The Ministry of Defense spoke about the “Tuva phenomenon” faced by Ukrainian intelligence

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The Ministry of Defense spoke about the “Tuva phenomenon” faced by Ukrainian intelligence

The Ukrainian General Staff is faced with another problem that they cannot solve; Russian troops are increasingly using the languages ​​of the peoples living in Russia in radio communications. This was reported by the Ministry of Defense.

Russia is a multinational country, on the territory of which many nationalities live with their own customs and languages. Representatives of these nationalities also serve in the Russian army and participate in a special military operation in Ukraine. The Russian language, which is the main language in the Russian army, is well known to the enemy, since it is also native to him, although this is not recognized in Kyiv. Using it in radio communications leads to information leakage, so it was decided to involve military personnel who know other languages ​​in communication.



Ukrainian intelligence encountered the "Tuvan phenomenon" by failing to decipher a single message from Russian troops in one of the sectors in the combat zone. The thing is that the connection was provided by servicemen from the Tuvan Republic, who transmitted messages in the Tuvan language. As reported in the military department, the Ukrainian "hearers" did not understand a word from the messages.

We use our national language, namely Tuvan, so that in the event of a radio intercept, the enemy would not be able to understand what is being said.

- said the instructor of the communications department Nikolai Chamyan, adding that "the same tricks" were used by "great-grandfathers during the Great Patriotic War."

It is worth noting that this is not the first case of this kind, which the Ministry of Defense spoke about, earlier the military spoke about signalmen from Buryatia. Signalers from the republic actively used their language to communicate through communication devices, thereby misleading Ukrainian intelligence.
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  1. +35
    4 September 2022 19: 37
    Everything new is well forgotten old. During WWII in the United States, Indians were cryptographers.
    1. +12
      4 September 2022 19: 41
      And some kind of one tribe like.
      1. +69
        4 September 2022 19: 43
        News for several months now.
        And more sad than funny.
        Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.
        And for some reason there are no such people in the Russian army.
        1. +12
          4 September 2022 19: 48
          Quote: Shurik70
          Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception

          That's just the enemy does not stand still.
        2. +42
          4 September 2022 20: 09
          In the 90s, scrambling equipment appeared on the free market, i.e. cutting the voice spectrum into pieces and replacing them with places before transmission. Then in the 90s it was forbidden to facilitate the work of the security forces. Encryption is much more difficult.
          In fact, you are right a thousand times over. It's kind of a shame.
          1. 0
            4 September 2022 22: 06
            I agree. Where is the encryption and don't care what language to speak?
          2. -10
            5 September 2022 02: 01
            Why some? Strong, sovereign, vertically oriented ..... And big, like Russia .....
            1. +5
              5 September 2022 02: 10
              You're right. Those who are supposed to think about communication according to their position do not consider this situation a disgrace.
              1. 0
                5 September 2022 02: 30
                Well, one was planted a bit, but he was not alone and the problem was not solved. And in general, based on the fact that even here, those who are "according to their position" think so for themselves .... Although they wrote here about one brilliant deputy of the Ministry of Defense, a talent)))
                But with the "patriotic" minusers, everything is fine, the heroes on the Russian land have not yet died out wink
                1. +2
                  5 September 2022 06: 17
                  Not transferred. Vigilantly look around ...)))
                  1. -2
                    5 September 2022 08: 54
                    So how can they transfer? Who will stand for the Motherland, in warmth and comfort? the lieutenant general took the place, the dude with the Italian villa - too ..... At least here ...
          3. +2
            6 September 2022 05: 39
            This is the so-called "mosaic method", but the possibilities are weak! No more than 1000 such algorithms were "sewn up" into the microcircuit ... Therefore, using a computer even of those times, it was deciphered quickly! Another thing is the languages ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbof small peoples, directly the "column replacement method"! I’m joking, of course, but it’s enough to bring up-to-date information to the addressee!
        3. +30
          4 September 2022 20: 24
          Young reformers only know how to trade, and even that is bad. And microcircuits are generally a dark forest for them. They surrounded themselves with hucksters, not specialists, and that's the result
        4. +2
          4 September 2022 20: 41
          well .. call someone on ZAS)) or at least move the phone from place to place
        5. +12
          4 September 2022 22: 11
          Quote: Shurik70
          Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.
          And for some reason there are no such people in the Russian army.

          Have you heard of the Kerckhoffs principle? Deciphering the Tuvan language is much more difficult than Russian, processed by a primitive algorithm. Namely, this one (short keys, high speed of the algorithm, the ability to quickly change in case of capture by the enemy) will be used in portable radio equipment.
          And to disassemble the rare language of a small people - this needs to be decoded, i.e. study grammar ... At the same time, I cannot but note that the languages ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbof small peoples are not yet studied in schools)) and therefore the measure is good, but with very limited capabilities
          1. +7
            4 September 2022 23: 54
            Quote: Momotomba
            And to disassemble the rare language of a small people - this needs to be decoded, i.e. study grammar ... At the same time, I cannot but note that the languages ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbof small peoples are not yet studied in schools)) and therefore the measure is good, but with very limited capabilities

            If the Egyptian cuneiform and Mayan hieroglyphs could be deciphered, the grammar textbook of which does not exist, then the "living" language can be deciphered all the more. It's only a matter of time. While decrypted, the information will become obsolete. But this is only the first time, after the algorithms of the language are groped, decryption will not be a problem.
            1. +2
              5 September 2022 13: 53
              And how long did it take to decipher it? It's not like I take me another beer and then decipher this!
              1. 0
                5 September 2022 15: 54
                Quote from padre
                And how long did it take to decipher it? It's not like I take me another beer and then decipher this!

                Here beer also prevents you to penetrate into an essence. If you already decided to stick in here with your comments - write in RUSSIAN on the RUSSIAN site. negative
                1. 0
                  5 September 2022 21: 36
                  Maybe he commented via https://en.topwar.ru/201276-v-minoborony-rasskazali-o-tuvinskom-phenomene-s-kotorym-stolknulas-ukrainskaja-razvedka.html
                2. 0
                  6 September 2022 05: 43
                  Well, he's crazy! So with beer! Ours would have dealt with a glass at a time!
            2. +2
              6 September 2022 09: 15
              Well, yes, we could. After spending years in academic settings. And if Champollion had not found that stele, where one text was written in ancient Egyptian and ancient Greek, then it is not known how many more Egyptian hieroglyphs would have been deciphered.
          2. +6
            5 September 2022 05: 31
            Quote: Momotomba
            Namely, this one (short keys, high speed of the algorithm, the ability to quickly change in case of capture by the enemy) will be used in portable radio equipment.

            Now smartphones encrypt cat videos (for no reason, because they can, and because the Internet is now so accepted) with an algorithm that requires a quantum computer to crack. Encrypted peer-to-peer voice calls in chats are virtually unhackable. Everything has already been done and is working, for military use it is only required to transfer it all not through a cell tower.
            1. 0
              5 September 2022 06: 59
              Quote: military_cat
              Encrypted peer-to-peer voice calls in chats are virtually unhackable

              Did you come up with this yourself or did you read it on a website?))
              Quote: military_cat
              you just need to transmit it all not through a cell tower.

              A bit more difficult if you really want to protect the negotiation
              1. +2
                5 September 2022 08: 33
                Quote: Momotomba
                Did you come up with this yourself or did you read it on a website?))
                No, I just know how modern cryptography works))) and I know that the same universal cryptomethods separate not only voice chats from those who want to listen to them, but also huge financial transactions from those who want to profit from them))))

                Quote: Momotomba
                A bit more difficult if you really want to protect the negotiation
                No, that's right. The presence of a cryptographically strong ciphertext does not give the attacker any information about its content and is indistinguishable from random noise for him.
                1. 0
                  5 September 2022 12: 24
                  Quote: military_cat
                  The presence of a cryptographically strong ciphertext does not give the attacker any information about its content and is indistinguishable from random noise for him.

