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Mass nostalgia: “give us back the past ...”

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Once upon a time, when the words “gadget”, “wikipedia”, or “pin code” could have caused the desire to turn a finger at the temple; when over the phrases "blue car" or "blue puppy" no one has even thought to laugh; when, if they understood, it was for three that a country called the Soviet Union existed on the world map.

Even earlier, when the people were not yet aware of the fact that it was possible to stand in line for years for permission to purchase a new car; when the word “car” itself could be read except on newspaper sheets sold by boys for a few pennies; when even the big dignitaries did not use the blue flashing buckets in their carriages, there was another state that was called the Russian Empire.

It is human nature to indulge in nostalgia, but in stories States often have moments that can be called the time of mass nostalgia. In all likelihood, in our country of the pattern of time in which we now live, a tendency is manifested specifically towards the nostalgia of mass nature. Most of the population of our country, as shown by numerous sociological surveys, would like to turn back the clock and find themselves where it is impossible to be in reality. And if individual nostalgia most often concerns precisely the personal experiences of a person; experiences of a positive nature, the nostalgia is massive - this is a unique phenomenon. It may even be related to what a person, in principle, has no idea. This is a kind of sociological paradox, when the opinion of others suddenly becomes your own opinion, and you suddenly begin to understand that you would also like to live in a completely different time, well, or at least make sure that (nostalgic) time suddenly it has come not just into our life, but into the life of our entire state.

Mass nostalgia makes a person think about how well it was to live 30-40 years ago; how right everything was in our society a century and a half to that ... Stereotypes often lead us to try to include ourselves in that social process in which, for objective reasons, we were not even involved.

The man, which is quite characteristic of him by nature, is used to living, starting from comparisons. We literally compare everything that is now with what was yesterday, the day before yesterday, when we were not yet in this world. Some may prove themselves hoarse in their voices to themselves and to those around them that the Soviet time was much better than the time in which we live now. Others will be foaming at the mouth to say that modern life is a complete foolishness, whether it was before the Bolsheviks came to power ... And still others would say that if it were not for Nobel Prize winner Gorbachev, then we would have died in the outskirts of the universe, but all Soviet achievements are nothing compared to the achievements of democracy ...

Someone remembers with pleasure that in the days of his youth life was much better: one could get drunk on soda from a machine gun, by plunging a drilled coin into it, and then take it out carefully, one could be sure that the neighbor gets the same amount both you and this set the spirit of equality and internationalism; one could quietly go to relatives in Tbilisi or Lvov without even thinking about interethnic conflicts; it was possible to enroll in a technical school or institute and after their graduation guaranteed to get a job. In general, the trees were taller, the grass was naturally greener, and doctors and shop assistants were more caring and respectful ...

At the same time, the same people absolutely do not think that the current work allows them to have a car in the garage, which they bought without 10-year standing in line, to go annually on vacation to where they want, and not just to the country to weed the beds with cucumbers and eggplants. They do not think that, hiding behind different nicknames, they can calmly throw mud at the power, neighbor, boss, any interlocutor, and at the same time calmly declare that the Internet is a real cesspool that corrupts modern children and teenagers. The same person does not think about what comes to the store and has the opportunity to choose sausage either for 70 rubles per kilo with a complete lack of meat products, or for 700 rubles with their full presence ... He, looking out the window at the Communists marching 7 in November with the red ones with banners, frowning in disgust and declares, well, is it the Communists? “It was the communists under Brezhnev or Khrushchev, but now it’s like that — just a rag-tag

Maybe someone has a desire to condemn such a person, but in fact, this person sits in each of us. It breaks out when we see total injustice around us, when the tentacles of corruption do not allow us to get what we are supposed to do according to the law. He is the very thing, pardon the pathos, the “alter ego”, sitting deep, deep, and becoming active only when we begin to feel with all the fibers of our soul that problems are being pressed with incredible force.

At this very moment we are building the usual psychological defense, declaring to ourselves that it is not us who are, this time is. We are, they say, still hoo, but the time is now - ah-ah-ah ... And at that very moment that very nostalgia begins, which is a kind of religion of salvation for each of us. Someone decides that now with the tsar-father there would be no such lawlessness, that Stalin would be in his post now, they would (a kind of collective image “they”) dance with us, Leonid Ilyich would return for a couple of days and all our problems would be gone.

And after all, each of us perfectly understands that neither the king-father, nor Stalin, nor Brezhnev, nor the superhero from American comics, nor anyone else can solve our problems. But we are persecuting this thought from ourselves, trying to convince our inner “I” and all others that this is not so. We are waiting for the support of like-minded people who will also say: after all, correctly you, my friend, say: we need a collective image of the rulers of the past, who will appear in the form of the main savior of both ourselves and the whole of Russia. A sort of symbiosis of the rigidity of Ivan the Terrible, the focus on Europe of Peter the Great, the reformism of Alexander II, the pragmatism of Alexander III, the determination of Stalin, the political calm of Brezhnev, and more, more ... That would be such a person on the ballot, we would vote for him, and so - go to the polls, just spend time ... They say there will be such a person on the list for election - and we will be happy: and 7 ice cream kopecks, and Suvorov hikes through the Alps, and free thinking, and no queues, and their high-quality products instead of Chinese nd stuff, and, of course, equal to the fraternity. People will leave the doors open and not be afraid that someone will take their valuables, our army will again become invincible and legendary, and the nation will be the most reading (and not just SMS) in the world.

We understand that this is naive, and that the life of an entire country cannot be reversed, but in this we differ in mentality from Western “partners”. We have a childish, naive retro-dream, which sometimes allows us to rethink personal and social values ​​and to take a fresh look at ourselves and our role in the life of a large country. Let these retro-dreams come true and do not materialize, but they give us life energy, which is not clear to most other nations, the energy that has allowed millions of people of different nationalities to unite around a single rod.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 19 October 2012 08: 13
    +3

    I almost fell asleep under this epistle of Mr. Volodin Alexei.
    Just like a bedtime story for those who have not yet gathered who lived in the very "nostalgia of the USSR
    All nice people depend on people - or just words, or the Word, after which the Work!
    1. Inzhengr
      Inzhengr 19 October 2012 08: 35
      +3
      Vova in his repertoire. I haven’t been reading his articles for a long time; I’m running through the beginning of paragraphs as much as possible. laughing
    2. esaul
      esaul 19 October 2012 09: 10
      +16
      Good morning everyone! Well, I looked at the site through the accidentally released "window", and here - a pleasant surprise from Alexey! It is strange that Mr. Inzhenegr managed to call him Vova.
      Andrey, salute. Chesslovo, surprised by your reaction to the article! The article is very sensible and is at least some attempt to explain such a thing as nostalgia for the USSR. This question has been taking me for a very long time and I was constantly surprised by the one-sided recollections of our country's past (very often far from rosy). Although I myself have repeatedly tried in my comments to explain this property of the human psyche. This is explained very simply - if a person remembered everything bad as vividly as he remembers good, then he would have long been disappointed in the life given to him by God and, over time, humanity simply came to the pointlessness of its existence and came to naught.
      But, thank God, the nature of man has a powerful physiological and psychic defense mechanism and - a person lives, rejoices, experiences, curses and continues to live ...
      Andrei, as "the most humane man" said, "the leader of the world proletariat" and "the sun of our era" (don't think what - I'm not talking about Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong-in or Kim Jong-un!) - "Terribly awful, my friend !. .. "- no need to rush to fall asleep! laughing The article is sensible and, although it will not stop the regularly appearing popular prints about an exceptionally (!) Successful state under the leadership of the wise Communist Party, it will at least make young people think, analyze and compare objectively, and not based on emotional outbursts.
      Colleagues, the topic of recollections about the USSR is very ambiguous (which Alexey very well said) and everyone evokes different memories, both positive and heavy, but I’m sure that the overwhelming majority who paint life in the USSR as an ideal in no way they wouldn’t return there if they had such an opportunity! And if they had returned, they would have torn today, knocking elbows and fists into the blood. Stopudovo! Because cognition is based on comparison and not verbal, but factual.
      Respectfully to all. Esaul.
      The article is a huge plus and respect to Alexey for a comprehensive approach to the topic.
      1. Pharao7766
        Pharao7766 19 October 2012 09: 33
        +9
        The article is not straightforward ... And the author of the article, I believe, was sure that + and - there would be many. Just because of the same as described in the article, namely, the perception of the past by each separately. The article is good, but I cannot agree with the author about everything. The man (state) himself chooses the further path of development - whether it is a return to the past, or something new. But in any case - there should be a clear idea of ​​what the state should be like for the vast majority of its population, and strict adherence to this path. I think the majority of those living now are nostalgic not for the USSR as such - but for a strong country, in order in power and society, for the moral values ​​that were in society. And all of this can and should be returned tightly by burning and etching all the dirt that we were brought in and we have produced ourselves over the past 23 years.
        1. esaul
          esaul 19 October 2012 10: 27
          +2
          Quote: Pharao7766
          but in a strong country,


          Maxim, greetings, colleague. And even now Russia is no longer one of the weak. It would be the opposite, Assad would have been dead long ago. Those who (sort of) oppose the USSR and the Russian Federation are trying to instill in us an understanding of today's Russia as an anemic and weak-willed temporary state formation. And they will climb the wall in order to slow down our growing forward movement. Therefore, the appearance of such articles with the subtext - "What we had and what we have ..." is largely due to those who ruined the USSR. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation won out and on-about the pusek stood up for their defense, guided by the principle - "in the struggle for power, you can go for betrayal."
          Quote: Pharao7766
          in order in power and society,

          You can talk about this with a big stretch, Maxim. And crime was both corruption and werewolves. Nothing has changed dramatically, information has become more accessible and not only party functionaries have gained access to cash flows.
          Quote: Pharao7766
          those moral values ​​that were in society

          Here I agree with you in many ways. If the culture is slowly beginning to restore, then with the most important thing - a national idea - stagnation. The other day Mironov put forward the slogan "for the title" of a unifying idea. Let's see how his "finds" take root.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 19 October 2012 10: 47
            +8
            Quote: esaul
            Communist Party won and about the little snacks stood up for their defense


            And if literally?

            The behavior of these girls seems to me unworthy. This action smells bad. It is directed against the foundations of our entire life. Well, it is quite possible to do without criminal prosecution "- Zyuganov
            1. Anti
              Anti 19 October 2012 11: 26
              -3
              Quote: Vadivak
              Well, it is quite possible to do without criminal prosecution "- Zyuganov

              "Tov" Ziu, is like a boat with a broken bottom, it sinks, however, maybe the grandmother otchshalis for their share, in the opposition cashier winked
            2. Inzhengr
              Inzhengr 19 October 2012 12: 46
              +7
              Quote: Vadivak
              Communist Party won and about the little snacks stood up for their defense

              Yesaul is carrying Chepushin today
              1. Anti
                Anti 19 October 2012 18: 30
                0
                Finally Zyu carries nonsense. Fu is a vile person. Once betrayed, betray again.
          2. Pharao7766
            Pharao7766 19 October 2012 11: 50
            +5
            Quote: esaul
            "What we had and what we have ..." largely thanks to those who ruined the USSR


            Valery, I welcome you.
            Well, you see, the topic of the collapse of the great Country is a completely different conversation.
            With the fact that Russia is no longer the US colony that was under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but also not the strength of which the USSR was. And the opportunity to acquire power lies in many conditions of state development - one of the most important conditions is the unification of the once fraternal republics. You understand that first of all it is Ukraine and Belarus. But what with regards to the politicians of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, however, as well as the entire political "elite" - in my opinion - it's just a pitiful bunch of thieves and politicians parasitizing the country. And this, in my opinion, is the most important problem of our countries!

            Quote: esaul
            And crime was both corruption and werewolves.

            "Mafia is forever" of course.
            But in the USSR they fought this and did not pretend. And for economic crimes shot (with confiscation).

            And about moral values ​​and Mironov ... together they do not look.
            By the way, the Russian Federation daviche introduced and dragged a similar document to the Soviet Union without a UN. What is no reason to extrapolate it to Russia, taking into account the mentality and traditional people living in it.
          3. Inzhengr
            Inzhengr 19 October 2012 12: 43
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation won out and about the pusek stood up for their defense, guided by the principle - "in the struggle for power, you can go for betrayal."

            Do not talk nonsense, you replay
        2. borisst64
          borisst64 19 October 2012 12: 18
          +9
          And I remember the words of my grandmother. I will try and convey the syllable.

          "Do not rot God, you still didn’t eat bread with a swan. But even this is half a run, the main thing is that there is no war."
      2. Slayer
        Slayer 19 October 2012 09: 40
        +7
        Quote: esaul
        but I’m sure that the overwhelming majority who portray life in the USSR as an ideal would by no means return to it if they had the opportunity! And if they had returned, they would have torn today, knocking elbows and fists into the blood. Stopudovo! P

        I don’t know what the USSR did not please you, but everyone with whom I talked would all dream to return, then a simple working man did not think about tomorrow, that tomorrow you might not have a piece of bread, there was stability and this is the main argument and is overshadowing all the shortcomings of the USSR, whatever one may say to a simple hard worker in the councils, life was many times better than now, and this is 90% of the country
        1. esaul
          esaul 19 October 2012 10: 05
          +2
          Quote: Slayer
          I don’t know what the USSR did not please you


          Sergei, apparently you had to form your opinion with the words of others. And about the objectivity of human memories, it seems, in my comment says. The topic touched upon by the article is not grateful, multifaceted, and the discussion, as practice has shown, on the site will not lead to anything sensible, but will only make it possible to release excess steam.
          As for your words, quoted by me as a quote, on my side in this matter, not everything is clear. I also have a lot of memories connected with the Union, and they are not always negative. But I have the opportunity (age allows) to make some comparisons. So your minus is the reaction that I was quite expecting, my colleague is not at all offensive to me, but it is regrettable that you were in a hurry to form your opinion about the USSR, taking it for the final one.
          1. Slayer
            Slayer 19 October 2012 10: 13
            +8
            Quote: esaul
            that you hurried to form your opinion about the USSR, taking it for the final.

