Expectations and reality. M982 Excalibur guided projectiles for Ukraine

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M982 projectile in flight configuration


Over the past few months, there have been numerous news on the possible delivery of M982 Excalibur guided artillery shells to Ukraine. It was reported that such products could be supplied by several countries. However, such information has not been confirmed, and the supply of shells has not yet begun. In recent days, this topic has received renewed attention, but it is still not clear whether Ukraine will receive the desired projectiles.



Expectations and Reality


In April of this year, the United States and its allies announced their intention to transfer M155 towed 777-mm howitzers and ammunition to the Kyiv regime. The nomenclature of shots for delivery was not specified, and this fact contributed to the emergence of various versions and assumptions. Soon information of this kind appeared in the press.

Then, in April, Canadian media reported that Ottawa plans to transfer a large batch of 155-mm shells to Kyiv, including corrected Excaliburs. The number of such products, their share in the total volume of supply and the timing of the transfer were not specified. This was the first mention of the M982 projectile in the context of military technical assistance to Ukraine.

For the next few weeks, there was no news of Excalibur rounds. The press and specialized resources discussed the prospects for the supply of such ammunition, the risks associated with them, etc. In most cases, the M982 was mentioned in conjunction with the M777 howitzers.

In June-July, an assumption arose that Ukraine nevertheless received guided missiles. The reason for it was several strikes by Ukrainian artillery on civilian and industrial facilities, which were distinguished by increased accuracy and low consumption of ammunition. However, this suspicion has not received any confirmation.

Expectations and reality. M982 Excalibur guided projectiles for Ukraine

USMC gunners prepare Excalibur to fire

On July 8, the US Department of Defense announced another military aid package for the Kyiv regime. Together with other products, it included 1 thousand 155-mm precision-guided artillery ammunition. The type of these products was not reported. It could be assumed that we are talking about M982 Excalibur shells or the M1156 PGK kit for re-equipping simple “blanks”.

On July 29, the German edition of Spiegel revealed the curious features of the combat use of foreign artillery by Ukrainian formations. It was reported that due to improper operation and non-compliance with established rules, breakdowns of self-propelled guns PzH 2000 took place. In particular, one of the prerequisites for the breakdown was an attempt to fire from a 155-mm gun with some kind of high-precision ammunition at an unacceptably long distance. What projectile was used in this case was not specified. Perhaps it was about the M982.

On August 19, the Pentagon announced another aid package. This time, the supply of artillery or shells of 155 mm caliber is not provided. However, Ukrainian propaganda is already claiming that M982 Excalibur guided missiles will be secretly added to the package in the very near future.

Interim results


A very interesting situation has developed around the Excalibur shells. Over the past few months, it has been repeatedly reported about the imminent delivery of such shells to the Kyiv regime. However, in the official documents of the United States and its allies, these products have not yet been mentioned.

It is simply useless to consider information from the Ukrainian side. Often we are talking about dreams and desires that are not supported by real events. In addition, such reports are often contradictory because they are not based on facts. Thus, the latest "news" about the imminent delivery of M982 shells directly contradicts similar reports from previous months.


M777 howitzer fires M982 projectile

Thus, a simple and understandable conclusion can be drawn. The United States or other countries have not supplied Ukraine with M982 Excalibur guided missiles and do not appear to be planning to do so. All reports of such assistance came from unofficial sources, the reliability of which is doubtful. Moreover, information of this kind has already been refuted by real events - or their absence.

An aid package announced in early July included some artillery ammunition. Apparently, these were unguided projectiles equipped with the M1156 device. "Excaliburs" again remained outside the scope of assistance.

Technical potential


The interest in the M982 Excalibur guided projectile is understandable. This is a modern ammunition with high combat characteristics, compatible with various artillery systems. In addition, even at the development stage, the projectile received good publicity.

The M982 product is an active-missile with a control system. It is made in a cylindrical body with an ogival head of high elongation. Foldable rudders are provided in the head part, stabilizers are in the bottom part. Ammunition diameter is standard 155 mm, length - approx. 1 m. Weight without cartridge case with charge - 48 kg.

