, we all, as if on command, stood up and, strange thing, for some reason held our hands at the seams.
          He possessed a deep, devoid of any panic, logical and meaningful wisdom. Stalin was an unsurpassed master in finding in difficult moments the way out of the most hopeless situation. In the most difficult moments, as well as in moments of triumph, he was equally restrained, never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a vast empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his hands and made us, whom he openly called imperialists, rebel against the imperialists.
          Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with a plow, and left it equipped with atomic weapons.
          No! No matter what they say about him, such a story and people do not forget ”
          1. vovan1949
            vovan1949 21 October 2012 11: 09
            0
            Lumberjack, compare your last comment (Churchill's statements) with yours published above. I, as a doctor of medical sciences, professor of the department of psychology, I can say - this is a split personality. Have you decided to make pluses ?. It’s not good, you need to have a core, a conviction that you are right. And objectively, with analysis to perceive any, even the most objective and reliable information. And sometimes ask yourself the question: maybe I'm wrong ?. Although this is sometimes not so desirable. And the last one. Sometimes one wants to humiliate, trample, insult, give a snout to a brick to his opponent. Everyone has nerves and sometimes they can’t stand it. But this is a sign of weakness, self-doubt. You can not respect the opinions of others, but stoop to insults and labels - meanly. But in general, the Internet is so wonderful that everyone can express and defend their point of view, argue, and in disputes, as you know, truth is born.
            1. Lesorub
              Lesorub 21 October 2012 19: 00
              0
              this is not schizophrenia ... but I am quoting Churchill's statement about Stalin. And in my opinion, nowhere in my comments did I "attribute too much" to him .... and "Brick" is not mine ... I just returned it to the owner in its proper place)))
            2. Lesorub
              Lesorub 23 October 2012 09: 52
              +1
              if every retired warrant officer working as a watchman (security guard) in the Kazakh hospital will pretend to be a professor and try to make a "diagnosis", then the forum will turn into THIS ...
      3. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 20 October 2012 16: 25
        +12
        septugian judging by your views, someone from your ancestors was clearly excommunicated from the feeder in a radical way, but you can’t get rid of hack work in Russia - you still came to light
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 21 October 2012 01: 45
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          you can’t get rid of trash in Russia in any way - you still came to light


          Tin !!!!! +++++++
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 20 October 2012 16: 30
        -1
        did your grandfather tell you?
      5. NKVD
        NKVD 20 October 2012 16: 45
        +2
        Quote: Septugian
        And what did he do such detachments ?,

        Maybe it seems wild, but in that terrible war it was only possible to win ... I doubt that some kind of democratic state would stand alone in that war. When was the question for Russia simply to be or not to be? And only a state with totalitarian rule could to survive. By the way, the laws of war even in democratic countries violate the foundations of these states. PS By the way, I am not a Stalinist because Stalin did both harm and good, and he is not an unambiguous person in our history ...
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 20 October 2012 19: 01
          +5
          They fought for the MOTHERLAND. Therefore, they won. My father, an ordinary soldier, a true COMMUNIST, came out of the encirclement from Brest to Smolensk. He brought out more than a hundred people. They were dressed in civilian clothes, some in German, few in the Red Army uniform. And their weapons were mostly captured.
          And our generation will remain in history as a pro .... USSR.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 21 October 2012 01: 15
            +3
            Quote: Septugian
            "And what did he do that, the detachments?"


            And where were the squads? Near Kiev? Near Odessa? Near Leningrad?
            Near Stalingrad? Near Warsaw? Near Berlin?

            When, forgetting the oath, they turned
            In battle, two machine gunners back,
            Two small bullets caught up with them -
            Always shot without a miss battalion commander.

            Guys fell bumping into the ground,
            And he staggered forward.
            For those two, only he will condemn him,
            Who never went on a machine gun.

            Then in the dugout of the regimental headquarters,
            Silently taking the papers from the foreman,
            He wrote a battalion commander to two poor Russian women,
            What ... by the death of the brave their sons fell.

            And hundreds of times I read the letter to people
            In a remote village, a crying mother.
            Who will blame for this lie battalion commander?
            No one dares to condemn him!
            1943


            PS And if the battalion commander was next to the machine gun, he would order a machine gunner to shoot.
            This was the execution of the order "Not one step back".
            But not a detachment.
        2. npv554f
          npv554f 20 October 2012 20: 59
          +5
          The detachments are not the invention of Stalin or anyone else from the leadership of the USSR. They existed in ancient Rome. They existed in the armies of many other states. Our Russian Empire was no exception. I was forced to use the detachments of the USSR. It is a pity, but very little has been written about the work of the detachment detachments. But their job was not to stand behind the attackers and shoot them in the back. Their main work took place in the immediate rear fronts. This is the detention of escaped from the front line of the front (deserters), as well as those lagging behind their units. Along the way, German agents and saboteurs came to light. There are many myths about the bloodthirstiness of detachments, although the percentage of those arrested (and even more so executed) of the total number of detainees was scanty. The bulk of the detainees, after verification, were sent to continue serving in their units or at transit points to replenish personnel of other units. As for those arrested and executed, I do not think that all of them were completely innocent.
        3. hypnosis
          hypnosis 20 October 2012 22: 19
          -3
          If not for these very totalitarian states, then there would have been no war
          1. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 20 October 2012 23: 49
            +1
            hypnosis
            If not for these very totalitarian states, then there would have been no war

            if it weren’t for Britain (Hitler was eager to seize its eastern colonies, but they threw him a diso and attacked the USSR)
            If there weren’t the USA, whose bankers financed Hitler’s party before he became chancellor, and then financed Nazi Germany throughout the war!
            Wake up, the so-called Big Game began a long time ago, and continues to this day.
            Destabilization of the East, seizure of power,
            destabilization of Russia, fragmentation, seizure of power over the whole world.
            This is not only a dream of Western elites, this is what is happening now, at least they are trying hard.
            Think this is a joke?
      6. vovan1949
        vovan1949 20 October 2012 16: 53
        +3
        Septugian, you are incorrigible. Repeat the myths of strangers, people who break our story, and therefore our country (I mean the USSR and Russia). About the start of the war. You’re standing head-on against the ambol (and Hitler’s army was the strongest in the world) and this ambal dealt a crushing blow to your jaw. Could you instantly inflict a more crushing blow to him? I think no. We know about Suvorov, Kutuzov and many other generals. In your opinion, they have nothing to do with, I won, as you say, the Russian people. Somehow frivolously, childishly.
        1. arkady149
          arkady149 20 October 2012 18: 03
          +5
          Vovanu. The Septugian is a useful phenomenon on our site, its ... udatskie arguments make us once again comprehend the greatness of the achievements of our people. Sorry for the pathos.
      7. wolk71
        wolk71 20 October 2012 18: 24
        +4
        My grandfather fought, four wounds, the squads did not tell anything about the barrage.
        1. chaban13
          chaban13 20 October 2012 21: 18
          +2
          Even the people who fought in the penal battalions said that they had seen detachments 1 time in the entire war, and that only during major offensives.
      8. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 October 2012 18: 38
        +7
        Quote: Septugian
        And what did he do such detachments ?,

        Do you even study the topic and then quote Solzhnitsin


        before our eyes was an excellent example of the Wehrmacht, which had from the very beginning in its structure a field gendarmerie (Feldgendarmerie), which, having professionally trained officers and soldiers, was engaged in catching fugitives, identifying simulants and self-arrows, putting things in order in the rear,

        In accordance with the order of NPO No. 227 in units operating in the Red Army as of October 15, The city formed 193 barrage detachments.
        Of these, 16 were formed in parts of the Stalingrad Front and 25 Don, and a total of 41 detachments, which were subordinate to the Special NKVD Army Armies.

        From the beginning of their formation (from August 1 to October 15 this year), 140755 servicemen who escaped from the front line were detained by barrage detachments.

        Of the detainees: 3980 people were arrested, 1189 people were executed, 2776 people were sent to penal companies, 185 people were sent to penal battalions, 131094 people were returned to their units and transfer points.

        The greatest number of detentions and arrests was carried out by the barrage detachments of the Don and Stalingrad fronts.

        36109 people were detained along the Don Front, 736 people were arrested, 433 people were shot, 1056 people were sent to penal companies, 33 people were sent to penal battalions, 32933 people were returned to their units and transfer points.

        15649 people were detained along the Stalingrad Front, 244 people were arrested, 278 people were shot, 218 people were sent to penal companies, 42 were sent to penal battalions, 14833 people were returned to their units and transfer points.

        It should be noted that barrage detachments, and especially detachments on the Stalingrad and Don fronts (subordinate to special divisions of the NKVD armies) during the period of fierce battles with the enemy played a positive role in bringing order to the units and preventing unorganized withdrawal from the lines they occupy, returning a significant number military personnel on the front line.

