T-62MV: the same "grandfather", but with dynamic protection

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Source: vitalykuzmin.net

The T-62MV is another tank from the sixty-two model range, which is used during a special military operation in Ukraine. Unlike its counterparts in the face of the T-62M, this machine does not have additional armor, but is equipped with hinged dynamic protection, which provides increased resistance to cumulative ammunition. In this material, we, without affecting the tactics of using tanks in SVO, let's consider how the security of the T-62MV has changed compared to the T-62M.

Additional booking T-62M


As you know, the Soviet military industry was distinguished by the scale of production and often was not limited to hundreds of units of this or that military equipment produced. This is especially true for tanks, where the score sometimes crossed into tens of thousands. An example is the T-62, which managed to "riveted" more than 19 pieces.



By the beginning of the 80s, this armada, partly distributed to the allies and storage bases, continued to be on the balance sheet of military units, which seriously worried the highest military ranks. On the one hand, the tank is really good and it is too early to write it off - it is quite suitable for operation in non-priority areas and in local conflicts. On the other hand, the security and complex of its weapons lagged behind their Western counterparts.

To support the old man, on July 25, 1981, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR decided to bring the firepower and protection of the T-62 and T-55 tanks to the level of the early T-64 and T-72. In the course of the modernization work, the T-62 received a guided weapon system, a laser rangefinder, a ballistic computer, napalm protection, an improved engine, chassis, and more. But the main thing for us is protection.

In addition to the anti-cumulative side screens and mine protection in the form of 20-mm steel sheets on the bottom, which the tanks received, the main improvement was the additional armor blocks installed on top of the main frontal armor of the hull and turret. We wrote about how they work here.

Tank T-62M. Source: vitalykuzmin.net

Additional armor of the upper frontal part of the hull consisted of a box assembled from steel sheets 30 mm thick. Inside it, at a distance of 30 mm, there were thinner steel sheets, the thickness of which was 5 mm. The space between them was filled with polyurethane - a quasi-liquid substance, which in its normal state was quite solid, and at the moment of high-speed impact of the cumulative jet began to behave like a liquid.

Armor blocks on the front of the tower had a similar design in the form of a V-shaped steel casting (in lateral section), behind which were the same thin sheets filled with polyurethane. Among the people, these elements were nicknamed "Ilyich's Eyebrows", because they resembled Brezhnev's thick eyebrows.

The newly minted protection turned out to be quite heavy, and we are not talking about durability indicators. If the T-62 in the basic version weighed no more than 37,5 tons, then the modernization with additional armor blocks, bottom protection, screens and other things increased its weight to 41,5 tons.

The composition of the applied armor of the T-62M tank hull. Source: btvt.narod.ru
The composition of the applied armor of the T-62M tank hull. Source: btvt.narod.ru

Well, it was a retribution for the increase in protective characteristics. They really increased against sub-caliber and cumulative shells. Thus, the maximum equivalent from HEAT weapons was 450 mm, and from sub-caliber shells - up to 350–380 mm. At the same time, the "naked" armor of the tank could not actually contain any of these ammunition with a penetration of more than 200 mm.

The growth was obvious. It was with such protection that the T-62, which received the letter "M", was put into service in 1983.

T-62MV with reactive armor


It is noteworthy that in the same year with the adoption of the T-62M tank, the hinged dynamic protection "Contact" (Contact-1) passed state tests, which in two years will become an obligatory attribute of newly produced tanks. From the beginning of 1985, tanks equipped with it began to be put into service and went into mass production. Among them was the T-62, which later became known as the T-62MV.

Being modernized at tank repair plants, these tanks received all the main innovations of the T-62M, but with the exception of armor. Mine protection and side screens, of course, were preserved, but additional protection blocks for the forehead of the turret and hull were no longer installed. Their place was taken by dynamic protection "Contact", also installed on the sides of the hull.

T-62MV turret equipped with dynamic protection. Source: vitalykuzmin.net
T-62MV turret equipped with dynamic protection. Source: vitalykuzmin.net

Structurally, the "Contact" block consisted of a rectangular steel cover and missile steel plates inside, equipped with an explosive. In a simplified form, it worked like this: a cumulative projectile hit the cover and detonated. The resulting cumulative jet penetrated inside the block and initiated the detonation of the explosives installed inside, which caused a harmful effect on itself, both explosive energy and the flight of the thrown plates.

The composition of the block of dynamic protection. Source: zen.yandex.ru
The composition of the block of dynamic protection. Source: zen.yandex.ru

Since the cumulative jet does not have its own strength, and it can literally cut through any object that crosses its axis at high speed, the impact of the dynamic protection unit on this "fragile nature" turned out to be very serious. In practice, this meant that the lion's share of the head elements of the jet dissipated under impact, which seriously affected the mode of its penetration into the armor. Hence the high indicators of the "Contact" protection, which, depending on the power of the shaped charge, the type of funnel and its material, reach half the penetration of the attacking ammunition.

What happened there in practice with this explosive novelty?

As we already know, the "naked" armor of the T-62 is made exclusively of solid steel. The reduced thickness of the upper frontal part of the hull, taking into account the slope, was 200 mm. On the tower, the thickness of the steel casting was about 211 mm, although there are slight discrepancies from source to source. In this situation, the tank, already in the 70s, could not hold back the impact of virtually any cumulative projectile.

Dynamic protection "Contact" (according to open data) gave a huge increase in resistance to 400-450 mm of steel equivalent against cumulative monoblock missiles and grenades. In combination with the main armor, the overall protection of the tank's forehead increased to 600–650 mm. Such an obstacle was a hard nut to crack for a considerable part of the ammunition of this type in the 80s.

