Conscious slowdown or lack of strength: why the front froze in Ukraine

Source: maykop-news.ru

Unique conditions

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation? First of all, quick and, preferably, dashing victories. The movement of the front to the west is considered the main measure of the success of military operations. Losses of personnel, equipment and civilians do not play a special role in the minds of such "conquerors". As well as the potential to control the liberated territory. At the same time, the prevailing conditions on the Ukrainian front clearly play in favor of alarmists and outright traitors. The obvious slowdown in the pace of the offensive is seen as a chronic lack of forces, which, in turn, has developed due to excessive losses or total refusals of personnel to go into battle. Among the common people, the inflamed consciousness of foreign propagandists and domestic traitors draws an excess of "200s, 300s and 500s".

The situation on the fronts of Ukraine is indeed far from perfect, and even more so cannot be considered simple. Let's try to reduce the multifactorial and constantly changing model of a special operation to a few basic concepts.

First of all, the Russian army receives more dividends from the prolongation of hostilities than the Ukrainian one. Of course, the situation is not ideal, and it would be much happier now to watch our army in Kyiv on Khreshchatyk than in the fierce battles for Avdiivka. But such is the existing status quo, and nothing can be done about it. In principle, it is possible by throwing tens and hundreds of thousands of soldiers into battle, regardless of losses. But, as the realities of the special operation showed, the lives of Russian servicemen have never been more valued than in Ukraine and, possibly, in Syria.

The habit of taking fortified areas, towns and cities for beautiful dates and symbolic events, fortunately, has passed. Nationalists habitually disperse history horror stories that Russia will symbolically smear the administrative center of Kyiv with missile strikes on the “independence day” of Ukraine. As you can see, it didn't happen. As there was no massive offensive on August 24, six months after the start of the special operation. This is because the army learns from its own and other people's mistakes, and the strategy of the frozen front, coupled with the slow advance in certain areas, is now the most justified.

The Russian military is now in a unique situation - no one is demanding assaults "by all means", regardless of losses. There is no time limit, and this allows you to actively maneuver, destroying the enemy with minimal damage to your own forces. Everyone remembers the characteristic reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? “The enemy withdrew after an unsuccessful offensive” - such wording hides a massive artillery raid and retreat to previously prepared positions. Doubly effective - and the enemy received several tens of tons of shells, and return fire did not bring results.

Economy and people

The economic situation in the country exceeds all expectations of domestic and foreign experts. And this is not empty pathos - most analysts predicted the death of the Russian economy just in time for the fall and massive hunger riots of the population. Allegedly, the delayed effect of the sanctions will focus just at this time. There were serious suggestions that by September the machine operators would have harvesters in their fields due to the lack of spare parts, and the bread would simply rot. Of course, one cannot speak about the full health of the Russian economic sector - after all, the heaviest international sanctions in history cannot pass by without consequences. But the restrictions not only failed to break the economy, but they allowed Russia to engage in unscheduled repairs of gas pipelines leading to Europe.

Everyone, of course, understands what we are talking about and what it leads to - 1000 cubic meters of natural gas already costs more than $3500. The West failed not only to ban Russian hydrocarbons on world markets, but even to freeze maritime transport. Indeed, there is no such crime that capital will not commit for the sake of 300% profit, and the interested forces abroad are actively committing these crimes. Powerful rears allow the Russian army to avoid unnecessary forcing of hostilities. It is the military industry and the economy that are the main guarantors of victory. God is always on the side of the best equipped battalions.

Now a little operational-tactical forecasting. If we imagine a hypothetical situation that at the end of August 2022, the allied forces advanced to the Kharkiv-Dnepropetrovsk-Krivoy Rog-Nikolaev line. As the most ardent patriots dream. What will we get in this case? Will the shelling of the rear of the Russian army stop? Absolutely not - the front has only moved to the west, and for the notorious HIMARS targets there will only be more. Instead of Donetsk, which will be out of reach, they will hit on "collaborators" in Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.

The forces of the nationalists will be bled white and further resistance will be weaker? Also absolutely not - there are almost a million people in the ranks, and several Stalingrad battles are needed to grind such a mass of Bandera. You will have to put up with the unnecessary losses of the allied troops, as well as detach a large part of the remaining ones to control the increased liberated territory. Therefore, here either to reach the Polish border in a dash, or to wait on a stable front for the inevitable capitulation of the Bandera regime.

And there are two unpleasant paradoxes here. First, the Ukrainian regime is gradually drawn into total dependence on Western support. The further, the stronger. Most of weapons Soviet-style and origin is simply knocked out, their own arsenals are exhausted and not fully replaced by NATO weapons. What will happen when the West finally gets tired of the games of the militarists and simply spit on Ukraine? The question is rhetorical, but now the Bandera people are ready to spend several of their defense budgets in a couple of months.

The West will not pay for this entire bloody banquet indefinitely. If now the NATO countries provide, as they declare, "exactly as much as Ukraine needs for defense." No more, no less. Well, it remains only to wait until there will be less. The second paradox is that the longer the special operation continues, the more the population of Ukraine gets tired of it. See how much Zelensky has to harden his rhetoric in order not to cool the ardor of the nationalists. It comes to crazy speeches about the "return of the Crimea." When the trumps in the sleeves run out, what will the President of Ukraine cover with?

And, of course, the hotheads, who demand an immediate offensive along the entire front, forget about the civilian population of Ukraine, which by no means can be ranked among our enemies. If now several towns and villages are burned in the hellish flames of the attack, can we hope for the loyalty of the survivors? Not for sympathy, but at least for loyalty?

Winter is ahead, and millions of citizens in the frontline zone will have a difficult choice - either to stay in their homes and wait for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the entire infrastructure (heating and water supply), or become a human shield for Bandera, or seek salvation in the west or east. No matter how cynical it sounds, but it is the coming cold snap that should clear the springboard for the Russian offensive. When the nationalists lose the ability to defend themselves by civilians, and there is no need to carefully choose targets so as not to hurt civilians, the situation at the front will change. In the meantime, we have to be guided by the comments of Sergei Shoigu:

“During the special operation, we strictly observe the norms of humanitarian law. The strikes are carried out with high-precision weapons at the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - command posts, airfields, warehouses, fortified areas, military-industrial complex facilities. At the same time, everything is done to avoid casualties among civilians. Of course, this slows down the pace of the offensive, but we are doing it consciously.

At the same time, finding only positive aspects in a frozen offensive is a completely thankless task. A stable front allows the enemy a lot. For example, create conditions for impact drones in the Crimea and other objects in the depths of the front. With an intensive offensive by the allied forces, the Bandera simply would not have had time for this - all the reserves would go to plugging the gaps in the defense. A stable front is not conducive to reducing the loss of personnel and equipment. But these losses cannot be compared with those that will happen during the transition of the allied forces to a large-scale offensive. Recall that the ratio of the number of personnel on the front is 1 to 3 in favor of Ukraine. And until this majority at the front realized the inevitability of their own defeat, until they blindly believe in the demons of the Kyiv regime, it is not worth wasting the lives of our soldiers and officers on them. Especially when it is associated with the death of our brotherly Ukrainian people.

Comments

[Nexcom]

There are loyal Ukrainians, but there are also enough Proto-Shumers. but about the brotherly people ....
IMHO, the Serbs in the general mass and even consider themselves a fraternal people when compared with the Ukrainians. as well as LDNRovtsy.

[Frost]

There is also the brotherly Syrian people. Defense Minister Shoigu said in March that "16 trained volunteers from the Middle East want to voluntarily take part in the Special Military Operation." The special operation in Ukraine rallied the Syrian society. Both veterans of the government army and fighters of the Christian militia, as well as former opposition fighters, are ready to volunteer to help Russia and the people of Donbass under the same flag.

[Nexcom]

something not to see these Syrian volunteers at the front. for them Kadyrovtsy take the rap.

[Frost]

Quote: Nexcom

something not to be seen

They were very eager to the front, apparently something went wrong.

[Civil]

Where to hurry? Sanctions have been introduced, even in the event of a quick victory they will not be lifted. There are two alternatives to slow progress in NWO:
1. The use of tactical nuclear weapons. It will lead to radioactive contamination of the European part of Russia. Vast areas of hostilities will become uninhabitable.
2. General mobilization. In a difficult demographic situation, the mobilization of hundreds of thousands of able-bodied men will lead to a crisis in the economy, which is already under the pressure of sanctions.
And the collapse of the economy will lead to a social explosion.

[Konnick]

general mobilization. In a difficult demographic situation, the mobilization of hundreds of thousands of able-bodied men will lead to a crisis in the economy, which is already under the pressure of sanctions.

What nonsense is this general mobilization. If it were that simple, then thousands of fighters would be rounded up near Avdiivka and they would take it. BUT there will be no sense from this "capture-liberation", firstly, there will be large losses of conscripted cannon fodder, and secondly, the airmen will fire at Avdiivka itself with our troops until we ourselves leave from there. Properly built artillery defense, covered by air defense, is the so-called "long arm tactic". And our generals, who have received knowledge at the Academy of the General Staff, simply do not know how to deal with it. They spare aviation "just in case". And only aviation can cope with an artillery barrier, and not a million conscripted soldiers with automatic weapons. We can’t even interfere with the supply of advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and what can we say about long-range Nimers, this is work for attack aircraft that disrupts communications. In general, there was a strange beginning of the NMD, instead of bringing down communications throughout Ukraine, they began to hit airfields, as if the Ukrainian Air Force could cause some damage to our troops with the cover of modern air defense systems. If nothing changes in the tactics of counter-battery combat, then Donetsk will celebrate the new year under the cannonade of artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not from fireworks, and no total mobilization will help, the war of the 21st century is not Borodino.

[Gardamir]

the war of the 21st century is not Borodino.

and the current marshals are not Kutuzov.

[Konnick]

and the current marshals are not Kutuzov

You will truly believe Freud ... you will look at the faces of the marshals of the Great Patriotic War and those of today .... not individuals.

[alexey sidykin]

Kutuzov in 1812 was a supporter of prolonging the war ...

[Bronik]

Kutuzov said: "To save Russia, you need to burn Moscow."

[alexey sidykin]

Kutuzov did not say such things, his words are: "Moscow is not Russia yet" and "It is better to lose Moscow than the army and Russia."

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

Kutuzov did not say such things, his words are: "Moscow is not Russia yet" and "It is better to lose Moscow than the army and Russia."

the capital is the center of culture.
destroying the city, you destroy the culture.

[alexey sidykin]

What culture do you mean? Culture culture is different. Moreover, the capital was St. Petersburg and not Moscow ...

[ISKANDER_61]

That's just the same as Kutuzov, you don't know what to expect from them.

[alexey sidykin]

From whom and what are you talking about?

[Blue fox]

BUT there will be no sense from this "capture-liberation", firstly, there will be large losses of conscripted cannon fodder, and secondly, the airmen will fire at Avdiivka itself with our troops until we ourselves leave from there. Properly built artillery defense, covered by air defense, is the so-called "long arm tactic".

I absolutely agree with this, colleague. But further...

And our generals, who have received knowledge at the Academy of the General Staff, simply do not know how to deal with it. They spare aviation "just in case". And only aviation can cope with an artillery barrier

Without going into details, let's omit the topic of command competence. Let's just say that there is a 50/50 ratio there, the front is large. However, in general, the concept is quite correct. "Take the burden on your own so as not to fall when walking (c) Aviation works tightly, moreover, in conditions of strong opposition from enemy air defense. For the sake of objectivity, in our entire Air Force, in my humble opinion of an observer, there will not be enough electronic reconnaissance and countermeasure aircraft, in order to break through at least one of the strategic directions by covering the actions of the enemy air defense destruction groups and the strike groups themselves, and this is with the loss of vehicles and pilots that we simply cannot afford now.

"just in case"

real as ever.