            Well, the main opinion was formulated to me by the fact that my grandfather, working at the same factory on which I am right now, received 450 rubles (you must admit a lot of money at that time) the working conditions were ideal compared to the fact that right now, all the equipment then changed during the first breakdown, right now we haven’t received any equipment since 88, all equipment has a seam at the seam, several accidents per year are normal, my grandfather told them that there was no runoff for five years as now, but in the days of the USSR I was still a salaga)))) but the stories of simple hard workers at my factory who have been working there for 40 years already gave me an idea of ​​those times, 5 years ago let's say the market was saturated with aluminum and we had 8 out of 12 stoves, so the salary suffered a lot, many people didn't pay on loans they could, in the USSR this could not happen, right now that the military budget was raised, aluminum became in demand on the domestic market, work went on, but for how long is this also a question
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 19 October 2012 10: 56
              +4
              Quote: Slayer
              we have not received new equipment since 88,


              You are lying, you didn’t read “Ten Points on Modernization”, you don’t study the Davos Theses by Dmitry Medvedev, everything is written about us, especially it’s pinned me


              "there is a great demand for the production of, say, high-quality domestic furniture and a number of other consumer industries"
              1. Slayer
                Slayer 19 October 2012 11: 04
                +6
                Quote: Vadivak
                You are lying, you didn’t read “Ten Points on Modernization”, you don’t study the Davos Theses by Dmitry Medvedev, everything is written about us, especially it’s pinned me

                Small equipment pumps, etc. yes there is, I'm talking about the main thing, furnaces, mills, thickeners, etc., they already really have no place for welding, all at the seams. Iron is already worn out, and I think this situation in many factories today does not need production capacities in the country, so long as it makes sense to change something, but for the safety of these little people who wanted to sneeze around there))
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 19 October 2012 11: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Slayer
                  Small equipment pumps, etc.


                  I’m in the know, Sergei, I’m in production and distinguish fiction about modernization from harsh reality.
              2. Konrad
                Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 44
                -2
                Quote: Vadivak
                "there is a great demand for the production of, say, high-quality domestic furniture and a number of other consumer industries"

                Das Ist Fantastisch!
            2. Inzhengr
              Inzhengr 19 October 2012 12: 56
              +3
              Slayer, moderator Esaul sits on the Internet for days and days and is not aware of the real situation in the Army, the defense industry and the country as a whole.
            3. SSR
              SSR 19 October 2012 13: 31
              +18
              Quote: Slayer
              my grandfather, working at the same factory in which I am right now, received 450 rubles (you must admit a lot of money for those times)

              I remember Dad at the research institute I received 220 rubles as an agronomist .. an adult ticket for a Moscow-Osh plane cost 60 rubles. I remember they gave 15 -20 kopecks to school))
              for which I bought a patty with a side dish jam and compote))
              I remember the uncle of the policeman, whom I was not afraid to go to, I remember how I handed over two empty bottles of lemonade in the store and received a bottle of lemonade.
              I remember how at 6 years old one went to the hospital to tear out a tooth ..
              I remember how I passed money on the bus with a request to buy a ticket .. and how next to the driver there was a "hurdy-gurdy" you throw money into it and then turn the handle unwinding your ticket)))
              Do you remember how films and cartoons were marked in the program in blue or red pencil? )))
              I’m missing the order of the time, I hung a ring from the wiring on the gate and left. Now if you look around 1 we’re eating chemistry, 2. Disgusting education, 3. Medicine .. there are no pediatricians. (We don’t have one in the city, time lines) 4. they didn’t show so much abomination on the zombies 5. damn it and there were no mobile phones .. then without I found people on my mobile phone and now I rarely meet people with a mobile phone.
              PS.
              Previous times will never be.
              The current time for the current generation is good, they live it ..
              we found the times cleaner .. today's guys "feel" very well. )))
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 19 October 2012 14: 14
                +16
                SSR, -a, a, a, a, a, a, a, - I remember everything and fiercely plus on all counts. I remember how a huge, green jeep appeared in a toy store, with turning wheels, a hinged windshield and glass headlights - it was a miracle embodied in green plastic about 5 rubles and my mother categorically refused to buy it. I had to take bottles from under the lemonade, but after two months I himself bought it.
                Yes, it is possible that the USSR was not an ideal state, or rather it was not, but what it is degenerated - Many times worse and duller, despite the opportunity to buy a car. You can now buy everything at once, but it seems that a part of our soul was taken from us for this, apparently a large one.
                1. SSR
                  SSR 19 October 2012 16: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: lelikas
                  a huge green jeep with swiveling wheels, a hinged windshield and glass headlights -This miracle cost about 5 rubles embodied in green plastic and my mother categorically refused to buy it.


                  laughing that's real .. there were so many such cases)))
                  and then how much joy and impression remained !!!! I still remember a flashlight and a penknife for 40 kopecks)).
                  The most unpleasant ... most children now have so many toys ...
                  but they don’t have such joy and such impressions ... (((((
                  My daughter, at age 6, with the accumulated money .. first bought sweets, then chocolate .. then a little fairy set .... then she began to choose toys .. and at one point she said .. why do they need me? and so it is full of them and bought myself a pink and gray sports kit .. still I'm in a quiet afig. although 4 years have passed.
                  Even game consoles / players / cameras have become commonplace and now they are chasing someone who has the very latest.
                  And I still remember my first electro silhouette.
        2. Konrad
          Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 40
          -13
          Quote: Slayer
          no matter how simple a hard worker in the councils, life was many times better than now

          If this "simple hard worker" all interests in life were reduced to a stably available glass of chatter and a bowl of stew (especially in the seventies, in the early eighties) - then YES!
          1. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 20 October 2012 04: 42
            +6
            Quote: Konrad
            If this "simple hard worker" all interests in life were reduced to a stably available glass of chatter and a bowl of stew (especially in the seventies, in the early eighties) - then YES!

            Why is there so much gall hate in you for a working person - a worker ???
      3. Civil
        Civil 19 October 2012 09: 52
        +2
        A sort of symbiosis of Ivan the Terrible’s harshness, Peter the Great’s focus on Europe, Alexander II’s reformism, Alexander III’s pragmatism, Stalin’s decisiveness, Brezhnev’s political calm and more ... There would be such a person in the ballot, we would vote for him, and so - go to the polls, only spend time ...


        the dreams of an immature society, when a person does not want to be responsible for his life and the life of his family, including, the USSR was very fond of its citizens, and its children never matured, remained consumers of parental warmth, and when the USSR grew old, its children did not they wanted to help him, but started a squabble for his inheritance ... from here this nostalgia of those who were more cunning and cold-blooded were thrown out of their parents' house and took away all the wealth that once ... when the USSR was alive it was COMMON ...
        1. YARY
          YARY 19 October 2012 10: 24
          +4
          and when the USSR grew old

          How often? Some years are not enough for "aged"
          But the burden of accumulated errors had to be dumped. But those same "parents" just did not want this. As a result, mistakes began to prevail and ENEMIES, both external and internal, took advantage of them. They united to destroy both the country and the people who are the bearers of the "USSR gene" !!!!
          1. Civil
            Civil 19 October 2012 10: 34
            +5
            YARY,

            and what did the people do? Did millions come out to defend their homeland? or did they still sit at home and wait for sausages with chewing gum, not to mention Coca-Cola ?!
      4. YARY
        YARY 19 October 2012 10: 15
        +3
        Valery with a compromise! Glad to YOUR presence.
        But in the title and spirit and text of the article - absurdity.
        A massive manifestation of the spirit — cannot be or remain routine — is like washing hands before eating.
        Such fermentation as a harbinger in chemical reactions, before the activation of the process.
        with uv.
        1. esaul
          esaul 19 October 2012 10: 39
          +1
          YARY,

          Andrey, you and I were on "you". Something has changed? belay
          Quote: Ardent
          But the load of accumulated errors had to be dumped.

          Noticed - super!
          Quote: Ardent
          Such fermentation as a harbinger in chemical reactions, before the activation of the process.
          with uv.

          Again - getting into the top ten, Andrew! I already wrote that I was pleasantly surprised when I touched on issues of politics with young people. They struck me both with objectivity in comparing the past and present, and with their confidence in their capabilities and powers.
          There are young people who are committed to pushing forward and not only to regret. But they form their thoughts, the same, based on the words of the elders.
      5. Vadivak
        Vadivak 19 October 2012 11: 02
        +13
        Quote: esaul
        but I’m sure that the overwhelming majority who portray life in the USSR as an ideal would never begin to return there,


        I would return with pleasure, I would go to the Carpathians, and it would be better if I flew for 15 rubles, ate natural products, drank live beer, looked at the police without pistols and batons, I’m generally silent about the army, so I’m silent to everyone
      6. Inzhengr
        Inzhengr 19 October 2012 12: 10
        +2
        Good afternoon, Mr. Esaul.
        I apologize for "Vova", I have not visited our glorious site for a long time and, moreover, I have not read the articles of the respected Mr. Alexey Volodin, I was just mistaken, of course Alyosha.
        Why shame Andrei YAROGO? His "personal opinion" does not depend on the employer's money, like yours, for example.
        In general, I believe that such articles should not appear on the site of a reputable journal. A magazine on military subjects should not humiliate itself with "USSR" articles. And if your hands itch on the USSR, compare the army of the USSR in all respects and the army of the Russian Federation. That would be a military theme.
        Quote: esaul
        I was constantly surprised by the one-sided recollections of the past (very often far from rosy) of our country

        Something EBN and HMS no one recalls with warmth. After EBN, even PVV is perceived as a savior of the Russian land.
        CONCLUSION: an article-custom-made dummy not on the subject of the site.
      7. aleks
        aleks 20 October 2012 14: 12
        +1
        But esaul is fake, and even ambiguous and stopudovaya, and so it lucidly explains everything better than Chubais on privatization, and it analyzes the patron in cheer.
      8. Login1
        Login1 21 October 2012 01: 32
        0
        Oddly enough, the article reveals a crafty subtext of the desire to obscure and reduce to "everyday life" the growing desire among the masses to unite and restore the independence of the once united country. The people are not nostalgic about the "soda" but about independence from our American teachers and part-time owners.
        Given the appearance on the site of another article by the author about the constitution, suspicions begin to creep in ... once is a coincidence, the second time is a coincidence, the third time is? the author are you with whom?
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 October 2012 10: 37
      +7
      We have a childish naive retro dream,

      Well, why for everyone? Male sober-minded we all understand what they fought for and ran into
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 19 October 2012 20: 56
      +4
      G. Yary, do you want those who lived in the USSR to gather? So I understand your pearl? If so, then you are a typical representative of modern youth, cynical to a stupor, who considers yourself almost the best example of humanity. If you have nothing bad about people who have lived most of their lives in the USSR, then formulate your thought more precisely. I didn't like becoming either. What's wrong with nostalgia? And specifically for the past. Yes, who likes the Russian Empire before 1917. Alas, the people who lived then, and who can tell about that life, are no longer alive. My generation caught them. These are our grandparents who were born in the 19th century. And we have an idea of ​​that life. For example: my maternal grandmother came from a family of small landowners who had land, livestock, farm laborers, and my grandfather, in turn, "took Winter", that is, participant in the revolution. My grandparents on my father's side were priests (grandfather of course). I listened to stories from different, so to speak, angles. In some ways they are diametrically opposite, in some ways similar. In turn, our generation is well aware of life in the USSR. We lived, served, got married, gave birth to children in the USSR. And we have only warm feelings about this country, and all the rubbish about the lack of sausage and meat fades into the background.
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 20 October 2012 08: 53
        0
        sorry that I can put only one +
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 19 October 2012 08: 16
    +6
    man is so arranged that he remembers the good and tries to forget the bad. I myself am nostalgic for my happy childhood. but it was happy. even though we didn’t have computers or radio-controlled toys in our childhood, but we spent a lot of time on the street, kicking a bubble, chasing a puck, and a lot of things we did. and did not think about the future, they knew that everything would be in order.
    probably the main nostalgia for stability.
    a man in americosia is nostalgic. went to the restaurant, the waiter:
    -Give me a bucket of vodka.
    waiter:
    What shall we eat?
    -that's it, darling, eat and we will
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 19 October 2012 10: 50
      +6
      Not that case! Why, then, do I remember my youth under the CCC only on the good side, and my 20-25 years in the 90s only on the bad side? Where is the logic?
      1. Shulz-1955
        Shulz-1955 19 October 2012 21: 01
        +2
        There were other people, with no dollars in their eyes.
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 19 October 2012 08: 16
    +8
    From birth (1984) to 1991, we lived in the center on ul. Serebrynikovskaya 9. I walked there, and now tram number 13 runs, and the street itself is in two lanes (two there, two well), and so, from various city events, we walked along this street. I have a mother and a grandmother near my father’s neck. So we did not walk along the sidewalk, namely, along the roadway and cars passing us passed around us. Not because we were on the drum where to go, but because there were one or two cars and it got too big. And now? There is no where to fall on that very Serebrynikovskaya apple. Here.

    And I remember bagels.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 08: 24
      +7
      Hi Ivan, here’s a cake called a basket, it cost 22 kopecks- drinks nostalgic for health
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 19 October 2012 08: 38
        +4
        Streets, avenues, boulevards, side streets,
        Winter frosts and summer heat.
        I never brought home bread rolls,
        When I took her hot.
        I never brought home bread rolls,
        When I took her hot.

        Ten years old and all life to heaven,
        And just two pounds at school on the scales.
        Mom said: - Blow, son, for bread.
        And I blew like "the wind in the sails."

        And "city" - seven kopecks,
        And sixteen is round bread
        The trees turn green
        That blowing snow on the ground.
        Over eleven
        And a loaf of twenty-two
        And the boys drive the ball in the yard.
        Over eleven
        And a loaf of twenty-two
        And the boys drive the ball in the yard.

        Just a little guy unloaded the car,
        Honorably complies with the law.
        The whole country has recently dried crackers,
        And a rare fraer climbs into trouble.

        And I stand, I think deftly
        Thieves own mind:
        "City" with soda -
        It turned out popsicle,
        On ice cream for twenty eight
        For all life not to collect ...
        Dad will be executed, he won’t ask
        How to drink to give.
        On ice cream for twenty eight
        For all life not to collect ...
        Dad will be executed, he won’t ask
        How to drink to give.

        Fat neighbor like make-believe
        The flight officer near the ticket office is shaking.
        Sweaty palms shake my coins
        And the numbers shoots a machine gun.

