Successful design and solid age: the potential of the D-30 howitzer

162
Successful design and solid age: the potential of the D-30 howitzer
Howitzer D-30 of the Caspian Coastal Troops flotilla in training, February 2021


The 122-mm towed howitzer D-30 or 2A18 was adopted by the Soviet Army in 1960, and a few years later, deliveries of such weapons foreign countries. Despite its considerable age, the howitzer in the original and modernized version shows high tactical, technical and operational characteristics. It still retains sufficient potential and, with proper use, remains a convenient and effective fire weapon.



Perspective sample


The development of the future D-30 howitzer has been carried out in the Perm Design Bureau-9 since the spring of 1954. The goal of the project was to create a new 122-mm howitzer to replace the existing M-30 mod. 1938. The customer demanded to improve the firing characteristics, as well as to provide circular aiming without moving the gun.

The project used a number of bold new solutions, but its development took about a year. In 1955, the manufacture and testing of experimental guns began. Fine-tuning the design lasted for several years, and the howitzer passed state tests only at the end of the fifties. On May 12, 1960, the gun was put into service under the designations 2A18 and D-30.


Perm Plant No. 9 quickly mastered the mass production of the new howitzer. Serial products were actively supplied to the artillery units of the ground, coastal and airborne troops, where they gradually replaced the obsolete M-30s.

In the second half of the seventies, based on the experience of operating and using the first version of 2A18, a project for the modernization of the D-30A / 2A18M was developed. This project included a minimal change in the original design, but the replacement of individual parts made it possible to increase some characteristics. In the future, the guns of the two modifications were operated in parallel.

New variants of the howitzer were also developed. The most successful was the 122-mm 2A31 gun for the 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled gun. It was produced in a large series and massively fell into ground artillery units. Several domestic upgrade options did not reach the series. In addition, foreign states tried to carry out their own modernization.

The active operation of the D-30A in the Russian armed forces continued until the beginning of the tenth years. Since 2013, 122-mm towed howitzers of the ground forces have begun to be replaced with similar self-propelled systems. At the same time, the D-30A products remained in service with the Airborne Forces as a relatively light and mobile weapon with the possibility of parachute landing.


Training salute division of the Southern Military District. D-30A howitzers are used. February 2020

Since the sixties, D-30 (A) howitzers have been exported. Such weapons were received by the ATS states, as well as friendly countries of Asia and Africa. In addition, Soviet howitzers went to independent countries in the post-Soviet space. In total, 30-60 countries and a number of armed formations have or had D-65s.

Technical features


The D-30 product is a towed howitzer on a carriage of an original design, designed for direct fire and from covered positions. In the stowed position, the gun has a length of 5,4 m and a mass of approx. 3,3 tons. The towing of the gun is carried out using the tractor MT-LB, Ural-4320, etc. Carriage speed - up to 60 km / h. Calculation - 6 people.

The D-30 has a rifled barrel with a caliber of 122 mm and a length of 35 klb with a muzzle brake. The first modification used a slotted brake with a hinged towing beam. In the D-30A project, a new two-chamber brake with a rigidly fixed beam was introduced. The breech accommodates a semi-automatic wedge gate moving vertically. Hydropneumatic recoil devices are used; their cylinders are covered with an armor casing.


During training to deploy weapons

The howitzer received an original carriage that provides circular horizontal guidance. The lower machine of such a carriage has three beds, bred in different directions and fixed with coulters. In the center of the machine there is a jack for lifting the tool, which simplifies the work with the beds. A sprung wheel travel is provided; when firing, the wheels are hung above the ground. The upper carriage machine has a traditional design with guidance drives and a shield cover.

The gun can fire in any direction. Elevation angles vary from -7° to +70°. In this case, the maximum angles are achieved only when the breech is located between the movable beds - with the maximum stability of the system.

From the point of view of fire control, the D-30 practically does not differ from other guns of that time. For direct fire, the OP-4M telescopic sight is used. Panorama PG-1 is intended for closed positions. Sights and pointing flywheels, as well as the trigger lever are located on the upper machine on the left.


Preparing for shooting. A jack is visible, which simplifies the calculation work

The D-30(A) howitzer uses the entire domestic range of 122-mm separate-loading rounds. The main ones are high-explosive fragmentation projectiles of a number of types weighing 21,7 kg. The gun accelerates them to 690 m / s and sends them to 15,2 km. An active-rocket projectile flies 21,9 km. It is possible to use cumulative, smoke and other ammunition, as well as guided projectiles. Rate of fire - 6-8 rds / min.

Causes of longevity


At the time of its introduction, the D-30 howitzer was in every respect superior to the existing 122 mm systems. Advantages in technical, combat and operational characteristics were obtained through a number of original solutions and technologies. In addition, they created a reserve for the future, thanks to which the D-30 is still relevant and retains its place in many armies.

Significant advantages over the existing M-30 were obtained through the use of new materials and technologies. In addition, the original design of the carriage made its contribution. So, in the stowed position, the new D-30 was about 200 mm shorter than the M-30 - when using a longer barrel. The D-30 was 150-200 kg heavier than the existing howitzer, but this was offset by the lack of a limber.

The D-30 howitzer can be used with different tractors. This function can, in fact, be assigned to any vehicle with sufficient load capacity and hook traction. The tractor must tow the gun on roads and terrain, as well as transport the crew and ammunition in standard containers. The Airborne Forces can parachute 2M18(M) howitzers on existing parachute platforms, which is facilitated by the limited weight and size.


Driver at work. Used panorama PG-1 for firing from closed positions

The carriage of the original design with three beds was designed to provide circular horizontal guidance - none of the previous domestic howitzers had such capabilities. Thanks to this carriage, the transfer of fire at large angles does not require the movement of the entire gun. At the same time, it was possible to maintain the possibility of firing on hinged trajectories.

A wide range of compatible ammunition for various purposes has been created for the 2A18(M) howitzer. With their help, guns can hit a variety of targets or solve other tasks at ranges of more than 15 km and up to 22 km. The same ammunition is used by the 2S1 self-propelled gun. This simplifies the supply of artillery units and the joint use of different types of guns.

In recent years, it has been possible to further increase the combat effectiveness of howitzers. Units with such weapons received modern fire control systems, communications and data transmission. New devices speed up the process of obtaining target designation, generating data for firing and striking.

Despite the specific design of the carriage and the perfection of the artillery unit, the D-30(A) howitzer is not difficult to operate. The prepared calculation is able to use it in any conditions and show good results. Deployment takes minimal time; the main maintenance operations are carried out by calculation.


D-30A battery volley

The D-30 howitzer is also known for its high reliability. The experience of conflicts in recent decades shows that this product can work effectively in different conditions and successfully perform fire missions. With proper use, breakdowns are practically eliminated, and possible problems are corrected in a regular way.

Proven benefits


Thus, in the late fifties, Soviet designers were able to create a more than successful howitzer. Through the use of a number of original technical ideas, it was possible to obtain high performance characteristics - as well as the potential for further upgrades and long service life. And the results of all this can be seen right now.

