Is the US hitting back with a hyper-strike?

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So, we can say that the empire strikes back. After Russia demonstrated the hypersonic Kinzhal in the flesh in Ukraine, the Americans faced a difficult choice: either create weapons, capable of leveling the hypersonic inventions of the Russians, or revising the entire defensive concept.

Several American specialized publications immediately paid attention to this issue. Both options cost a hell of a lot of money separately, and everyone understands this very well.



What can the US offer as a response? Too much and too little at the same time.

Alex Hollings recalls that a very effective remedy against speed is ... speed! And the answer to Russian hypersonic projects could be, for example, a bomber that can fly at a speed of about 10M. And it's not exactly fantasy.

Hollings reminds history "Blackbird" SR-71, which was able to perform reconnaissance missions in the sky of Libya, where it was very uncomfortable, since the Libyans had enough air defense systems and missiles for them.


Lockheed Martin designed the SR-71 around a simple concept: nothing can knock you down if it can't catch up with you. The maximum speed of the Blackbird, Mach 3,2, set new records for jet-powered aircraft, but in order to avoid Soviet missiles of the S-75 and S-125 complexes capable of reaching speeds of 5M, the SR-71 would need to go beyond your framework.

The SR-71 proved to be a very fast aircraft, really capable of evading missiles. In one of the flights, US Air Force Major Brian Schul set a speed record of 3,31M, or almost 3 km / h. True, the official record is much lower. But there is such a thing, in 950, the SR-1976 set an absolute speed record among manned aircraft - 71 km / h.

As they say, if you want to live, you won’t accelerate so fast ...

And now, many in the United States believe that the hypersonic speeds of new aircraft can become a lifesaver against Russian and Chinese hypersonic missiles.

We can agree that the history of SR-71 flights over Libya (and elsewhere) is a completely normal argument. Statistics (American) claims that over 30 years of service, about 71 missiles were fired at the SR-4 and none of them reached the target.


The fact that not a single Blackbird was shot down by a missile is a fact. But the figure of 4 is likely "a little exaggerated." However, that does not detract from the characteristics of the SR-000.

Today, the United States frankly lags behind Russia and China in the hypersonic race, but the fact that in the history of the country there was the world's fastest aircraft is somewhat encouraging.

The legacy of the SR-71 seems to have inspired the US Air Force to come up with a plan to win the hypersonic arms race in a different way. The American savior may not be a rocket, but an aircraft: the Lockheed Martin SR-72 bomber.


In general, little is known about the top-secret program that is developing the technology necessary to bring a hypersonic aircraft to life, something, and when necessary, the Americans know how to keep secrets.

But it became known that the program has a name: "Project Mayhem". And the fact that carefully edited interviews on a given topic appear in the media from time to time allows us to draw certain conclusions.

And at the same time, you can try to draw boundaries between American, Russian and Chinese developments in this area.

The Russian Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile is certainly fast (the term hypersonic describes flight speeds in excess of 5M), but it is the weapon's unique combination of speed and maneuverability that confuses modern air defense. Even the most modern defense systems cannot yet accurately intercept missiles moving at hypersonic speeds when changing course.

As a result, Russia, China and the United States are competing to deploy various types of hypersonic missiles. Russia and China claim that some of them are in service. The US appears to be lagging behind.

One possible reason for this lag, US analysts say, is that America's plans for hypersonic technology are more ambitious than just pushing a warhead beyond 5M. One of the goals is to develop a reusable hypersonic aircraft that could break through enemy air defenses while also avoiding the exorbitant cost of disposable hypersonic weapons.

The US has exploited this potential in inventions that have accumulated over the decades. It is not for nothing that American developments of high speeds have dominated the world for a long time, so it is simply a sin not to use it.

So, back in 1957, Boeing proposed the X-20 Dyna-Soar space plane for bombing and reconnaissance.


Neil Armstrong himself was among the pilots selected for the program, and in 1967 Air Force test pilot William "Pete" Knight flew his rocket-powered "North American" X-15A-2 at Mach 6,7.



Is the US hitting back with a hyper-strike?

By 2004, the NASA X-43A scramjet had reached Mach 9,6, and in 2007 there were reports that Skunk Works and the Air Force were working on an unmanned SR-71 dual-mode scramjet, dubbed the SR-72.

Russia's MiG-31 supersonic interceptor aircraft, already the world's fastest combat aircraft, can now carry Kinzhal hypersonic missiles that can outrun and outperform all known air defense systems.


The appearance of the Kinzhal in the war in Ukraine has brought a new emphasis on hypersonic technology, although the US use of this technology may be very different from that of Russia and China.

By 2015, the SR-72 came out from behind a veil of secrecy. The Lockheed Martin website said the aircraft could be in service by 2030. Up until March 2018, Lockheed publicly announced its efforts to deploy the SR-72, but immediately after Putin's Kinzhal speech, the company edited out any external reference to the aircraft.


There are two options: either the company abandoned the effort, or the work again received state funding and the corresponding secrecy stamp. The second seems more reasonable and likely.

Meanwhile, the hypersonic weapons deployed by America's competitors so far are similar to ballistic missiles, albeit much faster. Known as gliders, they are accelerated to hypersonic speeds by a missile before detaching and gliding toward their target at speeds up to Mach 20. How rocket-guided weapons change course remains a secret, but experts such as Chris Combs of the University of Texas at San Antonio, who specializes in hypersonics and aerospace engineering, suggest it is likely done using a combination of gas engines and aerodynamic planes. on hydraulic drive.

Another type of hypersonic weapon that has yet to enter service with any country is the hypersonic cruise missile powered by a supersonic ramjet or scramjet, the same experimental propulsion technology believed to be used for the SR-72. A hypersonic cruise missile flies similar to an airplane or drone-suicide, but it does not work well at low speeds, because the engine requires huge amounts of air that cannot be obtained at low speeds. The output is a rocket booster for the initial acceleration.

And of course, nowadays all hypersonic weapons have a common drawback: cost. A recent Pentagon estimate suggested that current hypersonic missile projects could cost between $89,6 million and $106 million each. And this is just in development. That's more than the F-35A, which is expensive to the point where it's considered obscene.

However, in August 2020, the Air Force created a new program to develop hypersonic missiles (70 projects in total as of 2021). This project, known as "Mayhem", aims to deploy a "multipurpose cruiser" equipped with a ramjet engine.


In terms of cost, a hypersonic multirole aircraft could be a game-changer. In terms of capabilities, this could tip the global balance of hypersonic forces back towards the United States.

To begin with, the Mayhem project is seeking to deploy an ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, Strike Capability) hypersonic multi-purpose platform that can carry at least three payloads. Two of them are standard types of weapons for the US Air Force (apparently, we are talking about rockets and bombs), the third will be dedicated to the old SR-71 specialty - intelligence.

Based on these documents, it is likely that the weapon being developed under the Mayhem project is not a hypersonic missile, but a hypersonic drone with the same operational parameters as the SR-72.

Also, it looks like the military is developing a new type of engine to power the SR-72. As NASA's years of experimentation have shown, a traditional scramjet will not meet the multipurpose requirements of the Mayhem project, as scramjet engines only operate at high speeds. Instead, Lockheed Martin appears to be developing a combined cycle scramjet that incorporates a traditional jet engine into its design for initial boost. An engine of this type would be a huge leap forward from what is currently available and would require complex engineering to solve many design problems. This is probably what is holding the project back.

The main difference between a scramjet engine and a conventional turbojet engine is the absence of a compressor that supplies the combustion chamber with huge masses of air for burning fuel. The required pressure of the air flow in the scramjet is achieved due to the speed of the aircraft. Accordingly, at low speeds, a scramjet is completely inefficient compared to a ramjet. This means that a scramjet platform cannot fly slow enough to land and can therefore only be used once. But a combined cycle scramjet, which includes a traditional jet engine, can fly just like an airplane, in which case nothing will interfere with its repeated use.

There is a grain of reason in this.

Instead of destroying an expensive scramjet by using it to launch a disposable rocket, Mayhem can use a combined cycle scramjet for a drone. This system will use a traditional jet engine to take off and accelerate to about Mach 3 before switching to a scramjet engine that will accelerate it to Mach 5 and beyond.

Once in enemy airspace at this speed, the Mayhem can fire conventional bombs and missiles at targets or conduct reconnaissance before flying back. Nothing new in tactics, the SR-71 also flew over Libya.

Tempting? Oh yeah. The combined engine will have to combine two different supply and control systems in one power plant. Pretty contradictory. American engineers working in the field of hypersonics say that engines that are optimal for takeoff and flights at subsonic speeds are very different from engines for hypersonic flights.