        And who has not seen, he will not "break"
        The word disgusting "not".
        Saved on a loaf
        And I took the "Caucasian" candies.
        There are, of course, tastier
        Only closer to the boys
        Those that are fifty rubles per kilogram.

        Fidgeting on a chair, as if there were needles in it,
        Uncle Zhorik does not get up from his place in the evening.
        Paz gave Ragulin, Tolya Firsov snapped,
        And Dzurilla gets the puck.

        And "city" - seven kopecks,
        And sixteen is round bread
        The trees turn green
        That blowing snow on the ground.
        Over eleven
        And a loaf of twenty-two
        And the boys drive the ball in the yard.
        Over eleven
        And a loaf of twenty-two
        And the boys drive the ball in the yard.
        Over eleven
        And a loaf of twenty-two
        And the boys drive the ball in the yard.


        Thank you for the "Basket" drinks smiled.
      2. dimaas
        dimaas 19 October 2012 09: 18
        +3
        Nah! Kiva appeared only under Yeltsin. And the one that cost 22 kopecks. was without any decorations - dough and cream.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 09: 26
          +4
          Quote: dimaas
          Kiva appeared only under Yeltsin

          Yes, I did not have another photo, so I posted the most similar.
          Quote: dimaas
          And the one that cost 22 kopecks. was without any decorations - dough and cream

          And here you are in vain, there were decorations, mushrooms from dough or roses from cream, and even a piece of marmilade was put in the middle.
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 19 October 2012 11: 34
            +1
            Alexander Romanov,
            And here you are in vain, there were decorations, mushrooms from dough or roses from cream, and even a piece of marmilade was put in the middle.

            And what’s the problem, they’re also doing it right now. In short, the sun, open the confectionery, you’ll call Romanov fellow laughing
      3. Demon_Ex
        Demon_Ex 19 October 2012 11: 13
        +6
        And the queues appeared with the advent of Hunchback. And the cops were not afraid, but respected. And the quality of medical care was better than in the vaunted states. Education is free. This list can be replenished endlessly. The most important thing among people was less than any creatures! And to consider the presence of a car a sign of happiness can only be one who ate nothing sweeter than carrots. Has anyone considered how many technical specialists or workers remain now? How many managers and other office plankton appeared?
        1. cucun
          cucun 19 October 2012 13: 12
          -6
          Let me correct, the lines were up to the hunchback. They simply did not always arise, but when something from a normal meal appeared on the counter. The stores were pretty empty ... And yet, I wonder who at that time respected the cops? I don’t remember something ...
          1. Demon_Ex
            Demon_Ex 19 October 2012 14: 24
            +4
            Pretty empty how is it? Chilled pork for 1.5 rubles, or whole milk that was still in the cow's udder yesterday? Or fight district by district, police outfit and foreman Kulakov, height 2.20., Which the whole city respects for having knocked bricks out of the wall with one blow and saved the neighboring twin girls during the fire. And the former prisoners were afraid to utter a word about him. And the debriefing after a fight in a strong point with the same foreman, after which you come out not with additional bruises, but smeared with green. What is more embarrassing than the most powerful abuse.
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 20 October 2012 15: 28
          0
          Demon_Ex,
          Now for any money it’s not sausage but bullshit, but at that time the sausage was meat sausage, with a spirit. Roads are not clogged with transport - beauty. Air and water are miracles. Now mud and mud. The people were many times more decent and sincere. All the shit came from behind the hill. Bread it with spoons now.
      4. cucun
        cucun 19 October 2012 13: 02
        0
        Where did you see kiwi in the USSR? There was no such ....
      5. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 19 October 2012 14: 33
        +1
        I remember the cake. But there was definitely no kiwi on it then.
      6. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 19 October 2012 17: 51
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the cake was called a basket,

        yes that cake, in the unit was in all cafes, etc.
        1. harrymur
          harrymur 19 October 2012 23: 08
          +2
          I have the fondest childhood memories of that time, a potato cake, milkshakes, soda machines, granny, grandfather,
          and of course the egg tax (from a peasant for childlessness),
          there were times, I didn’t even know who the secretary general was and the premier, or the defense ministry, by the way this ignorance just says that the people lived their own albeit controlled lives, the Russians always survived and did not look who was building an ideology there, this is a national feature and new iPhones with about Siberian Cranes)))
      7. mark021105
        mark021105 19 October 2012 17: 58
        +7
        Only in the photo is not the TA basket ... These are already modern realities. That basket may have looked more modest, but it was much tastier and safer ( wink ) current ...
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 50
          -4
          Quote: mark021105
          That basket may have looked more modest, but it was much tastier

          Over the years, the sense of touch, smell and other "babysitting" dulls. You can't argue with science! smile
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 20 October 2012 15: 34
            0
            Konrad,
            Now people are eating shit driven from the west. And at that time we did not have this poison - they were healthier and more fun. We guys wandered around the city until the evening and were not afraid that we would be raped or killed.
      8. serge
        serge 20 October 2012 07: 53
        -2
        The "basket" cake is modern. Kiwi was not grown in the USSR.
      9. Vodrak
        Vodrak 20 October 2012 08: 55
        0
        yes, only oranges were not there, but we simply didn’t know about kiwi
    2. Hon
      Hon 19 October 2012 10: 42
      -1
      Do you have a car?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        Do you have a car?

        If you want to purchase, I’m to your services, write in a personal
      2. Demon_Ex
        Demon_Ex 19 October 2012 11: 34
        +3
        My first car was "Moskvich 402" which I assembled with my own hands. For me, the car is primarily a means of transportation, not self-affirmation. I can afford to buy a decent car for decent money!
  4. grizzlir
    grizzlir 19 October 2012 08: 25
    +5
    We understand that this is naive, and that the life of an entire country cannot be reversed, but that’s how we differ in mentality from Western “partners”. We have a childish naive retro dream, which sometimes allows us to rethink personal and social values ​​and take a fresh look at ourselves and our role in the life of a big country
    Why is it a childhood dream. All that is necessary to nationalize the enterprises extracting and processing natural resources. All profits, huge profits, will be directed not to the members of the "family" but to the state. How many projects then the state can implement. Social programs: free medicine, education, affordable housing ..... And how can you quickly re-equip the army with these funds, then you can start a real reform and re-equip the troops with new equipment. However, such transformations will cause rage on the part of our sworn "capitalist friends" the very existence of a huge socialist state undermines their foundation And this will inevitably lead to attempts to change power in Russia from abroad by any means, not a feigned attempt to change power as it is now, but a real one with economic blockades and an arms race, creating a real internal opposition.
    I WANT TO ASK. WOULD YOU READY TO LIVE IN A SOCIALIST STATE AND BE AT THE SIGHT OF THE WHOLE WORLD. OR A QUIET WORK FOR THE OWNER IN A STATE IN WHICH YOU ALREADY DECIDED FOR YOU?
  5. sergo0000
    sergo0000 19 October 2012 08: 26
    +1
    Well, they also say that if you really want and wish for one thing to the greatest possible number of people, then it will come true!
    So our people fly their dream quietly in barracks, bam and revolution! And there is no empire!
    The intuition in the evenings in the communal kitchens is whispering under the whiskey brought by some of the writers from behind the hill, and they sold the Union!
    So Alexey, the dreams of a Russian person sometimes have the peculiarity come true.
    Yes, and they are not as safe as it might seem at first glance for ourselves. winked
    Anyway, the article is a plus.
    1. arhipelag
      arhipelag 19 October 2012 11: 06
      +4
      142,9 million Russians wish (dreams, whatever) the revival of the USSR or something like that ...
      312,1 million Americans not only do not want (dreams, whatever), to prevent this, but in general they wish our country little good ...
      Total 142 for 312 ... we are less ((
      1. cucun
        cucun 19 October 2012 13: 15
        +5
        For most amers, the existence of Russia is not at all interesting, and not everyone knows where it is. belay
        The USSR was a bone in the throat of all imperialism. And because of this, we disturbed everyone, ordinary people, as usual, were fooled by TV, etc.
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 53
          -2
          Quote: cucun
          ordinary people as usual fooled

          You just noticed that!
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 52
        0
        Quote: arhipelag

        142,9 million Russians wish (dreams, whatever) the revival of the USSR or something like that ...

        Me and my family do not need to enter there !!!
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 20 October 2012 21: 10
          +1
          Konrad,
          Such there are unnecessary. Such a country needs normal smart people, with a core in the soul. All mankind let them blow to the west.
  6. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 19 October 2012 08: 38
    +26
    In essence, I don’t want to argue especially.
    But it seems to me that this is not from the ephemeral need for nostalgia as such, but in the absence of a unifying idea.
    We need it. With it, black stale bread is tastier and holey boots are warmer and more comfortable. We need a great goal, a unifying idea.
    So we are looking for it wherever possible, and the simplest is to look in the past. After all, our past gives us reason to be proud of them. So we are fetching from history how seine fishermen have everything you can poke your finger at and say - that’s how good it was then.
    The national idea of ​​"global consumption", which the United States and Europe has embraced with a bang, has not passed and will not pass. We need creativity, creativity and material results of our national labors.
    I remembered for some reason this particular joke.
    “Dad, did you have tolerance in the Soviet army?”
    - Who told you such garbage ?!
    - Well, you yourself said that two a, Tatar, Buryats, Georgians and Latvians served with you. And like everything was hurt.
    - Remember once and for all. Tolerance is falsehood, liberalism and homosexual. And in our Soviet army there was a friendship of peoples.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 19 October 2012 09: 03
      +4
      Aventurinka


      Quote: Aventurinka
      Remember once and for all. Tolerance is falsehood, liberalism and homosexual. But in our Soviet army there was a friendship of peoples.


      Just a class!
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 19 October 2012 09: 17
      +11
      Quote: Aventurinka
      We need a great goal, a unifying idea.

      Good morning. I agree with you. But the problem is seen in the fact that in the current conditions of society of individualists and consumers, it is extremely difficult to find some common idea, if not impossible. The stratification of society is too great. And even if such an idea appears, will you personally be ready to believe in it? Look back: Our ancestors, by their labor, sweat and blood, built a powerful state, postponing their happiness until tomorrow (remember the slogan: "Our children will live better than us!") Magnitka, BAM, Bratskaya HPP, Dneproges, Volga-Don canal ... So what? Labor results whole generations assigned by very specific people. The present time: The chief executives of enterprises regularly change expensive cars and wind up with families on Courchevel at a time when ordinary employees of these enterprises receive salaries of 15-20 thousand (sometimes even less) So what the hell out of the general idea? Will we earn one more Chelsea for Abramovich ???
      1. Aventurinka
        Aventurinka 19 October 2012 10: 18
        +3
        Quote: Ribwort
        And even if such an idea appears, will you personally be ready to believe in it?

        Personally, I just believe ... most likely - no. But to accept and participate - most likely - yes.
        And about Abramovich and others like him ... I can’t always formulate my personal opinion so that they understand me correctly. And this is exactly the case. If I formulate - I will write in detail. request
        In short, then across the country, everything looks much more rosy than applied separately to each individual. After all, we, through their labors, are for the most part independent of the rest of the world. And this is already worth a lot.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 19 October 2012 21: 36
          +1
          The unifying idea exists forever, like people do, it’s just now that it is carefully blocked by all kinds of nonsense, and the attention of people has been shifted from the main thing to vanity. This form of struggle for living space.
      2. Piran
        Piran 21 October 2012 18: 47
        0
        But the Norwegians and some other countries are saving for their future. deposit money in the "Funds for Future Generations". The question is, will they let us do this ..
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 19 October 2012 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: Aventurinka
      Tolerance is falsehood, liberalism and homosexual. And in our Soviet army there was a friendship of peoples.
      - gold words.
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 October 2012 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: Aventurinka
      And in our Soviet army there was a friendship of peoples.

      Just remember. Thank you. love
    5. Konrad
      Konrad 19 October 2012 21: 58
      -2
      Quote: Aventurinka
      With it, black stale bread is tastier and holey boots are warmer and more comfortable

      To hell with such an idea, to go in holey boots! Equality of the poor - have already passed!
  7. Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 October 2012 08: 40
    0
    Most want to return to childhood or adolescence, to living parents. "You cannot enter the same water twice."
    We must live in the present. After 30 years, our children will live memories ......
    Utopian article. As an essay on the topic "What we do not store, we lose - we cry" 4+ you can put no more.
    1. esaul
      esaul 19 October 2012 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Most want to return to childhood or adolescence, to living parents. "You cannot enter the same water twice."

      Greetings, Boris. That's right, colleague! Comment - plus and regret about the minuses that are highlighted in your window ... People in a hurry, beating the clave, emotions ...
      But the article is not utopian. You already hurried with the determination ...
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 19 October 2012 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: esaul
        But the article is not utopian. You already hurried with the determination ...

        Good day, Valery. Regarding the cons, I’m not particularly complex.
        Utopia - to revive the old union. New, based on new realities and on new conditions favorable to our Motherland - we will come to this - I am sure.
        Time will put everything in its place.
        A month ago, they threw down my minuses for the possibility of the collapse of the United States in the foreseeable historical future, and now ..........
        PS
        Everyone wants the most interesting thing to the Great Country, but they remember ice cream, gas for 3 kopecks each ............ Nobody remembered the Warsaw Pact! And this is probably more important, and everyone understands that ice cream is easier to feed.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 19 October 2012 09: 41
          +1
          Right, BortRadist.
          Right, Boris.
          An article is a passage through what is called. It was necessary to write something - they wrote something that would give a ride anyway.
          Who is nostalgic about? Massively, in addition?
          Mass - psychoses happen. Well, for example, when on the EBN-otuvuyu talking room were conducted.
          Youth is remembered. Childhood. Carelessness.
          Because the period from 30 to 40 - I do not want to remember.
          And now - only in youth and is beckoning to return. In youth.
          ...
          Like us, and remember the Union. Here we recall. Because there is something to remember.
          And my daughters - what are they nostalgic for? How did I get limited vodka on coupons for two babies?
          ..
          The article put a minus.
  8. alexdol
    alexdol 19 October 2012 08: 44
    +14
    Nostalgia is good, but if it is massive, then it's time to move on to rebuilding the COUNTRY! Here's my opinion .. It's time to "collect stones"!
  9. Pimply
    Pimply 19 October 2012 08: 50
    -20
    Nostalgia is great. Let the people insist on trying to get good clothes, lines, and a shortage of products.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 19 October 2012 09: 12
      +3
      You can take the good, discard the bad, only write laws need fair and conscientious people!
    2. max-02215
      max-02215 19 October 2012 09: 42
      +2
      Yeah, just who created this deficit and who planned everything? It’s not in vain that they say, give me a fool, a glass horseradish, he will knock them on a corner. However, now, they are trying to buy sausage GOST. And I really want to understand the advantages of privatization - the light industry was simply destroyed, in the best case, the workshops were made into markets and shops. As for the oil industry and gas, there is generally optimization, it’s just super- there used to be enough money to feed fraternal communist parties, maintain fraternal republics, develop fraternal African and South American countries and still have enough money for defense and space. And now, something that is not very, ends meet make it okay.
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 19 October 2012 10: 47
      +4
      The pimply "Let the people go on trying to get good clothes, queues, and food shortages." There is some truth in your rights. But all of something went in jeans - this time. Ie got it, bought at least who wanted. Second, I did not see people climbing in the trash cans. And now I constantly see this kind of picture. People eat from the garbage. Is this fine in your opinion? It is not necessary to represent everything in black, the world and then had different shades. It wasn't all bad.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 19 October 2012 10: 56
        +8
        Quote: Nagaibak
        But all that something went in jeans - this time.