Despite its great age, the D-30 / 2A18 howitzer remains in service with many countries and is actively used in various conflicts. It can be assumed that the operation of such weapons will continue for several more decades. This is facilitated by both a large number of existing guns and their high technical potential.
162 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +8
    13 September 2022 16: 14
    The D-30 product is a towed howitzer on a carriage of an original design, designed for direct fire and from covered positions. In the stowed position, the gun has a length of 5,4 m and a mass of approx. 3,3 tons. The towing of the gun is carried out using the tractor MT-LB, Ural-4320, etc. Carriage speed - up to 60 km / h. Calculation - 6 people.
    Rate of Fire - 6-8 rds / min.

    And not a word, not a word about the time of deployment, and most importantly, in a conflict where not only natives with folding bows.
    1. +1
      13 September 2022 16: 27
      Quote: Gvardeetz77
      And not a word, not a word about the deployment time

      Performance characteristics:
      Howitzer rate of fire: 6-8 rds / min
      Transfer time from traveling to combat: 1,5-2,5 minutes
      Maximum transport speed: 60 km/h

      Not a word was said about the calculation of six people and the binding of the firing position ...
      Where, where, how...
      1. +2
        13 September 2022 16: 34
        Quote: yuriy55
        Quote: Gvardeetz77
        And not a word, not a word about the deployment time

        Performance characteristics:
        Howitzer rate of fire: 6-8 rds / min
        Transfer time from traveling to combat: 1,5-2,5 minutes
        Maximum transport speed: 60 km/h

        I know this a little myself, it’s just that it’s not voiced in the article, so as not to get uncomfortable questions about having time to learn an “answer” from someone who has modern counter-battery systems and approval for this answer “does not go up 5 instances, and then so many or down...
        1. -1
          13 September 2022 16: 43
          Quote: Gvardeetz77
          I know this a little myself, it’s just that it’s not voiced in the article, so as not to get uncomfortable questions

          I have something else:
          1. When moving in a tractor, how are the calculation and ammunition protected / separated?
          2. How long does it take to:
          In recent years, it has been possible to further increase the combat effectiveness of howitzers. Units with such weapons received modern fire control systems, communications and data transmission. New appliances accelerate target acquisition process, generating data for shooting and striking.
          1. 0
            2 November 2022 13: 56
            1. When moving in a tractor, how are the calculation and ammunition protected / separated?

            IMHO, everything without the letter "C" is generally not very necessary in modern combat. At least in art duels for sure
        2. +3
          14 September 2022 00: 27
          Gvardeetz77 There are no 5 instances there. At the beginning of the shelling, the senior officer of the battery reports to the command post of the division, with which there is direct communication. Another battery is commanded from the command post of the division, which begins counter-counter fire on previously prepared data to suppress enemy artillery. Without such preliminary reconnaissance and prepared data, fire is not opened. Alien batteries are not needles and do not suddenly fall from the sky.
      2. 0
        16 September 2022 11: 01
        In the same way, as in the howitzer of the 1938 model 122mm ... and the same shell. The distance is just higher.
    2. 0
      13 September 2022 16: 28
      But it’s impossible to wind it up in the back of a truck like a ZU-23-2?
      In the sense of no consequences like a torn car or an overturned one.
      1. +1
        13 September 2022 17: 26
        But it’s impossible to wind it up in the back of a truck like a ZU-23-2?
        - look where the slingshot is "wound", then compare the mass and recoil, and then select the appropriate truck. Let me remind you that a German / Chinese gearbox is installed on a 4-axle Kamaz-Bear, there are no domestic analogues ....
        1. 0
          20 September 2022 17: 01
          Kazakhs on KAMAZ were tied up by Jews for Kazakhs
      2. +8
        13 September 2022 19: 45
        A howitzer "attached to the body of a truck" is, for example, Caesar. And there you still need to lower the supports or the slab so that the soil takes the return.
        1. 0
          14 September 2022 08: 37
          Supports from the crane to the old truck, D-30 on it and try to get the "ersatz-caesar". wassat
          1. 0
            2 November 2022 13: 58
            The "ridge" (bearing frame) will break.
            1. +1
              2 November 2022 16: 06
              Try it, see what's broken, strengthen it. fellow
              1. +1
                8 November 2022 09: 15
                You can't get enough of trucks laughing It is better to calculate in advance, since the momentum propagation vector and the transmission nodes of the dynamic impact are known. The strength of the impulse is also known. hi
      3. +1
        14 September 2022 00: 37
        It is forbidden. It is much easier to dig a howitzer without a truck. And the BP truck will give a ride, bring food, take the wounded. Wheeled self-propelled guns - good for sale and for expeditionary wars. And for real wars, they are not recommended.
        1. +1
          14 September 2022 08: 52
          It is not at all easier to dig a howitzer without equipment, it’s just easier to leave and then disguise it.
          1. 0
            14 September 2022 09: 20
            Just the tractor leaves for 200-400 meters and they mask it there without ditching it. And the howitzer is surrounded and masked. Without a tractor, you need a trench 1.2 m deep, "with a truck" - 3 m. Well, consider it easier.
            1. 0
              14 September 2022 09: 43
              When was digging in easy?
              1. +1
                14 September 2022 09: 46
                Never. But vital :)
            2. 0
              19 September 2022 09: 50
              There is an opinion that nothing helps against "teplaks" from above. Camouflage nets included. By the way, I read the complaints of American gunners that there are now not enough camouflage nets in the US Army.
              1. 0
                2 November 2022 14: 08
                Smoke in the area and shooting at external coordinate pickups. But it will take a lot of smoke to cover large areas.
                1. +2
                  2 November 2022 15: 34
                  They also say that there is supposedly some kind of "Cape" ....
                  1. 0
                    8 November 2022 09: 11
                    Well, do not confuse "there is" and "exists in nature" laughing Unfortunately, all sorts of "Shmatkos" would rather hang themselves than give out modern equipment ... Scandal, out, is still rumbling. sad In general, smoke is more reliable than a cape, a cape will cover from heat-contrast guidance, but not from the human eye, because it is possible to find a target using a thermal imager using caterpillars and heated objects nearby.
                    1. 0
                      8 November 2022 11: 30
                      Where did the camouflage and armor with helmets go - it's clear. And what will they do with the "Cape", who else needs it, except for the military?
                      I meant - cover the howitzer dug with it.
                      1. 0
                        9 November 2022 09: 24
                        Yes, the point is not only that they are "poking", more often there is another "no, I won't give him away, I still have to report for him, but what if you lose?" Moreover, in the conditions of its "and if you lose" turns "you will definitely lose." This is the reason that there is not a damn thing, they are afraid that they will be reprimanded when fighters are on the scales of life.
                      2. 0
                        9 November 2022 09: 59
                        Wonderful are your works, Lord. Writing off property lost during hostilities is more difficult than stealing it.
                      3. 0
                        9 November 2022 13: 06
                        In fact of the matter. If they are written off for combat, then they can also be written off by the horns, at the small-town level, from tyranny, and if they stole it, then this is a write-off due to dilapidation / obsolescence, etc. with the share of the signer, respectively
        2. 0
          16 September 2022 11: 02
          Tracked vehicles usually have a built-in self-digging blade.
          1. 0
            16 September 2022 13: 13
            Aw, not everyone. But at least there was one in the battery ... Or a BAT bulldozer at the division ... The sappers of the division still have a trencher. And the gun crew always has a shortage of shovels :)
        3. 0
          16 September 2022 16: 08
          And how to dig in the D-30 with such a gun carriage, by the way?
          1. 0
            16 September 2022 16: 12
            There are three beds, but shorter than those of the M-30, and even more so of the D-20 or Msta-B.
            1. 0
              19 September 2022 09: 47
              And for how much is it really possible to "curl up" Mste-B or Hyacinth-B from a trench and without a trench and dump it?
              1. 0
                19 September 2022 12: 39
                If you do not take away the ammunition and the net and do not put covers, two minutes. While the tractor was coming up, they assembled the beds, attached them, and poked.
        4. 0
          19 September 2022 09: 55
          Americans don't have them. The Germans did, but this is a turret self-propelled gun on a wheelbase. Dana type.
      4. 0
        14 September 2022 08: 50
        There is a similar project "Phlox", only there, instead of a howitzer, a 120-mm cannon-mortar. You can follow the same path, but is it necessary, because there is a project "Malva" already with a 152-mm howitzer.
        1. +1
          16 September 2022 13: 16
          There is a program for upgrading the SAU122mm to a 120mm mortar barrel
      5. +3
        14 September 2022 20: 39
        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
        But it’s impossible to wind it up in the back of a truck like a ZU-23-2?
        In the sense of no consequences like a torn car or an overturned one.
        Chassis T-55
        Chassis Kamaz
        Chassis Ural 4320.
        The answer to the question is "You can".
        soldier
        1. 0
          15 September 2022 00: 01
          Outstanding pics! I saw a video from Syria. Here is such a self-propelled guns, with D30, they fired at planes! Well, there was an advance, a remote tube was installed ... They didn’t hit, of course, but the enemy retreated wink
          1. 0
            15 September 2022 07: 23
            By modern jet aircraft?
          2. 0
            15 September 2022 12: 12
            Well, how many modern government troops are left there ... When attacking an earthly target, they don’t fly fast at all. And they don’t maneuver very much ... And then there’s a break along the course ...
          3. 0
            2 November 2022 14: 14
            By planes? Why not on missiles right away? Or not on projectiles with oncoming fire? wassat
            1. 0
              3 November 2022 17: 53
              Yes, by plane. Vertically up, at the zenith, same. What he saw, he wrote. War - than they have, the more glad.
              1. 0
                8 November 2022 09: 17
                A senseless occupation, kmk, Nurs start up perfectly and from 5 thousand, fabs, kfabs and all the more so because of the rocket.
      6. The comment was deleted.
    3. +2
      13 September 2022 16: 28
      If the enemy began to respond, then ALL towed kirdyks are very likely. or are there systems that are capable of getting out of a MLRS return salvo?
      1. +4
        13 September 2022 19: 46
        Of course. Any weapon can get out of a retaliatory volley if it rolls up fast enough. Another thing is that the time for firing in such cases does not exceed five minutes. 10 minutes is already a big risk, 15 certain death.
        1. +4
          14 September 2022 00: 51
          Negro This stupidity is repeated from post to post. And she acquires all the new "facts". No weapon can and does not even begin to curl up at the start of shelling a position. Regardless of how prepared she is. The charter clearly defines - - at the beginning of the shelling, the LS occupies shelters. There is nothing more you can do. Yes, and the team is not needed - the calculation instantly instinctively turns out to be at the bottom of the slot. Not prepared? Next time this will be the first thing in the preparation of the OP.
          1. +3
            14 September 2022 08: 24
            Quote: stankow
            No weapon can and does not even begin to curl up at the start of shelling a position