                  In theory, YES, in practice, anything can happen) once a one-alphabetic substitution cipher was very stable)) You can’t be sure that someone didn’t come up with something to break faster)) in principle, the translation of the letters of the human alphabet into binary packages already looks like white noise.
                  Yes, and cryptographic strength is measured by the time required for hacking. Well, you know what I mean))
                  1. +1
                    5 September 2022 12: 50
                    Quote: Momotomba
                    You can’t be sure that someone didn’t come up with something to break faster))

                    I can be sure that the reward for breaking modern cryptography is billions, if not trillions of dollars, which can be reached from any computer with Internet access, and which are not protected by anything other than this cryptography. Could break - would break.
                    1. 0
                      5 September 2022 12: 54
                      And I can be sure that the one who breaks will not scream about it. And it is not always necessary to break, sometimes it is easier to look at indirect manifestations
            2. 0
              5 September 2022 18: 11
              It is somewhat naive to believe that algorithms are used in the international Internet network that ensure data security :-)
              At present, the main question is not how to open an encrypted data exchange, but how important it is to know the contents of this or that data exchange. Therefore, photos of cats seem to be securely encrypted.
              Well, do not forget about the efficiency of information. If the information is relevant for a shorter period of time than is required to open the cipher, then such a task from intelligence (obtaining important data) turns into a civil one (satisfying curiosity and solving the problem of cryptanalysis). However, if in the process of satisfying curiosity there are errors in the development or implementation of the cipher, then interested people will definitely find out about it.
              1. +1
                5 September 2022 21: 19
                It's math, you don't have to guess.
                At the moment, with proper settings, it is unhackable. Everyone is waiting for quantum computers to crack at least the old algorithms, but for a long time there have been methods that cannot be bypassed in this way.
                1. 0
                  30 September 2022 15: 57
                  Mathematics-mathematics - but the question is precisely the value of encrypted data. If it really needs to, then mathematics will fall victim to brute force, the expression of which will be supercomputers or arrays of computing modules. Key selection is a task that is quite simply divided into blocks. Such technologies are not yet available to civilians.
                  For example: Decoding a long key for a ZIP archive using brute force is very time consuming, but if you have access to more than one computer, then the time is conditionally reduced in proportion to the number of computers available.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 18: 50
                    Zip archive is an extremely outdated design, it is generally not considered a rack.
                    Rar you will not hack with any resources.
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2022 10: 35
                      A ZIP archive is a great example of a brute force application (we take an algorithm and sort through the passwords until we can decompress one of the files under the checksum). Relatively recently, ZIP archives began to appear, encrypted with an algorithm different from the original one (for example: the same AES), but have they become better protected from this? Steel, because the cost of opening has increased greatly.
                      And RAR, by the way, is not a panacea. If you set a short and/or simple password, then the archive will be opened by shkolota on a home personal computer, and if it is long and complex, then by serious people on a supercomputer (if the contents of the archive are so interesting to them). A good encryption algorithm will not save you from a bad password. Because the brute force method still works. Think, for example, why do information systems make the user wait a long time after entering an incorrect password, and why is the number of erroneous attempts to enter a password in serious systems limited?
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2022 14: 07
                        Once again, modern algorithms are unbreakable. It is clear that any remedy in the hands of an idiot does not work, but this is not an excuse.
                      2. 0
                        6 October 2022 23: 32
                        You will be surprised, but not all algorithms are perfect. Some algorithms have well-known and not very implementation errors. Another part of the algorithms has well-known and not so design errors. I will give an example of MD5, which for some time was considered ideal. Until they found a design error that allows you to get a similar amount on different data blocks. This means reducing the time for guessing a conditional password stored as MD5. And now everyone recommends using other SHA128/SHA256/...
                        But, nevertheless, I was talking about the computing power required to read the encrypted data. Because all modern encrypted data requires a symmetric key for decryption (one key is used for encryption and decryption) or asymmetric (encryption with one key, and decoding with another).
                        Therefore, the task of decrypting data is the selection of a key. If you have a supercomputer (one or more), then you will pick up the key quickly. The question is, do you definitely need to spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to watch cats in the feed of a conditional cart or not? Will you have time to decrypt the data of a conditional banking transaction (or an enemy combat order) before you can influence this transaction or not? I will give an example of the coolest triple DES encryption algorithm of the 90s, which almost everyone prayed for. And then it was discovered that the selection of the key of this algorithm (with the development of computer technology) became available to schoolchildren with a personal computer or a network of personal computers in a completely sane time.
                        And so yes. Your cats and bank transfers are securely protected from ... shkoloty.
                        Z.Y. and do not forget about thermorectal cryptanalysis, which still works against people who have not bothered with proper organizational security procedures.
                        Z.Z.Y. I also understand that social engineering and/or psychology methods are cheaper and in some places faster than computing power. But such methods leave obvious traces.
          3. +3
            5 September 2022 05: 40
            ... than Russian, processed by a primitive algorithm.

            And where did you get the idea that the algorithms are primitive and the speeds are not enough for 3 ... 5 kilohertz of the audio range ??? Yes, and for more than 20 years of development of the NSS-expansion of the spectrum, too, somehow they didn’t notice ???
            1. -1
              5 September 2022 07: 07
              Quote from tsvetahaki
              speeds are not enough for 3 ... 5 kilohertz audio range

              Why do you need such a range?
              1. +1
                6 September 2022 05: 01
                Why do you need such a range?

                And you do not know the width of the voice spectrum? And that it takes a little more than two Nyquists to digitize? That is, 10 kHz ADC-DAC is enough and there are all sorts of modulation methods, spread spectrum, FSS, DSS, what does WIFI and a smartphone do?? Yes, and the voice is pre-compressed well ...
                The 21st century in the yard, jumping fast hopping - when every half byte was jumping to a different frequency, with a changing hopping algorithm, plus encryption and strongest interference protection, I remember at the beginning of the XNUMXs ... On a small microcircuit ... And you are a whole rather big Tuvinian to each radio station how do you offer know-how...
                1. +1
                  6 September 2022 07: 22
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  And you do not know the width of the voice spectrum?

                  Until now, a width of 0,3-3,4 kHz has been used in communication. And so far enough... You want 5 kHz. I ask you: why? And you give me this set of words:
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  And that it takes a little more than two Nyquists to digitize? That is, 10 kHz ADC-DAC is enough and there are all sorts of modulation methods, spread spectrum, FSS, DSS, what does WIFI and a smartphone do?? Yes, and the voice is pre-compressed well ...

                  And I know about it:
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  jumping fast hopping - when every half a byte was jumping to a different frequency, with a changing hopping algorithm, plus encryption and the strongest interference protection, I remember at the beginning of the XNUMXs ... On a small microcircuit ...

                  And I know how to deal with it.
                  Quote from tsvetahaki
                  And you offer a whole rather big Tuvinian to each radio station as know-how ...

                  And where did I suggest??
            2. -1
              5 September 2022 21: 20
              Definitely primitive, and definitely easy to calculate on even the old hardware base.
              Plaintext is a disgrace.
        6. +2
          4 September 2022 22: 22
          Quote: Shurik70
          News for several months now.
          And more sad than funny.
          Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.
          And for some reason there are no such people in the Russian army.