        But now jeans are not a problem, but a self-respecting person in a decent society will not put these shepherd's pants on! Personally, in my wardrobe there is one pair of them - for the garden and picnic.
        Quote: Nagaibak
        The second - in the trash of climbing people I have not seen.

        They just weren't there! And the guarantee of providing free housing (although it was necessary to wait in line for 5-7 years. By the way, in the village these lines were not at all) is a great incentive to improve demographics, which can hardly be compared with the miserable efforts of current hangers-on ...
        1. grizzlir
          grizzlir 19 October 2012 12: 32
          +3
          Quote: Ribwort
          A guarantee of providing free housing (although it was necessary to wait 5-7 years in line
          It depends on where. The opportunities were great then. You know how to work and want, go to the north. And you will earn money for a cooperative and a car. As for free housing, my family (father of a miner) got 3 apartments in three years. The first was a two-room apartment . After a year, odnushka, and when I was born they got a kopeck piece. Cities in the 70s were built whole and not separate houses.
          A soldier from the Tula region served for me, his parents worked for a well-known participant of the State Emergency Committee Starodubtsev. So in the days of the USSR, a guy told me that in the village good urban-type apartments were given a year after the application was submitted. and so that without flying in. Everything is of course free.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 19 October 2012 17: 18
          -2
          Yeah, it wasn’t about - that's fine.

          "Homeless. The concept entered the Russian language circulation in the 1970s, when the abbreviation homeless began to appear in the police records of detention of persons without a fixed abode."
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 20 October 2012 21: 18
            -1
            Pimply,
            Homeless people came with the beginning of your shit democracy. All evil from the liberals.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 October 2012 21: 55
              +1
              All evil, as a rule, comes from stupid people. Homeless people, sadly enough, have always been - both under Stalin and under Brezhnev. What do you think, was there an article "for vagrancy" in the USSR Criminal Code for no reason?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 05
                0
                Zhen’s human memory is selective, I remember everything good: ice cream, the smell and taste of fresh bread, I ran to the bakery twice as a child, until you get to the house, you’ll get half a ton wink Now even such a thought does not arise. I went to the Volkonsky bakery bought a bun for an insane price, ate it, tormented me with heartburn, I almost spat out my stomach.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 October 2012 22: 08
                  +1
                  About that and speech. In the USSR there were many positive aspects. But there was a whole bunch of negative ones. And the negative in the end outweighed the positive, destroying the country.

                  And as for the loaves - here it is, plus and minus the choice. 8)
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 14
                    +1
                    Zhen, as the French say: happiness is not in owning black caviar, but in the ability to find taste in it. bully
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 20 October 2012 22: 24
                      +1
                      Like so 8))
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 19 October 2012 17: 16
        +1
        Quote: Nagaibak
        But all that something went in jeans - this time. Ie got, bought at least who wanted.

        Remember how it got to you and how much the jeans cost the farmer?
        Quote: Nagaibak
        People from the garbage can eat. Is that perfect in your opinion?

        If you think that this was not then - you did not live in our beloved country. There were beggars, and homeless people, and prostitutes. Everything was. On a smaller scale, and not so openly. And all lived in poverty. Collectively.

        However, I will not say that today's life is beautiful. They built it according to the same patterns and in the same spirit as that one.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 19 October 2012 18: 59
          +2
          Pimply "If you think that then this was not - you did not live in our beloved country. There were beggars, and homeless people, and prostitutes. Everything was. On a smaller scale, and not so openly. And everyone lived in poverty. Collectively." In the case of the scale. There are people who cannot ALLOW meat for months! And before, even a homeless person could eat at a canteen for 1 ruble. Some kind of cutlet to eat. And I rarely bought jeans from farmers. I found a shop in one village and bought there! The fact is that the locals apparently did not need jeans - a joke. And in the village they had a timber industry and this kind of goods were not unusual there. I remember a wooden store, a raskrivushka, but inside there were normal goods at state prices.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 19 October 2012 19: 28
            +2
            Quote: Nagaibak
            And before, even a homeless person could eat a ruble in the canteen on 1. What kind of cutlet to eat.

            And now it can. Stolovki remained. A burger at McDonalds 100 rubles costs, eat in the canteen, with the first, second third - within a hundred can.

            Quote: Nagaibak
            The fact is that the local apparently didn’t need a jeans - a joke. And in the village they had a timber industry and such goods there were not out of the ordinary. I remember a wooden shop, a rakrivushka, and inside there are normal goods at a state price.

            Yeah. Normal products. That's just my friends who lived outside Moscow-Peter, now remember how in the capital cities for any more or less normal products and things dangled
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 20 October 2012 09: 06
              +1
              If something normal goods were not only in the capitals. We in Siberia did not particularly complain.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 20 October 2012 21: 56
            0
            I agree that I myself bought such things in jeans and sneakers in Koptorg stores in the countryside. In co-op trading, all this was sold at a state price such as exchange for agricultural products, only in the village they didn’t take them much, where they went to the arable land or a farm in sneakers kirzachi is handy. And because it was quite realistic to buy, nobody really suffered from the clothes. And to eat in rural canteens at 50-60 cents was quite real.
    4. SSR
      SSR 19 October 2012 14: 42
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      Let the people poke on trying to get good clothes, lines, and a shortage of products

      That's honestly))) I remember the 90s in winter in Batin shoes 45 the size of his trousers from the (sides I took off) pancake .. lunch a piece of bread made from wallpaper flour and tea ...)) 2000th pile of clothes ..... and caught myself on the fact that I go in the same pants and in one sweatshirt))) everything else is episodic)))
      Food. with food the same crap))) boiled potatoes in their uniforms peeled, chopped dill with salt and aromatic oil seasoned))) kussnaaa !!!
      or just boiled yes with sauerkraut))
      That's honest .. at home from the refrigerator semi-finished products disappeared for about 8 years already
      but on weekends the whole family knead the dough and make mince ....
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 October 2012 17: 19
        0
        Yeah. Because you have enough free choice
    5. lelikas
      lelikas 19 October 2012 15: 09
      +5
      Quote: Pimply
      Let the people poke on trying to get good clothes, lines, and a shortage of products

      You won’t believe it, but really good things and products cost such money that you need to get the money yourself !!! I’m sorry that shit is sold in ordinary shops and grocery stores - this is not to die of hunger and there was something to hide behind.
      There are queues now, especially for all free services.
      And we were blamed for the machines here, and so the queue for a year or two is already running on them (not all of course).
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 October 2012 17: 20
        -1
        Quote: lelikas
        shit that is sold in ordinary shops and grocery -

        Yeah. Nevertheless, it is.
    6. Rezun
      Rezun 19 October 2012 16: 35
      +12
      I am not nostalgic - I BELIEVE !!!
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 20 October 2012 21: 23
        -1
        Rezun,
        I believe too. But now the rollback has passed, there are many reasons for this. Not only domestic. External will be more
    7. Sandov
      Sandov 20 October 2012 21: 15
      -1
      Pimply,
      clothes and scarcity is not the most important thing in life.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 October 2012 21: 56
        0
        No, not the point. But living without a deficit is somehow easier. Did you live under the USSR?
  10. str73
    str73 19 October 2012 09: 03
    +11
    The most important thing that ordinary people are nostalgic for, if we take the USSR, was that there was confidence in the future (I certainly don’t take into account the times of the general secretary of the traitor Gorbachev - this is generally material for the investigation). Confidence that tomorrow you will not be kicked out of work, not thrown out of the apartment, earned money will not depreciate, etc. I grew up in a poor working-class family, I didn’t live very well, but I remember this confidence of adults well. But those who lived well then (by then standards) - probably remember how they were not allowed to turn around in their theft and they have no nostalgia.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 19 October 2012 10: 47
      +12
      Right! They went to ... with their strawberries in the winter and Coca-Cola in the public domain! The main thing is confidence that you will not remain a beggar tomorrow, no one will throw you out of the apartment and there will be nothing for the children to pay for education!
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 19 October 2012 10: 58
        +10
        Quote: Magadan
        They went to ... with their strawberries in the winter and Coca-Cola in the public domain!

        Strawberries in winter? Grass-grass ... And about Coca-Cola in general is a separate song. Some only now began to understand how natural "Baikal" was better ...
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 19 October 2012 17: 20
        -5
        This is the beggar's assurance of poverty.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 20 October 2012 21: 26
          -1
          Pimply,
          Well, why do you give us the Amersky doctor? The people eats it and dies, or as the amers get fat.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 October 2012 21: 58
            +1
            Yeah. Favorite bedtime stories
    2. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 20 October 2012 05: 16
      +2
      Quote: str73
      how they were not allowed to turn around in their theft and they have no nostalgia.

      ...... The word "huckster" and the word "fagot" in our company were synonymous ..., the word "swindler" ... was never used, the breed of these people had a name - "huckster" ... (g .Lipetsk .... seventies ...)
  11. baltika-18
    baltika-18 19 October 2012 09: 06
    +4
    I read about nostalgia. Okay, but I disagree categorically with one paragraph, the penultimate one about the role of the individual, the role of the head of state. Oh, how much depends on such a person. So far, apparently we don’t.
    1. markevo
      markevo 19 October 2012 19: 20
      +1
      I have the same opinion
  12. zz2003_1974
    zz2003_1974 19 October 2012 09: 20
    +11
    [I want to go back to the USSR !!!
  13. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 19 October 2012 09: 24
    +7
    You know, you got it! No one went naked. It is clear that not everything was cloudless, but a pensioner could live on his pension and not die of starvation, a worker could earn a lot if he had high qualifications, at that time a lot, even the notorious 120 rubles. enough for life! And most importantly, probably, any person felt behind the back the power of the STATE with which it was not worth joking. As for freedom, then everything is interconnected. If you want 70 varieties of sausage and criticize power, you will receive it, but along with terrorism, homosexuality, and moral degradation. You do not want? Then you have to share the freedoms. Although everything is relative - what. jokes about power or nobody told Leonid Ilyich then?
  14. grizzlir
    grizzlir 19 October 2012 09: 38
    +5
    I always remember the 70s-80s only on the good side. I will try to be objective. There were queues for bread and milk, there were. After school, my duty was to go to the store for bread and milk, I went, stood, took a veteran who couldn’t take to my family and neighbor walk. Bread and milk were enough for everyone. In the village my grandmother imported bread 3 times a week. A horse-drawn box-van traveled, took bread in bags. Peasants fed them cattle. The quality of bread was much better than in the city. There was a shortage of light industrial goods. I managed to buy the very first jeans in Moscow in the 80s for 110 rubles, but it was MONTANA and not modern Chinese-Turkish consumer goods. At school, the seller’s favorite teachers were the children of the sellers. In the shops, I met my teachers leaving the back door with bags full of bags. One of my classmates, the son of a saleswoman, couldn’t write anything on geometry exams in grade 10. They called me to the blackboard. Serge , draw a circle. He takes chalk, draws something. Draw a square. Draws, but with a ruler. Go three. After the army, he went to work in the police, now he is a major !!! In a military school, I ran into army dubiousness. They really rolled square, dragged round. But these were flowers in comparison with the troops.
    But there was a downside. There was a reinforced concrete belief that after graduating from school the state would need me. I will have a job, an apartment or a house, I will receive free medical care and my children, if not lazy, are guaranteed to receive secondary and higher education. If if the enemy attacks us, this very wooden army instantly transformed and became the most combat-ready army in the world, armed at that time with military equipment that was in no way inferior to the technology of a probable enemy. It is worth mentioning the profession of an officer in the times of the USSR, 3-4 people from our school of class always went to military schools. Of my class, 7 people became army officers, half of the guys.
  15. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 19 October 2012 09: 40
    +1
    We do not need the past, we need a joint future with a united people and patriotic elites.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 19 October 2012 10: 45
      +7
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      we need a joint future with a united people and patriotic elites.