"Excalibur" is intended for firing at stationary targets with known coordinates. The projectile is equipped with guidance tools, including a satellite and inertial navigation system. It is alleged that the ammunition is able to work even with the suppression of GPS signals. The QUO in the first modifications reached 10-20 m, but later it was reduced to 4 m.


The projectile demonstrates the accuracy of hitting

The projectile is high-explosive fragmentation. There is an explosive charge weighing 22 kg and a body crushed into fragments. The fuze fires at a given height, on contact or with a delay. It is assumed that the high accuracy of the hit allows you to maximize the potential of warheads.

Excalibur is active-reactive. At the bottom of the hull is a gas generator that improves aerodynamics in flight and increases the firing range. For the first version of the projectile, XM982, the maximum range reached 23 km. Serial M982(A1) projectiles when used with existing guns show a range of up to 40 km. With the help of the experimental gun M777ER ERCA, the ammunition was sent to 70 km.

Reasons for failure


Despite its age, the M982 Excalibur projectile is a successful example of its class and is capable of effectively solving fire missions over a wide range of ranges. However, the United States and allies are in no hurry to transfer such ammunition to Ukraine, and several explanations can be found for this at once.

First of all, it is worth considering the monetary factor. One product M982, according to the latest contracts of the Pentagon, costs more than 110 thousand dollars - many times more expensive than simple "blanks". The cost of the M1156 kit is lower - approx. 20 thousand dollars In the current situation, the United States preferred to allocate cheaper products to Ukraine. By this they indicated support and saved quite a lot.

It is quite possible that "Excaliburs" is not transmitted for reasons of secrecy. The Pentagon rightly fears that American products, one way or another, can get to the Russian army. Subsequent study of projectiles or other weapons poses a potential threat to the US military.


Undermining the warhead with a delay

Another version touches upon the issues of gaining practical experience. For a long time, the US Army used M982 projectiles on ranges, and since 2007 such items have been regularly used to strike real targets. To date, American gunners have accumulated extensive experience in the use of corrected projectiles in a variety of conditions.

The current conflict in Ukraine is being considered by foreign states, incl. as an opportunity to test their latest weapons, as well as to supplement existing experience. However, the American M982 projectile no longer needs additional checks, and therefore its transfer to the Kyiv regime does not make sense.

It cannot be ruled out that all three factors are involved. American leadership can simultaneously save on aid, keep its developments secret, and take into account practical application issues. In any case, the most well-known and publicized corrective projectile developed by the United States has not yet reached Ukraine - and the situation is unlikely to change in the future.

Practical cynicism


Thus, the United States sends various military-technical assistance to Ukraine, but these processes have some specific features and peculiarities. All of them are clearly visible in the ongoing situation around the M982 Excalibur adjustable projectiles and some other types of weapons.

The Kyiv regime needs such products and wants to get them as soon as possible. However, Washington and the Pentagon are not including the required weapons in the new aid packages. Despite the plight of an ally, the United States is primarily concerned with its own interests. This approach is cynical, but still useful to achieve its own goals.
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  1. +1
    25 August 2022 07: 12
    . Despite the plight of an ally, the United States is primarily concerned with its own interests. This approach is cynic

    The author is outraged at how badly the United States treats its Bandera ally. Although he doesn’t know for sure whether there were deliveries of Excaliburs to Ukraine or not.
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 07: 31
      The author is offended that the Americans are throwing our Bratsk norot.))
      1. AUL
        +8
        25 August 2022 08: 25
        Quote: AVESSALOM
        Despite the plight of an ally, the United States is primarily concerned with its own interests. This approach is cynic

        What's so cynical about that? The right approach! This policy has always been carried out according to the principle - give your wife to your uncle, and go to a woman with reduced social responsibility (ZhPSO)!
    2. +4
      25 August 2022 08: 17
      There were reports the other day that they were transmitting ... but in very, very modest quantities, almost only 150 pieces.
      1. 0
        26 August 2022 22: 27
        almost only 150 pieces.


        This is not all, it is as many as 150 pieces, for 15 million dollars, and this delivery is clearly not the last.

        Recently, a video was posted on the network, as the position of the Zoo air defense system was covered by the very first blow of an artillery shell.
        1. 0
          12 October 2022 10: 57
          how the position of the ZOO air defense system is covered by the very first blow of an artillery shell.