          Yes, and Google Traslit to the rescue ..
        7. +4
          4 September 2022 22: 46
          Quote: Shurik70
          Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.



          these same microcircuits were invented in the West and your decrypted conversation will be with the enemy. The most fun is that if a fighter is captured or the enemy receives such an "encrypted" tube, he will be able to freely listen to your conversations.
          1. 0
            5 September 2022 08: 57
            these same microcircuits were invented in the West

            Logically. And Tuvans were invented by us. so everything is correct. And soon the order will come out - to take only Tuvans as radio operators. At the very least - Tofalars ....
          2. +1
            5 September 2022 17: 28
            The basic principle of cryptography is not to rely on the adversary not knowing the encryption algorithm. Sooner or later he becomes famous. We must rely on the encryption key and the strength of the algorithm.
          3. 0
            5 September 2022 21: 21
            Of course not. Even Russia knows how to produce such microcircuits, super-technologies are not needed here. And no, the captured tube will not allow you to hear too much.
        8. +1
          5 September 2022 04: 55
          If there is an opportunity to troll the enemy, then why not do it ?! wassat
        9. -1
          5 September 2022 18: 14
          The manufacturer of these microcircuits knows the hardwired code, and therefore decryption will not be difficult. Only our own developments, not known to the enemy, can be used with some effort by our military. And the Tuvan language, like others, can be very useful.
        10. 0
          6 September 2022 15: 47
          Shurik70. You can not imagine, but intercoms, without the possibility of decoding, were already during the war with Hitler. But even better devices were during my service in the 1960s. It was possible to speak, transmit telegrams, work on the key and no one could decipher it until today. And it's all over the radio. It was possible to speak at the same time, because the connection was duplex. And also do whatever you want. And the Americans may have done this in the 90s, when the Grabbians began to sell the country, or maybe not. Few understood this.
      2. +11
        4 September 2022 20: 27
        Quote: BARKAS
        And some kind of one tribe like.
        The Navajo tribe. In addition to Tuvans, we have Buryats, Yakuts and many more nationalities! laughing
        1. -2
          4 September 2022 23: 41
          Chukchi reader))
        2. +2
          5 September 2022 03: 51
          Quote: Good
          In addition to Tuvans, we have Buryats, Yakuts and many more nationalities!

          The Buryat language with Tunkinsky (as an example, no offense to Tunk!) pronunciation is power! laughing
      3. +7
        4 September 2022 22: 09
        Navajo. There was a movie with Nicolas Cage called Windtalkers. Not the worst movie in my opinion.
      4. +2
        4 September 2022 23: 33
        From the Navajo tribe. There is even a movie - Windtalkers (2002)
      5. 0
        5 September 2022 02: 11
        Quote: BARKAS
        And some kind of one tribe like.

        The Navajo tribe, as the most numerous.
      6. 0
        5 September 2022 03: 43
        Quote: BARKAS
        And some kind of one tribe like.

        Navajo
      7. 0
        5 September 2022 12: 05
        and this tribe is the Navajo, the language there is such that it is almost hopeless for a European to learn it. But ours too - they could and put the Yakuts on the "encryption", you will also look for a translator ...
    2. +35
      4 September 2022 19: 45
      During WWII in the United States, Indians were cryptographers.


      God be with them, with the Indians. The fact is that we are negotiating live on the air in plain text without any encodings! Here is the problem!
      Hence the question: "where are our modern digital coded communication systems?" Not having, by the way, analogues in the world? Again Chubais is to blame?
      On TV, always muzzled well-fed people tell how good it is with us, and that. And as thunder strikes, Bayofeng in hand and forward.
      1. +6
        4 September 2022 22: 40
        Quote: Podvodnik
        On TV, always muzzled well-fed people tell how good it is with us, and that. And as thunder strikes, Bayofeng in hand and forward.

        So the fattened muzzle is doing well! Do they say it's good for all of us? At least for example, take a wrist watch and compare - with us and with them!
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          1. 0
            5 September 2022 07: 40
            Watch mechanisms in Moscow. region and are now producing.
      2. +2
        4 September 2022 23: 39
        Quote: Podvodnik
        The fact is that we are negotiating live on the air in plain text without any encodings! Here is the problem!

        The problem is that you are completely confusing encryption (hiding the contents of the message) and encoding (adding additional data to the original message in order to restore it in case of loss). These are two different operations and are aimed at solving different problems. I agree that the encoded message will be different from the original, but it will be a billion times (maybe trillions) easier to open it than the encrypted one. Hence the question: do you understand what you need? There is also steganography. Also a good thing.
        1. +7
          5 September 2022 00: 10
          do you understand what you need?


          Well, we are not on the forum of cryptographers and cryptographers. Naturally, encoding and encryption are two different things.
          I want a simple thing: all negotiations of our Armed Forces should be inaccessible for the withdrawal of information. Since different levels of aircraft require different resistance to decoding / decoding, the corresponding units must be provided with communication equipment of the appropriate level of resistance. Because there is a concept of "relevance and obsolescence" of data. For the department level, this is, suppose, a day. For the commander of a month. That is, after this time, decryption / decoding becomes meaningless. The data will become outdated. But let's not go into the wilds. The situation when a conversation is on the air even without a scrambler is unacceptable!
          I rate the texture described in the article as a SHAME! This is what I wanted to convey with my previous comment.
          1. +5
            5 September 2022 04: 05
            Of course, it’s a disgrace. But we have almost two hundred languages. In the same Caucasus, the inhabitants of neighboring villages do not understand each other. And there are so many languages ​​​​in the north. So the generals responsible for communications can sleep peacefully for another 50 years laughing laughing laughing laughing
          2. 0
            5 September 2022 11: 05
            You need to communicate on the air using coded signals, but who uses them))))) Even the enemy in 90% of cases on the air "sits" in Russian, not in his Ukrainian.
          3. +1
            9 September 2022 14: 31
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Well, we are not on the forum of cryptographers and cryptographers.

            Cryptography and encryption are one and the same. It's like writing about a forum for water divers.

            Quote: Podvodnik
            I want a simple thing: all negotiations of our Armed Forces should be inaccessible for the withdrawal of information.

            This is the wrong assignment.

            Quote: Podvodnik
            resistance to decryption/decoding

            Above, they themselves wrote that these are different things.

            Quote: Podvodnik
            For the department level, this is, suppose, a day.

            At least a decade, given the progress in cryptanalysis.

            Quote: Podvodnik
            For the commander of the month

            For such heights, resistance of several centuries is now set.

            Quote: Podvodnik
            I rate the texture described in the article as a SHAME!

            I completely agree about the article. The embarrassment is indescribable. In general, the special operation revealed so much trash and disgusting things. So much betrayal and scum revealed. Wherever you throw a traitor or who is ashamed to be Russian.
      3. +4
        4 September 2022 23: 43
        And the coolest electronic warfare, even destroyers go out of them ....
      4. +1
        4 September 2022 23: 54
        And they are not! I asked my friends from the NVO zone, they say even if there is a "classification" mode in the radios, they talk through open channels. Because it's easier and the connection is faster. And each office has its own means of communication, which are not connected to each other in any way.
        1. +6
          5 September 2022 00: 20
          Because it's easier and communication is faster


          I agree. Talked faster, responded faster. But no one canceled the organization of communication. Otherwise, the loss of people.
          But the fact that different offices do not hear each other is bad. This is very bad. The most important thing in war is the interaction of diverse forces and means. This interaction is the key to victory.
          The conclusion is simple. It is necessary to do business in peacetime, and not arrange presentations and video conferences. Well, and imperishable: "Heavy in teaching, easy in battle."
        2. +2
          5 September 2022 02: 22
          it took the Americans more than 20 years and a storm in the desert to establish interspecific communications, but they established such a connection, I would like to believe that now and after ours we will begin to actively create and introduce an analogue of link 16 into the army, otherwise communication between artillery and infantry looks like dialogue between the blind and the deaf...
    3. +6
      4 September 2022 20: 43
      Is this from the "Make the Comedian Laugh" series? feel
      However, in some areas this may be the case. Or do you all think like x_ohly that we have only Buryats fighting there?
    4. +2
      4 September 2022 22: 03
      Quote: -Paul-
      Everything new is well forgotten old.