      You know, earlier in the countryside doctors, teachers, cultural workers were called elite, intelligentsia ... But now the word "elite" is not very associated with the word and for some reason I want to spit. "Intelligentsia" in general has become almost an abusive expression - an example of how you can turn everything upside down almost overnight ... what Those who are now called the elite (and in fact temporary parasites) need to be uprooted, you see and there will be order and respect for the state ...
    2. Shulz-1955
      Shulz-1955 19 October 2012 21: 09
      +1
      Patriotic angry, how does it sound, huh? But where is she?
  16. Normal
    Normal 19 October 2012 09: 41
    +5
    Eh, nostalgia .... "And we were all humanists, and malice was alien to us. And even filmmakers loved each other then ..."
    Everything is correct; Good is remembered with pleasure, but bad and I don’t want to remember. And another eternal desire to return to childhood. So that someone would take care that someone would decide everything for us, and we would be confident in the future.
    Hence the nostalgia. Hence the dissatisfaction with the current. The current leadership does not care, you see, about us and the country.
    It's time to grow up guys. "No one will give us deliverance. Neither God, nor the king, and not the hero ..." Stop feeling nostalgic. It's time to demand that the authorities comply with the law and learn to defend their own interests. It's time to fight for your rights. Then there will be less time for nostalgia.
  17. nikkon09
    nikkon09 19 October 2012 09: 42
    +4
    But I believe that it’s not nostalgia, but rather a rejection of a new way of life and lifestyle. From conversations, many of my friends who were born in the USSR are not eager to return to the USSR, but simply understand that now they are much materially and morally worse. Just a desire to live worthy and nostalgia are two different things. I will dare to assure that most of the memories of the USSR as childhood memories are not moreover, I would like to rejoice now, as then, to the successes of athletes, scientists and workers, but, moreover, socialism, there is no desire to live.
  18. anfreezer
    anfreezer 19 October 2012 09: 57
    +16
    Yes, I would have given my car in the garage (not bad, by the way) without looking for giving back that machineless time, for the time when people were kinder and more sympathetic to each other, yes, if you want, and "the trees were taller, the grass was naturally greener, and the doctors and shop assistants were more caring and respectful ...".. I can find fault and criticize this power in the kitchen, in the courtyard, in the square, in the newspaper, in the Internet, at least until ..... and ... it’s only for her ... th (earlier if you weren’t raked for it, that sense was in the form of a positive reaction, but there was no such ostentatious indifference of the authorities) ... And about sausage, you don’t need to la la at all, I somehow bought sausage "700 rubles each with their full presence" , I wanted to fry, as before, with a golden ruddy crust, x ..... p there, even the dog did not eat this "pate" ... Well, that's it, it's time to turn on the brakes, I still can't be convinced, I lived then , I live now, I compare, I think ... smile
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 19 October 2012 10: 45
      +5
      They would have brought iPhones as an example! Do not confuse technical progress in other countries with the achievements of our rulers!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 13: 01
      +4
      Good photo and no traffic jams, blur winked
  19. marmon
    marmon 19 October 2012 10: 20
    +8
    It was not necessary to break with the foundation b .....
  20. Magadan
    Magadan 19 October 2012 10: 43
    +21
    At this time, Alexei minus.
    1. For the fact that I can buy a car, many thanks to technological progress, but not to the current government. You would give iPhones and laptops as an example.
    2. For some reason, I am nostalgic for the times of the USSR, but with horror I recall the EBN years. Although I was 20 years old and my whole life was ahead, and even student time!
    3. The whole country went on vacation just under the USSR, but not now
    4. Say neither the tsar father nor Stalin can return the "good old days"? And I say - CAN. You only need two things. The first is to decide again that we are a COLLEGE people and not selfish. Those. the minimum set of rights for a citizen is free education, medicine and the simplest housing, even if only for a family, not for a person. No money left? Take what the oligarchs were given for free. I don't believe that a country with 40% of the world's resources divided by 2% of the population has no money. Second, it is clear to say that we are screwed by crap, we are a society of traditional values. No homosexuals, no free porn, no juvenile justice.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 19 October 2012 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      And I say - they CAN.

      Bravo. It’s a pity I can’t put more advantages ...
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 October 2012 11: 12
      +6
      Quote: Magadan
      Take away what the oligarchs were given for free.


      No one, for this the police to the police, and accessories in the army
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 October 2012 13: 37
      +6
      Quote: Magadan
      . The whole country went on vacation just under the USSR, but not now

      I didn’t want to comment, I couldn’t resist. 1989 year-plane ticket to Irkutsk 84 rubles, now 11000, then in the compartment then 45 rubles, now 12000. Having received my salary and vacation pay at that time, I calmly got on the train with my wife and daughter 9 Irkutsk-Moscow also went on vacation. It was enough not only for round-trip tickets, but also to have a normal rest. I worked alone, my wife and I still had a child.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 20 October 2012 22: 14
        +2
        In the 80's, the dockers from the Dudinka seaport had a trick: on Saturday to get a ticket to Moscow, they arrived in the morning, had a beer in the bar or in the pub for a walk and returned home by night flight. The ticket cost 54 rubles to Moscow, the salary of the docker in the port 500-600 rubles, a tavern you yourself understand more than 50 didn’t leave a person. That’s how they lived. It’s not in Bukhara, but in opportunities, and now a ticket to Moscow is 20-25 thousand, and the salary is 35 thousand rubles.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 17
          0
          What's true, it's true, I flew like that with such a docker wink Thank you Yuri, it was recalled as if it were yesterday.
    4. Jin
      Jin 19 October 2012 15: 33
      +6
      Magadan,
      Yes, yes and yes again! To kill some Soviet excesses, such as the Iron Curtain and REALLY reorganize the economy, and not destroy everything and plunder in the 90s (and with a bunch of derasts), we would live and be happy as a worm in an apple! To you +
  21. andrey.shamay
    andrey.shamay 19 October 2012 10: 57
    -2
    Nostalgia for the past may be a pleasant experience for someone, but it is absolutely unproductive. Personally, I am much more pleased to dream about the future, and not about the past. Set achievable goals and achieve their fulfillment. Do what you can, and what happens is destined. And you will be happy. If it doesn’t work, try again or change direction.
    And to indulge in dreams of the past is the lot of losers. For these dreamers of the impossible nothing happened in the past and nothing will come of the future.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 19 October 2012 11: 04
      +6
      Quote: andrey.shamay
      And to indulge in dreams of the past is the lot of losers.

      And what have dreams to do with it? Awareness of the mistakes of the past is the key to not repeating them in the future ...
      Quote: andrey.shamay
      These dreamers of the impossible

      But practice has shown that everything was possible and quite achievable ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 19 October 2012 11: 09
        +6
        Quote: Ribwort
        Awareness of the mistakes of the past is the key to not repeating them in the future ...


        Tolik is not about us. About us, when it’s rake
        Quote: Ribwort
        But practice has shown that everything was possible and quite achievable ..


        And here to the point, only those who have a "business" buy and sell do not understand, even kill
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 19 October 2012 11: 26
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          About us, when it’s rake

          I'm afraid, Vadim, everything is more serious. If the perverted logic of those who, for the sake of their selfish interest, are ready to sell both the country and the people and their mother can still be justified somehow (but not justified), then how to understand those who regularly receive these rakes on the forehead, continues to attack them, trying to make out are there signs of a change for the better?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 19 October 2012 11: 39
            +6
            Quote: Ribwort
            trying to discern signs of a change for the better?


            So for this purpose all these national fronts, seligers and so on are created.
  22. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 19 October 2012 11: 34
    +6
    Well, yes, it is: guaranteed housing, free medicine and education were changed for holidays in Turkey and credit cars. Cool!
    1. Normal
      Normal 19 October 2012 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      rented housing, free medicine and education were changed for holidays in Turkey and credit cars.


      To the point, Artyom.

      We changed the awl to soap,
      "Tyurma" exchanged for "mess"
      Why do we need someone else's tequila?
      We had a wonderful shmurdyak!

      T.Shaov
    2. Jin
      Jin 19 October 2012 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      Well, yes, it is: guaranteed housing, free medicine and education were changed for holidays in Turkey and credit cars. Cool!

      What is cool? What ..en will you get guaranteed accommodation? I modestly keep silent about loans ... such interest on loans, as in our country, taking into account our salaries, would cause an epidemic of heart attacks in Europe.
  23. tan0472
    tan0472 19 October 2012 11: 47
    +1
    G. Shpalikov

    Unfortunately or fortunately
    The truth is simple:
    Never come back
    In former places.

    Even if the ashes
    It looks quite
    Do not find what we are looking for -
    Neither you nor me ...

    1. Normal
      Normal 19 October 2012 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: tan0472
      Never come back


      Hurry, run, say goodbye - you will not have time to look back.
      Not on the mountain. not for luck.
      Believe, hope, wait, despair.
      But come back, come back ....
      If there is where to return.

      A. Romanov?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        A. Romanov?

        If this is a question for me, then how sideways?
        1. Normal
          Normal 19 October 2012 12: 57
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If this is a question for me, then how sideways?

          Text from the song by Alexei Romanov "Rush Train"
          The question is because there is no certainty that the words belong to him.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: Normal

            Text from the song by Alexei Romanov "Rush Train"
            The question is because there is no certainty that the words belong to him.

            I see, I'm sorry for the concern. drinks
      2. tan0472
        tan0472 19 October 2012 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        If there is where to return.

        If there is where to return
        That doesn’t mean what they expect
        "Come back, come back"
        Are you sure you don't lie?

        Are you sure coming back
        Will you find what you were looking for?
        That your name is "from the heart"
        And do not "sharpen their dagger"?
        1. Normal
          Normal 19 October 2012 13: 06
          +3
          Quote: tan0472

          Quote: Normal
          If there is where to return.
          If there is where to return
          That doesn’t mean what they expect


          I admit - "washed away" smile
          But still:
          But what will have to be done even though evil is trying more than good.
          A forgotten song gives me warmth, as if everything was yesterday.
          Maybe I didn’t quite forget the time when joy loved me?
          Maybe one look back will open my eyes to the future?

          K. Nikolsky.
  24. 8 company
    8 company 19 October 2012 13: 18
    +1
    The article is quite reasonable, sensible, the author cannot be accused of either embellishing or denigrating our history. She is what she was, and nothing can be changed. And I perfectly remember whitewash at 18 kopecks, buns with raisins at 10 each, bread at 15 and 16, draft tomato juice in the cafeterias, where there were glasses with salt and a spoon; how we drove into our yard of 4 "Khrushchevs" on our "old" Volga and she was the only car in the yard. I remember how my parents "got" food in different ways - sometimes in queues, sometimes in district committee buffets, "squinting" under a local party worker ... In the queue myself, I remember, I stood for 6 hours for an air ticket. The girls were beautiful and chaste good
  25. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 19 October 2012 14: 05
    +1
    Quote: Aventurinka
    And in our Soviet army there was a friendship of peoples.

    And it was an ARMY !!! And even if not in uniform from Yudashkin, the whole world reckoned with her!
    Julia - I applaud! Thank you for reminding me! hi
  26. wulf66
    wulf66 19 October 2012 14: 15
    +4
    For complete happiness, each person needs to have a GLORIOUS FATHERLAND !!!
    1. Jin
      Jin 19 October 2012 15: 20
      +2
      Quote: wulf66
      For complete happiness, each person needs to have a GLORIOUS FATHERLAND !!!

      Exactly! I pushed it a little longer. Verily brevity is the sister of talent. To you +
  27. wax
    wax 19 October 2012 14: 52
    +1
    The article is unsuccessful. There is no core - you can not compare candy wrappers in the form of nicknames, mat, cars, etc. with a sense of existence and national identity.
  28. Jin
    Jin 19 October 2012 15: 18
    +5
    Hello! Everyone is right here in their own way. And as always there are two sides of the coin. Yes, there were queues in the union, a deficit of everything and everyone, aging gene seki carrying nonsense about the fact that "the economy should be economical", the iron curtain, with its fucking kinks, yes, there was a lagging "morally not aging" electronics, car industry, etc. .d. BUT! There was pride in their army, the state guaranteed old age not in poverty, free high-quality education, free medicine, respect for elders, a low crime rate (who remembers, the police are not even that the PM, the batons did not wear it, for the most part part, respected), people were many times more responsive and welcoming, more united. There was a lot of good and bad, personally I have nostalgia for the good, for that which modern Russia, to my great regret, lacks.
  29. Raiven
    Raiven 19 October 2012 16: 39
    +3
    I want back to Sovet Union
  30. 8 company
    8 company 19 October 2012 17: 13
    0
    By the way, my son entered the St. Petersburg Academy of Culture last year, studies for free on a budget, pays some ridiculous money for a hostel - less than 1000 rubles. in a year. So, moaning about paid education is not necessary.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 21 October 2012 17: 13
      0
      8 company,
      Did not have to give a bribe?
  31. zavesa01
    zavesa01 19 October 2012 17: 37
    +3
    We lived in a GREAT country! Unfortunately, we now live in an ordinary state. That’s why nostalgia is. Although not everything was good in that country, but it was my MOTHERLAND in which the BROTHER nations lived. There was no addiction, parasitism, debauchery. Youngsters did not smoke in the streets for fear of PUBLIC opinion. In that country there was a FAMILY institute and free menicin. In that country there were no such words as inflation, default, crisis. There was freedom, equality, fraternity.
    GLORY TO MY HOMELAND - USSR !!!
  32. dmb
    dmb 19 October 2012 19: 37
    +3
    Ba-a. Mr. Volodin got involved in philosophy. Most commendable. True, the philosopher Diogenes was content with a barrel. And Volodin cannot think of philosophy without a car in the garage and sausages in the store. Well, here everyone has their own philosophy. Somewhat spoils (in my opinion) the depth of philosophical views is the following quote: "At the same time, the same people do not at all think that their current job allows them to have a car in the garage, which they bought without waiting in line for 10 years, go on vacation there every year where they want, and not just to the dacha for weeding the beds with cucumbers and eggplants.Do not think about the fact that, hiding behind different nicknames, they can calmly throw mud at the authorities, a neighbor, a boss, any interlocutor and at the same time calmly declare that the Internet - this is a real cesspool that corrupts modern children and adolescents. The same person does not think about what comes to the store and has the opportunity to choose sausage either at 70 rubles per kilo with a complete absence of meat products, or 700 rubles with their full presence. " When Mr. Volodin talks about work that allows him to buy a car and a garage, he probably means his fees. I'm very happy for him. However, the majority of the population, alas, cannot afford this, and purchasing on credit in the complete absence of confidence that you will not be thrown out of the gate tomorrow is bondage. Moreover, bondage is not only from the bank, but also from the employer, who doesn’t think much of you anyway, and upon learning about your loan will cut your salary, realizing that you have no way out and you will stay for less money. Further. If we throw mud at it, then the Internet is still a cesspool, and there is no sophistry here. But the trouble is, at least on this site, the authorities are not sling mud, but talk about its very specific sins before the people. The truth is, according to the saying, about looking for dirt in specific facts. And lastly, welcoming the author's craving for philosophy, I would like to continue in which he would reflect (not in general phrases about prosperity) how he sees the society of the future, but at the same time predicted how long those who buy sausage for 70 rubles will support those who buy it for 700, and then it will all end.
  33. Pimply
    Pimply 19 October 2012 20: 00
    -3
    In fact, everything is simple. For all its shortcomings, the USSR was a strong country that actively intervened in world politics, and which could not be ignored.
    Everything else is secondary.