          SAM? Why write nonsense if not at all in the subject?
          Do you want to glorify American weapons? Or just indulge?
          1. 0
            12 October 2022 12: 08
            Not an air defense system, but of course a radar. Get the gist, bitch.
    3. +1
      25 August 2022 21: 14
      The author is outraged at how badly the United States treats its Bandera ally.
      You are wrong. The United States has one ally - Great Britain, the rest, at best, are vassals like France, and the rest are cannon fodder.
      1. +2
        26 August 2022 11: 46
        Quote: AKuzenka
        The United States has one ally - Great Britain, the rest, at best, are vassals like France, and the rest are cannon fodder.

        Great Britain is the same "ally" as everyone else. If it is beneficial for the United States, then the separatist colonists will abandon the former Metropolis - as they did in 1956.
        1. 0
          26 August 2022 14: 17
          Great Britain is the same "ally"
          I agree. So Great Britain did not remain in debt, in 1962, during the operation "Anadyr". Poke a hole in the American blockade. They stand by each other and also do not miss the opportunity to spoil each other.
        2. +2
          29 August 2022 05: 30
          There is an explosive charge weighing 22 kg and a body crushed into fragments.
          Such a projectile cannot carry so much explosives. The Angles are talking about Warhead weight, and this is a warhead (warhead) assembly, and not just explosives.
  2. +3
    25 August 2022 07: 55
    To be honest, I don’t understand at all why the Americans and other assistants of Kyiv are playing giveaway ... a hundred 777 is serious, complete with adjustable ammunition is even more serious, but Ukraine still has a strong backlog in the number of barrels, and in the meantime, the Americans have more than a thousand in storage m-198… for us it’s certainly good, but there is a question…
    1. +3
      25 August 2022 08: 01
      hundred 777 is serious

      this is serious for a theater of operations of the Karabakh level. For a front line in Ukraine of +800 km, this is no longer enough. Even without taking into account combat losses and losses from breakdowns, wear and tear, etc. And since the balance of power is not initially in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in terms of the number of barrels, any of their attempts to saturate the troops with artillery end in its destruction from counter-battery combat.
      1. +5
        25 August 2022 08: 18
        Quote: Ka-52
        hundred 777 is serious

        this is serious for a theater of operations of the Karabakh level. For a front line in Ukraine of +800 km, this is no longer enough. Even without taking into account combat losses and losses from breakdowns, wear and tear, etc. And since the balance of power is not initially in favor of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in terms of the number of barrels, any of their attempts to saturate the troops with artillery end in its destruction from counter-battery combat.

        So far, 777 is the most massive weapon delivered as part of the assistance, and according to the reviews of our military, the gunners from that side are very skillful, therefore, to say that the little things are complacency ... regarding counter-battery work - despite the almost multiple superiority in artillery after 6 months of the SVO, Ukrainian art is more than confident works. Yes, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will increase due to an increase in the number of defeats (there are more vehicles and it is easier to catch them), but the damage done will also increase ... the main problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine today is the lack of heavy weapons, there is more than enough manpower
        1. -1
          25 August 2022 08: 26
          on the other hand, they are very skillful, therefore, to say that the little things are complacency ...

          don't write nonsense. I didn't say it was minor. I wrote that this amount for such a front line will not provide the proper density of barrels per 1 km. Can you see the difference or does it need to be chewed?
          despite the almost multiple superiority in artillery, after 6 months of the SVO, Ukrainian artillery is more than confidently working.

          did Aristovich or Gerashchenko tell you? For some reason, in the videos, the ukrozoldates themselves complain that for 1 (at best) their shot arrives at 10 (minimum) from the allies? What does the subjective "works confidently" mean? In artillery, the density of fire always decides. And here is simple mathematics - the number of barrels x rate of fire (+ the availability of ammunition). If the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have enough artillery to carry out the combat mission of covering their own troops, then what the hell is confident work?
          1. 0
            25 August 2022 08: 37
            Quote: Ka-52
            I wrote that this amount for such a front line will not provide the proper density of barrels per 1 km.

            No one is going to provide some sort of density per kilometer of the entire front. I'll tell you a secret, during the Second World War there was no special density along the entire width of the front either. The concentration of artillery works in relatively narrow areas.
            Quote: Ka-52
            For some reason, in the videos, the ukrozoldates themselves complain that for 1 (at best) their shot arrives at 10 (minimum) from the allies?