We cannot even interfere with the supply of advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Even as we interfere, our artillery and missile troops in the areas where offensive operations are carried out paralyze the enemy’s logistics almost completely. But then again, the front is big. Somewhere in the defense, the "Germans" across the river almost play the accordion, but then for the time being. And instead of "Grads" at the crossroads, they routinely catch supply trucks with ATGMs. However, intelligence is working and revealing the defense system.

In general, there was a strange beginning of the NMD, instead of bringing down communications throughout Ukraine, they began to hit airfields, as if the Ukrainian Air Force could cause some damage to our troops with the cover of modern air defense systems.

Even as they could and applied, all the columns of equipment, especially the rear ones moving along secondary roads, were simply impossible to cover from the air.

If nothing changes in the tactics of counter-battery combat

Not this way. If nothing changes in the general approach at all. It's getting done, but it takes time. Just take another look at the length of the front line, the limited contingent, which also needs to be rotated stupidly in order to give them a chance to wash and sleep off, difficulties with logistics (let's not forget the grouping beyond the Dnieper, etc.). Losses.
PS Greetings, old colleague!

[Konnick]

Rarely, hello

[Blue fox]

I go often, I write rarely. Especially with regard to the situation THERE. But it's not just me, but almost everyone who was there does it.

[Konnick]

Especially with regard to the situation THERE

Heard...

[Alekseev]

Only aviation can cope with an artillery barrier, and not a million soldiers with automatic weapons ... The war of the 21st century is not Borodino."
That's for sure! But.....
True in form, but in essence "voluntarism"
The army must also have a sufficient number of "soldiers with automatic weapons" and everything else: a sufficient amount of artillery, tanks, aircraft, OTRK, electronic warfare equipment, support units, etc. etc.
It's like a single organism: having strong hands but a weak heart or a withering leg, it is impossible to overcome a more or less strong opponent.
So mobilize, i.e. in Russian to say, you need to strain everything. And the military-industrial complex, and, of course, human resources. How is it another matter?
Probably calling everyone in a row is not the right way. After all, we need trained soldiers, and not purely civilian people dressed in uniform, driven into positions, and at least 600-700 thousand troops in the east and south of dill should count.
It is possible that in addition to the wide involvement in contract service within the country, it is necessary to use the help of "Chinese (Korean, Syrian, from the republics of the former USSR) people's volunteers." After all, we oppose the West and mercenaries, and, for sure, advisers and specialists on the other side are fighting fairly.

[Alexey Lantukh]

If indeed there are fortified areas near Donetsk, then why the hell are we breaking into them. Other fortifications are probably thinner. They always tried to get around in all wars, but for some reason not now. Weird tactic.

[single-n]

Tried. All spring.

[Taimen]

We don’t need “dashing victories”. We need a modern army, shod and dressed, the latest equipment and moving forward, preferably without losses. they will take into account mistakes, and not hide them for good "reporting", they will really engage in intelligence and space, analyze and collect analytical data, stop "saving" on the army and navy, transfer the entire fifth column regardless of faces, stop looking back at "dear partners" " etc.

[zenion]

Civilian (Vadim). Here write, what else can be ruined?

[Jackson]

Well, you can say a lot of things ... The Syrians have their firebrands through the roof, the war in Syria is not over.

[alekc73]

This is propaganda. No one will help us. China is waggling its back. Kazakhstan is selling weapons through third countries. If everything goes badly, Lukashenka will also pout.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Hoarfrost

There is also the brotherly Syrian people.

Arabs. That says it all.

[Sergey Kuzmin]

it was enough to read this at the very beginning of the article

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation?

to understand that the article is NOTHING. But this

the ratio of the number of personnel on the front is 1 to 3 in favor of Ukraine. And while this majority at the front did not realize the inevitability of their own defeat, while they blindly believe in the demons of the Kyiv regime

generally some nonsense. The normal patriotic public keeps saying - GROW UP and equip with the latest technology the RUSSIAN GROUP operating in the NVO in order to destroy the Ukronazi anti-Russian armed forces, and the author proposes to continue to wait, like the last decade, until these Ukronazis, armed to the teeth, begin to love Russians and Russia. ... But with such "fighters of the information front" as this author, we will definitely never wait for the armed Ukronazis to suddenly understand themselves how bad it is to shoot Russians ...

[alexey sidykin]

Yeah ... that's just everyone offering to increase the grouping, mobilize and quickly, rather defeat the dill ... something they themselves are not eager to fight.

[brave]

And if you think better, have you tried it? Everything about you is superficial somehow, it turns out too simply. And what if this is exactly what Western partners expect from us?

[max702]

The main mistakes of the article "And, of course, hotheads, demanding an immediate offensive along the entire front, forget about the civilian population of Ukraine, which by no means can be ranked among our enemies. If now several cities and villages are burned in the hellish flame of an attack, can we hope for the loyalty of the survivors? Not for sympathy, but at least for loyalty?"
and more "Especially when it is associated with the death of our brotherly Ukrainian people."
Remember ra and forever Ukraine is ANTIRUSSIA!!! And that's it! There are NO other goals and meanings of this education! as well as the presence of Ukrainians.. If you are a Ukrainian, then you are not Russian, and your goal is to make sure that there are no Russians! Everything will be very simple for Ukraine and there will be no one for Ukrainians to threaten Russia and Russians ..
We do not need to be loved and all that, it is enough to FEAR us!!

[igorka357]

About them, they are definitely not enemies to us, I just laughed. And with whom are our guys now fighting interestingly? 80% stubborn in Ukraine, the rest is Donbass. I have an old good friend, her son is studying in St. Petersburg, but he hates Putin and Russia .. I had to say goodbye to her, stoned in my head. The article is nonsense.

[Commissar of the NKVD]

The stoned ones at the moment change their shoes for a can of stew. The mentality is

[Jackson]

Yeah, only they are *changed shoes* until the stew is over, and then you can continue to ride.

[military_cat]

Quote: Commissioner of the NKVD

The stoned ones at the moment change their shoes for a can of stew. The mentality is

They tried to pull off this scheme with the Balts, do you remember how it all ended? This is despite the fact that the USSR had a meatier stew compared to the current one. And the current one in the coming years will only grow leaner.

[alexey sidykin]

Everything would have worked out there if it weren’t for the “kindness” of Mikitka the corn maker, who rehabilitated the Ukrainian and Baltic Nazis.

[military_cat]

In other words, the stew itself does not work.

[alexey sidykin]

Just a stew with rotten turned out to be re-infected.

[AUL]

Quote: igorka357

The article is nonsense.

Very unconvincing, helpless article!

[Adrey]

Quote from AUL

Very unconvincing, helpless article!

The author contradicts himself through a paragraph, and even more often common sense

[mitrich]

I agree with you, the article is complete propaganda nonsense. the author, like the provincial broadcasters of officialdom on zombie TV, is ready to justify any actions of the authorities. Even if today they are one, and tomorrow they are diametrically opposed.
And write down all the rest, traitors and the fifth column.

[Popenko]

(Not) The correctness of the actions of our command can be fully assessed only in 10-15 years, not earlier. And now there is only one thing left - full and unconditional support for our army.

[papakarrlo]

Partly agree. In part, because in 50 years, this is the term for removing the signature stamp for the public. And it is necessary to support the NWO, to talk about its causes, tasks and goals right now, because right now we are laying the foundation for the consciousness of our children and grandchildren, and they are the future of the country and its potential. And, if, suddenly, sometime, our grandchildren-great-grandchildren will say, as in the Baltic states, "our grandfathers are not our grandfathers" .... Then we lived our lives in vain ...

[Kim]

I'll support :)
finally, they "take the height" not by May Day - regardless of the losses - but when the artillery "takes out" all the invaders to zero
and yes, a good reason to show Europe who it is better to be friends with, and not sanction

[antivirus]

The author is right about everything. Once again.
To foresee the thoughts of the authorities is always ignominious. "Political Scientist on Politics"
"Vchara again, on behalf of the people in the country, the price of sausage has risen ..."
Some Kyiv group sang 35 years ago. It is for such people of Kiev that orchestra musicians and other vankas work with the Saids.
Do not defeat the West, do not piss them off.

[odometer]

Well, well ... First, the Americans, in an article dated August 27.08, raised the topic that a protracted war is beneficial to the Russian Federation, now this is ... Coincidence? Your exit is a jerk

[tatra]

So the "cheers-patriots" "changed their shoes" and began to "explain"

why in Ukraine the front stopped

[saigon]

Who changed their shoes and who does not, people are trying to figure out why such a pace.
And what about patriotism or not patriotism?
As an infantryman, I am glad that the artillery strikes and they do not spare shells.
And I hope for a non-suppressed defense, no one is rushing. And that filthy business under a machine gun and dashes, but forward.
Of course, such a pace is being strained, however, with such troop densities (forget about the charter to hell) it will not work out quickly.

[aglet]

"As an infantryman, I'm glad that artillery strikes and they don't spare shells"
if they hit the target, they wouldn’t have a price

[igorka357]

I like such photos, and the comments of those who "sniffed" them .. Have you ever been under artillery fire? And I just got hit by a mortar, 23 years ago, but I remember it like yesterday, and remembering my feelings at that moment becomes not very pleasant. Despite the fact that I was not a kid .. And yes, figuratively speaking, the area of ​​\u100b\uXNUMXbdamage in your photo is XNUMX%, the fragments and the explosive wave did everything. You all look to the west, at their super-duper-hyper high-super-precision (as before on stealth), but that's the purpose of artillery in the mass and weight of the volley.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Such pictures, when the fields are sown in spots from inaccurate artillery strikes, I periodically see on TV. As a former rocket and artillery topographer familiar with artillery firing, the following thoughts come to mind:
1. A projectile rarely hits one funnel. Such is the artillery: the shells themselves are not ideal in weight and geometry, the powder charges are also not ideal, the wind also affects, for sure the barrel wear is already decent and the projectile accelerates and dangles in the barrel, like a din in a barrel.
2, Gunners, topographers are also not always accurate enough and work with loose instruments.
3. Artillery scouts give coordinates with errors. Calculators also add their own errors.
4. The gunners themselves can also put the gun not very hard and even.
So the fields are plowed in vain, although this is indispensable, but not on such a scale. Artillery, in addition to speed, requires the "thoroughness" of all specialists, which is quite difficult to provide.

[single-n]

Still understand what they shoot. The city has KVO EMNP 300x150m. Maybe this is why there are so many craters all over the field?

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Thank you, Eugene, for an interesting analysis!

—- Any truth is selected facts multiplied by beliefs. Yours, Eugene, too.

---Your presentation is similar in places, with all due respect, to "The Fox and the Grapes". There is an information war going on, and its fog allows many answers to the question "why so?" I am inclined to believe that there are reasons for this of a military and economic nature - these are not only humanitarian and political considerations: the forces involved in the NWO, their condition ... are insufficient for other results at the moment.

—- This is the first real war of modern Russia, capitalist. Russia is learning a lot for the first time.

—-I hope that by mid-October, the place, means, and methods for winning the initiative and indisputable results will be determined.

[parusnik]

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation? First of all, quick and, preferably, dashing victories.

That's right, give it .. Because they convinced that "wine is sour! Rotten cucumbers! Stinky cabbage!" They made an advertisement, so now give it .. Apparently, such a habit .. From the beginning, paint under Khokhloma, and then explain why painting under Gzhel is better.

[Egoza]

Quote: parusnik

Because they convinced that "the wine is sour! The cucumbers are rotten! The cabbage is smelly!"

This assessment was based on the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. That's when it was necessary "in one fell swoop", and not to start Minsky.

[parusnik]

And it went on for 8 years, all the chuckles and chuckles and there was some kind of confidence, they, there, that the "partners" would applaud the NWO, standing, but it turned out that these were not "partners", but not friendly states. Moreover, we For 30 years they have been convincing that only "partners" and "partners" will help us all around .. But it turned out: "Well, son, did your" partners "help you?" (c)

[Alexey Lantukh]

Personally, I got the impression that for 8 years Russia has been trying to shove it into Ukraine on certain conditions, believing that Ukraine is prudent and prudent enough, values ​​​​independence, does not want a clash with Russia, and has not yet completely sold out to the West. But Russia was wrong. Ukraine is still

[Adrey]

Quote: Egoza

This assessment was based on the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. That's when it was necessary "in one fell swoop", and not to start Minsky.