    It is more pleasant to be strong than weak, or, more precisely, formerly strong. That's why this nostalgia. And behind it all the rubbish and dullness that were. Thieves' medicine, terrible service, shortage, the inability to go somewhere outside the country, Scoop - all the negative is erased by the only one: "We used to be strong." Life in the past, where there is one war - the Great Patriotic War, where there is one machine gun - Kalashnikov, where there is one space - Soviet.

    And any attempt on one of the shrines, a reminder that they fought not only in the USSR, that AK is a product of the middle of the last century, and Americans flew to the moon, often causes such convulsions with drooling that it’s scary to look at people.

    In Russia, they did not learn how to live in the present and future, unfortunately, they still live in the past here. Probably, only when the understanding comes that veterans - this applies to participants in other wars, and remembering the past, we should not forget about the future, in Russia they will stop nostalgic and finally begin to live.
    1. axmed05
      axmed05 19 October 2012 23: 32
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      In Russia, they did not learn how to live in the present and future, unfortunately, they still live in the past here. Probably, only when the understanding comes that veterans - this applies to participants in other wars, and remembering the past, we should not forget about the future, in Russia they will stop nostalgic and finally begin to live.
      Whoever shoots the Past with a pistol, the Future shoots with a gun
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 October 2012 01: 34
        -4
        We don’t need to forget the past, it teaches us, but living with it, as many live now, is a sin.
        1. With
          With 20 October 2012 01: 39
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          sin.


          Excuse me PLEASE, but Sin is a completely different one, you may not answer --- I promised Alexander !!! /
          But the fact that YOU are driving a blizzard --- that's for sure! bully
          Goodbye "PURGEN" --- where to buy such pills !!!)))
          I won’t even attach the image to you !!!))
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 October 2012 02: 35
            0
            Oh, they banned you, right? wink
            1. With
              With 20 October 2012 02: 44
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Oh, they banned you, right?


              Oh, how you probably trudged that there was no one to refute Ty while I was gone, well, there is the Brotherhood supported !!)))

              You can cut the new post again, as the Germans 10 tigers 60 T-34 thrashed and that the Tigers had a rate of fire !!))) I just neighing Diskavari yesterday from this !!))
              All Pokedova__ I promised Sasha !!!!!!
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 20 October 2012 03: 55
                +1
                Quote: Met
                You can cut the new post again, as the Germans 10 tigers 60 T-34 thrashed and that the Tigers had a rate of fire !!))) I just neighing Diskavari yesterday from this !!))


                You confuse me with someone again. Especially with the Discovery channel, which is hardly an authoritative source, it’s too much mess. I don’t go into tank themes much, it’s Kars’s chip.

                Although the story you are talking about took place, at least according to German documents. From the presentation of the Hauptsturmfuhrer Heinrich Kling to the Golden German Cross it was said:

                "He immediately began to pursue the enemy. Not paying attention to the danger, he led the tank group forward, after which he was able to capture the vicinity of the hill to the west of Prokhorovka. Our tank wedge deepened 60-70 kilometers in the enemy's position. In two days of fighting, his company destroyed fifty T-34s and one KV-1 and one KV-2. Hauptsturmführer Kling himself made a great contribution to this success, knocking out nine enemy tanks. "

                The fact is fixed, and he did not meet refutations. In 1943, the Tiger that Kling fought on did everything. But Soviet tanks were promptly amended; the T-34-85 did not just appear. In particular, to fight the Tigers, which were difficult at the initial stage to oppose something. However, in the Soviet army of that wartime, they studied very quickly.
                1. With
                  With 20 October 2012 04: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Pimply
                  You confuse me with someone again.

                  You cannot be confused with anyone !!!))
                  Quote: Pimply
                  From the presentation of the Hauptsturmfuhrer Heinrich Kling to the Golden German Cross it was said:

                  As I understand it, you have been looking for his documents for so long !!))
                  Quote: Pimply
                  In 1943, the Tiger, on which Kling fought, did everything.

                  Well of course ---- he was invisible !!) ()
                  Quote: Pimply
                  In particular, to fight the Tigers, which were difficult at the initial stage to oppose something.

                  Yes you ShShShOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ????)))
                  Quote: Pimply
                  However, in the Soviet army of that wartime, they studied very quickly.

                  Well, here is your truth --------------- demolished all the same fascist reptile !!!!))


                  I don’t talk with YOU anymore --- YOU .... not a free person !!!


                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 20 October 2012 05: 19
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                    Quote: Met
                    Well of course ---- he was invisible !!) ()

                    Not the specific Tiger that Kling drove, but the Panzerkampfwagen VI "Tiger I" Ausf E. Lord, have you ever read historical materials? Except for the hurray-patriotic newspapers like "Tomorrow"? Do you have any idea how difficult it was to fight the Germans, and how often they managed to surpass both the USSR and the allies in technical parameters?

                    Are you aware that the T-34 had more than 1000 constructive finishings during the war years, in order to deal with the emerging new weapons of the enemy? What, at a certain stage, did the Germans have had as yet unbeaten aces, excellently prepared by the many years of war in Europe, both in aviation and in tank troops?

                    Do you want to throw all the hats? No, blei, everything was easy and simple - said a person who did not read historical literature. Like two fingers, right?
                    1. With
                      With 20 October 2012 05: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Do you want to throw all the hats? No, blei, everything was easy and simple - said a person who did not read historical literature. Like two fingers, right?

                      And though you are a journalist - BUT a wimp - to talk with a forehead who has already said everything to YOU ​​--- well, you’re right SILEN !!!))) (the boys will understand) good

                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 05: 36
                        +1
                        But if I’m not mistaken, you climbed with comments on my posts, right? Are you funny at the thought of what our grandfathers really had to fight with? About how they had to fight with a perfectly prepared enemy who skillfully used modern and ultramodern weapons?

                        Kling destroyed on the 9 tanks the Tiger of the order of the 60 Soviet in three days. This figure does not seem unrealistic when you look at the statistics of ONE battle of the Nazi Michael Wittmann. In the famous battle at Ville-Bocage on 13 on June 1944, where Wittmann's skill and technical superiority of the Tiger tank over the Allied vehicles were clearly manifested, he spent 15 minutes on his Tiger No. 222 (which he transferred at the last minute due to engine failure in its Tiger No. 205) destroyed 11 tanks, 2 anti-tank guns and 13 armored personnel carriers, completely defeating the intelligence of the 7-th British armored division. IN ONE BATTLE. ONE TANK. In total, the Germans destroyed 25-26 tanks, and 20 armored personnel carriers.

                        The fact that the British managed to knock out 6 tigers was due to the "Sherman Firefly - Sherman II C" - a tank with the same increased caliber as the T-34-85, which was not available in 1943.

                        Learn the story. Our grandfathers pulled out a huge blood victory, with their teeth. And they did not throw enemies with caps.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 06: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Met
                        And you, though a journalist

                        Met gives, he is not a journalist. And the lobbyist who did not even answer more than one of my questions, there was Nothing hi
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 06: 28
                        0
                        And the only thing that Alexander Romanov can come up with is ineptly trying to insult.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 06: 37
                        0
                        Zhenya, I didn’t insult you in one of my posts, but the fact that you are lobbying for the interests of foreign technology is a no brainer. I understand that work is work.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 06: 53
                        +3
                        Sasha, moderate your tone, I highly recommend that you didn’t drink to the Brudershaft, and in one armored personnel carrier they didn’t undermine.

                        Who will I lobby for foreign technology and why? Here?
                        The lobbying of the equipment is carried out not on Internet gatherings, but with uncles in suits, in the city of Moscow, in the offices of Moscow Region, the Kremlin and the White House. And not only. Are you yelling about kickbacks on foreign equipment - but are you aware that kickbacks in the country are easier to do, at Russian companies? And they are regularly made. Like generals, governors, etc. scroll multi-million dollar circuit, in the know?

                        I do not lobby for foreign equipment, I am not an employee of Elbit Maarakhot or Rafael or Iveco. If I was doing this, it would not be here. I lobby for the lives of soldiers. Because on September 5, for example, a military convoy in Ingushetia was blown up - and six people died there.

                        I don’t care what kind of life label is on the product. If Russia doesn’t know how to do something or does it badly, after the sleeves is not something to be proud of.

                        You can be proud of Kalashnikov a hundred times. But what is offered in the form of AK-12 smells like 80-mi years of the last century. Shamans can be a hundred times a military general - which does not negate the fact that he organized gang raids for the band-in-law’s factory with the help of special forces soldiers of the Airborne Forces, washed grandmothers in the governor’s position, and now they are shoving the obsolete BMD-4M even before the release, which will become a coffin for soldier
                        There are normal firms that produce a normal Russian quality product. The same Orsis. The same corporation Protection - the only test for the demolition conducted. You advocate for the Tiger as if you are working in the Deripaska holding. If there are holes, they should not be plugged with shit, but with a normal plug until their own normal counterpart appears. Use German snipers - and rightly so! This made it possible to develop the T-5000. The life, and not the life of the soldiers, is important to you. This is a betrayal of them and all my friends that Chechnya and the rest of the Caucasus passed here
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 07: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Sasha, moderate your tone, I highly recommend that you didn’t drink to the Brudershaft, and in one armored personnel carrier they didn’t undermine.

                        Oh, Zhenya, but not so long ago you first went to YOU, but I wasn’t offended at all. And by lobbying, it’s clear that they decide in personal gatherings, only you are here to convince the visitors of the correctness of the decisions on such gatherings.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I am lobbying the lives of soldiers.

                        And for this, it is necessary to set tasks for designers and engineers, to pay a decent salary, it will be the task, and if there is a purchase of foreign samples and our projects are cut, what kind of soldiers’s lives can we talk about, in this case it can only be pocket the benefits of individuals. Regarding BMD4, well, I suppose you are much smarter than Shamanov and know better what the Airborne Forces need at present. Considering how various foreign equipment burns in various conflicts, there is no absolute protection, there are better options, there are inferior, but factories and production are military equipment must be in Russia, right up to the last bolt, because, as NATO will not send us spare parts in case of conflict !!!
                        Quote: Pimply
                        It is a betrayal

                        Loudly, were you in Chechnya yourself?
                      7. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 08: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Oh, Zhenya, but not so long ago you first went to YOU, but I wasn’t offended at all. And by lobbying, it’s clear that they decide in personal gatherings, only you are here to convince the visitors of the correctness of the decisions on such gatherings.

                        Sasha, I get lost in you because I lived in another country for many years in which you are customary to speak. Forgive me this habit. At the same time, condescending Zhenechka is somehow difficult to call unintentional, agree?

                        Sasha, you are convinced of this. When you propose to take as a basis not the quality of the product, but the principle of "ours, not" ours and only it. Let it be an outdated hell knows what. Or a machine that does not meet the requirements of today. The main thing is to have a label "made in Russia."

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And for this, it is necessary to set tasks for designers and engineers, to pay a decent salary, it will be fulfilled, and if foreign projects are purchased and our projects are cut, what kind of soldiers’s lives can be discussed? In this case, it can only be pocket benefit to individuals.


                        Sasha. Those purchases that were made for the Moscow Region in Russia did not lead to the benefit of individuals? Up to 50% of rollbacks on average you do not want, or even more. I made friends in these kitchens. In Russian.
                        Now in the development of one and a half dozen machines that were supposed to appear 7-10 years ago. They will pass the tests and go through the series in 2014-2015. And then - while the series normally accelerates. You suggest all this time to ruin the soldiers, as I understand it?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        As for the BMD4, well, I suppose you are much smarter than Shamanov and know better that at the moment you need the Airborne Forces.

                        I believe that Shamanov is pushing the project of his friends, because the BMD-4M stands like a tank, and it is being developed by the Tula State Unitary Enterprise "KB Instrument Engineering", which has no pie in Kurganets. If he really wanted to increase the combat capability, then seeing that there is a refusal, he would have pushed through the modernization of the existing machines, with the installation of the Bakhcha-U module. Apparently, he knows very well what the Airborne Forces needs, once at certain moments he sends the special forces of the airborne assault on a gangster showdown.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In case of conflict, NATO will not send us spare parts !!!

                        WAKE UP! WAKE UP! What the hell is NATO now? Now, instead of a hypothetical NATO, more than real China is at hand, and no less real war in the Caucasus. Get used to it, finally, that you have not lived in the USSR for many years.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Loudly, were you in Chechnya yourself?

                        I was not in Chechnya, I participated in the hostilities for three years, and several times they blew me up - it was the reservation of the car that saved me.
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 08: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        . Forgive me this habit. At the same time, condescending Zhenechka is somehow difficult to call unintentional, agree?

                        yes I spit, even though YOU are at least YOU, I wrote above I’m not offended, it’s you who stand on end John wink
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Sasha, you are convinced of this. When you propose to take as a basis not the quality of the product, but the principle of "ours, not" ours and only it. Let it be an outdated hell knows what.

                        I never said that, I proposed to develop my own models of technology and that they would be the best.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You suggest all this time to ruin the soldiers, as I understand it?

                        Yes, this is where I was going to beat, I propose to squeeze those who give and take kickbacks, I propose to buy and produce high-quality equipment in Russia, I propose to create jobs in Russia, and not to support hell, who knows. All your attempts to convict me of treason saying nonsense. You most recently welcomed the actions of Serdyukov for all to see the Sait, consider it correct to disband the combat-ready units, so which of us is who?
                        Quote: Pimply

                        I believe that Shamanov is pushing the project of his friends, because the BMD-4M stands like a tank

                        Well, Serdyukov, then you have a HOLY.Of whom and you shouldn’t throw dirt in Shamanov, I would be surprised if you didn’t. And you are already repeating about gang warfare. Shamanov is a much more honored person than YOU or I.
                        Quote: Pimply

                        WAKE UP! WAKE UP! What the hell is NATO now?