        August 29 this year the headquarters of the 29th division of the 64th Army of the Stalingrad Front was surrounded by erupting enemy tanks, parts of the division, losing control in a panic, moved to the rear. The acting detachment (the head of the detachment, lieutenant of state security Filatov), ​​who is in charge of the combat units of the division, taking decisive measures, suspended the outgoing soldiers in disorder and returned them to the previously occupied defense lines.
        In another section of this division, the enemy tried to break into the depths of defense. The squadron entered the battle and delayed the advance of the enemy.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 20 October 2012 19: 36
          +6
          Quote: Vadivak
          before our eyes was a great example of the Wehrmacht,

          Since the creation of the Wehrmacht in March 1935, the Wehrmacht Disciplinary Regulations provided for wartime in relation to military personnel who too often violated discipline, or even simply in the opinion of the commander "dangerous for the discipline of the unit", sending them to special field units (Feldsonderabteilung), which still were simply called special units (Sondereinheiten) for a period of 3-4 months. And these special field units (usually the size of the battalion) appeared in the Wehrmacht long before the war, already in September 1936, and existed throughout the war. Let us recall that they were sent to the Soviet penal companies and battalions for a period of 1 to 3 months. In German immediately for 3-4 months. From the Soviet penal company, early release (for injury, for deeds) was possible and widely practiced. No German. In our country, upon release (for all reasons), a soldier was always returned from the penal unit to his unit with reinstatement in rank and position, with the return of awards. But there was practically no way out of the Wehrmacht special field battalion. the parts that will be discussed below are referred to in German sources as ewahrungstruppentweile 500. Therefore, the number 500 indicates not a number, but the special character of a part. So to speak, the word "penalty", "probationary", "prisoner" is masked with the number 500. The first mention of the trial part 500 (Bewahrungstruppentweile 500). in the documents date back to September 1940. Curiously - the war with Poland ended in September 1939. The war against France ended in June 1940 and until May 1941 the Wehrmacht did not conduct active hostilities. Where does the need for penalties come from?
          ... The Legal Department of the Wehrmacht determined the procedure for using this unit as follows: The unit should be used in the most difficult and dangerous conditions ... It should be sent to the most dangerous sectors of the front - this is its main function. Until then, it should be used for the toughest and most dangerous jobs. "
          The first such test battalion was formed by April 1, 1941 in Mining (IX corps region). It received the name Infantry Battalion 500 (Infanterieabteilung 500). German historian H. Voyt writes about the presence in the Bundesarchive of 82 thousand registration cards for soldiers of variable composition of such battalions and 16 thousand cards of permanent personnel of these battalions. But he believes that these data are very incomplete. In October 1942, the 999th Battalion and "Todt Organization Test Units" appear.
          Both were used in particularly dangerous and extremely debilitating physical work associated with obvious damage to health (lime and cement plants, mines extremely dangerous for gas and dust, enterprises for draining bogs and peat extraction). However, as the Wehrmacht forces were exhausted, the 999th battalions armed themselves and went to the front to the most dangerous sections of the front along with the 500th battalions. The authors of the book write that about 999 thousand people passed through the 30th battalions. Note that there were no appointments in the 999s. The fate of these prisoners was to be decided after the end of the war. Those. about any return to the ranks of the Wehrmacht in the status of soldiers was out of the question.http: //army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/disciplin-wermaxt-a.php
        2. YARY
          YARY 20 October 2012 19: 54
          +1
          Bug
          GFP-GeheimFeldsPolice
      9. npv554f
        npv554f 20 October 2012 19: 46
        +2
        Septugian, what do you know about detachments? Just do not refer to Solzhenitsyn, Mikhalkov, etc. If you can’t find it yourself, check out at least this brief document on the activities of detachments. http://gidepark.ru/user/2215239304/content/1615288
  6. erased
    erased 20 October 2012 16: 16
    +3
    Everything is good in moderation. And enthusiasm and criticism. But the best is truth. And they are just trying to hide it. Osoblievo now.
    1. vovan1949
      vovan1949 20 October 2012 17: 03
      +4
      Not only are they trying to hide, the worse is that they lie cleaner than Goebbels. And many, like the Septugian fall for this bait.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 20 October 2012 19: 47
        +4
        True. Watch often - what they teach from the history of your children and grandchildren. When I first came across modern history textbooks, words cannot be described. Since then, there is no respect for modern "teachers" in the school
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 21 October 2012 13: 20
          0
          I will even give an example, from my own communication - a friend had a history test, there is such a question: Who in 1945 WANTED war with Russia (To say the USSR for the current "history teachers" is taboo) ... The correct answer killed me most of all to this question - it turns out that in 1945 Japan wanted war with the USSR ... Honestly - I was just in shock ... belay
  7. Ash
    Ash 20 October 2012 16: 35
    +6
    Judging by the presence of those "historically offended by bloody executioners" who have rushed in, "enlightened intellectuals" in glasses with a chain and a bribe from an underachieved student in their pockets will only relieve us of their presence when the war begins. They will run away like cockroaches. And we will win and become stronger , smarter and more circumspect.
  8. Waroc
    Waroc 20 October 2012 16: 49
    +9
    Quote: Septugian
    By accident, not those children, is he a friend who was thrown out with his parents to Siberia, or who were left orphans when their parents were sent to camps and prisons?


    Quote: baskoy
    Minus, I won’t feel worse from this!


    That's right - "Though it looks like a piss, everything is God's dew." It's just that you are either stupid or one of the most recent - young and early - effective managers.

    The note is about something completely different - you probably do not understand. By your example, today you can find no less disadvantages. A person writes about a DREAM, about accomplishments, about IDEALS, and you repeat the same thing with stupid obstinacy - like "bloody gebnya". Yes, there was everything, and this also happened, but to exaggerate and focus on only one aspect is at least stupid and shortsighted.
    And now - all hurt yourself - everyone in his garden, do not give a shit about the neighbor, put it on the neighbor, so your way is good (((
    But then they were the first to fly into space (and this is only one example), and now after an accident, they planted them for bribes and were afraid of the bribe-takers - they might even shoot, but now they’re free-rein, you just have to unfasten and everything will be OK. You are probably talking about something like that, well, to whom it is nicer.
  9. Larus
    Larus 20 October 2012 16: 52
    +7
    Yes, I heard this trick about "and in the USSR there were no mobile phones", and more than once I heard it from liberal-minded crap as an argument.
    No wonder their main values ​​are 30 coins for which you can buy a barrel of jam and a box of cookies there.
  10. sxn278619
    sxn278619 20 October 2012 16: 57
    -12
    Lenin wrote that the socio-economic system will win, where labor productivity will be higher.
    The basis of most of the achievements of the USSR was Western technology.
    Industrialization (US plants).
    Atomic bomb (USA).
    Heavy bombers (USA).
    Missiles (Germany).
    Low salaries made it possible to concentrate large resources for solving critical problems.
    But even the impoverished North Korea has a bomb and a rocket.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 20 October 2012 18: 20
      +3
      Quote: sxn278619
      The basis of most of the achievements of the USSR was Western technology.

      And, no matter how pathetic it sounds, hard work, bright heads and the hands of SOVIET PEOPLE growing from where you need it. And also what is lacking now - the confidence that tomorrow will be better than yesterday ...
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 01: 38
        0
        Quote: sxn278619
        "Western technology was the basis for most of the USSR's achievements."


        "The contribution of domestic scientists and engineers to the victory in the Great Patriotic War"
        http://housea.ru/index.php/computer/50643
        “Unfortunately, there is not a single picture in the photo chronicle showing the work of Leningrad radars. Fascist pilots, rising from their airfields, did not even suspect that in“ barbarian Russia ”they were“ seen ”, they were“ led. ”But they were“ seen ”and “Led.” The then top secret radar stations - “redoubts” controlled the airspace for more than a hundred kilometers around and warned the city in time about the impending danger.
        When the Nazis were preparing a devastating raid on November 6, the operators of the "redoubts" established that bombers were beginning to accumulate at enemy airfields close to the city. On the eve of the holiday, the pilots of the 125th regiment unleashed powerful blows on them and burned dozens of fascist vehicles on the ground. "

        And by the way, TV was invented in Leningrad.
        "On May 10, 1932 in Leningrad, the Komintern plant produced the first 20 Soviet television sets."
        http://www.opoccuu.com/100511.htm
    2. arkady149
      arkady149 20 October 2012 18: 25
      +4
      Only an Idea can inspire great accomplishments, and for good money you can get, at best, a good job. We Russians have little good. Being a well-fed "Benelux" is nice, but damn boring, there is no scope, flight of the soul.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 20 October 2012 19: 39
        +4
        Quote: arkady149
        Great Ideas Can Inspire Only Idea

        To paraphrase the well-known expression about the fulcrum, one can say: "Give the Russians an IDEA, and they will move the Earth!"
        1. hypnosis
          hypnosis 20 October 2012 21: 50
          -4
          The idea thrown to the masses that the girl thrown into the regiment
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 21 October 2012 01: 13
            +3
            Quote: hypnose
            The idea thrown to the masses that the girl thrown into the regiment

            Well, there are different "girls", such, for example, I don’t know how with the regiment, but it’s good ...
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 21 October 2012 11: 17
            +2
            Quote: hypnose
            The idea thrown to the masses that the girl thrown into the regiment


            Here it is Th countrymen from Berdichev quote, would you go to fight with Palestine
    3. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 20 October 2012 20: 00
      +3
      And here is a correction
      Atomic bomb-UK + German scientists
      You need to know the story ........

      All high labor productivity in the USA was based on multibillion-dollar profits due to two world wars (actually, as now, they can be printed on worthless green pieces of paper as needed)

      Please note how, during the 2008 crisis, the issue of overcoming this
      in the Russian Federation - how to correctly distribute the stab fund (accumulated oil tanks)
      in the USA, how much does it print money?

      Feel the difference!
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 01: 31
        +1
        Quote: sxn278619
        "Western technology was the basis for most of the USSR's achievements."