Six months ago, for such an opinion, I grabbed a bunch of minuses from your colleagues under the slogan - "we were not ready"

[Mikhail Maslov]

For such an opinion, I left this site in 2014. Because no one wanted to believe and even listen to what would happen next. Today there are no such Formites, but there are others who do not understand today’s Saloreikha and the situation with Ukraine and The world as a whole. There are two opinions "everything is bad" and the completely opposite "has no analogues" in this article as an example. I think the usual order worked out for 2 points.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Egoza

This assessment was based on the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. That's when it was necessary "in one fell swoop", and not to start Minsky.

Six months ago, for such an opinion, I grabbed a bunch of minuses from your colleagues under the slogan - "we were not ready"

The main thing here is to understand what we were not ready for. We could have won militarily, but internationally ... that's where we just weren't ready.

[ammunition]

Because they convinced that "the wine is sour! The cucumbers are rotten! The cabbage is smelly!"

Quote: Egoza

This assessment was based on the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. That's when it was necessary "in one fell swoop", and not to start Minsky.

Dear Elena .
This assessment was based on on the real state APU in winter 2021-2022
The soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not want to fight .. or (especially) die in the Donbass.
The state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has changed .. in just a few days! Leap! And not only the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the entire population of Ukraine. In just a few days .. the soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned into fighters ready to fight without sparing their lives.. The genetic code has turned on.
And few could foresee it. Here .. on VO ..- a few on the fingers could suggest this. And neither Zelensky ... nor most of our generals were able to take this into account.
Zelenskiy handed out tens of thousands of weapons to just passers-by..and ticked..ready to surrender..assuming that the weapons handed out would plunge Kyiv (and other cities) into bloody chaos.
But there was no chaos. The population .. you can say - the people of Ukraine organized themselves in order and in iron discipline. Almost instantly.
And at the moment .. Zelensky is not able to give up .. because .. he would simply be torn apart .. officers and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the defense.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Ammunition, you are either not in the know or a provocateur. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing seriously both in armament and in training and in propaganda.

[igorka357]

Vooot, and I said then, you don’t forget, dear, Ukrainians are practically us, Slavs, our grandfathers took Berlin shoulder to shoulder with their grandfathers .. And everything will not be very easy ..

[Alexander_Schlidt]

This is where I disagree with you. Berlin - they took. But I do not agree with the expression "Ukrainians are practically us." And I probably never agree. These "Slavs" for the most part accepted the occupation of 1941 with bread and salt. Somehow it does not fit with the fact that the ammunition (Nikolai) described about their unity and so on ... And in history you can find a dozen betrayals from the "brothers". Superficial. And if you get involved ... In addition, acquaintances who have been to Ukraine, especially in Western Ukraine, talked about callous and envious people. In general, the acquaintance had a bad impression. Even from their hospitality. And then there was nationalism at the top of the square for almost a century flourished. Are they our brothers? for the most part no! I'm not provoking anyone, just my opinion. Do they have the will to fight? Yes, throughout history, the people of these lands fought, now with the Poles, then with the Muscovites. This is the genetic code turned on.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: parusnik

Because they convinced that "the wine is sour! The cucumbers are rotten! The cabbage is smelly!"

This assessment was based on the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. That's when it was necessary "in one fell swoop", and not to start Minsky.

In Ukraine, we would have won without any problems ... but on the international front, the loss would have been 100%.

[Commissar of the NKVD]

And who did something? We did it ourselves. They came up with it themselves, believed it themselves, listening to illiterate journalists from TV

[Nexcom]

journalists repeated what politicians, appointed bosses, experts, etc. sang to them.

[ALARI]

So these were not journalists, but propagandists on a salary (who paid is not known as usual).

[tone]

Well, well, there were mass texts in the press about the profitability of delaying the CBO. Since the price for gas is greater, the longer the CBO is, the more profit. The fact that, thanks to this, how many civilians will be killed in the border cities of Russia and Novorossia, do not care, the women will still give birth.

[Commissar of the NKVD]

And how many soldiers will be killed in dashing attacks? Or do they not care?

[Adrey]

Quote: NKVD Commissioner

And how many soldiers will be killed in dashing attacks? Or do they not care?

Now, during the "great standing on the Ugra River," they don't kill or what? Or does our art work in solo, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine throw stones from a sling in response, and now we don’t bear losses in people and equipment at all, only they?
Then we’ll wait a little more, another half a year, they’ll put more “axes”, “chimeras” and you’ll see the F-16, then we’ll start for real and again without losses ...

[Commissar of the NKVD]

they will put more "axes", "chimeras" and you look F-16

If you wanted to put it, you would have already put it

[Essex62]

The army, if it is the People's Army, of course, exists for this, so that people are not killed and infrastructure is not destroyed. The profession is to defend the Motherland, and the Motherland is, first of all, people. And then business interests.
In order not to fly in, the military must, at a minimum, move the threat to the right distance. They exist on taxes, those who fly. Or do we not? Are the rich Buratins keeping the army?

[AVESSALOM]

The people's army was in the USSR, and now capitalism and the army are an instrument of the bourgeoisie and the people have nothing to do with the army except to be cannon fodder for the interests of capital.

[Essex62]

This is so. But, from each iron, a completely different thing is heard. And they believe, they believe. The upper ones screwed up, but, during the database, they couldn’t criticize. Believe, believe, believe. And it doesn't matter that the eyes are ripening. Trust me, they are ours.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Quote: Essex62

The army, if it is the People's Army, of course, exists for this, so that people are not killed and infrastructure is not destroyed. The profession is to defend the Motherland, and the Motherland is, first of all, people. And then business interests.

And the army is a powerful lever of diplomacy. if the army is fighting and in an advantageous position, then the position of diplomacy is also improving.
,

Quote: tone

Since the price for gas is higher longer than the CBO more profit

The price of gas affects not only the well-being of our budget, but also the power of the economy of the buying countries. The higher the price, the worse things are for them, and they are sponsoring the enemy. Soon it won't be. No reason to rejoice?

Quote: Essex62

Believe, believe, believe. And it doesn't matter that the eyes are ripening. Trust me, they are ours.

It's better to believe now than to start a storm. Already one was raised in 17. The Great Empire was destroyed. And now the straits would be ours ...

[Essex62]

If the army wins, those in power certainly have preferences, not just diplomats. The question is in whose interests it is used. So far, diplomacy looks pale. Some incomprehensible gestures of kindness
will and negotiations with the Nazis.
The price of gas affects the well-being of those who need it, and not ours. Fuck what we get from this gas. And it’s worse there only for the same hard workers who don’t give a damn about the bourgeoisie. He will not wash in a basin. And they rip, with water cannons and batons.
About the empire is not necessary. There was nothing great about her. They knocked off the backbone and created an empire of social justice and the dictatorship of the worker, where, just, all the preferences are for him.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Too late to see your reply. But nevertheless, I will speak out.

Quote: Essex62

If the army wins, those in power certainly have preferences, not just diplomats. The question is in whose interests it is used. So far, diplomacy looks pale. Some incomprehensible gestures of kindness
will and negotiations with the Nazis.

Diplomacy is pale, I admit. BUT! It must be admitted that we always believe in promises and gentlemen's agreements. This is also a mistake. And it is also worth taking into account that we do not remain in complete isolation, like Iran, for example.

Quote: Essex62

The price of gas affects the well-being of those who need it, and not ours. Fuck what we get from this gas.

Do you want money directly? What would you interest on the card fell? Or what? I just don't understand these kinds of statements. For some reason, the majority believes that money from the sale of gas should go to the people through direct payments. Is this right? Study what this money is spent on first, then demand something.

Quote: Essex62

And it’s worse there only for the same hard workers who don’t give a damn about the bourgeoisie. He will not wash in a basin. And they rip, with water cannons and batons.

And fuck me on their workers. Let them wash in a puddle. I think you too.

Quote: Essex62

About the empire is not necessary. There was nothing great about her. They knocked off the backbone and created an empire of social justice and the dictatorship of the worker, where, just, all the preferences are for him.

Fuck. Study the growth figures in the Empire against the background of the global crisis at the beginning of the 20th century. A separate moment: the production of grain and the production of finished products at the Admiralty factories. Learn labor law against the backdrop of the rest of the world in the 20th century. Then open the mitten on the fact that the empire was miserable. It took your union of social justice two five-year plans, two years of famine, heaps of deaths at construction sites and from repressions in order to reach the indicators of imperial production in the 30s.
And you still scream "poor of all countries unite"

[Essex62]

Exactly. Combine and "fatty" for minced meat. Should not be fatty. From each according to his ability to each according to his work. By work, and not riding on the back of a worker's neck.
Even the feudal samurai gouged your "great" one, and after that it even came to the collapse of the Civil War. Nothing to be proud of there. The Empire itself, the great sons of the People of Russia, who glorified it with their victories and discoveries, are themselves. Not thanks, but in spite of. Tsarism became stagnant, class society became a brake on progress. And in general, a nasty principle of organizing society. No one can be higher than others, by birthright.
About gas, you wrote it correctly. Even so, if we have rotten capitalism and otherwise social justice is not worth waiting for. Once a national treasure. For some reason, the circle of this "people" is very narrow. Not?
Personally, I don't get anything from these sales. They deprived me of a well-deserved pension, and besides free transport, nothing and no how. Survive, dear invalid, as you like. Because we do not want to recognize you as such. This is going to have to pay. The Soviet government did not allow itself such a bestial attitude towards people, although it did not have super-profits from hydrocarbons.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

Quote: Essex62

Nothing to be proud of there. The Empire itself, the great sons of the People of Russia, who glorified it with their victories and discoveries, are themselves.

You are great at separating the wheat from the chaff. It is immediately clear that you have not studied the issue superficially.

Quote: Essex62

Personally, I don't get anything from these sales.

Here again, do you think that you personally owe something? People like you, to whom you personally owe money, chip in on the new bridge?

Quote: Essex62

The Soviet government did not allow itself

I'm not going to argue with you about Soviet power. Although in contrast, I can say a lot. But the main thing is that in 91 the people did not come out to defend the union. We screwed up the jeans war.
In general, I got the impression that you are just a very offended person, striving for personal well-being, but not for public well-being. Having only a superficial understanding of the things you are talking about.

[Essex62]

Of course it should. I am involved in the creation of what these ... seized by more than 40 years of honest work.
I do not aspire to any well-being, in your bourgeois understanding. But I have earned a decent old age and I have the right. It seems that your godfather, from all the stands, is broadcasting about the social state. And where is it, huh? But I didn’t waste my war “for jeans”, I dropped out due to a wound. I spit on your irrepressible thirst for consumption. I'll be gardening and fishing.
And my knowledge is enough to understand who is a friend to a working man, and who is an enemy.

[Alexander_Schlidt]

By the way, people like you wanted the collapse of the union more than others. Guided by desires to have more goods than others. And when it didn’t work out, they remembered that they gave apartments in the union.

[AVESSALOM]

The herd must be milked and let for meat!)) And it must be obedient. It seems that we have already succeeded ..

[parusnik]

the women are still giving birth.