            Of course not. You need to turn around in minutes. If it starts to fly, then it's too late to twitch.
            Quote: stankow
            There's nothing more you can do

            No, well, you can fight like that, of course. True, not for long. Good luck.
            1. -1
              14 September 2022 09: 28
              There are no "winding down by the minute" in the combat work of artillery. After completing the fire mission, the battery remains in the prepared position. They didn’t cook all night to quit. A battery can perform up to 10-15 fire missions per day, shoot up to two ammo, for the D30 it is 160 rounds per gun. And that takes many hours.
              1. +4
                14 September 2022 09: 34
                Quote: stankow
                They didn’t cook all night to quit. A battery can perform up to 10-15 fire missions per day, shoot up to two ammo, for the D30 it is 160 rounds per gun. And that takes many hours.

                Yes, that's right. While there is no enemy, you can perform 15 fire missions per day from one position. If a modern enemy suddenly arrives, with radars, aerial reconnaissance and self-propelled guns / MLRS, then all this artillery suddenly ceases to be relevant.
                1. 0
                  14 September 2022 23: 29
                  Negro. It remains quite up to date. Watch the video. Even the artillery militias have a bunch of shell casings dug in, disguised and around. Behind is not that crack - dugouts with overlapping. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine have radars, drones, and MLRS. At the RF Armed Forces, I saw self-propelled guns dug under the turret hatch, although they show it in less than a second. See to the root wink
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2022 08: 12
                    Quote: stankow
                    Even the artillery militias have a bunch of shell casings dug in, disguised and around. Behind is not that crack - dugouts with overlapping.

                    Yeah. Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were bolted all summer for the complete absence of counter-battery combat.

                    Rumor has it that the situation has begun to change in recent weeks.
                2. +1
                  15 February 2023 15: 23
                  Actually, no, you just need to have a dedicated reserve for counter-battery combat ... That is, how it happens. One side begins to work along the front line in order to organize an offensive, the enemy orders counter-battery support. And at this moment, another battery of the first side is trying to disrupt the counter-battery fight of the first side (well, or there, let’s say the aviation component is used from the same lancets and analogs to the raid of attack aircraft), and the first battery, let’s say, changes its position (preferably prepared in advance with a known binding) and continues work along the front line of the enemy’s defense ... In theory, there should be a lot of such hidden art reserves, that is, roughly speaking, 1 working battery should cover another 3-5 batteries of artillery and rocket launchers, which will be used as necessary to prevent the enemy from suppressing the first battery . This, of course, is ideal ... But as a rule, there are not enough forces and means, commanders require massive artillery preparation, in the end it turns out the other way around, it’s good if 1 battery covers 3-5 others from enemy counter-battery work ...
          2. 0
            14 September 2022 16: 32
            Next time this will be the first thing in the preparation of the OP.