      Directly removed from the tongue)
      It remains only to come up with terms in the Tuvan language that are not in it and communicate openly for a while)
      1. 0
        4 September 2022 23: 54
        Quote: Momotomba
        It remains only to come up with terms in the Tuvan language that are not in it

        and the terms go in plain text - "dill (hereinafter referred to as obscene belonging to the male sexual organ with emphasis on the first syllable)"
      2. 0
        5 September 2022 00: 32
        . It remains only to come up with terms in the Tuvan language


        Zadornov remembered. I read a letter from an American radio intelligence officer who translated our negotiations:
        -Where is the log?
        -on .... scratching a monkey

        And he did translate!
        -Where is Captain Derevianko?
        -on ...... examines the captured MK-46 torpedo
    5. +8
      4 September 2022 22: 20
      The news is bad. Because there would be modern radio stations with digital encryption - there would be no need to deal with such crap
      1. +2
        5 September 2022 00: 25
        Quote: Birch fresh
        there would be no need to deal with such crap

        Eh, you wouldn’t run from the R-159 to the advantage with the Historian screwed on, you wouldn’t write such crap. With such charm, even body armor is not needed
        1. +4
          5 September 2022 02: 07
          You would also remember the 105th .....
          And with communication, etc. everything is traditional with our interaction ....... well, in general
        2. Aag
          +3
          5 September 2022 05: 54
          Quote from barbos
          Quote: Birch fresh
          there would be no need to deal with such crap

          Eh, you wouldn’t run from the R-159 to the advantage with the Historian screwed on, you wouldn’t write such crap. With such charm, even body armor is not needed

          And they ran with R-105, R-107 ...
          Well, the years have passed! And we also have the R-123 (on which I wrote my diploma more than 30 years ago ...) ... I remember how they lost communication along the PGRK column with antennas pulled up to 5 meters on the R-173. At the same time, the accompanying GAI officers communicated via wearables ...
          1. 0
            5 September 2022 17: 38
            Establishing a connection is of a probabilistic nature. And you cannot calculate this probability from one case. So it's still better to have a 5-meter antenna, at a height of 3 m, a 45-ton counterweight and a GU-50 at the exit ... wink
            1. Aag
              +1
              5 September 2022 21: 22
              Quote: stankow
              Establishing a connection is of a probabilistic nature. And you cannot calculate this probability from one case. So it's still better to have a 5-meter antenna, at a height of 3 m, a 45-ton counterweight and a GU-50 at the exit ... wink

              That's right, colleague, hang up. (I have no weighty counterarguments to your comments ...
              But! ... In reality, more often, everything is different .. (even though the "connectors" turned out to be higher / in terms of professional training than "pure rocket men". ... IMHO [/ i]
              1. 0
                5 September 2022 22: 03
                Anything beats during the propagation of radio waves. Yes, and the range of the R-123 is either HF or VHF
        3. +1
          6 September 2022 09: 57
          But why? They ran, and how! Not only from 159, but also from 158, 147, 107.
    6. +1
      4 September 2022 22: 21
      As far as I remember - the Navajo tribe.
    7. -1
      5 September 2022 08: 59
      I wonder what "deck bomber" sounds like in the Navajo language?
      1. +1
        5 September 2022 17: 43
        A condor carries a 500-pound kid? laughing
    8. -1
      5 September 2022 15: 55
      During WWII in the United States, Indians were cryptographers.

      In 1941, the partisans had bad codes and often used open communications, so the Germans quickly figured out the partisans and destroyed them. One, despite the not weak protection of communications, was well away from the Germans, who could not figure out and destroy the detachment.
      When our people began to understand, it turned out that the radio operator in the detachment was a Chechen who did not know Russian well, and the Germans could not understand what he was transmitting.
      This is a historical fact.
    9. 0
      6 September 2022 09: 49
      The second front was opened only in June 1944", and the US began land battles with Japan in April 1945.

      In the Red Army since 1941, there were cases of signalmen from Yakutia and other peoples of the USSR.
  2. +25
    4 September 2022 19: 40
    It's a shame, it's just a shame, there is no secure digital communication, they use a hundred-year-old method and brag...
    1. +4
      4 September 2022 19: 45
      I agree. The problem is very serious.
    2. -1
      4 September 2022 19: 47
      It is not at the lower level, most likely up to and including the company.
    3. -14
      4 September 2022 19: 49
      tone
      ..... use the method of a hundred years ago and show off ...

      I am not an expert in communications, but modern electronic warfare equipment can also suppress digital communications.
      1. +3
        4 September 2022 22: 32
        It's not about suppression. The point is that messages are transmitted in clear text, without encryption. And the enemy does not sleep. And here, because our effective managers from the Ministry of Defense and no less effective strategists and the General Staff did not think of buying digital stations. Which are needed in fact up to the branch. Not to mention the larger divisions.
      2. -2
        4 September 2022 23: 42
        By means of electronic warfare, any kind of communication can be suppressed. Although there is still a quantum connection (look for unbelievers on the Internet). But even there you can put message transfers.
        1. +1
          5 September 2022 00: 40
          . Electronic warfare means can suppress any kind of communication


          This is not always true. The ancient reel-to-reel phone from the Second World War cannot be suppressed. Modern communication with a frequency that changes according to a certain algorithm is also hard to suppress. The eternal struggle of the shield and sword. But modern means of communication should be in the troops!
          1. 0
            9 September 2022 14: 20
            Quote: Podvodnik
            the reel-to-reel phone from the Second World War cannot be suppressed.

            TA-57 is not much different from a children's telephon made of scourging and empty matchboxes attached to the ends. I agree, we practically do not destroy the electronic warfare, but the connection is easily broken by a break in the field cable. And it is torn by all and sundry.
    4. -1
      6 September 2022 09: 54
      You just don't know.
      We have had secure communications since 1985, I remember the communications regiment, so even at the location of the unit, the armed guards did not allow access to the kungs with radio units and antennas.
      These are command vehicles and they provide communication that is not intercepted, via satellites.
      Here, apparently, we are talking about a tactical connection between the squads of platoons and companies.
  3. +14
    4 September 2022 19: 41
    And if the Tuvans start singing, then all the "hearers" will be completely paralyzed! laughing
    1. +8
      4 September 2022 20: 04
      Quote from Pharmacist
      And if the Tuvans start singing, then all the "hearers" will be completely paralyzed! laughing

      Windtalkers
      Film on the topic of the article.
    2. -1
      6 September 2022 10: 01
      "Hearing" hopaks are trained for the convenience of running from positions in jumps. :))
  4. +11
    4 September 2022 19: 41
    It is worth noting that this is not the first case of this kind, which was reported by the Ministry of Defense.

    There are 294 more languages ​​and dialects of the peoples of Russia in reserve. Ukrainians have no chance.
  5. -5
    4 September 2022 19: 41
    Learn foreign languages! And it's not just English! ))) And it's time for signalers to take this "phenomenon" into service, to create groups of signalers with their native languages. There are many nationalities in Russia, and many of them participate in the NWO. So let the Armed Forces of Ukraine jump with their language, which everyone can make out, but they will keep complete secrecy in the troops of the Russian Federation!
    1. +16
      4 September 2022 19: 43
      but it is possible to provide ZAS to the fighters and there will be no need to pervert ..
      1. +5
        4 September 2022 20: 22
        but it is possible to provide ZAS to the fighters and there will be no need to pervert ..

        True, but then it is necessary to organize the distribution of keys to each subscriber, change them often, block the leakage channels. One puncture - and before the change of keys, everyone hears everything. Although the enemy will also be able to find at least a Tuvan, at least a Nanai. But he alone will not have time to translate everything. ... I wonder what computer translators with real-time voice came up with?
        1. +4
          4 September 2022 20: 42
          temporary durability already in the format of portable radio stations, weighing a couple of hundred grams - they learned to provide it for a long time .. it is completely enough for simple negotiations of fighters ..
          1. -1
            6 September 2022 10: 05
            I believe that everything is not so simple, here a specialist radio engineer should comment.
            1. +1
              6 September 2022 10: 09
              this, in fact, I am .. was at one time in positions, up to the beginning. regiment communications. hi
              1. 0
                6 September 2022 19: 03
                Please explain whether there is a risk of a promising radio station being carried into the hands of the enemy on the front line and how this can affect the decoding of the radio exchange?
                As far as is known, a synchronous frequency change is currently used at the transmitting and receiving stations according to the algorithm.
                But modern professional scanners do not give even 40% confidence that the enemy is not listening.
                A serious chip is expensive to put and the risk of hitting the enemy.
                1. +1
                  6 September 2022 19: 57
                  I won't go into detail, but in a nutshell...
                  Quote: valentin light
                  is there a risk of a promising radio station being carried into the hands of the enemy on the front line and how can this affect the decoding of the radio exchange?