The problems of the scramjet are very significant in their essence. For example, the ignition of the air-fuel mixture when it passes through the engine at a speed greater than the speed of sound. Experts call this "holding the flame." To date, no country has yet succeeded in placing a ramjet propulsion system in a rocket, let alone an aircraft, although the US has conducted some encouraging tests. In the fall of 2021, Northrop Grumman successfully flew a rocket-sized scramjet under the DARPA Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC) program, and in March 2022, Lockheed Martin tested its prototype with the same success.

The technology that powers Mayhem is an extension of the scramjet engines currently used in HAWC, but the scramjet engines used for HAWC only offer half the (hypersonic) combined cycle needed for a platform like the Mayhem or SR-72. For the Mayhem to fly like an airplane, designers must devise a way to incorporate a conventional jet engine into the design without blocking the airflow in the scramjet or making the aircraft too heavy to fly.

The hypersonic arms race runs parallel to stealth aircraft technology, but it nonetheless affects how the military develops and uses this technology. Stealth technology is physics-limited when used on aircraft, especially fighter jets.

In order for an aircraft to perform the aerobatics required for the fighter class, it (the aircraft) needs vertical rudders, horizontal aerodynamic control surfaces such as flaps and ailerons, and air ducts to power the jet turbines inside the fuselage. These elements tend to produce an easily readable radar picture of the aircraft. Stealth planes are not actually invisible to radar, they just reflect minimal energy. In fact, many of them can be easily spotted using low frequency radar bands.

Antennas with AFAR, capable of reading reflections from several frequency ranges, will especially complicate the life of stealth aircraft. US Air Force experts have calculated that while maintaining the current dynamics of the development of antenna systems, after 2030, even the F-22 will have a minimal chance of surviving in the airspace.

In this case, the development of American companies in the field of hypersonic aircraft looks very, very promising. Speed ​​may well be opposed to invisibility, which will no longer be so. An unmanned aerial vehicle made by Mayhem could fly into enemy territory with impunity, engage a target or collect intelligence, and fly again without being shot down. And, as Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall explained about other drone programs in development, not having a pilot on board could allow the aircraft to take big risks.

This would mean significant cost savings. Most of the US arsenal of air-launched missiles and bombs ranges in value from tens of thousands to several million dollars each. Instead of seeing these weapons as obsolete, they could still be just as effective if they were delivered to targets at hypersonic speeds from inside the aircraft's bomb bay. A combined cycle scramjet like the one planned for the SR-72 could allow the US to offset the high-velocity missile capabilities used by Russia and China, and it could carry many of America's existing munitions into the hypersonic age.


Alas, accommodating various payloads on a hypersonic aircraft requires more subtlety than a simple underwing suspension.

“Going to Mach 5 and beyond generates extreme levels of heat, resulting in the need for innovative materials, sensors and electronics to withstand these speeds all the way,” says Dave Berganini, vice president of hypersonic and strike systems at Lockheed Martin. Missiles and Fire Control».

That is, as such, the external suspension is not applicable for speeds above 5 km / h, since it can cause the destruction of weapons from temperature. And perhaps the device will also need to maneuver ...

Since official information is scarce, there are some hints that the US Air Force and its Mayhem partners may be very far ahead in the development of hypersonic weapons. More precisely, hypersonic weapon carriers.

It turns out that the United States went on a slightly different path of development. Russia and China began to create hypersonic weapons, that is, missiles. In fact, yes, it worked, but these weapons systems are very expensive. American designers decided that the creation of a reusable weapon carrier capable of moving at hypersonic speeds was a more promising option.

You know, this is all somewhat reminiscent of the space race that unfolded in the recent past. The USSR relied on relatively inexpensive single-use ships, while in the USA the emphasis was on reusable ships. As a result, after many years, the Americans will definitely take the lead with new, and most importantly, cheap reusable ships.

The cost of delivering 1 kg of cargo to a low reference orbit by the Russian Proton is about $2, while the Falcon does it for $800 and promises that it will be even lower.

A reusable hypersonic bomber will definitely be more profitable than any disposable hypersonic missile weapon, at least in that it can hit several targets at a time and it is likely to return and repeat the flight.

Therefore, there are certain prerequisites for the fact that American engineers will hammer the topic long and hard, because the result will be worth it. Considering how many companies in the United States are involved in developments in the aerospace field, the result can be positive, and, whatever you take, a multi-cycle scramjet, a hypersonic carrier as a whole is a matter of “when”, not “if”.

Russian "Daggers" were also considered fiction and fantasy a couple of years ago.

Today one can speak with a grin about the desires of the Americans, but it is better not to do so. Elon Musk's lesson is still fresh. This “That's when it flies, then we'll talk” resulted in the loss of a huge piece of the space launch market for Russia. So the “when” may happen in the very near future.

The result of the work of American aerospace concerns may well be such that the US Air Force will have at its disposal a hypersonic carrier of conventional weapons. And such a probability of development of events will have to be reckoned with.

However, time is still playing on the side of Russia and China. But - only for now.
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  1. KCA
    +5
    26 August 2022 04: 34
    “Problems of scramjet engines are very significant in their essence. For example, the ignition of the air-fuel mixture when it passes through the engine at a speed exceeding the speed of sound. Experts call this “flame retention”. To date, no country has managed to place a ramjet propulsion system in a rocket, not to mention an airplane"

    I don’t understand, but “Zircon” is Soyuzmultfilm cartoons? Rockets with a scramjet have been flying successfully since the 80s, at least during the Yeltsin mess in 1995, even at MAKS, a GELA with a scramjet was demonstrated, if the author does not see a gopher, this does not mean that he does not exist
    1. +3
      26 August 2022 05: 56
      GELA did not reach serial production. What is there with "Zircon" - is unknown. "Dagger" is an ordinary solid-propellant rocket, nothing fundamentally new.

      In the article, as usual, there is a lot of water, and the main thing is not said: that hypersound (real) should fly in a dense atmosphere, hiding from radars at a relatively low altitude, using atmospheric oxygen as an oxidizer.
      1. KCA
        +7
        26 August 2022 06: 09
        GELA was not supposed to reach the series, it is also the Hypersonic Experimental Aircraft, X-90, also officially closed, but where the developments went .... I hope not to the joint Design Bureau "Rainbow" with the FRG Group for the study of hypersonic movement, although since Nata does not have hypersonic missiles, it was smart enough not to drain everything to them
        1. 0
          28 August 2022 13: 17
          Quote: KCA
          GELA was not supposed to reach the series, it is also the Hypersonic Experimental Aircraft, X-90, also officially closed, but where the developments went .... I hope not to the joint Design Bureau "Rainbow" with the FRG Group for the study of hypersonic movement, although since Nata does not have hypersonic missiles, it was smart enough not to drain everything to them


          MBDA Meteor flies at speeds of Mach 4 and faster.
          And how it is "faster" - few people know.
          It is quite possible that it can reach 5M.
      2. +3
        27 August 2022 17: 57
        1- where does it say that "real" hypersound is only in forward flow? Where is this nonsense from?
        2- regarding the zircons, the developer directly says that it has a forward flow.
        1. 0
          30 August 2022 22: 31
          Well, actually, our "partners" also had another UAV project IMHO NAA / Boeing X-30 NASP and later Microcraft X-43C.
        2. 0
          31 August 2022 19: 18
          it has a straight line

          ... just this one, a question of questions laughing
          And if it is not there, and the functions are performed, the wattette will be focussed according to the 2nd law of TRIZ wassat
      3. 0
        30 August 2022 22: 20
        Quote: t-12
        GELA did not reach serial production. What is there with "Zircon" - is unknown. "Dagger" is an ordinary solid-propellant rocket, nothing fundamentally new.

        In the article, as usual, there is a lot of water, and the main thing is not said: that hypersound (real) should fly in a dense atmosphere, hiding from radars at a relatively low altitude, using atmospheric oxygen as an oxidizer.