            you tell this to the "crews" of the wandering art of dill ... :)
            or the crew of the Swedish sau "archie" ...
            1. 0
              14 September 2022 23: 22
              No, let the Swedes first show how their concept works. Where used, in what war. Ukrainian art is not just a day, it has been standing in one position for months, in the same Avdiivka. And against it is a completely modern army.
              1. 0
                15 September 2022 03: 34
                Towed, yes, everything is as you say, but are there French Caesars in Ukraine who are sharpened for such applications, or do they also work from closed positions?
      2. 0
        13 September 2022 20: 13
        A self-propelled guns also have little chance of surviving when hit by a volley of MLRS: self-aiming elements of a cluster warhead will cover them if the self-propelled guns did not have time to dump at least 0.5 km from their position.
        1. 0
          2 November 2022 15: 28
          And even just cumulative, if there are a lot of them.
      3. 0
        14 September 2022 00: 42
        The consumption of shells for destroying a battery of self-propelled guns is only twice as much as for destroying a battery of towed ones. And the cost of restoring materiel is 5 times more.
  2. 0
    13 September 2022 16: 25
    The tool is good. the main thing is to cover them with more long-range systems. 20 km today is not enough against the new 155mm self-propelled guns.
    1. -1
      13 September 2022 23: 18
      For fire support at the level of the D-30 battalion, along with mortars, an indispensable thing.
      Let the divisions of 152mm self-propelled guns Msta-SM and MLRS Tornado-M with radar and UAVs engage in counter-battery combat and deep strikes against enemy positions and rear lines.
      1. -2
        14 September 2022 13: 11
        Do not exaggerate about the indispensability of the D-30 and mortars at the battalion level. The BMP-3 has a 100-mm gun that allows you to often do without artillery support, to fire on your own.
    2. +2
      14 September 2022 00: 58
      Single-n 15 km for divisional and regimental guns is enough for the eyes. The OP is located approximately 3-5 km behind the front line. Well, now tell me what goals might be of interest to the regiment commander and division commander 10-12 km away in the enemy’s tila, so that he could set tasks for his artillery? What does he care about the second divisions? Let the commander think about it. And he already has hyacinth and a hurricane and can call out aviation.
      1. 0
        14 September 2022 09: 44
        For example enemy art. Or his reserves / retreating units .. Today, 10-12 km is far to the second echelons. Considering that UAVs have now appeared, it’s not a problem to “look” at 10 km at all. The visible horizon from 20 m is about 16 km.
        And in general, there is not much Dakka :)
        1. 0
          14 September 2022 23: 49
          Arta is not worth such a distance. The retreating parts are of no interest. The reserves themselves will fit into the girth of their artillery. If they don't fit, why shoot them? Both yesterday and today, 10-12 km is the entire depth of the defense, to which the D30 is quite enough.
  3. +5
    13 September 2022 16: 34
    There is a main weapon, relatively cheap, it is good for beginners to master, there are probably a lot of shells.
    1. +2
      13 September 2022 16: 48
      Quote: VOENOBOZ
      There is a main weapon, relatively cheap, it is good for beginners to master, there are probably a lot of shells.

      It's not about cheapness, it's about efficiency. You can also fight with a gun against a machine gun ... However, not for long ...
      This howitzer is from the wars of the past, for which our generals continue to prepare. And there are kamikaze drones with a range of up to 30 km ... There are heavy attack UAVs ... True, they are more expensive ... And for their production, new factories, electronics, etc. are needed.
      That is why the author expresses confidence:
      It can be assumed that the operation of such weapons will continue for several more decades.
      1. 0
        19 September 2022 08: 04
        Quote: yuriy55
        You can also fight with a gun against a machine gun ... However, not for long ...

        You are right ... 32 PMa zatyuk 5 submachine gunners for about 40 minutes .. 1990s ...
        By the time the machine guns and snipers arrived, everything was already over ..
        We had two lightly wounded and an advantage in cartridges + knowledge of the area
    2. +1
      13 September 2022 19: 48
      Quote: VOENOBOZ
      shells probably the sea.

      They write from the fields that the 122 mm shells are over. They have not been produced for 30 years, and the shelf life is limited.
      1. 0
        13 September 2022 19: 57
        and what, if not a secret, then shoot?
        1. +1
          13 September 2022 20: 05
          152 mm. Well, MLRS with mortars.
      2. +1
        14 September 2022 01: 14
        Production of 122 mm shells never did not stop. By the way, this is a very profitable business. Neither training nor war in the world stopped. And M30, D30, Carnations in the world delivered tens of thousands in dozens of countries. Even the A-19 is still in service somewhere, the same 122 mm shells.
        1. 0
          14 September 2022 08: 27
          Quote: stankow
          the same 122 mm shells

          No.
          Quote: stankow
          The production of 122 mm shells never stopped

          Are you talking about the Russian Federation or about the Chinese with the North Koreans?

          OK, let's soften the statement. Since 122 mm has long been withdrawn from service with the Russian Federation, the possibilities for this caliber are not as great as many people think.
        2. +1
          14 September 2022 08: 39
          Quote: stankow
          The production of 122 mm shells never stopped

          In Russia, the production of 122 mm stopped back in 1993, and has not been resumed since it is believed that the 122 mm caliber is already too small to confront NATO artillery, where they abandoned light 105 mm howitzers and completely switched to 155 caliber mm.
          1. 0
            15 September 2022 00: 12
            M119 is in service with the US National Guard. Recently upgraded, will still stand. L118 / 119 is in service in three dozen countries, incl. UK and Portugal.
          2. 0
            2 November 2022 15: 29
            Well, they didn't quite give up. By the way, the APU is now being delivered. Another thing is that there are no light howitzers in "regular" brigades.
  4. +3
    13 September 2022 16: 38
    The tender in India showed that we have nothing to offer to the foreign market, our guns are all from the USSR. Now we have a military conflict near the borders, all the shortcomings have come out and again it is not audible that our industry has received the terms of reference for a new weapon
    1. IVZ
      +11
      13 September 2022 19: 41
      again, it’s not audible that our industry received the terms of reference for a new tool
      I worked all my conscious life in one of the design bureaus of the military-industrial complex and I don’t remember a case when the TK became the object of wide publicity.
      1. 0
        14 September 2022 11: 50
        Quote: IVZ
        I worked all my conscious life in one of the design bureaus of the military-industrial complex and I don’t remember a case when the TK became the object of wide publicity.

