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Stalin and the "children"

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Stalin and the "children"Recently, articles somehow related to the period of Stalin’s rule appear on the site like mushrooms after rain. It seems that the mushroom season has long ended ... Although ... Autumn is still in full swing. Therefore, the author decided to move in the trend of a topic that is gaining popularity. True, the discussion here is not so much about the leader, but about those whom I have designated with the word "children", although these are all adults. For various reasons, they feed to Comrade. Stalin is a true sons love and nostalgically talking about those times and orders. Of course, some of them admit that the father of all nations was harsh and not always fair. Because the number of specific traces left by the leader during a showdown with those who did not want to go to a brighter future or offered to go to him in a roundabout way, it is impossible to hide, if they wanted to. No, we come back again in those years, then there would be no particular problems. Everyone would know for sure: there are no tracks! And if someone continued to doubt, then the well-known principle would come into effect: "He who is not with us is against us!" And what is the further logic of the development of their fate? All the same rules: the enemy must be destroyed. But, fortunately for those who do not burn with their sons' love for Stalin, there is no time machine and, in the near future, is not foreseen. True, looking at the growing activity of his "children", you understand that they are working hard on this problem. And yet, speaking of them, you should not lump everyone together. They differ among themselves. And here I would like to highlight three main groups.

The first and most numerous. These are people who position themselves as patriots, who believe that at that time certain excesses were made, but the industrialization and the need to prepare for war justify to some extent these sacrifices. That is, everything is within the framework of the proverb: "the wood is being cut down - the chips are flying." That they live at that time, could themselves be in the role of "chips", they prefer not to think. In assessing the repression of that time, these people rely on the assessments of those historians who do not shock their imagination. Refer to this source. This is V. Zemskov. In the article “The Gulag (Historical and Sociological Aspect),” the historian provides more detailed data: “... in reality, the number of convicted for political reasons (for“ counterrevolutionary crimes ”) in the USSR from 1921 to 1953, i.e. for 33 of the year, it was about 3,8 million people. ”“ In February, 1954, ”appears later in the text, - a certificate was signed in the name of NS Khrushchev, signed by the USSR Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, USSR Minister of Internal Affairs Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K. Gorshenin, who called the number of convicts for counter-revolutionary crimes from 1921 to February 1 1954. In total, the OGPU Board, the troika of the NKVD, the Special Council, the Military Collegium, by the courts and military tribunals 3 777 380 man in Isle to capital punishment - 642 980, to detention in labor camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2 369 220, in exile and expulsion - 765 180 people. "

I note that the number of deaths from starvation 1932-1933 and 1946-1947 does not appear here. Here is an assessment of the repression of historians N.G. Okhotin and A.B. Roginsky: “” if the concept of repression is defined narrowly - as repression of state security organs on political charges, “then, with minor inaccuracies, the number of repressed in the period from 1921 to 1953 will be about 5,5 million people”. If they include “different types of deportees who died from artificial hunger and were killed during provoked conflicts ... and those children who were not born due to the fact that their prospective parents were repressed or starved to death”, then the number of victims will increase by an order of magnitude. "

But back to this category of "children" of Stalin. In my opinion, the rejection of criticism of that period, namely Stalin’s repressions, they associatively associate with the criticism of the socialist system and their homeland - the USSR. Moreover, this associative relationship is actively supported by "conductors", which will be discussed below. Moreover, critics of repression receive the stigma of the “dermokrats,” the “hirelings of the Zionists and the Anglo-Saxons,” or, at best, the “Orangemen.” In principle, everything is in the ideology of those times.

The second, less numerous group. They, to a greater extent than the rest, associate the name of Generalissimo Stalin with the victory in the Great Patriotic War, they believe that it was Stalin who was the “banner” for which people were going to their deaths. Personally, I doubt that this is true. People defended their country, their families, their right to life, the right to life of their children. The fact that rising to the attack, shouted "For Stalin! For the Motherland!" Does not mean that for each of them Stalin was in the first place, and the Motherland in the second. This category of Stalin’s “children” is perhaps the most fanatical in adoring the father of nations. They do not want to hear about the Stalinist repression in general. And do not associate the failure of the initial stage of the war with repression in the Red Army.

"Among the leading figures of the Red Army, those who defended progressive views and advocated the earliest possible equipping of the army were repressed. aviation и fleet the latest military equipment. As a result of the struggle of Stalin with the "enemies of the people" in 1937-1940, all the commanders of the districts were replaced, the chiefs of staff of the districts and deputy commanders were updated by 90%, the composition of the corps and divisions was updated by 80%, and 90% of commanders and chiefs of staff. The consequence of the bloody purge was a sharp decrease in intellectual potential in the army and navy. By the beginning of 1941, only 7,1% of commanding officers had higher military education, 55,9% secondary, 24,6% accelerated education (courses), 12,4% of commanders and political workers did not have a military education. "

The retreat of the summer of 1942, was the result, first of all, of the decisions of the Supreme Commander himself.

Here is what D. Volkogonov writes in the book "Triumph and Tragedy. Political Portrait of IV Stalin":
“Stalin did not take into account that the concentration of enemy troops on narrower sectors of the front, concentrating them where the Supreme Commander did not expect, would again put the Red Army in a critical situation, although less dangerous than in the previous year. But even now, having broken through the front in several places, the enemy was able to advance 500-650 kilometers (almost two times less than in 1941). Next year, the spatial success of the Germans will be only two or three dozen kilometers ... But the offensive outburst of the German troops in the summer of 1942, we were not able to extinguish and hold back in advance, because Stalin overestimated his own strength and all the time insisted on carrying out at least private offensive operations. And only thanks to major strategic movements of troops, they managed to stop the enemy at the Volga. ”


I was always interested in the question, why all the nostalgia for the times of the USSR comes down only to the praise of Stalin and his merits and, most importantly, to an attempt to justify his repression? Why aren't we talking about post-Stalin stories country? Do not discuss its achievements and problems? It is probably very beneficial for someone to reduce all patriotism and achievements of the USSR only to the times of Stalin and to his cult. And here we come to the third group of his "children." I would call this group not even Stalin’s “children”, but “puppeteers”. They regularly raise the topic of Stalin and try to justify the repression unleashed against his people. It is from their submission that international disputes begin in discussions. Why is this being done, what goals are pursued by them, what threatens it with multinational and multi-religious Russia? Are there any historical parallels in their "struggle"?

"Puppets"

To begin with, they use the situation in their own interests. The loss of the country, the transition from one economic system to another, the stratification of society, bureaucratic arbitrariness and a number of other reasons, created in the society a sufficient number of people nostalgic for the past. The existing "democratic" opposition, financed from abroad, only adds to those who want to return to the good old days.

And now, who is trying to use human discontent, slipping us a brilliant leader and justifying his methods of restoring order?
These people call themselves fighters against Judaism, repudiating the definition of anti-Semites. They argue their position that the Semites are a whole group of peoples and they are not even against Jews in general, but against their religion. Let's see what Judaism is by definition.

"Judaism, Judaism (ancient-Greek Ἰουδαϊσμός)," Jewish religion "(from the name of the tribe of Judah, which gave the name to the kingdom of Judah, and then, starting from the era of the Second Temple (516 BC - 70 AD) , became the common name of the Jewish people - Hebrew. יהודה) - the religious, national and ethical worldview of the Jewish people, one of the oldest monotheistic religions of mankind. " That is, it is one of the many (there are 20 religions that have half a million people in their ranks) religions.

Can religion by definition be "bad" or "good"? And what is religion? There are several definitions. Here is one of them.
“Religion is a special form of awareness of the world, conditioned by belief in the supernatural, including a set of moral norms and types of behavior, rituals, religious activities, and uniting people in organizations (church, religious community).”

So what are these people blaming Judaism? Their main claim is the question of the "chosenness" of the Jewish people.

Here is what G.V. Sinilo, Associate Professor, Head of the Department of Cultural Studies of the BSU writes about this:
“The idea of ​​the chosen people became in the anti-Semitic propaganda a source of accusations of the Jewish people and even the Bible itself of“ racism ”. However, such an approach is groundless and vulgar, because racism in all its manifestations is only an ominous parody of the biblical idea of ​​being chosen, which has nothing in common with racism. First, the Bible, like Judaism and Christianity based on it, comes from the idea of ​​the unity of the human race, of the origin of all peoples from the same ancestors (see the Torah), of the equality of all nations before God (especially clearly this idea is developed in prophetic books). The Jewish idea of ​​the chosen people has only a religious and spiritual meaning and does not carry anything related to "blood and soil". "


But does Judaism "sin" with this? Didn't other religions use this idea? It turns out yes. Quote by the same author. “The idea of ​​God's chosenness was accepted and transformed by the Christian Church. According to the Christian concept established in the Middle Ages, the mission of Israel as an elected people ended with the birth of Jesus Christ from its midst; "Israel in the flesh," that is, the Jewish people, is rejected by God, and the "Christian Church" is the "true Israel," the "Israel in spirit."

Is it not possible, if desired, the basic credo of Islam "There is no God but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad" also declare a claim to the chosen one?
Religion undoubtedly has an ideological impact on a person and, accordingly, on his actions. Therefore, at all times there were those who tried to use religion for their own purposes. This is what serves as the basis for various types of religious extremism. And it doesn’t matter what you profess. Therefore, let me conclude. There are no bad religions, there are bad interpreters who are trying to use religious and national differences.

Now about whether Russia needs an idea based on inciting religious and, as a result, ethnic discord? Will it strengthen our country? Who will be next on the list? Are there certain historical parallels with Nazi Germany? Remember who started there ...

By answering these questions, it becomes clear why the "puppeteers" are so actively promoting precisely Stalin's times.
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  1. bask
    bask 18 October 2012 07: 36
    +14
    By the end of the post-war 48 year, there were no homeless children in the USSR !!! Everyone was either in boarding schools or in Suvorov schools. What would .... be done now with shit. Full ........... c IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH Stalin was rightfully the best friend of children !!! Smorg did for 3 years .. He answered for everything and didn’t bring anyone down !!! Learn from Stalin modern rulers. Not ..... I .. nothing learn ,, small intestine ,,,
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 18 October 2012 09: 33
      +5
      so yes, now there are more homeless children than they were after the great Patriotic war
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 18 October 2012 09: 35
      +12
      The truth will have to be searched for a long time, it is definitely difficult to determine Stalin's benefactor or tyrant, but what can not be done is to blacken this entire period of Russian history. It seems to me that this is done purposefully, so that the next generations would have negative feelings for this period of time, but this was the period of the Great Victory! And they try to keep silent! This can not be allowed, here you can see the ears of modern liberals, bending the western line to the decomposition of Russia.
      1. Slayer
        Slayer 18 October 2012 11: 27
        +8
        As I have already said, Stalin for a short time created from a country lagging behind in many respects into a great superpower with the strongest capacities and advanced technologies. Many will begin to say repressions and all that, but permissible links to Siberia were simply necessary, since the richest region was completely uninhabited, and no one would go there voluntarily, so they searched for reasons to send them there, but now it is a densely populated region that feeds all of Russia, and he did everything he did for the good of the country, although he agreed some methods were terrible, but it was either very rapid development, so to speak, in blood, or a colony and raw materials appendage of other countries. By the way, all sorts of Chubais ruined more people and everything for the sake of their feed
        1. postman
          postman 19 October 2012 17: 16
          -3
          Quote: Slayer
          Stalin in a short time created from a country lagging behind in many respects into a great superpower

          The people created.


          Quote: Slayer
          Many will say repression and all that, but permissible links to Siberia were simply necessary,


          And what if you, your children and parents are appointed to the role of this "necessary human material (expendable")?

          WHY IN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES SETTLEMENT OF TERRITORIES, DEVELOPMENT OF "NORTHERN" ROADS, SPACES, TECHNICAL RE-EQUIPMENT AND INDUSTRIALIZATION passed without rivers of blood and cemeteries?
          What kind of masochism is it to demand, want, and desire to have "iron fists"?

          Quote: Slayer
          All sorts of Chubais

          Their court of history is still waiting
      2. tambourine 2012
        tambourine 2012 18 October 2012 15: 18
        +1
        ShturmKGB, people who have done nothing and understand their worthlessness need to justify their presence in power, for this we have to say that it used to be even worse and cover up the lack of facts with heartbreaking stories about millions of tortured
      3. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 18 October 2012 15: 26
        -3
        http://demotivation.me/ijbh031x41kvpic.html
        looking at shots from Ukraine - it becomes clear that in terms of repression from Comrade Stalin had flaws!
        And looking at our Duma and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is a desire to arrange purges!
        by the way about "you can see the ears of modern liberals bending" here are two videos
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-sEhX4ygQ&feature=related
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAuCc06AaBU&feature=related
        Now find yourself who is "a liberal aimed at decay."
        1. 12Ural12
          12Ural12 18 October 2012 22: 03
          +3
          Not only from Ukraine, from the Baltic states, the Caucasus, etc., and most importantly from Moscow.
          They did not give to clean up the country - they killed.
          1. Piligrim
            Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 25
            -2
            Start cleaning yourself - shoot yourself! laughing
            1. 8 company
              8 company 19 October 2012 11: 06
              +2
              Quote: Pilgrim
              Start cleaning yourself - shoot yourself!


              His gut is thin, that is to convey to a neighbor or colleague that he does not like the leader — this is the highest valor among the Stalinists.
    3. ughhh
      ughhh 18 October 2012 11: 09
      +11
      And I, too, would have arranged repressions, by the way. The Far East and Siberia would populate. All kinds of unemployed liberals, homosexuals, drug addicts, homeless people, all kinds of repeat offenders - all to settle in the tundra. You see, at least there would be benefit. Cities would be built for me and infrastructure.
      Someone would be shot. For bribes, especially for drugs. Addiction would have won in a week.
      During post-perestroika times, the people died more than in the Second World War. And they consider all Stalin's corpses. Moreover, the population growth was positive. Despite millions brutally tortured, people got married and gave birth.
      The author is either a provocateur or does not see beyond his own nose.
      1. Joker
        Joker 18 October 2012 13: 24
        +5
        Someone would be shot. For bribes, especially for drugs. Addiction would have won in a week.

        In a week you would be shot wink and then their man would have sat in your place, now it’s very easy to do.
    4. raf
      raf 18 October 2012 11: 14
      -18
      IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN He was rightfully the best friend of children !!! Yes, especially those children whose parents rotted in the camps!
      1. ughhh
        ughhh 18 October 2012 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: raf
        Yes, especially those children whose parents rotted in the camps!

        digits, digits come on, or do not scribble in vain
        1. raf
          raf 18 October 2012 11: 34
          -1
          What numbers do you need?
          1. 8 company
            8 company 18 October 2012 16: 38
            +2
            What numbers do you need?,

            These ones:

            Help of the NKVD. From August 15, 1937 to the present, the Administrative Department carried out the following work:
            In total, 25 342 people were seized in the Union.
            of which:
            a) 22 427 people were sent to the orphanage of the People's Commissariat of Education and local nurseries.
            Of these, Moscow 1909 people.
            b) 2915 people were transferred to custody and returned to their mothers.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 19 October 2012 14: 41
              0
              Quote: Company 8
              Help of the NKVD.

              Again unconfirmed nonsense.
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 29
        0
        Quote: raf
        Yes, especially those children whose parents rotted in the camps!

        Yours there not "rot", for an hour, for anti-Soviet activities?
        1. raf
          raf 18 October 2012 11: 33
          -5
          No, they didn’t rot, I wasn’t in the world then!
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 43
            +1
            Quote: raf
            No, they didn’t rot, I wasn’t in the world then!

            Then how do you, the orange talker, know at least something about those times ?!
            They sat, would be silent in the nipple ... Liberastolyub!
            1. raf
              raf 18 October 2012 11: 53
              -3
              Well, here I got into the "liberalists", although I always spat in their direction! In addition, he also became an "orange talker", although he voted for Putin and scolded the "orange", by the way, on the same site! Just for people like you Fox 070, everyone who disagrees with your opinion is "radishes"!
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 18 October 2012 12: 05
                +2
                Quote: raf
                Just for people like you Fox 070, everyone who disagrees with your opinion is "radishes"!

                The point is not that you do not agree with MY opinion (I am not the ultimate truth), but the fact is that you agree with the RAINFUL opinion. And you didn’t confirm this your pearl about children with any links.
                It is intelligible ... hi
                1. raf
                  raf 18 October 2012 12: 37
                  -2
                  It is intelligible. But I did not understand what kind of links are we talking about?
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 October 2012 12: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: raf
                    did not understand what kind of links are we talking about?

                    ughhh (1) Today, 11:16 ↑ 2
                    Quote: raf
                    Yes, especially those children whose parents rotted in the camps!
                    digits, digits come on, or do not scribble in vain

                    It's about this comment. Do you remember?
                    1. raf
                      raf 18 October 2012 14: 31
                      0
                      And what are the links to well-known facts?
                    2. raf
                      raf 18 October 2012 16: 26
                      +1
                      You have persistently requested links. Maybe a copy of this document will suit you? February 1, 1954
                      To the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Comrade Khrushchev N.S.

                      In connection with the signals received by a number of persons from the CPSU Central Committee about the illegal conviction for counter-revolutionary crimes in previous years by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, the courts and military tribunals, and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review cases against convicted persons for counterrevolutionary crimes and currently held in camps and prisons, we report: during the period from 1921 to the present, 3.777.380 people have been convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes, including 642.980 people for VMN NIJ in camps and prisons for a period of 25 years and below - 2.369.220, in exile and expulsion - 765.180 people.

                      Of the total number of convicts, tentatively, the following were convicted: 2.900.000 people - by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika and the Special Conference and 877.000 people - by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium.

                      ... It should be noted that created by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of November 5, 1934, the Special Meeting at the NKVD of the USSR, which lasted until September 1, 1953, sentenced 442.531 people, including 10.101 people to VMN, to deprivation freedom - 360.921 people, to exile and expulsion (within the country) - 57.539 people and other penalties (offsetting the time spent in custody, expulsion abroad, compulsory treatment) - 3.970 people ...

                      Attorney General R. Rudenko
                      Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
                      Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 October 2012 16: 30
                        -2
                        raf,
                        You gave me a "copy" of the document that I posted below. About street children, please, about whom you spoke.
                      2. raf
                        raf 18 October 2012 16: 38
                        +1
                        I did not write about street children, I wrote about children whose parents rotted in the camps! Agree to these children would be better with parents than in the orphanage?
                    3. postman
                      postman 19 October 2012 17: 42
                      +1
                      Fox 070
                      raf
                      Sorry to interfere
                      =========================
                      Deaf born in years
                      The ways do not remember their own.
                      We are children of the terrible years of Russia -
                      Forget nothing. / A.A. Block.

                      In 1917, Lenin first used the Jacobin term "enemy of the people" as applied to political opponents.
                      In 1923, 65 concentration camps for convicted “enemies of the revolution” were created in the USSR.
                      1930s: abbreviation CSIR, which means "family member traitor". This stigma in itself was enough for arrests, exiles, camps, even execution.
                      1937-1938: “Enemy of the people”, “Son of the enemy of the people”, “Mother of the enemy of the people”.
                      1942: Decree of the State Committee of Defense of June 24, 1942 "On members of the families of traitors to the Motherland" was subject to arrest and exile in remote areas of the USSR for a term of five years by adult members of families of persons (military personnel and civilians) convicted by the judiciary or by the Special Conference of the NKVD of the USSR to capital punishment (execution) under Art. 58-1 “a” of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for treason to the Motherland in various forms. CSIR were considered: father, mother, husband, wife, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters, if they lived with him or her or were dependent on them at the time the crime was committed or at the time of mobilization in the army in connection with the outbreak of war.
                      In the lists of the rehabilitated villages of Gorki, most are children of those who were once declared an enemy of the people.
                      1942: 83 516 Germans arrived in exile in the Omsk Region, half of them were children. 1528 people were deported from Moldova, 961 - children. 8 854 special migrants were brought to fish factories of the Khanty-Mansiysk and Yamalo-Nenets okrugs, a significant part of which were children and adolescents.
                      The document “Updated information on the importation of special settlers to the enterprises of the Gosrybtrest of the Khanty-Mansiysk District as of October 1, 1944:“ ... 240 people were brought to the Sosvinsky fish factory, 29 of them were able-bodied men, 74 women, adolescents —23, children under 14 years old - 147; to the Nizhnevartovsk fish factory - total - 204, of which 29 are able-bodied men, 114 are women, adolescents - 21; children under 14 years old —74, in the Samarovsky Canning Combine - total —363, of which 40 were able-bodied men, 153 were women, adolescents —31, children under 14 years old - 109; to the Surgut cannery - a total of 145, of which 18 were able-bodied men, 53 were women, adolescents - 12, children under 14 years old - 43».
                      September 18, 1944, representatives of the lumber mill comrade Izmadenov and Yamalgosrybtrest comrade Klepikov drew up an “act on the reception of special resettles of the Kalmyks who arrived by the Kommist nist.” Altogether 72 people were accepted, of whom 29 were able-bodied. ” “As of September 1, 1945, there are 244 special migrants at the Gydoyamsk fish factory, of which 4 children3 ". In the Salekhard Canning Factory, the total number of migrants is 1029, of which 207 are able-bodied men, 398 are able-bodied women, 91 are disabled, children under 2 years old - 37, from 3 to 6 years old - 70, from 7 to 17 years old - 229 people"(Based on the materials of the district newspaper" Red North ".
                      ==== Enough? =============
                      Fox 070 -You are very disgusting with visitors. I apologize if I offended
                      Fox 070 [/ quote]
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 20 October 2012 09: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Postman
                        ==== Enough? =============
                        Fox 070 -You are very disgusting with visitors, I apologize if offended

                        And the link please ?! Or is it again "artistic" fiction?
                        And in order not to run into "another courtesy" try to support such "statements" with links and there will be peace and complete mutual understanding between us.
                      2. postman
                        postman 20 October 2012 12: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        A link, please!