                  Naturally, there is a risk, and moreover, there is even a certainty that this will happen sooner or later.
                  BUT digital stations have greatly changed the encryption systems .. indeed from the existing ones, the simplest is
                  Quote: valentin light
                  synchronous frequency change at the transmitting and receiving stations according to the algorithm.
                  this is already much better than nothing and is used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and yes, it is decoded, but still it takes time one way or another, for all manipulations, and it is complicated when opponents use the same language. But, for example, there is already an E2E system where keys are generated every time a radio exchange is conducted between subscribers. Scanners won't help much here.
                  Quote: valentin light
                  A serious chip is expensive to put and the risk of hitting the enemy.

                  a serious chip for e2e is not needed, for example, the wake-up copes on a regular phone..
                  the problem is a little different - a captured radio station can be used as a "fake call", but this is very limited and it is possible to influence a compromised subscriber - up to blocking his signal .. but in general, it is almost impossible to provide absolutely guaranteed resistance to units intended for direct combat because of the risk of physical contact with the enemy.. but.. do they need it, guaranteed? their situation is changing rapidly ... but at the level of parts-connections and above, it exists .. it is definitely needed there ..
        2. +2
          4 September 2022 23: 48
          Quote: dauria
          True, but then it is necessary to organize the distribution of keys to each subscriber, change them often, block the leakage channels

          But this is the answer to all questions and dissatisfaction. Everything depends on the keys and their safety. at the beginning, the Americans tested everything on civilians - the same HTTPS Internet protocol. They skated on it and continue to run in a safe environment for transferring keys. And hundreds of independent experts are trying to find holes in it, thereby increasing its durability.
      2. 0
        4 September 2022 20: 45
        It's impossible to speak in ZAS. solid "qua-qua"
        1. +6
          4 September 2022 20: 51
          your initial communication didn’t really mean or the equipment, since qua-qua .. qua-qua-usually when the enemy is listening wink
        2. +1
          5 September 2022 00: 05
          Quote: Sadok
          It's impossible to speak in ZAS. solid "qua-qua"

          ZAS-ZASu strife. Different types of equipment, different types of communication used, and so on and so forth ...
          Let's say "Historian" on portable r / st already in the 90s, the intelligibility was 99% (almost like standing next to and talking)
          1. 0
            6 September 2022 12: 04
            we had such ... like a regular telephone without a disk. but heavy...
        3. 0
          5 September 2022 17: 47
          Is it old, analog ZAS?
      3. -5
        4 September 2022 23: 56
        Our ZAS do not have!!! And if there is, then they don’t use it. too difficult.
    2. +2
      4 September 2022 22: 34
      Yes Yes. And each DRG or reconnaissance group must be given a Tuvan with a walkie-talkie. Better than two. One spare.
      1. +1
        4 September 2022 23: 13
        Yes, two tactical Tuvim and three unruly Buryats are our everything!
      2. -1
        6 September 2022 10: 08
        In modern conditions, a DRG that has come into contact is a liquidated DRG.
  6. +9
    4 September 2022 19: 43
    Soon, the Atal (Volga) volunteer communications battalion, which is still being formed in Chuvashia, will arrive, for a change laughing
    1. +1
      4 September 2022 22: 41
      In 1 Chechen Chuvash OMON so got ...
  7. +5
    4 September 2022 19: 45
    I read a book as a child, it described the storming of Berlin and the fact that negotiations on the air were conducted in the Tatar language, fortunately, the Tatars were present in each of our units
  8. -2
    4 September 2022 19: 49
    I would like to believe that we have equipment, etc., but they keep it “secret” in case of larger-scale showdowns ...
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  10. +1
    4 September 2022 19: 53
    The news is out.
  11. GNM
    +6
    4 September 2022 19: 58
    Russia is a multinational country, on the territory of which many nationalities live with their own customs and languages.


  12. +5
    4 September 2022 19: 59
    Why does the army of a superpower need normal encrypted communication if there are Tuvans ..
    1. -1
      6 September 2022 10: 13
      We have a coded communication and working via a satellite beam, interception is impossible, but this is for the headquarters of divisions and corps.
      Tactical communication should probably be easier because of the risk of falling as a trophy to the enemy.

      The one that found a way, or rather remembered the experience of grandfathers THIS IS COMMITTED!
  13. +3
    4 September 2022 20: 02
    Quote: BARKAS
    And some kind of one tribe like.

    Cherokee, there is a holiday in the USA dedicated to Cherokee radio operators
  14. +4
    4 September 2022 20: 10
    and Shoigu called his relatives)
    I haven't been able to find an electronic dictionary on the internet.
  15. +4
    4 September 2022 20: 17
    Quote: -Paul-
    Everything new is well forgotten old. During WWII in the United States, Indians were cryptographers.

    Chechen fighters also speak their own language.
    1. +4
      4 September 2022 20: 23
      On the other hand, there are also enough foreign-speaking
      1. 0
        6 September 2022 19: 09
        Well, yes, in one unit there is an Amer, and in another there is an Estonian, one is clumsily in Russian, the other is also in English :)))
  16. +2
    4 September 2022 20: 23
    laughing Boshkegny shulay itim! Cool idea!
  17. -4
    4 September 2022 20: 23
    A Tuvinian with a sharpening is already a bad gift)))
  18. +19
    4 September 2022 20: 24
    Tuva is a special pearl among all national republics. The Tuvan People's Republic was the first of the states that entered the war against Nazi Germany on the side of the USSR. All sorts of America and England there in the summer of 1941 picked their noses around the corner and watched the USSR bleed, and the Tuva People's Republic on June 22, 1941 declared war on Germany and began to help the USSR.
    And just a few hundred thousand of the population of the TNR supplied the USSR so much that if we take the ratio of the population of Tuva and the same America, America did not even stand next to Tuva. Thousands of horses for the Red Army, hundreds of thousands of cattle, tens of thousands of pairs of skis , short fur coats, felt boots, mittens. And how many more bandages, honey for the wounded did Tuva supply for the USSR! And everything is virtually free. Tuva even gave its entire gold reserve to the Soviet Union to defeat Germany.
    But the saddest and most disgusting, today, is that Tuva, being already part of the USSR in 1944, transferred several tens of thousands of cows to the Ukrainian SSR, liberated from fascism, from which the revival of Ukrainian animal husbandry began. And today, the guys from Tuva in Ukraine need to beat not German, but already Ukrainian fascists, whose goals in relation to Russia are identical with the goals of the German Nazis, in relation to the USSR.
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 10: 19
      All right. Tuva helped a lot and the Mongols.
      Why, suddenly, in the winter of 1942, everyone was already in sheepskin coats, and sometimes not only officers?
      In unity is power!
  19. 0
    4 September 2022 20: 33
    . Ukrainians can’t attach Evrit, they bachut it better than a graduate student
    1. +1
      4 September 2022 21: 29
      Quote: Vladimir_ninulya
      . Ukrainians can’t attach Evrit, they bachut it better than a graduate student