        And what if you look broader:
        The basis of the "achievements" of the second-class countries were and are Western political technologies and financial scams of the IMF.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 21 October 2012 12: 52
        +1
        Yes, and amers became concerned about heavy bombers after our record flights across the North Pole.
      3. Raven1972
        Raven1972 21 October 2012 13: 37
        0
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

        All high labor productivity in the USA was based on multibillion-dollar profits due to two world wars (actually, as now, they can be printed on worthless green pieces of paper as needed)

        That's it ... They were sitting on their world island throughout the war - not a single bomb fell on them, they wouldn’t have to do any research ... Yes, at the same time make money supplying the whole world with weapons ....
    4. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 20: 51
      +3
      So, dear, in the factories you still need to learn how to work and manage the process - they themselves will not work.
      The USSR tested the hydrogen bomb before the United States, and then the planes we had were no worse than the B 52.
      And as for the missiles, then you probably think that Yuri Gagarin is a German? And von Braun in the USA worked at McDonalds ..?
      ..Low salary allowed to concentrate large resources for solving critical tasks ...
      In your opinion, so in Africa, where wages are low or there are none at all, there should simply be a fantastic economic growth ... wink
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 39
        -1
        oh, do not touch the B-52! ..... unsuccessful comparison .... there were no analogues at that time -
        1. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 21 October 2012 00: 23
          +1
          Lesorub
          oh, do not touch the B-52! ..... unsuccessful comparison .... there were no analogues at that time -

          Why are you still not in the USA that is sweet to your heart?
          All Russian is so disgusting to you ... You do not protect yourself.
          Maybe the consulate said - "I need to work out"?
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 21 October 2012 19: 15
            0
            Well, who told you that the United States or Israel are sweet to my heart? although the delight from the Russian hinterland, in contrast to the European, I do not particularly feel .... the difference, you know, whether ... and you should not give out for - PATRIOTISM ... your views
        2. Raven1972
          Raven1972 21 October 2012 13: 45
          0
          I will call you offhand 4 at once - Tu-16, Tu-95, 3 MS, 4 M, which are not inferior in characteristics to the B-52 ..... Tu-95 and they fly, and Atlant BMT was made on the basis of 4M which in the world is still no ....
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 13: 53
            -1
            And why is Atlant so remarkable?
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 21 October 2012 14: 05
              0
              At least with its carrying capacity ... And the ability to transport bulky goods on the EXTERNAL suspension .....
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 15: 36
                0
                This is an empty barrel, actually, a tank for Energy, if memory serves ...
                Mriya dragged Buran, Boeing dragged shuttles - these are achievements, but then what?
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 21 October 2012 18: 43
                  0
                  Not only Mriya, but also TDC ... Please give me ... You better tell me why such a machine did not find application later? Something tells me that you panimit in the restructuring .... am In addition, on its basis, an air launch system was developed for the Kyrgyz Republic and ICBMs .... And by the way, ours dragged all this much earlier than the Boeing .... In addition to everything, the BMT band is much shorter than for Mriya ....
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 21 October 2012 19: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Raven1972
                    And by the way, ours dragged all this much earlier than Boeing ....

                    Are you sure? Considering that Colombia started in 1981, and a snowstorm in 1988 (by the way, I was on combat duty in the VKS)
                    And on what did they drag their amers?
                    http://lm.livememory.net/post105991778/
                    1. Raven1972
                      Raven1972 21 October 2012 19: 25
                      0
                      Designed in 76, first flight in 79 ... Energy-snowstorm blocks dragged from 82 ... winked More than 150 flights in total ... Its uniqueness lies precisely in the fact that it is designed for transportation of oversized cargo, even a special container was made for this purpose ....
                  2. Konrad
                    Konrad 22 October 2012 06: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Raven1972
                    You better tell me why such a machine did not find application later

                    And what was she supposed to carry after Buran was covered up? Railway tanks ??? So it is very expensive.
                    1. Raven1972
                      Raven1972 22 October 2012 19: 41
                      0
                      yes even tanks are cheaper than any mriya, even our local airport could receive such planes, but Mriya or Ruslan - no ... The strip was not suitable for them .... Mriya - take-off weight of 600 tons, and BMT 210 .. .. And in short a strip is needed ....
                2. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 21 October 2012 19: 07
                  -1
                  This barrel is 100t in weight, but nothing .... lol
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 20: 08
                    +1
                    Atlanta's maximum payload is only 40 tons! So do not fantasize ...
                    Beluga drags 47 tons and no one pisses with boiling water, but nobody can compare with Mriya, with its 250 tons ...
                    1. Raven1972
                      Raven1972 21 October 2012 22: 16
                      0
                      Well, yes, yes ... Only Buran sales with the tail unit removed more than 40 tons .... Brother Sarych, I was especially interested in this system, I am terribly sorry that they forgot it ... Use cases - a car ... .

                      So I didn’t argue about Mriya, it’s generally a unique plane .... And I didn’t compare them anywhere, look at the comments ... That's just the band for it is needed more than for Atlanta .... And by the way, no one bothered to develop this system further , if not for perestroika and de **** cratia ....
          2. Lesorub
            Lesorub 24 October 2012 17: 52
            +1
            TTX of various modifications of the B-52 is much better than that of the modifications of the Tu-95 on some historical periods of time .... and THIS is not disputed by any of the specialists
    5. chaban13
      chaban13 20 October 2012 21: 26
      +2
      Compare (at least outwardly) the V-2 and the East and you will see that there is almost nothing left of the Germans there. Same thing with Airplanes. Do you think the Americans created the hydrogen bomb too?
      1. Karish
        Karish 21 October 2012 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: chaban13
        Do you think the Americans also created the hydrogen bomb?

        Yes, they did the same. It’s just that Sakharov and Khariton created their famous * puff * earlier.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 21 October 2012 19: 31
          +1
          That is, the first hydrogen bomb that could be used was created in the USSR?
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 35
            0
            Hi, Dima, the first to create the Americans in 1952, but she weighed 65 tons, in August 1953, there was an official statement by the USSR on the test of a hydrogen bomb delivered on an aircraft carrier.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 21 October 2012 19: 43
              0
              Welcome.
              That's the whole point, the Americans created the device, ours immediately created the bomb. First.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 45
                0
                Yes Dim, only then regret such discoveries.
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 21 October 2012 19: 53
                  0
                  It is not our moral torment to suffer, we have never used this. Rather, they should be proud that the Americans no longer had the opportunity to use nuclear weapons again.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 October 2012 19: 57
                    0
                    Dim Caribbean crisis remember. The main thing in whose hands is such a weapon.
                    1. DIMS
                      DIMS 21 October 2012 20: 03
                      0
                      And what, did they apply? But the withdrawal of nuclear missiles from Turkey have been achieved.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 October 2012 20: 09
                        0
                        Thank God Dim, the mind was enough.
    6. s1н7т
      s1н7т 20 October 2012 21: 37
      +1
      Stupidity, sho.pi.pec! From start to finish. Are you like this in life? laughing
    7. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 35
      -3
      partly you are right, but with the exception of factories, everything was built by advice ... to steal technology is one thing, but uranium enrichment is OTHER .... out of Iran, without our equipment - why the hell ..... after 70 years of nuclear era .... would beat 5 times a day with their foreheads on the floor of the mosque praying for the granting of technology, but besides sparks from the eyes ... well, you understand! ;-)
      1. Karish
        Karish 21 October 2012 19: 12
        +1
        Quote: Lesorub
        out of Iran, without our equipment - why the hell ..... after 70 years of the beginning of the nuclear era .... they would fight 5 times a day with their foreheads on the floor of the mosque praying for the gift of technology, but besides sparks from the eyes ... well you understand ! ;-)
        Reply Quote

        Well, actually it was Pakistan who sold them North. Korea helped
    8. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 21 October 2012 00: 15
      +1
      sxn278619
      But the poor North Korea has a bomb and a rocket.

      Everyone tried to use technologies taken from "neighbors"
      However, many technologies have appeared with us.
      To claim that our scientists were only copyists was either complete ignorance or rude lies.
      "Rockets - Germany?" Include logic. In the United States, the program was developed by the "father" of the German missile program, together with a group of key developers. But we were the first, you Sxn278619, have you heard anything about Korolev? No? Look on the Internet or something.
    9. Raven1972
      Raven1972 21 October 2012 13: 32
      +1
      I answer - in order to create something from the above, you need to have your own specialists and your own experience on these topics ... Give you the drawings and materials now - will you assemble the atomic bomb? NO !!!! And you won’t make a rocket ... In addition, in rocket science, ours went their own way, abandoning German - the result was a satellite in 1957 and Gagarin’s flight at 61 ... How many vandalized were with von Braun?
      And for long-range aviation, thank the "genius" Tukhachevsky, who covered all the work on this topic ... By the way, our Pe-8 was no worse than the American B-25 ...
      Yes, another question - where did you see a low salary rate from a qualified specialist in the USSR?
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 13: 52
        0
        Did the work on long-range aviation hide behind? There were simply more important tasks on the agenda ...
        A heavy Pe-8 could be equal to the average B-25, but I would not be proud of it ...
        I saw a low salary from skilled workers, as I saw, I even received ...
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 21 October 2012 14: 08
          0
          They were hiding behind just the submission of Tukhachevsky ... And why not be proud of the Pe-8? Yes, they were few, this is their only drawback .... And so - a great car !!!!
          And about Z / P - I, a young specialist electronic engineer in the 90th year, received 297 rubles. Bad salary by the standards of the USSR? I would not say ....
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 15: 39
            0
            And I in the 85th master in the workshop received 125 plus harmfulness - so what? How about your salary?
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 21 October 2012 17: 24
              +2
              Harmful work made it possible to retire earlier in the USSR.

              About retirement in the USSR they said different things,
              and in Russia, many do not live to retirement age.

            2. Raven1972
              Raven1972 21 October 2012 18: 38
              0
              And I have a dad in 84m, the regulator CEA received 290-330 rubles. - What, nothing s / n? And the identity is harmful, only they were given milk and not paid extra .... Comrade, welder - 220-270 rubles .... So whoever wanted to work, he earned ... By the way, my mother worked with a friend as a foreman on electroplating / П 220-230 rub .... + for harmfulness + milk ....
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 20: 43
                +1
                You probably don’t know - the milk was separate, and the surcharge for harmful working conditions was separate, depending on the group, the different percentage of the surcharge, I had 10 percent, almost the maximum possible ...
                Still, I was an engineer with a red diploma - I also put a maximum in the plug for this, but the head of OTZ feigned that he hadn’t knocked out the same privilege for himself, so he spread rot and gave everyone a minimum ...
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 21 October 2012 22: 23
                  0
                  They were given milk coupons instead of surcharges, I know for sure .... But on electroplating - yes there, and surcharges and milk ....
                  I sympathize, I have seen enough of such "chiefs" ...
            3. vovan1949
              vovan1949 22 October 2012 16: 12
              0
              In 1974 the salary of a foreman at the Tselinogradselmash plant was 148 rubles, he received it himself, and the rent for a kopeck piece was about 13 rubles. But the workers received 250-380 rubles (he also received it).
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 21 October 2012 20: 11
        0
        But now they have "lost" the technology for the production of refractory bricks. They bought from the Chinese for the Indians. I read it and fell into a stupor. Was this possible in the USSR?
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 20: 43
          +1
          They say that they did not lose, but the rollback for Chinese brick was higher ...
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 22 October 2012 00: 57
            0
            Quote: Brother Sarych "They say that they did not lose, but the rollback for the Chinese brick was higher ..."