        No one voices the TK, but the fact that work is underway, (to take on the Armata project) all the media are clogged
        1. IVZ
          0
          14 September 2022 12: 01
          but the fact that work is underway, (according to the Armata project) all the media are clogged
          Because the products have already appeared in the metal, information about them most likely managed to go away and where it’s not necessary either, and there was no point in hiding the fact that work was being done on the topic, but on the contrary, the sense and opportunity to promote the development appeared.
    2. 0
      5 November 2022 20: 02
      Coalition-SV is used and seems to be even produced .......
  5. +11
    13 September 2022 16: 39
    Great system! In the first year of the school, I had to "fight" on this howitzer. Do not count how many times "To battle" - "Release" worked out, and a couple of ammunition loads were definitely fired. And then I had to deal with this artillery system.
    What are the main advantages:
    - a sufficiently powerful projectile of 21,7 kg, capable of destroying field fortifications;
    - firing range of 15,3 km, 4 km more than that of the M-30;
    - fire maneuverability due to circular fire;
    - excellent accuracy, thanks to a three-bed carriage and original wedge-shaped coulters driven into the ground vertically through nests in the beds;
    - excellent stability when firing, unlike the M-30, it was not necessary to knock wooden wedges and decks under the coulters and wheels so that the gun would not jump when firing at low and medium elevation angles;
    - wedge semi-automatic shutter, providing long-term maintenance of the rate of fire of 3-4 rounds per minute.
    The main disadvantage is the laborious extraction of openers driven into the ground when the gun is rolled up to leave the firing position.
    The only thing the author did not indicate was that even after the adoption of the weapon, its mass production was hampered by the veteran lobby, they say, hands off the M-30, we reached Berlin with it. As a result, even in the mid-80s in the Far East and Transbaikalia (I won’t say for other districts), 122-mm M-30 and 152-mm D-1 continued to be in service with regimental and divisional artillery.
    1. +5
      13 September 2022 18: 20
      5 more cents:
      Circular firing is not possible in the entire range of elevation angles - the paws of the bed interfere.

      Comrade major (God bless you, Yuri Nikolaevich) from the military department managed to "unpack" it alone, though on a flat asphalt site ..
      1. +7
        13 September 2022 21: 02
        All these guns have one more plus, which is usually not mentioned. Shells with charges are packed in boxes, which are assembled from very good boards. And if the relations with the gunners are not bad, then from these boards you can build yourself a bathhouse with a steam room, etc. Of course, I'm not talking about those who are on the front line, but about those who are located for a long time, next to the unit.
        Here's how. Afghanistan, Kishim, and we are building a bath from those same boxes:

        PS
        There, on the wall of an unfinished bathhouse, there are two iron boxes hanging - these are bathhouse automation. The electronic unit was taken from a decommissioned diesel power plant and used to maintain the temperature of hot and cold water, pump water from the lower tanks to the upper (expendable) ones, and so on. Helicopter "Limes" served as a stove in the steam room.
        1. Kim
          +3
          14 September 2022 07: 56
          Have you tried cooking porridge from an ax? I bet you could do it :)
          1. +3
            14 September 2022 08: 40
            Quote from kim
            Have you tried cooking porridge from an ax?
            I didn’t try porridge, but from what is at hand: a lamp was made from a flamethrower on the wall (they sawed off the part that was suitable for this), they wanted to make a floor lamp from an Italian anti-tank mine (they didn’t get to that), it’s not visible in this picture, but the door is curtained with a bomb parachute.

            But I'm not original, in such conditions, everyone has the same approach.
            1. Kim
              +1
              14 September 2022 08: 53
              fairy tales do not appear in a vacuum :)
    2. +3
      13 September 2022 18: 21
      The author has not yet indicated that the D-30 is towed forward with the barrel (for this, there is a bracket under the muzzle brake). EMNIP is the only weapon in the USSR with this method of transportation.
      1. +1
        13 September 2022 18: 30
        I also recall the limited-edition Nona-K and the Pat-B that did not go into the series (by the way, the intended replacement for the D-30).
        1. +4
          13 September 2022 20: 50
          Quote: vvvjak
          The author has not yet indicated that the D-30 is towed forward with the barrel (for this, there is a bracket under the muzzle brake).
          And they still didn’t indicate the reason why the bracket used to retract back along the barrel, and then it was made non-retractable (it sticks out in front of the muzzle brake). It turned out by chance that with this towing bracket not removed, the accuracy when shooting is higher (apparently, it plays the role of a counterweight, like sports bows). He was fixed in this position permanently.

          PS
          By the way, the Americans did the same with their 777
          1. IVZ
            +1
            14 September 2022 12: 07
            It turned out by chance that with this towing bracket not removed, the accuracy when shooting is higher (apparently, it plays the role of a counterweight, like sports bows).
            Just a rigidly fixed bracket does not dangle (does not rattle) when fired, creating a moment of instability of barrel vibrations.
  6. +7
    13 September 2022 17: 18
    122-mm howitzer D-30 A


    - a towed gun designed to destroy enemy artillery positions, combat armored vehicles or destroy objects. It uses the possibilities of direct and indirect fire control.


    Caliber: 122 mm
    Maximum range: 15 m
    Elevation: -7° to + 70°
    Measurement: 360°
    Vo: 690ms-1
    Length of weapon with muzzle brake: 4663 mm
    The height of the weapon in the stowed position: 1800 mm
    The width of the gun in the stowed position: 2208 mm.
    Number of crew members: 1 + 6.

    We had them in the Czechoslovak and Czech armies. Great gun, great rating
  7. -2
    13 September 2022 17: 19
    d-30 was created under the m-462 howitzer of-30, lengthened the barrel and adopted a gun carriage that was not very good for towed guns
  8. -7
    13 September 2022 17: 33
    I immediately understood from the title - Ryabov. Everything behind the cord is bad, everything is excellent with us ... Only this bad thing is now killing our guys ...
  9. +7
    13 September 2022 17: 56
    And, since the howitzer was adopted by the Airborne Forces in the era of V.F. Margelov, then, of course, it is parachuted!
  10. +6
    13 September 2022 19: 06
    The development of the future D-30 howitzer was carried out in Permian OKB-9

    Dear author, all Perm developments have the letter "M" in the factory index. And the letter "D" is proudly carried exclusively by Sverdlovsk products.
  11. +2
    13 September 2022 19: 16
    The D-30 was 150-200 kg heavier than the existing howitzer, but this was offset by the lack of a limber.

    But the M-30 could not be towed without a limber, or what?
  12. +3
    13 September 2022 19: 21
    Deployment takes minimal time; the main maintenance operations are carried out by calculation.

    And for the deployment of other guns at the firing position, outsourcing companies are invited, or what? Why this offer?
  13. +9
    13 September 2022 19: 25
    It even became a shame, how so sparingly, miserably and faded one could manage to write about the true legend of the national artillery.
    Disgrace to the author.
    Just write it yourself, honestly ... negative
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 18: 48
      Kirill Ryabov has never been seen in belles lettres on this site! All his articles are a transfusion from empty to empty. Even before you finish reading the article, you will recognize the author immediately.
  14. +5
    13 September 2022 20: 13
    To all skeptics about modern conflicts.
    The advantage of a howitzer is stealth, there is no point in blowing up ammunition - it is not far, but no one knows where.
    About drones and all their gadgets - this is the task of air defense systems. A kamikaze drone will not do anything to this bandura.
    A well-camouflaged and fortified howitzer is very difficult to hit.
  15. +2
    13 September 2022 20: 51
    She would have an active-rocket projectile, for a greater range. And, yes, why don’t they bring PAT-B to mind
    1. +1
      13 September 2022 20: 57
      Pat-B is too heavy for a mobile gun + range is too short for a modern howitzer + towed = no one needs this in the 21st century. Hopeless.
      1. +3
        13 September 2022 21: 49
        For 155mm, it is not too heavy, and the range can be increased with active-rockets, if necessary. And I think that the age of towed artillery has not yet passed.
    2. -1
      13 September 2022 23: 52
      Specifications towed howitzer 2A61 "PAT-B":
      Calculation - 7 people;
      Mass - 4,3 t;
      The length in the stowed position - 6360 mm;
      Height in the stowed position - 2200 mm;
      Width in the stowed position - 1970 mm;
      Track - 1840 mm;
      The gun - 152-mm rifled howitzer 2А61;
      The weight of the OFS shells is 43,56 kg;
      Rate of Fire - 6-8 shots per minute;
      The initial velocity of the projectile - 540 m / s;
      Elevation angle - from -5 to + 70 degrees;
      The angle of horizontal guidance - 360 degrees;
      The minimum firing range - 4000 m;
      Maximum firing range - 15014 m;
      Highway towing speed - up to 80 km / h.
      The transfer between combat and traveling positions and back seven people of a trained crew is completed in two minutes.
      1. 0
        14 September 2022 01: 35
        Quote: assault
        2A61 "PAT-B":