                        a link to what, that you are disgusting?
                        ===========
                        You are somehow lazy (in one direction), all of them require links. Have you provided at least one document / link except agitation?
                        =======================

                        Order of the NKVD of the USSR of 20.05.1938 No. 00309 “On the elimination of distortions in the maintenance of children of repressed parents in orphanages”

                        Order of the NKVD of the USSR of July 30, No. 00447

                        http://you1917-91.narod.ru/vilenskiy_deti_gulaga.html

                        We are children of the terrible years of Russia ... / Comp. S.S. Kunyaev. - M .: Owls. Russia, 1991. - S.5-6.
                        Filing, clippings from the district newspaper "Red North", the regional newspaper "North Panorama"
                        Requiem: Poems by Russian Soviet poets / Comp. B. Romanova. - M.: Contemporary, 1989.
                        Encyclopedia for children. T. 5, part 3. History of Russia. 20th century / Comp. S.T. Ismailova. - M .: Avanta +, 1996.
                        Memoirs of the children of the repressed parents of the village of Gorki, Shuryshkarsky District, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug (Malkov, Yuri Yakovlevich, Horoshailo Valentina Matveevna, Gnusina Galina Matveevna, Sherstobitova Olga Nikolaevna, Stepanenko Ivan Samoylovich, Istomin Grigory Prokopyevich, Natalia Koploevich Lozhkina), Natalia Vasilievna Kogolina.
                        =======================

                        Stalin on the operational reporting A.I. Mikoyan: "Comrade. Mikoyan asks in order to cleanse Armenia from anti-Soviet elements to allow the additional execution of 700 people from Dashnaks and other anti-Soviet elements. I propose to shoot an additional 1500 people, and with a previously approved number of 2000 people. "

                        Quote: Fox 070
                        In the meantime, you are just a talker without a flag and a homeland, pouring mud on my country and my people and do not deserve another relationship. angry

                        Well, in your repertoire, you did not expect another from the thrasher.
                        So:
                        1.Not a chatterbox, there is a flag, there is a homeland and a debt to her (he gave it to his homeland)
                        2. This is not your country, and not your people.
                        3.MOST IMPORTANT:
                        My opinion (based on your comments and behavior): You are an OGPU granddaughters or great-granddaughters of those jackals who ruined the people of our country.
                        Therefore, then you do not deserve, just another, relationship.
                        Such as you were the executioners of our (and not "my", as you like to put it) people, you are brave in basements, against the handcuffed and just as bravely armed with Claudia from a virtual distance, sowing enmity, fear and hatred.
                        Carries from you an abomination of decay.
                        And you want one blood and power.
                      3. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 20 October 2012 13: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: Postman
                        a link to what, that you are disgusting?

                        Quote: Postman
                        Well, in your repertoire, you did not expect another from the thrasher.

                        Quote: Postman
                        Carries from you an abomination of decay.

                        I don’t even want to answer THIS, because insults in this case are a sign of your weakness and insolvency as an opponent.
                        And send links to fiction and personal correspondence to your relatives, this, perhaps, will amuse them. fool
            2. Piligrim
              Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 29
              0
              Well, you blather! although the same did not find those times, unfortunately! laughing
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 19 October 2012 11: 25
                -1
                Quote: Pilgrim
                Well, you blather!

                Brave pug? Oh well!
        2. Joker
          Joker 18 October 2012 13: 28
          +4
          Yours there not "rot", for an hour, for anti-Soviet activities?

          And who are yours? In the days of Stalin, they were often shot and planted for no reason. Your neighbor didn’t like you, you bought a TV for yourself, but he doesn’t, and you don’t invite him to watch, he went to the NKVD and wrote a letter to you, saying that I’m a neighbor, I saw him on Stalin’s portrait didn’t spit, they came to take you and without any ships to Siberia or shot, earlier all this was simply done.
        3. Konrad
          Konrad 18 October 2012 19: 51
          0
          Quote: Fox 070
          Yours there not "rot", for an hour, for anti-Soviet activities?

          Yes .. not all FOXs of Sharapov with Zhiglov were exhausted!
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 18 October 2012 20: 25
            +1
            Quote: Konrad
            Yes .. not all FOXs of Sharapov with Zhiglov were exhausted!

            Well, one certainly remained in an ambush, to lie down on a blockage with a carbine ... soldier Fatty ... hares shoot ...
        4. Piligrim
          Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 28
          0
          And your standing on the towers with machine guns !?
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 18 October 2012 11: 48
        +4
        And then tell me, why carry on anti-state activities if you want to be free and raise children? Yes, in any country you will not stand on ceremony for trying to destroy the existing way of life in society and criticism not confirmed by facts! In Soviet times, it was possible to freely criticize any shortcomings and problems in the system, if this makes it better, then they will only open all the doors for you! But for slander and fanning trouble, you are piled anywhere! Yes, maybe there were 10-20 percent of those mistakenly convicted, and this is bad, but it’s better to overtake than not to end up, when there can be many more victims!
        Nobody but Stalin at that time could keep the country from collapse, and its people from destruction! He was a man in his place, and in his time!
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 00
          +2
          Actually, criticism was never encouraged anywhere, but then they could at least listen if you offer something useful ...
          1. Ross
            Ross 18 October 2012 12: 49
            +2
            Well, the little article! We started for Stalin and ended with God's chosen people. As the author did not mask, but his ears stick out.
            1. Joker
              Joker 18 October 2012 13: 43
              +2
              As the author did not mask, but his ears stick out.

              For you, I would recommend reading the book by Grossman Life and Fate.
              1. the polar
                the polar 18 October 2012 21: 13
                +2
                [quote = Joker]

                In order to have an objective opinion, do not read artistic literature, but read the works of professional historians, for example, "Grover Ferr" Anti-Stalinist meanness. "The professional historian has devoted thirty years to the study of this topic
            2. arkady149
              arkady149 22 October 2012 16: 15
              0
              Quote: Ross
              As the author did not mask, but his ears stick out. Rather, pace.
        2. Joker
          Joker 18 October 2012 13: 41
          +6
          In Soviet times, one could freely criticize any shortcomings and problems in the system

          What are you laughing it is not necessary to idealize those times if it was possible to criticize and as Brother Sarych said
          then they could at least listen if you offer something useful.

          So what the hell was Vysotsky an underground singer? Stalin is undoubtedly a great man, but how can all people make mistakes, and his mistake was that he robbed a man of his freedom of speech in general and deprived him of his personality. Now look at the Stalin website, we would all be absolutely taken to Siberia to explore the vastness of our vast country. Enough to idealize, consider everything essentially without pretexts, but also without insults, too, many Americans laugh at the fact that they fake a story for themselves and believe that they won in all wars, so let's not embellish our story so that we don’t laugh at ourselves later It was necessary, of course, during the time of Stalin that our country was flourishing, there was a powerful army, culture, education, healthcare, but for this Stalin sacrificed the life of citizens, as they say the end justifies the means, I recently watched a video of how plants were built and under Stalin, shooting of those times is still, so God forbid you get to such a construction site, there are people in bast shoes, knee-deep in the mud jailing for days. Therefore, la la Stalin does not need a great leader, but in our time I would not want to see him as president. Who disagrees with me, let's discuss, I will only be glad.
          1. Slayer
            Slayer 18 October 2012 17: 28
            0
            Joker is here either gone or gone, the country was destroyed by a civil war and then by the domestic one, and if Stalin hadn’t taken tough measures then we would have gone right now in the mines for food for the good of the Anglo-Saxons, say in the presidents we wouldn’t want to see him right now, only now They chose Yeltsin, but he ruined many more souls, many such ruined souls are still crawling in a cesspool and are looking for where to figure out a bottle, and millions have long been in the grave. But Stalin didn’t do it all for himself, not from his sadistic thoughts, but it was necessary to save the nation and not just one but hundreds of nations living on the territory of the USSR, after his death, by the way, he only had 2 jackets and a cottage, current politicians that after death will remain, correctly billions of stolen from the people. Here you have a simple parallel who worked for the good of the homeland, and who works against it
          2. the polar
            the polar 18 October 2012 21: 21
            0
            Joker,
            "I recently watched a video of how factories were built under Stalin, filming of those times, so God forbid you to get to such a construction site, there are people in bast shoes, knee-deep in mud for days on end."
            -------------------------------
            What are you saying!

            Imagine that at that time there were no radio televisions, cellular telephones, walking excavators, and KAMAZs, ZILs and GASes also did not exist.
            There weren’t even enough gramophones!
            And they went to work on foot, because bus plants had not yet been built.
            And of course the villain Stalin is to blame for this. He worked poorly, did not keep up with the needs of the people.
        3. Konrad
          Konrad 18 October 2012 20: 00
          +1
          Quote: DEfindER
          why conduct anti-state activities

          What do you mean by anti-state activity? My grandfather, being on a business trip, passed his rations to his family with fellow pilots, there were hungry times. Arrested on charges of espionage in favor of England, "found out where Stalin's falcons were flying." Is this "anti-state" activity?
        4. postman
          postman 19 October 2012 17: 23
          +1
          Quote: DEfindER
          conduct anti-state activities,

          And there is evidence of the anti-state activities of the convicts.
          You read the protocols. Or even newspaper articles of those times.
          Yesterday I read: the feeling of zombies is no different (in style) from Nazi Germany.
          NORTH KOREA, it seems, and then multipolar.
      4. lotus04
        lotus04 18 October 2012 12: 13
        +5
        Quote: raf
        Yes, especially those children whose parents rotted in the camps!


        You haven't read Solzhenitsyn? Do you know that he is a dissident? And for what it was sent you do not know? Do you know who he is by nationality? And the Dulles doctrine from 1949. Have you read it? So don't talk about the "gullag"! Many people in the 90s were punished with this crap.
        1. raf
          raf 18 October 2012 12: 35
          0
          lotus04, what do you want to say that there were no camps? And that there was no repression? As for Solzhenitsyn, you will be surprised I did not read it and do not respect! Act by nationality I do not care! Dalessa did not read the doctrine but heard about it!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 18 October 2012 16: 22
            +1
            Do you know what the word repression means?
            1. raf
              raf 18 October 2012 16: 47
              +2
              REPRESSION (from late lat. Repressio - suppression), punitive measure, punishment applied by state bodies.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 18 October 2012 17: 18
                +1
                Well, it turns out that EVERYTHING, including criminals and those who are now sitting, are repressed? That is subject to punishment by state authorities?

                Again, there was a large percentage of people convicted of criminal charges but adhering to thieves' concepts, that is, refusing to work (so-called refuseniks) so they were given another article, just political, so they fell under the percentage of political ...
                1. postman
                  postman 19 October 2012 17: 26
                  0
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Well, it turns out that EVERYTHING

                  it is necessary to write / says POLITICAL repression.
    5. lotus04
      lotus04 18 October 2012 12: 05
      -1
      Quote: bask
      By the end of the post-war 48 year, there were no homeless children in the USSR !!! Everyone was either in boarding schools or in the Suvorov schools. What would .... be done now with shit. Full ........... c


      Glory to Putin !!! Urrrrrrrryayayaya !!!
      1. Wanderer1980
        Wanderer1980 18 October 2012 12: 32
        +7


        A monument to Stalin was erected in Bratislava ... http://berioska.ru/in-bratislava-put-monument-stalin-1925.html

        Somewhere in Asia, demolished. http://novchronic.ru/4796.htm
        At night, tightly cordoning off the area with the police.
        And in the center of Europe they are rebuilding. Openly, fearlessly, in the presence of hundreds of people.
        Slovakia bow.
        Who's next?
        1. Joker
          Joker 18 October 2012 14: 41
          +2
          That's right, you need to put up monuments, you need to know your history yes
      2. tambourine 2012
        tambourine 2012 18 October 2012 15: 22
        +2
        lotus04what kind of children would cranes spend in Africa and mark all the whales :))
  2. Ivan Krasov
    Ivan Krasov 18 October 2012 07: 48
    +8
    “I was always interested in the question, why all the nostalgia for the times of the USSR is reduced only to praise of Stalin and his merits and, most importantly, to an attempt to justify his repression?” - and you were not interested in the question why exactly Stalin became the main object of criticism of the liberals?
    1. Reddragon
      Reddragon 18 October 2012 09: 21
      +20
      It will sound a little strange, but: according to the author (and any anti-Stalinist), death several million peopleri Stalin is a tragedy, the death of several million under another ruler - ...fine ???

      Under any ruler there were victims, but not under any ruler the country grew and prospered!
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 18 October 2012 14: 53
      +9
      Quote: Ivan Krasov
      - But you were not interested in the question of why exactly Stalin became the main object of criticism of the liberals?


      This is the only leader who tried to return Russia's sovereignty and was close to success. If he succeeded, the efforts of the "liberals" for thousands of years would be devalued, and this is annoying for them, so they criticize, remembering as a nightmare.
      For Russians, on the contrary, sovereignty is a guarantee of survival and preservation of the mind and soul in a traditional form, so Stalin is a hero, although he died.
      At the moment, Russia is a vassal of the Zionist system and is ruled from the outside in the interests of not Russians and other local peoples at all. Sovereignty was finally lost along with the autocracy and the arrival of Trotsky's group from the United States, then almost restored by Stalin, and after his death, the presence of the Masonic Commissioner in the Politburo was restored, he was mainly "Suslov" - an American disguised as a peasant and a party apparatus.
      Now it’s even worse in this regard, but in the face of an impending catastrophe, it is possible to save pieces of Russia with subsequent unification, it is only desirable to understand what is happening around and who needs what.
      1. Piligrim
        Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 41
        +1
        Oh my God, so many fools on this site ... !!!
        And then they howl, but why are we still in the ... well !?
        Yes, that's because of people like you and we are marking time. all dream of something, fantasize about the past! but to work, to plow, and to move without a leader and kick, isn’t it.
  3. bairat
    bairat 18 October 2012 07: 53
    +13
    “Stalin did not take into account that the concentration of enemy troops in narrower sectors of the front, their concentration where the Supreme Commander did not expect, will once again put the Red Army in a critical position, although less dangerous than in the previous year ...... and that’s all time insisted on simultaneously conducting at least private offensive operations.
    I wonder what would you do in his place? The Germans could concentrate in a couple of nights on the offensive site a shock fist from several tank and motorized divisions, we had nothing to chase after them, and inaction was like death, which is exemplified by the Kiev and Vyazma boiler.
    Only the imposition of battles on the enemy allowed him to hold down his striking potential. It was these battles that later would be called meaningless and bloody, but there was no other choice.
    1. Witch
      Witch 18 October 2012 10: 35
      +4
      I can not agree with you. Military science, first of all, teaches that a concentration of superior forces and means is needed on a narrow section of the front in order to ensure a breakthrough in defense and further achieve the objective. What you said is an element of preventing the withdrawal of troops from other sectors of the front to eliminate a breakthrough in the direction of the main attack. Unfortunately, the Red Army of 1942 could not provide consistent strikes on different sectors of the fronts as in 1944. Before them was another 2 years of fighting ((((

      By the way, G.K. Zhukov in his "Memoirs ..." noted that by the end of 42 Stalin was well versed in strategy and took active discussions and planning in the development of front-line operations ...
      1. bairat
        bairat 18 October 2012 11: 20
        +7
        I do not see the contradictions. Having created a crisis in German defense near Rzhev, we forced the Germans to abandon primarily mobile formations to liquidate it. Tank divisions were exchanged for our infantry. Just by going into a dead defense we would have untied the Germans hands in choosing the direction of the strike and creating another environment boiler.
        1. Poppy
          Poppy 18 October 2012 12: 36
          +6
          Exactly. And such a deaf defense was hacked by the Germans at a time. Even on the Kursk arc, where they prepared for the defense for several months and buried themselves in the ground, the ss tank corps broke through the defense in 17 hours !!! managed to fend off the introduction of a whole tank army.
          and where were they in the 42nd reserve tank armies?
          1. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 18 October 2012 16: 30
            +3
            Thanks guys Vedmed, bairat, Mac.
            In turn, I add that the liberals, these paper generals, are very fond of criticizing the actions of generals sitting warm, drinking tea and not risking anything, and these generals are for wrong decisions best case scenario they lost their ranks, and in the worst they did for what they are now criticizing Stalin.
            That is, they themselves poorly understood to criticize or not?
            The truth is that people of the guerrilla nationality still cannot forgive Stalin, because their national consciousness is very well developed, and they are very offended, both for a "joke" with Birobidzhan and for quotas for positions and other infringements of their guards.
    2. Stary oper
      20 October 2012 23: 07
      -1
      Take an interest. Do not be lazy.
      http://rus.ruvr.ru/radio_broadcast/2227329/75467538.html
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 October 2012 07: 58
    +12
    the children of this Man did not study abroad, his wife gnawed at the granite of science at the Plekhanov Institute, where no one except Khrushchov knew whose wife she was. Or this daughter was, I don’t remember, but I did not redeem my son from captivity. for him, the country was above all.
    a joke about how to kick dead bodies.
    after Khrushchov’s removal from power, the Kremlin commandant does not sign a detour to him; he took two at the mausoleum, but surrenders one
  5. Fox
    Fox 18 October 2012 08: 04
    +6
    the author has something with his head ... birth trauma? or just down ... I read as many as four (!!!) books (of them, 3 coloring campaigns), but I learned to write .... in short, there are no words.
  6. Rezun
    Rezun 18 October 2012 08: 12
    +5
    Under the guise of methods of scientific analysis and a fairly sober consideration of the situation, the author is trying to "rock the boat."
    The most important achievement of the era of socialism is an attempt to build a new community of people (remember?), in which each citizen was guaranteed equal Rights. It didn’t work out --- with us! Our children and grandchildren will succeed!

    We have learned that one cannot turn away from unpleasant facts — there were repressions, there were mistakes. But now we are learning not to allow them, because we had to realize and see what they would lead to.
    Time works for us because of the beaten two unbeaten give.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 18 October 2012 13: 28
      +2
      Pts meaningful avatar you have Comrade Rezun, right in the topic about equal human rights ..... laughing
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 18 October 2012 16: 35
        0
        Actually, this is the debunking of one of the myths of the Human Rights Defenders. smile
  7. Lantau
    Lantau 18 October 2012 08: 26
    +4
    Author, get into the question, and then just write such articles. And do not quote Volkogonov anymore, they will not understand you. Read Mukhin, Martirosyan.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 09: 47
      +5
      They don’t understand - the author got a little bit of an address for writing ...
  8. Fox 070
    Fox 070 18 October 2012 08: 34
    +12
    Eh, Eugene-Eugene! You don’t learn anything! Lost on the blog and decided to recoup by writing an article? Have you not yet understood that the time when your Jewish ideas, saturated with poison, freely penetrated OUR society irrevocably into oblivion ?! !! You have already been dipped into your bowel movements more than once and apparently you liked it. Well - get more!
    Let's start in order:
    Firstly, you still haven’t gotten rid of the morbid addiction to use fiction in disputes, especially those authors who a priori will not be loyal either to Stalin or to that historical period in general.
    .
    “In February 1954,” appears later in the text, “a note was prepared in the name of N. S. Khrushchev signed by the USSR Prosecutor General, R. Rudenko, USSR Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov and USSR Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, in which the number of convicts for counter-revolutionary crimes for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 was called. In total, 3 people were convicted by the OGPU Board, the NKVD Troika, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including to capital punishment - 777, to detention in camps and prisons for a term of 380 years and below - 642, to exile and deportation - 980 people. ”

    Here is this reference (learn to work not only with fiction, but also with documents).
    For the sake of historical justice, it should be said that Stalin came to power in 1922 and died at the beginning of 1953, so these are not entirely correct figures. Moreover, until 1938 he did not have full power, and at that time Leon Trotsky "frolicked" to his heart's content, shooting right and left.
    And in 1938-1939, after the appointment of L. Beria as the head of the NKVD, Stalin transferred the Jewish kagal who entrenched himself in power and strangled the people.
    Продолжение следует ...
    1. dimaas
      dimaas 18 October 2012 09: 01
      -7
      Thanks for the source (everyone would have discussed it that way), but:
      First of all, I personally did not see any contradictions between the figures of the author of the article and in the above information;
      Secondly, the transfer of arrows to Lev Davidovich seems incorrect. Absolute power in Stalin appeared much earlier. Trotsky in 1927 was removed from all posts and sent into exile. And in 1929 he was expelled from the USSR.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2012 09: 05
        +6
        Quote: dimaas
        Stalin's absolute power appeared much earlier. Trotsky, in 1927, was removed from all posts and sent to exile. And in 1929, he was exiled outside the USSR.