Naturally, maternity capital is not in vain allocated

[Aleks2048]

Not an article, but a collection of propaganda. And so selective that the title of the article

Conscious slowdown or lack of strength: why the front froze in Ukraine

In general, the author wrote only one paragraph about the fast and maneuverable strategy for the movement of the NWO. In which he said that most likely the Nazis would not be able to strike with drones in the Crimea. Am I the only one who thinks such an analysis is flawed? However, even if one adheres to the point of view that the SVO should go “slowly” to the article, there are a number of questions ... Yes, it would be fine with the article ... there are a number of unpleasant questions about the situation itself.
And why does the author not raise the question of why the Russian authorities do not mark the borders of the NWO? I am an ordinary voter, an ordinary member of Russian society, and for example, I'm curious how effectively the leadership of the Russian Federation operates? How is the government written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation to whom it reports? And in order to ask something from the authorities, one would have to imagine what the authorities are planning, otherwise you can get an answer to any question, that it was planned as it is! I'm curious how much one day (a week, a month, underline what is superfluous to delete) of the CBO conducted, both in money and in people, costs?
Acting within the framework of the paradigm that the NWO should go slowly, the author hammers with all his might

or wait on a stable front for the inevitable capitulation of the Bandera regime.

With whom does the author see negotiations on surrender and on what terms? These are the dreams of the Kremlin, which are simply talked about endlessly, and this is the cornerstone of people's dissatisfaction with the actions of the authorities, who cannot tell their own people what will be the measure of the success of the NWO.
And here is another eternal mantra

If now several towns and villages are burned in the hellish flames of the attack, can we hope for the loyalty of the survivors? Not for sympathy, but at least for loyalty?

The author apparently did not watch the news well, at least in the zombie screen there is a colorful picture of what happens with towns and villages with a slow SVO. And it will definitely be winter.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Alex2048

In which he said that most likely the Nazis would not be able to strike with drones in the Crimea.

Oh, is it ... And here is what they write:

23 August 2022, 06: 48
Taiwan delivered 800 Revolver 860 attack drones to APU

or

And now, according to official data, several batches of strike unmanned aerial vehicles arrived in Nezalezhnaya. Among them: 300 Switchblade kamikaze drones and 121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones.

[Frost]

The Anglo-Saxons understand that it is difficult to defeat Russia by military means, the only chance is to destroy it from the inside.
The same military commander Steshin writes on his way to Moscow:
"The road to Moscow is packed, like the Moscow Ring Road at rush hour, at gas stations, like in the metro at 17.00 on Koltsevaya - the planes don't go to the south. The war is on. They ate hot dogs at gas stations, drank disgusting coffee, fed their expensive cars. They did not yet understand that this was the last, already semi-peaceful summer. And it seemed to me that they would surrender three Donbass if someone gave these citizens a choice and the opportunity to exchange your bestial "rest" in the southern reservations for our ephemeral "blood, land, honor". They won't even wince. This is the great injustice of what is happening in the South-East of the former Ukraine. The strategy of "half a bump" is inapplicable to civil wars "and" pretend that everything is fine. It will end badly.

[Rorshah]

And for example, I don’t need this Donbass at all, in our country half of the Altai Territory looks like NATO aviation has worked here. There are no roads, people walk through dust and mud, dilapidated schools and kindergartens... Let them restore it better, but I don't need Donbass.

[_Sergei_]

No need to call about the Altai Territory. Roads roll sideways. New kindergartens are being built and old ones are being renovated. New sidewalks and roads. What do you live in?

[Rorshah]

Ride the train from Novosibirsk to Barnaul and look out the window in how many villages there are roads, and then write to me. Look how kindergartens in Barnaul look, everything is ancient from the times of the USSR. What trams run in Barnaul? 50 years ago it was a shame to ride on such wrecks, not like in the 21st century.

[Andrey VOV]

My hut is on the edge, an excellent position, so semi-treacherous, Donbass is not boring for us, then something else will not be needed, and what is the result?

[filibuster]

First of all, you need to think about your citizens, about your own territory, otherwise it will turn out like in the Republic of Ingushetia, that all of a sudden the people of the tsar don’t really love it and the Empire doesn’t particularly want to save, and then the same thing happened with the USSR.

[_Sergei_]

I live in the "dying" city of Rubtsovsk. And I see how the city is being rolled into asphalt. Businesses can't recruit workers. Although there are 8500 unemployed in the city. Traffic jams in the city from the number of cars.

[Dante Alighieri]

What trams run in Barnaul? 50 years ago it was a shame to ride on such wrecks, not like in the 21st century.

No wonder why we were recently "made happy" with blue trams from the capital city itself, the condition of which, however, leaves much to be desired. At least those that have been repaired at our VRZ look much better.
And yes, I agree, OT is complete trash, waste and sodomy. Only in terms of the number of shopping centers and the number of mental patients, we are consistently in the top ten, but for all other indicators, the region has long hit the bottom and every time it surprises us with another one)))) They also took over the Slavyanoserbsky district. Well, why does the governor have a fat plus in karma and 100500 to the chance of a warm chair in Moscow, and how much they will sell a kilo of potatoes and a liter of vegetable oil to the locals in the region, which is the main breadbasket of Siberia, does not bother anyone.

[Frost]

Quote: Dante

trams from the capital city

Naberezhnye Chelny, where armored vehicles are produced, also received trams from Moscow. They are definitely fresher than the trams of the times of the Soviet Union, which still remember how KAMAZ was built.

[Dante Alighieri]

We simply have a car repair plant, where several pairs of old tram trains have already been repaired somehow. It turned out very worthy. Muscovites did not stand nearby. True, there is a nuance here: when Moscow announced the distribution of obsolete electric transport, our regional authorities were among the last in line, as a result, they got what they got. Although, in a good way, it would be better to allocate funds to the car repair to put in order a few more units - and people would be supported, and the money for delivery would remain at home.

[Santa Fe]

half of the Altai Territory looks like NATO aviation has worked here. There are no roads

Roads are needed only by those who directly live there. But that's their personal problem.

The territory is always of value in the interests of the country

[ALARI]

This Steshin wrote about his compatriots like that. Only because they do not go to the draft board in orderly rows. And then they whine on TV why such an attitude. This military correspondent himself would be slapped with an article for incitement.

[border]

Can you answer, did we declare martial law, mobilization, banned vacations, obliged us to work seven days a week for 12 hours, forbade moving around the regions of Russia without special documents, and many more "goodies"? or "everyone as one from ... to ..." signed up as volunteers by their example? so the questions are not for the population

[Essex62]

It may well be, and it will be. It will even be sure, covid-madness 2 is just around the corner. Hints are already slipping through the box and radio.
Well, when NATO finally becomes insolent and tramples, there will be all the delights of war you listed.

[Paul Siebert]

I compare the actions of our armed forces in Ukraine with the action of an asphalt skating rink.
The skating rink moves slowly, progressively, without jerking and crazy sprints.
And it also happens that it will pass a little and roll back to drive through this place again.
And it never occurs to anyone to call this behavior of the skating rink - the victory of unrolled asphalt ...
We roll up the whole Nenka. Yes, not tomorrow. But inevitably and qualitatively.
And then we and our children will drive on the new asphalt without any problems!

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: AVESSALOM

Since 1944, the Soviet skating rink has been rolling faster, without such explanations for the fools of the cheerleaders.

It rolled, then it rolled, and before May 45, several million more funerals for widows came.
Reluctance to repeat. And I scored on uryakalok. Let them yell.

[AVESSALOM]

Those. Does the increase in casualties among the population of Donbass due to the delay in the NVO DO NOT CONFUSE? OK .. Or maybe, well, these losses in the troops?

[Paul Siebert]

The time for truces has passed, dear ...
It's not 2015 outside.
The loss of civilians in the Donbass is not even embarrassing, but outrageous!
Therefore, it is necessary to fuck around with power structures in Kyiv, and not climb machine guns with your chest ...
1944 has long passed, my friend ...

[AVESSALOM]

Well, I’m in an ironic way.) We understand that there can be no talk of any world, but judging by the stuffing in the press up there, they didn’t abandon the idea of ​​the obscene Minsk-3. Medinsky is waiting.))

[yuriy55]

Quote: Paul Siebert

I compare the actions of our armed forces in Ukraine with the action of an asphalt roller.

A good comparison ... Only in winter (at low temperatures, in a downpour) asphalt is not rolled - the quality of laying is not that good.

Quote: Paul Siebert

And it also happens that it will pass a little and roll back to drive through this place again.

The main thing is that this does not work out, as in Bucha ... Or, like that owner who loved his dog and cut off its tail in parts, and then regretted it and began to sew it back in parts.
*****
Nobody wants to leave our soldiers and civilians to be slaughtered. It just doesn’t make sense to allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to replenish their stocks from Western arsenals, enjoy the benefits of civilization and conduct unplanned (not provided with forces and means) operations against them.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: yuriy55

Only in winter (at low temperatures, during a downpour) asphalt is not rolled - the quality of laying is not that good.

In winter, our ice rink will go much faster.
The green will disappear.
On IR sights, manpower will look more contrasting.
Yes, and in the cities xoxlyatsky townsfolk freeze their asses.
Shchenevmerla with a frozen slurp cannot be sung with especially high quality.
"Heroes - fat!" don't scream.
So winter is on our side. A general with a xoxlyatsky surname Moroz and at the same time will deal with Western equipment! ..

[Eug]

"... if several cities and villages are burned down in the hellish flames of an attack, can we hope for the loyalty of the survivors? Not for sympathy, but at least for loyalty?"
And what can the inhabitants of the "quadrangle" to the north of Kharkov hope for - Dergachi - Cossack Lopan - Liptsy - Tsyrkuny (it can be extended to the right bank of the Seversky Donets) and all those villages that are "inside" it, when the fighting (and shelling) " ride"
on them back and forth? Who were turned incomprehensibly into whom (refugees), who are deprived of their usual way of life and most of what they have acquired? How can people live on? It is not clear how much to hang around TACs (for those who are in Russia)? Or "mobilize" in the ZSU (for those in Ukraine)? Or put up with the loss of everything that was often created by more than one generation? And how does this contribute to the growth of loyalty towards Russia? At the same time, no one says a word (except for the most general ones - like "we will restore everything", which is perceived as an empty tryndobolic) at least about some kind of perspective .... such a dead end .. and "grinding" the ZSU will not solve the issue - for everyone there are relatives, friends, acquaintances of the killed and wounded, that is, the number of disloyal will only increase ....

[Egoza]

Quote: Eug

"grinding" the ZSU will not solve the issue - each killed and wounded has relatives, friends, acquaintances, that is, the number of disloyal will only increase ....

So we need more prisoners of war who will appreciate the attitude towards them and will not then oppose. This does not apply to the Nazis, of course. These will hide if they are not cleared out or there is no HARD control throughout the territory, which will come under the arm of the Russian Federation.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

So after all, the more stable the front, the fewer prisoners of war.

[Paul Siebert]

Len, it's useless...
Don't get through.
Bandera pigs loved this topic ...
They're scared. Deadlines may change. reality and propaganda do not fit ...

[Frost]

Quote: Eug

And what can the inhabitants of the "quadrangle" to the north of Kharkov hope for - Dergachi - Cossack Lopan - Liptsy - Tsyrkuny (it can be extended to the right bank of the Seversky Donets) and all those villages that are "inside" it, when the fighting (and shelling) " ride"
on them back and forth?

Donbass suffered for 8 years, nothing can be done, this is a new reality.

[AVESSALOM]

Does the propagandist want to say anything about the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant? Shelling, is that good? Should we stand still until the Ukrainians blow it up? And what about the intensity of shelling of Donetsk and the increasing casualties among civilians? tasks. Everyone has mistakes, but the main thing is to correct them, and not persist in their stupidity and hold the population for idiots and feed them such shit from a shovel.

[ban]

treat the population as idiots and feed them shit like this from a shovel

[Cat]

The author did not pose two deep questions: "what to do?" and "who is to blame?". The second one is especially interesting. Of course, I don’t have such a deep military education as the Minister of Defense, and even more so the National Guard, but even he is somewhat perplexed by the planning and implementation of the SVO, which we all observe. Especially, in terms of malicious disregard for almost all the postulates of military science. To be honest, in February I raised all my educational and historical materials on more or less similar military operations, such as Operation Weiss, Uranus, Manchurian, etc. And everything seemed to inspire optimism ... until the moment of negotiations and "gestures of good will" - that's when my respectful attitude towards pants with wide stripes shook a little. What followed was no longer a military, but some kind of political special operation.
Well, okay, "a big giraffe - he knows better" (C)

[AVESSALOM]

Bridges, railway junctions, traction substations and the rest of the infrastructure are intact! The supply of Ukrainian troops from abroad is in a stormy stream, and no one interferes. What is this? Betrayal at the headquarters?