        For what purpose are you interested in what is there with Zircon and AGBO?
    2. +1
      26 August 2022 06: 07
      KSA-Roman is forgivable, he is not a technician, so the article has enough blunders and jambs. Overall though, it's interesting... hi
      1. 0
        25 September 2022 18: 16
        Personally, I am tormented by vague doubts about the use of conventional bombs from a hypersonic vehicle! what for bombing, such a prodigy must slow down in the target area and hit targets at subsonic speed! Otherwise, how? conventional bombs will not withstand heating, which the author already indicated, and because of the aerodynamics of bombs at wild speeds, they will not hit! No. for throwing hypersonic bombs, special ammunition is needed! As a result, the Yankees will get the same horseradish, only in the other hand! Weapons with exorbitant value lol and how in the story with the Shuttle they will still go broke on servicing flyers! laughing
    3. 0
      31 August 2022 15: 07
      X31 still flies quite well and for a long time
    4. 0
      31 August 2022 19: 24
      The problems of the scramjet are very significant in their essence.

      it would be useful for the author and many to re-read my old article almost 10 years ago - https://topwar.ru/35720-giperzvukovoy-zud-ili-chto-mogut-letatelnye-apparaty-na-giperzvuke.html
      And since then, practically nothing has changed. The manned motorized GZLA, as nobody needed it, just keeps on staying. laughing
      Let them indulge their pride, nothing will come of them ... wassat
  2. +2
    26 August 2022 04: 36
    Science does not stand still. I assume that such developments are underway in our country. On the other hand, the article lists the obstacles to the creation of such an aircraft, and it seems to me that it will take more time to get around them than 7-8 years. Another moment. Since the time of Khrushchev, we have been placing our main stake on missiles. And Americans prefer aviation. Therefore, it is easier for us to create a hypersonic air defense missile to intercept American hypersonic bombers. In short, we'll wait and see.
    1. +6
      26 August 2022 05: 46
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      And Americans prefer aviation

      The higher the speed of the aircraft, the greater the distance to the target that the missile must fly from the warhead. Yes, and launching a rocket from such a speed is problematic. To start mattress covers, you need to deprive titanium. hi
      1. +3
        26 August 2022 09: 13
        To start mattress covers, you need to deprive titanium.

        I completely agree. And not just titanium. hi
        1. -1
          26 August 2022 10: 19
          What are we still selling?
          1. +11
            26 August 2022 11: 10
            and enriched uranium - also did not stop exporting there.
  3. +4
    26 August 2022 05: 22
    Interesting drawings. Especially in terms of air intakes and the "exhaust" of the turbojet engine. Well, the Americans have J58. Same hybrid setup. But having, in my amateurish opinion, a more beautiful engineering solution. And aerodynamically looks more clean. Without the "slabs" of accelerating engines.
    1. +10
      26 August 2022 05: 59
      No, the author sees. It just feels like the article was written for the American reader, that they have everything according to plan. And the Russians ... well, yes, they have something there somewhere
      1. 0
        29 August 2022 00: 18
        And the Russians ... well, yes, they have something there somewhere

        Do not underestimate the enemy and make yourself look stupid over time - remember how many "trampolines" were built by the states and how many more will be in the near future.
  4. Eug
    +9
    26 August 2022 05: 40
    Author, please put things in order with the terminology, otherwise you have a scramjet engine or an aircraft (X-43A, SR-72) - which is strange, then the engine - which corresponds. As far as I know, at one time articles were published quite freely in which the so-called. "detonation combustion", now I can't find them, from which I draw certain conclusions ..
  5. PPD
    +5
    26 August 2022 06: 10
    a bomber that can fly at a speed of about 10M.

    It's good, of course.....
    But why? hi
    To drop a couple of bombs weighing 250 kilograms at such a speed?
    Or even a subsonic Tomahawk? Walk - so walk laughing
    And perhaps the device will also need to maneuver ...

    An unexpected thought ... although .. you just have to turn once.
    Or is aerobatics planned at Mach 10 in a bomber?
    Not weak, to be honest. wassat
  6. +8
    26 August 2022 06: 14
    All this is certainly fascinating, but there are nuances.
    1. What will be the resource of the airframe and engine of such an aircraft when flying in extreme conditions?
    2. An airplane will definitely not be able to fly faster than a rocket.
    3. The cost of an aircraft is not only the cost of its manufacture, but also the cost of its maintenance.
  7. +11
    26 August 2022 06: 17
    And what is the use of these hyperplanes? Based on the design for the ramjet, he will need direct air intakes with healthy incoming channels. That is, you can forget about any kind of radar stealth. And to bet on the fact that air defense missiles will not reach you (as in the cases of the ancient S-75/125 with their 5V24 and 5V27) is now stupid - the 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 Prometheus anti-missiles work with targets of +/- 7 km / s even in outer space. And this is for understanding the speed of intercepting targets flying at about 27 thousand km / h - that is, no hyperplane will fly at such a speed, its planes will fall off. Yes, even 40N6 from Triumph with its speed of 4500 m / s (17 thousand km / h) has a chance to catch up with such a hyperloop, if the distance allows. It turns out that they are designing a hefty and billion-dollar bulldozer for flights over the territories of 3 countries such as Libya - well, so-so idea.
    1. -4
      26 August 2022 14: 57
      40N6 from Triumph with its speed of 4500m / s (17 thousand km / h)

      Oh, these fairy tales! laughing
      1. 0
        26 August 2022 15: 01
        Oh, these fairy tales! laughing

        oh those idolaters of the great highmars laughing open the performance characteristics of the rocket and see - the maximum speed of the intercepted target is 4,8 km / s
        1. 0
          26 August 2022 17: 05
          Sorry, but you underestimate modest speeds too much ... there is at least 5,76 km / s. To intercept, the speed must at least be higher.
          hi
          1. +2
            27 August 2022 17: 41
            It is not the speed of the rocket that is written, but the speed of the intercepted target. You learn to read before you start arguing
            1. 0
              27 August 2022 21: 14
              You will learn to read before you start arguing

              Colleague, this applies more to you than to me. Re-read the dialogue...
              In the heat of battle, you opened friendly fire wink
              1. 0
                28 August 2022 13: 35
                We open any directory and see - the maximum interception speed for 40N6 is 4,8 km / s. Why blow bubbles? Argument for the sake of argument?
                1. 0
                  28 August 2022 14: 27
                  The argument is always for the sake of establishing the truth.
                  Target interception speed is indicated, i.e. the speed of the intercepted target. Because the speed of the rocket itself can and should be higher. In itself, which does not say, in principle, about anything. There is a minimum overshoot for interception, otherwise interception is not possible.
                  The conversation in the dialogue was about the speed of the rocket, not the target. You need to carefully read the entire dialogue, and not pull out individual theses if you are really interested, or you should not read them at all.
                  hi
                  1. 0
                    29 August 2022 04: 38
                    Dada, open the tabular data and look:
                    maximum speed of intercepted target - 4,8
                    maximum rocket speed 2,5
                    And where is "the speed of the rocket itself can and should be higher."? Before pestering me for the third day with your fabrications, stick your nose into the performance characteristics.
                    Regarding the commander of the Ka-52, he specifically refers to such a technical criterion as "the speed of the intercepted target." You did not understand him, and now for some reason you have arranged these altercations. Do you have nothing to do?
                    1. 0
                      29 August 2022 20: 51
                      Well, finally surfaced misinformation that you took for the truth.
                      Dada, open the tabular data and look:
                      maximum speed of intercepted target - 4,8
                      maximum rocket speed 2,5

                      We must always be critical of any infe.
                      How do you intercept a target with a speed twice as high if it shoots, let's say, in pursuit? There are even more interesting options, more difficult.
                      Three days were not in vain, the truth is found.
                      Thank you for your patience hi
                      Pyssy. In my respected Ka, it is written exactly like this,
                      In response to doubts about the speed of the rocket. I was talking about the whole dialogue.
        2. 0
          29 August 2022 10: 30
          Do you understand the difference between the speed of a missile and the speed of an intercepted target?
          Yes, even 40N6 from Triumph with its speed of 4500 m / s (17 thousand km / h) has a chance to catch up with such a hyperloop, if the distance allows.
          1. 0
            24 October 2022 10: 31
            Apparently you don't understand the difference.
            1. -2
              24 October 2022 12: 09
              Apparently you don't understand the difference.

              Well, of course, where am I to you
              1. 0
                24 October 2022 12: 28
                Well, this is the correct conclusion. At last
  8. -2
    26 August 2022 06: 37
    I don’t agree. Rockets can be scattered throughout the country .... And they have bases all around ... So the USSR did the right thing .. And where are these reusable ships? Right. And ours fly ...
  9. 0
    26 August 2022 06: 37
    We have already seen them cp72, Pete Maverick Mitchell successfully dispersed it to 10 flies and killed it)) catapulting from such a speed and height. And after going to the nearest bar, after all this, on your own two, skip a glass of double bourbon. These are people of steel
    1. +7
      26 August 2022 12: 59
      In general, little is known about the top-secret program.

      Yeah, Tom Cruise is already taking box office records around the world for this film, and you are all Secret laughing Even the transition to a hypersonic engine was shown laughing

  10. +1
    26 August 2022 06: 40
    . after many years, the Americans will definitely take the lead with new, and most importantly, cheap reusable ships

    Where are they, those shuttles?
    And the current ones are completely different technologies.
  11. +3
    26 August 2022 06: 43
    You know, this is all somewhat reminiscent of the space race that unfolded in the recent past. The USSR relied on relatively inexpensive single-use ships, while in the USA the emphasis was on reusable ships. As a result, after many years, the Americans will definitely take the lead with new, and most importantly, cheap reusable ships.