        In general, perhaps that is true. If my memory serves me well, then Stalin acquired such power around 1931. That, however, does not negate the fact - the repression of 20's can hardly be blamed on Stalin.
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 09: 50
        +3
        One person cannot have absolute power in a huge multi-million country! Almost everything is determined not by the leader, but by the local performer ...
        It does not matter how the situation is, it is important how it is reported, and it does not matter what is indicated, but it is important how it is done ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 18 October 2012 10: 52
          -2
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          One person cannot have absolute power in a huge multi-million country! Almost everything is determined not by the leader, but by the local performer

          But this does not remove responsibility from the HEAD, in order to control the whole process he has the appropriate bodies !!!!
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          It does not matter how the situation is, it is important how it is reported, and it does not matter what is indicated, but it is important how it is done ...

          That is why tavarisch Stalin also said that -Kadra decide everything !!!!
          That is, one must be able to select personnel and be able to control the performance by them of their official duties !!
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 03
            +2
            The relevant authorities must also be controlled ...
            At that time, the selection of personnel was nevertheless better - mercantile interests were not encouraged, but were suppressed ...
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 October 2012 14: 12
              0
              Quote: Brother Sarich

              The relevant authorities must also be controlled ...
              At that time, the selection of personnel was nevertheless better - mercantile interests were not encouraged, but were suppressed ...

              Everything needs to be controlled, for this the Head should have ORGANIZING abilities !!
              And then TIME, I think the question is in PEOPLE!
              mercantile interests were not encouraged, because the Head was HONEST in these matters and REQUIRED honesty from others too!
              What prevents managers from choosing the right staff right now ??
              Stalin was a great man!
      3. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 18 October 2012 16: 52
        +1
        dimaas
        Secondly, the transfer of arrows to Lev Davidovich seems incorrect.

        ... Lev Davydovich ...! Oh, how laudable, such a respectful attitude to your ancestors!
        But if you honor your people so much, in spite of their "mistakes", why are you so diligently trying to tarnish the memory of our ancestors?
        Anticipating the argument that Stalin was not supposedly Russian, I will answer right away: I don't care about his nationality. Denying the achievements of that period, hanging on us millions of invented victims (some "historians" have up to 150 million), you defile our entire history
        1. Piligrim
          Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 47
          0
          No need to speak for everyone here. And interfere with a bunch!
  9. Yarbay
    Yarbay 18 October 2012 08: 49
    0
    ** Religion undoubtedly exerts a worldview influence on a person and, accordingly, on his actions. Therefore, at all times there were those who tried to use religion for their own purposes. This is precisely what serves as the basis for various types of religious extremism. And it doesn’t matter what you profess. Therefore, I allow myself to conclude. There are no bad religions, there are bad interpreters who try to use religious and national differences. ** - I completely agree !!
    *** Having answered these questions, it will become clear why the "puppeteers" are so actively promoting the Stalinist times. ** - What does Stalin and Stalin's times have to do with it ??
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 October 2012 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Yarbay
      * Having answered these questions, it will become clear why the "puppeteers" are so actively promoting precisely the Stalinist times. ** - What does Stalin and Stalinist times have to do with it ??

      And among the Zionists, the principle is to mix everything together, litter consciousness, and then pull out from the heap what is needed. An article is a real mess of quoted passages, various facts, there is a quick transfer from one thought to another, and all for that, justification of Judaism.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 October 2012 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        The article is a real mess of quoted passages, various facts, there is a quick transfer from one thought to another

        I agree that the article is incomprehensible!
        Rather, what are some different goals!
        The right words are mixed with incomprehensible conclusions!
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 59
          0
          Yarbay,
          Do you want to explain anything?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 October 2012 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: Fox 070
            Do you want to explain anything?

            what is not clear to you ???
            It’s not me setting myself what flag I want !!
            A question for the administrator or local technicians, or do you think I have time to leave for the USA in 10 minutes and come back? !!
            I didn’t think you are such a dark person!
            I myself am also not very good at these technologies, but here I already know about these moments!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 14: 25
              0
              Fox 070,
              Here Alibek and already demand a report and try just don’t explain laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 October 2012 14: 43
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Here Alibek and already demand a report and try just don’t explain

                Not that the report, but for some reason here the USSR flag is mistakenly not zafigachat)))))))))))
                At 37, I would have to answer everyone))))))))
              2. Fox 070
                Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 43
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                try just don’t explain

                I explain it Troll working under different nicknames. Puncture with a proxy is not the first in his career on the site. I received in person a reply from him to messages addressed to Omar in PM. Any other explanations still needed?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Fox 070
                  I received in person a reply from him to messages addressed to Omar in PM.

                  This is the clinic))))))))))
                  In heavy information battles, you lost your head Felix))))) rather, what should be there))))
                  This is actually the end of all Natsik-mental disorders))
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    you lost your head Felix))))) rather, what should be there))))

                    At least I do not suffer from a split or upset personality. This, alibek (or whatever) is a severe form of schizophrenia.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Fox 070
                      At least I do not suffer from a split or upset personality

                      Exactly suffer)))))))
                      moreover, you also suffer from a persecution mania)))
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        moreover, you also suffer from a persecution mania)))

                        What hurt the truth before that they began to actively minus it?
                        Although minus from troll - recognition of the merits and correctness of the opponent. Do not turn green with anger a man without a name, honor and conscience. bully
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        a man without a name, honor and conscience

                        This applies primarily to you !!
                      3. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        This applies primarily to you !!

                        What smiles have already disappeared? It’s good, it’s right! Troll should not smile Troll should turn green!
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 15: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Fox 070
                        Although the minus of the troll is recognition of the merits and rightness of the opponent

                        I also set a minus and that I am also a Troll laughing
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 15: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Fox 070
                      At least I do not suffer from a split or upset personality.

                      Email address Omar suggest?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 15: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Fox 070
                  I received in person a reply from him to messages addressed to Omar in PM.

                  And that he and Omar correspond and the proxies of Alibek and Omar are different. So the span laughing
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 October 2012 16: 10
                    -2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Alibek and Omar's proxies are different

                    Firstly, not a proxy, but IP.
                    Secondly, the proxy hides the country of access to the network, you, as a moderator, should know this.
                    In the third mailboxes I can make a wagon and a small cart.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I also set a minus and that I am also a Troll

                    No, not a troll, but a moderator who supports TROLA.
                    I'm sorry Alexander, but THIS IS TRUE. hi
              3. Fox 070
                Fox 070 18 October 2012 16: 56
                +1
                Alexander Romanov,
                What, when there is nothing to answer the truth, the administrative resource is triggered? Well, not the first time you, Alexander, use it. But screenshots of our correspondence remained. Very entertaining reading. hi
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 17: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Fox 070

                  What, when there is nothing to answer the truth, the administrative resource is triggered?

                  I deleted both your comments and mine, it could be far away. If you think that Alibek uses different nicknames, contact the administration, if so, then he will be banned. You will continue to yell-I use the administrative resource hi Three innocuous comments left.
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 October 2012 17: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    , contact the administration, if so, then it will be banned.

                    I will do so. good Thanks for the advice! hi
            2. Fox 070
              Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 39
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              It’s not me setting myself what flag I want !!

              Quite rightly, not you! This is your proxy buggy!
              Quote: Yarbay
              Question to admin or local technicians

              Be sure to ask this question to Vadim Smirnov. It will not rust after me. And also take an interest in how one person can work with three nicknames:
              Ataturk
              Yarbai
              Bachast

              I think he will be interested. hi
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 04
                0
                Quote: Fox 070

                Be sure to ask this question to Vadim Smirnov.

                Oh well))))
                I have to disappoint you, but Vadim Smirnov, too, I)))
                You will receive an answer that the people you named are completely different)))))))))
                So it is unlikely that you will be interested)))
                I already told everything))))))
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  You will receive the answer that the people you named are completely different)

                  It is very likely, especially if you work with different hardware. But "try is not torture."
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Fox 070
                    But "try is not torture."

                    Yes, you need to drink less))))
                    1. Fox 070
                      Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Yes, you need to drink less))))

                      What else can you say? Troll ?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 15: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I have to disappoint you, but Vadim Smirnov, too, I))

                  I confirm that Alibek is Vadim Smirnov wassat
                  1. Fox 070
                    Fox 070 18 October 2012 16: 20
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I confirm that Alibek is Vadim Smirnov

                    Interestingly, but does he know about this?
              2. Uncle Serozha
                Uncle Serozha 18 October 2012 15: 22
                +2
                Quote: Fox 070
                Be sure to ask this question to Vadim Smirnov. It will not rust after me. And also take an interest in how one person can work with three nicknames:
                Ataturk
                Yarbai
                Bachast


                Add more here

                kamilla,
                Apollo
                Know
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Uncle Seryozha
                  Add more here

                  kamilla,
                  Apollo
                  Know

                  Very practical remark. Thank you so much! drinks
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 18 October 2012 15: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Uncle Seryozha
                  Add more here

                  I'll go shoot ... how did you manage to expose me?)))
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 18 October 2012 15: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I'm going to shoot.

                    Alibek, wait Apollo, let's go together laughing
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 18 October 2012 16: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Alibek, wait Apollo, let's go together

                      Sasha, Apollo became too nervous))))))))
                      His nervous system is afraid I can not stand such exposed))))))
                      1. Fox 070
                        Fox 070 18 October 2012 16: 23
                        0
                        Yarbay,
                        What, TROL, One does not want to go into oblivion? Do you need a company?
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        And among the Zionists, the principle is to mix everything together, litter consciousness, and then pull out from the pile what is needed.

        Sorry, Nikolai !!! I completely agree with the post, but accidentally put a "minus". I'll get better ... feel
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 18 October 2012 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: Fox 070
          Sorry, Nikolai !!! I completely agree with the post, but accidentally put a "minus". I'll fix it ..

          No offense. drinks
  10. tarks
    tarks 18 October 2012 09: 04
    +5
    Why is Stalin?
    Compare it with Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev ...

    and do not drive a sickening blizzard about a hundred thousand million solzhenitsyn.
    1. postman
      postman 19 October 2012 18: 13
      0
      Quote: tarks
      Why is Stalin?
      Compare it with Gorbachev, spruce

      And an article about whom?
  11. Fox 070
    Fox 070 18 October 2012 09: 17
    +8
    Let's continue ...
    I will not react to your theses based on Volkogonov at all, because in a decent society they do not quote him (this is VM for reference for the future, if, of course, you, as the author of the articles, have it)
    And now, who is trying to use human discontent, slipping us a brilliant leader and justifying his methods of restoring order?
    These people call themselves fighters against Judaism, repudiating the definition of anti-Semites. They argue their position that the Semites are a whole group of peoples and they are not even against Jews in general, but against their religion. Let's see what Judaism is by definition.

    Apparently, these words are addressed directly to me. Well well, I'm glad you touched on this topic (VERY GLAD bully ).
    Can a religion be "bad" or "good" by definition?

    I will probably reveal a "terrible" secret for you, but maybe (for example, worshiping the "prince of darkness", the so-called "church of Satan"). The above-mentioned (not for the night) "church" is included in those 20 monotheistic religions you have listed, Whom the "parishioners" worship is clear without further ado.
    Now about who the Jews worship - MOSHIACH. Take a look at this horned deity, does it remind you of anyone? So this is the very SATAN, only a little "ennobled".
    Judaism and Zionism is not just a religion and a political trend, it is the most terrible nationalist movement on earth in the entire history of the human population.
    So what are these people blaming Judaism? Their main claim is the question of the "chosenness" of the Jewish people.

    Does Jewish nationalism really exist? Let's turn to the primary sources, and in particular to one of the ideologists and inspirers of Judaism - MENACHEM SCHNEERSON. This is what this "venerable man" writes:
    3. The stupid Slavic ethnos does not understand that the most terrible fascists are those who never, never speak out loud about this, but organize everything supposedly according to the most democratic norms (like the presidential elections in March). On the contrary, we will make the word "fascist" swear.
    This label will be afraid of everyone on whom we hang it. We know very well that nationalism strengthens the nation, makes it strong.
    The slogan of "internationalism" is outdated and no longer works as before, we will replace it with "universal values," which is one and the same.

    We will not allow any nationalism to rise, and we will destroy those nationalist movements that seek to lead the people out of our dictatorship with fire and sword, as is done in Georgia, Armenia, Serbia. But we will ensure the full prosperity of our nationalism - Zionism, and more precisely: Jewish fascism, which in its secrecy and power is super-fascism. It was not for nothing that the UN General Assembly in 1975 adopted a resolution in which Zionism was defined as the most flagrant “form of racism and racial discrimination”, but because of our triumphal march on the planet in 1992, it overturned this decision. We have made this international body the weapon of our aspirations to seize power over "all kingdoms and peoples."

    Продолжение следует ...
    1. tarks
      tarks 18 October 2012 09: 23
      +7
      ... We won’t let any nationalism rise ...

      I really don’t agree ... in Ukraine now the most professional nationalists are just half Schneersons. and ukroetnos itself, generally speaking, is the work of their hands.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 18 October 2012 09: 58
        +3
        But everything is simple, in some cases it is possible to replace true nationalism, even ukry, etc., and what are they trying to rally the people? No, they talk about their uniqueness, etc. I will not paint it, and so it is clear. Plus, nationalists in (let us be politically correct) Ukraine, this absolute minority loudly declares itself, and it seems that there really are a lot of them, but sometimes they themselves don’t understand that they bring disruptiveness in the state ... And when they need to be removed very quickly .. ..
      2. aleshka1987
        aleshka1987 18 October 2012 14: 09
        +4
        Where is nationalism in Ukraine? There is not a single nationalist force in Ukraine. They went into the unknown together with Chornovol. There is also not a single pro-Russian force in Ukraine; Ukrainian "pseudo-communists" are not counted. If someone doubts that Svoboda is a Jewish project, look at Irina Farion's performance, and look at her face too.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 47
          0
          aleshka1987,
          I watched her performances. You’re right, she’s ... She was especially impressed with her visit to the kindergarten.
        2. GG2012
          GG2012 18 October 2012 16: 54
          0
          Where is nationalism in Ukraine?
          Oh, how wrong you are!
          Quote: aleshka1987
          There is not a single nationalist force in Ukraine.

          Do you know anything about VO "Svoboda", except what is written by the journalist?
          Chat with those who are currently participating in the active electoral process!
          You will learn a lot.
          And if you get a job at some regional election headquarters of the Party of Regions, ... ... you will learn a lot. But remember, the truth is poison, so people live in lies. Not every organism holds the Truth (truthful information).
  12. tarks
    tarks 18 October 2012 09: 18
    +9
    ... it will become clear why the "puppeteers" are so actively promoting precisely the Stalinist times. ....

    hmm. for some, walking on their heads is a common thing.
    It is not at all difficult to notice that "Stalin's propaganda" began precisely with attempts to de-Stalinization by puppeteers. before that it was a figure of speech, like - you don't have Stalin.

    and pearls about religion ... PPC. afftar teenager or Svanidze?
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 10: 24
      +6
      Quote: tarks
      PPC afftar teenager or Svanidze?

      The author of the article is a visitor to our site, positioning himself as a man of liberal views, a champion of "universal" values, a fan of the ideas of Judaism and a good writer who knows how to "make any apponent in a ridiculous way" (this is a quote from his statements).
  13. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2012 09: 26
    +8
    Honestly - tired. Again about how evil Stalin was in the 50 camps of a million people, the author writes about hunger - supposedly inspired (although there is no evidence that this is malicious intent) And even if it is malicious intent - where is the evidence that Stalin was guilty ?
    But there is no doubt that Stalin was guilty of the shooting of the "brilliant" Tukhachevsky in 1937. But Stalin's fault here, first of all, is that he did not shoot Tukhachevsky earlier. You look, maybe they would have prepared better for the war.
    The role of repression in the Red Army is generally quite difficult to assess. On the one hand, it was an unconditional blow to the army, but on the other ... for some reason, it is usually assumed that the commanders from the divisional commander and above were completely geniuses, and the evil Stalin personally killed them and there was no one to fight. At the same time, after the repressions, the level of training of our officers even increased - simply because a significant part of the repressed were by no means cadre soldiers, but "civil war practitioners - communists who never finished academies." I am afraid that, led by such warriors, the Red Army would have rolled far Moscow ... In any case, the task facing Stalin was to deploy the half-million army that he inherited, about half of which consisted of territorial formations (in fact, the militia) into a multi-million and regular Red Army required such a number of officers that ...
    And about the anti-Semites - in general neither to the village nor to the city.
  14. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 09: 45
    +6
    Comrades, can an article be called a vyser? And to offend the author with a bad word? This is me, so that the next remark is not raked ...
    I don’t think of myself as a Stalinist, in the old days I’m not really sad - and there are enough new problems to think about this more ...
    Fell repression on Stalin - well, you can, of course, he is one megazill, and all the rest in white and chocolate ...
    But in fact, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are to blame for the repressions! Someone wanted to curry favor, someone pursued purely mercantile plans - and all this was preserved, whistle - and everything will happen again, maybe on an even larger scale ...
    It is often said, and I myself, that it is necessary to shoot - yes it is necessary, it is simply necessary, but who should be entrusted with this surgical operation? How to prevent all this horror from happening again? I dont know...
    And it’s better to abstain about Javreis - it’s a very slippery topic and huge in volume, it’s better to discuss it separately ...
    Even better not to discuss at all ...
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Comrades, can I call the article vyser?

      By article and title! "+"
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      And to offend the author with a bad word?

      It would be very appropriate, but you can get a warning, so it's better "within". drinks
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2012 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Comrades, can I call the article vyser?

      It is not only possible, but also necessary. For it is said: "Render to God what is God, and to Caesar what is Caesar's." And for cesarean (section) the author of the text has the full right, and perhaps even medical indications ...
      BUT! In accordance with the site rules. And here the use of simple and intelligible Russian words, alas, is not welcome. So write not "vyser", but "the product of defecation of the body of a respected author" It is also probably not forbidden to congratulate him "with relief" and offer a roll of toilet paper (because it is absolutely impossible to do with such cubic meters of defecation product less than a roll)
      Well, or something else.
      Best regards
  15. 8 company
    8 company 18 October 2012 09: 48
    -3
    Can I really see it - anti-Stalinist article on Topvar !!! ???
    Scha author will be beaten by the crowd and feet, all supporters of dispossession, collectivization, hunger and repression wassat
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: Company 8
      Scha author will be beaten by the crowd and feet,

      Oddly enough, but you are right. And this action will be well deserved.
      However, you don’t need to know this, because you regularly rake along the very nostrils.
      1. 8 company
        8 company 18 October 2012 10: 25
        -1
        Quote: Fox 070
        However, you don’t need to know this, because you regularly rake along the very nostrils.


        What are you talking about, someone at least once was able to prove something to me on this site about the "greatness" of Stalin? I don’t remember that. Usually they just minus, swear, promise to add to the black list for the future, and so on. Nothing serious.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 18 October 2012 10: 37
          +7
          And where did you debunk the cult of Stalin’s personality, I don’t remember that you would answer something intelligible when the facts start poking you, you just don’t notice them and start from the beginning, that's why you stopped arguing with you, you say the main thing with cliches, you don’t want to think critically about what you can talk about, I tried to talk to you twice, and what happened ... Every three messages you copy-paste the first (well, or don’t copy-paste and start from the beginning, while repeating the quote You don’t notice her again) .. And here too tell me how competently you work with documents and what kind of historian you are ... I spent many hours in the archives on the history of my land, I’ll tell you that it’s hard (albeit interesting), and copy-paste nothing complicated, all kinds of bullshit on the Internet ... So Honors, nothing personal of course, it's just the Internet and no more ....

          I apologize for the emotions ...
          1. 8 company
            8 company 18 October 2012 10: 44
            -6
            Quote: klimpopov
            here you are telling how competently you work with documents and what kind of historian you are ...


            Well, since only you write "intelligible", could you recall with a quote when I called myself a "historian". He talked about documents, but never considered himself a historian. So I'm waiting, or I'll have to call you a liar, sorry.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 18 October 2012 10: 56
              +3
              Here, a favorite method to cling to words. Well, I went too far, literally I didn’t call myself a historian, I won’t dig, but I have such an opinion that I apply for such a title ... I work with documents and all that, I clearly identify myself with the researcher, or not? Claim the main debunker, also refute? In the first conversation, what did you do? They said that the documents were falsified, but yours truly are true (well, not verbatim of course, but the meaning is that). At the expense of a liar, I’ll ask ... I have never been a liar, I’ll lick my reputation (not only on the Internet). I don’t have anything to share with you, this is again nothing personal ...
              I hope you understand what I wanted to say ...

              PS I didn’t write that only I intelligibly answer, there are people on the site who argue reasonably enough, and I had the pleasure of reading your conversations, and opponents explained quite intelligently what and how, again I won’t dig, I don’t pretend to be a historian either, just I am interested in the topic, I try to cover opinions and sources as much as possible, due to the possibility (praise the Internet, but what is on the network can not always be considered authentic) ...
              You have a certain opinion, but you should not submit it as the only true one, that’s what I want to say ...
              1. 8 company
                8 company 18 October 2012 11: 25
                0
                Quote: klimpopov
                I have never been a liar, I’ll lick my reputation


                This is correct, and you must also follow your own words winked

                Quote: klimpopov
                You have a certain opinion, but do not submit it as the only true


                And how do you imagine such a method in general? Can I have an example?
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 18 October 2012 11: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: Company 8
                  And how do you imagine such a method in general? Can I have an example?