            "Answering D. Rogozin's question about what materials were used, A. Dyachkov explained that this was a Chinese-made fireclay brick." Unfortunately, the Russian production of these materials has been lost, "he said. A. Dyachkov also added that the USC prepared a number of proposals for the Indian side, which will compensate for the shift in the delivery of the ship "by nine months to the right."

            http://periskop.livejournal.com/941346.html
        2. Lesorub
          Lesorub 24 October 2012 17: 59
          0
          Well, how then THEN in Russia, all metallurgical furnaces, boilers of TPPs work without refractories? ...
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 28 October 2012 03: 47
            0
            Quote: Lesorub
            "Well, how THEN in Russia, all metallurgical furnaces, boilers of thermal power plants operate without refractories? ..".
            .

            On this issue, it is better to contact D. Rogozin and / or A. Dyachkov.
    10. Prophetic
      Prophetic 25 October 2012 19: 30
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      The basis of most of the achievements of the USSR was Western technology.
      Again, illiterate nonsense. A technology is not a leaflet describing "secrets", but a chain of specific actions worked out in the "metal" for a SPECIFIC technique, specific suppliers and specific materials. Not those that they have in the west, but the one that exists here and now. Everything is different with us. Other GOSTs, other machine tools, other steel grades, even the metric system and that other. We have always lagged behind them, so in most cases their technology was useless. And under Stalin, no one sold us these technologies. Even for gold. Have you heard about the gold embargo, I hope? Yes, communist engineers came, and for a long dollar during the Great Depression, but this is a consequence of the advantages of socialism over capitalism, and not vice versa. After the war, German technology was used as a winner. What, someone did differently? What, the US did not export anything from Germany?
      The US atomic bomb was created through an international (!) Coalition of the best scientists of the time (including German ones) + giant US money. And we are the efforts of scientists of ONE country for a penny. And despite the gigantic inequality of power, our technologies DO NOT COPY western ones. We were aware of their technology, but used our own, many times cheaper. So, we use centrifuges to isolate U235, and the USA, until now, use a much more expensive diffusion method.
      Quote: sxn278619
      Heavy bombers (USA).
      You read at least your idol Rezun about BT3 and do not talk nonsense.
      Quote: sxn278619
      Missiles (Germany).
      Complete nonsense. The GIRD began its work back in 1931, at about the same time as the Germans and with pure enthusiasm. (Germans by order of the government) Despite the fact that Brown himself was at the disposal of the amers, we in the impoverished ruined Russia managed to overtake them, including because we were the first to abandon the longitudinal scheme of Brown, and began to use the transverse one.
      Quote: sxn278619
      Low salaries made it possible to concentrate large resources for solving critical problems.
      These resources have always been one to two orders of magnitude smaller than US resources. We always traveled precisely on the brains and enthusiasm.
      Quote: sxn278619
      But even the impoverished North Korea has a bomb and a rocket.
      Because behind their shoulders were first the USSR, and then China. And by the way, poor Korea is not touched because they have nuclear weapons, and rich Libya without nuclear weapons was rolled into a pancake. So having nuclear weapons is not a whim, but a matter of survival. The United States did not destroy us, not because they did not want to, but because they did not have time. Operation Unthinkable, the Chariotir plan, Fleetwood, etc. heard, I hope?
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 28 October 2012 08: 40
        0
        the impoverished North Korea (in spite of their nuclear weapons with primitive delivery sr), the amers would have rolled out a long time ago if the USSR had not stood behind it at first, and then China ....
  11. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 20 October 2012 17: 04
    +13
    Excerpt from Churchill's speech, dated December 21, 1959 (the year of the 80th anniversary of Stalin)

    “It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials, the country was headed by the genius and unshakable commander Stalin. He was the most outstanding person who impressed our volatile and cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

    Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and inflexible will power, sharp, cruel, merciless in a conversation that even I, brought up here in the British Parliament, could not oppose. Stalin primarily possessed a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of the states of all times and peoples.

    Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He possessed a deep, devoid of any panic, logically meaningful wisdom. He was an invincible master to find in difficult moments the way out of the most hopeless situation. In addition, Stalin at the most critical moments, as well as during the moments of triumph, was equally restrained and never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a vast empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his own enemy. Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world, who accepted Russia with a plow and left it with nuclear weapons. Well, history, people don’t forget such people. ”

    AND REALLY DO NOT FORGET. ONE WITH ENVIRONMENT, OTHER MILITING, THIRD WITH FOAM ON LIPS AND T, D, BUT HE LIVED A LIFE WITH A THINK OF MOTHERLAND, NOT AS AN EXAMPLE WITH OUR CURRENT POLITICAL MANUAL, THERE IS NOT HERE. IT'S AXIOM,
    1. Igor
      Igor 20 October 2012 18: 18
      -13
      Quote: AleksUkr
      genius and unshakable commander Stalin.


      Only a "genius" could come up with the idea of ​​taking away the last piece of bread from his own people, putting them in camps for any disagreement with the policy of the party, h. To kill the children of imprisoned people for political reasons, etc. Only an unshakable commander could threaten so many people in the war.

      Quote: AleksUkr
      BUT HE LIVED A LIFE WITH THOUGHT ABOUT HOMELAND


      Such patriots in general should not be allowed to rule the country.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 October 2012 18: 54
        +4
        Quote: Igorek
        Only a "genius" could come up with the idea of ​​taking the last piece of bread from his own people, putting them in camps for any disagreement with the party's policy

        Otherwise, it was impossible at the gates there was a war, the country was surrounded on all sides by enemies for whom the very concept of socialism was wild, a simple example, only one Karatsup border guard during the service detained 338 border violators, participated in more than 120 clashes with the enemy. Personally destroyed 127 (according to other sources - 129) spies and saboteurs who did not want to surrender. The country should be like a fist, but with us and with the Bolsheviks there was a mess.

        Red Wasp Magazine No. 6, 1924

        “On the eve of the holidays, the Bolshevik authorities ordered the cessation of gambling in all the clubs of the capital. None of the clubs complied with this order. On New Year’s Eve, the club, located in house number 24 on Zhutovsky Street, was fined 45 rubles for allowing the game. ”





        “Our red hussars, the cavalrymen of one of the cavalry regiments in Vladimir, decided to shake the antiquity, swing their full military might, show their brave daring. And showed.

        A group of people heading the cavalry regiment climbed into the "cafe-drinking", got drunk to smithereens, and made a scandal. I beat the waiter and the owner of the cafe for providing an account of 60 rubles for wine and snacks. She demanded from the pianist the hymn "God Save the Tsar." He refused. Then this drunken company masterfully performed the hymn itself, apparently, the old motives were not forgotten. But this disgrace did not end. One of the “gentlemen” of the military decided to ride a horse into a cafe, and when a member of the Executive Committee present here tried to stop him, he tore off his mandate, insulting the entire Executive Committee in the person of the member. Debosh ended up racing along the street of the Third International. ”

        The newspaper "Call", June 3, 1922
        1. Igor
          Igor 20 October 2012 19: 10
          -9
          Quote: Vadivak
          Otherwise it was impossible at the gates there was a war


          When Germany got up from her knees after the First World War, even such an end with ... like Hitler did not think of taking away bread from her people. This Stalin had to hang in the square during his lifetime.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 20 October 2012 19: 50
            +8
            Quote: Igorek
            When Germany got up from its knees after the First World War, even such an end with .. as Hitler did not think of bread to take away from her people


            Hitler's Germany was surrounded by the same cap. countries and it was ruled by private capital; otherwise, he (Adolf Schilkgruber Jew Quartet) would not have come to power

            and yes, Woe was great, but he has his own story

            In the fall of 1924, a rather meager crop was obtained, and the state was unable to purchase enough grain at fixed prices. Fists and private traders bought up grain for subsequent speculative sales at higher prices in spring and summer.
            In May 1925, the state had to pay a double price compared to December last year. But now the USSR was waiting for a high harvest. Industrial development of cities increased, requiring additional food, including grain. Purchase prices from October to December 1925 remained high. But due to the lack of light industry products on the market, prosperous peasants refused to sell wheat. The state was forced to retreat, dropping grain export plans, reducing industrial equipment imports and lowering industrialization lending. (18) These were the first signals of the grain crisis and the confrontation of classes in society.

            In 1926, the grain harvest reached 76,8 million tons, compared to 72,5 last year. The state bought grain at lower prices than in 1925. (19)

            In 1927, the crop fell to the level of 1925. The situation in the cities could hardly be called good. Unemployment was significant and increased as ruined peasants arrived in the city. The difference in pay between workers and specialists increased. Private traders, who controlled half of the meat sales in the cities, shamelessly raised prices. The Soviet Union was again threatened with war after London severed diplomatic ties with Moscow. Bukharin believed that official procurement prices should be raised, and industrialization should be gradually slowed down. According to Davis, "Almost all non-partisan economists supported these conclusions." Stalin understood that threats to socialism came from three sides. Hunger riots could erupt in cities. In the countryside, the kulaks could strengthen their position, thereby making socialist industrialization impossible. Finally, the threat of foreign military intervention was not an empty phrase.
            The decrease in grain crops in 1927 and 1928 by 3,5-4,5 million tons compared to 1926 was due to bad weather conditions. In January 1928, the Politburo unanimously decided to take exceptional measures to seize grain from kulaks and wealthy peasants to prevent hunger in cities. “The discontent of the workers is growing. Tension is growing in the village. The situation looks hopeless. The city needs bread at all costs ”

            Regrettably it sounds, but if the peasants had not been seized, there would have been no USSR, which our neighbors so dreamed about, and not only no one would have helped us, on the contrary, they would have broken like jackals, the same Poland

            But those who took the bread sometimes were just traitors to the Russian people

            What Stalin wrote about,
            “... in the grain procurement campaign of 1931, the district leading party and Soviet bodies rudely perverted the party’s policy, replaced mass political work among collective farmers, individual farmers, poor and middle peasants with naked administration and arbitrariness, allowed kulak-provocative bullying of peasants in a number of villages ...