    Only all reusable Shuttles were written off after more frequent disasters, and disposable Unions still fly. The same goes for Falcon. Modern technologies have not matured to reusability.
    drinks
    1. +4
      26 August 2022 16: 50
      Falcon 9 has 172 successful launches out of 174 since 2010.
      In 2022, there are already 32 successful launches.
      Many stages flew 5-10 times without replacing engines.
      1. 0
        31 August 2022 15: 45
        Lies, what kind of fuel?
  12. +2
    26 August 2022 06: 53
    "The cost of delivering 1 kg of cargo to a low reference orbit by the Russian Proton is about $2, while the Falcon does it for $800 and promises that it will be even lower."
    This claim is highly doubtful. This does not take into account the injections of the military into the launches of the Falcons.
    Yes and assertion
    “The lesson of Elon Musk is still fresh. This “When it flies, then we’ll talk” resulted in the loss of a huge piece of the space launch market for Russia. So “when” can happen in the very near future.”
    Distorted. What is the main load of Max's launches?
    His Starlink. Therefore, it is necessary to correctly compare the available marketing data with realities.
    1. +10
      26 August 2022 07: 16
      Elon Musk's lesson is as follows. Roskosmos launched cargo at about $30 per kg. Musk for 18. Until the old Biden, apparently without looking, canceled the non-refundable subsidy to Musk. And immediately a kg at Musk began to cost $ 45 or more.
      So the lesson is simple - be a scammer whose scams are paid for by the American government, and you can crush competitors as you want! So-so lesson for spacecraft designers ...
      1. +7
        26 August 2022 10: 49
        Quote: Mikhail3
        launched loads at about $30 per kg

        And do not make it difficult to give the source of your statements? And then ... let's just say, even the price of $ 45 per kilogram of payload to low Earth orbit .. is unrealistically cool by today's standards. It's only $450 for a 000 tonne payload to Earth orbit. Both CNSA (China) and NASA (USA) will race to buy such technology if anyone has it.
        In reality, for example, the cost of launching the Falcon Heavy rocket from I. Musk really increased in 2022. From $90 million to $97 million. With a payload of about 60 tons to low Earth orbit. For comparison, the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle has an EMNIP estimated launch cost of $20-30 million. With a payload of about 9 tons to low Earth orbit. Launch vehicle "Proton" - launch price of about 50-60 million dollars. With an EMNIP payload of about 25 tons.
        That is, the price of launching into low Earth orbit for the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle is about $1650, for the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle - $2 (with a launch price of 220 million) - 20 (with a launch price of 3 million), for the Proton launch vehicle - $300 (with a launch price of 30 million) - $2 (with a launch price of 000 million).
        1. +6
          26 August 2022 11: 57
          Guilty. For ease of thinking, I skip the word "thousands" for myself) And this stupidity penetrated my post. In general, the average launch cost for Americans is from 80 million dollars.
          By the way, I googled the topic. And I was directly glad of the stability) All the materials on this Mask-Biden embarrassment are already either worn out or planted by the search so far that you are tempted to reach out. Internet - "freedom of information"!))
          1. +7
            26 August 2022 12: 39
            All materials on this mask-Biden embarrassment are already either worn out or planted by a search so far

            Because there was no "embarrassment". There is nowhere for him to come from.
            Actually, it is very difficult to deceive the laws of physics. Actually - the help of the US authorities to the company I. Mask really was. Only here, not in the form of "let's subsidize commercial launches in order to artificially lower the price," but in the free transfer of technologies that NASA had at the disposal of Space X, comrade. Mask.
            One of these technologies was the engine used in the Apollo lander. On the basis of which SpaceX created the Merlin-1D engine, which is now used as the first stage engine in the Falcon-9 and Falcon Heavy launch vehicles.
            A feature of the Merlin-1D engine operating on a kerosene-oxygen fuel pair (fuel + oxidizer) is its specific maximum thrust of 1739 Newtons per 1 kilogram of engine weight. For comparison, the RD-180 engine has a specific maximum thrust of 698 N per 1 kg of engine mass. Engines RD-107 and RD-108 (LV "Soyuz-2") - in 683 and 737 N per 1 kg of engine weight. The RD-253 engine with its 1561 N per 1 kg of engine mass is already close in this indicator to the Merlin-1D engine ... but, unlike the previously mentioned ones, the RD-253 uses a heptyl-amyl fuel pair.
            The downside of the "Merlin" is the relatively small thrust of each particular engine. Therefore, there are as many as 27 (twenty-seven) of them on two boosters and the actual first stage of the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle. Only now it is no longer the 1960s and modern electronics will allow these "big zoo of engines" to be controlled quite normally.
            The second point is the return of the first steps. Which after repair can be used again. Again minus the price. Such is the arithmetic.
            1. 0
              26 August 2022 17: 27
              Quote: Terran Ghost
              Actually - the help of the US authorities to the company I. Mask really was. Only now, not in the form of "let's subsidize commercial launches in order to artificially lower the price," but in the free transfer of technologies available to NASA

              So you need to compare the cost of comparable cost items.
              That is, for comparability of cost, it is possible that for Proton it is necessary to exclude the "depreciation" of previous design, R&D costs, etc.
              It may turn out to be a very significant distortion of the cost in the approach that there was no "help", but simply "... technology was transferred .."
              1. 0
                29 August 2022 00: 26
                perhaps for Proton it is necessary to eliminate the "depreciation" of previous design, R&D costs, etc.

                Excuse me, are you serious? I don’t remember for some reason that all the work from research and development work from various Soviet contractors was included in the estimate of the cost of launching the Proton.
                1. 0
                  30 August 2022 18: 05
                  I'm not sure because I don't know for sure.
                  Rather, I ask a question for reflection.
                  More than once I observed the result (in the company) when smart techies perform benchmarking or form the initial data for calculating the economic effect. And the result is a loss of the project. When they begin to analyze, it turns out that in the interests of launching a project, techies neglect the conditions in the calculations.
            2. +1
              27 August 2022 07: 38
              Quote: Terran Ghost
              Because there was no "embarrassment". There is nowhere for him to come from.
              In fact, it is very difficult to deceive the laws of physics.

              And the rest of the chacha)) Yes, it was, of course! It was in this form that it was - the US government transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to Musk's accounts for nothing without a return. Biden canceled all this due to a misunderstanding. Then he caught himself, and returned the free money to its place, to the budgets of the "breakthrough technologies" of the fraudster Mask. According to Ohm's law and Josef Buravchik's rule)) I don't know how else to screw the laws of physics here, except to remember the noble Czech scientist)
              I see that the Ukrainian Internet special forces have recruited again. Well, their location will be re-located, and...
      2. +1
        7 October 2022 13: 04
        Elon Musk's company for launching reusable spacecraft annually received $900 million in subsidies from the US government. For 2023, it was decided to cancel these subsidies. This is all to the real cost of launching 1 kg of cargo into low Earth orbit.
  13. +7
    26 August 2022 07: 13
    simple concept: nothing can knock you down if it can't catch up with you.
    I didn’t read further. What for?
    See. We take the same Dagger. We launch. And now let's throw a shovel exactly on its trajectory. What will happen? The dagger will break into pieces. Why? Because ITS speed is very high. Shovel speed - no) This is simply not necessary.
    To shoot down a hyper-rocket, only an extremely mentally disabled character can try to catch up with it. However, the intelligence of politicians who approve military budgets is negligible. Cunning, meanness and betrayal occupy the main place in their heads, so it is precisely such a crazy formulation that will best pass through someone's Senate. or Congress. Or Duma, of course...
    1. +2
      26 August 2022 08: 52
      And now let's throw a shovel exactly on its trajectory.

      Why does it have to be a shovel? smile
      1. +1
        26 August 2022 10: 18
        That's good too) To shoot down a fast moving object, you don't need speed, you need accuracy. The requirements for anti-missile weapons are absolutely not the same as those given in the article. In fact, everything is needed there to fight hyperweapons, just like a hare urgently needs a stop signal.
    2. 0
      27 August 2022 18: 09
      Honestly, I would give you a hundred minuses for this opus. Let's find out how the calculation of hitting a target at a missile is going on, and then you will laugh at "catch up" and stop writing about the shovel.
  14. 0
    26 August 2022 08: 31
    A lot of PR, but somehow chaotic.
    I remember that they laid out the Table of performance characteristics of the YUSA anti-aircraft missiles, and there are quite a lot of Hypersonics there.
    And the planes? too expensive, that's fools and no hurry.
    We had to completely redo the high-speed MIG for the Dagger. And the planes...
    Rockets? So they wrote, they are also in no hurry, what for, if one destroyer carries about a hundred conventional cruise missiles, which is cheaper, longer-range and more versatile than supersonic ....
  15. -2
    26 August 2022 11: 11
    Nothing new in tactics, the SR-71 also flew over Libya.