                  Here you have left a post below, this is a vivid illustration of my statement, again a stamp and no more, and an attempt to manipulate the opinions of others, the figures are clearly one-sided, I just added ....
                  1. 8 company
                    8 company 18 October 2012 11: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    stamp again


                    That is, when I write - this is a stamp and an attempt to portray my opinion as the only true one, and when you write - everything is fine. So?
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 18 October 2012 12: 22
                      +1
                      No, you have changed everything, I’ll ask you to read it all the same ....
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 05
            0
            Yes, than arguing about the same thing, it’s better to just minus that, which I do most often ...
        2. tarks
          tarks 18 October 2012 10: 42
          +4
          they simply don’t like supporters to smear the past with mud.

          but about greatness .... everything is known in comparison!
        3. Fox 070
          Fox 070 18 October 2012 10: 53
          +3
          Quote: Company 8
          I have someone at least once been able to prove something on this site about the "greatness" of Stalin? I don’t remember that. Usually just minus,

          It’s just that you are not considered to be an interlocutor or even an opponent. And it is true. You are an ordinary Troll, with whom a decent person is ashamed to talk. You have enough and minus.
          1. 8 company
            8 company 18 October 2012 10: 56
            +2
            Quote: Fox 070
            You are an ordinary Troll, with whom a decent person is ashamed to talk.


            Then it is unclear why you are talking to me? Are you a dishonorable person, in your logic?
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 35
              0
              Quote: Company 8
              You are a dishonorable person

              From your lips it sounds like praise. hi
          2. Piligrim
            Piligrim 18 October 2012 23: 57
            +1
            I am glad that there are only a few sites left. And you remind me of mammoths with your Soviet propaganda washed for 30-40 years. All heresy that you are trying to pass off as the truth will be with you. And the country will go further, in an evolutionary way forward - in a civilized manner.
        4. Fox
          Fox 18 October 2012 21: 29
          0
          this is because when arguing with a fool, people will not notice the difference.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 October 2012 10: 04
      +2
      Boots in the face, and personally invite comrade Beria ... Do you like such formulations? We gouge out our eyes and then eat it alive ...
      1. Rezun
        Rezun 18 October 2012 11: 27
        0
        Boots on the face


        Nah ... Kill, burn the corpse, charge the cannon with ashes and shoot.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 18 October 2012 11: 33
          +2
          No need boots in the dungeons, which would be in the spirit of the times. Etozh ate bloody geben people, and crushed his boots ...
    3. Stary oper
      18 October 2012 18: 48
      -1
      8 company
      You will not believe it, but the author sits, reads and chuckles.
      1. 8 company
        8 company 19 October 2012 10: 11
        0
        Quote: Stary oper
        You will not believe it, but the author sits, reads and chuckles.


        It's funny and funny, on the one hand, but the number of people with foam at the mouth justifying the mass destruction in especially sophisticated forms of their own people is still more depressing ...
        1. Stary oper
          20 October 2012 23: 18
          0
          I laughed at how they interlocked. That's all. And yet I do not believe that the supporters of that time make up the majority in real life.
          1. BSSR
            BSSR 21 October 2012 03: 51
            -1
            not the majority, I am sure, and this gives us the right to exist and live, enjoying what we have and what we believe in
      2. postman
        postman 19 October 2012 18: 29
        0
        Stary oper
        I liked the article.
        And the reaction is like a litmus test in solution.
        The contingent here is like that. Why is it considered that if you do not shout STALIN our savior and a slave father, then you are an orange, a liberal, a betrayer of the Motherland, you do not love your Motherland, you receive money from the State Department, etc.
        1. Stary oper
          20 October 2012 23: 23
          +1
          postman
          Just such shortcuts are familiar from then on. Gene memory, or what? It is bad that in Russia own Nazism raises its head. And Stalin for them is simply a symbol for preparing (as they hope) their own actions in the same vein.
  16. Fox 070
    Fox 070 18 October 2012 09: 50
    +4
    Continue? ...
    The Jewish idea of ​​the chosen people has only a religious and spiritual meaning and does not carry anything associated with "blood and soil" "





    .But is it only Judaism that "sins" this? Has this idea been used by other religions? It turns out yes. Quote from the same author. “The idea of ​​God's chosenness was perceived and transformed by the Christian Church. According to the Christian concept established in the Middle Ages, the mission of Israel as the chosen people ended with the birth of Jesus Christ from its midst; "Israel in the flesh", that is, the Jewish people, is rejected by God, and the "true Israel", "Israel in the spirit," is the Christian Church. "
    Is it not possible, if desired, the basic credo of Islam "There is no God but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad" also declare a claim to the chosen one?

    It is difficult to disagree with this statement. Everything is very simple and diabolically cunning - both Christianity and Islam are the products of the same Judaism, inheriting all the vices of their ancestor, forcing a person to blindly worship dogmas, excluding and suppressing any attempt by a HUMAN to critically evaluate what is happening in life.
    Now about whether Russia needs an idea,

    Of course, an idea is needed, but not "based on inciting ethnic hatred", and based on the restoration of national identity and national identity of the Russian people.
    Are there certain historical parallels with Nazi Germany? Remember who started there ...

    And they started with the Jews not because Hitler hated representatives of this nationality (after all, he himself was a Jew, as, indeed, most German bonzes). Everything was in the best Jewish traditions of human sacrifice.
    You might say "incredible", but it is exactly so. It's enough to read a book

    Passover on Blood
    European Jews and Ritual Murder
    Ariel Toaff
    2007


    and everything will fall into place.



    So, Eugene, I was not impressed by your article, based, as always, on excerpts from the "works" of Jewish authors - "historians".
    And once again you are losing a round of "verbal fencing", so beloved by you (after all, this is how you deigned to express it).
    The article is a fat minus and it is a pity that there is only one. hi
  17. Poppy
    Poppy 18 October 2012 09: 57
    +3
    What I like is when they start shamelessly recording unborn children as victims. So you can count an infinitely large number.
  18. Magadan
    Magadan 18 October 2012 10: 19
    +7
    I have nothing against the Jews. And what about Stalin and the Jews? There is a certain world elite, and quite possibly "Jewish", "Jewish-Masonic", but what kind of Jews they are. They have long been without a clan without a tribe, common people, in a word.
    Was there any repression? Of course they were and they were right. First, the revolution is devouring its children. Secondly, there was a huge number of Leninists-Trotskyists-internationalists. But Stalin was not an internationalist, he was a statesman. They understood this, saw that their "Jewish-Masonic" internationalist, "universal", that is, ideas were gradually dying. They didn't like it. Stalin cleared them out like British spies. That's where they go.
    Were innocent repressed? There were. And now there are no innocent prisoners? There is. Conclusion: everything is clear with the former Trotskyists, but in order to assess the degree of Stalin’s guilt for the innocently imprisoned, one must first compare the number of those who were innocently sitting now with those who are innocently sitting.
    Are there such numbers? No. Here in this direction it’s worth digging to finally finish off all these Anglo-Saxon-Judaizing orange anti-Stalinists - shit
  19. 8 company
    8 company 18 October 2012 10: 39
    -4
    I want to support the Stalinists, who were a little embarrassed at the sight of the anti-Stalinist article, and say that only under Stalin Russia was able to achieve maximum mortality from starvation: during 1932-1933, at least 7 million corpses of ordinary peasants. Neither before nor after Stalin was this level achieved by any of the Russian rulers.
    Moreover, it was the great leader who achieved the maximum world indicators in the field of military defeats: in 2 months 1941. - several "boilers" with incredible amounts of l / s and equipment losses; the leader, of course, is the Kiev boiler with 600 surrounded. Worthy of the Guinness Book of Records, definitely.
    Yes, and the Russian Stalinists themselves can be safely added to the book of records - only in Russia there are such a large number of people who seriously justify the mass destruction of their own people by a frank alien.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 October 2012 11: 14
      +8
      Just numbers:

      Population
      1926 g. - 113,7 mln. (146,6 mln. - the total population of the USSR)
      1939 g. - 133 million (170,6 million)
      1959 g. - 159,3 million (208,8 million)
      For comparison: during the reign of Yeltsin, the number of Russians in Russia decreased by 6,8 mln. People, during the reign of Putin - by 6,4 mln.
      So our new rulers are approaching ... Although the figures are taken only for Russia (!) Excluding Ukraine and Belarus
      Economy
      total volumes of production
      1913 - 3,6%;
      1920 - 0,6%;
      1938 - 5,6%;
      1950 - 6,9%;
      1986 - 14,6%.

      Repression
      - the highest measure - 799 455;
      - camps, colonies and prisons - 2 634 397;
      - link and expulsion - 413 512;
      - other measures - 215 942.

      Just for thought
      The number of murders in the USSR in 1946 was 10,3 thousand (in 1940 - 6,5 thousand). More than 2007 times more kills in Russia in 2 than in the first post-war year - 22,2 thousand

      All figures are taken from free sources on the Internet, have been published many times on this site, I understand that it is for you that they do not care. This is not the first time you have written such a post, of course you know the reaction to it ... So I won’t paint it ... Again, so that later they wouldn’t say that they’ll just be passed ...
      1. 8 company
        8 company 18 October 2012 11: 38
        -10
        Quote: klimpopov
        during the reign of Yeltsin, the number of Russians in Russia decreased by 6,8 million people, during the reign of Putin - by 6,4 million people.


        And how do you determine the number of Russians? Are you sure that the Mordvinians will not squint under the grouse? Methodology in the studio!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 18 October 2012 12: 26
          +2
          I was waiting for what to ask! + Unambiguous. Maybe by the way, my fault, I didn’t write correctly, is the Russian-speaking population in the territory of the former RSFSR, or even just the population of the former RSFSR. We take the size of the USSR, subtract the population of the republics that have become independent states (ordinary arithmetic) and compare the numbers before and after ... If it’s simple, then ...
          Again, the results of the census are absolutely freely available ...

          And the question is who are Russians probably more rhetorical (a joke)

          PS I do not put cons, because I do not see the point ...
          1. 8 company
            8 company 18 October 2012 13: 32
            -2
            Quote: klimpopov
            Maybe by the way my fault, I didn’t quite correctly write


            Bravo, Klim, you are a rare person who is able to publicly admit his mistake. Deserved plus!
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 18 October 2012 15: 36
              +2
              Yes, in fact, there are no such people who are not mistaken. Especially since he didn’t write correctly. But numbers are numbers and it’s hard to argue with them ...
        2. Piligrim
          Piligrim 19 October 2012 00: 05
          -1
          8 company, and do you want to cope with them? They live in their own little world, and no one will convince them. They will leave, and with them their opinion and views will go away!
          Spit on them, let them nightingales spread among themselves about the beautiful life of that time (for whom it was of course) and the stars hang on to each other! soldier
          1. 8 company
            8 company 19 October 2012 10: 12
            +2
            Quote: Pilgrim
            8 company, and do you want to cope with them?


            Yes, I have repeatedly warned that I am writing not for the Stalinists, but for normal people with human morality. Well, if they cling to me, then do not be offended angry
      2. Piligrim
        Piligrim 19 October 2012 00: 02
        -1
        Uu, you don’t know how to talk !!! I am not surprised at this.!
        8 Rota cited the facts. And what kind of nonsense have you suffered ??? Yeltsin dragged? Are you 8 years old?
      3. postman
        postman 19 October 2012 18: 30
        +1
        klimpopov

        Quote: klimpopov
        Repression
        - the highest measure - 799;
        - camps, colonies and prisons - 2 634 397;
        - link and expulsion - 413 512;
        - other measures - 215 942.

        And what is it not enough? Or is this normal?
      4. postman
        postman 19 October 2012 19: 01
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        Just numbers:

        Several other figures in the archives.
        The analysis shows:
        -provided by population (and precisely in Russia) during these years

        - a large increase in migration in these years (maximum)

        jump in child mortality these years

        negative growth in these years

        -practical lack of male population growth in these years

        [/ Center]

        "these years" are years of political repression
        I highlighted in red, blue.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 October 2012 20: 43
          0
          Quote: Postman
          Several other figures in the archives.

          Too shy to ask, and in whose archives? In the archives of the State Department? It could be.
          Remember, "archivist", no official Soviet document was written in English (or any other) language other than Russian. Run this paperwork on roll-ups ... or to the toilet. hi
          1. postman
            postman 20 October 2012 00: 46
            0
            Quote: Fox 070
            Too shy to ask, and in whose archives?

            in ours in ours.

            Quote: Fox 070
            Remember, "archivist", no official Soviet document was written in English (or any other)

            1. And who said that it was Soviet?
            2.Official documents of the USSR were written in English and French as well. Take a look at the rights and passport (foreign), I do not know about you, but I got my first ones back in the USSR.

            Written about the publication on the basis of Russian (before VOSR), Sovetskiy (after VOSR) and Russian (after the collapse of the USSR) official documents.
            Send bibliography and used literature?
            (There are 8 pages)!
            but who wrote.
            Quote: Fox 070
            Launch this paper roll on a roll of cigarettes ... well, or the toilet

            You are as always nice ....
            1. postman
              postman 20 October 2012 00: 48
              0
              Quote: Fox 070
              In the archives of the State Department? It could be.

              In the library of the Orenburg State University
            2. Fox 070
              Fox 070 20 October 2012 09: 43
              0
              postman,
              .Official documents of the USSR were written in English and in French as well.

              That's right on ONE of them, but not "joint." According to Russian documents, there are no questions.

              In 1950 there was a "failure" in the population, although 5 years before that the "little zavorushka" for our country had just ended, but by 1959 the population of the RSFSR had become 117534 million people, against 108377 million in 1939. Where is the "failure"?

              In 1926-1940, the decrease in the increase was associated with the "overflow" of the population from the village to the city and, naturally, a decrease in the number of children in families.

              -practical lack of male population growth in these years

              Do you at least understand what "navayali"? What, it was necessary to issue a decision of the Central Committee so that women give birth to boys, not girls? SHOB IS THE WHOLE WORLD LAUGHING? Or maybe you know the methodology, if YES, try to get a patent-billionaire in a year.

              klimpopov (1) October 18, 2012 11:14 ^ v 8 Just the numbers:

              Population
              1926 g. - 113,7 mln. (146,6 mln. - the total population of the USSR)
              1939 g. - 133 million (170,6 million)
              1959 g. - 159,3 million (208,8 million)

              What did you, Vasily, refute Klim with his info (the numbers are slightly different, so this is statistics, the trend is the same) and what do you mean by that?
              PS. Before you upload the info, read it at least once

              Well, at least in the second post they figured it out-
              "these years" are years of political repression
              I highlighted in red, blue.
              1. postman
                postman 20 October 2012 12: 07
                0
                Quote: Fox 070
                but not "joint".

                And who was talking about the joint? (English and French). Preposition And you should not consider it as (+), this is the result of the struggle with topvar (error, error)
                Quote: Fox 070
                In 1950 "failure"
                50th is not discussed, why fool around, the war was
                Quote: Fox 070
                for 1939. Where is the "failure"?

                Don't want to look in the "right" direction. see 1926-1939 (40) and compare 1950-1960 (EVEN after the war, after the death of several million able-bodied population).
                Do you have any idea about statistics and data processing?

                Quote: Fox 070
                1926-1940 decrease in growth is associated with "overflow"

                Do not write nonsense. WHAT SEPARATELY IS CONSIDERED by the rural and urban crust. POPULATION IS CONSIDERED IN WHOLE (according to the country), if on fingers
                2
                + 2 = 4, 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4, EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTRY "4", it "flows" or does not flow, the amount does not change
                Quote: Fox 070
                Do you at least understand what "navayali"?

                I DO NOT NAVALAIT, brought .. DOCUMENT. Read and think with your bright head.
                If there are SEVERAL MILLIONS of men (usually of childbearing age) behind bars in the camps, and SEVERAL HUNDREDS are destroyed: here you will be the result and "navayali".
                Decree of the Central Committee - Enemy of the people, shoot or 25 years of camps. Will a child be conceived from this individual (male)?

                Quote: Fox 070
                What do you, Vasily, refuted Klim with
                Yes, of course I read all the work, and got it right. You have a methodology: if I have a mistake: State Department, liberals, if you have a normal, small (?) Discrepancy.

                Quote: Fox 070
                Well at least in the second post guessed at

                I didn't clean anything. I removed the red and blue ones, the clippings were given for political repression. "praise" is not necessary.
        2. postman
          postman 20 October 2012 01: 05
          0
          -provided by population (and precisely in Russia) during these years

          - a large increase in migration in these years (maximum)

          jump in child mortality these years

          negative growth in these years

          -practical lack of male population growth in these years
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 07
      +1
      With pleasure I wrote out another minus ...
      1. Rezun
        Rezun 18 October 2012 16: 26
        +1
        ... mlyn-n-n ... I will participate ...Brother!
    3. Poppy
      Poppy 18 October 2012 12: 45
      +3
      of rare illiteracy, I see you are a man: you have set off a puddle on both issues.
    4. Stary oper
      20 October 2012 23: 26
      0
      8 mouth.
      Ironically, bitingly and to the point. I respect ...
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 18 October 2012 10: 39
    +8
    Dear author of the article cannot understand the most elementary - I.V. Stalin, having enormous power, DID NOT STEAL ANYTHING FROM THE PEOPLE AND PUT INTO HIMSELF IN POCKET! After him there were none! Moreover, all the money from the reprint of his works was put into the Stalin Prize and stipend. Prize - for achievements in science, development of the economy, etc., a scholarship - to young talented students. Then this award was renamed into "State", only now they forgot to give out money under Khrushchev and then, they left one title. Which of the subsequent "writers" donated their royalties to research and development and the defense industry?
    After the hardest war, we were the first to cancel food cards, and then by the holiday of October, May there was at least some REDUCTION in prices. Let a little, for 5-10 cents, but it was!
    Therefore, people will remember I.V. Stalin with THANKS! And the longer we move along the path of "happy capitalism and crap," seeing how the country and the people are being robbed, the more people will praise J.V. Stalin
    1. raf
      raf 18 October 2012 11: 22
      -4
      And did Stalin have something to steal? His personal estate was the weight of the Soviet Union!
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 09
        +5
        But the current leaders do not even understand such a simple trifle and are trying to steal and stash in the West, which seems to be hostile, according to them ...
        It seems that the owners in the country that they want - they can do everything, but everything is aimed at pushing doors, frames, plumbing cheaply and money to the neighbors from their own home for storage, instead of making major repairs in their own home. ...
        1. Stary oper
          20 October 2012 23: 55
          0
          Brother Sarych.
          Was it about the "current"? It was about the danger of militant nationalism in Russia and the fact that they are purposefully trying to justify Stalin's repression against their people, for the subsequent use of his methods.
      2. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 18 October 2012 17: 06
        +2
        raf
        His personal estate was the entire Soviet Union!

        Blaming him for the breadth of thought?
        Why steal something when everything is mine?
        By the way, then social programs acted just like that.
        Everything that was not in personal property was nationwide commons.
      3. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 18 October 2012 19: 44
        +1
        For raf
        Good afternoon!
        Whose patrimony was the USSR became clear after the death of Stalin. Just Stalin did not allow the appetites of nomenclature to unfold. And about why he should steal .. Yes, a person simply did not need it. You most likely belong to the perestroika generation for which, being in power and not stealing is nonsense. It’s hard to understand Stalin’s people with your standards ... but to live as he is is even more difficult.
        Alexander 1958
        1. Viklis
          Viklis 19 October 2012 01: 59
          -1
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          Just Stalin did not allow the appetites of nomenclature to unfold.