            Similar ... due to the degeneration of the party leadership ... persecution and expulsion from the party of comrades who condemned ... The judicial and investigative authorities of the region, as well as the RCTs ... obscured the facts ...

            By the way, then they got theirs
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 21 October 2012 01: 48
              +2
              Quote: Igorek
              "When Germany got up from her knees after the First World War, even such an end with ... as Hitler did not think of taking bread from her people."



              And who brought Hitler to power? Or did he organize everything himself?
              But who financed the party of the Nazi Party Hitler, he brought ...

              "In March 1923, Harvard University graduate Ernst (Putzi) Hanfstaengl, an American by his mother whose educated and wealthy family owned an art publishing house in Munich, loaned the party a thousand dollars to pay off the mortgage on the Felkischer Beobachter." In his memoir "The Unheard of Witness" Hanfstaengl writes that he was first sent to Hitler by an American acquaintance, Captain Truman Smith, who at that time was the Assistant Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Berlin.) ... Captain Smith compiled a detailed report, which on November 25, 1922 was sent by the embassy to Washington DC Considering the time of writing the report, it can be considered somewhat unique.
              “The most active political force in Bavaria at the present time,” wrote Smith, “is the National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany. Since it is less a political party than a popular movement, it should be regarded as the Bavarian counterpart of Italian fascism ... In recent months, the party has managed to acquire political influence that clearly does not correspond to its numerical composition ...
              From the very beginning, Adolf Hitler played a dominant role in this movement. There is no doubt that this personality is one of the most important factors contributing to the success of the party ... His ability to influence the broad masses is simply amazing. In a private conversation, Hitler showed himself to be convinced and consistent, and in moments of frankness he made a very deep impression on a neutral listener with his fanaticism. "- Author's note}.
              During the period of inflation, this was a huge sum translated into stamps .. Both the party and its newspaper received enormous financial support. However, the Hanfstaengl family's friendly disposition went beyond providing financial assistance. This was one of the first wealthy families in Munich to open the doors of his house to a boisterous young politician. Putzi became a friend of Hitler and eventually, with the assistance of the Fuhrer, headed the department of foreign information of the Nazi party.

              THE BIRTH OF A NAZI PARTY
              http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/HistoryBook/Rise_Fall/Party.htm
            2. Igor
              Igor 21 October 2012 12: 59
              -2
              Hitler's Germany was surrounded by the same cap. countries and it was ruled by private capital


              These cap. countries also hated Germany as well as the USSR.

              Regrettably it sounds, but if the peasants had not been seized, then there would have been no USSR


              I wish you to feel this in your own skin, I would look at you when people come to your house and take from you and your people the last piece of bread that will be used to pay for sovereign flaccidity, and some person will be 70 years old to prove to another person that if Putin didn’t do that then Russia would fall apart.

              Quote: Vadivak
              What Stalin wrote about,
              “... in the grain procurement campaign of 1931, the district leading party and Soviet bodies rudely perverted the party’s policy, replaced mass political work among collective farmers, individual farmers, poor and middle peasants with naked administration and arbitrariness, allowed kulak-provocative bullying of peasants in a number of villages ...

              Similar ... due to the degeneration of the party leadership ... persecution and expulsion from the party of comrades who condemned ... The judicial and investigative authorities of the region, as well as the RCTs ... obscured the facts ...

              By the way, then they got theirs


              How is it in Russian on the dead to blame)))
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 21 October 2012 19: 19
                +2
                Quote: Igorek
                How is it in Russian on the dead to blame)))




                read who dispossessed, then talk about Russians, although I do not know your nationality


                the directives in connection with the collectivization of the Volga Region (Middle Volga District) were signed by: Secretary of the CPSU (b) of the Khataevich District, PP of the OGPU Baki, Head of the ECO Reifschneiger. The head of this ECU in Ukraine was Blat, PP in Central Asia was Belenky, in Kazakhstan - Karutsky, PP in the Crimea, in the Urals, in Stalingrad - Rapoport, various leadership positions in ECO OGPU were held by Weinstein, Weisager, Volkov (Weiner), Genkin Deutsch , Ershov (Lurie), Slutsky and Tizenberg, Felman was an assistant to the head of the ECU of the OGPU. And a lot of names in positions at the OGPU that are not directly related to the village: deputy chairmen Trilisser and Messing, deputy. beg. GULAG Berman and Pliner, beg. Special Department of the OGPU Leplevsky, Head of the Secret Operational Administration of the Plenipotentiary Representative of the OGPU, Deutsch, Deputy. beg. Special Department Zalin (later head of the NKVD of Kazakhstan), head of special purpose camps (also the construction of the Volga-Moscow-River canal) Kogan, etc.,
            3. vovan1949
              vovan1949 22 October 2012 16: 22
              0
              Well done Vadivak. Learn, Igorek, how to correctly and reasonably respond to comments. + to the author.
    2. SlavaP
      SlavaP 20 October 2012 22: 10
      0
      A cuckoo praises a rooster for praising a cuckoo ...
      Well it is, just for fun.
      Actually respect both.
    3. vovan1949
      vovan1949 21 October 2012 13: 44
      0
      "AND REALLY DO NOT FORGET. ONE WITH ENVY, OTHERS GATHERING, THIRD WITH FOAM ON THE LIPS, ETC, D, BUT HE LIVED LIFE WITH THINKING ABOUT HOMELAND, NOT IN AN EXAMPLE OF OUR PRESENT POLITICAL EXAMPLE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING. , "

      This is them (all anti-Soviet, starting from the western and ending with our democracies) and infuriates. It infuriates that despite their ardent salivation and brainwashing in all media without exception, and constantly and systematically - the vast majority of the population does not accept their deceitful and hypocritical attitudes. Although this scum has achieved much: it has ruined the socialist camp, it has ruined the USSR, it has ruined the economy of all the former republics. Now their task is to ruin Russia.
  12. Onotollah
    Onotollah 20 October 2012 17: 24
    +8
    I get the impression that it is possible to correctly condemn or praise Stalin, Putin, Lenin etc being in their place and having all the information. That is, the correctness of judgments directly correlates with the level of awareness.
    It would be funny if, for example, passengers undertook to discuss the actions of the ship's commander, and even more so to teach him how to operate.
    Well something like that.
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 42
      -2
      Well, what are you ... it is in the Russian-Jewish tradition to harass the rulers, and the Bashibuzuki beat the cauldrons expressing their dissatisfaction ....
  13. KCC
    KCC 20 October 2012 17: 25
    0
    Article plus. Author iolodets.
  14. Waroc
    Waroc 20 October 2012 17: 35
    +7
    Quote: sxn278619
    The basis of most of the achievements of the USSR was Western technology. Industrialization (US plants). Atomic bomb (USA). Heavy bombers (USA). Missiles (Germany). Low salary allowed to concentrate large resources for solving critical tasks. But the poor North Korea also has a bomb and rocket.


    Yeah, it was, but ... This is BUT we will try now and consider:
    1 - Industrialization (US factories) - purchased equipment, technologies (please pay attention - not screwdriver production), built factories according to American projects, BUT - Soviet people worked at these factories (both behind machines and in design bureaus) and after the first copies mastered production of their own products (by the way - the country was bleeding, it was urgent to restore it, there wasn’t enough strength - yes, we acquired the PRODUCTION FACILITIES and TECHNOLOGIES from the west, and then developed independently).
    2 - The atomic bomb (USA) - ah, and the USA directly benefited us - Harry Truman personally immediately after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki flew to Moscow and handed over the documentation of the atomic bomb to Comrade Stalin. Dear inquire - work on atomic weapons in the USSR has been carried out since the beginning of the 20s, and the first atomic explosion was carried out only in1949, and since the bomb was the size of a 4-storey building, it was still not suitable for delivery to enemy territory , and only (I don’t remember the exact date) in the 50s a full-fledged bomb appeared in the USSR. Yes, captured German designers and engineers were involved in the voluntary-compulsory order, well - the winner’s right! BUT the main work, and rather big, I was done on my own!
  15. Waroc
    Waroc 20 October 2012 17: 56
    +4
    Continue)))

    3 - Heavy bombers (USA) - Yes, after the war the Amers bomber copied even to the coffee machine that one of the American pilots forgot, and I repeat - they copied, the reason is the same as with paragraph 1 - Industrialization. BUT further on this basis they continued to create their own.
    4 - Missiles (Germany) - Yes, as in the case of the forcible involvement of the Germans in the creation of atomic weapons, they used German achievements in this field as the winner and created their own space industry. Whether you like it or not, BUT Gagarin is Russian, and the Soviet Union sent him into space, and on a Soviet rocket. But the Germans still did not qualify for it, why, even China could.
    5 - A low salary made it possible to concentrate large resources for solving critical tasks - Yes, I agree, BUT and the prices for the necessities were also penny - only luxury items cost dearly, please be assured. By the way, even now we do not have the biggest salaries, (again) BUT there is no such solution to critical tasks.
    6 - But even the impoverished North Korea has a Bomb and a Rocket - That a bomb, that a rocket (which, by the way, is more difficult) can now almost all be old if desired (such as Bulkin Faso, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg)) great)), and other completely undeveloped and very dwarf states - please do not mention). Technologies of the 50s and 60s are unattainable for all but a narrow circle of powers opposing in these areas, today are almost universally accessible and quite reachable (China, as an example, they wanted and did). BUT even for today the poor in spirit of the country do not strive for a nuclear and space breakthrough (and such are almost all). You don’t need to have a lot of intelligence in the bomb - you need to be able to deliver it to the territory of the enemy, this is a more difficult problem. And by the way, not so impoverished North Korea once has a bomb and a rocket (it would add a bit of accuracy to begin with). It's just that this item is not an indicator - whoever wants it has the nuclear and space industry today, it is much more difficult to develop and create it, and not to go along the beaten track !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 20 October 2012 17: 59
      +3
      They copied not a coffee maker, but a KODAK camera. So the FED-3 camera appeared, which was included in the equipment of each navigator TU-4
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 October 2012 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        So the FED-3 camera appeared,


        Unlikely
        It was produced by the Kharkov industrial engineering association "FED" from 1961 to 1979. created on the basis of (FED 2) A Carcass flew in 1947 but the case itself undoubtedly took place,
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 20 October 2012 19: 05
          +1
          You know some elite versions of cameras were produced in Kiev and Krasnogorsk, based on captured components.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 20 October 2012 19: 56
            +2
            Quote: Alex 241
            some elite versions of cameras were produced in Kiev and Krasnogorsk, based on captured components.