    Aha! Over Libya, perhaps, but over Russia? .. Read how "blackbirds" flew over Russia ...
  16. +6
    26 August 2022 11: 30
    A hypersonic aircraft will face multiple problems of supersonic aircraft - it will be a hellishly expensive product, to manufacture, to operate. Accordingly, these will be relatively small series, which will also affect the price. These will be "golden birds", although hardly vulnerable, but still hit by air defense, albeit with insignificant chances. It should be understood that an object at such speeds is incredibly vulnerable to everything, and the strength characteristics that it is possible to lay in it are unable to compensate for this. Thus, a hit by fragments or a shock wave at 5M + can ruin a target in conditions in which a supersonic or subsonic one might not have noticed. Violation of the aerodynamic characteristics or the integrity of thermal coatings, whatever, and a machine with a horse price tag will turn into a fireball.
    So, in principle, the issue of combating such targets is not an "impossible" thing, just the concept of an accurate hit will be replaced by the concept of effective seeding of the area in the zone of the intended PE following.
  17. +1
    26 August 2022 11: 55
    I see one relatively inexpensive way to counteract hypersonic weapons - it is necessary to launch missiles (many, but stupid) at the rate of the aircraft / missiles with a large number of small striking elements with a shape that allows the maximum possible time to be in the air. When entering such a cloud, the device will be hit by its own speed.
  18. +4
    26 August 2022 12: 08
    Statya is just a set of letters about nothing. It looks like a bad translation. Just as the author of the text does not understand anything in non-sound, so the one who published it did not bother to understand the topic
  19. +6
    26 August 2022 12: 21
    The blue dream of the Anglo-Saxons - war with the Papuans on a worldwide scale: we sit to ourselves and drink morning coffee, and our bullets smash to shreds all this drape with their spears, bows and antediluvian caramul-tuks ...
    This dream came true regularly in the XNUMXth century, sometimes in the XNUMXth century. (but already very rare) and not at all in the XNUMXst century. Only phantom pains remained in the form of the same "hypersonic combat aircraft" (GBS).
    Why GBS is the phantom pain of the Anglo-Saxons?
    1. Let's look at required engine thrust.
    A modern combat aircraft has a cruising speed in the region of 0,9 M (we leave all these blah blah blah about cruising supersonic on the conscience of "effective managers" sawmillers and the journalists who sold them). Resistance is proportional to the square of speed (and passing through the sound barrier adds about two more due to wave resistance (if not more)). Thus, an aircraft with a cruising speed of 6M will require an engine with a thrust of 36 / 0,81 * 2 = 88,89 times larger than modern fighters and bombers.
    And this is provided that the weight and size parameters of the aircraft remain at the level of modern ones ... Do we now have at least IDEAS for creating engines with a specific thrust a hundred times greater than modern ones? - Not. This means that the mass and dimensions of the promising GBS will be significantly larger than that of modern combat aircraft. I won’t be mistaken if I say “an order of magnitude” - and this is only because of the engines ... But we also have ...
    2. Fuel consumption! The specific fuel consumption of a ramjet is 6M higher than that of a diesel engine by 0,9M, that is, due to the design of the engine, fuel consumption cannot be fundamentally reduced! Since we get almost a hundred times more engine thrust, we need a hundred times more fuel... Plus weight gain due to a heavier power plant ... Plus weight gain due to more fuel mass ...
    The Su-27, with a maximum takeoff weight of 33 tons in tanks, has 9,4 tons of fuel. That is, the specific gravity of the fuel is not less than 0,3. GBS will need about a hundred times more fuel: approx. NINE Hundred Tons. And the car itself will confidently jump over THREE THOUSAND TONS ...
    As a result, we are ALREADY getting a monster with the combat functionality of the Su-27, but with some unimaginable weight and dimensions! But you also need to provide...
    3. Combat range... For the Su-27, when flying at high altitude, it leaves 1 km. But GBS can't do that! He needs to accelerate not to 680M, but to 0,9M. Miracles with engines - I repeat - are not yet expected, so it will accelerate to 6M several times longer than the Su-6 to its 27. That is, either no 0,9M with a radius of 6 ... 1,5 thousand km, or the combat radius should be several times larger. And this is again fuel, and this is again dimensions and weight, and this is again engine thrust, and this is again fuel, and this is again dimensions and weight, and this again is engine thrust ... And so on ad infinitum! And we already have THREE THOUSAND TONS!
    4. Economy... Even without taking into account the fact that the GBS, due to the very high aerodynamic heating, must be made from completely different materials, the car we have already turned out to be TWO ORDERS heavier. And this is dumb money! How do you like a serial fighter for ... 1,5 billion dollars?
    5. (Cherry on the cake) steady turn radius. Acceleration during turns is determined by the formula a=v^2/R. Since the physical capabilities of the pilot are unlikely to change much in the foreseeable future, the maximum overload of the promising GBS will be the same as that of the Su-27 (no more). But since the cruising speed is almost 100 times greater, the radius of the turn will be ... TEN THOUSAND TIMES BIGGER. The Su-27 has no less 450 mand there will be... 4,5 THOUSAND KILOMETERS! Two-thirds of the latitudinal dimension of Russia! And this is with an overload of a steady turn of the order of 5g, which also still needs to be provided with engine thrust!