[ALARI]

No, it looks like there is a recycling of the population, and from both sides. Covid did not work as it should, the old proven methods are more effective.

[AVESSALOM]

Moreover, the passionary, young population is being utilized. And there are jingoistic pidiots eating shit from the shovel of Konashenkov's propaganda. to "cheers"

[Essex62]

Generals, they are not generals themselves. They have a big boss, and he knows better whether to turn Bankovaya into ruins or not. To avoid a response. There are no doubts that the minke whales will provide what will fly to Barvikha. They seriously decided to defeat us. Now it's final.

[Vladislav 73]

Quote: Gato

Of course, I don’t have such a deep military education as the Minister of Defense, and even more so the National Guard,

The Minister of Defense has no military education. He is a construction worker. He headed the Committee on Emergency Situations and Civil Defense, later transformed into the Ministry of Emergency Situations, as a minister "grew" to the General of the Army. And the Head of the General Staff, yes, a military man "to the marrow of his bones" - was Suvorov, then the Kazan Higher Tank Academy, two Academies - the Armored and the Academy of the General Staff. With all due respect to the rescuers, after all, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the army are different structures with all the ensuing features and management methods ... But how is it here? The main thing is to find sensible deputies. And you can stir up some kind of tank biathlon during the "war .. we don't have" ...

[AVESSALOM]

Maybe the Chief of the General Staff has more brains, not bones, you see, and there would be more sense in planning and maintaining the NWO?

[Vladislav 73]

Quote: AVESSALOM

Maybe the Chief of the General Staff has more brains, not bones, you see, and there would be more sense in planning and maintaining the NWO?

Regardless of specific persons and individuals ... Or maybe the current structure of government itself does NOT imply the presence of "big brains"? And "very smart" "there" are not needed? Is the selection based on other criteria?

[AVESSALOM]

I agree, look at the root!

[DenVB]

Quote: Vladislav 73

And the Head of the General Staff, yes, a military man "to the marrow of his bones" - was Suvorov, then the Kazan Higher Tank Academy, two Academies - the Armored and the Academy of the General Staff.

I am confused by his biography. He somehow managed to "slope" both from Afghanistan and from the first Chechen war. Of course, not everyone got there, our army is large, but if he had been a truly sincere patriot, a military officer, he would have been sent to the combat zone without waiting for an order. And it turns out that he made a career, but did not sniff gunpowder.

[Boris Sergeev]

Another portion of Fedorov's propaganda. The losses of the Russian army in the first month of hostilities alone amounted to more than 1300 people - about the same amount we lost during the year of the war in Afghanistan. Further data on the losses were not published. Funds are being collected through all military corporative channels to equip military units. Under the blows of high-precision weapons, several generals have already died - then what can we say about the rest! A strange fire at the Institute of the Moscow Region, where 18 employees burned down - and after all, they were probably good specialists! That's all you need to know about "caring for people."

[Egoza]

As Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) wrote

The Russian Federation in the current realities should also pay attention to the thesis of Comrade Stalin, since during a long confrontation with the fascist West, keeping the socio-economic situation in the rear and stopping the processes leading to the impoverishment of the population is no less important task than advancing to Kharkov or Nikolaev " .

[Boris55]

Quote: Egoza

As Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) wrote

Therefore, in the 14th country was not ready, but in this it was forced ...

The increase in our army to two million suggests that the NWO is only a prelude to a big war with the West.

ps
The idea of ​​the West freedomlimited by the strict enforcement of the law.
The idea of ​​the USSR equality, non-binding enforcement of the law.
Idea of ​​Russia - справедливость"Judge us not according to the law, but according to justice" ...

Freedom and justice (concepts) will never agree among themselves.
The boundaries of the dominance of freedom and justice are being clarified on the battlefield.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Boris55

The idea of ​​the West is freedom, limited by the strict enforcement of the law.
The idea of ​​the USSR is equality, the optionality of the execution of the law.
The idea of ​​Russia is justice, at the beginning of the path ...

Enough "gag" smack.
Idea of ​​the West - the creation of an elite group of countries that dictate their will to the rest of the world under the threat of the use of weapons, and providing their own citizens with freedom within the limits established for them by law).
The idea of ​​the USSR - freedom, equality, brotherhood, happiness. The basic principle of social justice: from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
Idea of ​​Russia - its complete absence according to:

Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation The latest version of Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation reads:
1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

[Boris55]

Quote: yuriy55

The idea of ​​the West is ... giving its own citizens freedom within the limits established for them by law).

And what did I write about?

Quote: yuriy55

The idea of ​​the USSR - The basic principle of social justice: from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.

The USSR was not a just society (the dictatorship of the proletariat, degenerated into the dictatorship of the party nomenklatura), especially at the end of its coexistence.

Quote: yuriy55

The idea of ​​Russia is its complete absence according to:
Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: .....

Ideology is not something abstract. The bearers of ideologies (ideas) are people who organize among themselves and form parties. The bearer of the bourgeois ideology of the exploitation of man-man is United Russia. The carrier of the communist ideology is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, etc. We have a multi-party system. The people, in the elections, voting for one or another party, choose which ideology in the country will be dominant until the next elections, through the adoption of relevant laws, to put their ideas into practice.

"Ideology" over ideologies is called a concept. Freedom, equality, justice - these are the concepts of the structure of society. Ideologies serve to popularize the concept in a usable form for the people.

[AVESSALOM]

This is not a concept - these are general words.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Boris55

And what did I write about?

They forgot about "them".

Quote: Boris55

Ideology is not something abstract.

It is in your "gag" that it is abstract. And the wording is:
Ideology is a system of conceptually designed ideas , which expresses the interests, worldview and ideals of various subjects of politics - classes, nations, society ..

[Boris55]

Quote: yuriy55

Ideology is a system of conceptually formulated ideas that expresses the interests, worldview and ideals of various political subjects - classes, nations, society.

How does this contradict what I wrote?
Let me also lay out the "footcloth":

"Ideology is the product of ideological power controlled by conceptual power.

Ideology - This is the concept of governance, set out in a way that is understandable to the masses of the people so that it does not cause them to be rejected, much less actively targeted against it. The object of influence of ideological power is the whole society, however, with the exception of those who are themselves conceptually powerful, and therefore stand above ideological power. Ideology is needed for conceptual power in order to form a worldview of people in society corresponding to the chosen concept so that people are under its power in changing life circumstances.

The function of ideological power - to clothe a conceptually beneficial concept in such ideological forms in which it would appear in the opinion of people handsome and therefore acceptable, in which the concept would not cause rejection, and even more so - a targeted active opposition to the introduction of the concept into management practice up to the development and implementation into the life of an alternative concept to her.

Freedom from ideologies - This is self-deception, but not spontaneous psychological, but purposefully cultivated by conceptual power. An ideology can be understood or not understood, accepted or denied, but members of society always encounter manifestations of one or another ideology, which is the shell of the concept of managing society from the side of conceptual power carriers.

Ideological power - conceptually powerless, because it only adapts the concept to specific historical circumstances and is not capable of developing a concept.

The quality of life of society:
primarily determined by the concept of management - its essence;
secondarily determined by the quality of management within this concept.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Boris55

The quality of life of society:

Throw you these postulates hell knows who. Go outside and ask any passer-by what he understands by the quality of life.
Fuck him the concept of management and its essence.
Confidence in the future, the ability to earn a decent living and a roof over one's head with one's own work is the first step that determines the quality of life.
This is in the second stage - there is no money, but you hold on.

[Boris Sergeev]

If it was not possible to achieve complete justice in the USSR, this does not mean that what was created by generations of Soviet people should be put into the pocket of the Abramovichs and Vekselbergs. The Russian Federation is not trying to achieve justice, having a property stratification unthinkable even for Western countries.

[Rorshah]

The idea of ​​the West - ... providing its own citizens with freedom within the framework established for them by law)

But this is good and what we just want. Freedom for all within the law, not the freedom to break laws. I am for it.

[Boris55]

Quote from Rorshah

Freedom for all within the law

You forget that laws are written in the interests of the individual, in order to give the illusion of justice to the many. If your World is illusory, then the consequences of these illusions will be quite specific.

[Adrey]

Quote: Boris55

You forget that laws are written in the interests of the individual, in order to give the illusion of justice to the many.

Are you talking about us now, about specific countries, or about everything in general?

Quote: Boris55

If your World is illusory, then the consequences of these illusions will be quite specific.

Apparently Nixon lived in his illusory country, and was impeached in accordance with the laws of a completely different state.
PS: I did not have time to rewrite the laws in my favor loshara

[Rorshah]

The idea of ​​the USSR is equality, the optionality of the execution of the law.

Party member and ordinary person were equal? And the son of an enemy of the people?

The idea of ​​Russia is justice, "Judge us not according to the law, but according to justice" ...

Can our guys who have lost limbs in SVO count on a fair life? I'm just asking. Is our society capable of providing justice to veterans, the disabled, and retirees?

[Boris55]

Party member and ordinary person were equal? And the son of an enemy of the people?

And what did I write about?

Quote from Rorshah

Our Society Can Provide Justice

We only yesterday announced our decision to get out of the control of the West, and today you are already demanding everything from us at once?

The May 9th parade on Red Square ended with a song with the following refrain:

No wonder, no wonder at all times
Victory comes in battle.
Native Fatherland, native country,
We praise your rebirth!
Homeland!

[AVESSALOM]

And could the Mausoleum at least be draped for a start?

[Essex62]

And in what way was a member of the AUCPB-CPSU not equal to a non-party one? Didn't see any differences. They tried to pump more on the neck, it was. And the rest, that Vanya with a party card, that Petya is a non-party member - everything is the same.
And the children of the enemies were pressed not by the authorities, but by "public opinion". Well, the Soviet People did not like enemies.

[Aag]

Quote from Rorshah

The idea of ​​the USSR is equality, the optionality of the execution of the law.

Party member and ordinary person were equal? And the son of an enemy of the people?

The idea of ​​Russia is justice, "Judge us not according to the law, but according to justice" ...

Can our guys who have lost limbs in SVO count on a fair life? I'm just asking. Is our society capable of providing justice to veterans, the disabled, and retirees?

I think if you would divide your comment into two separate ... evaluation, "+", "-" as agreement - the disagreement of those present would be greatly divided!
And so, - we only have a common score, it is not known in whose favor ...

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

Only cats will be born quickly.

[AVESSALOM]

Instead of a radical amputation, poultices and compresses are put into the regimen.

[anclevalico]

As soon as the shelling of Donetsk fits into this harmonious picture, which, at such a pace of advance, will soon be razed to the ground. I'm not talking about ZAES.

[Alexander Kuksin]

I agree with the author of the article. But the rumor about the *fraternal Ukrainian people* or the *great Ukrainian people* is constantly cutting! There is no and never was a Ukrainian people! Maybe even say * the great Avar people *? Or * the great Svan people *? Or maybe the Lithuanians are a great people? Great Lithuania is the current Belarusians. And those who consider themselves * the great Lithuanian people * are half-wild zhmud. And in general, this term * fraternal people * is rather stupid. If we talk about the * great people *, it's about the Great Slavic people! And Ukraine is just a small-town part of Russia.

[nikvic46]

Opinions about our society are different. So recently one called our society a kindergarten. You can argue with this opinion, but only kindergarteners can watch endless serials about the war of cops. Dugin put it differently. Like, succumbing to Western influence, a society was born. This is an extreme point of view. I have a cool attitude towards the unification of the former Ukrainian lands with our country. This does not guarantee peace. This will aggravate the confrontation. on our country. Wherever you throw it, a wedge is everywhere. Simplified thinking even considers an injury as a sore for several days. But in most cases it is for life.