          About the nomenclature. Of course, if we compare it with the current situation, then against any current governor and Brezhnev is almost a beggar ... :) And if you look at the standards of that time, then a special class of the nomenklatura was growing, no matter how hard Stalin tried, as you say, to squeeze it. Neither cleansing nor repression was intimidating, some left, new ones came ... And, if the people worked with blood and sweat on the giant construction sites of that time, living in barracks, at best - dormitories, communal apartments. The nomenklatura, which reported success, and did not rub the blisters from the shovels, had nomenklatura "stalinkas", cars, state dachas, and the children were attached. Of course, people in their midst were different, there were those who had modesty and conscience, but there were also vice versa ... By the way, it is the nomenklatura "Stalinists" that still have considerable value .. It was elite housing, in the corresponding prestigious areas, not on the outskirts ... Do not confuse with two-story buildings for the people, and subsequently with Khrushchev. The question arises, where did these nomenklatura ranks, the devoted students of their teacher, who received positions from him, went when the epic of the condemnation of the cult of Stalin's personality began? Or were they clapping their hands, listening to Khrushchev's report at the 20th Congress, only by burying the leader? Or did they all become traitors at once? This is such a system of power ...
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 19 October 2012 09: 59
            0
            For
            Viklis
            Good morning ! And no one says that under Stalin there was no problem of strengthening the nomenclature, but there was control and encouragement for success (Stalin) and punishment for crimes and failures. Under Khrushchev, they stopped repressing them, and under Brezhnev they even stopped firing, they simply transferred from chair to chair
            Alexander 1958
    2. Viklis
      Viklis 18 October 2012 16: 06
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      And the longer we move along the path of "happy capitalism and crap," seeing how the country and the people are being robbed, the more people will praise J.V. Stalin

      Very true. We will praise, you know, by and large it does not matter who, if only from the past, such as far away, because in our history you can find a lot that is worthy of both respect and the opposite ... In this case, we will choose " the most worthy ", to meet in the collectives and listen to the election programs of candidates, to swear in corners or on the websites, and so that one of the members of labor collectives said in the face of the speaker: but in truth, we have this and that ... or what good to call the speaker "disrespectful". Have you seen many such fighters for truth? Not here, not in the kitchen, not among themselves, but in public (modest tents and meager rallies do not count). And they will go to the elections, although few expect what they want from them ... On the posters, they are the same for many years ... But to fight anti-Stalinists is just a lifelong work. Only not among those who criticize Stalin's methods here, it is worth looking for the roots of our modern problems.
    3. Piligrim
      Piligrim 19 October 2012 00: 08
      -2
      And who stole? request What are these? And the year 1917 with the revolution is not a theft?
      That's right, this is robbery!
    4. Stary oper
      20 October 2012 23: 50
      -1
      Egoza.
      The author "disrespected" by you indescribably grieves that he did not make an impression on you ... Will I survive?
  21. Averias
    Averias 18 October 2012 10: 42
    +3
    This is so cool. Now they decided to push the opposition from this side too. In how, then the opposition is fighters against repression. Stunned. They mean not for money (foreign) do it, but purely out of patriotism and love for the people. I haven’t read the most mediocre way to push through opposition nonsense. And what has Stalin got to do with it? He was an extraordinary and significant figure in world history. Even if he was paranoid and saw a conspiracy everywhere, even if. But he, with his paranoia and repression and other "terrible deeds", he brought the country to the world leader. Opponents will say that it is not he, but the people, I agree, only under his iron hand (through sacrifice, blood, tears and suffering), but he did it. And it is not for his contemporaries to judge him, since we still live in the country that Stalin revived and rebuilt. I am not and have never been a fan of Stalin's methods of government, but what he did deserves respect. Peter the First did not consider the same sacrifice going to the goal, but he is not so condemned, and yet he was still a despot.
  22. Viklis
    Viklis 18 October 2012 10: 44
    +2
    Quote: Fox 070
    Undoubtedly, the idea is needed, but not "based on inciting ethnic hatred", but based on the restoration of national self-awareness and national self-identification of the Russian people.
    Here you have a dexterity that is not characteristic of the Slavic mind at times.)) They talked, talked, cited a sea of ​​historical material about what the true face of the Jews is, I will make a reservation, of course, the Jews (only you alone know how to sort them out) And is this not inciting ethnic hatred? Your documents and video materials about the Sisonists will impress someone, but for me they have exactly the same impact as the facts about the atrocities of Bandera, the pogroms in Azerbaijan and Armenia, I will continue, but also when the Russian or Ukrainian people call for cleansing other nationalities are all manifestations of nationalism in the worst, most dangerous form. You didn’t just come to talk, behind your striving for "self-identification" lies the striving for specific ways of implementation. And what are these ways? The borders are now open, for example, we have a visa-free regime with Israel. But if I am not drawn to go there to rest, and some of the Ukrainians and Russians go there - it makes me neither cold nor hot ... and if someone goes there for permanent residence, it also somehow doesn’t concern personally me and ordinary citizens like me. The centuries-old Jewish question will continue to be centuries-old, no matter how anyone wants it. Before Stalin, under Stalin, after ..., under Hitler ... but many people tried to "solve" this issue, so what? We are not going to rest in Israel, we are going to our best ski resort in Transcarpathian "Bukovel", this is where the money is, the average man will say, and he will be right, only a small remark that in his hands is "the same". One of the most significant Ukrainian Privatbank whose? Yes, those who have recently opened the largest in the world !!! Jewish center in Dnepropetrovsk in the form of 7 towers. At the opening, it was said that the center will be used for the needs of the whole city, and not just the Jewish community ... Question: who is interfering with ours, namely ours (since I have Russian and Ukrainian blood) to create at least approximately, at least a third of this? Is there really no money? And of course, when the wind walks in the pockets of ordinary citizens, this is very good soil for inciting any kind of ethnic hatred, including anti-Semitism. But the way out of this situation, judging by your comments, is to "free yourself" from a part of the Jews ... But how? According to? Pogroms? But as I said, in one of the comments you are like in a joke: they will beat you according to the shape of your nose, and not according to your passport. " Everything is fine with my nose, passport and pedigree. But those who are directly involved in the pogroms are unlikely to be as educated as you in this matter. And someone only has a nose, or a curly hairstyle, or some mysterious name ... yes, uv. Felix, I don’t like it ... Ideological inspirers as always remain on the sidelines, and I have no doubt that at the moment when they smell fried they will be far beyond the ocean, in our time this is quite possible. They will not shed blood ... certainly. And where is the guarantee that the "stray" bullets will not touch the innocent? Well, yes, this is a just cause, and victims in the name of such an idea do not mean anything. Oh, they mean when they bury their loved ones, for each of those present here they mean .... And, by the way, those Jews with whom you urge to fight will also get out, they have the means and the opportunity not to wait for the arrival of fighters for self-identification of any nation ... It is easiest to say that all our troubles are in ..., and the enumeration of nationalities has gone.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 11: 21
      +7
      Quote: VikLis
      There is a knack in you that is not peculiar to the Slavic mind at times.))

      You know the Slavic mind poorly if you decide to underestimate it. Yes, however, and you are not the first. But they all ended up in one place, (recall in what?). And the Zionists will repeat this path, give only time.
      Quote: VikLis
      when a Russian or Ukrainian person calls for cleansing from other nationalities - these are all manifestations of nationalism in the worst, most dangerous form.

      It is in the context of your words that you are right, but the fact is that I am not calling for "cleansing from other nationalities" (quote or I will declare you a liar), but I urge you to fight the Jewish, Zionist ideology and people who carry it to the masses. And the choice of methods of this struggle can be discussed separately.
      Quote: VikLis
      some mysterious name ... yes, uv. Felix,

      There is nothing mysterious in my name, translated from Latin it means "happy", and was named after a friend of my father who saved his life.
      Quote: VikLis
      Has it become easier or has something changed, or are there no other ways to rise both Russia and Ukraine?

      I will not say for Ukraine (although the roots of our problems grow from one place), but in Russia, with the destruction of THESE ideas and their "pushers", a lot will change and, as I recall, a Russian person was always honored to "lay his belly for his friends." ... We always knew how to fight for our land, for the truth, for our children, and not sit cowardly and bleat about help and monetary compensation for the blood of our fellow tribesmen.
      Watch this demo and feel the difference in views.
      (inscription on the demo: Prince Svyatoslav the Brave
      Yes, do not put the Russian land to shame, we’ll eat the bones here — they don’t have any shame.
      King Solomon
      Who is between the living, there is still hope, since the living dog is better than a dead lion.
      )
      1. Viklis
        Viklis 18 October 2012 15: 30
        0
        Quote: Fox 070
        I urge to fight against the Jewish, Zionist ideology and the people who carry it to the masses

        Not all of us for the most part are imbued with this kind of ideology, but when in response to them deploy their own chauvinism, then a real "massacre" will turn out, which no one knows how it will end ... And as for the name: I had it in view of the fact that the direct participants in the process, that is, those who will carry out in practice, most likely in terms of education level will certainly be lower than you and those who will lead them. Look at seemingly harmless strikes in France and other countries, starting with a march, for example, of railway workers and Aeroflot workers or pensioners, and ending with a brawl with the participation of young people, pogroms of shops, burnt cars on the streets. Are the young people who are doing this ideologically prepared, and do they generally understand in the name of what and why? It will be even more difficult for us, we have young people "overboard", in free swimming now ...
        Quote: Fox 070
        We always knew how to fight for our land, for truth, for our children,

        Who can argue, the whole history of Russia, from and to ... and the Soviet period ... proved that we can shed blood, and unfortunately, even in peacetime, the same industrialization in the Stalinist period was given with blood and sweat. And I also recall the words of Lermontov: "the country of slaves, the country of masters ... And you, blue uniforms, And you, a faithful people to them," when I see on TV a report from the factory after visiting it with high-rise faces, and a worker with a stone face, blinking, looking at one point, mumbles a learned phrase: that everything is fine with him, that he even has a salary ... Well, yes, after the plant of union significance was completely destroyed, and now they are trying to blind something in its place, then, of course, everything is fine with us and we even have a working ration (because it’s difficult to name the amount of salary) ... And it turns out that only in tight-knit gloves, and the most extreme measures, with the inevitable destruction of the innocent along the way .., only in such a meat grinder, can you build something ..?
        Today, in discussions, one participant asked if they agreed to work in the factory like that, until exhaustion, as in those days? I would ask this question to young people, not us. We are arguing here, having lived half a century already, we can reason, but they, the young, still have to, and how are they, where ....? And why, if possible, students go to America for the summer to earn money, wash glasses .... etc., because they will pay much more than ours ... And will they heroically raise our country in hardship , my own, since their grandfathers are not us, namely grandfathers ...? And to discuss about personalities in the history of the country, at least about Stalin, at least about Peter I, Ivan the Terrible, etc. - it is possible, until very old age you can think ....
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 18 October 2012 17: 10
        -2
        Quote: Fox 070
        King Solomon
        Who is between the living, there is still hope, because the living dog is better than a dead lion

        Well, to understand the wisdom of Solomon and the meaning of his words and why did he say that, you Felix still grow and grow!
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 18 October 2012 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          to understand the wisdom of Solomon and the meaning of his words and why he said this, you Felix still grow and grow!

          Well, of course, where do I go? TROLA.! After all, you have at least three heads (i.e. nicknames), though two are already banned, so now you will have a hard time. hi
  23. dmb
    dmb 18 October 2012 10: 45
    +9
    Honestly, I thought about whether to write a comment or not, because the reaction of most colleagues to the article is predictable. Being in agreement with them in general, I will focus on particulars. The concept of "old opera" suggests a penchant for analysis. Therefore, it is not entirely clear how a person claiming this quality can attribute the famine of 1946-1947 to methods of repression, for the latter still pursue certain goals. If the author considers their main goal to be "genocide, that is, the thoughtless extermination of the Russian people," then he is absolutely similar to the category that he called puppeteers and, together with their representatives certainly present on the site, may well organize a circle in the nearest psychiatric hospital. By the way, it should be admitted that, unlike him, his associates have reasons for anti-Semitism. It is enough to look at the list of persons who have successfully torn apart the public property of the Great Country and recall the New Year's dances of the rabbis on the Cathedral Square of the Kremlin. If they danced at the synagogue or the Presidential Administration, no one would say a word. But it is clearly not worth doing this at Orthodox shrines, as well as shrines of other confessions. And the last thing. About Volkogonov. This common traitor has been assessed. I would only like to add that he began his struggle against totalitarianism with privatization for a penny of state housing with all its contents. Even teaspoons did not disdain.
    1. Stary oper
      21 October 2012 00: 27
      -1
      dmb
      And comrade Zyuganov had nothing at all? And why do we see only the names we need in the lists of "persons who have successfully ripped apart the public property of the Great Country"? Or was the ideological father of privatization Yegor Gaidar also "one of ours"? Or Yeltsin? Now let's look at the top richest people in Russia in 2012.
      1.Vladimir Lisin. 2. Mikhail Prokhorov. 3. Alisher Usmanov. 4 Oleg Deripaska. 5. Roman Abramovich 6. Alexei Mordashov. 7. Suleiman Kerimov. 8.Michael Friedman. 9. Vladimir Potanin. 10. Vagit Alekperov.
      How many of them are Jews?
      Then with whom will we fight? With the Tatars, with "persons of Caucasian nationality"? You, nostalgic for the USSR, why do you forget that one of the principles of a socialist society is internationalism? Or is it beneficial to remember one, while the other does not fit into your outline?
  24. afire
    afire 18 October 2012 10: 51
    0
    another scribbler .... disgusting to read
  25. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 11: 08
    +6
    Quote: Poppy
    What I like is when they start shamelessly recording unborn children as victims. So you can count an infinitely large number.


    I fully support ..... If you write down this, it turns out that the Roman Empire, for example, killed many more people than, for example, Stalin demonized by the liberals .... Imagine how many people one family could give ... Children, then grandchildren, then great-grandchildren, etc. and given the scale of their conquests .... So billions can be written on their account ....
    In my opinion, the delusional argument about unborn children is obvious .... So you can write in the bloody maniacs of the condom developer ......

    The article is BOLD MINUS ... but not because I am like an ardent Stalinist and do not want to see anything .... but simply because all the arguments draw only on fools with Bolotnaya .... who do not give a damn about drive ... but think and evaluate with the realities of that time are difficult ... it’s easier to get clever from the well-fed today about Good and Evil .... moreover, the campaign has no idea about the essence of these two things ...

    The article is BOLD MINUS ... but not because I am like an ardent Stalinist and do not want to see anything .... but simply because all the arguments draw only on fools with Bolotnaya .... who do not give a damn about drive ... but think and evaluate with the realities of that time are difficult ... it’s easier to get clever from the well-fed today about Good and Evil .... moreover, the campaign has no idea about the essence of these two things ..

    Quote: Company 8

    8 company BY Today, 09:48
    - -2 +
    Can I really see it - anti-Stalinist article on Topvar !!! ???
    Scha author will be beaten by the crowd and feet, all supporters of dispossession, collectivization, hunger and repression escaped wassat


    OOOO .... The fellow countryman returned .... your regiment arrived .... Now you are TWO .... which means the TRUTH is yours .... and we are all blind teapots .... and accomplices of the bloody dictator .. ..
    And the author really ought to be kicked figuratively ... because I listened to him I remembered a phrase from an anecdote ... "All around n .... sy, I'm the only one D'Artagnan" and no more than some far-fetched philosophy about the Great Tyrant ... and when you comprehend everything published, you come to the conclusion about the one-sided thinking of the author ... and most likely even to insult ... because his grandfather was probably exiled ...

    By the way, my grandfather and great-grandfather were also repressed ... but somehow they are not offended by Stalin .... When evaluating the stories, it turned out that the neighbors wrote denunciations of envy ... and not Stalin and his associates from bloodthirstiness .... and judged assented there are the same envious .... who then divided the great-grandfathers economy ......
    And now the question is ... Is Stalin a bloodthirsty? or neighbors scum?
    1. 8 company
      8 company 18 October 2012 11: 32
      -7
      Quote: Jimm RAINOR
      And now the question is ... Is Stalin a bloodthirsty? or neighbors scum?


      I wrote about it many times, but I can write it again, it’s not difficult for me.
      "You are signaling badly," he told the military at the Military Council in 1937. Comrade Stalin, - And without your signals, neither the military commissar nor the Central Committee can know anything ... Every party member, an honest non-party, a citizen of the USSR not only has the right, but is obliged to report the shortcomings that he notices. If there is at least 5% truth, then this is bread ... 'The leader set a peculiar level of truth, only 5%, and, unfortunately, the Red commanders and political workers swallowed it. Denunciation, encouraged from above, flourished under Stalin. The infamous 58th article on crimes against the state, adopted in 1926, had several clauses which provided for criminal punishment for "failure to report." Denunciations were written both voluntarily and involuntarily, under pressure from the investigation. The mass arrests intimidated the society to the limit and caused a wave of the most diverse denunciations, reaching the point of insanity. A solid work can be written about the forms and methods of denunciation in the Stalinist USSR. Mercantile and everyday denunciations flourished, when a person wrote a denunciation on a neighbor in a communal apartment, hoping in the event of his arrest to occupy the vacated living space. Many heads, including bright and smart ones, flew in the course of the "careerist" denunciation, when the informer hoped to get a higher position. A classic example can be considered the 'case' fabricated at the Reactive Research Institute on the denunciation of an employee of the Institute A.Kostikov to various authorities about 'sabotage activities' at the RNII. Here is a quote from one of Kostikov's denunciations: “... Any introduction of handicraft elements in the entire work of the institute was the reason for the disruption of the use of this weapon in the troops 3-4 years ago. All this was the result of the wrecking actions of the leadership of the institute. ' In June 1938 A. Kostikov headed an expert commission, which provided information for the NKVD about the "sabotage activities" of V.P. Glushko and S.P. Korolev. As a result, almost all the leadership of the RNII and the most prominent designers were arrested. Kleymenov, Langemak and three other people were shot. Korolyov ended up in the Magadan camp; Glushko, Grave and other employees - in Beria's "sharashka". And the vigilant comrade Kostikov in 1938. became the head of the institute transformed into NII-3, received the Hero of Socialist Labor, and for a long time he was considered the sole creator of 'Katyusha'. Only in 1991. By the decree of the President of the USSR M.S.Gorbachev of June 21, I.T.Kleimenov (shot in 1938), G.E. Langemak (shot in 1938), V.N. Luzhin (sentenced in 1940 to 8 years, died in prison was awarded the title of Hero of Socialist Labor.
      1. jimm RAINOR
        jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 11: 50
        +2
        Well, let's say the words "by the decree of the President of the USSR M.S.Gorbachev ...." I do not consider an argument ... there could also be a motley juggling ...
        This time ...
        And secondly, I draw you a parallel with your reasoning about Maniac Leaders and other Bloodages ...

        if you follow your reasoning, it turns out that in all the excesses of the church (tithe, Crusades ....) GOD is personally to blame for he said ... and the Bible says something ... and not the Pope and his sidekick who are Middle East Robbed?
        1. 8 company
          8 company 18 October 2012 12: 15
          -4
          Quote: Jimm RAINOR
          if you follow your reasoning, it turns out that in all the excesses of the church (tithe, Crusades ....) GOD is personally to blame


          My friend, God does not manage the church, she has hierarchs who are involved in this, they are responsible.
      2. dimaas
        dimaas 18 October 2012 12: 01
        +2
        Recently I read that the most famous cannibal who has reached power, the President of the Central African Republic, Jean-Bidel Bokassa, is now remembered with nostalgia in his homeland. The death sentence imposed on him for genocide against the people and cannibalism was not forgotten there. But they relate to this with understanding: yes, he ate people - but then people also ate something ...
      3. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 12: 16
        +3
        About your Kostikov

        In January-February 1944, a government commission headed by Deputy People's Commissar of the Aviation Industry A.S. Yakovlev came to the conclusion that it was necessary to stop work. A. G. Kostikov was accused of deceiving the government, the director of NII-3 was removed from his post, and they were arrested on March 15, 1944.

        He spent eleven and a half months (March 1944 - February 1945) in prison. However, the NKVD did not establish the corpus delicti in Kostikov’s actions, and the case instituted by the USSR Prosecutor’s Office was dismissed. On August 1, 1945, Kostikov had already taken up the post of head of the newly formed bureau in one of the defense institutes.

        And without lies - weakly?
        1. 8 company
          8 company 18 October 2012 13: 37
          -4
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          And without lies - weakly?


          I’m even lazy to argue about Kostikov, I have repeatedly seen how even some Stalin fans in their statements recognized Kostikov as a scammer, because of which the specialists of the RNII were killed and repressed. But justifying the scammer is funny, of course.
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 18 October 2012 13: 58
            +2
            Excuse me? I also suspect that he was still a scammer, but did you figure it out? And it did not bring him much happiness, he died at 51 ...
            1. 8 company
              8 company 18 October 2012 14: 28
              -4
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              Excuse me? I also suspect that he was still a scammer, but did you figure it out?


              Go crazy, and you accused me a little higher in a lie, what was it said?
          2. dmb
            dmb 18 October 2012 14: 08
            +2
            On the issue of denunciations. Judging by your rhetoric, in terms of relations between the state and society, you strive to make your country similar to the European Union. So there, especially in its western part, to "signal" the authorities about the misbehavior of others - dignity is strongly encouraged. Don't you think that in this case the saying about the mirror and the face is appropriate.
            1. 8 company
              8 company 18 October 2012 14: 31
              -2
              Quote: dmb
              "signaling" to the authorities about the wrong behavior of others is a dignity that is encouraged in every possible way. Do you think that in this case the saying in the mirror and in the face is appropriate?