            The first "FED" was a copy of the Leica II, produced by the Kharkov Labor Commune. well, what is Leica Camera AG. this is Germany you know it
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 20 October 2012 19: 58
              +3
              Thank you, I clarified, you are absolutely right, it was just Kodak that was indicated in the source, although the prototype was a watering can.
      2. Lesorub
        Lesorub 20 October 2012 22: 45
        -2
        a boshevsky coffee grinder, too, copied a small-sized washing machine and, and, and ... a lot more!
  16. besser best
    besser best 20 October 2012 18: 02
    +6
    "Stalin did not become a thing of the past. He disappeared into OUR future, as it will not sadden many." Pierre Courtade ....
  17. Waroc
    Waroc 20 October 2012 18: 20
    +4
    I wrote that I remembered - but I remembered incorrectly, thanks for the amendment)))
    But, you see, this does not change the essence)))
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 20 October 2012 18: 22
      +1
      Not at all, on TU-4 there were many incidents, if interested, I will write.
  18. ekebastus
    ekebastus 20 October 2012 18: 24
    +5
    All according to Stalin ....
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as raw appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. Many atrocities will be attributed to me.

    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.

    And yet, no matter how the events develop, time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past. "

    I. Stalin. From the recording of the conversation with A.M. Kollontai, November 1939
    Source: http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t18/t18_267.htm
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 October 2012 18: 49
      -4
      ekebastus
      Bullshit. Just because in 1939, Zionism was absolutely of little interest to any of the serious politicians. Well, really, who in November of 1939 was interested in the fact that the Jews want to create their own state, and this is the only goal of Zionism, and not the delusions voiced in this fake. I'm not saying that Kolontay was a figure extremely not close to Stalin, so that he would talk about anything at all with her.
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 21 October 2012 00: 45
        +1
        Aron, with all due respect, perhaps not dreamers who want to restore Israel, but a very influential group of bankers, the existence of which no one doubted?
        After all, it was the Rothschilds and Rockefellers with the Kuns and Loeb who financed Hitler's party.
        Although this case at the Nuremberg trial reported, it seems, only the Rothschild Bank, but who would doubt that the Fed would allow it to act without a general agreement?
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 02: 01
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        "Nonsense. Just because in 1939 Zionism was absolutely of little interest to any of the serious politicians."


        There are no jokes with Jews. And this is not a joke.

        "The Jewish Conspiracy is British Imperialism."
        http://natalicoco.ru/evrejskij-zagovor-eto-britanskij-imperializm/

        "This article is devoted to the topic of Stalin's attitude towards Jews and the Jewish question."
        http://traditio-ru.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%B8_%D0%B5%D
        0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B8

        Wife Kalinina - Ekaterina Yoganovna (Ivanovna) Lorberg - Estonian (often claim to be Jewish without evidence)
        Andreeva's wife - Dora Moiseevna Khazan - Jewish
        Molotov's wife - Polina Semyonovna Pearl (Pearl Semyonovna Karpovskaya) - Jewish
        Voroshilov's wife - Ekaterina (Golda) Davidovna Gorbman - Jewess (baptized before the wedding)
        Kirov's wife - Maria L. Marcus - Jewish
        Kuibyshev's wife - Evgenia Solomonovna Kogan - Jewish
        It is worth noting that most of these wives (wives of Kalinin, Andreev, Molotov, Kuibyshev) were subsequently repressed.

        Stalin's Secretary Boris Bazhanov, who fled to the West, writes that Stalin after the Civil War in order to avoid accusations of anti-Semitism he took as his assistants the Jews Mehlis and Gregory Kanner. (Kanner was repressed in 1937, later shot).
        The number of Stalin’s closest assistants also included Jews Aron Herzenberg and Ilya Trainin, and the Jew Karl Pauker became the head of the personal guard (Herzenberg and Pauker were repressed, Trainin became an academician
    2. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 20 October 2012 21: 08
      +3
      For ekebastus
      Good afternoon! As far as I know, Stalin stood at the origins of the creation of modern Israel. At that time, the pro-German mood was strong in the Arab world, and apparently he wanted to have a bridgehead of influence in this region. Both weapons and volunteers from the Soviet army were supplied there.
      Alexander 1958
    3. hypnosis
      hypnosis 20 October 2012 22: 09
      -5
      The source of your opus is simply enchanting! )
  19. tarks
    tarks 20 October 2012 18: 52
    +5
    we have to defeat the sirens. inspiring us that we are suckers.

    everyone who speaks ill of us should be checked at least until the second, third knee.

    and much will fall into place.
  20. segamegament
    segamegament 20 October 2012 18: 52
    +9
    According to the certificate prepared in February 1954 by the Prosecutor General of the USSR R. Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin for Khrushchev, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954, i.e. for 33 years 3 people were convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military College, courts and military tribunals, including 777 people were sentenced to death.
    (Source: D. Lyskov. Stalinist repression, The great lies of the twentieth century. - M: Yauza, Eksmo, 2009)

    And where are the "trillions" of the executed Messrs. Liberasty ???
    1. vovan1949
      vovan1949 21 October 2012 17: 22
      -1
      Many of those sentenced were pardoned and the execution was replaced by the deadlines.
  21. Mikhado
    Mikhado 20 October 2012 19: 31
    0
    Many in the comment again forgot what the article was about.
  22. Mikhado
    Mikhado 20 October 2012 19: 34
    +7
    Many in the comments forgot what the article was about.
    Sorry for the option of a picture - in a hurry I was looking.
    1. Piligrim
      Piligrim 20 October 2012 21: 21
      -3
      And when will we live as people? Or will we still fly, swim, prepare for a war, exterminate "enemies" in our country, the same as ourselves?
      maybe this idiocy is enough already?
      Admit, already to yourself, that they lived shitty! and if you lived as you all sing here, the world would not follow the USA and Europe, but us. And the union would not have crashed under our friendly applause. And owls. camp, but that camp, republics like cockroaches scattered from takono "happiness" - hungry and naked, but with a nuclear bomb. you can't put it on bread. and you can't pull it on your backside! And then people want to live now. And you are all in the "bright future - in the bright future", where is this future?
      And the hototie then you-Cuba and the DPRK. , the last dinosaurs of this erroneous branch of the political system called socialism, which managed to bring the long-suffering Russia! (although not without the help of Germany, of course!)
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 21 October 2012 00: 53
        +1
        Pilgrim, it's time for you to pilgrim from "this country".
  23. vu-orlov
    vu-orlov 20 October 2012 19: 41
    +2
    You know what I will say, but my relatives were exiled as fists during collectivization from Siberia. But now comparing the lives of Us and those relatives who stayed in the Tula Oblast, you understand that we live well and we have everything, but they still do not have electricity. That's it.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 20 October 2012 21: 13
      +5
      Quote: vu-orlov
      and they still have no electricity. That's it.


      Putin has been in power for twenty years, and Stalin is to blame
      1. segamegament
        segamegament 21 October 2012 00: 40
        0
        Come on twenty ....!?!? Putin came to power immediately after Malenkov at the age of two and everything rules and rules and rules ...
  24. zz2003_1974
    zz2003_1974 20 October 2012 20: 42
    +1
    I don’t think that I.V. Stalin did not realize what he was doing, and what price he was paying, how many lives, He sacrificed his name for our free and independent future !!! GLORY comrade STALIN and ALL THE HEROIC SOVIET PEOPLE !!!!!!!!
  25. Rossmk
    Rossmk 20 October 2012 21: 09
    +5
    The USSR was the greatest power and even not the greatest in history. For this it was a country of dreams, which is realized through work, a strong soul and faith in the future. I don’t remember any country with the same great people, naturally, not counting the territories of the former USSR and the Russian Empire, for the matter is not in the name.
  26. s1н7т
    s1н7т 20 October 2012 22: 05
    +1
    The author is well done! The article is a fat plus!
    And "an incurably great country" is generally a pearl! laughing
    As for Stalin, judging him by Solzhenitsyn and our "democrats" is a sign of mental retardation.
    1. Septugian
      Septugian 20 October 2012 22: 20
      -9
      And who judges by Solzhenitsyn and the Democrats? Have you heard about the city of Vorkuta? I grew up there and know its history, without Solzhenitsyn and EBNovtsev, I also know from what failure the Second World War began, and I don’t have to attribute the victory to the mustachioed cockroach, the Russian people won it! Or maybe you didn’t know that before Kantaria the Russian flag was hung out, but in order to please Stalin they decided to make a present, they also said that the Georgians were there, they were late, because they constantly poked behind the Russians, it’s they who flock on the markets for one hero, yes attack unarmed ostetins, and in real life they immediately crap, like in the distant years of the Second World War, with rare exceptions!
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 20 October 2012 23: 40
        +2
        Quote: Septugian
        Or maybe you didn’t know that before Kantaria the Russian flag was hung out, but in order to please Stalin they decided to make a present, they said there was a Georgian too, they were, but they were late, because they constantly poked behind the Russians, it’s they’re a pack of heroes in the markets Yes, they attack the unarmed Ostetins, but in real life they immediately crap, as in the distant years of the Second World War, with rare exceptions!