    Is this a SERIAL COMBAT aircraft? .. Will it ever fly at all ???
    1. 0
      26 August 2022 19: 54
      Quote: PilotS37
      Thus, an aircraft with a cruising speed of 6M will need an engine with a thrust of 36 / 0,81 * 2 = 88,89 times greater than that of modern fighters and bombers.
      No, it won't. In hypersound, it will fly at high altitudes (above 40 km), where air resistance is significantly less.
      1. 0
        26 August 2022 20: 26
        Been waiting for this comment!
        But you still have to climb 40 km! Having saved on density, they will lose on the time to climb and the fuel consumption required for this.
        And again: if the air density at an altitude of 40 km is a thousand times less than 10 km (where everyone now flies), and the velocity head is a hundred times greater, then the ten (1000/100 \u10d 3) you will have to get it using the area of ​​​​the same wing ... And this is an increase in resistance by a factor of XNUMX + mass growth ... Well, then - according to the scheme described above ...
        IT DOESN'T FLY!
        1. +1
          27 August 2022 00: 08
          Quote: PilotS37
          But you still have to climb 40 km!
          The Mg-25 had a dynamic ceiling of 37 km, and you still have to accelerate to launch the direct-flow, so it's not a problem.
          Quote: PilotS37
          they will lose on the time to climb and the fuel consumption required for this.
          Well, yes, with a route of 1000 km, 20 additional kilometers upwards will be introduced into such expenses ...
          Quote: PilotS37
          the ten (1000/100 = 10) that is not enough to ensure the load-bearing properties of the wing will have to be added using the area of ​​the same wing.
          In hypersound, everything is much more complicated, no additions to the wing area.
          Quote: PilotS37
          IT DOESN'T FLY!
          It flies, not IT, but Vanguard, but it flies and is controlled. The main differences in the engine.
        2. 0
          27 August 2022 18: 15
          You have a nickname pilot, so why argue. Look for the performance characteristics of the flight of the same thrush. About 88 times more powerful and 100 times more fuel smiled very much. More of course. But this is not a linear relationship. In fact, now the head hurts more for the calculators of the sopromat
          1. 0
            28 August 2022 17: 05
            Well, look for yourself. I'll tell you one fact: there, the maximum overload of 2,5G was considered very optimistic. A NASA experiment conducted in the late 1980s showed miscalculations in the design of the Lockheed Scynkwork high-speed high-altitude interceptor Y / A-12yu Who did not know that when turning, the nose of the fuselage lags behind the center section by 12 cm. deviating outward turn!
            1. 0
              29 August 2022 17: 23
              Are you serious now? It was about fuel consumption and its supply and engine power, it seemed, and not about overload. I understand there is nothing to argue about the topic of conversation? And about overload. Maybe. I didn't say anything about this. They could also present the fact of greater illumination of the devices. And the comfort of the seats. It would also work as proof.
              1. 0
                30 August 2022 21: 58
                Well, it’s full of demagogues to swipe their tongues now in the light of the SVO, if they were taxiing “behind the tape” like that, then we would already be under the Pentagon! :) As I understand the fact that this unit shone on Soviet radars no worse than the MRBM - it’s already nothing does not mean? By the way, Andrei (about the comfort of the seats): is my counterpart even aware of the habitability of the U-2, B-58, A-12 cabins? Where did you have to sit in a spacesuit in a cramped cabin for several hours? Although at the beginning of my career I was cunning about the spacesuit on the A-12, there are a lot of photos of test pilots in ordinary masks of ZSh and PKK.
              2. 0
                30 August 2022 22: 17
                1. By modern standards, this is finally not an airplane. It is limited to manned winged vehicle. You apparently confused the high-altitude high-speed single-seat photo reconnaissance Lockheed A-12 (aka OXNART Archangel 12) an aircraft obtained by cutting the high-altitude high-speed regional bomber RB-12b or the UAV carrier of the high-speed photo reconnaissance M-21 / GTD-21 with SR-7A / B?
                Are you aware that this essentially combined UAV was piloted by a pilot during takeoff and landing and refueling? Well, then there were no analogues of systems from the 1980s, such as the one that was on the KKO "Buran" and now on the UAV Boeing XB-48.
                2. Well, we looked at the performance characteristics. You have no idea how I neighed like a horse over the compilers of the book "Combat Aviation of the World" (before it lies in the garage) fools who wrote there a ferry range of 12000 km.! I’m already silent. That his speed record was accidentally set in the weather "million to a million" and with a headwind of the force! Because when accelerating more than 3650 km / h, a surge of compressed hot gas from the nose cook: caused an active surge of the Markvart SPRD cameras in its engine nacelles! No, well, if the X-15 & XB-70 Valkyrie were a forced compromise and, in fact, niche experimental aircraft, then Lockheed is a compromise for now in a cube.
                3. Well, he counted wrong. But in life, when the fuel gauge and crude VVU automation were incorrectly counted, this aircraft quickly turned into a piece of fused alloyed polymetal from a fire in the air.
  20. -1
    26 August 2022 12: 43
    Of course scary.
    The growth of the economically active population must be ensured. You need to train him. We need to create productive jobs. It is necessary to share the social product fairly. We need to develop our science. And then everything will be.
    Anyone who is afraid of the US or China does not believe that leadership is competitive.
    1. 0
      27 August 2022 18: 19
      I gave you a minus, because the phrase "I am for everything good, against everything bad" smacks of infantilism. And unproductive. Is always!
  21. +2
    26 August 2022 12: 45
    First, achieving "speed advantage at the expense of speed" is incredibly difficult. Problems grow in proportion to the cube of speed. It must be understood that hypersonic flight is assumed within the earth's atmosphere, in space the speeds are unlimited. Talking about invisibility is ridiculous. An apparatus running on hypersonic does not just heat up. It goes in a cloud of plasma, which is not just a decoy for missiles with IR-seeker, but perfectly reflects the radio waves of any radar. It’s even funnier to talk about maneuvering at such speeds - the device will simply fall apart during intensive maneuvering at such speeds. With external suspensions, the device simply will not reach high speed. Free-falling unguided bombs will fall with a miss of hundreds of kilometers, even a nuclear charge will not help. Due to the fact that the device goes in a plasma cloud that does not transmit electromagnetic waves, there are gigantic problems with the operation of any sensors, sensors, radars, antennas, and even with a visual overview from the device. If at a speed of Mach 5 this is not so critical, then with an increase in speed this cloud of plasma appears, and the device has to rise to a greater height, with more rarefied air. And the greater the height, the longer the flying hypersound is detected. Therefore, vehicles in "cruising mode" either rise to a great height and are guided from there, allowing a large miss, or are controlled by an inertial system, and in the final section they reduce speed so that a plasma cloud does not arise. Naturally, the vulnerability of devices in the final section increases with a decrease in speed. Another option is when a hypersonic vehicle, without slowing down, drops a lower-speed ammunition. True, in this case there is a threat to ammunition
  22. +2
    26 August 2022 12: 53
    By the way, it is much more difficult to implement a high-speed device than to protect against it. The main problem in defense is that they are trying to implement it by pointing a guided missile at a hypersonic aircraft (GZLA). Modern air defense systems cope with this poorly. But before the advent of air defense systems, in the era of anti-aircraft artillery, they simply fired barrage. A nuclear explosion is also a variant of barrage fire. So, when any high-speed apparatus is detected, its flight can be "calculated", no matter what maneuvers it does. Moreover, the possibilities of maneuvering are limited due to the resulting overloads. And, with the timely detection of the GZLA, it is possible to launch lower-speed missiles into the zones of its probable appearance, which will consistently create clouds of damaging elements, even dust, on its way. And when hit at such speeds, even dust particles can be dangerous. Even if they break through the strong shell of the GZLA, they can ruin the engine, disrupt aerodynamics, which will lead to a decrease in the speed of the GZLA, and either lose its advantages or be shot down by conventional air defense systems
  23. -1
    26 August 2022 12: 59
    That is why it is hardly worth expecting exactly hypersonic combat aircraft standing like a whole city. Most likely, these will be missiles similar to the "Dagger" (aeroballistic), or hypersonic gliders of ballistic missiles (such as "Avangard"). And we should expect the appearance of means to counter them ("barrage dust")
  24. 0
    26 August 2022 13: 04
    Yes, and about the SR-71. They stopped flying into the airspace of the USSR after they were met by the MiG-31. For at that moment they lost their invulnerability
    1. +2
      27 August 2022 05: 57
      Quote: futurohunter
      Yes, and about the SR-71. They stopped flying into the airspace of the USSR after they were met by the MiG-31. For at that moment they lost their invulnerability

      American SR-71s never flew into the airspace of the USSR, at least over land. And they stopped shooting corners over the sea after the mass deployment of the S-200V air defense system.
      1. 0
        27 August 2022 21: 55
        At least they got very close. And the story of how the MiG-31 drove off the SR-71, which was approaching the borders of the USSR in the Arctic, is known
  25. +3
    26 August 2022 13: 04
    The author mixed everything together. I finished with the traditional phrase about the loss of the space market (although no one has ever given arguments in favor of this judgment. Orbit trajectories? No, no need to fill your head with such trifles). But it's okay, let's leave it. Reusable hypersonic vehicle, it's buzzing. It only pulls the chain of weapon development for it. Otherwise, you will have to reduce the speed before use. And ..., voila, an excellent target for air defense. What do we end up with? Where did the author see the economy here? Or is it "different"?
  26. -1
    26 August 2022 15: 53
    The Americans never fought against a strong enemy with solid air defense, tiny Libya is far from the same Ukraine, at least, and Ukraine was armed with both S-300 and Buki, so the “successes” of the Blackbird are about nothing they don’t say ... As for the Falcon, it has not yet been used in reusable mode ... So this is most likely a fake, and it is possible to reduce the price of putting cargo into orbit with appropriate external funding ... But, given the current economic difficulties in America, I think that the Falcons will soon be laid up .... As for the hypersonic bombers of the Americans, they could not create a normal hypersonic missile, attempts, after that, to create a hypersonic bomber are a blatant utopia or the desire to disguise the technological squalor of the modern United States. Well, Russia has both "Daggers" and "Iskanders" and is actively using them, launching into the "Zircon" series, the United States has nothing of the kind and is not expected about this, and the raised hype with American hypersonic bombers speaks ...
    1. -1
      26 August 2022 16: 44
      Quote: Andrey A
      The Americans never fought against a strong enemy with solid air defense

      Japan. Least. Yes, and Iraq of the 1991 model, in principle, probably too.
      Quote: Andrey A
      As for the Falcon, it has not yet been used in reusable mode ...

      What? https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/spacex-launches-first-astronauts-on-a-reused-rocket - by the way, this is not the first Falcon-9 launch in reused mode. But the first, in which a spacecraft with a crew is launched by such a rocket.
      Quote: Andrey A
      "Successes" of the "Blackbird" do not say anything