      Ukrainians do not understand Hebrew, the top of the Svidou-kro speaks Hebrew .. Zelensky. Poroshenko (Valtsman), Tymoshenko (Kapitelman), Kalamoysky and other Groysmans..Watching the people of Ukraine.
      1. +1
        4 September 2022 23: 44
        Whoever does not know Hebrew is not educated, whoever does not know Yiddish is not a Jew.
        Yiddish is known, but Hebrew is taught
        Hebrew is an ancient Hebrew language and only a select few know it. Usually Jews communicate in Yiddish and not all owners of Jewish surnames know the language of their ancestors. Ukrainians have their own Esperanto))) so the words have been mutilated that without the context of a whale, one cannot distinguish a whale from a whale.
  20. -2
    4 September 2022 20: 36
    Is it that our communication channels are so well protected that we have to use all sorts of "phenomena"?
    1. -1
      6 September 2022 10: 23
      Tactical communication cannot be secret due to the risk of capture by the enemy, as it is used directly on "0" or behind it.
  21. +4
    4 September 2022 20: 43
    The phenomenon is that the modern Russian army does not have secure communications. And he uses the services of Tuvan cryptographers
    1. -1
      4 September 2022 21: 20
      p 159 with the "Historian" is morally and technically outdated already?
    2. +1
      4 September 2022 23: 59
      There is no guaranteed secure system for key delivery and revocation. Without it, everything will quickly turn into a dummy. The encryption system itself is quite powerful (thanks to the Soviet mathematical school, because there is the most intelligent matan). But how can you safely spill the keys and recall them if they fall into the wrong hands? Who knows, tell me? This is the most important question.
      1. 0
        5 September 2022 17: 51
        The head of communications in the division knows. That's his concern. But he won’t say, it’s not customary about it ... wink
        1. 0
          9 September 2022 14: 38
          Knowing is not enough, you still need to implement it. For example, how would you arrange for the revocation or replacement of keys from an ambushed group? How many AAC specialists would you send for this purpose and how? Let me remind you that when encryption equipment falls into the hands of the enemy, they will not pick it with a bayonet-knife in a trench in order to extract the encryption keys. This equipment may very soon even be overseas in Fort Meade.
    3. 0
      6 September 2022 10: 27
      has since the 1980s, I had to see signalmen go to the exercises.
      From several machines and communication is not intercepted.
      The purpose of the headquarters of the Armies, Corps, divisions, maybe even wider, is unknown to me.
  22. +5
    4 September 2022 20: 50
    It's strange to read this, because. back in the early 2000s, our connection seemed to be encoded or encrypted (what is the difference there is no desire to understand) .. the keys were at the stations, I don’t remember too well, if there was an interception, then the enemy heard something like gurgling ...
    Then there were also small walkie-talkies, some sort of ARs ... they also somehow transmitted communications in a coded way .. small, of course, relatively, they were unloaded, instead of stores they were placed ... as I remember now, we were told that these ARs were worth about 180 thousand rubles. , and we were paid 130 thousand for six months ... so I was very afraid of losing her ... of course, now it’s funny as I remember, but then, this Arch is like a piece of gold ..
    I won’t say for all the units that are fighting, but for some formations of the RF Armed Forces, it’s like the connection is closed ..
    1. 0
      6 September 2022 10: 31
      It seems to me that the tactical communication of squads, platoons and companies can get to the enemy, can quickly fail at the forefront, and even communication with floating frequencies.
      But this is my guess, if there are engineers, let them fix it technically.
  23. +6
    4 September 2022 20: 53
    But what if the Tuvan guys in the NMD used the Russian language in radio communications, would Ukrainian intelligence understand the content of the radio interception without any problems? And what is it then for the security of radio communications? It turns out that in Russian it intercepts and understands everything, but in the Tuvan language it intercepts, but does not understand the Tuvan language? However, I am not an expert, and I may not understand something in these matters. Then excuse me, I didn’t want to offend our soldiers and specialists, and even the equipment ...
    1. +2
      4 September 2022 21: 39
      And soldiers and specialists just don’t solve procurement / supply issues. Those who are really to blame cannot be offended, they sit too high.
    2. +2
      4 September 2022 22: 06
      Out of respect for you...
      I communicated with participants from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, their communication was definitely secure ... they told me so, there were no problems with the UAV, and in general there were no problems with anything and they were positive ..
      And in a telegram or here I read that the whole world is throwing off on UAVs, etc. , there are a lot of problems ... I think that it is different in different divisions, especially in the divisions of the LDNR, probably ....
  24. +5
    4 September 2022 20: 53
    Terrible phenomenon.
    It was used back in the 2nd World War for sure, and it seems like in the 1st World War ....

    Does this not indicate a strong possibility of intercepting lines by the enemy?
    1. +1
      4 September 2022 23: 49
      In the East Prussian operation (1914), ours were driven in plain text: (Hindenburg and Ludendorff took advantage ...
      1. 0
        5 September 2022 17: 53
        Hardly. Then more by telegraph, and the telegraph is simply encrypted. code table.
    2. 0
      5 September 2022 00: 04
      Quote: Max1995
      Does this not indicate a strong possibility of intercepting lines by the enemy?

      This possibility is taken into account initially. Think on the opposite side everything is chocolate with encryption? The answer to this and related questions, in my opinion, opens up completely different views on what is happening.
  25. -4
    4 September 2022 20: 53
    That's what kind of people. There is not enough money even for food, for the children of the oligarchs. And you are talking about some kind of microcircuits in the army. There is nothing more to do.
  26. +2
    4 September 2022 21: 11
    "News" two months ago.
  27. 0
    4 September 2022 21: 23
    The method is old and quite reliable. However, this indicates that the army no longer trusts its modern encryption systems. It's not easy. And the news is bad.
    1. +1
      5 September 2022 11: 36
      Quote: Mikhail3
      However, this indicates that the army no longer trusts its modern encryption systems.
      Green grapes.
      1. -1
        5 September 2022 13: 11
        Keep torpedoes dry!
    2. 0
      6 September 2022 19: 15
      here the most important thing is "reliable"!
      What is needed for the army.
      1. -1
        7 September 2022 07: 48
        Who used this word and why? A Tuvan will overeat with stale rations and go to the hospital. Until the next one is sent, how to communicate? Smoke pillars? The cipher can be decrypted by anyone with the key. The encoder can be changed to another, it is easy to make as many as you need. It is much more difficult to change Tuvans and make more. In addition, there are not enough necessary words in the Tuvan language)
        It’s good to lie to yourself, the task of reliable encrypted communication has clearly failed, otherwise the grandfather’s methods would not have gone into business. It seems that everything is connected with the owner of the company, which provided our country with algorithms and technology, who was arrested last year. For a year, of course, they could not replace anything. Effective managers are our government...
        1. -2
          7 September 2022 09: 42
          It was said here by one commentator that we have DIGITAL and encoding, the armies of the people's Republic have few of them.
          If the Tuvans use negotiations, then it's just convenient.
          The fact is that the Nazis are going to be driven and grind!
          1. 0
            7 September 2022 09: 49
            Yes, I heard what was said. Can you answer the question - what to do if a Tuvan becomes mournful in his stomach? If our army does not trust the divisions of the Republics of the cipher system, why does it, as required by the Charter, establish cooperation by sending communications officers to these divisions? Or is there an enclave of Tuvans in the DPR, which is enough for everything? Enough...
            1. -2
              7 September 2022 10: 33
              Okay, I'll explain my beliefs as best I can.

              Here in the service, I had to see systems of several machines with equipment for special communications, as the signalmen said, it’s not that it’s not decipherable, it’s not interceptable, because at a certain time it throws a signal with a low-divergent beam to the satellite, and it switches the desired connection and this was in 1986.
              This is a connection for headquarters, etc.
              The guards did not allow anyone to see her, even within the unit.
              Over the years, I think that something more perfect has appeared, but for headquarters.

              Here we are discussing not the "failure" of domestic radio engineering and the "incorrect" purchases for the army, but namely the tactical radio stations worn by the soldiers and not even the company stations.

              In essence, the role of a tactical radio is an "advanced walkie-talkie" for adults.
              If, as the commentator here said, "they are digital", then there is inevitably encryption, but this is not encryption!
              This is very important to understand.
              So it is with the Swedes, where every soldier is supplied with radio headphones and in the USA.
              They use, probably, to reduce radio capture, moving along frequencies in a given algorithm.
              But it's still not encryption.
              Therefore, the military uses coding for objects and objects, but an incomprehensible language guarantees the same as encryption-translation after the battle already.