        Yes, my friend, you yourself do not know that ostory. Not one Georgian, but THREE people. If you take the military ranks, then Ukrainian, Russian and Georgian.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 20 October 2012 23: 44
          +1
          The very first one set up a Russian scout, his face flickers on the footage of the chronicle, I don’t remember his name, but the nickname was the Reichstag, he was cheated by awards and honors, fabricated a case, sent to prison, then he drank himself and hanged himself.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 21 October 2012 22: 04
        0
        I don’t even want to comment on this. Vodka? Drugs?)))
        And no one hung the banner, it was "hoisted" (so it seems))) You will hang out your laundry on the balcony!
  27. SBorisS
    SBorisS 20 October 2012 22: 24
    -9
    Reading the comments of the forum, I sometimes wonder: where are so many people from here who do not know their own history. People who consider killing millions to be the norm. People not only justifying the blood, but also demanding it as an urgent need.
    Only one thing pleases. You guys are such @ whips, thank goodness very, very few. And no matter how much you bristle on this forum, with your silly looks you no one needs @ y and will eventually die out due to natural reasons.
    Like this. Amen.
    1. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 21 October 2012 01: 07
      +3
      SBorisS Washed out all over his head, it's not okay to believe bastards who dream of distorting the history of our country, you need to believe facts, documents and not bought "historians" who will prove to you dear that your (and my, of course) ancestors are well pure animals or stupid sheep, and a place for all of us to kneel in front of the "Magnificent West" and look with delight in their mouths, what else will they "smart" say about us.
      And they say that the total number of Stalinist victims is 150 million.
      Here is how! He exterminated everyone! The last soldier, the shooter, like a faithful Stalinist, fired a bullet into his forehead. Believe them, believe.
      Ordinary Americans give such numbers, where did they get them from?
  28. Septugian
    Septugian 20 October 2012 22: 35
    -8
    So, because of the mustachioed executioner, such things happen on the site! Well, pray, only if he suddenly rises, don’t grumble later, there’s no time to sit on the clave on the Internet, you won’t be able to get an Internet connection, and you won’t have time !
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 20 October 2012 23: 45
      +4
      ... you were a sinful fishing rod, the Internet is the same means of communication as mail and the telegraph, but as you noticed, Stalin did not destroy them, and it would not be bad at all to make any clerks really work.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 21 October 2012 04: 42
        0
        Quote: Septugian
        "... do not murmur later, there will be no time to sit on the keyboard to beat off on the Internet, the Internet will not be ..."
        .

        But in 1913, which was considered successful for the Russian Empire, there was neither the Internet, nor mobile communications, nor television. Radio and telephone are only for the elite.
        And in 1917 there was no Internet, no mobile communications, no television. Phone only in large cities and at the forefront.
  29. Felix200970
    Felix200970 20 October 2012 23: 34
    +5
    And I really liked the article. Positive article. Just today there was a dispute with my mother-in-law. I was born in 1970. She was 1940. It was argued which of us lived better in the USSR. My argument was that they still didn’t live very well, since they basically restored the country after the war. And my generation had everything. Work - no problem. Education - just go and learn. Everything that was declared by the Constitution was real. In the current constitutions, this is also declared, but only on paper, but in practice you yourself know how.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 20 October 2012 23: 39
      +1
      The problem of any law in our country is that it is not necessarily supported by its implementation ...
  30. lorvig
    lorvig 21 October 2012 00: 28
    -13
    Comrades Stalinists! The descendants of oak trees, popkars and guards, you were not in Chechnya and other places, you were not on the barricades, paranoia is a characteristic feature of you and your leader, you have all enemies, you even have rhetoric not fighting, you need to plant everyone , shoot, destroy, your ancestors did not fight in WWII, they were in the custody of the convicts, the NKVD, and sexots. You received the gene pool from them, and yet the creatures stranded and got to the front - they gave up and in prisoner of war camps became what they were - by the guard. What? is it unknown to you? but I know. And all you can do is spray the poison of betrayal and hatred around you while hiding. On the battlefield, the last Stalinist half-soldiers died in 1979. I personally beat them and I will say more, for all my active fighting life (23 years) I have not seen lower creatures. Even the Allahakbarites and 14-year-old Papuans were dying more worthily. So do not go out of breath - proven by the battle who you are, worthy of your leader, you have a place in North Korea.
    1. sir
      sir 21 October 2012 06: 53
      +2
      lorvig do you think that everyone who sat under Stalin didn’t sit deservedly? Or did they all plant Stalin? I don’t argue, there’s a lot of blood on him, but now there’s democracy and the country is in the ass
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 13: 24
        0
        You are wrong, these are the people in f * ck.
    2. arkady149
      arkady149 21 October 2012 09: 13
      0
      Who are you, fighting and warring lorving? Why do you allow yourself such a tone, you seem to me a troll small with a huge ... inferiority complex.
    3. vovan1949
      vovan1949 21 October 2012 11: 33
      0
      One more ...... "I personally beat them and I will say more, in all my active combat life (23 years) I have not seen lower creatures."
    4. AAA
      AAA 21 October 2012 12: 37
      +1
      Something you sir saliva strongly, don’t. Please rub your sneakers and read carefully what people write - no one says that Stalin was a sinless ideal. But in your mood, it seems that you are ready to immediately demolish all the boshes. In Chechnya and on the barricades which side were you on? Yes, it seems that all the gentlemen have been defeated in the old England. Rambo you write more with a 23-year-old fighting life, it’s so interesting to read you.
    5. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 13: 09
      +2
      Quote: lorvig
      I personally beat them and I will say more, for all my active fighting life

      One such "hero" provided Yeltsin with a tank - as a tribune; the second did not comply with the order, in fact, committed treason and for this was appointed by the Ministry of the Russian Federation; the third gave the order to shoot the parliament of the Russian Federation from tanks (like the Nazis in Chile); the fourth sold information to the bandits about our troops for "bucks"; the next one robbed almost the whole country with the help of vouchers --- if you list EVERYTHING that was done to destroy the USSR and Russia by SUCH HEROES, the keyboard will fail. In all my active combat life (21 years old), I have not seen lower critters am
      Yes, I forgot another protagonist awarded the traitor of the Motherland - the highest order of Russia and freed from criminal prosecution.
  31. suharev-52
    suharev-52 21 October 2012 00: 58
    +8
    The article is a big plus. A very competent, well-reasoned article. To argue is more expensive for yourself. But the role of Stalin has already been appreciated by history. And all attempts to "de-Stalinize" the country that have been and are being made (remember Aifonchik) are doomed to failure. I, too, considered it a sinful thing that today's young people are a lost generation, until I spoke with them frankly several times. Yes, these guys will not go into battle shouting "for Putin", but if need be, they will stand up for their Motherland. Thanks again to the author for the excellent article. Well, let's forgive the professional "losers" that are on the site. For as it is said: "If there is no mind, then you cannot buy it" Sincerely.
  32. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 21 October 2012 08: 49
    +2
    Nothing. The country will be back soon. There is no other way and cannot be.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 17: 10
      0
      I would very much like to, but the local princes and "democrats" will be categorically against. It's a pity, but the revolution is not possible now !.
  33. ryadovoi
    ryadovoi 21 October 2012 09: 39
    0
    Children are flowers of life. What I wanted yesterday is already today and I agree that the country needs a rise, and factories and plants and high-tech industries, but Turkey and gadgets are also good, there should be no gap between then and today. As Vysotsky sang, "the earth hid for a while ...". In perestroika times, I wanted one thing - we got it, now I want something else, and God forbid that it come true, what the youth wants today.
  34. Aleksey43
    Aleksey43 21 October 2012 09: 43
    0
    A little bit about our (my) childhood ...
  35. Raiven
    Raiven 21 October 2012 10: 38
    0
    ban these already associated elements
  36. AAA
    AAA 21 October 2012 10: 41
    +3
    Vysotsky sang well about Stalin's times: "There was a time and there were cellars, there was a case and prices were reduced, and channels flowed where necessary, and at the end where they needed to flow ..."
  37. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 21 October 2012 11: 53
    +4
    Oh lorvig, lorvig! What trash gave birth to you? Or maybe brought up? You are not worthy to be called a man. The poison is whipping from you. During the war, patriots died FOR THE MOTHERLAND !, FOR STALIN! There was no alternative. These two slogans were not separable. You spat on the most sacred thing - the memory of those millions of Soviet people who voluntarily went to the front and gave their lives FOR THE MOTHERLAND, FOR STALIN. Those people, thanks to whose feat, WE ARE ALIVE, and you including. At the time of critical situation with the slogans "For the Motherland!", "For Stalin!" commanders, political workers, simple warriors inspired fighters, raised their faith in victory over the enemy ... "
    1. AAA
      AAA 21 October 2012 13: 10
      -1
      Aleks, it’s in his head that it looks like the last gyrus straightened up, well, what to take from a wretched person, this is from his active fighting life (23 years). Diagnosis is a stormy schizophrenia. You can’t let him out anymore on barricades.
  38. Vladimir
    Vladimir 21 October 2012 14: 14
    +1
    Thank you, an amazingly encouraging and patriotic article, like a breath of clean air, and then after watching this video http://pleskov.com/?p=3334 you can become discouraged or want to use physical force over the culprits of this satanism, only here’s the center of them to be in the states
  39. Lesorub
    Lesorub 21 October 2012 14: 49
    +1
    One strip on test chasing IT is not a cause for concern? laughing here if - three ....
  40. Lesorub
    Lesorub 21 October 2012 16: 48
    -9
    comrades communists - STALINISTS, "zvezduite" - you are from modern Russia in a slender column ("hands behind your back, step left and right - an attempt to escape ..." - a kick without warning! ))) through China to the DPRK or swim to the island of Freedom! And be - HAPPY! [/ B]
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2012 17: 26
      +2
      rather we will give you a kick
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 22 October 2012 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

        rather we will give you a kick

        Give it a try! The corpses are political, this is not your country - you passed your own!
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 21 October 2012 17: 58
      0
      There are more and more Stalinists every day, and less liberals, no matter how you lubricate the ski, it will not be easy, it will be necessary to repair the half-mast, they will calculate the spent, maybe they will kick and it’s also not a fact what to warn
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 October 2012 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Lesorub
      through China to the DPRK or swim to Liberty Island