[yuriy55]

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation?

The patriotic community of Russia expects effectiveness from the NMD, effective methods of suppressing enemy forces with the help of weapons and economic leverage.
Complete and unconditional surrender of the Zelensky regime.
Liquidation of Ukrainian statehood in the form in which it is.
The return of the primordially Russian (Russian) regions to the Russian Federation, because it’s not good to scatter the lands.
Mobilization of the Russian economy for the needs of the RF Armed Forces.
Proper governance of the country, where the bourgeois should not dictate their terms to the people.

[EvilLion]

I can't understand how you manage to speak with slogans alone.

[Essex62]

Slogans give rise to actions, under the conditions created, moreover. The existing reality cannot be unchanging, unshakable. Practical tasks and actions to solve them are wonderful, but we must also look into the future.
And what personally does not suit you in the "slogans" of comrade uyriy55?

[DenVB]

Quote: yuriy55

The patriotic community of Russia expects effectiveness from the NMD, effective methods of suppressing enemy forces with the help of weapons and economic leverage.

And it is already clear that we will not wait for anything like that.

[Aag]

Quote: yuriy55

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation?

The patriotic community of Russia expects effectiveness from the NMD, effective methods of suppressing enemy forces with the help of weapons and economic leverage.
Complete and unconditional surrender of the Zelensky regime.
Liquidation of Ukrainian statehood in the form in which it is.
The return of the primordially Russian (Russian) regions to the Russian Federation, because it’s not good to scatter the lands.
Mobilization of the Russian economy for the needs of the RF Armed Forces.
Proper governance of the country, where the bourgeois should not dictate their terms to the people.

To evaluate the effectiveness (of any event), you need to know the goals.
Yes: what kind of bourgeois are you talking about? Ours? Western? ... And these are very different ...?

[Stirbjorn]

Such articles are more likely to inspire melancholy than to raise morale. Is it really so bad that contrary to all the rules of military science

The Russian military is now in a unique situation - no one is demanding assaults "by all means", regardless of losses. There is no time limit, and this allows you to actively maneuver, destroying the enemy with minimal damage to your own forces.

The phrase was at least during the First World War, although it didn’t help Germany then - the economy predictably could not stand it, against most of the world.
The author would at least give examples of such successful long-term confrontations, otherwise his logic does not convince at all

[kig]

The author clearly explained what the ultra-patriots want, and what the alarmists and traitors want. He also clearly explained that it was undesirable to attack - heavy losses were inevitable, but it was also undesirable to linger on the spot. But what about?

[DenVB]

Quote: kig

But what about?

Wait for the deal.

[Maks1995]

A wave of articles - explanations why everything is not as it was seen before ...

Clearly, neither the authors nor the readers of the plans of the Kremlin and the Defense Ministry know, and deliberately forget that the West cannot do otherwise - it, together with Russia, was the guarantor of Ukraine's nuclear deal.
You can sell whatever you like to the population, but you cannot lose face in front of the elite of countries. And the sluggish non-war for the elites is a gift. Everything can be attributed to her

[EvilLion]

It remains only to understand in which of the 3-4 simultaneously ongoing offensives did he freeze? Near Nikolaev or something, where is the encirclement going on the sly? About the Donbass operation in April, everyone was also screaming when it would begin. No one announced anything snobbishly, they just brought guns and shells in monstrous quantities and began to methodically crumble everything.

About "almost a million people", thanks neighing, a million more, a million less. For the illiterate, all one will be replaced by the word "many". Well, you can’t mobilize more than 1.5-2% of the population if there is no economy. And even during the years of the Second World War, a fighter was trained according to the most accelerated program for 3 months, an EMNIP officer for 10 months.

Or maybe the Armed Forces of Ukraine will get new tanks with guns from somewhere, like the USSR in the 41st, when by the end of the year factories evacuated to places where no Heinkel would ever get them began to produce?

[Adagka]

There is no doubt that Fedorov and others5 lured hacks for three rubles will justify at least a possible transfer of the ZNPP to the dill, at least a possible shameful Istanbul. In this scribble, there have already been calls for this, they say, why take Kharkov, there are not enough forces to control the territory, they will still shell Kharkov already. Well, according to such flawed logic, one could not have started, because according to Fedorov, nothing has fundamentally changed

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Adagka

Well, according to such flawed logic, one could not have started, because according to Fedorov, nothing has fundamentally changed

This is the most important question - why then start if the defeat of the enemy is not included in the plans ?!

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Stirbjorn

This is the most important question - why then start if the defeat of the enemy is not included in the plans ?!

It seems that the plan was still there, repeat-Crimea. We enter on February 24, surround Kyiv, and there Zelensky and his team are already going to negotiate and make all possible concessions to us, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine, having learned that the Russian Armed Forces have crossed the border, drop their weapons and refuse to fight ... because. understand that there is no chance. Further negotiations - we achieve the goals we need ...

And plan B, it seems, was poorly prepared, according to reports and papers (probably) everything was fine, we could only roll out the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this way, so we didn’t really prepare and counted on improvisation if the main plan fails .... at least such a picture is seen .

[Stirbjorn]

I agree with you, as do many, I think, here. The blitzkrieg did not work out, and what to do now, at the top, it seems they don’t really know. It’s just that articles like this (where everything is going according to plan) only make me sad. That is, the effect is the opposite of what was intended.

[AVESSALOM]

They would simply write: Russia’s CDF has no political will. After an erroneous assessment of the potential of the Ukrainian army at the first stage of the NWO and the failure of an attempt to negotiate with the West in Istanbul, it was decided to let it go by itself, maybe it will somehow resolve.

[RaccoonSnake]

The "compact army", which was dreamed of throughout the 200s, suddenly (!), turned out to be insufficient to conduct even a major border conflict.

[single-n]

Well, in fairness, it should be noted that a war with one of the largest countries in Europe, with its support by NATO intelligence and military-industrial complex, is not very similar to a border conflict. There are a couple of steps to a full-scale war with vigorous loaves. We have already practically ground down about a third of the total EU arsenal in terms of conventional weapons.
But you are right that the peacetime army cannot pull this.

[Lex_is]

With a non-compact one, it would be exactly the same, only with much greater losses.
It was not a bobbin ...

[kor1vet1974]

or wait on a stable front for the inevitable capitulation of the Bandera regime.

There will be capitulation. Bandera regime, resigns or goes to the dock? What will be the new mode? Joyfully run to the Customs Union, the CSTO and the union state of Russia and Belarus? Or will he take a break, smile wryly, regain his strength with the help of Western friends, and then knock on the door: "Help, hooligans, they deprive you of your eyesight" (c)? And the doors to NATO and the EU are opening? Our song is good, start from the beginning?

[Bolt cutter]

And the doors to NATO and the EU are opening?

With the advent of Ukraine-Kranty and NATO and guaranteed by the EU.

[TatarinSSSR]

The more such opportunistic authors present their instructive and expert "opinions" to the public in the media, the faster the civilians of Russia who read them will generally get tired of the NWO itself and everything connected with it and even begin to irritate and cause negative. After all, what does the author tell us? They say those who demand offensives and liberation of Ukrainian territories are enemies of the people. After all, an offensive is a big loss of personnel. Not enemies, real smart patriots, should understand that a stalled front is cool. It's perfect.
That's just when our dear allied troops, with heavy losses and battles, took one or another settlement in the LDNR or quickly moved forward somewhere - all such authors applauded excitedly and told us - how cool it is, finally, not to fight positionally, but to attack ! What drives authors like Fedorov in general? They act according to the formula - no matter what happens, you need to tell the stupid people that this is not "zrada", this is a "victory". Even if everything is bad, you need to pour into your ears that everything is really good. Maybe they don't pay well for it?

[Baobabus]

A lot of letters.
One could simply write: there is no strength and opportunity to advance faster.
Moreover, everyone knows that initially the war was not supposed at all, so all subsequent activity is forced measures. All patriotic chatter is just informational support to soften the domestic political situation. The rallying of the population around their leader in the face of an external threat is a standard theme in such a situation. Moreover, the Russians have been living with such an agenda for many years. Otherwise, the topic of discussion would long ago have been the question: why is the country still producing so little, and the standard of living of citizens is so low?

[Radical]

First of all, the Russian army receives more dividends from the prolongation of hostilities than the Ukrainian one.

How! In fact, from the point of view of military science, slowing down the pace of the offensive allows the enemy to regroup forces and means, replenish units and subunits with personnel to replace those who left during the hostilities, and also replenish the spent stock of ammunition and weapons ... . What we are now seeing. The intensity of the supply of Western weapons and ammunition has increased significantly .... At such a pace, we will wait for the fact that in the countries of the Main Enemy, pilots will be trained / retrained for Western models of aviation equipment, crews of air defense systems, crews of armored combat vehicles, crews of artillery systems, which will then be delivered to Ukraine. It is possible that this process is already underway, probably just our leadership prefers not to disclose this data in the media. In addition, taking into account the available time reserve, the enemy cannot exclude the possibility that he will have time to receive Western-made tactical missile systems and train calculations on them. And finally, the question of logistics. Attacks on communications, supply channels, and hubs on enemy territory are episodic, non-systemic in nature .... This is my answer to the author of the article.

[AVESSALOM]

It's all HPP.)))

[single-n]

Yes, preparation veils do not hide. The account only from open data goes to thousands. It's just that our media mention it briefly. Here recently, Boris Johnson showed off at the training center for the training of Ukrainians. And the Poles blabbed back in the spring that they were training soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the Americans recently admitted that they have adapted part of their air missiles for use from Soviet aircraft. In particular, the HARM AGM-88 anti-radar missile. Now our air defense will have another big problem.

[Sergey Kuzmin]

it was enough to read this at the very beginning of the article

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation?

to understand that the article is NOTHING. But this

the ratio of the number of personnel on the front is 1 to 3 in favor of Ukraine. And while this majority at the front did not realize the inevitability of their own defeat, while they blindly believe in the demons of the Kyiv regime

generally some nonsense. The normal patriotic public keeps saying - GROW UP and equip with the latest technology the RUSSIAN GROUP operating in the NVO in order to destroy the Ukronazi anti-Russian armed forces, and the author proposes to continue to wait, like the last decade, until these Ukronazis, armed to the teeth, begin to love Russians and Russia. ... But with such "fighters of the information front" as this author, we will definitely never wait for the armed Ukronazis to suddenly understand themselves how bad it is to shoot Russians ...

[Rome]

A cunning presentation of the situation in the article: it turns out that we have enough forces (with a ratio of 3: 1 in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) , we just save strength
In fact, the forces involved are clearly not enough for such a theater of war. , otherwise they would have won much faster, using the classic coverage of fortifications, instead of a frontal assault, there are no forces for this, this is bad But, it is involved without tension for the Russian society, the forces are still enough for the Victory! The chosen tactic shows a positive result!
As a result, Russia avoided mobilization for a possible quick victory, but received a protracted war that did not require unnecessary tension from the Russian population. Judging by the analytics, we will still win, so the strategy was probably chosen correctly

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

Another portion of Fedorov's propaganda. The losses of the Russian army in the first month of hostilities alone amounted to more than 1300 people - about the same amount we lost during the year of the war in Afghanistan. Further data on the losses were not published. Funds are being collected through all military corporative channels to equip military units. Under the blows of high-precision weapons, several generals have already died - then what can we say about the rest! A strange fire at the Institute of the Moscow Region, where 18 employees burned down - and after all, they were probably good specialists! That's all you need to know about "caring for people."