            Because they received modern artillery, but they still don’t know how to use it.
            Quote: Ka-52
            If the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have enough artillery to carry out the combat mission of covering their own troops

            There is a quantity. Gasket problem. As always.
            1. +2
              25 August 2022 08: 48
              No one is going to provide some sort of density per kilometer of the entire front. I'll tell you a secret, during the Second World War there was no special density along the entire width of the front either.

              I'll tell you a secret that even during the Second World War the concept of battalion, regimental and divisional artillery did not disappear. The concentration of artillery was carried out only in the preparation of offensive operations. Accordingly, the artillery regiments were transferred to the subordination of the formations going on the offensive. So no need to fantasize here
              1. +1
                25 August 2022 08: 53
                Quote: Sergey_tactics
                The concentration of artillery was carried out only in the preparation of offensive operations.

                I have never heard any complaints about the shortage of art in the Kharkov region. Now there are conditionally two hot spots (Donbass and the right bank) - there are questions about them.
                1. +1
                  25 August 2022 09: 03
                  What does the Kharkov region and the deficit have to do with it? I wrote a comment on the question of the density of artillery in WWII
              2. 0
                3 November 2022 18: 13
                Battalion artillery? Are those mortars? As far as I remember, there are no battalion, regimental, or divisional artillery in the west.
          2. -2
            25 August 2022 09: 50
            despite the almost multiple superiority in artillery, after 6 months of the SVO, Ukrainian artillery is more than confidently working.

            did Aristovich or Gerashchenko tell you?

            From an interview with the director of the Moscow Region analytical center on KP radio: "95% of targets are hit by artillery. At the same time, Russian artillery shoots more, Ukrainian artillery shoots more accurately."
            The facts show that the Ukrainian artillery is alive and brings a lot of problems to us. They work according to NATO standards, we work according to Soviet ones. We count the number of barrels per kilometer of the front, they are the number of targets hit. In this paradigm, the delivery of hundreds of 777 guns and guided missiles may well turn the tide on the front.
            1. 0
              25 August 2022 12: 16
              We count the number of barrels per kilometer of the front, they are the number of targets hit.

              what will you hit targets without the presence of artillery? Beautiful baltalogy about NATO standards? That is, hundreds of artillery guns of the allied forces with guided ammunition are nothing, but the great American howitzers with no less great Excaliburs - yes, they will defeat and win everything at once .... these are the cries of American patriots I read about both Javelins and Bayraktars. Then people like you were smeared on the Highmars, all sorts of kamikaze drones, and so on. Ahead, apparently joyful cries on the topic of the NAMAS air defense system.
              1. 0
                26 August 2022 08: 26
                what will you hit targets without the presence of artillery? Beautiful baltalogy about NATO standards?

                Ukraine has artillery. Yes, less than ours. But it strikes targets more accurately. Read what military correspondents and warring people write about this, for example, Khodakovsky.
                According to our standard, artillery performs a fire mission and voila, it begins to work in the interests of another boss. And whether the target is hit or not, this is not her problem.
                Then people like you were smeared on the Highmars, all sorts of kamikaze drones, and so on.

                Unlike you, I have first-hand information. But even you could read the telegram channels and see how at least the same Antonovsky bridge was hit, and compare it with the defeat of the bridge by our forces and means in Zatoka. After that draw a conclusion.
                Leave joyful cries for television.
                1. 0
                  26 August 2022 08: 41
                  Quote: glory1974
                  how at least the same Antonovsky bridge was struck, and compared with the defeat of the bridge by our forces and means in Zatoka. After that draw a conclusion.

                  I do: judging by the fact that the RF Armed Forces are still advancing in the Nikolaev direction, all hopes for "defeating bridges with chimeras" have remained unrealizable hopes.

                  Look at the result, not at the embroidery pattern - a lot will be revealed to you.
                  1. 0
                    26 August 2022 09: 02
                    all hopes for the "defeat of bridges by chimers" remained unfulfilled hopes.

                    Look at the result, not at the embroidery pattern - a lot will be revealed to you.