        1. 0
          14 September 2022 02: 32
          Interestingly, is there anyone on the forum who has operated howitzers with a similar type of muzzle brake? specifically interested in how it affects the ears of the calculation of the gun.
          If I'm not mistaken, the brake is of an active type, and the bells are directed to the sides (the windows are not as open as in the D-30), it seems, it should be more gentle on the ears, but the gunpowder in the 152mm caliber sleeve will be more than that of the 122nd ...
          All in all, a question?
          1. 0
            14 September 2022 08: 44
            Before the shot, the calculation runs away to the side, and they fire a shot, pulling the string.
            1. Kim
              +1
              14 September 2022 08: 55
              some old stuff
              Bluetooth must be used!
            2. +1
              14 September 2022 11: 35
              Quote: Netomsky
              Before the shot, the calculation runs away to the side, and they fire a shot, pulling the string.
              The battery commander (D-30, Baharak village) told me that he fired a full charge from a howitzer only once. In the fortress itself and near the houses that were not far from the battery, glass flew out of the windows. After that, I learned a lot of new things about myself from the authorities and from local residents.
          2. IVZ
            0
            14 September 2022 12: 20
            specifically interested in how it affects the ears of the calculation of the gun.
            All products during the state. tests are tested for compliance with ergonomic standards incl. and sound pressure. In case of non-compliance with the standards, the product either "flies" from the tests and is sent for revision, or, in exceptional cases, earplugs, as in some RPGs, or tank helmets may be included in the delivery set. In this particular case, such an intricate form was apparently obtained during testing to meet the requirements for "noise" while maintaining the specified efficiency of diesel fuel.
          3. +1
            16 September 2022 11: 04
            Compared to the MT-12, it's trifles.
      2. 0
        14 September 2022 21: 03
        I already knew this without you. Therefore, he said that he could leave places quickly. Or do you think that self-propelled guns leave in 15 seconds?
      3. 0
        28 October 2022 21: 26
        Maximum firing range - 15014 m;

        It will not be easy to fight with her against the GC-45 or the Denel D-5, in which a projectile with a bottom gas generator flies 45 km. And without a gas generator, only 30 km.
  16. +1
    13 September 2022 21: 42
    D-30 is a great thing. But here's the thing
    https://iz.ru/news/545693
  17. +1
    13 September 2022 23: 02
    So that the battalion commander does not coordinate the support of artillery, MLRS or aviation every time at 5 levels for several hours, he must have at his disposal a company of mortars, a battery of 122 mm D-30 howitzers, an ATGM company.
    Of course, without special equipment and target designation systems, counter-battery combat is difficult and dangerous, but repulsing an attack by an infantry company with several infantry fighting vehicles and tanks or "flying squads of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" on Hummers is quite realistic.
    It seems that this kind of fire support was lacking for our units in the Kharkov direction.
    1. +1
      14 September 2022 09: 55
      The battalion commander has everything at his disposal. But it is not he who is engaged in counter-battery combat, but the command post of the division.
  18. -1
    14 September 2022 00: 24
    The D-30 is still relevant and retains its place in many armies.

    The battalion commander should have a battery of D-30 howitzers, a company of 120 mm mortars and an ATGM company under his command.
    Then the battalion commander will not have to coordinate the support of artillery and MLRS at 5 levels for several hours.
    An attack by an enemy infantry company with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will be repulsed by its own forces, and divisional artillery will only need to detect and suppress enemy batteries.

    We will definitely not be able to quickly reach the level of NATO and even the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the interaction of infantry units with aviation and artillery, because in addition to technical support problems, there is the most difficult problem of an organizational plan, how is a simple sergeant through the head of lieutenants, captains and majors will cause artillery fire or will direct a link attack helicopters...
    And to reverse this "inertness" of the army system will be the most difficult and longest ...