Do not compare the fighting in Afghanistan and now, these are two big differences from the word at all, and it’s not entirely correct with the Chechen one,

[Kuziming]

Quote: Gato

The author did not pose two deep questions: "what to do?" and "who is to blame?". The second one is especially interesting. Of course, I don’t have such a deep military education as the Minister of Defense, and even more so the National Guard, but even he is somewhat perplexed by the planning and implementation of the SVO, which we all observe. Especially, in terms of malicious disregard for almost all the postulates of military science. To be honest, in February I raised all my educational and historical materials on more or less similar military operations, such as Operation Weiss, Uranus, Manchurian, etc. And everything seemed to inspire optimism ... until the moment of negotiations and "gestures of good will" - that's when my respectful attitude towards pants with wide stripes shook a little. What followed was no longer a military, but some kind of political special operation.
Well, okay, "a big giraffe - he knows better" (C)

My eyes popped when I saw the first photos and columns on the march inside hostile territory.

[aglet]

the author proposes to simply stop at the frontiers and imitate vigorous activity, fluctuating a few millimeters back and forth, for so long until the Ukrainians get bored. -how they will smash, with all the proletarian hatred, on tramples from the armed forces of the Russian Federation, who can even reach Moscow. in addition, the international situation may change if the West also gets tired of it. may bring in troops. now everyone is talking about the forces of NATO, and such and such, in general, drug addicts and pederasts. they said the same thing about everything, quite recently, and somehow everything was miraculously transformed. Russian Federation does not apply nuclear weapons - Putin has shaken the air so many times with empty statements that it is unlikely that his words are taken seriously in the West. and we will have what we have now - a sluggish armed conflict, stretched out for years. this will not give the Russian economy any chance for development, everything will flow into a hole, with the inscription-own. only quick, decisive offensive actions can bring victory in the war. defense has not yet won a single war

[DenVB]

Quote: aglet

everything will flow into the hole, with the inscription-own.

Nothing like this. It will flow away to where it flowed before - to the West.

[Shelest2000]

fraternal Ukrainian people.

Oh, just don't...
Ukrainians themselves, voluntarily, while dancing and jumping, while eating Russian Baby cakes and the Muscovite's Blood cocktail, renounced our blood relationship, our common history.
And then the question is - why do we need such "relatives", arrogant, thieving, mournful in mind, constantly striving to do nasty things?

[former soldier]

Quote: Eug

each killed and wounded has relatives, friends, acquaintances, i.e. the number of disloyal will only increase ....

Nonsense. The GDR was quite loyal, but what a war it was. Human memory is short, children want to love to give birth, etc. ... and not fight for some ideas of independence. I'm more afraid that our government will invest too much in the liberated territories. And again from the Ukrainian expanses it will rush: "give, give, they must give us" ...

[Nickelium]

If the liberated territories are just regions, then in a couple of decades there will be no Ukrainians there. An example is the Kursk, Oryol, Belgorod regions, where there are many people with Ukrainian surnames, but a tiny number consider themselves Ukrainians.

[Okakakiev]

In general, it is convenient if the Ukrainians bring reservists to broken positions. They've already been shot.

[Alexey-74]

It seems to be a correct analysis, but the question remained on the agenda - what to do in this situation? How long will the SVO last? Or according to the proverb "When the donkey dies, or padishah"? It is clear that the West and NATO will support Ukraine, but Russia needs to take concrete actions now, the ultimate goal of the special operation should be clear

[spectr]

It is difficult to say how long the NWO will last. Tightening also has its advantages, but how much they outweigh the disadvantages is not clear. Now, in fact, there is a grinding of all those whom the existing regime of Ukraine has managed to brainwash. Somewhere with guns and bombs, and somewhere, maybe specialists, without trial or investigation, remove the most presumptuous, because. war will write everything off. In the case of a fast company, too many "partisans" and "sleeper agents" could remain. Of course, they still exist, but in the course of the SVO, their number has certainly decreased noticeably.

[gromit]

From a lot of jars in the article, and from the "common people" and from the "overly patriotic public."
Another interesting passage - "there are almost a million people in the ranks, and several battles of Stalingrad are needed to grind such a mass of Bandera" . So the one who is not with us, that Bandera? And then who are we? Red flags on the uniforms of volunteers and Dnrovites are covered up on TV ....

[took the]

An attempt to justify our failures. Slowing down the operation is not beneficial to us. The West will not get tired, and can help Kyiv endlessly. They have more resources. We need mobilization to create a superiority of forces in the infantry. Miracles don't happen. In the minority, it is impossible to attack and control the occupied territory.

[Nickelium]

We are not interested in its completion in the near future. About the fact that the West will not get tired-nonsense. The West is not homogeneous. France, Germany and the Niders didn’t get into Urine. The USA and the Britons, let them blow their own tune. But they will eventually merge.
As for the fact that they have more resources, well, just the opposite. Resources flow away from them like sand through their fingers. And the longer this bodyaga lasts, the more critical their situation will be.
Well, tell it to the scarlet uniforms that captured India. How many Hindus and Muslims were there? We have a border with the Sumerians. We have the ability to transfer reserves, and not sail across the Indian Ocean.

[AlexHafele]

Oui. Tu as reason

[took the]

Mobilization does not mean a thoughtless offensive and filling up with corpses. On the contrary, it creates conditions for victories with fewer losses.

[tone]

I was embarrassed to ask immediately how much such a custom article costs, I thought they would erase it. But people write, so don't let those in power think that all idiots are fools.

[Knell wardenheart]

First of all, the Russian army receives more dividends from the prolongation of hostilities than the Ukrainian one.

I don't see any dividends from delay. One way or another, the personnel structure suffers losses and gets tired corny, the mobile resource of the LDNR is melting and also exhausted. The expected support from the PRC is still a mirage. As before, there is a combo that is inconvenient for us, combining politics-economics and military expediency, preventing the military of the Russian Federation from acting, but practically not interfering with the operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, despite the rising gas prices, other gesheft from trade with the EU is falling, relations are "breaking the bottom" and one package of sanctions follows another. The delay in the NMD leads to the establishment of a more developed position of NATO on this situation, the deployment of additional forces by them "under the guise" of what is happening, the denunciation of some formal or informal agreements, again, under the pretext of what is happening.
The delay allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only to carry out mobilizations, but also to train those mobilized and also to train specialists "in advance", in cooperation with Western states. I mean, first of all, that they have plenty of time to master Western technology not in a time pressure situation, but for the future (this specifically applies to artillery systems, long-range missile systems, air defense, Western-made aircraft, and the same Javelins and UAV).
The industry of Western states surpasses the industry of the Russian Federation, the total share of arms sales in Western countries is greater than the share of the Russian Federation - the economies of Western countries collectively are also much larger than the Russian economy. If a decision is made to "squeeze" the situation in Ukraine, all this will, to one degree or another, work for this task - and this means that at some point, in the event of a delay, the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will approach the equipment of the RF Armed Forces, at least on which - some local areas.
Which is also unlikely to benefit us.

The calculation that the stretching of the SVO plays into our hands for moral reasons (overworking the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) also seems doubtful to me. We have not yet devoted enough forces to the disorganization of the rear (probably for political and humanitarian reasons), this gave the enemy the opportunity to make full use of agitprop to "pump" the population into a total war. As the GG example shows, after such a pumping, if you throw firewood on the fire, the population can be ready for sacrifices for at least a few years.

In general, I VERY hope that all this will be resolved before spring, otherwise, IMHO, trends that are not beneficial to us will grow.

[Alexander_Dneprovsky]

But such is the existing status quo, and nothing can be done about it

It's even possible. And a lot of effective things, even without resorting to partial military mobilization.
First of all, to increase the quality of management and organization of the Armed Forces.
There is not enough personnel - 500s from the beginning of the NWO under the article or to the front, a target recruitment of repairmen, logistics, etc.
In military technical terms, there is a lot to be done, for this it will be necessary to partially mobilize civilian industry.

First of all, the Russian army receives more dividends from the prolongation of hostilities than the Ukrainian one.

Everything goes according to plan. US plan. "Significantly weaken the military and economic potential." And this is up to the refusal of nuclear weapons and the division of the Russian Federation!

The economic situation in the country exceeds all expectations of domestic and foreign experts

For the first time in many years, there is a deficit in the budget of the Russian Federation. What will happen when Europe stops buying oil and the effect of other sanctions and huge costs from the NWO accumulates?

[gromit]

What will be the quality of the servicemen driven under the threat of arrest?
If the 500th chose to refuse high payments, just to escape from the front, then having driven him under the threat of arrest, he can be deprived of any moral attitudes.
What will such warriors do in the liberated territories? Looting, agreements and even direct target designation to the enemy in exchange for the security of their own positions.
People are already dehumanized in war, and such a contingent will decompose the army instantly.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Another article in which the opinion is adjusted to the situation, and not an attempt to soberly assess the situation at the front.

[t200404]

Honestly, I'm tired of the wording about fraternal people - there is no such thing in principle, there are either those who are ready to be with you or enemies.

[Alexey Lantukh]

That's for sure. What does brotherly people mean? How is this determined? In addition, in our time, siblings separated by the border with Ukraine often have opposing opinions on the Northeast Military District.

[single-n]

Nothing, nothing. In Europe there were also thirty-year wars. Why are we any worse?

[Nickelium]

There was the Hundred Years' War.

[air wolf]

Stop trending nonsense, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and Northern Military District responds with their heads, PSM is always in your pocket...

[AlexHafele]

A stable front does not contribute to reducing losses of personnel and equipment. But these losses cannot be compared with those that will happen when the allied forces launch a large-scale offensive

Well, does that mean it still helps?
Or did I misunderstand something? Or is it that the author has a contradiction in two sentences?

[Alexey Lantukh]

In general, large-scale offensives last for weeks or several months, and not for years on the defensive. And it is still unknown where the losses will be greater.

[User_neydobniu]

Losses of personnel, equipment and civilians do not play special significance in the minds of such “conquerors”

Oh, as it turns out, now the author has no losses and the Donbass, Crimea, Bryansk and Kursk regions are not shelled every day, the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is not shot (which can lead to such casualties that even the Chernobyl nuclear power plant pales in comparison)
But the Russian Federation should not attack, for me the author is a real ukrophile

[trophy]

The article is rubbish. My my chimney sweep, clean clean clean clean. The chimney sweep will be CLEAN.

[Glagol1]

For some reason, all the authors believe that the West may abandon Ukraine at some point. This will never happen. The 404th is the trump card of the West in the anti-Russian deck of cards they play with. Who would throw such a card out of the deck?!
They will cling to her until the last. They poured so much effort and money into it - and quit? I think the current crisis will last for a very long time and there are no simple solutions. But we definitely need to take away access to the sea from the 404th territory.

[danil23518]

What kind of “brotherly people”? There are not and never have been any brothers there. With rare exceptions. There have always been these pigs, accustomed to freebies and hating Russians.

[Negro]

What does the overly patriotic Russian public want from the special operation?

Overly patriotic? Well, the expressions are gone.

Alarming.

[Fima]

I will quote a fragment of an interview of one writer (Brazilian, Jorge Amado) with another Portuguese-speaking writer about the situation in the country, from whose capital the constellation “Southern Cross” was visible, and yes, there WAS a Union then.

“What about the Cubans?” the writer Fernando Namora asked me in Lisbon. “Do they treat them with sympathy?”
- I wouldn’t say so.
“They don’t like the so-called liberators,” Namora says with deep conviction. “From liberator to conqueror is one step, one step of a soldier’s boots.”
And it is very important to protect ALL lives.

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from Fima

It is very important to protect ALL lives.

beret zizn wragow eto wersina predatelstwa beret zizn swoih ​​soldat i statskih eto prjamaja objazannost komandirow i politykow

[Alexey_Kalashnikov]

Firstly, it’s good that the VO editors are promoting the topic of delaying the SVO. This topic obviously worries everyone. Thanks to the editors.
Secondly, the author Evgeny Fedorov obviously failed to cope with this topic. I'm not alone here - just read the comments. Perhaps it should be continued by someone else. But it is necessary to continue.
Thirdly, our general discussions in the comments are quite chaotic, unstructured, often petty and too emotional. But the SVO is not a football match, and in the administrations of either Zelensky or Putin, we have no friends. The Russian Federation is the same capitalist predator as Ukraine. It is incorrect to equate the Northern Military District with the Patriotic War.