              Don't you think that in the European Union, everyone deeply does not care about the political predilections of the population, and they denounce pure criminality there, in contrast to the Stalinist USSR, where the main point was "counter-revolutionary crimes"?
              1. dmb
                dmb 18 October 2012 16: 07
                0
                And you read what these crimes were, and then explain why it is noble to report a cigarette thrown out of a window, or a drug addict stealing from a neighbor, and inform about an impending terrorist attack (which was not measured in those years), or the organization of a gang You personally zapadlo.
                1. 8 company
                  8 company 18 October 2012 16: 23
                  -3
                  Quote: dmb
                  and to inform about the impending terrorist attack (of which in those years was not measured),


                  Remind, please, at least one terrorist attack from those which "were unmeasured". And tell us about at least one counter-revolutionary gang. Honestly, just wondering.
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 18 October 2012 20: 44
                    +1
                    Let me remind you, you will find the rest, it’s not difficult. On 7 of June 1927 of the year, the ROVS detonated a bomb in the party club of the Leningrad Communist University. Yes, but the name Savinkov, is there something you are saying? Regarding the gangs, I remind you that the Basmachi and the UPA were not engaged in charitable activities at all. Fists also did not write proclamations, but regularly fired from sawn-off shotguns. Pavlik Morozov, of course, is a controversial figure, (although with such a behavior of the pope regarding his mother, he can also be considered a humanist), but I notice to myself that he was killed when he was only 13 years old. And along with him, by the way, his younger brother, who was not 10, was killed. Well, I think enough of you.
                    1. 8 company
                      8 company 19 October 2012 09: 35
                      -1
                      Quote: dmb
                      Fists, too, did not write proclamations, but regularly fired from sawn-off shotguns


                      You are looking rather weak, but I will help you:
                      According to data from various sources cited by O.V. Khlevnyuk, in January 1930 346 mass performances were recorded, in which 125 thousand people took part, in February - 736 (220 thousand), in the first two weeks of March - 595 ( about 230 thousand), excluding Ukraine, where unrest covered 500 settlements. In March 1930, as a whole, in the Crimea and Central Asia were registered in Belarus, the Central Black Earth Region, the Lower and Middle Volga Region, the North Caucasus, Siberia, the Urals, the Leningrad, Moscow, Western, Ivanovo-Ascension Regions, and the Crimea and Central Asia 1642 mass peasant demonstrations in which at least 750-800 thousand people took part. In Ukraine at that time more than a thousand settlements were swept by unrest. [12
                      Complete counter-revolution ...
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 19 October 2012 10: 54
                        +1
                        Well, then I have not only answered your question. but also convinced him that he was right. You see, you even read something yourself. True, a gentleman with a significant surname Khlevnyuk can claim truth with the same success as Mr. Prokhanov. I terribly dislike traitors from among the ideological workers who have successfully "recovered their sight" exactly after August 1991. And mister Khlevnyuk turned to accusers just at that time.
                      2. 8 company
                        8 company 19 October 2012 11: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: dmb
                        True, a gentleman with a significant surname Khlevnyuk can claim the truth with the same success,


                        Here are those times, now tell us about how happy peasants joyfully dragged their property to collective farms, and especially wealthy people with songs and dances went to exile in Siberia? And a year later they began to eat each other, when the quinoa ended, in the name of glorious ideas and a wise leader? I won’t be surprised, however.
                      3. dmb
                        dmb 19 October 2012 15: 38
                        0
                        It is unlikely that you will find such in my writing. But I remember that you asked for completely different examples. I brought them. You agreed with them. As for the happy peasants, as a lover of numbers you can well find the number of peasant population for that period, compare this with the number of other social groups and remember that the arms on hand after the civil war were bigger than now. Then explain to yourself (if you really want the truth), as well as to others, how this armed mass could be forcibly driven into collective farms.
                      4. 8 company
                        8 company 19 October 2012 16: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: dmb
                        how could this armed mass be forcibly driven into collective farms.


                        Have you tried to defend yourself from army units in wooden huts full of women and children? Try it, then you will understand how exactly this even armed mass was driven into collective farms. Read Sholokhov’s letters to Stalin, he describes there too - how exactly this was done. In my opinion, it quite intelligibly describes, even Stalin understood.
                      5. dmb
                        dmb 19 October 2012 18: 35
                        0
                        Lasciviousness, alas, is not a rare trait. I offered you specifics. but in other places you are very actively citing figures in this case, for obvious reasons, you do not want to, and go to the usual liberal mantras. From which I conclude, the truth interests you least of all, and then I stop correspondence with you as unnecessary.
                      6. Stary oper
                        21 October 2012 00: 38
                        -1
                        dmb
                        If Sholokhov for you refers to "the usual liberal mantras", then there really is nothing to argue about.
                2. Piligrim
                  Piligrim 20 October 2012 21: 39
                  -1
                  So what, who have they been banned for 10 years for a cigarette, dmb? What do you compare one place with a finger?
                  you better answer this paradox. Pinochet (I hope you know this) drove through the courts for 700 people killed. And he was considered a dictator for the whole world. And then how do you look at your Stalin ??? certainly not 700 people!
                  How about this incident in your head?
      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2012 14: 39
        +8
        Well yes. Today, reading is just awful, and even ... eghkm hair ... in general, and there, too, stand on end. Because this terrible document in the minds of the reader calmly so shifted to today's situation. And it is completely forgotten that the TA situation is not at all like today.
        Can you imagine what the vertical of the Soviet power at the beginning of 20 represented at that time? What is the number of scumbags with guns taxied on the ground? Which solved questions not even in the style of Al Capone (with a good word and a gun you can achieve much more than with a kind word), but simply - a bullet between the eyes without any words?
        You just don't understand what society was like then. "Wild 90s" against this background looks like ... well, like a three-year-old boy with a toy sword against the background of a serial killer who has gone out of his way. You are used to living IN THE SYSTEM and BY THE RULES and they seem to you unshakable and that it has always been so. And this was not always the case. Vissarionych is just that person who, whether good or bad, created that SYSTEM in which you were born and lived. And he did not have any personnel for this, no experience, no knowledge - nothing.
        And yet he solved his problems. Already for this alone it is worthwhile to take the trouble to LEARN that epoch before making judgments of a very general nature.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 58
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Already for this alone it is worth giving yourself the work to STUDY that era before making judgments of the most general nature.

          It is a pity that I can put only one "+". drinks
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 October 2012 15: 05
            +2
            Thank:))) drinks
  26. apro
    apro 18 October 2012 11: 09
    +2
    Kicking and dousing them, they magnify the IVS Stalin, because the most powerful and crushing blow to the authority of the Great Ruler could only be if they achieved a greater result in the administration of the state, raised the authority of the country and the welfare of our people, but it’s impossible for them to achieve their hands are sharpened under anything else and apart from Baltology that are not capable.
  27. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 11: 14
    -3
    Quote: Company 8

    I want to support the Stalinists, who were a little embarrassed at the sight of the anti-Stalinist article, and say that only under Stalin Russia was able to achieve maximum mortality from starvation: during 1932-1933, at least 7 million corpses of ordinary peasants. Neither before nor after Stalin was this level achieved by any of the Russian rulers.
    Moreover, it was the great leader who achieved the maximum world indicators in the field of military defeats: in 2 months 1941. - several "boilers" with incredible amounts of l / s and equipment losses; the leader, of course, is the Kiev boiler with 600 surrounded. Worthy of the Guinness Book of Records, definitely.
    Yes, and the Russian Stalinists themselves can be safely added to the book of records - only in Russia there are such a large number of people who seriously justify the mass destruction of their own people by a frank alien.


    judging by the above, I suggest you change your comrade's nickname to a more informative one .... like "Unwise-minded" or "5th column" but not the 8th company ...
    but better idik to our fellow-countryman bellowing opposition ... which only knows how to tryndet like gavriki with Bolotnaya ... only the Russians have "Russia without Putin" ... and we have "Lukashenko is a scoundrel" ... the fact that some others are similar only in that they were removed from the trough, which is why they shout ... that all the scoundrels ... but in fact they simply do not allow them to trade a little homeland too ...
    1. 8 company
      8 company 18 October 2012 16: 55
      0
      Quote: Jimm RAINOR
      judging by the aforementioned, I suggest you change your comrade's nickname to a more informative one .... like "Unwise thinking" or "5 column"


      And I suggest you change your nickname to Jim-Russophobe-love-Caucasians. Will suit you.
      1. Stary oper
        18 October 2012 22: 08
        +1
        Sorry to put a continuation of my answer under your comment, but otherwise does not accept.
        Read more.
        Now about the comrades who are actively pursuing their position in inciting hatred of Judaism. I repeat. There are sects and movements in all religions. And in Judaism, and in Christianity, and in Islam. Once again, religions have always been used as a means of exerting influence on a person and on his actions. What does it mean to declare war, albeit ideological, against some religion? This means provoking powerful opposition from worshipers of this cult, up to unpredictable consequences. Imagine that on the basis of the existence of Islamic extremism, someone will start to urge to fight with all of Islam? What will happen? Or vice versa. There are totalitarian sects with roots from Christianity. So what? Will we fight against him? Similarly, with Judaism. Understand that it is impossible to draw general conclusions on the basis of private. They will object to me: what now, let them do what they want? My answer is no. But it is necessary to fight them not with the propaganda of universal anti-Judaism, but with the help of the law. There are specific calls and incitements to extremist activities, or to incite ethnic hatred - let those who deal with this answer according to the law. But what am I watching here? And here's what. Carefully selected videos and campaign materials that a person who is not particularly knowledgeable causes a desire (albeit internal) to act on the principle: Beat the Jews! Save Russia! And, most importantly, people who incite to this imperceptibly clearly understand what they are doing and what it will lead to. But for this they need totalitarian power. Therefore, the theme of Stalin is constantly being discussed. Since if we get even into the likeness of those times, then their ideas will be able to come true. As you do not understand, in this case, Stalin and the game of nostalgia for a powerful power that was reckoned with in the world is only an instrument in their methods. And, interestingly, now they are enjoying the rights that democracy gives in promoting their ideas. But if they achieve their goals, you can forget about this right. Farther. Once again, I want to ask each of those shouting here: what can the interfaith struggle in Russia lead to? Toward a contraction of the country to the scale of the Moscow principality? So are these people patriots? And who is the even greater enemy of the country: how do the "liberal intelligentsia" or "patriots" of such a flood like to say here? By the way, looking through these campaign materials, you can calmly collect materials for criminal prosecution for inciting ethnic and religious hatred. I’m no longer talking about a poster blasphemous from my point of view - this is where the toilets stand instead of the stoves that were installed to the victims of the Holocaust in Berlin. What is interesting is that everyone has already taken this for granted. And why didn’t anyone answer in response to the well-known photograph of children in a concentration camp where they show numbers on their hands? Are we human or not? Or if they were Jewish children, then this does not concern us? I wonder when this fighter of the ideological front is going to heal the shaky health in Europe, does he show these posters at the embassy? Or are they for internal use only? I just want to say who does not know that in Germany this person would have sat down for such propaganda for a couple of years without a doubt. Therefore, to those who say that the nickname "Old Opera" implies the presence of logic, I want to say. Everything is in order with logic.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 October 2012 08: 37
          +2
          Quote: Stary oper
          I’m no longer talking about a poster blasphemous from my point of view - this is where the toilets stand instead of the stoves that were installed to the victims of the Holocaust in Berlin.

          Eugene, did you become afraid of direct dialogue? Well then, wise! All the time to get hands on unconfirmed comments is not entirely pleasant, but to knock on the clave is hunting! I understand you.
          But even the pro-Zionist UN organization made a decision regarding the "Holocaust", which was not entirely pleasant for "many". I bring to your attention:
          The UN position on the explosive issue of the so-called “Holocaust denial” has so far been unclear. And finally, the 11nd meeting of the UN Human Rights Committee was held at the UN from July 29 to 2011, 102, at which it was adopted for all states that signed the UN Human Rights Convention (including Germany, France, Austria and Switzerland) The following binding decision:

          “Laws that pursue the expression of opinion in relation to historical facts are incompatible with the obligations that the Convention imposes on signatory states regarding respect for freedom of speech and freedom of expression. The Convention does not allow any general prohibition on expressing an erroneous opinion or misinterpreting past events. ” (Paragraph 49, CCPR / C / GC / 34)

          It goes without saying that only free research and free discussion can establish which opinions are “wrong” and which interpretations are “wrong”. This is a matter of science, not a criminal judge. And the result of research can never be considered so final that when new facts and conclusions appeared, it would not be possible to revise it. A rule that acts for science, naturally, must act in the same way for justice of the rule of law. Therefore, the decision of the UN Human Rights Committee definitely refers to the French law on the persecution, which was adopted, in particular, against the French Holocaust researcher Professor Robert Forisson. Footnotes 9 and 116 clearly refer to the “Law of Forisson”:

          “The so-called“ laws of memory ”as in Forisson v. France, no. 550/93” (“So called‚ memory-laws ”, see Faurisson vs. France. No. 550/93”) Concerning the Forisson case, the decision clearly states :

          “Opinions on any issues are protected, including political, scientific, historical, moral or religious issues. The criminalization of a person’s own opinion is incompatible with paragraph 1. Harassment, intimidation or stigmatization of a person, including arrest, detention, trial or imprisonment for opinions that he may hold, is a violation of article 1, paragraph 19 ”.

          The decision of the Committee at least means that the laws already in force are illegal and that they were unlawful even at their adoption, so that all convictions made over the past time should be canceled, and convicts should be compensated.

          Hope further comments are redundant.
          RS If you need help with working with historical documents - do not hesitate to contact. I try to help. And then it becomes boring to argue with you. Apparently, in order to become "not the last person in the Russian Internet", the skill of working with an electronic archive is optional. Good luck to you. hi
  28. Dema239
    Dema239 18 October 2012 12: 23
    +4
    I recommend G. Klimov to read, a rather intelligible analysis of Stalin's domestic policy, which largely explains who and why Stalin initially drove to the camps and executions, although IMHO was not without serious busts because of too much zealous efforts of the performers and a protracted era of repression. .
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 October 2012 12: 53
      +1
      Well, it should be noted that people who carry out repressions, whether they like it or not, begin to identify themselves with the arbiters of fate (Yezhov is a prime example) and it’s very difficult to keep your head in this case, hence the so-called busts, again IMHO ...
  29. Horla
    Horla 18 October 2012 13: 48
    +2
    If God willing, a normal government will appear in our country, then no Stalinist camps will be enough for the devastation that some red-haired democrats and others like them have caused in our country. Still, the current government does not like to say that after the "correct" privatization a huge number of enterprises and real estate objects fell into the hands of foreign capital. After all, at the time of privatization, the Russians simply did not have money, and we all know what the voucher actually cost. And what happened to the army? And only with the flourishing of democracy in our country is constantly decreasing population, there were many homeless and beggars. And for such things, the normal government will transfer cartridge factories to work in three shifts.
  30. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 18 October 2012 13: 56
    +4
    I did not see anything new in the article. Unsupported and well-known anti-Stalinist myths. And in the end, of course, the conclusion that Stalinism is being propagated by some mysterious "puppeteers".

    One thing is obvious to me. A healthy state creates the conditions for career advancement for those who are able to CREATE. If conditions are created for those who are able to steal, this is an unhealthy state.

    Under Comrade Stalin, the conditions for work were created by Korolev, Malyshev, Tupolev, Morozov, Shashmurin and ... the list can be continued on many more sheets ... (just don’t tell me that they all sat in sharashka. Yes, before the war some (and very few) of them were thus transferred to a barracks position, but then they had cars and cottages).
    Look who lives in cottage villages on Rublevka now, and all your questions will disappear yourself.

    And now - attention! We take the inhabitants of these cottage villages and honestly deal with their sources of income. What do you think: how many people will sit with us?
    I’m afraid that as much as under Comrade Stalin. Although most likely - more ... smile
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 27
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      What do you think: how many people will sit with us?

      And this is even in the absence of the death penalty. For these "figures" I would introduce it. good
  31. Egoza
    Egoza 18 October 2012 14: 12
    +6
    Quote: 8 company
    under Stalin, Russia was able to achieve maximum mortality from starvation: during 1932-1933, at least 7 million corpses of ordinary peasants.


    What are you talking about? Yes, in Ukraine alone, over the years of "independence" there is no longer 6 million plus a tail!

    Quote: raf
    His personal estate was the weight of the Soviet Union!


    And what did he have from this, except for a headache? In addition, if you are quoting E. Radzinsky, then at least take his words in quotation marks. And let's talk completely. A person who considers himself the last victim of Stalinist repression, says that in the current situation of the country, he is also ready to say: “Give Stalin!”
    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 18 October 2012 14: 18
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      And what did he have from this, except for a headache?

      I left behind a pair of french suits, two pairs of boots, smoking pipes and something else very funny - an alarm clock, in my opinion. There were no inventory numbers at his summer cottages except on sheets, but on the walls reproductions pictures. Some of them are from magazines.
      Yes, dwarfs cannot understand the motives of this man ...
    2. 8 company
      8 company 18 October 2012 14: 32
      -5
      Quote: Egoza
      What are you talking about? Yes, in Ukraine alone, over the years of "independence" there is no longer 6 million plus a tail!


      And right all died out of hunger? Near you? And you did nothing?
      1. Uncle Serozha
        Uncle Serozha 18 October 2012 14: 39
        +4
        The argument about the Holodomor has been disproved so many times that it is somehow even inconvenient to spend time on it. There were studies of the frequency of hunger in Russia and Ukraine, citing statistics of mass famine in the Russian Empire. True, for some reason, the tsar-priest was not presented, and even the saints were counted ...
        It seems to me that for complete objectivity, the "Bloody Stalinist regime" (©) should be blamed at the same time and solar eclipses. They specially organized them for the purpose of mass psychological terror. winked

        Well, in general, it’s the same record - they would have come up with something new for a change or something ... And it’s not interesting straight! wink
      2. Rezun
        Rezun 18 October 2012 16: 36
        +3
        But in vain you, 8 company, like this .... I remember in the late 90s (97-98 gg.) in my city on new cladbishte eight sectors increased ....
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 18 October 2012 17: 00
        +1
        My hometown, population about 150 000 people, mortality on average 5 - 6 people per day, fertility 2 people again on average. I understand that many factors affect mortality and fertility and now even some kind of shift in this issue is mainly due to newcomers ... And not from hunger, of course, with the average age of 45-50 years, the average age of residents 35-40 years ... Naturally, he cited the average figures, but here is such sad statistics at what the official ...

        Question. How long will my hometown die out? Will it be considered a famine at the behest of bloody Putin?
    3. raf
      raf 20 October 2012 00: 29
      0
      I did not quote Radzinsky, I do not like him! Honestly, these are my words!
  32. NIKOLAI T
    NIKOLAI T 18 October 2012 14: 26
    +5
    Ornate bullshit, not able to powder brains to normal people.
    And in idiots they are already powdered.
  33. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 18 October 2012 14: 44
    +6
    "The number of those convicted for political reasons (for" counter-revolutionary crimes ") in the USSR for the period from 1921 to 1953, that is, for 33 years, amounted to about 3,8 million people" you still have a very real chance of going to jail at the whim of some official (they quarreled, for example, with the prosecutor on the issue of the parking lot). And how many prisoners are there in Russia now? And since there is no difference, then Stalin clearly looks better against the background of the modern elite.

    "and those children who were not born due to the fact that their possible parents were repressed or died of hunger", the number of victims will increase by an order of magnitude. - if the grandmother had ... ... th, she would be a grandfather.

    "The consequence of the bloody purge was a sharp decline in intellectual potential in the army and navy." - what is this "intellectual potential" and how is it measured? And what was he like before the "bloody purges" ???

    "those who died from artificial starvation" - one of the reasons for which was sabotage on the part of the "liberal strata" (as, for example, the destruction of grain and livestock - "if only the communists did not get it")

    "" Religion is a special form of awareness of the world, conditioned by belief in the supernatural, including a set of moral standards and types of behavior," - yes, religion can be bad !!!

    "First, the Bible, like Judaism based on it" - with x ... did Judaism become based on the Bible ??? He is centuries older than the Bible.

    Nationalism is bad, but it is the only way to save the nation. Whoever wants to can be a beast, I personally am Russian.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      I personally am Russian.

      drinks
  34. wbigfire
    wbigfire 18 October 2012 14: 55
    +1
    Jimm RAINOR, countryman, do not get angry.
    I have been looking at this site for a long time. He's not worth it to waste his nerves. And the 8th company, in my opinion, = 5th column. Like the author of this article, they most likely belong to this very cohort of Jews, Jews, Semites, or whatever they call themselves, to hide their essence. They feel that Slavic self-awareness is growing and understand that this does not bring anything good for them. All their troubles and moral somersaults were always smashed against the Slavic directness and firmness. So they are worried, so they are shouting about the "alien" Stalin, and all only because he had firmness and will. And this is for them - even a howl, in such an environment they cannot turn their pretzels. So spit. Not worth your attention.
  35. taseka
    taseka 18 October 2012 15: 14
    +4
    It's just that the people of Russia have already gotten those gadads who knock down women and children on cadillacs at the transition under a green traffic light, and at the same time they say to the traffic cops with a drunken smirk - "you are a sukaka to me, on your knees, by order of the authorities, you will crawl to give these rights with flowers! "
    I, like Stalin, are ready to shoot this scum from machine guns !!!
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 18 October 2012 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: taseka
      I, like Stalin, are ready to shoot this scum from machine guns !!!

      A lot of honor for them. Enough of that too. hi
  36. wax
    wax 18 October 2012 15: 40
    +5
    Just the "puppeteers" are afraid of the truth about Stalin like fire. And Volkogonov, Yakovlev and others who rewrote history have a place in the trash heap. After Stlin's death, there were no leaders of our state of this magnitude. The pygmies tried to discredit Stalin in full in order to exalt themselves. And what? Almost 60 years have passed since Stalin's death, such tubs of mud have been thrown out that anyone else would have been drowned forever in oblivion and hatred. But no, it doesn't work. And why? But because the historical truth cannot be cast aside with tubs of dirt - there are too many documents. And the historical memory of the people is still alive. Look, who is not lazy, the memoirs of Golovanov - the Chief Marshal of Aviation and Grabin - the designer of artillery systems. They were not published even in Brezhnev's time due to the fact that Stalin is shown there as the memoirists saw him.
    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/golovanov_ae/pre.html
    http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/grabin/pre.html
    And then try to throw a stone at Stalin.