                    There are two mutually exclusive statements in your comment. The Antonov Bridge is struck and does not function, we look at the result and .....?
                    1. -1
                      26 August 2022 09: 17
                      Quote: glory1974
                      Antonovsky bridge is struck and does not function, we look at the result and .....?

                      And this did not prevent the offensive of the RF Armed Forces. Although it was designated as a great victory, "you will have nothing to supply the troops from the other side of the Dnieper."

                      Victory, as we see, did not happen again.

                      Quote: glory1974
                      There are two mutually exclusive statements in your comment

                      Not at all. Again - look at the result, not at the pictures from the internet.
                      1. 0
                        26 August 2022 10: 04
                        we are discussing the accuracy of artillery fire. There is a result of the Himars shooting.
                        And you are talking about strategy: "The offensive did not interfere, they built a pontoon crossing."
                2. 0
                  26 August 2022 08: 50
                  But the targets are more accurate.

                  Now, if I write that you are lying and ask for confirmation, then you will be offended. And instead of confirmation, you will begin to write some nonsense to me like "here I know for sure potamushta first-hand knowledge." Let's do this: until you give specific figures of statistical analysis, we will consider you a balabol. If you bring me, I will apologize and shake your hand.
                  Unlike you, I have first hand information.

                  laughing ahaha, the most flies-filled argument of talkers. Leave this information for the crazy like yourself. Any comparison is made on the basis of tests: so many were shot, so many targets were hit. And they are not comparing a musket of the 777th century and a blaster, but systems of the same class. For example MXNUMX and some kind of Msta-B. In the meantime, you don’t have this - don’t pester smart people with your hamster nonsense
                  1. 0
                    26 August 2022 09: 01
                    Let's do this: until you give specific figures of statistical analysis, we will consider you a balabol.

                    you understand that such information is secret. And it will not be in the public domain even after the hostilities.
                    So far, I can refer to the military correspondents, participants in the SVO and the above interview. What can you refer to?
                    1. 0
                      26 August 2022 09: 18
                      you understand that such information is secret. And it will not be in the public domain even after the hostilities.

                      that is, you have it, but you can not publish it? Wow, I've never seen such excuses before :))
                      So far, I can refer to the military correspondents, participants in the SVO and the above interview.

                      I myself watch TG, there is nothing interesting about this. And the subjectivism of individual people is hardly capable of either confirming or refuting anything.
                      What can you refer to?

                      why should I refer? I'm not the one who affirms. It sounds as if Einstein were asked to prove his theory of relativity, and he would answer: "but you prove that it is not true. And bring proofs, otherwise I won't believe it" laughing You've made an unfounded assertion, here's your argument. Or better yet, don't write anything at all. Don't involve me in your pointless sparring
                      1. 0
                        26 August 2022 10: 06
                        that is, you have it, but you can not publish it? Wow, I've never seen such excuses before.

                        I cited sources from the very beginning. It's weird not to see it.
                        However, if you don’t want to delve into it, see Skabeeva.
                      2. -1
                        26 August 2022 10: 18
                        I cited sources from the very beginning. It's weird not to see it.

                        they are not sources. This is some kind of bullshit. If these are sources for you, then leave them to yourself and don’t tell me about them anymore.
                        see Skabeeva.

                        dada, the best way to cover up your obser is to crow about Solovyov and Skabeeva laughing
                        you know, as long as I remember your attempts to argue with me, two basic platforms were always traced in them:
                        1. conclusions and statements based on distorted, fake or simply stupid arguments
                        2. love for our enemy at the moment, for Ukraine.
                        Are you from ethnic pans or just a typical liberal hamster who doesn't care what to defend, if only against Russia?
            2. 0
              26 August 2022 05: 25
              From an interview with the director of the Moscow Region analytical center on KP radio: "95% of targets are hit by artillery. At the same time, Russian artillery shoots more, Ukrainian artillery shoots more accurately."

              When you write this, you yourself think - where does some Moscow analyst get data on the accuracy of hits by our and Ukrainian artillery? Well, where? This requires a lot of statistics: the number of fired ammunition per target, range, static or moving target, number of targets hit, and so on. At what the data is confirmed, not declared. How would this balabol collect them during the hostilities? And you stupidly cite them as an argument fool
              1. -3
                26 August 2022 08: 31
                When you write this, you yourself think - where does some Moscow analyst get data on the accuracy of hits by our and Ukrainian artillery? Well, where?