      Why are successes in quotation marks?
      1. -3
        27 August 2022 00: 27
        How did you get with your Japan and even more so with manipulations with Iraq weakened by strife and sanctions, the war with Iran by 1991!
        1. +1
          27 August 2022 10: 20
          I did not understand, Iraq was weakened by the war with Iran, or vice versa, did it have an army with real combat experience? The defeat of the Iraqis is not at all due to outdated equipment.
          1. -1
            28 August 2022 16: 49
            Uncle, go after your nickname and don't go to me with your childish manipulations (and not only your own). Either they bribed everyone from you there, then the bloggers from Saddam’s Pipe were all in command of the relatives of Al-Tikriti? One purely stupid user even told me that it’s not in the habits of Asians to betray relatives! there are no such habits, who in the Soviet-Dungan bought and sold takeaway either the British, or the Chiang Kai-shek, or Mao, or the USSR? Or the shahs of Koshi (Kashgar), who later became the supply manager in the Regional Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in Osh? ;)
      2. 0
        2 September 2022 19: 57
        Regarding the wars of the Americans, I, of course, had in mind post-war history ... Here I was not inaccurate, which I admit ... As for the Falcon, its, as it were, reusable flight took place on April 8, 2022 at the height Special operations, the conditions of the actually ongoing Third World War, sanctions, propaganda wars and who can check whether they flew before on its first stage or not. Then we will find out about everything ... As for the Blackbird, the author of the article we are discussing doubts that 4000 anti-aircraft missiles were launched at it ...
      3. 0
        4 September 2022 19: 45
        But the MiG-41 project is much closer to reality: the MiG-31 really exists and is an interceptor fighter, not a reconnaissance and
        характеристики будут более или менее близки....https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/6312657f80646946b4387029/mig41kub-novyi-istrebitel-piatogo-pokoleniia-vvs-rossii-kotoryi-zamenit-mig31-63139ba7f26adc21e58fdb14?&
  27. -2
    26 August 2022 16: 58
    The fundamental protection against Hyper sound is still the Soviet Active Protection Complex for silo launchers "Mozyr" https://arsenal-info.ru/pub/protivoraketnaya-oborona/mozyr
  28. +2
    26 August 2022 17: 02
    If a hypersonic vehicle flies into a cloud of steel buckshot, then it will definitely come to an end. A plane is definitely more expensive than a rocket.
  29. +3
    26 August 2022 17: 41
    I'm on my way to the next round of history...
  30. +2
    26 August 2022 17: 57
    The fact that not a single Blackbird was shot down by a missile is a fact. But the figure of 4 is likely "a little exaggerated." However, that does not detract from the characteristics of the SR-000.
    And it flew where it was not allowed to fly and could really crash ???
    The answer is simple... it didn't fly.
    "the elusive cowboy Joe" and why didn't anyone catch him?
    1. 0
      26 August 2022 19: 11
      No. He served on the S75 air defense system opposite the Afghan wedge. Reconnaissance and target designation station. I looked at everything on the screen within a radius of 180 km. SR71 saw 1 time. Accidentally. 2 or 3 marks on the screen. Much less than a minute. managed to announce.
      1. +3
        26 August 2022 19: 41
        Flickered on the horizon and disappeared ... and this can be called a reconnaissance flight? It never entered deep into the territory, unlike U 2 or our MiG 25 over Sinai ...
        But the U 2 was shot down and it didn’t fly to us anymore, and the Mig 25 flew until the mission was turned off!
        By the way, SR 71, scrambled from our moments and survived for one reason that there was no order to shoot down, he didn’t cross the Goss border, so he caught it with his wing several times ... for, the Yankees were well aware that in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbour air defense, they banged b him twice ..
        In general, the typical "elusive cowboy Joe" ... although, as an outstanding design development, yes, it is top class.
    2. +1
      27 August 2022 00: 25
      Well, historians themselves often mention the defeat by Chinese air defense systems of a photo of an A-12 reconnaissance aircraft in flights over the DRV. The rocket exploded under Lockheed himself, punching 12 holes in the titanium in his bottom.
      1. 0
        27 August 2022 07: 22
        The situation has changed, now they are working from a distance, not entering the air defense strike zone, where it is.
        1. 0
          28 August 2022 16: 40
          Quote: rocket757
          The situation has changed, now they are working from a distance, not entering the air defense strike zone, where it is.

          1. Yes, it already changed in the shaggy 1960s, when they began to install Taikol boosters on tactical nuclear weapons for the Convar B-58 ?! :) At the same time, for some reason, they put an end to this bomber (by the way, with a very shitty crew habitability) and on similar "deck carriers" of nuclear weapons NAA A / RA-5C! At the same time, they began to sculpt High Virgo ammunition for it, and later Bold Orion - really American hypersonic low-orbit ammunition, moreover, the Orion Bow with a neutron warhead.
          2. With regards to the Lockheed U-2 / ER-2 / TR-1, this sample, when it was ALREADY designed and created, was considered a temporary system of global aerial photography and RTR reconnaissance (according to the loss of the RTR of the Pueblo vessel and the failure of the Conchino DPL mission) . So the Lockheed A-12 was a temporary global high-altitude photo reconnaissance system. As we all know, they wanted to see a bunch of a converted two-seat regional bomber with nuclear weapons from Scynkworka RB-12 as a really operated and long-range complex. This is a Lockheed M-21 model in conjunction with a UAV GTD-21A Drone. But it turned out, how it turned out, and now the people who rivet such articles do not even know about the existence of this generally top-secret UAV. Although such a UAV is in the file cabinets on all portals on the history of aviation.
          3. Like the author of this opus, you get the Lockheed RB-72 Aurora (I think it’s more correct in THEIR classification system) from the landmark, but rather flawed video of the SAC USAF Lockheed SR-71A / B reconnaissance - you don’t ask me. Lockheed could not even ensure the operation of their interceptor in the form of a full-fledged regiment in the 1970s or attach it to the VKS PKO!
          PS: I just wanted to correct you, from the point of view of history, as an enthusiast of vehicles like the Boeing X-15 and other intermedium carriers like "Baptya", BOR, X-37 - these KKOs at least had the potential, in the prospects to explore something or, not having received a megaton warhead in the Oval Office or the Kremlin in half an hour.
          1. +1
            28 August 2022 17: 10
            What can I say ... in different countries they went their own way in the development of technology, depending on what strategic tasks the government / state had.
            On someone's leap forward, a real, strong opponent was looking for / found his own answer, leveling this or that problem.
            At this moment in time, the three leading powers have a military potential at a level that none of its real opponents can / will check how true this is, guaranteed.
            This is how we live, and on that the world rests, for now.
            1. +1
              30 August 2022 21: 48
              I agree with you about the same. Why the hell on a serious portal of the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex to inflate a semi-mythical hype on an apparatus whose life will end at the moment the zone passes 120 km. before the borders of the airspace of the Russian Federation, and even after that the Pentagon and the US Senate will apologize for this for another fifteen years, because this is not a product of the USA Aerospace Forces or K-Hole (NROL) and the so-called. "Clear Sky strategy" from the treaties between the USA and the USSR.
              1. 0
                31 August 2022 10: 09
                What they write is different, it’s understandable ... the project is commercial, they will write a lure.
                Even the fact that different fantasies are discussed, or even complete nonsense ... it’s understandable, it’s boring to talk about only one, “mundane” one.
                In general, the usual "talker" and the authors / owners also want to eat, not crackers with water.
                In general, everything is as always, everything is as everywhere ... although there are more than many rules, restrictions, in many places ...
  31. -1
    26 August 2022 19: 04
    Some kind of hoax. I flew a lot on the TU-154. Somehow I wondered why the engines rattle loudly and the body vibrates at the initial and final stages of the flight. The flight itself is quiet
    , under a characteristic light whistle. They explained to me, takeoff and landing on 2x turbojet engines. Flight on a ramjet engine. Now I am reading the TU154 configuration in the modern edition-3 turbojet engines. How is it?
    1. 0
      26 August 2022 19: 56
      Quote: Yuri Moscow
      Flying on a ramjet
      This is for the MiG-25, not for the Tu-154.
      1. -4
        26 August 2022 21: 41
        what I myself saw and heard, I write. By the way, moment25 and that154, if you remember, the democrats silently destroyed immediately.
    2. +2
      26 August 2022 22: 21
      This is so: the one who explained to you was an idiot. The Tu154 always had 3 identical engines. What is on B2, what is on M. On takeoff, they operate at maximum speed. Then, when the aircraft reached a predetermined altitude, the pilot switches the engines to nominal. When approaching the ground, the landing gear is released, which worsens aerodynamics against the background of a decrease in speed. To compensate, the pilot releases the flaps, which changes the geometry of the wing and, under different conditions, slightly increases the vibration in the cabin ...
  32. -2
    26 August 2022 20: 36
    The author of the last top gun has seen enough of something, the Dagger has a maximum speed of Mach 12, and a plane with Mach 6 is no longer relevant now, then it’s easier for them to reanimate the Shuttle and push rockets with bombs into the compartment)))
    1. +2
      26 August 2022 22: 15
      In different parts of the flight, the same hypersonic aircraft flies at different speeds M.
  33. +1
    26 August 2022 22: 14
    Interesting article. "What will the merchant class answer?" (I. Ilf, E. Petrov)
  34. 0
    27 August 2022 00: 06
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    In different parts of the flight, the same hypersonic aircraft flies at different speeds M.