  37. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 15: 49
    +5
    Quote: wbigfire
    Jimm RAINOR, countryman, do not get angry.
    I have been looking at this site for a long time. He's not worth it to waste his nerves. And the 8th company, in my opinion, = 5th column. Like the author of this article, they most likely belong to this very cohort of Jews, Jews, Semites, or whatever they call themselves, to hide their essence. They feel that Slavic self-awareness is growing and understand that this does not bring anything good for them. All their troubles and moral somersaults were always smashed against the Slavic directness and firmness. So they are worried, so they are shouting about the "alien" Stalin, and all only because he had firmness and will. And this is for them - even a howl, in such an environment they cannot turn their pretzels. So spit. Not worth your attention.


    Yes, my wife behaves in exactly the same way as the "8th company - 5th column" ..... arguments are limited to words, he knew everything, contributed and almost shot himself .... but as my objections go, mad eyes .... foam at the mouth lack of arguments other than those described above - lack of my own assessment and thoughts .... fingers in my ears .... the words "I don't want to listen" ... etc. Well, with my wife, I like- I’ll manage it .... but to be honest, I would have to go to Goodwin from The Wizard of the Emerald City to the Scarecrow of brains and maybe give him ... God willing, they will get accustomed ...

    In general, summing up the debate about Stalin and this scribble, I want to remind you of the eastern wisdom ... "Dogs bark - the caravan goes" .... Let the dogs bark .... And we will go in caravan to the goal .... And they are mongrels for that and there are mongrels to bark ....))))
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 18 October 2012 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: Jimm RAINOR
      Yes, my wife behaves in exactly the same way as the "8th company - 5th column"

      Listen up! I really understand you!!!
      Sorry to immediately on YOU! ...
      ... I completely agree with you ... those who are not given, there is no demand from them. But unfortunately they have the right to an opinion!
    2. 8 company
      8 company 18 October 2012 16: 28
      0
      Quote: Jimm RAINOR
      And we will go to the goal in a caravan .... And mongrel, they are mongrel for barking ....))))



      As you go, the author of the article showed very clearly in the photograph where a group of old people with a poster Dzhugashvili wanders somewhere. And where do you get so much hatred from your own people that you are ready to tear it to pieces by the uneducated, insidious Caucasian. Strange little people, with a brain completely affected by the Russophobia virus, which is clearly not being treated.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 18 October 2012 17: 13
        +1
        I didn’t want to get involved, but the little arms are itchy.
        In general, he graduated from the seminary, at that time it was impossible to call him uneducated, they characterize him as a progmatic, thoughtful person with an analytical mind. Again, Nicholas II also did not shine with special knowledge (what's the point that the best governors taught him, from his interests only geography is somehow), for that he chopped wood well, everyone knows the result of the reign of Nicholas the Bloody (I will not give an assessment to Nicholas the Tsar, according to at least not in this article). So one shouldn't call Stalin "an illiterate Caucasian".

        Read it at your leisure ...
        http://otechestvennaya.narod.ru/pages/biografy/stalin_2.html
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 18 October 2012 22: 20
        +5
        Understanding of Stalin comes with education - a template about an uneducated Caucasian was in my school, influenced by the intrusion of Khrushchev’s graduation, and as I studied the question, my opinion changed - 4 languages, working as an observatory counter, financial independence from my youth (robbed banks), working with designers just as a customer, his own work on the economy, and real and relevant after him ... And somehow he did not get lost with foreign politicians, was a difficult partner for them in negotiations ... And the state saw it as a unified system, developed in a balanced way .. .
        Just study the subject and the point of view will change.
        As an example, neo-pagans can be cited - Ukrainians have restored a copy of Perun's pillar in Kiev and are dancing around with elements of folk karate, and high-level physics is shown on the pillar with mustache-shaped symbols and an eye - a diagram of a comet explosion with hypersound, synthesis and a temporary transition, but for "dancers" it is not visible, for them Perun is the god of the ax.
        There are simply different levels of understanding and acceptance of the primitive - a step backward or to the side.
    3. Piligrim
      Piligrim 20 October 2012 21: 45
      -1
      In this situation about the caravan, you mixed up places. The caravan is OUR RUSSIA, and mongrel is you (not your time)! And with each new election, you are less and less! and you bark quieter and quieter!
  38. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 17: 06
    +4
    8 company,
    You are nice, man, do not offend the old people .... They just deserve respect ... It’s time ....
    Russophobia is not about me it's two .....
    It seems that you are making conclusions on the same principle as my wife .... that is, convenient for you alone .. for any arguments against you start a tale about the Bloody Maniac ....
    Hence the conclusion - you have only one argument and you’ll deal around it ....

    You know, looking at you, I remember the movie "Matrix-1" where Morpheus just said to Neo:
    - Some people have become so dependent on the Matrix that they can no longer imagine their life without it ... And they will protect it to death ".. something like that ...

    Where are we going .... The old men show it ....: "We are not dead .. We are .... We remember ..." .... and judging by the site, the case continues to live .... So that's all .... such a caravan ... asks questions to different people ... And different people except chanting Stalin-Gulag-repression ... can do nothing .... they even defend their topic more and more difficult ... such a caravan ...))))) And God willing we will reach ...
    And you have some advice ... Go for the Bugor there like you like .... Even the money will be paid by Aki Solzhenitsyn or Astafyev .... so that he watered the old people with mud and kicked the dead .... Go .... Please ... And you will have happiness there and it will be easier for us to raise the country ...)))))

    PS And you offend the old people in vain ..... This is not good .... It does not fit with the image of the Fighter for Moral values ​​created by you ...
    1. 8 company
      8 company 18 October 2012 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: Jimm RAINOR
      And you have some advice ... Go for the Bugor there like you like .... Even the money will be paid by Aki Solzhenitsyn or Astafyev .... so that he watered the old people with mud and kicked the dead .... Go .... Please ... And you will have happiness there and it will be easier for us to raise the country ...)))))


      Thanks for the advice, but I feel good in my homeland. In my opinion, it was you who were going to go somewhere forward, to the shining heights of Stalinism, here you’re stomping. I advise in North Korea - the only remaining Stalinist system in the world. True, you’ll have to change your orientation, switch from love for a Caucasian to a love for a Korean, but don’t worry: he was a brutal leader and this one too. Good luck When you get to the collective farm rice plantations and get a hoe, write a letter. I will answer, I promise.
  39. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 18 October 2012 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: Company 8
    honor with love for a Caucasian for love for a Korean, but don’t worry: he was brutal

    In your homeland are you okay ??? ... To sit and grind rubbish .... Well, so our homeland fell into 16 pieces of these ..... and then in 1991 from the TV-drenched scumbag you like and climbed out of the TV ...
    and by the way, the Stalinist ideas of the structure of society were almost 100% accepted by the Japanese .... and therefore it was very interesting that, according to their admission, the process dragged on for 40 years ....
    And now about the Caucasians and Koreans ...
    Man .... you seem to be a nationalist (I hope not yet a fascist) because you already call people not by name but by nationality .... I remember Goebels and Hitler sinned with this .... The Germans carried a blizzard corresponding to them .. They were also good at home ... and where did they lead her? So go, you are our individual peasant ...)))) I would like it to be in the USA ... the more such individual peasants there are, the sooner they will ruin this tan into specific principalities ...)))) At the same time, you will benefit us ))) Only ur agreement "de..mocracy" in the parcels not to send .... this farce does not grow here ... Not the ground underfoot)))))

    Lan dispute comes to a standstill .... Therefore, it's time to finish ... I leave the last word to you ..... you can then be proud of him, say, "like won" .... Good luck and the fastest Green Card)))))
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 18 October 2012 21: 01
      +5
      For
      jimm RAINOR
      For 8 companies-5 columns
      Good afternoon! If you and your 8th company have not a "private" fight and everyone can join it wink I want to take this opportunity., especially since, like me, you have been accused of Russophobia and Georgian love. One gets the impression that such charges the 8th company throws to the opponent when he runs out of arguments. But I would like to transfer the polemic into a different direction, especially since during the polemic someone brought the 8th company and the author of the article into one company.
      Reading the comments of the 8th company, the question constantly revolves in my head - "Who are the judges? ..
      For those who do not know, the -8th company is a former political worker, graduated from a military school, fought in Afghanistan, at least that's how he wrote about himself .. In my understanding, a political worker is not just a military man who defends his country, but a military man who also protects the country and the ideology by which this country lives. I was not present at the political information and political hours that the 8th company conducted, but those who served in the late 70s and in the first half of the 80s will understand what topics were raised by the 8th company in political studies. For some reason I am sure that you, the 8th company, told, "how good it is to live in a Soviet country", what wise leaders are Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev and how we will all heal well if we follow "democratization, glasnost, pluralism" ... Tell me, 8th company, do you still have the notes of your political studies with the soldiers? It would be interesting to compare what you defended and promoted then and what you defend and promote now. I think your colleagues and subordinates would learn a lot about you ..
      As far as I understand, you swore several times both when you received an officer rank and when you joined the party - and WHAT? By the way, what is the fate of your membership card?
      If you do not mind, I will move on to quotes from your posts "...
      A kind of level of truth was set by the leader, only 5%, and in fact it was swallowed by the red commanders and political workers, unfortunately. "--- Yes, Stalin abruptly clamped down on the truth, but in his absence, after 30 years, you could tell the truth in political studies and about repressions, and about hunger and the domination of the nomenklatura ... Although, no, they could not .. after all, as you said in one of the posts, you learned about the repressions only at the beginning of 90, and you knew about them earlier , but did not know that it was bad (this is generally a masterpiece of political resourcefulness)
      If you wish, you can also cite examples of political politicians' "adherence to principles" and "striving for truth", and "the desire to open the eyes of the younger generation" in the posts of the 8th company is enough of such "good", but I would like to end with a paraphrasing of a well-known anecdote ... and these people trying to forbid us to respect Stalin .. "
      Alexander 1958
      PS For 8 companies
      Reading your posts I could not get rid of the impression that I already read written in this style, something painfully familiar, but could not remember who wrote it ... And now, re-reading your posts it dawned on me- GORBACHEV! Your pathos, juggling with facts, quotes, pathetics is his school! They say that the former cops do not exist .. I would add, and the political leaders!
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 19 October 2012 08: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        If you and the 8th company are not in a "private" fight and everyone can join it, I want to take this opportunity.

        As said "not the last person in the Russian Internet" user "Old Opera"
        "open blog discussions cannot be private and are available to everyone."
        (certainly not verbatim, but a quote), so welcome ...
      2. 8 company
        8 company 19 October 2012 11: 02
        +2
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        For 8 companies-5 columns


        For Russophobia fan Dzhugashvili - Alexander 1958.
        You have worn me out, citizen, with your harassment. How many times have already explained that you will not be able to convert me to your misanthropic faith, I will never, in one voice with the Stalinists, justify the destruction of my people in especially sophisticated forms - by hunger, camps, torture and executions - by some "higher considerations" and "strategic necessities".
        As for political studies, I will reveal a little secret: in the Soviet Army, it was not the company’s political officers who were mainly engaged in political studies, but the platoon commanders with their platoons and exactly the same red party cards in their pockets as the political officers. As for oaths: not an oath, but an oath, I gave "to the Soviet people, the Motherland and the Soviet government." The people and the Motherland did not go anywhere, as I was devoted to them, I remained. I’m not a Stalinist to exchange love for my people for love for a Caucasian psychopath with delusions of grandeur. And for the government, excuse me, I will not run, since it has fled in all directions. At that time, when it was scattering, I was just on a business trip to restore order in a war-torn Soviet republic. So, disrespectful Russophobe, go through the forest, as they say. negative
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 19 October 2012 13: 16
          +1
          For 8 companies -5 columns
          You misunderstood me - no one was going to ... "convert me to your misanthropic faith .." - God forbid to have such co-religionists, then there is no need for enemies ..
          You were well taught at the Novosibirsk school not to answer uncomfortable questions, pretend that you can’t hear them ..
          Once again, where is the party card, Zin.?
          .. * in the Soviet Army, it was not political companies that were engaged in political activities, but platoon commanders with their platoons and exactly the same red party cards in their pockets as those of the political leaders. - How interesting, what did the political commanders do then? Proud of the social system? Yes, you had a hard job .. No.
          The oath - the oath - is all one. Well, how did you defend the "socialist Motherland"?
          .. "disrespectful Russophobe, walk in the forest, as they say." - very political in politics. I think the "style" of your answers is clearly estimated in the number of minuses!
          Alexander 1958
  40. Go
    Go 18 October 2012 21: 06
    +4
    An article in the Yakovlevso-Goebbels spirit, therefore, refers to the rotten Volkogonov, etc.
    Regarding Stalin, I was brought up in the spirit of the 22 party congress. But perestroika and, especially, post-perestroika forced to completely change their attitude towards Stalin. Whatever it is, this is the greatest politician in the history of mankind and, undoubtedly, the most seductive figure in the history of Russia, the USSR, the CIS.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 19 October 2012 08: 46
      0
      Quote: shko
      therefore, it refers to the rotten Volkogonov, etc.

      What is the source, so is the author. "+"
  41. Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 18 October 2012 22: 01
    +2
    Good afternoon!
    After reading the article, I agree with its negative assessment, but the conclusion from it may seem unusual to someone, but I still express it.
    What in Ukraine, what in Russia, the forces opposing the bacchanalia of the last 20 years, although numerous in number, are not organized and ideologically divided. The mass media were totally captured by the pack of those who came to power in 1991, which is why the very appearance of the name of Stalin in the press and on television, even in a negative light, is surprising. One gets the impression that someone is probing or preparing the way for the appearance of Stalin-2, but in an understanding different from the one on our site and in mine, personally.
    Those liberal ideas that have prevailed over the past 20 years have led our countries, especially Ukraine, if not to collapse, then to the abyss and the ruling elite is looking for ways to leave so as to stay. Do you want Stalin, get it! But it will not be Stalin the creator and defender of the country, the lack of money and a thunderstorm of nomenclature, but the tyrant who will protect the rich and take away from the poor, under the pretext of saving the country.
    I remember how they caught me on the promises of democratization and other benefits in the early 90's. And yet, yes - much needed to be changed in equality before the law, and raising the standard of living, and reducing military spending, and the development of science, etc. As a result, everything turned out the opposite - everyone is equal before the law, but there is even more equal, the standard of living has increased, but only for some at the expense of everyone else, military spending has been reduced, but there is no army or security for the country - it can go on forever.
    I repeat once again - under the guise of a "new Stalin" we can slip a new Yeltsin, who also began with a "struggle against the nomenklatura", and ended up with the collapse of everything created before him and the arrival of a new nomenclature. If Stalin-1 is both development and repression against opponents of development, then Stalin-2 can be both collapse and repression against opponents of collapse! I want to end the post with the words of the anti-fascist, communist writer Julius Fucik: "People! Be careful! .."
    With uv. Alexander 1958
  42. 12Ural12
    12Ural12 18 October 2012 22: 06
    +2
    Citizen of the old operas. Read what Stalin wrote about Jews, Jewry, Zionism and other evil spirits.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 19 October 2012 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: 12Ural12
      Citizen of the old operas. Read what Stalin wrote about Jews, Jewry, Zionism and other evil spirits.

      He is not interested. Other tasks ... yes
  43. Stary oper
    18 October 2012 22: 06
    -2
    So, as they say, dear ladies and gentlemen, comrades and respected foreign guests!
    For the lack of the opportunity to answer personally to everyone, and some, to be honest, for the lack of desire, I will allow myself a few words, so to speak, essentially of yours, for the most part, angry remarks. So, let's begin...
    It’s simply not worth answering insults, because I understand that the indignation was so strong that under his pressure the upbringing receded. For I truly believe that among the stern defenders of those good and glorious times, there are definitely no ill-educated people.
    Now essentially. What was the article about? About Stalin? To a lesser extent. For that matter, there has already been so much talk about him, so many copies have been broken, so many different quotes, that only these conversations can be published in three volumes, at least. This is, frankly, sore mouth. Here, after all, it was more about those who glorifies him and why and who and for what fuels popular love for the leader of all peoples. Someone did not like the quotes in the article. Not the ones you see, the authors you are used to seeing here. So what? It’s already good that we do not live in those times, that everyone can express their point of view. Is this not an achievement of democracy, which here has become almost an abusive word? Or does someone mean by this word only his right to express views? I think that no sane person will reject this. I'm not talking about marginals.
    Продолжение следует ...
  44. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 18 October 2012 22: 14
    +3
    The article is openly boorish, insulting honest people. On the street for this you can get it in the face. This is the product of the "democrats" who destroyed and plundered the best that was in the USSR. But we must somehow justify the "achievements" of the present times in education, health care and defense, raising the standard of living, in caring for the elderly.
  45. Nechai
    Nechai 18 October 2012 22: 29
    +2
    Read to:
    “The retreat of the summer of 1942 was the result, first of all, of the decisions of the Supreme Commander himself.
    This is what D. Volkogonov writes in his book "Triumph and Tragedy. The Political Portrait of IV Stalin" - even though the author and "Old Opera", but in the art of deformation, not Copenhagen. All the same Khrushchev-Timoshenko excuses, as the ultimate truth. Well, let alone bringing d.volkogonov as the source of the TRUTH, this chaos is complete, rightly so.
    FALSE REPEATED THOUSAND THAN BECOMES AXIOM! - This opus is dedicated to this goal.
  46. Stary oper
    18 October 2012 22: 30
    -1
    Let me repeat here the continuation, for a more normal perception.
    Read more.
    Now about the comrades who are actively pursuing their position in inciting hatred of Judaism. I repeat. There are sects and movements in all religions. And in Judaism, and in Christianity, and in Islam. Once again, religions have always been used as a means of exerting influence on a person and on his actions. What does it mean to declare war, albeit ideological, against some religion? This means provoking powerful opposition from worshipers of this cult, up to unpredictable consequences. Imagine that on the basis of the existence of Islamic extremism, someone will start to urge to fight with all of Islam? What will happen? Or vice versa. There are totalitarian sects with roots from Christianity. So what? Will we fight against him? Similarly, with Judaism. Understand that it is impossible to draw general conclusions on the basis of private. They will object to me: what now, let them do what they want? My answer is no. But it is necessary to fight them not with the propaganda of universal anti-Judaism, but with the help of the law. There are specific calls and incitements to extremist activities, or to incite ethnic hatred - let those who deal with this answer according to the law. But what am I watching here? And here's what. Carefully selected videos and campaign materials that a person who is not particularly knowledgeable causes a desire (albeit internal) to act on the principle: Beat the Jews! Save Russia! And, most importantly, people who incite to this imperceptibly clearly understand what they are doing and what it will lead to. But for this they need totalitarian power. Therefore, the theme of Stalin is constantly being discussed. Since if we get even into the likeness of those times, then their ideas will be able to come true. As you do not understand, in this case, Stalin and the game of nostalgia for a powerful power that was reckoned with in the world is only an instrument in their methods. And, interestingly, now they are enjoying the rights that democracy gives in promoting their ideas. But if they achieve their goals, you can forget about this right. Farther. Once again, I want to ask each of those shouting here: what can the interfaith struggle in Russia lead to? Toward a contraction of the country to the scale of the Moscow principality? So are these people patriots? And who is the even greater enemy of the country: how do the "liberal intelligentsia" or "patriots" of such a flood like to say here? By the way, looking through these campaign materials, you can calmly collect materials for criminal prosecution for inciting ethnic and religious hatred. I’m no longer talking about a poster blasphemous from my point of view - this is where the toilets stand instead of the stoves that were installed to the victims of the Holocaust in Berlin. What is interesting is that everyone has already taken this for granted. And why didn’t anyone answer in response to the well-known photograph of children in a concentration camp where they show numbers on their hands? Are we human or not? Or if they were Jewish children, then this does not concern us? I wonder when this fighter of the ideological front is going to heal the shaky health in Europe, does he show these posters at the embassy? Or are they for internal use only? I just want to say who does not know that in Germany this person would have sat down for such propaganda for a couple of years without a doubt. Therefore, to those who say that the nickname "Old Opera" implies the presence of logic, I want to say. Everything is in order with logic.
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 19 October 2012 00: 09
      0
      For staru oper
      Good evening!
      I already somehow expressed my doubts about the legitimacy of your reasoning about the situation on the territory of the USSR. As a person who once lived in the USSR, but voluntarily left and lived in the West for a long time, your concern about our problems, and even more so the criticism of our attempts to find a way out of the current state, raises doubts about their sincerity. You are not Alexander Zinoviev, who was expelled for criticizing the nomenclature and not VI Lenin, who was forced to leave for emigration. You yourself, voluntarily, refused to participate in solving these problems at home and why, suddenly, such interest and zeal solved our problems while sitting in a cafe in Berlin?
      Of course, you have the right to express your point of view, but is it necessary to do this, and even more so in the form of an article ... I don’t know, I don’t know ..
      I want to draw your attention to the contradictions in your article: ... But we must fight them not with the propaganda of universal anti-Judaism, but with the help of the law .... And if these laws are written under the dictation of this Judaism?
      Personally, I am not against Jews as a nation, but people of this nationality are used by the world elite, among whom there are many Jews and non-Jews, to seize power and establish their own rules. The fight against Jews should not be fought on the streets, but with Jews in high offices defending ideas that are alien to the country, otherwise the situation of the Second World War would be repeated. Hitler destroyed ordinary Jews with money from the Jewish elite. As a result of Hitler — no, 6 million Jews — no, and the Rothschild’s power only strengthened. There is such a point of view that for that they threw 6 million Jews into Hitler’s mouth, (or maybe even less, it’s definitely forbidden) that there would be present to Germany for payment. About 100 billion German money was invested in Israel after the war. Now, in general, the question is about the existence of Israel and the Americans are merging it, where the Jewish lobby is the strongest, and what are the Russians or Germans to blame again? Jews need to defend themselves against their leaders, who regularly exchange them for power in the world, and not from Russians or Germans.
      Your phrase ... I'm not talking about the poster, sacrilegious from my point of view - this is where the toilets stand instead of stoves, which are installed for the victims of the Holocaust in Berlin. What is interesting is that everyone has already taken this for granted. And why didn’t anyone answer in response to the well-known photograph of children in a concentration camp where they show numbers on their hands? Are we people or not? .. I join your indignation, this is unacceptable to me .. But you are mistaken in the reasons for the strictness of German law. This severity is dictated from outside, not inside the country. Gunter Grass recently criticized Israel, only because he was allowed, and before that, criticizing Israel was a taboo for the Germans.
      "... And here's what. Carefully selected videos and propaganda materials, which in a person who is not particularly knowledgeable cause a desire (albeit an inner one) to act according to the principle: Beat the Jews! Save Russia! And, most importantly, people who incite this imperceptibly, clearly they understand what they are doing and what it will lead to. But for this they need totalitarian power. Therefore, the theme of Stalin is constantly being discussed. Because if we get even in the semblance of those times, then their ideas can be realized. As you don’t understand , in this case, Stalin and playing on nostalgia for a powerful power that the world reckoned with is only a tool in their methods. And, interestingly, now they enjoy the rights that democracy gives to propagate their ideas. But if they achieve their goals - and you can forget about this right ....--
      I want to remind you that under Stalin, Jews were repressed in% more than other nations - this is a real example of Stalin’s struggle against Jewry, and not against Jews. And then there was no democracy, but now the democracy you are calling for, and we have what we have ...
      Alexander 1958
      1. Viklis
        Viklis 19 October 2012 01: 32
        -1
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        I already somehow expressed my doubts about the legitimacy of your reasoning about the situation on the territory of the USSR. As a person who once lived in the USSR, but voluntarily left and lived in the West for a long time, your concern about our problems, and even more so the criticism of our attempts to find a way out of the current state, raises doubts about their sincerity. You are not Alexander Zinoviev, who was expelled for criticizing the nomenclature and not VI Lenin, who was forced to leave for emigration. You yourself, voluntarily, refused to participate in solving these problems at home and why, suddenly, such interest and zeal solved our problems while sitting in a cafe in Berlin?