                        So NATO turns out to be a friend to us, I didn’t know, well, I’ll write it down. This once again confirms that you are a lobbyist of NATO interests. NATO is the ENEMY of RUSSIA.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        China is at hand, and no less real war in the Caucasus

                        I live in the Far East and I don’t feel the threat of China, Avot from NATO and the USA even stinks and stinks of a warrior. By the way, who sponsors the militants in the Caucasus, who arms Georgia, not NATO for an hour, Who lied to the whole world that Russia attacked Georgia: This was done by your NATO friends.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I haven’t been in Chechnya, participated in the hostilities for three years,
                        In which warrior participated and against whom?
                      9. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 09: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I never said that, I proposed to develop my own models of technology and that they would be the best.

                        Nobody argues with this. However, it happens that there is a momentary need - as with mine-protected machines, but they are not. Amer, and many others, did not hesitate to buy their own, while simultaneously mastering their development. And such an approach dramatically reduced losses.


                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, this is where I was going to beat, I propose to squeeze those who give and take kickbacks, I propose to buy and produce high-quality equipment in Russia, I propose to create jobs in Russia, and not to support hell, who knows. All your attempts to convict me of treason saying nonsense. You most recently welcomed the actions of Serdyukov for all to see the Sait, consider it correct to disband the combat-ready units, so which of us is who?


                        Yeah. Only this is all beautiful in theory. But in practice, they continue to shoot at 80's technologies. Machines arriving at plants like Izhmash are standing. Twitching with mine protected machines - and indeed - began when competitors appeared.
                        There is no this topic - we will quickly copy. It’s a dead end. Part of the technology has to be bought very expensive. In Russia at the moment there is not too much. For example, modern helmet-mounted sights are purchased in France, in Israel and France - matrices for thermal imagers (and along the way they are trying to master their production).

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        So NATO turns out to be a friend to us, I didn’t know, well, I’ll write it down. This once again confirms that you are a lobbyist of NATO interests. NATO is the ENEMY of RUSSIA.


                        There are no friends in politics. You have a mantra settled in - NATO is the enemy. Because the USSR, NATO lost. Everything. This is an insult to the deathbed.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I live in the Far East and I don’t feel the threat of China, Avot from NATO and the USA even stinks and stinks of a warrior. By the way, who sponsors the militants in the Caucasus, who arms Georgia, not NATO for an hour, Who lied to the whole world that Russia attacked Georgia: This was done by your NATO friends.

                        You live, because do not look ahead, but live in the past. And if you lived in the present and the future, you would pay attention to the problems of China, to the internal nationalism of this country, to certain trends, and to the fact that the Chinese consider the Far East to be their territory. And you still stink NATO, which cuts military budgets.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Who lied to the whole world that Russia attacked Georgia. This was done by your NATO friends.

                        De jure - Russia by all laws invaded the territory of a sovereign state. The question is - did this have to be done? It is necessary. The question is, has it invaded foreign territory, pursuing its own personal interests? Yes.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In which warrior participated and against whom?

                        Can also attach an autobiography?
                        Three years in the Middle East, he served in the IDF, several large military operations behind him and several dozen small ones. So arrange? From 1999 to 2002, then annually - reservist service.
                      10. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 09: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Amer, and many others, did not hesitate to buy their own,

                        They buy from allies, and we from a potential adversary, such a difference.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Yeah. Only this is all beautiful in theory.

                        Yes, including thanks to your friends
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Up to 50% of kickbacks on average do not want, or even more. I made friends in these kitchens.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        You have a mantra settled in - NATO is the enemy. Because the USSR, NATO lost. All. This is an insult to the deathbed.

                        we didn’t lose, we were betrayed, and even if we talk about losing, it’s only in a cold warrior. For all the hot warriors WE have been beating and winning all warriors for centuries to your NATO friends !!! So this is YOUR NATO friends resentment for all lost warriors tongue
                        Quote: Pimply

                        You live, because do not look ahead, but live in the past

                        I live in the present and I see everything perfectly, I know better here in the Far East than to you in St. Petersburg! I'm closer to the border with China than you are to Finland. Yes, and we have nationalists who consider California their territory.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        . And you still stink NATO, which cuts military budgets.

                        NATO soiled itself to the very throat, I wonder how they still have not choked in the blood they have shed of murdered women, children and the elderly. You have good friends wink
                        Quote: Pimply

                        De jure - Russia, by all laws, invaded the territory of a sovereign state. The question is - was it necessary to do this?

                        Well, you showed your true NATO face, it means you take care of the lives of our soldiers, well, well. I didn’t forget how the Georgians were killed, which included blackwaters, to remind who trained the Georgian soldiers are your NATO friends !!!
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Can also attach an autobiography?

                        And why should she tell me, the time will come and the FSB will deal with this issue, but for now enjoy the air of freedom.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Three years in the Middle East, served in the IDF,

                        Commendable! Now, as I understand it, you work in the information department of the Mossad and go online from your office from the Israeli Consulate in St. Petersburg, what can I say to you, a "patriot" of Russia? bully
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 21 October 2012 00: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov

                        And why should she tell me, the time will come and the FSB will deal with this issue, but for now enjoy the air of freedom.

                        The farther, the funnier. Do I fall and are afraid?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Commendable! Now, as I understand it, you work in the information department of the Mossad and go online from your office from the Israeli Consulate in St. Petersburg, what can I say to you, a "patriot" of Russia?

                        Yeah. I will immediately inform my curator that they have revealed me.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, you showed your true NATO face, it means you take care of the lives of our soldiers, well, well. I didn’t forget how the Georgians were killed, which included blackwaters, to remind who trained the Georgian soldiers are your NATO friends !!!


                        Read fewer bedtime stories, and turn your head on more often. All the best, do not spray everything here with saliva
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 06: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      did the Germans have had as yet unbeaten aces, excellently trained by the long war in Europe, both in aviation and in tank troops?

                      Here about the German aces, who not long ago wrote very interesting posts, one German ace managed to shoot down 12 IL3s with 2 cartridges, these are the Germans who had "aces"
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 06: 33
                        +1
                        There were those, were those. Definitely, based on your theories with Meta, all of them were stupid dumbasses, not capable of anything. Were they supposed to be trapped in 1941, at most in 1942? So? And all of Europe, and the British with the Americans. They would find a hat - and throw it, right?
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 06: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        they were all dumb dumbasses

                        No, they weren’t like that, they had good fighting experience and all of Europe was crushed. It’s just that you give excerpts of the victories of the Nazis, it doesn’t matter whether it’s personal victories or common victories, but it is so! .
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 07: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        No, they weren’t like that, they had good combat experience and all of Europe’s crushed. Just you give excerpts from the victories of the Nazis

                        AND? They were not there? Met, surfaced by your efforts once again, and wildly illiterate, began to laugh at a specific battle. Heh, like, this has never happened. It happened, unfortunately. As there have been reverse stories. for example, with the KV-1 tank, in which senior lieutenant Zinovy ​​Kolobanov (1-I tank division), in one battle of 20 on August 1941 of the year (the post-war journalism mistakenly mentioned the date of 19 on August) near Gatchina (Krasnogvardeisky) destroyed 22 German tanks and two anti-tank guns. And it was. But we take a specific situation with the operation of the Tigers company, which for three days in 1943 burned 60 of Soviet tanks because Met, once again waving his cap, raised this question, like - it wasn’t. Which degrades the memory of our grandfathers, who fiercely fought with a skilled and evil adversary, who more than once - especially in the middle of the war - acted on machines that were much better than ours.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 07: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Which degrades the memory of our grandfathers, who fiercely fought with a skilled and evil adversary, who more than once - especially in the middle of the war - acted on machines that are much better than ours.

                        There was everything, but in spite of this you again go your own way — their technique was much better. The same 2 was better than German cars. Panther, constant technical problems, skating rinks froze on the Tigers, the turret’s slow turning speed. So the Germans had better equipment.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 08: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        There was everything, but in spite of this you again go your own way — their technique was much better. The same 2 was better than German cars. Panther, constant technical problems, skating rinks froze on the Tigers, the turret’s slow turning speed. So the Germans had better equipment.

                        All machines have Ilov, Tigers, Messers, HF, etc. there were flaws. At certain stages of the war, something was better in the fight against various enemy vehicles, something worse. Learn to understand this, huh? And at a certain stage of the war, the Tigers DARKLY surpassed the majority of the tanks that were in service with the USSR in the sum of their combat qualities. AT A SPECIFIC STAGE
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2012 08: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Learn to understand this, huh?

                        Here I am, just understand this !!! And I’m not saying, unlike you, about the complete superiority of USSR technology, only when I correct you begin to speak
                        Quote: Pimply
                        At certain stages of the war, something was better in the fight against various enemy vehicles, something worse

                        Quote: Pimply
                        At certain stages of the war, something was better in the fight against various enemy vehicles, something worse

                        Yes, and T 34 and tiger cars of different classes.
                      7. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 09: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, and T 34 and tiger cars of different classes.
                        Alexander, I repeat again. It was about a specific situation that Met questioned. I painted a specific example. Then he and you took this conversation to some completely incomprehensible steppe.
                      8. Kshatriy
                        Kshatriy 20 October 2012 10: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, and T 34 and tiger cars of different classes.

                        ....... + Alexander for the skillfully summed up the end of the dispute (I thought you and Yevgeny would pull this chewing gum until the branch was closed ....) The tiger can be compared in the class of "heavy" tanks with the IS-2 (not in favor of tiger) ... Eugene is always in disputes - cringes ...... (....... "but he is a Jew, he can do anything" ..... it was your statement that Zhenya quoted ....) ......
                      9. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 20: 19
                        +1
                        Misha, my statement “I'm a Jew - I can” was when I answered a question with a question.
                        At the moment, there was no comparison of the medium T-34 and the heavy Tiger. Consideration of a specific situation was underway - a company of Tigers destroying the order of 60 Soviet tanks. In another comparison, Met and Sasha dragged this topic.
                      10. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 October 2012 20: 23
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                        Therefore, knowing the strengths and weaknesses, the victory is for those who use tactical techniques to minimize technology flaws. Think about Rotmistrov’s corps which shot tigers from an ambush ... remember the I-16 pilots who at the beginning of the war imposed battle on bends and burned messers ..........
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 20: 50
                        +1
                        Sasha, I absolutely don't argue with that. Correct tactics are the key to success. I repeat once again - a specific situation was considered in which the Met laughed at the fact that "like the Germans could destroy 10 Soviet tanks with 60 tanks." I gave an example that yes - they could. That did not prevent the opposite situations from happening.
                      12. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 October 2012 20: 57
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                        I understand Meta, like me, such cases catch me alive. But unfortunately this incident took place. If I’m not mistaken, Albert Ernst, and his group destroyed 49 tanks, not only T-34, but also KV in the battle for the Volkhov.
                      13. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 22: 01
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                        Not the only case, unfortunately. From the presentation of the Hauptsturmfuhrer Heinrich Kling to the Golden German Cross:

                        "He immediately began to pursue the enemy. Not paying attention to the danger, he led the tank group forward, after which he was able to capture the vicinity of the hill to the west of Prokhorovka. Our tank wedge deepened 60-70 kilometers in the enemy's position. In two days of fighting, his company destroyed fifty T-34s and one KV-1 and one KV-2. Hauptsturmführer Kling himself made a great contribution to this success, knocking out nine enemy tanks. "

                        This is his company for three days of fighting.
                      14. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 11
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                        I don’t remember the name, he also burned a lot of ours near Vitebsk, for which he was called the Vitebsk tiger. But nevertheless, our 34ki crew, under the command of GV.KAPITAN RAKA, was the first to break into Minsk and terrify the Germans for three days before the main forces arrived. a whole group !!!!!!!!!! Book IMMORTAL CREW, the author, unfortunately I do not remember.
                      15. Pimply
                        Pimply 20 October 2012 22: 20
                        +1
                        Not three days - 16 hours they fought the crew of Pavel Nikolaevich Cancer. The only crew of the T-34, fully presented to the Golden Star of the hero
                      16. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 24
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                        Maybe Zhenya, these are childhood memories. If you cut through your father’s sword, you wound salty tears on your mustache, if in a hot fight you knew what, then you read the necessary books in childhood ............ .
                    3. Sandov
                      Sandov 21 October 2012 17: 19
                      0
                      Pimply,
                      I don’t want to agree with you, but I have to. The enemy was strong. Not everyone can capture all of Europe. In general, Hitler was apparently not d-u-r-a-k.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 20 October 2012 01: 58
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      And behind it is forgotten all the garbage and dullness that was. Medicine is thieves, terrible service, shortage, inability to travel somewhere outside the country,
      - I’m afraid you’re fundamentally wrong - this hour of garbage and dullness is several times more, medicine and service - drive money and they will lick you - no money? - go to free clinics - remember the union more than once with a kind word. The opportunity to go - yes, everybody has it -ura- only the cost is not for everyone, but one registration of a passport is worth it.

      Quote: Pimply
      In Russia, they did not learn how to live in the present and future, unfortunately, they still live in the past here.
      - Almost 100 years ago, we forgot about the past and began to live in the present - Once again, forgetting everything somehow comes out sideways.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 October 2012 02: 17
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        - I’m afraid you’re fundamentally wrong - this hour of garbage and dullness is several times more, medicine and service - drive money and they will lick you - no money? - go to free clinics - remember the union more than once with a kind word. The opportunity to go - yes, everybody has it -ura- only the cost is not for everyone, but one registration of a passport is worth it.


        It's funny Do you remember Soviet medicine? She was nominally free. To get a normal medicine or to get to a normal doctor was worth the big dibs and connection. Nothing has changed, only it has become apparent.
        About issuing a passport - it's great. Only you hardly remember the time when, in order to travel to socialist Bulgaria, it was necessary to list the leaders of its revolution and recall several members of the political bureau. The whole topic with a passport, which once in a while is getting faster and faster, is a kindergarten compared to this.
        Do you remember residence registration in hotels? Unlikely. Otherwise, they would remember how they had to pay a bribe then to settle in a room with a non-wife, for example

        Garbage and dullness - this is how they did not change, but remained. Like a good one. About what the office plankton is today they just don’t say - it was he who voluntarily went out to extinguish the fires.


        Quote: lelikas
        - Almost 100 years ago, we forgot about the past and began to live in the present - Once again, forgetting everything somehow comes out sideways.


        Are you sure about that?
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 20 October 2012 05: 38
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          almost 100 years ago we forgot about the past and began to live in the present - Once again, forgetting everything somehow comes out sideways.

          Are you sure about that?