      Our island is here, but what are you doing Izzy is not clear here
  41. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 21 October 2012 17: 06
    0
    You are in a catastrophic minority, it is better for you to go to the mainland of "freedom". Belenko, Kalugin, Berezovsky and others are already there. Bon voyage, you and your ilk, the Motherland will breathe a sigh of relief and the air will become cleaner.
  42. Stary oper
    Stary oper 21 October 2012 19: 17
    +2
    I already said something here. Let everyone try to honestly answer a few questions for themselves.
    1. Would he like to live during the reign of Stalin?
    2. Are you ready to personally become that "bargaining chip" for achieving great goals?
    3. Did the socialism system win the historical confrontation with the decaying west?
    4, Are not dreams of reconstruction of the USSR utopian, in the context of growing nationalism (in all republics) and a low standard of living in Russia (as a center of attraction)?
    Here, I see, there are many opponents of Putin, but he correctly said: "Whoever does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And whoever wants to restore it in its former form has no head."
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 22 October 2012 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Stary oper
      I already said something here. Let everyone try honestly answer a few questions for themselves

      History has no subjunctive mood. Nevertheless, the first three questions can be answered - yes. If you doubt the third question, remember the name of which countries left the word socialist (s)? In which countries are the communist parties in power? Let huge concessions to the private sector be made there, it is too early to celebrate the victory of the decaying west!
      To question 4, you can say: yes, it is unlikely. But Stalin coped with the detailed task in conditions much more difficult.
  43. urich
    urich 21 October 2012 20: 34
    0
    Good article. More precisely, the author is well vyskazal EXACTLY HIS, AUTHOR's opinion !. And the topic offends people so much. which leaves no one indifferent! I will support the old opera, which remembered Putin's quote: "Whoever does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And those who want it to be restored in its former form have no head."

    Plyusanul author and opera. As well as many green ones. I won’t talk about the Reds.
    1. vovan1949
      vovan1949 22 October 2012 16: 34
      0
      Here the keyword is ... in its original form. And capitalism is already rotting, although it has always been rotten. We are shown the tip of the iceberg.
      1. Stary oper
        Stary oper 22 October 2012 20: 27
        +2
        vovan1949
        It rots from the 16th century. Here is the tenacious ... :)
  44. Region71
    Region71 21 October 2012 20: 44
    +4
    At the final exams, the 11th grade was lowered for the daughter’s essay. We went to the region to submit for review. We go to the commission. The topic of the essay is the role of the personality in history. The daughter wrote about I.V. Stalin. I liked the composition, everything is clear, well-founded. I ask why the answer is underestimated. The lady’s answer killed me. WELL THE SAME PERSONALITY OF STALIN, I NEED TO WRITE ABOUT PUTIN OR OUR GOVERNOR DUDKU. About the first I will not say anything, the second historical person is now removed from her post and is under investigation. So now I want to look into this madame's eyes and ask: since when has the thieves in authority become? For me, my daughter wrote everything correctly, and there were enough points to go to the Moscow Institute on a budget.
  45. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 October 2012 21: 23
    +1
    “I have already said something here. Let everyone try to honestly answer a few questions for themselves.
    1. Would he like to live during the reign of Stalin?
    2. Are you ready to personally become that "bargaining chip" for achieving great goals?
    3. Did the socialism system win the historical confrontation with the decaying west?
    4, Are not dreams of reconstruction of the USSR utopian, in the context of growing nationalism (in all republics) and a low standard of living in Russia (as a center of attraction)?
    Here, I see, there are many opponents of Putin, but he rightly said: "Whoever does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And whoever wants to restore it in its former form has no head."

    1. Youth can not be returned to anyone.
    2. "Among the Russian people there will always be a dozen people who are so devoted to their ideas and so passionately feel the misfortune of their homeland that it is not sacrifice for them to die for their cause. Such people cannot be intimidated by anything." From a speech at the trial of Alexander Ulyanov. I am against terrorist actions. But how is it said?
    3. In the 70s, I accidentally came across a book by one of the economists, alas, I do not remember the name. He expressed an idea, which then struck me greatly. Capitalism and socialism will merge into one formation. Where would be the social achievements in the West, if not for the USSR? So, it's too early to talk about the loss of socialism.
    4. Here you are right. Why return to the past? One must live by analyzing errors.
    1. Stary oper
      Stary oper 21 October 2012 22: 31
      +2
      Was mammoth
      The answer to the first question does not imply a return to youth. You just have to tell yourself yes or no.
      The second one. Yes, of course, people were fanatically loyal to the idea, their beliefs and ready for everything for their sake, have always been. But do they make up as a percentage in life the same percentage as Stalin's supporters on this site?
      Third. The theory of "people's enterprises" and proposals for the modernization of capitalism on this basis were put forward by US economists in the fifties and found their embodiment somewhat later, which resulted in a significant increase in labor productivity.
      And I completely agree that errors should be analyzed. Like the tragic pages of his story so that they do not happen again.
  46. 916-th
    916-th 21 October 2012 21: 36
    +7
    The USSR and modern Russia are two big differences. And it is not a matter of economic or military power - these are indicators of the development of any state, including, for example, the United States.

    There are other criteria for comparing the Soviet Union and Russia of our time. It's about the goals and means of achieving them.

    The Soviet Union had GREAT GOALS that united people into one community, regardless of their place of residence, nationality and other things. Everyone could cross the country from end to end and plunge into the same atmosphere, if you like, the aura of camaraderie, confidence in the future and pride in their HOMELAND. The USSR was brought up by the command and administrative means and methods of achieving this goal. It was not possible to drive the people into a happy future with an "iron hand". The hand gradually turned from iron into a sticky and sweaty paw, striving to get into the common bins.

    The crisis in the means and methods of governing the country rose to full height in the 80s. Then there was a chance to switch to the USSR-2 without changing the socio-economic formation. Unfortunately, the restructuring went according to a different scenario, along with the dirty water, the child was thrown out. Now Russia, like a relay baton, having consistently passed through the hands of "democratic" leaders, has neither one nor the other - neither a CLEAR and GREAT GOAL, nor a clear means of achieving it. Pre-election promises don't count.
    1. Stary oper
      Stary oper 21 October 2012 23: 15
      +1
      .
      I completely agree. There was a chance to change. But why didn’t it come true?
      There is, of course, a whole range of reasons, but the main one, in my opinion, is the monopoly on truth represented by the CPSU. The lack of healthy political competition has resulted in the moral decay of a certain part of the party elite. See if the same Chubais was a party member? Yes. Was Berezovsky a member of the party? Yes. Was Gaidar a member of the party? Again, yes. And how many Komsomol leaders have also joined the privatization process with youthful enthusiasm? I am not talking about many honest communists. But it happened. That is, in that situation, the CPSU practically committed political suicide. And against the backdrop of economic problems associated with, among other things, low labor productivity, ineffective management, neglect of consumption as one of the main "engines" of the economy (and at the end of the 80s the Iron Curtain fell and not only party bosses knew how the same workers in the west) and the country collapsed.
      1. 916-th
        916-th 21 October 2012 23: 40
        0
        Old Opera: a monopoly on truth in the face of the CPSU

        Indeed, the CPSU was a monopolist, and not only in politics, but also in economic spheres, it licked the so-called party-economic asset. But this is on the one hand. On the other hand, these parties are now a dime a dozen. Especially after Medvedev's "demobilization" law on the registration of mini-parties.

        But is this easier? It seems to me that the root is in another, and not in one-party system, multi-party system ...
  47. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 October 2012 21: 49
    0
    916th ..
    He studied at school 39. Then he lived on Gagarin. Sometimes nostalgia happens
    1. 916-th
      916-th 21 October 2012 23: 25
      0
      Mammoth: If we are talking about Alma-Ata, then the 39th and Gagarin Avenue are in place. True, everything has changed ...
  48. Ros
    Ros 21 October 2012 23: 15
    +4
    Good day to all!
    I lived with advice ...
    and stood in lines for groceries (after school - the 2nd shift - 1st grade) and went to Anapa with his mother - mother alone - father died ... and all this in the village ...
    and the goal was - I wanted to become an astronaut ...
    and then the collapse - you can buy everything you want - but there is no money ...
    and in alliance, mom and grandmother had a TV)
    at school they were preparing for the institute - and at the institute - hell knows what (
    came to the diploma supervisor (2004), I ask - where will they distribute me ?, and he answers - but to me Fuck!
    this is normal?
    but in the USSR everyone knew that they would be busy!
  49. ded_73
    ded_73 22 October 2012 09: 52
    -6
    So what? This tribe is young, writing about Stalin, that way, in five or seven years, on the way to PERSONAL success will not go over the heads, will not exude tons of dirt? And some of them will not destroy everyone in their path, with such a teacher? There really is a difference - the one for ideological reasons, and these are for money. And so it’s the same. Oranges will not be born from aspen and the gene cannot be crushed with a finger.
  50. Cebep0317
    Cebep0317 22 October 2012 14: 14
    0
    Very positive article, thanks. )
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