        I liked the word "legitimacy" .... :) And what is legitimacy in the light of discussing any topic, not just Stalin? In my opinion, everyone has the right to speak, as well as everyone to accept or challenge here on the site. And if an ordinary citizen living in Germany or Brazil writes, then it turns out that he is illegitimate? And the legitimate one will be either a dissident who was persecuted at one time and left the USSR, or some kind of revolutionary (and where are they now) so what? Probably, you are aware that during the collapse of the Soviet Union you traveled outside of the once fraternal republics and those for which the conditions "suitcase" - "station" were created, and even if, if they were not directly sent out where, they created conditions - linguistic, for example, and others, so that they "voluntarily" cleaned up ... most often they were Russians. And who went where, who to Russia, and who else was further away ... We did not have this in Ukraine, thank God ... We now they began to be afraid when the language issue arose .. Imagine this issue has long been resolved in Central Asia, in the Baltics, not in favor of the Russian ... Is it so easy to give assessments to anyone here? I think that the Berezovskys (in terms of material condition) are unlikely to be found among the commentators ... :)
        And there is so much attention to the Jewish question, so much, so much of the influence of Judaism around the world that, excuse me, it’s strange how we still didn’t become Jews ... under such dominance of the latter. :) Even if, like you, Alexander, say that all the laws were written under the dictation of Judaism ... And as I understand it, the article dealt only with the laws of the Criminal Code, in particular, for example, as in the Ukrainian Criminal Code - Article 161
        Article 161. Violation of the equal rights of citizens depending on their race, nationality or religion
        1. Deliberate actions aimed at inciting national, racial or religious hatred and hatred, humiliating national honor and dignity or insulting the feelings of citizens in connection with their religious beliefs, as well as direct or indirect restriction of rights or the establishment of direct or indirect privileges of citizens on the grounds of race, color, political, religious and other beliefs, gender, ethnic and social origin, property status, place of residence, linguistic or other grounds, -
        shall be punishable by a fine of up to fifty tax-free minimum incomes of citizens or correctional labor for a term of up to two years, or restriction of liberty for a term of up to five years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years or without it.
        2. The same actions connected with violence, deceit or threats, as well as committed by an official, -
        shall be punished by correctional labor for a term of up to two years or imprisonment for a term of up to five years.
        I think that in part 2 it is possible and tougher punishment. And is this only about one particular nationality? !
        Our laws, I repeat, we have written, there are many more, would still work in full force ....
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 October 2012 09: 12
          +1
          Quote: VikLis
          Article 161.

          There is a similar article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, but its use against persons degrading the national dignity of Russians is still problematic (for obvious reasons).
      2. Stary oper
        19 October 2012 19: 32
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        Alexander 1958
        To begin with, I have already answered your "doubts". I'm not going to discuss the reasons that prompted me to leave here. As the proverb says: "they do not seek from goodness". And the site rules allow each registered member to express their opinion. By the way, in relation to Russia, for that matter, you are also a resident of another state. But you consider yourself entitled to discuss issues here? If you say that these are questions of the history of the USSR, then I was also born, lived, swore and worked in the USSR.
        Farther. We are not discussing the problems of Israel, or the use of the fact that the Nazis exterminated Jews by Israel for purely mercantile purposes.
        Incidentally, I have always been against it. And I have already spoken here about this. We must not forget the crimes of the Nazis. But not only in relation to the Jews, but also to all peoples who suffered from their atrocities. And in the same way I consider it immoral to make gesheft on this mountain. And I also spoke about this here. And Gunther Grass, sorry, no one gave "permission" to criticize Israel. You are wrong here. I know this as an eyewitness to the noise that was raised in Germany after his poem. He was almost hunted down. But that's not what I was talking about. And I do not think that you did not understand this, judging by the way you subtly bypass the main topic of my comment and article. I spoke about the unacceptability of campaigning in the spirit of inciting national and inter-religious enmity. About the dangers and dangers of such actions, especially for Russia. It was about the fact that such materials form in people a specific rejection and hatred of another nation and another religion. It is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff. There are religious extremists, there is a violation of the law on their part - to involve. You say that the laws of Russia were also written by the Zionists? Well, this is not serious anymore. Look at the ethnic composition of the Duma. Are they all Jews there? The laws are not satisfied - let's change. But this should be done by legal methods, and not by provocations. Here is my opponent on the site says, "I have a normal attitude towards Jews, I fight against Judaism." Imagine that someone says: "I have a normal attitude to Russians, I just struggle with Orthodoxy." Can you imagine what will happen to such a person? But why are we then ready to act according to double standards? Stalin's struggle, as you say "with Jewry", was not an isolated one. He fought many peoples in his country. It is a fact. As well as the fact that at that time there were only two leaders who exterminated their fellow citizens on a large scale. These are Stalin and Hitler. Let me remind you that Hitler exterminated not only Jews. He destroyed the communists, social democrats and all those who disagree. The parallel is, of course, very unpleasant, but ...
        And now about the democracy that you are cursing. Actually, this is literally the power of the people. And why democracy is identified with devastation, economic degradation, I don’t understand. Just because Yeltsin and his team called themselves them? So who knows who will be called, and what does democracy have to do with it? Democracy, by the way, is not necessarily even capitalism. In general, it has long been noticed that any militant nationalism is a fellow traveler of difficult times. Therefore, only the growth of people's well-being, coupled with the observance of the rule of law, will knock the soil out from under his feet. Therefore, I believe that these ideas have no future.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 October 2012 20: 28
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          Quote: Stary oper
          Imagine that someone says: "I have a normal attitude towards Russians, I just fight against Orthodoxy."

          Unlike Judaism, Orthodoxy is not a hateful ideology.
          By the way, I’ll supplement my answer to your previous post a little:
          Quote: Stary oper
          ... Well, you and a dozen people like you will "rattle" on this site, discussing your ideas. So what is next? A year, five (if the power does not pinch the tail). But there will be no real results.

          And here you are very excited, there are not a dozen of us, and we are "rattling" all over the country "for your vicrutases" and there are more and more of us. hi
          1. Stary oper
            20 October 2012 11: 06
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            This is for you and your like-minded people from the Old Opera. :)
            Spiders in a jar (epigram)
            Spiders gathered in the bank, screaming hoarsely:
            "I know how the world works! I know, not you!"
            And they are shaking slogans, worn down to holes ...
            What do you want? After all, the bank is the whole world for them.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 20 October 2012 11: 49
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              Quote: Stary oper
              This is for you and your like-minded people from the Old Opera. :)

              What else can you expect from the beaten "not the last person in Runet" ?! Poor epigrams and plaintively angry screeching from the gateway. bully
              Don't choke on your bile, Evgeny! I hope you still have the courage (or foolishness) to write another (non-technical) article. We are waiting for your pearls to "rummage" at your leisure. good hi
              1. Stary oper
                20 October 2012 13: 13
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                From "beaten", you say? Well, amuse yourself. :)
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 20 October 2012 13: 35
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                  Quote: Stary oper
                  From "beaten", you say? Well, amuse yourself. :)

                  The main thing is that you believe in it.
                  What am I supposed to amuse myself with? I DO NOT care about you! It's just that the whole adequate forum is making fun of you.
    2. Fox 070
      Fox 070 19 October 2012 09: 06
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      Quote: Stary oper
      I just want to say who does not know that in Germany this person would have sat down for such propaganda for a couple of years without a doubt.

      For you, I am ready to repeat: before referring to any laws, take the trouble to study at least some of them.
      Once again, for those "who are in the tank" (you - Old Opera), I repeat, at the 102nd meeting of the UN Human Rights Committee, held from 11 to 29 July 2011, it was decided to cancel the decision of the same committee "On the recognition of the Holocaust ... "and canceled the criminal prosecution" For denial of the Holocaust ... "(Paragraph 49, CCPR / C / GC / 34). Germany, among others, signed this decree.
      I already feel sorry for you, Old Opera. You become a whipping boy.
      Be serious and try to defend your point of view more reasonably. hi
      1. Stary oper
        19 October 2012 18: 05
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        I do not know how about "signed" there, I will give you a copy of this paragraph from the code of laws in force in Germany.
        True in the original language.

        Unofficial table of contents
        Section 130 Volksverhetzung

        (1) Wer in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören,
        1.
        gegen eine nationale, rassische, religiöse oder durch ihre ethnische Herkunft bestimmte Gruppe, gegen Teile der Bevölkerung oder gegen einen Einzelnen wegen seiner Zugehörigkeit zu einer öhölöerlöder zerlöder zerlöder zerlöder
        2.
        die Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreift, dass er eine vorbezeichnete Gruppe, Teile der Bevölkerung oder einen Einzelnen wegen seiner Zugehörigkeit zu einer vorbezeichneten Gruppe oder zu einem Teil der Bechölöchölöchölöchölöchölöchölöchölöchert verchölöchölöchert
        wird mit Freiheitsstrafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren bestraft.
        (2) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer
        1.
        Schriften (§ 11 Absatz 3), die zum Hass gegen eine vorbezeichnete Gruppe, Teile der Bevölkerung oder gegen einen Einzelnen wegen seiner Zugehörigkeit zu einer vorbezeichneten Gruppe oder zu einem Teil der Bevörnewerch angreifen, dass sie beschimpft, böswillig verächtlich gemacht oder verleumdet werden,
        a)
        verbreitet
        b)
        öffentlich ausstellt, anschlägt, vorführt or sonst zugänglich macht,
        c)
        einer Person unter achtzehn Jahren anbietet, überlässt oder zugänglich macht oder
        d)
        herstellt, bezieht, liefert, vorrätig hält, anbietet, ankündigt, anpreist, einzuführen oder auszuführen unternimmt, um sie oder aus ihnen gewonnene stückenuen eenuen bisenuenuen bisenuenen bisenuenuen bisenuenen bisnenen
        2.
        eine Darbietung des in Nummer 1 bezeichneten Inhalts durch Rundfunk, Medienoder Teledienste verbreitet.
        (3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in § 6 Abs. 1 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuches bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.
        (4) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung den öffentlichen Frieden in einer die Würde der Opfer verletzenden Weise dadurch stört, dass er dieterthertrichtrichtlertlücktlert
        (5) Absatz 2 gilt auch für Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3) des in den Absätzen 3 und 4 bezeichneten Inhalts.
        (6) In den Fällen des Absatzes 2, also in Verbindung mit Absatz 5, und in den Fällen der Absätze 3 und 4 gilt § 86 Abs. 3 entsprechend.

        If you want to check - come and try to hang out your disgusting poster. And then see if the law works or not. And about who I am turning into, I will say one thing - do not be sad for me. I myself do not grieve for such reasons. And even the fact that there are more people like you on this site does not mean that you are the majority in life. And, most importantly, in which I am firmly convinced that your ideas have no future. Well, you and a dozen people like you will "rattle" on this site, discussing your ideas. So what is next? A year, five (if the power does not pinch the tail). But there will be no real results.
        1. Rezun
          Rezun 19 October 2012 18: 42
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          You change your nickname, don't disgrace the operas! did you catch the pen from the pocket? Or were you injected with drugs (.....)? YOU ARE RED-HAIRED FALSE CAT!
          1. Stary oper
            19 October 2012 19: 48
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            Do not hysteria ... And it’s not your business who I am or what I do.
        2. Fox 070
          Fox 070 19 October 2012 20: 19
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          Quote: Stary oper
          your ideas have no future.

          Eugene, you already live in the future, or rather exist in it, as part of a terrible past. By analogy with a computer, I can say that the cache will be updated, you will go into oblivion and you with your (and not only) ideas.
          Why didn't you post a translation of this document or a link to it? Apparently, "not the last person in the Russian Internet" lacks knowledge and skills in handling a computer. Tell me, can you use a microwave oven?
          By the way, here is what the translator gave me in your text in German:
          Unofficial Content
          Section 130 Volksverhetzung
          (1) who is in such a way that a proper, social world to interfere,
          1. against a national, rassische, religious or through its ethnische arrival a certain group, against parts of the population or against individuals because of its belonging to a vorbezeichneten group or part of the population does not hate incites, to power- or Willkurma? Nahmen invites or
          2.human dignity, another discredited and contemptuously malicious therefore it is assumed that he vorbezeichnete group, part of the population or individuals because of his membership in the vorbezeichneten group or part of the population swears, does or,
          shall be punished with deprivation of will by three months to five years.
          (2) With deprivation of will up to three years or with a monetary fine, shall be punished who
          Fonts (§ 11 precipitation 3), that he hates against the vorbezeichnete group, part of the population or against individuals because of his belonging to the vorbezeichneten group or part of the population, incites power, or Willkurma? Nahmen against her or her human dignity as a result of this, they invite to take that they are maliciously scornfully made discredited by swearing, or,
          a) distributes
          b) publicly exposes, rings, access demonstrates or otherwise does,
          c) a person at eighteen offers, access grants or makes or
          d) if he creates, covers, supplies, wears, offers, informs, advertises, introduces or, in order to execute, undertakes to use or to use the pieces won in the sense of the letters a to c, or to make it possible for one other use, or
          2. The proposal indicated in number 1 of the content through broadcasting, the media or Teledienste distributes.
          (3) With deprivation of liberty up to five years or with a monetary fine, it is punished who is celebrated under the rule of national socialism for the effect of the kind specified in § 6 paragraph 1 of the Criminal People’s Code in such a way that the proper, public peace interferes, or in the fees publicly approves, underestimated objects or.
          4) also deprivation of will for up to three years or with a monetary fine is punished, who consequently interferes with or charges the public world in a socially offensive to the dignity of victims way that he nationalsozialistische power- and the Willkurherrschaft approves, glorifies or justifies.
          (5) Draft 2 is also valid for fonts (§ 11 paragraph 3) of the contents indicated in Draft 3 and 4.
          (6) In cases of sludge 2, also in connection with sludge 5, and in cases of precipitation 3 and 4, § § 86 paragraph 3 is duly applicable.

          And note that this is a common criminal article for inciting ethnic and religious hatred, in which NOT A WORD IS SAID ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.
        3. Stary oper
          20 October 2012 11: 04
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          Want a link? Here she is. This is the page of the website of the German Ministry of Justice, where this paragraph is. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__130.html
          It says about the inadmissibility of inciting all kinds of interethnic, religious, racial hostility, as well as attempts to justify Nazism. And it was under this article that those who denied the existence of the Holocaust were convicted. By the way, your campaign materials are covered by this article. So welcome ...
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 20 October 2012 11: 58
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            Quote: Stary oper
            And it was under this article that those who denied the existence of the Holocaust were convicted. By the way, your campaign materials are covered by this article. So welcome ...

            In connection with the adoption of the above UN decision by me, all states that have signed this document (including Germany) are obliged to bring their laws into line with the above document.
            The decision of the Committee at least means that the laws already in force are illegal and that they were unlawful even at their adoption, so that all convictions made over the past time should be canceled, and convicts should be compensated.

            So, Eugene, wipe yourself and prepare money for payments. And really WELCOME TO THE WAKE-UP WORLD !!! yes
            1. Stary oper
              20 October 2012 13: 21
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              What you are linking to is dated 2011. Can you remind me which year is already ending? Isn't the expectation of compensation and the release of this kind of "prisoners of conscience" a bit delayed? And your "waking world" is an attempt to wishful thinking.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 20 October 2012 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: Stary oper
                And your "waking world" is an attempt to wishful thinking.

                It's okay, Moscow was not built right away either, the main thing is that the legal basis for the "release of" prisoners of conscience "has already begun to appear.
                And now I'm sorry, it became boring with you. There will be something interesting - you are welcome to argue. I wish you happiness and health. hi
  47. BSSR
    BSSR 18 October 2012 23: 25
    +1
    The article is certainly correct, only it is not worth the allocation of its time.
    There are also Hitler fans in Germany, so what if that. Well, suppose one of these comes out to a public place and starts wailing all over the district about "the great Stalin", and that, well, people will look, twist their fingers at their temples and go about their business further. Everyone knows that every society has its own head-stoned ones.
  48. Dema239
    Dema239 19 October 2012 04: 14
    +2
    The pro-Western liberalists and their masters, because of the cordon, will always try to denigrate Stalin. Why? Yes, because fear. What? - Do you really believe that they hate Stalin because of his domestic policy towards Soviet people, feel sorry for the repressed ??? Yes, they deeply and decisively spit on the life of Soviet people in the era of Stalin's rule! There were or were not repressions, famines, etc., etc. - all this they need only as tools of the company to denigrate and discredit Stalin. They have trembling nerves at the mere mention of unprecedented military and industrial spurtwhich committed the destroyed and exhausted by the first world and civil wars of the RSFSR (USSR) and which became possible only thanks to the Stalinist policy of industrialization. It was Stalin's industrialization plus the courage of Soviet people that allowed the country to win the Second World War and dictate its will to the whole of Geyropa and to the whole world. If the USSR under Stalin was able to do this once, then why, under another equally strong and tough leader, now not the USSR, but Russia, will not be able to make a breakthrough again ?? So they blame and stigmatize Stalin by all available means, so that none of the leaders of Russia and the CIS countries would even have the thought of being somewhat like him .. IMHO
    1. Stary oper
      19 October 2012 18: 23
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      Dema239.
      Your polemical fervor is understandable, but you are not at the rally. It will pass there, maybe. After the war, the USSR did not dictate its will to anyone. All agreements on the division of spheres of influence between the allies were reached at the Yalta Conference. And the subsequent arms race completely undermined the ineffective economy of the USSR. Which ended with its collapse. Which I am personally saddened too. But fact is fact. Regarding "Geyror" ... If this "Geyropa" suddenly opened the borders, then in Ukraine in a week half of the population would not be there. This is not a mockery, this is a statement of reality. Let everything be fine with you, let Ukraine and all other republics develop and grow economically, but a disdainful attitude towards the peoples of Europe (as well as towards any people, by the way) does not adorn a normal person.
  49. abasov.rm
    abasov.rm 19 October 2012 20: 57
    +1
    people on this site are not stupid a lot has been written both for and against Stalin, and the rating of the article shows what choice they made and how they evaluate the time during his reign
  50. BSSR
    BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 08
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    At the end of the topic, I’ll tell the deceived people. I don’t blame you, you want that arbitrariness, what Russia is sick with now, has ended and that requires a man in power with a cruel character and will.

    But let's be realistic, now this is not possible. Although the overwhelming majority of visitors to this site hate Belarusians (with the exception of Lukashenko), they don’t know how smart dofig and troschi are in Russia and they all understand. Okay, I will not find fault
    Let’s talk about Putin.
    TV channels are already under control; I don’t know about the paper press yet.
    Now they began to build a semblance of a great Chinese firewall, everything goes as never before towards a controlled scoop.
    It seems that somewhere after 5 years you and I will be put on cancer and will dictate what is possible and what is not, as in Soviet times