    Well, it's understandable. Now there is a photo of the flight profiles of the same A-12. And then the GTD-21A is just an exception to the rule.
  35. 0
    27 August 2022 00: 23
    Quote: air wolf
    The author of the last top gun has seen enough of something, the Dagger has a maximum speed of Mach 12, and a plane with Mach 6 is no longer relevant now, then it’s easier to reanimate the Shuttle and push rockets with bombs into the compartment)))

    Do you really want to cause anal pain in the historians of the USSR Aerospace Forces and the US Aerospace Forces? I watched the Tactic Media historical cycle about VKS and VKD and other intermedium media. As soon as the talk turned to the most hype topic of the EVA with space strike systems, even if it were the mythical Jeronimo, even our GR-1 / ORB, the speaker became such a sour mine on his face! I agree with him that such a hype topic - the R&D topic is extremely cannibalistic and anti-human.
    PS: In addition to PKO, the so-called. "Star Series" type High Virgo & Bold Orion and their carrier B-58 (don't ask me for figs, they cut them), their "miscarriage" GAM Scy Bolt - had a lot of problems with monstrousness and in those years he never LA did not fit, even in the B-52D! Carrying two balalaikas under the wing is still a pleasure. You ask: wait, where are all these Medusa & Golden Arrow? And you will be right. There were many of these programs. Well, they carried out launches and, like, conservation.
    P.P.S.: You can’t hide KKO in your pocket, everything is tracked from the ground and space. And with a real shock EVA, and especially in non-convention, the Space Shutl had crazy problems, including. with CC and PNK, heating of the SBC and shaking in flight.
  36. +3
    27 August 2022 01: 11
    Quote: futurohunter
    Statya is just a set of letters about nothing. It looks like a bad translation. Just as the author of the text does not understand anything in non-sound, so the one who published it did not bother to understand the topic

    Actually, that's why I started a couple of years ago, before reading any article, check its author)
    If Skomorokhov is indicated, you can safely proceed to the comments. More sense.
  37. +2
    27 August 2022 17: 52
    Is the US hitting back with a hyper-strike?


    another American SDI. The main problem of hypersound is not to reach hypersonic speed, but to ensure a long flight at hypersonic speed + ensuring during this flight the passage of communication / control signals through hot plasma, which will inevitably envelop the rocket / aircraft during such a long flight.
    At the moment, the United States is only trying to get beyond the lower limit of uncontrolled hypersound (roughly speaking, they have not yet been able to ensure a long uncontrolled flight of a rocket whose characteristics are inferior to the Russian "Dagger" controlled by the operator in flight)

    It is surprising that instead of Mach 10, the Americans did not write that, for example, their plane would fly, for example, at a speed of Mach 100.

    All this is reminiscent of a Soviet joke in which Khrushchev proposes to send Soviet cosmonauts to the Sun after the Americans fly to the moon. And to the objection of scientists that they say all the cosmonauts will burn there, he orders to fly at night.
    1. +3
      27 August 2022 22: 04
      Bugaga! At Mach 100, the plane will reach space velocity 2 relative to the Earth and fly straight to the Moon, captured by its gravitational field)) And if the Moon is on the other side of the Earth, it will simply become a satellite of the Sun)
  38. +2
    27 August 2022 23: 40
    Why did the author put a photo of the F-18 prototype into the article? Is it, like, such a hyperplane? "Oh yes" - the author answers himself. Article is shit.
  39. 0
    28 August 2022 16: 51
    Quote: Proctologist
    I did not understand, Iraq was weakened by the war with Iran, or vice versa, did it have an army with real combat experience? The defeat of the Iraqis is not at all due to outdated equipment.

    In general, you understand: an attempt to throw humus not on the topic of the topic, into the fan, does not apply to attempts to make this bomber.
  40. 0
    28 August 2022 16: 54
    Quote: lopvlad
    Is the US hitting back with a hyper-strike?


    another American SDI. The main problem of hypersound is not to reach hypersonic speed, but to ensure a long flight at hypersonic speed + ensuring during this flight the passage of communication / control signals through hot plasma, which will inevitably envelop the rocket / aircraft during such a long flight.
    At the moment, the United States is only trying to get beyond the lower limit of uncontrolled hypersound (roughly speaking, they have not yet been able to ensure a long uncontrolled flight of a rocket whose characteristics are inferior to the Russian "Dagger" controlled by the operator in flight)

    It is surprising that instead of Mach 10, the Americans did not write that, for example, their plane would fly, for example, at a speed of Mach 100.

    All this is reminiscent of a Soviet joke in which Khrushchev proposes to send Soviet cosmonauts to the Sun after the Americans fly to the moon. And to the objection of scientists that they say all the cosmonauts will burn there, he orders to fly at night.

    Hyperloop, blown away! Like the American PKO Bold Orion, like the Lockheed GTD-21A. Like AGM-183.
  41. 0
    28 August 2022 17: 00
    Quote: Proctologist
    I did not understand, Iraq was weakened by the war with Iran, or vice versa, did it have an army with real combat experience? The defeat of the Iraqis is not at all due to outdated equipment.

    I can recall for free the governor of the Shah of Khiva - who knocked down his shah in 1918 and put on all his tsatski and awards of the Republic of Ingushetia, essentially creating a gangster detachment. This is the real prototype of Abdul from the "White Sun of the Desert". By the way: when I was born the real prototype of Pavel Artemyevich Vereshchagin - M.D. Pospelov, was still living in Tashkent.
  42. 0
    28 August 2022 17: 10
    Quote: Terran Ghost
    Quote: Mikhail3
    launched loads at about $30 per kg

    And do not make it difficult to give the source of your statements? And then ... let's just say, even the price of $ 45 per kilogram of payload to low Earth orbit .. is unrealistically cool by today's standards. It's only $450 for a 000 tonne payload to Earth orbit. Both CNSA (China) and NASA (USA) will race to buy such technology if anyone has it.
    In reality, for example, the cost of launching the Falcon Heavy rocket from I. Musk really increased in 2022. From $90 million to $97 million. With a payload of about 60 tons to low Earth orbit. For comparison, the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle has an EMNIP estimated launch cost of $20-30 million. With a payload of about 9 tons to low Earth orbit. Launch vehicle "Proton" - launch price of about 50-60 million dollars. With an EMNIP payload of about 25 tons.
    That is, the price of launching into low Earth orbit for the Falcon Heavy launch vehicle is about $1650, for the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle - $2 (with a launch price of 220 million) - 20 (with a launch price of 3 million), for the Proton launch vehicle - $300 (with a launch price of 30 million) - $2 (with a launch price of 000 million).

    And why don't we comment on the price of the SR-71 flight at $3 million (the initial price of the A-12 flight is $5 million)? And 180 people * hours of those. service and purely angranoe storage + first class lane and 30 special. KS-1100 tankers cut into scrap?
  43. 0
    31 August 2022 19: 01
    and I recognize the sweetheart by the paragraph. I read the first leafed through the article. well, for sure buffoons buffoon
  44. Elf
    +1
    4 October 2022 18: 41
    Quote: t-12
    and the main thing is not said: that hypersound (real) should fly in a dense atmosphere, hiding from radar at a relatively low altitude

    *vicin.gif*

    Can you imagine to what temperatures a hypersonic vehicle will warm up at low altitude? And from how many light years will its infrared glow be visible?
    Damn, it's not like the holidays are coming soon...
  45. 0
    4 November 2022 23: 27
    All this is Wishlist and "Funny Pictures" (there was such a children's illustrated magazine in the USSR). The Americans cannot create a hypersonic missile, what kind of aircraft do they need ??? Storytellers)))
  46. 0
    21 November 2022 13: 46
    I am not an aviator and I have a strongman at the level of a stoker (in the literal sense, I am a heat power engineer). But for the whole concept, I have a question:
    the author himself writes that the speed of 5M is destructive for "conventional structures".
    So this is how to drop a free-falling bomb from such a device?
    Let's say they figured out how to make the bomb bay doors so that they would not tear off at the moment of opening and the whole system withstood the blow from the sharply increased air resistance. But how can a "regular" bomb withstand a speed of more than 5M? What will prevent it from collapsing, perhaps with an explosion? After all, as soon as she left the bomb bay, her speed will drop and very sharply, but not immediately. How will she endure a few minutes/seconds at speeds of 5M or more. But in order to catch up with our missiles, you need not 5, but all 20M?
    And finally, the same Americans have already stated that they will be able to shoot down our missiles on a collision course in the near future. What will stop us? Moreover, GDP opaquely stated that we are working on defense against hypersound.
    1. 0
      April 17 2023 22: 56
      Well, I'm not an aeronautical engineer. But I remember that at the Sukhoi T-4, the Kh-45 missiles were supposed to be suspended in an aerodynamic shadow. The same was said about AGBO (according to NATO class) / KKO BLA BOR. One of the scientists said that they checked when blowing through the LRE: they glued the Pravda \\ "Trud" newspaper to the top of the apparatus and blew it. The newspaper did not burn. And you can push the BC out of the inside of AB. It's not a problem. But the fact that you need to cool the AB compartment or warm it in winter is already a crap. Yes, and target control and targeting with a bomb or rocket without braking is also crap.