              Your question is what to do if "a Tuvan is ill"?
              I believe that I answered it above will use encoding, obscene slang and and allegory (Russian allows this with ease).
              With respect to you, this concludes. :))
              1. -1
                8 September 2022 07: 45
                What you "discuss and not discuss" only you understand. Your answer contains many words, but nothing that explains the situation. Are you winding up the counter? Ugh...
                1. -1
                  8 September 2022 09: 43
                  Don't care about the counter... (I don't even think it's here)
                  Did you serve in the army?
                  And then you comment and downvote, but there is nothing literate on the topic.
                  If you are in the topic, reveal the nuances of it.
                  I gave simple, accessible arguments for simple portable radios and explained why encoding and encryption are not the same thing when fast exchange of information in duplex communication is important.

                  You didn't bring anything.
  28. -1
    4 September 2022 21: 24
    Simple and smart. Congratulations
  29. HAM
    +2
    4 September 2022 21: 26
    I carefully look at which radio stations flicker in news clips. Basically, the military personnel of the republics flicker Chinese "Baefeng UV5---7", cheap, capricious, weak. But many Russian military personnel have more serious equipment, judging by the antennas, multi-band, digital, although some several fighters - "Baefengi" as a spare, simpler .. and many more trophies.
  30. -1
    4 September 2022 21: 33
    We use our national language, namely Tuvan, so that in the event of a radio intercept, the enemy would not be able to understand what is being said.

    Have you seen enough movies about a sniper - Yakut "Private Cheerin" ...
    The next delusional fantasies of the current directors about the war ...
  31. -3
    4 September 2022 21: 34
    Just think ... The main thing is that secure communications, soft chairs and large screens are here:
  32. -1
    4 September 2022 21: 36
    Fine
    After 20 years of lifting someone off their knees and introducing nanotechnologies, the most patriotic army does not have, you understand - NO - equipment for encrypting radio communications ... NO. It is in any store, but for the army, "liberating" some kind of "world", the government of the "liberating" country does not give it. Tuvans...
    Great-grandfathers fought like this and you will die like that too, rogue warriors ... So what?
    1. +3
      5 September 2022 00: 16
      Quote: yakisam
      After 20 years of lifting someone off their knees and introducing nanotechnologies, the most patriotic army does not have, you understand - NO - equipment for encrypting radio communications ... NO.

      The Lord is with you, have mercy. Of course, I understand that you know better from the sofa. Just ten years ago, the top manufacturers of network equipment and not only them (those same transnational corporations) would give a lot (unimaginably much) for some of the secrets of our encryption. Because of this, they were not particularly eager to supply their equipment.
      In general, about eight countries on the planet have high expertise in encryption. Of these, only two are not part of the NATO bloc and have their own unique mathematical schools (cryptography is only mathematics). Which countries have been constantly fighting for the world mathematical crown for the last decade? I'll give you a hint - Russia and China.
      1. 0
        6 September 2022 10: 12
        Quote from barbos
        Which countries have been constantly fighting for the world mathematical crown for the last decade? I'll give you a hint - Russia and China.

        This is certainly cool, and it is useful to know how and then that Pushkin is a great Russian poet. The question is, where is the equipment? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have it, the AFRF does not. That's all.
        1. -1
          6 September 2022 19: 19
          The Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing new, even to continue the war, so that they die more, they send them junk.
          1. +1
            6 September 2022 20: 09
            Gloom ... you should at least ask what equipment the Armed Forces of Ukraine use for communication ... and not interfere in a bunch
            Quote: valentin light
            there is nothing new
            . In RA there are also both advanced images and outright junk. The same is true of the APU. And just on some issues of organization of communication they are much better. Well, the fact that they are beaten, so you won’t win much with one connection.
        2. 0
          9 September 2022 14: 10
          But you know, I asked some questions about the equipment and not only the equipment for them, for us, for others. Possible answers (I don't know how true or true they are) greatly change the view on the features of the operation. The water is very dark.
      2. 0
        11 September 2022 15: 26
        "for some secrets" - like for two Tuvans who speak articulately?
        Oh well...
        I have a portable radio station with the ability to encrypt the voice channel with an external hardware key that appeared about a year ago in 2008, moreover, CIVIL, made in the Russian Federation by the way. and all my friends too ... we just didn’t need the keys, no one bought or used them - we don’t need to encrypt on trips and hikes :)
        And back in 2008, we were worried that as soon as the military LEARNED about the production of these radios, EVERYTHING WILL BUY or forbid to sell to the civilian market. But ... almost 15 years have passed, and the military has a need for Tuvans, and soldiers don't have radio stations like mine. The government did not buy :) That's what I'm talking about ...
        If you do not understand, then with an external hardware encryption key, it does not matter who owns the "mathematical crown" there. Because it is impossible to drive the radio exchange of the COMPANY link through the supercomputer in real time, and the key can be switched at least with each transmission ...
  33. -2
    4 September 2022 21: 39
    This is a common practice ... .. in the Caucasus alone, you can recruit radio operators ......
    1. -1
      6 September 2022 19: 21
      Not allowed. There is a cheap and extremely strong effect from rare nationalities.
      1. -1
        6 September 2022 21: 14
        There are more such peoples in the Caucasus ....
        1. -2
          7 September 2022 09: 36
          :)
          In northeastern Siberia there are nationalities of 250 - 500 people and the language has almost no vowels, but many others :))
          But no one will recruit signalmen either in the Caucasus or in Siberia, especially for "encryption" - this happened apparently by accident, as an additional good option.
  34. +13
    4 September 2022 21: 41
    And why do our frontline fighters use the methods of our great-grandfathers in 2022?!
    This is a question for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation!
    Is this from a good life or something ?!
    How much money was written off for modern means of communication, let General Konashenkov tell us.
    1. 0
      4 September 2022 23: 49
      Now it’s a lieutenant general ..... and communications are encrypted as in Shirley-myrli ....
    2. -1
      6 September 2022 19: 23
      Let them enjoy!
      Since the enemy does not understand with expensive scanners, then it’s already good!
      The main thing is to beat the enemy.
  35. +2
    4 September 2022 21: 51
    Quote: Shurik70
    Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.
    And for some reason there are no such people in the Russian army.

    You opened the cipherbook for each set of engines on the keys
    for a session? You burned a used sheet in the presence of a changer
    under joint painting? Burnt leaf turning into ashes? And "Mace" and
    "Interior" (hardware guaranteed secrecy of communications) could be
    decrypt, but the decryption time lost the meaning of decryption.
    And you are talking about household microcircuits. "The enemy does not sleep, the NSA does not sleep."
    1. +2
      4 September 2022 23: 05
      I did everything you listed. But, this does not apply to communications at the platoon-squad-fighter level, which need temporary durability, and not guaranteed. The news is about them, and not about hardware ZAS.
      1. +3
        5 September 2022 02: 21
        And this is not important, the main thing is to speak beautifully so that everyone understands that everything is not easy ..... Nafua Mahre guaranteed stamina in a company-platoon? Like others at this level ..... But it is necessary to show education and support patriotism .... The background is not particularly joyful today, again, again, "readiness for negotiations" ..... So everything is logical
  36. GNM
    0
    4 September 2022 22: 25
    How Ukraine's Intelligence Service Faced the "Tuva Phenomenon" of the "Brave"

  37. 0
    4 September 2022 22: 46
    The Ministry of Defense spoke about the “Tuva phenomenon” faced by Ukrainian intelligence
    well, just "Windtalkers" ... although, we still had enough examples of our own ...
  38. 0
    4 September 2022 22: 55
    the third force this time on our side united everyone in the NWO
  39. +1
    4 September 2022 22: 58
    As my good friend used to say (he was an enemy), the captain of the South African army, a citizen of GB: "Fuckin stupid". The language, hands, which are controlled by service dogs - can also be written down and translated? Just a struggle of technology and psychological preparation. "Braille, by radio - Easy. wink
  40. +4
    4 September 2022 23: 03
    Quote from Fima
    The language, hands, which are controlled by service dogs - can also be written down and translated? Easily. wink

    eh! if service dogs could speak, they would tell a lot about the gestures and habits of a person, you don’t have time to think, but the dog already understood
  41. -2
    4 September 2022 23: 20
    And all because, one generation did everything in the 90s, and now another generation should take the rap for this, and develop microelectronics almost from the very beginning.
  42. +5
    4 September 2022 23: 24
    It remains only to find out where the money went to create a secure communication system.
    You can't put a Tuvan at every radio station.
    1. -2
      4 September 2022 23: 58
      Quote: RussianPatriot
      It remains only to find out where the money went to create a secure communication system.
      You can't put a Tuvan at every radio station.