                I ask you the same question. Well, where did you get the information that the Moscow analyst does not have this information? Did you at least read the interview first so you don't ask stupid questions? Or according to the principle: "I did not read, but I condemn"?
          3. +2
            25 August 2022 23: 34
            In artillery, the density of fire always decides.

            Not only. And also the accuracy of shooting, the time to hit the target, the consumption of shells on the target.
            If they shoot at areas, then yes, the density of fire is crucial.
      2. 0
        25 August 2022 20: 17
        For the front line in Ukraine in + 800 km
        More precisely, the front line is 1600 km .......
    2. +3
      25 August 2022 08: 25
      Quote: parma
      Americans in storage more than a thousand m-198

      They do not have a thousand M198s in storage, they are mostly distributed. A couple hundred. But yes, the supply of art regarding the capabilities of the allies is ridiculous.
      Quote: parma
      Ukraine is still a strong lag in the number of trunks

      Over time, it turned out that the number of trunks is only part of the problem. The vaunted Ukrainian artillery has been showing poor performance in recent months.
      Quote: parma
      To be honest, I don’t understand at all why the Americans and other assistants of Kyiv play giveaway

      Much has been written about this in detail. Both sides of the NWO do not have clear political campaign goals that can be achieved militarily. Therefore, work in the fields is haphazard.

      On the other hand, Americans - unlike some - directly say that they are guided by the campaign of 2023 and even 2024. So there is a possibility that over time the political line will still be found.
  3. 0
    25 August 2022 07: 56
    Excalibur is active-reactive. At the bottom of the hull is a gas generator that improves aerodynamics in flight and increases the firing range.

    as far as I understand, only extended-range shells have a bottom gas generator, that is, the Block 1a-2 modification and beyond.
  4. +2
    25 August 2022 09: 59
    A very serious projectile and expensive. It is better to destroy before using them. Accuracy up to 1 meter. The Yankees do not spare money for the Nazis.
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 23: 38
      Experience has shown that weapons are reported very often after they have actually been delivered to the site.
  5. 0
    25 August 2022 10: 12
    Obviously, the priority tasks in a collision with an enemy using reconnaissance and strike systems are the rapid suppression of a satellite constellation (primarily GPS), as well as the destruction of AWACS and reconnaissance aircraft. Here the USA and NATO have an absolute qualitative superiority. Only nuclear weapons can level the playing field.
  6. -5
    25 August 2022 10: 35
    Not supplied, you say? What is it? From the first fucking shot!
    1. +1
      25 August 2022 14: 12
      It shoots RZSO. You should watch it carefully before posting the video.
      1. 0
        26 August 2022 08: 35
        several explosions, it looks like an artillery raid. For MLRS, low dispersion.
        1. 0
          26 August 2022 09: 42
          If this is indeed a counter-battery firing radar, then this is most likely firing of RZSO with guided munitions. Artillery with a conventional projectile would also give a spread of up to 50, or even 100m. And then everything fit into a circle of 30m.
    2. 0
      26 August 2022 08: 36
      artillery attack, and the first shot is covering. Not the fact that managed. If there were no subsequent shots, it could be said with confidence that it was controlled.
  7. +1
    25 August 2022 12: 44
    Quote: Civil
    There were reports the other day that they were transmitting ... but in very, very modest quantities, almost only 150 pieces