    And since you need to fight here and now, the easiest and fastest way to solve the problem with the interaction of infantry, artillery and tanks (I’m even silent about aviation for now ....)
    this is the transfer to the command of the battalion commander:
    - tank company (10 units)
    - companies of 120 mm mortars (9 units)
    - howitzer batteries D-30 / Nona-B
    - ATGM companies "Kornet" / "Konkurs-M" / "Shturm-SM" .....
    The battalion will actually turn into a self-sufficient BTG capable of effectively defending itself and counterattacking the enemy to a depth of several kilometers.
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 09: 05
      Just to increase the "flexibility" of the army system is very simple. All you have to do is seat the platoon and company commanders in separate tracked armored personnel carriers of the BTR-MDM, BT-3F, BTR-50 type and allocate drones for them. There will be space and diversity, so the commander will finally leave the BMP tower and begin his own commander's duties.
      1. -1
        14 September 2022 17: 26
        Inside the armored personnel carrier, the company commander has a great risk of losing control of the current situation.
      2. 0
        14 September 2022 21: 05
        And each with an adjutant and other stray. After all, we have a budget like that of amers.
    2. 0
      15 September 2022 04: 22
      The battalion is part of a brigade, regiment. In the regiment, the brigade has "its own" art, the same D-30. In Afghanistan, the 66th and 70th Motorized Rifle Brigade also had a 152 mm battery. Plus MLRS, GRAD. These trunks work in the interests of the regiment, that is, the battalions. The battalion always has an artillery spotter made up of ADN officers. In general, I have never seen problems with the organization of artillery support. Yes, if massed, everything can be a division, but two or three guns were always at hand, they begin, then, if necessary, according to their data, the entire division can hit. With turntables and aviation, it is possible that they will, but again, when performing some task, we were given an aircraft controller. I saw it myself several times, according to our data, the drying was hollowed out on the 25th. Ask for a large caliber, there may also be problems, but I never got enough. They always made do with their own. By the way, in the brigade, the regiment also has 120 mm mortars, which are also always at hand. I say this from practice, not by what I read, so I don’t quite understand what you mean. Perhaps in the corps of the LNR DNR this is not the state, but the troops have everything. And so, well, let's also give the battalion TNW at the request of bullshit))
  19. 0
    14 September 2022 06: 26
    In a video from Syria, I saw how Arab soldiers installed a 180mm cannon in the back of a truck (a hydraulic plate was present). It seems they said that the 130mm gun was also used.
    Who prevents doing this with regimental / brigade artillery? You can carry BC for a fire raid in the same body. Unfolding / folding time is scanty. The speed of movement is higher than with an attached gun, and it is easier to drive through gullies. The same D-30 3 tons, plus 20-30 shots of half a ton, plus hydraulics and a plate, a ton and a half. It fits perfectly into the weight of the three-axle Kamaz / Ural, even a little weight will remain for booking the cab.
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 06: 37
      return. For 20mm guns, this is a couple of tons. How many xs does this gun have. But obviously worse. When firing perpendicular to the axis of the truck, it will overturn it. And at large vertical angles Khan suspension. Only on special trucks. They have all sorts of stops so that the recoil goes into the ground.
      1. +2
        14 September 2022 07: 51
        Quote: demiurg
        In a video from Syria, I saw how the Arab army was installed in the back of a truck ......
        Sora 122mm The most modern self-propelled version of the D-30J with an automatic loader, an inertial navigation system (INS) and a fire control system mounted on a modified FAP 2026 chassis developed by the Military Technical Institute of Belgrade. (Wikipedia site: wiki5.ru)
      2. -2
        14 September 2022 08: 39
        That is, the Syrians do not even put a howitzer on serial 180mm trucks, but put and use a cannon, and the Russian Federation definitely needs special vehicles for 122 howitzers?
        1. Kim
          0
          14 September 2022 08: 56
          more like 18
          author's typo
        2. 0
          14 September 2022 10: 43
          I saw footage with these cadavers. They are mothballed so that there is no question of any hit at long ranges. The d-30 already has a KVO up to a hundred meters. And from such a platform, only shoot around the city to intimidate. Here above they posted a photo of a gun on a truck. Sora 122mm. Pay attention to the "paws". It will topple over without them. And she can fire only "back" in a certain sector. And the fact that it spins 360 is for the traveling position .. This is even evident from the fact that the platform for the calculation is very small. If you had an all-round gun, you would have to make folding shields. Like on Soviet automobile anti-aircraft guns during the Second World War.
          Other similar systems have 4 paws-stops. On them, the truck is "hanging out" above the ground. By type of truck cranes.
          The Syrians did not come up with anything new in princepe. We also did the same.
          “The D-30 howitzer was transported by AT-L and AT-P tractors, as well as by ZIL-157 trucks. Later, MT-LB tractors and Ural-375 or 4320 trucks were used. "You can't - they should be posted."
      3. 0
        22 November 2022 19: 28
        And if you put this gun on a semi-trailer from a MAZ-543 tank carrier or the like? It should be normal...
  20. 0
    14 September 2022 09: 43
    Quote: Negro
    Quote: stankow
    the same 122 mm shells

    No.
    Quote: stankow
    The production of 122 mm shells never stopped

    Are you talking about the Russian Federation or about the Chinese with the North Koreans?

    OK, let's soften the statement. Since 122 mm has long been withdrawn from service with the Russian Federation, the possibilities for this caliber are not as great as many people think.

    Yes. The A-19 can fire the same rounds as the M30 and D30. I don't know about the sleeves, maybe they are different.

    I'm talking about Serbia, Karabakh, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa. And they buy 122 mm of good from Russia, and they shoot, and they save millions in stock.

    The 122 mm caliber was recently taken out of service in Russia. And there are thousands of D30s, Carnations and even at least 3000 M30s in storage. And, accordingly, several million 122 mm shells for them. What is the militia shooting for, already the 9th year?
    1. 0
      5 November 2022 20: 06
      It has not been removed. It’s just that it’s not in motorized rifle and tank brigades and divisions (at least it wasn’t until 24/02. At a minimum, Carnations should have remained in the MP. But the shells have already been discontinued.
  21. The comment was deleted.
  22. IVZ
    0
    14 September 2022 12: 24
    The howitzer received an original carriage that provides circular horizontal guidance. The lower machine of such a carriage has three beds, bred in different directions and fixed with coulters.
    By the way, one of the 105 mm that appeared at the very end of the Second World War had such a gun carriage. Wehrmacht howitzer.
  23. -1
    14 September 2022 15: 55
    negative how everything is running with the author ... Let's start from afar. Why was this howitzer created? - For fire support of regiments. And where did the Soviet military doctrine plan to produce this support? - In Western Europe, of course, during the "throw to the English Channel." Now let's remember how the D-30 showed itself in Afghanistan and Chechnya? - And she showed herself disgustingly. The power of a 122mm projectile was not even enough to destroy a stone-clay duval! I remember how one battalion commander complained on TV that after the shelling of the next Chechen UR from the D-30, there was no destruction in the next village not fixed! Here it is, the Soviet "superweapon"!
    And now let's remember that the main theater for the use of this howitzer should have been in Western Europe. The very one where the old historical buildings of European cities are made entirely of stone, with walls a meter and a half thick. Those. ordering this howitzer and then taking it into service public Enemies from the GRAU doomed the Soviet Army to heavy losses due to the low effectiveness of regimental artillery against standard targets for Western Europe.
    PS: by the way, such a "circular" shelling of a howitzer is unnecessary. This "three-bed" only unnecessarily weighs down the art. system. Circular shelling would be more suitable for the MT-12 anti-tank gun developed a little later. But no, we did everything through w...
    1. 0
      14 September 2022 22: 52
      Quote: nespich
      enemies of the people from the GRAU doomed the Soviet Army to heavy losses due to the low effectiveness of regimental artillery

      How, interestingly, did the Germans go through the entire WWII, having not even a regimental, but a divisional howitzer with a caliber of 105 mm?
      1. 0
        15 September 2022 02: 20
        Went badly. Finished in Berlin.
        1. 0
          15 September 2022 09: 26
          Quote from solar
          Went badly. Finished in Berlin.

          At the same time, having killed our soldiers several times more than we had them. Although our divisional howitzer was larger in caliber than the Germans. Weird.
          1. 0
            15 September 2022 11: 57
            this was determined not only by the caliber of the howitzer
            1. 0
              15 September 2022 12: 15
              Quote from solar
              this was determined not only by the caliber of the howitzer

              But the Germans did not complain about the caliber either. Somewhere in the middle of the war, the army asked the industry to upgrade the divisional howitzer. The main requirements were to reduce weight and increase range. The power of the shell of the German warriors, apparently, was quite satisfactory. Weird.
      2. 0
        15 September 2022 17: 31
        Quote: DenVB
        How, interestingly, did the Germans go through the entire WWII, having not even a regimental, but a divisional howitzer with a caliber of 105 mm?