      Information about the past NVS-ZNGSH of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and military telecom is easily found on the Internet
  43. +1
    4 September 2022 23: 36
    Addendum. There is a binary programming language, assembly language, yes - no ". In the taiga: - one shot (bad, no more strength) - go to the rescue, two - come closer. The use of "exotic languages" was to transmit a large amount of information to higher management levels And on the line of contact, these are omissions in the preparation and elaboration of the planned actions (it is not difficult to draw a sign like "Excel" by hand). Of course, this has a "shocking effect" on those listening, but it's better to just be silent, and produce your reaction simply by clicking on the microphone grille, or personalized with finger clicks, also individually.
  44. 0
    4 September 2022 23: 40
    Encryption! Everyone buy Chinese walkie-talkies!
  45. 0
    4 September 2022 23: 42
    Shulay Bulkhgyn! Vis bula hight. Turn on translators, what did I write? (Nothing wrong). How long will it take? In addition, my language is a little wrong, since I do not know it well, but I can speak broken. Also, what language is it? laughing
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  46. 0
    4 September 2022 23: 49
    Tuvinians violate the law adopted by the Verkhovna Rada that they can only speak Ukrainian language. They pamper themselves in the Tuvan language.
  47. +3
    5 September 2022 01: 44
    There is nothing new under the sun. During World War II, the US Air Force used Cherokee Indians to do this. Those among themselves spoke in their own language, and the Germans were brainwashed when they tried to decipher it. Well, at least in some way you have not forgotten the experience of the Second World War. At least in something...
  48. -2
    5 September 2022 03: 53
    A provocative little article, such a petty one, apparently only to collect comments. If everything is as it is written, then this is a direct disclosure of the secret, because it is transmitted in what language the negotiations are being conducted. As well as I do not believe that there is no communication encryption equipment. In general, trolling is not smart at all, hype is one thing
  49. -2
    5 September 2022 03: 59
    “The thing is that the connection was provided by servicemen from the Tuvan Republic, who transmitted messages in the Tuvan language” -

    ***
    - In general, except for Shoigu, no one understood anything ...
    ***
  50. +1
    5 September 2022 04: 48
    Quote: Shurik70
    News for several months now.
    And more sad than funny.
    Freely available encryption chips that allow you to communicate in plain text without fear of interception appeared in the early 90s of the last century.
    And for some reason there are no such people in the Russian army.


    Why should they? Instead of them, Buryats, Tuvans, etc. And if we invite the Chukchi? laughing
  51. +2
    5 September 2022 06: 33
    In any case, when “coding” messages using little-known languages, well-known words will usually appear in speech messages: toponyms, hydronyms, military and technical terms... (of course, ineradicable obscenities! :) ) When listening carefully to such speech messages can often capture the general meaning of the negotiations.
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  53. +1
    5 September 2022 11: 15
    Years go by, but nothing fundamentally changes..... once upon a time, quite a long time ago, the deputy commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel General Chindarov, being the chairman of the state graduation examination commission at the RVVDKU, said the following phrase at the analysis: there is one drawback that From year to year we include it in the Commission’s Act, and I know that another 100 years will pass, and without going to the exams, I will be able to safely include it there - “insufficient ability of graduates to work with communications.”
  54. 0
    5 September 2022 13: 35
    Quote from Cap
    Years go by, but nothing fundamentally changes..... "insufficient ability of graduates to work with communications."
    there were controls and bans on radio broadcasts, even radio receivers and their frequencies were banned, social bans. networks - the same fable at a new stage of technological development, people use smartphones, but they are afraid of the usual open-frequency walkie-talkie, it’s scary even to publish our film .. - there are also prohibited symbols
  55. 0
    6 September 2022 10: 06
    How I love the bureaucrats from the RF Ministry of Defense, their competition with the Ministry of Defense in the nomination of who will crap the most in the media. Moreover, if the Ministry of Defense still understands what kind of situation they are in and consciously composes their “peramogs”, then in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation it seems that their brains are completely swollen with fat.... It is necessary... to declare to the whole world that, after 77 years after the end of the Second World War, Russian troops still use open communication to transmit information... and present it as an achievement...
  56. 0
    6 September 2022 16: 29
    At the moment, this is the simplest and most effective way to solve the problem of ensuring the secrecy of radio communications.
  57. +2
    7 September 2022 10: 52
    Analytical note by Reshetnikov Leonid Petrovich - Lieutenant General of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation (retired), Candidate of Historical Sciences, Associate Professor, Director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies.

    “I consider it extremely vile to blame our army for the lack of communication systems and not inform ordinary civilians that our units on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR are operating with a three- to four-fold superiority of the enemy in manpower and with the full support of the enemy by the entire reconnaissance and radio-technical power of NATO.

    Any android, any iPhone are tapped continuously. Any: Facebook, WhatsApp and other vibers continuously transmit information, all this is processed by the full power of artificial intelligence systems and forms a map for target designations in real time. And this is even if the Russian army is all on encrypted communication channels - what to do with the population?

    NATO AWACS aircraft with experienced crews are constantly hovering over Romania and Poland, and US reconnaissance satellites are constantly in the sky. Let me remind you that according to the budgets for our Roscosmos, we allocated $2.5 billion a year, the civil budget of NASA was $25 billion, the civil budget of only SpaceX is equal to that of Roskosmos - and this is not counting tens of billions of dollars annually for the entire, feverishly deployed by the United States system of control of the entire planet.

    In 2-3 years, we will have an order of magnitude higher density of US reconnaissance and target designation. The United States sees not just our troops on the ground, they see our aircraft, drones, study radar fields, estimate the time of Caliber approach, they constantly issue target designations to Ukrainian generals online from the operation control center in Poland. Is it all the merit of the former Ukrainian SSR?

    This is where the accuracy of the Ukrainian artillery noted by our troops comes from, this is how the missile brigades of Tochek-U know exactly where and how to advance, exactly what time to launch and how much time they have to get out of position. This is how the Ukrainian Nazis know where the gaps are in the rear of our columns. These are not their eyes and brains. These are the eyes and brains of NATO.

    Ukronazis are just free controlled zombies. And the Ukrainian army is a remotely controlled zombie organism. Naturally, the use of hypersonic Daggers and supersonic Onyxes drastically reduced the ability to hide the most sensitive elements of this remotely controlled Nazi zombie organism. I repeat, the owners of this remotely controlled Nazi zombie organism desperately need to find out what new RTR and EW (electronic intelligence and electronic warfare) we have.

    Therefore, for the future victories of our Russian army, it is vital to hide these new items. The fact that under these conditions our small troops nullified the sky, removed the Saint Bayraktar factor from the map and smashed the ukrovermacht is an outstanding hard work of our military and rear. This is not for you to destroy the ISIS bioreactor in Syria, no. There has never been such a war. Textbooks for the military academies of the world are being written on the tactics and strategy of this war.

    Once again, the Russian army is smashing the Nazi zombie organism, fully integrated with the eyes and brain of NATO. On the ground and in the sky, the Russian army is smashing Russian zombies, brainwashed over 30 years of propaganda. Under the conditions of a total machine of military-psychological terror, working for the West and growing Nazi zombies from Russian children.

    But the Russians have outstanding resilience in battle. Look into the future and tell me where else the maniacs of the United States and the European Union can find such infantry. Are there many “best commandos in the world” left to fight after the Yavorov calibration? "

    Lieutenant General of the SVR, Reshetnikov L.P.
  58. 0
    8 September 2022 11: 02
    There is a good film on this topic about the Great Patriotic War - Private Chaerin (2021)