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Negro

Overly patriotic? Well, the expressions are gone.

dla wlasowcew wsja RKKA crezmenno patriotycna byla

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from Gromit

What will be the quality of military personnel rounded up under threat of arrest?

1.takoje kak w srafbatah WOW! etyh predatelej mozna ze scupom na minnoje pola gnat po 1 dnewnoj sapernoj podgotowke instinctt samohranenja zastawit trusa kacestweno miniy ustranjat
2. snajperskij dozor neobhodim stob wragu trusy ne sdalis

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from: User_neydobniu

But the Russian Federation should not attack, for me the author is a real ukrophile

soglasen ego nado najti i nakazat so wsej strogostoj zakona

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from Kuziming

not a military operation, but some kind of political special operation.

1.snacala eto byla specoperacja diplomatow i razwedki wojsko tolko dla ispuga wweli nadejalis na putc w kiewe.no inorazwedki ne promorgaly
2. MI 6 hwastaetsa prowerenym i horoso informowannym istocnikom w Kremle wozmozno ne wrut

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Sergey Kuzmin

With these “information front fighters”

1.takih ideologiceskih diwersantow obezwredjat kontrazwedke ustawom polozeno
2 uze wremja otmenit nelepyj i wrednyj moratorij na smertnuju kazn.
3. awtora stati place w strafbate na fronte pust winu otkupit

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Stirbjorn

The author would at least give examples of such successful long-term confrontations, otherwise his logic does not convince at all

w mirowoj istorii odin 100 letnaja wojna Anglii z Francjej Anglija pobezdala w srazenjah, wojna okoncilas kompromisom wygodnym Francji a 20 lat pozdneje w Anglii wspyhnula mezdousobojnica primer poucitelnyj i dla Rosji pesymisticnyj

[Andre]

Everything is happening correctly, slowly wait for the green stuff to fall off. Then the goblins will have nowhere to hide and the losses will be huge and they will run away very quickly.

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Taimen

, transplant the entire fifth column regardless of their faces, stop looking back at their “dear partners,” etc.

na kakoj sazat i kormit wsju 5 kolonnu w razhod

[Baron pardus]

There are no words for AFFTAR. Only swear words. Prolonging the war only plays into the hands of Khokhloschweinen and INCREASES the losses of your army. Especially as more and more weapons come in for the bander thieves. And not old Soviet stuff, but rather modern. Like, for example, silent Polish mortars. Like, for example, MILAN ATGM. This is not a Javelin, and anyone familiar with ATGMs guided by SACLOS will easily master MILAN. Your warehouses and command posts and airfields don’t just “pop” and “spontaneously combust”, however, the BC on your ships also “Spontaneously combusts” for a reason. That is, the LONGER THE WAR, THE GREATER THE LOSSES. Even banal sanitary ones. Even banal accidents - someone, for example, was run over by a truck in the turmoil at the front. No war was won by dragging it out. Thus the wars WAS LOSS. Aggressive, assertive military actions do not mean “Taking the city by the anniversary date”, the author falls into anti-communism and anti-Sovietism, slides into banal Goebbels propaganda of the “filled up with corpses” type, and, as you know, an anti-Soviet is ALWAYS a Russophobe.
“Win with Slowness” simply doesn’t work. I repeat, our army destroyed Iraq IN A MONTH. Fully. And what, our guys also took cities for “Anniversaries and Dates”? No. But a quick war is a guarantee of low losses. Your Army has forgotten EVERYTHING it knew how to do. All the lessons of the Great Patriotic War have been forgotten. All the lessons of all wars are also forgotten. Even Moltke’s behest - to concentrate not on enemy territory but on the enemy army - has been forgotten. Try to win a chess battle not by destroying your opponent's pieces, but by “squeezing” them off the board. Nothing will work out. And now it doesn’t work. The longer you pull the cat by the tail (it hurts him), the more modern weapons and equipment (NVGs) Banderlogs will receive. And you already have problems with their DRGs. And the more your airfields, warehouses, command posts, and troop concentration areas will “spontaneously combust.” the author understands military affairs about the same as I understand ballet - that is, nothing at all. Did Suvorov “drag out” the war a lot? Did Frederick the Great “delay” the war for a long time? Alexander of Makendo, Oda Nobunaga, Takeda Shingen, Napoleon. Did they drag out the war? The WEAKEST drags out the war in order to make the enemy’s victory as expensive as possible. Deplete his resources and cause losses even while losing. And your Head of the Reindeer Herder of the Whole Country, apparently, plays for the Khokhlobanderites.
Did Guderian and Rommel drag out the conflicts a lot? And Stalin? And Rokosovsky? And Zhukov? But now you have neither Stalin, nor Guderian, nor Rokosovsky, nor Takeda Shingen. Even Vatutin and Budyonny were not brought in. Budyonny was at least a combat cavalryman, and not a reindeer herder. What kind of MOS is this - a reindeer herder?
Prolonging the conflict is a direct path to great losses, human and material, and to defeat. Naturally, your unfortunate under-generals and under-admirals will also declare defeat “PEREMOGY,” like the Japanese who teach children that “The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a blessing, since it allowed us to end the war.”

[runway-1]

First, The Russian army receives more dividends from prolonging military operations than the Ukrainian one. Of course, the situation is not ideal, and it would be much more joyful now to watch our army in Kyiv on Khreshchatyk than in the fierce battles for Avdeevka. But this is the existing status quo, and nothing can be done about it. In principle, it is possible to throw tens and hundreds of thousands of soldiers into battle, regardless of losses. But, as the realities of the special operation showed, never before have the lives of Russian military personnel been so valued as in Ukraine and, possibly, Syria.

They say that the textbooks stated the opposite about the slow offensive...

[odisey3000]

I just can’t understand some of our softness, so to speak, tolerance towards enemies. For example, mercenaries were caught, tried, sentenced to death according to the law of the LPR and DPR, all the debates ended, they shot and notified the entire world community about this. Look at the number of thirsty people shoot the Russians down. It’s wild when Ukrainian troops shoot at the peaceful infrastructure of cities and villages. they are killing civilians, and we are chewing snot again. Okay, the Russian army is fighting for world peace, well, let it fight. Announce that the Russian Federation, at the request of the workers of these republics, seeing the grief and death of civilians, is forced to transfer long-range artillery systems, such as hurricanes and tornadoes, tornadoes, military personnel of the people's militia, so that they can defend themselves in self-defense and that's it. The guys from the republics will not tremble in their hand to strike at, maybe people don't need to, but at substations, bridges, and other critical infrastructure facilities. Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov. Nikolaev and other Ukrainian cities. Let them beat with all their hearts and never mind that our servicemen will be the gunners, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. The effect will be terrible. They announced the murder of a girl on Russian territory, tomorrow in the suburbs of Kiev a car exploded with figures of the SBU. People, think about it, we are at war with Ukraine and pumping gas through its territory and probably also pay Ukraine money for this, a madhouse. There must be a strict economic blockade, do we really not feel sorry for our guys, light should be given to the Ukrainians twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening. Where do they get fuel for military equipment, why do they still have oil depots, oil is the blood of war. Well, MGT figures will come to the nuclear power plant and what will they decide, naive people. They shoot through the reservoir, everyone knows where, early In the morning our special forces flew there and massacred everyone. Listening to Shoigu’s next bullshit about the reasons for the slowdown of the operation, you begin to understand that he is a builder at heart and will continue to be a builder; his psychology is not military, where the Zhukovs, Rokossovskys, Chernyakhovskys are not the same, unfortunately. We, that is, our state cannot conduct military operations for a long time in the form in which our enemies are forcing war on us. We need to use our advantages more effectively and impose our will on the Ukrainians, I will use all levers of pressure, military, economic, political. We cannot delay this problem, soon elections.

[Rorshah]

I just can’t understand our kind of softness, so to speak, tolerance towards our enemies. For example, mercenaries were caught, tried, sentenced to death according to the law of the LPR and DPR, all the debates ended, they shot and notified the entire world community about this.

Well, there are Russians in captivity, too. What if they are shot in retaliation?

[Alexey Lantukh]

War is a terrible phenomenon. Okay, tankers, pilots, they are going towards the enemy in some kind of box. What about the infantry? How does an infantryman feel when going on the attack? For motherland for Stalin? I have never heard patriotic slogans from veterans of our country who actually fought. Rare people volunteer to fight in the infantry and these are truly brave people. So, it is impossible to do without at least partial mobilization. And an eye for an eye is correct, but it must be applied precisely.

[tsvetahaki]

First of all, the Russian army receives more dividends from the prolongation of hostilities than the Ukrainian one.

Very controversial statement.
However, we can return to the discussion when the training of Ukrainian military contingents in Romania and Britain is completed, as well as the training of pilots (already paid for) F15/16, and the delivery of all this to the battlefield.

[Nickelium]

What's the point of coming back? The trainees will become new meat, well, unless they turn into Clark Kents.

[AC130 Gunship]

It seems to me that the modern concept of warfare, which was taught to generals at the General Staff Academy, did not assume a ground front several hundred kilometers wide. Today, WW2 tactics and equipment mainly developed from the 60s and 70s are used.
The idea of ​​a large-scale offensive operation on foreign territory, as far as I understand, was not spelled out in the military doctrine of our time. We (it was a long time ago) were taught in the army that our doctrine is defensive.

[Altmann]

The article is really well written or intelligent. I feel sorry for the young people on the front line, even if they don't attack, they have losses. However, I have read the discussion carefully and there are many valid opinions that disagree with the author of the article. What can you do, you probably know these words well. I would only add that nothing is won where the pawn's boot does not enter..... kam nevstoupí bota pěšáka!

[DrtFd]

Quote: Konnick

We can’t even interfere with the supply of the advanced units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and what can we say about the long-range Nimers,

as many as 8 khimars. there were 16 left 8. oh oh how scary PPC superweapon
within a month they could not destroy 1 bridge. ONE SKA BRIDGE COULD NOT DESTROY YOUR SUPER WEAPON IN A MONTH, which you pray to like a death star

We can’t interfere with supplies; every day we blow up warehouses in the rear

Ukrobot, log out.

God, what a dump topvar has turned into, the cartoon is accelerating everywhere about the army, it couldn’t help, Putin is a traitor, etc.
either schoolchildren liberals or ukrobots

full circus with clowns

[Illanatol]

Quote from tsvetahaki

However, we can return to the discussion when the training of Ukrainian military contingents in Romania and Britain ends,

How did the training of the Afghan army by American instructors end?

“Why don’t you guys sit down, you’re all not fit to be musicians...”

[wladimirjankov]

there is nothing good in delaying the SVO and standing in one place for six months now. We ourselves give the initiative to our enemies. We give them time to recover, regroup, strengthen their positions, etc. We created comfortable conditions for them for supplies and increased reserves. We almost do not touch their communications, we have not destroyed communications, Internet, TV, radio. The population of Ukrainian cities and towns does not experience any problems with food; they have electricity, heat, water, businesses and restaurants operate. the shops. For the majority of them, war is something distant and does not affect them. But it should be the other way around if we want to win and achieve our goals. The top Banderaites and the entire population must experience at least discomfort so that their consciousness becomes adequate and negotiable. To do this, our army, if it exists of course, must free its hands to show how to really fight, without white gloves and other humanitarian crap. And the loyalty of the population will come after our unconditional victory over the Nazis and the subsequent many years of washing their distorted consciousness.

[kakvastam]

the front has only moved to the west, and there will only be more targets for the notorious HIMARS.

The author calls for a retreat to the border in order to reduce the number of targets for highmars to zero?

It's time to pass a law to protect owls from senseless violence!

[Altmann]

I like the article, the author analyzed army issues quite cogently, but there are indeed unreasonable voices in the discussion. After a victorious war, it is necessary to attract the Ukrainians to your side, otherwise you will wage a guerrilla war, and probably no one wants this.