    Even those 150 pieces is bad news.
    They, or Western operators, strike with Haymars at the CPR of Donetsk, as if mocking the poor DAM, who promised exactly this to Kyiv.
    150 hits on sensitive targets in the DPR are a lot. We have not yet hit more than one CPR in Kyiv. As if the pig farmer did not cross all possible "red lines".
    We hope the stubborn Nazis and the West will appreciate our nobility?
  8. 0
    25 August 2022 13: 42
    The number of more and more deadly systems that we have no analogues is increasing, urgent tactical decisions are needed to neutralize Ukrainian artillery. In the context of the current situation, it is urgent to reactivate all the existing Tochka-U OTRK and directly link the missilemen with UAV intelligence units. With a range of 110 km, they need to be located at a distance of 40-50 km from the front line in the zone of inaccessibility for Ukrainian counter-battery fire. Specialize units of Points exclusively for hunting Ukrainian artillery crews, use cluster munitions. This requires not only the decision of the General Staff on the urgent mass reactivation of Points and their emergency delivery to the troops, but also new administrative measures to change the procedure for making decisions on opening fire and a radical reduction in reaction time from the detection of enemy self-propelled guns and howitzers by our UAVs to the receipt of information by missilemen and implementations launches by them. Iskanders are very expensive, few of them, and they need to be used to destroy critical infrastructure deep behind enemy lines. In this light, it is the Soviet OTRKs that are essential to defeat the main immediate threat to our troops - NATO self-propelled guns, howitzers and haimars. A bunch of Iranian Shahed 129 + Tochka-U, with the right interaction, will become a truly deadly force to fight Ukrainian artillery, which in turn is becoming more and more accurate.
  9. 0
    25 August 2022 16: 04
    why do they need an expensive M982
    when there is an M1156 PGK fuse costing less than 10 thousand dollars per unit ...
    screw on the projectile and "shoot" ... well, the accuracy will not be 4 meters, but 10 ...
    all the difference...
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 21: 31
      50 m in the first version and 30 m in the new one. Plus, there is an interesting feature - if the barrel is incorrectly pointed and the projectile does not hit where it was indicated, it does not explode.
      1. +1
        25 August 2022 23: 48
        All the same, this is an order of magnitude more accurate than the maximum CVO of unguided projectiles of 250-300 m at long range.
        in practice, they are even more accurate.
        This was demonstrated on German DM111 rounds in September 2014 fired from the PzH2000 self-propelled howitzer. From a distance of 27 km (17 mi), 90 percent of the German PGK-equipped rounds fell within 5 meters of the target.
        ... After being commissioned in Afghanistan under urgent materiel release conditions, PGK passed its first product acceptance test to verify performance, reliability and safety. During testing, PGK rounds performed consistently on towed and self-propelled gun platforms, meeting accuracy requirements of 30 m (98 ft) or less CEP, with most rounds placed within 10 m (33 ft).


        Plus, there is an interesting feature - if the barrel is incorrectly pointed and the projectile does not hit where it was indicated, it does not explode.

        Made specifically for use as close as possible to your troops and LBS - in order to exclude hits on your own. Allows you to use 155 mm shells on targets literally hundreds of meters from your troops.
        There was an article about him on VO
        https://topwar.ru/154351-komplekt-tochnogo-navedenija-m1156-na-vooruzhenii-armii-ssha.html
  10. 0
    12 October 2022 21: 52
    For the United States, Europe is a kind of colony and Ukraine is almost uncharted territory, I hope I will live until spring, when the Russian army will bring these Ukrainian Bandera to their knees. It will not be a victory over Ukraine, it will be a victory over the European Union, NATO and the entire foreign policy of the US Jewish lobby. am
    1. 0
      13 October 2022 13: 08
      Good luck on the front! You are clearly there, judging by the fighting spirit.
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    13 October 2022 13: 06
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: glory1974
    how at least the same Antonovsky bridge was struck, and compared with the defeat of the bridge by our forces and means in Zatoka. After that draw a conclusion.

    I do: judging by the fact that the RF Armed Forces are still advancing in the Nikolaev direction, all hopes for "defeating bridges with chimeras" have remained unrealizable hopes.

    Look at the result, not at the embroidery pattern - a lot will be revealed to you.

    And now, in mid-October, after the retreat in the Kharkov, Nikolaev directions and the beginning of mobilization, do you refuse to draw conclusions?
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    13 October 2022 13: 14
    Quote: Ka-52
    And it’s not the XVI musket that is compared very quickly leveled some qualitative superiority of the Russian army in technical equipment and a blaster, but systems of the same class. For example M777 and some kind of Msta-B. In the meantime, you don’t have this - don’t pester smart people with your hamster nonsense

    Do you want to compare barrel lengths? Or Excalibur with M777 and Msta-B with ... And with what, by the way? Krasnopol-D, which at least somehow would allow a comparison in the troops, was not seen at all.

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