        To destroy the enemy's strongholds, the Germans in the divisions also had 150mm howitzers (which cannot be said about the Soviet divisions). And they were quickly amplified by powerful art. RVGK systems. In the USSR, there was a problem with such promptness ... As with large-caliber artillery systems themselves ...
        1. 0
          5 November 2022 20: 06
          According to the state for 1941, they should have been.
      3. 0
        5 November 2022 20: 09
        Not only Germans. Everyone but us. Only we had 122 mm. 120-mm howitzers were in use around the RYAV war, but there were no such in the leading armies. The Germans attributed the M-30 to heavy howitzers.
  24. 0
    15 September 2022 00: 55
    There are no chips that can fail.
  25. +1
    17 September 2022 09: 47
    What a horror, I thought this was another article in the series
    ""Useless and obsolete"".
    However, I don’t understand anything, the French TRF1 howitzer is useless and obsolete, and the Russian D-30 howitzer is not obsolete, moreover, it retains its effectiveness.
    So the dividing line between useless and useful is given not by the characteristics of the weapon, but by the place of production?????????????????
  26. 0
    19 September 2022 07: 16
    Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
    As a result, even in the mid-80s in the Far East and Transbaikalia (I won’t say for other districts), 122-mm M-30 and 152-mm D-1 continued to be in service with regimental and divisional artillery.

    Absolutely so. My 12th artillery division, or rather its howitzer and heavy howitzer regiments, only had these howitzers in the second half of the 80s (ZabVO).
  27. 0
    18 October 2022 20: 46
    Yes, but fold the paws, grab the lip, how long does it take? Where are the people? Other realities, another time. Then they didn’t hear about drones, anti-battery stations. . author, swamp for the T-34.
  28. 0
    21 October 2022 07: 39
    Put open on the tracked chassis, cassette loading of 3-5 shells, remote aiming and fire control.
    1. 0
      26 October 2022 11: 23
      I am for. Only without tracked chassis. Cassette, remote aiming and sight with target coordinator. Tanks will bypass for 5 km.
      1. 0
        27 October 2022 04: 14
        The caterpillar has its own advantages: armor, low center of gravity and cross-country ability. Just no Msta clones.
        1. 0
          28 October 2022 00: 54
          There are benefits. And a lot of shortcomings.
          1. +1
            28 October 2022 08: 05
            Must watch. What is offered is either heavy, cumbersome, slow, or you can hardly move at all in the absence of protection.
            Demand of the day: BMP chassis, MT-LB, PTS-2. Open installation of the gun, cassette automatic loading. Satellite guidance, quick exit to the position, a series of accurate hits and shooting ...
            1. 0
              2 November 2022 15: 33
              If on MTLB, then this is already "almost" Carnation. By the way, not the most successful cart for artillery. From Khosta, it seems, the flight went out.
              2С5 is cool, because the Cuba chassis was used, which is one and a half times lighter than a tank one and Hyacinth in the tower cannot be carried in principle. Only D-20.
              1. 0
                2 November 2022 19: 21
                Not an expert, absolutely. The idea is a no-frills cannon on a chassis, throw out a series of shells and quickly go ... This is now a quintet about quo.
                1. 0
                  3 November 2022 10: 42
                  Let's say I mean that MTLB is too bold for such a "primitive" installation. And now you should not expect any miracles from the D-30. She has a fairly narrow niche now.
                  1. 0
                    3 November 2022 19: 31
                    It doesn't matter, Kalash was not canceled due to the small caliber.
                    1. 0
                      5 November 2022 20: 12
                      Kalash - the armament of an infantryman shooter, without them - nothing. The place of the D-30 and Gvozdik in the weapon system is not obvious now. They just already exist. But, at a minimum, we do not have another howitzer that could be pulled by a helicopter (Mi-26 not to mention), and there is no other self-propelled howitzer that could float.
  29. 0
    4 November 2022 19: 16
    Let's call a spade a spade: we simply cannot make a new modern howitzer. For various reasons: stupid managers, no scientific potential "too expensive", thieving army ranks (and therefore too expensive), but we can't. Therefore, these will be used until the last
    1. 0
      5 November 2022 20: 13
      Made - Coalition-SV. Used, and probably produced, at a snail's pace. However, Caesar is also very slow to do.
  30. 0
    5 November 2022 10: 59
    Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
    But it’s impossible to wind it up in the back of a truck like a ZU-23-2?

    The ZU-23-2 with a caliber of 23 mm has a recoil of almost 7 tons, calculate (physics grade 5) the recoil momentum of 22 kg of an HE projectile with a full charge of 565 m / s and a gun weight of 3,3 tons, which serial automobile chassis can withstand and what kind of portable b / c will be there, not counting the spare parts and accessories and the calculation with your junk, and even taking into account the shooting on board?
    1. 0
      20 November 2022 22: 43
      https://topwar.ru/178033-v-seti-pojavilos-video-uchenij-novyh-kitajskih-sau-plc-171-na-shassi-broneavtomobilja-dongfeng-warrior.html
  31. +1
    20 November 2022 22: 41
    The howitzer has driven coulters, which still need to be pulled out of the ground after firing. And most importantly, NATO brigade artillery is standardized for 155-mm caliber and a firing range of 30 km OF. Which is more powerful and hits further. Therefore, we began to refuse from 122 mm. Many countries use them, but these are mainly countries that do not have money for artillery. If you look, then all our neighbors are rearming with newer models of self-propelled artillery. Look at how many countries are buying Korean K9s.
    1. 0
      15 February 2023 14: 45
      We still need to use the old 105 ... But yes, in general, we were going to withdraw them to the reserve, there would be 120mm Nona / veins / lotuses and, accordingly, the rest of the 152 mm artillery ...
      About a long range, without expensive guided projectiles, working beyond 30 km is not effective, then when at ranges up to 15-20 km, well-trained calculations, of course, when adjusted, they can achieve almost 2-3 shots to hit a single target, such as an infantry fighting vehicle / tank ... The same mortars have a range of 4-5 km (81/82 mm), but no one is going to give them up. NATO also uses 60 mm mortars ...
      This does not mean that long-range systems are not needed. This is me to the fact that different niches for different weapons ... They haven’t abandoned rapiers yet ...
      What I mean is that the financial resource is not unlimited, and we won’t be able to have roughly 10000 coalitions of sv ... But in terms of the cost of both production and maintenance, roughly speaking, 1 coalition is 100 d-20 ... And never 1 modern gun 100 will not be more effective ... Therefore, roughly speaking, I will build 200-300 coalitions, and the remaining 9700 guns will conditionally be cheaper and simpler ... But they will also have different tasks ... Long-range guns will hit targets in depth enemy defense. And simpler guns and mortars will be able to process the first row of trenches with the most common ammunition. Which will be mass produced and have a long shelf life.
  32. 0
    15 February 2023 14: 27
    It seems that they were all going to withdraw them to the reserve and abandon the caliber 122 ... But apparently something went wrong and the d-30 and carnations have to be used. Although, of course, it is still logical to use carnations until the shells and resource are exhausted, but it would be interesting to replace the D-30 with at least the D-20, or rather hyacinth-b, msta-b or nona-k.