          100% - sure .... The Russian people will never forget the names of the ghouls from SOVNARKOM Lenin's spill. And the genocide of 1918-1924 will not be forgotten ... "give up hope, everyone who enters here" .... somehow so I I'm thinking .....
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 20 October 2012 14: 20
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          It's funny Do you remember Soviet medicine?
          - I remember, especially the dentists. But nevertheless, when I had an acute attack of appendicitis in the 76th year, an ambulance arrived and after half an hour I had an operation - now the ambulance arrives in an hour, or even does not come at all (personal witness). And what previously could be negotiated for a bottle of cognac now has such a price list that it is easier to die.
          But you don’t have to spend foreign women at the hotel for one night, there will be no problems, although it was decided either by a bribe, or two numbers were shot - didn’t you try? The attitude depended very much on the location of the hotel and on the person, although even now little has changed.

          Quote: Pimply
          Are you sure about that?
          -more than. Why, for example, Israel does not cease to remind the whole world of the genocide of the Jewish people - the Holocaust - try there, at home, to convince everyone that not only Jews were dying, that it was just necessary to forget and live in the present ?? I'm afraid to imagine how this will end.
          Actually, the argument is not that everything was good there, but that everything should have changed differently, but this should not be forgotten.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 October 2012 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: lelikas
            - I remember, especially the dentists. But nevertheless, when I had an acute attack of appendicitis in the 76th year, an ambulance arrived and after half an hour I had an operation - now the ambulance arrives in an hour, or even does not come at all (personal witness). And what previously could be negotiated for a bottle of cognac now has such a price list that it is easier to die.

            And I don’t argue with that. Although when she called an ambulance here a couple of times, she came for me for 10-15 minutes (which, according to Western standards, is a bit much, by the way - but there is an extra charge for an ambulance).
            Modern Russian medicine, especially in comparison with Western medicine, is a separate issue.

            Quote: lelikas
            But you don’t have to spend foreign women at the hotel for one night, there will be no problems, although it was decided either by a bribe, or two numbers were shot - didn’t you try? The attitude depended very much on the location of the hotel and on the person, although even now little has changed.

            I tried it. That's what I mean, right? And the fact that the Soviet approach, from the worst side, still remains in the heap of regions - no one argues.
            Quote: lelikas
            -more than. Why, for example, Israel does not cease to remind the whole world of the genocide of the Jewish people - the Holocaust - try there, at home, to convince everyone that not only Jews were dying, that you just need to forget and live in the present ??

            Israel remembers HIS past. But he lives in the present and the future, and not just them. Nothing prevents other nations from remembering their tragedies. Ours was just too painful. A third of the people under the knife is a separate issue, which we will not touch. This is a separate memory and a separate conversation.


            Quote: lelikas
            Actually, the argument is not that everything was good there, but that everything should have changed differently, but this should not be forgotten.


            Likely. But at that moment the colossus collapsed under its own weight - it happens.
        3. mark021105
          mark021105 21 October 2012 20: 08
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          Quote: Pimply
          Do you remember Soviet medicine? She was nominally free.


          You're not right. Medicine was indeed free. All this paid crap began to appear in our country after 1985, when, with perestroika and new thinking on the wave of cooperation, paid medical centers were opened, and then in ordinary hospitals, they slowly began to think, "why are we worse?"
          And then there are state medicines, we don’t need to buy anything ourselves, there were enterprising ...
          So I personally, until 1985-86 I don’t remember paid medicine absolutely.
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 21 October 2012 20: 51
            0
            Only dentistry was paid if desired ...
  34. valerei
    valerei 19 October 2012 20: 51
    +1
    Author!!! He himself understood what he wrote about?
  35. s1н7т
    s1н7т 19 October 2012 21: 43
    +1
    The author stupidly pushes the idea - each for himself. As I read before, then it became uninteresting. The article and the author are a fat minus! They all try to divide us first, then scatter, then dispel ... Fuck you, do not wait!
    And the USSR, for the author’s information, was not the country that allegedly solved my problems for me, it was just my country! Does the author deny nostalgia for his homeland? Pi.pec, writer! Ff firebox!
  36. gardener
    gardener 19 October 2012 22: 16
    -1
    Well, of course it was! Young, healthy, strong - and nothing at all, no matter where they send it, it happened. And virgins (and among them - real divas!) - to choose from. The charm!
    If it weren’t for the Gosplan — the organizer of an inescapable deficit, but not for the party, as its inspirer, not for political workers and other guards around, well, etc.

    See www.76letocheredi.blogspot.com

    At the bottom of the blog are real documents, as a reflection of the then life of the Soviet commoner, his struggle for existence.
    Feel, if you can penetrate the everyday life of those years of the still not ripened communism-socialism.
    And don’t go there again. There guys are sad and dirty
  37. valerakuz
    valerakuz 19 October 2012 22: 32
    +3
    I would be back in 70 years.
  38. snek
    snek 19 October 2012 23: 05
    +2
    Grandfather, when did you live better than life: now or under Stalin?
    Of course under Stalin - then I had x * th!

    You can endlessly recall how good it was, or you can try to make today's day a little better.
  39. uizik
    uizik 19 October 2012 23: 39
    +7
    I was proud of my Country and for all its shortcomings I was ready to give my life for it. And now ?! I live in some kind of stub from the Great Country and "rejoice" at how they robbed me, and in return gave "great opportunities" to earn myself the benefits of "free" from the whole society. Now I have to say "thank you" to the thief who robbed me for giving work, and so on.
  40. tracer
    tracer 20 October 2012 07: 15
    +5
    It is strange to write an article with the words of others and opinions .. I lived in the USSR for 20 years .... And I’ll say that there was another country .... and we were different. In the 8th grade, he made two rockets, the first half meter was, and the second one was already 2 meters. The right-wingers near the river were not very successful ...)))) At home he poured out of paper, and fiberglass, tormented the engine charge. Nozzles in a labor lesson on a lathe cut out. The classmates sharpened the hammer with a file, the angry class’s pointer (she broke the Akurat two times a week, so they began to do half a finger ... stopped lomats) .. Ineta wasn’t ... I didn’t get out of the library ... But .... probably therefore received, that in the current war is difficult to obtain .... Strength, perseverance and thirst for knowledge. We were taught to be like that. And the chefs of our school, the Aviation squad of the City, at the end of each year, they sent us a whole school almost to Tushka in the Urals and the Komi Republic .... Now everything is different, and now we are different. For me, that life as my child’s little coat, yours, evokes so many memories .... But with sadness we catch that you will never wear it again.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 20 October 2012 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: tracer
      In 8th grade I made two rockets

      Are we colleagues ?! laughing
      "The theory of the jet nozzle" - the first smart book in my life (after Pinocchio, of course)))! laughing
      And the rockets ended up flying! Although, of course, different things happened laughing
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 20 October 2012 22: 18
      0
      soldier drinks + + + + + + + + + + + + +
  41. Stary oper
    Stary oper 20 October 2012 13: 39
    +1
    What is often observed here is just an attempt to use nostalgia for their own purposes. The article, in my opinion, is absolutely correct in both form and content.
  42. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 20 October 2012 13: 51
    +8
    Sometimes there is a desire to simply return to the USSR and the Brezhnev era ... !!! I just want, without explaining the reasons ... Maybe I'm getting old and I want stability ... I just want to live without a cell phone, the Internet, moronic TV programs and Western democracy .... I understand with understanding that there will simply be no return to the past, but half life lived up to the betrayal of Gorbachev, constantly reminds himself .... And the further I exist in reality, the more insistent I am drawn to the past ..... I want to go to the USSR !!! crying
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 20 October 2012 22: 51
      +3
      When - I want it myself, this is old age, probably, dear! laughing
      But I now want my child to live in a country in which free buses go in the evenings in winter and pick up everyone walking down the street, in which a "traffic cop", after violating traffic rules, listens to the cause of the violation, assesses and ... agrees!).
      Once he was returning from the North Caucasus after an unsuccessful admission to the Higher Educational Institution of Higher Education, on his hands "travel cards". There was a queue at the ticket office, but it turned out that the "travel cards" were not going to the train I needed - the schedule has changed, other trains run. The line behind me was worried - and how are you now? I do not know. The queue asked the cashier - how much is needed? On the reserved seat - one thing, in the compartment - another. The queue decided - hell, there are a lot of us here, can we send them in a reserved seat ?! "Sent" to the compartment))) For the remaining 18 kopecks. I was buying food on the way))) I'm not talking about "freebies" (no, no! I don't remember "freebies" in the Union), I'm talking about a country in which a person is a friend to a person. When he told his daughter, he looks like a storyteller - nothing you lived! "We lived ..." It's sad.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 20 October 2012 23: 03
        +3
        All this was, I will subscribe to every word. The driver himself was late for the plane to the airport in Omsk, Ikarus, an accordion, and I didn’t take a dime on the bus. And I remember when Rust sat on Red Square, I was flying around the city in uniform, a veteran was coming , there are more medal planks than Brezhnev’s, and he says: Well, what are you, son .............., I choked on my words, and then I realized that we didn’t live again like we lived.
  43. Captain45
    Captain45 20 October 2012 22: 42
    +2
    Quote: Gorchakov
    .. I want to go to the USSR !!! crying

    Yes, I want in the USSR that, as part of a school, a technical school, once again pass by the tribune from which the city leadership said: "Long live Soviet schoolchildren! Long live Soviet students!" Yes, I want at a time when the organization in which my dad in 6 years built 8 70 apartment buildings for his employees and each employee of the organization within 2-3 years received an apartment for free for which he paid 5 rubles a month and had his own kindergarten, for the children of the employees of the organization it was not necessary to stand in queues, and then humiliated in the education department in order to place the child in a kindergarten. And by the way, after the demonstrations, they entered the column to dad, got on the bus and there were boxes of sweets, cookies, lemonade for the children of workers from the trade union committee, there was a drink and a snack and the boss organization did not hesitate to sit down and have a drink with the workers in honor of the holiday. And where have you seen this now?
  44. Magadan
    Magadan 21 October 2012 04: 50
    +1
    When I talk about the USSR, young people listen and do not believe. About how we, the Magadans, dumped money right at the airport to buy a ticket to a fellow countryman who managed to squander everything on vacation in the summer :) And then this fellow countryman ran for everyone for 2-3 months to pay off his debt. About how we did not lock the doors for the New Year and anyone went to visit anyone. About how we guys at the age of 15-16 worked as loaders in a store and we were paid about 200 rubles a month for this! A ticket Magadan-Moscow cost 160 rubles. About how Metallica came to the Rock on the Barricades in 1991 and a bunch of Magadan teenagers, collecting all her pocket money flew to Moscow .... About how we bought beer drawers, about insanely delicious ice cream ... About the fact that there were no rich and poor, no one showed off clothes in front of anyone at school, because there was a uniform school uniform. About the kindness, warmth and moral purity of people ... of course, there was certainly debauchery, etc., but we, children, have not seen these nasty things. I had my first woman at the age of 19 and she later became my wife. And our girls-classmates began to "acquire" guys already in institutes. I’m telling all this, they don’t believe me, but then their parents tell these guys the same thing. Many of our young people are ready to build Soviet society again, so hang on, you freaks-shit. You don't have much time left. And you die, so your children will answer
    1. Stary oper
      Stary oper 21 October 2012 15: 26
      +1
      So spoil the whole impression with one last sentence ... What is so much bitterness?
  45. pinachet
    pinachet 21 October 2012 16: 45
    +2
    and how not to nostalgia ... as a child in the hospital the doctors did not extort a bribe, and now the child was lying on the table, and the surgeon and the anostasiologist asked 10 thousand.
    dad was an engineer, mom worked at the factory .. lived in a communal apartment, I was born, gave a kopeck piece. ..now working at the plant for 20 years of bondage to the bank through a mortgage.
    strangely enough, they didn’t starve in the USSR, for some reason I didn’t grow dystrophic. I was gaining weight properly .... I was eating meat and sausage .. yes there was no kiwi, but because of it the country wasn’t ruining.
    Yes, there was no car, but by public transport I reached where I needed no traffic jams and for a penny.
    about safety on the street I’m not talking.
    a good socially oriented country ruined because of Vidic jeans and sneakers?
    but you must agree, you could go another way ...
    1. Viklis
      Viklis 21 October 2012 17: 52
      -1
      Quote: c1n7
      I'm talking about a country in which man is friend to man. When he told his daughters, he looks like a storyteller

      Quote: Magadan
      hang on, shit-freaks. Not long for you. And you die, so your children will answer

      Quote: pinachet
      a good socially oriented country ruined because of Vidic jeans and sneakers?

      I will not recall my childhood, youth, youth now - since this is repeating what has already been said before me, exactly the same, because we lived at the same time and in the same country. And with the meaning of the article, everything is understood and accepted. Questions arise when you read comments. The question is: who prevents us, ordinary citizens, from treating on the basis of a person to a person - a friend, or at least a person ... In the articles and discussions on the site, sometimes you see such "friendship" that God forbid, you find yourself in the hands of someone who is discussing firearms , that and ... I'm not talking about rudeness, rudeness and insults are often met ... And where do those who are at the helm of states? It is we who are "talking", and not they are directing us .. Someone already in their rage comes to statements that children should be responsible for the guilt of their fathers - this is generally "the height of humanism" ... So it seems that the guilty will be dealt with or not will have time, but the children will surely answer ... Regarding the fact that the country was destroyed because of jeans, video cameras and sneakers, the question arises, so why did we buy videotapes, put on sneakers and jeans (although then we lived not richly and not it was so easy) - and now it is no longer a sign of prosperity ... I mean that we all were and are participants in the historical period in which we lived and live ... We go to the polls, we work ... easier from what we will only do, what to say about how great it was, but we were "thrown", arguing until hoarse, sometimes swearing ... We seem to be looking through glass ... And the children tell us how at the top in the quote it is written that we are like storytellers for them ... Sometimes in our memories we forget that we had our own fairy tale, and our youth , our children, born 20 years ago, live in a different world, in their own fairy tale. I wonder what they will say about their youth in 30-40 years?
  46. Islam
    Islam 16 November 2012 19: 56
    0
    If the people have such nostalgia, why not revive the USSR and live in a superpower in which everyone was kinder and everything was better (except for queues for sausage, but in my opinion only idiots can call this a serious flaw)
    Personally, I am completely for