Source: zab.ru

For artillery cumulative shells, the situation was somewhat different. The fact is that such shells have a large mass, thick walls and a decent flight speed. The combination of these factors leads to the fact that the ammunition, hitting the cover of the dynamic protection unit, breaks it and thereby reduces the width of the maneuver of the thrown plates.

Hence the lower resistance - up to 250 mm (according to open data from the Research Institute of Steel). Together with the main armor, the equivalent against the cumulative "artillery" was up to 450 mm - not the same as with rockets and grenades, but the 105-mm NATO guns in this regard became useless against the T-62MV.

Conclusions


If we consider exclusively the anti-cumulative component of the protection of the T-62M and T-62MV tanks, then the dynamic protection installed on the latter provides an overwhelming advantage. In this regard, the overhead combined T-62M blocks were its surrogate: together with steel armor they gave a smaller equivalent - up to 450 mm - and weighed disproportionately more. If the combat weight of the T-62MV with "Contact" did not exceed 38,5 tons, then the T-62M - 41,5 tons.

At the same time, of course, there were also disadvantages to the rejection of the very “Ilyich Eyebrows”: the T-62MV lost its protection from feathered sub-caliber shells. "Contact" did not work against them, so the tank could rely solely on the main 200-mm armor, although the steel structures of dynamic protection still gave a certain amount of millimeters, but this amount was negligible.

However, for local conflicts, this machine was much more suitable than the T-62M. Considering that within the framework of some kind of anti-partisan operation, where the chance of meeting with an enemy tank is minimal, it is precisely the cumulative means of destruction - rockets and grenades - that come to the fore. Under these conditions, dynamic protection looks much more profitable.

Nevertheless, the modernization of the "sixty-two" to the level of "M" and "MV", despite the differences in their characteristics, generally solved the problem of extending their military service in the Soviet army. Both machines gained an advantage over their Western counterparts in the face of the Chieftains, Leopards-1 and M60 and could be used in non-priority areas, despite the mass production of the T-64/72/80.

Now on the T-62 in the NWO zone.

One may wonder already within the framework of current events why the T-62M overhead protective blocks are not crossed with dynamic protection. The answer to it is quite simple: even if technically it can be combined, then what to do with operational reliability? The car is already heavily overweight, so adding another ton in the form of "Contact" is expected to lead to bad consequences. However, products from handicraftsmen from the zone of the special military operation will clearly see the light in the near future, and this is quite natural - life is more expensive than any equipment.

T-62, which has undergone modernization according to the variant from the Transmash design bureau. Source: warfiles.ru
T-62, which has undergone modernization according to the variant from the Transmash design bureau. Source: warfiles.ru

In this regard, the modernization of the T-62 from Omsk Transmash, presented in the late 90s, looks much more attractive. Within its framework, the most shelled part of the tank - the tower - was equipped with dynamic protection "Contact-5", which increased resistance not only from cumulative, but also sub-caliber shells. The corps was covered by the already traditional "Contact". But whether it will come to the use of these machines in the NWO, one can only guess.
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  1. +15
    25 August 2022 04: 32
    I was always surprised by the gaps between the blocks dz. Is it possible that everyone sees this except for the const
    What does this repeat from year to year. I’ll give an example. In our production, a locksmith turned something on a machine. Wearing glasses from a well-known company 3M. Safety precautions and all that. and glass. The guy lost his sight in one eye. Of course, he was found guilty. He didn’t wear glasses like that correctly (or he had to wear others), so why am I. And there are THREE in the tank. Which at any moment can "catch" in these holes a gift in the form of a bird or an RPG ... isn't it a pity for them! ???
    1. +9
      25 August 2022 06: 32
      And in the tank there are THREE. Which at any moment can "catch" a gift in the form of a bird or an RPG into these holes ... isn't it a pity for them!???

      There are four in the T-62 family vehicles.
      Seriously, our tanks need KAZ to creak in their teeth! Can't we start producing old Drozdov and Aren?
      1. +3
        25 August 2022 07: 25
        However, products from handicraftsmen from the zone of the special military operation will clearly see the light in the near future, and this is quite natural - life is more expensive than any equipment.

        There are already examples, and all tank models are being "tuned".
        1. +10
          25 August 2022 11: 33
          Quote: Civil
          moreover, all models of tanks are "tuned".

          T-62MV with contact-1 and with a crew from the Krasnodar Territory and unique handmade side screens in the NVO zone.


          1. +5
            25 August 2022 12: 31
            Quote: Magic Archer
            Always surprised by the gap between the blocks dz.
            Regarding the gaps, there is such an explanation: having got between the blocks, the cumulative ammunition breaks its funnel and does not work properly. Same principle as the grid.
            And if a kinetic projectile hits, then there is no difference that it hit the box with DZ, that between them, the result is the same.
          2. +5
            25 August 2022 13: 18
            From the Krasnodar Territory there is only a mechanic driver. And this is a tank assigned to the 11th regiment of the DPR, not the Russian army. So the stuffing failed, come up with something else
            1. +3
              25 August 2022 14: 28
              Quote: Sergey_tactics
              seconded to the 11th regiment of the DPR, not the Russian army.

              Tuapse and Onega are also from the DPR? T-62 with Brezhnev's eyebrows in the NVO zone.



              1. +12
                26 August 2022 04: 30
                Why are you sending me these photos? Tomorrow I will go from my Kaliningrad to fight as a volunteer in the Donbass, for example, as a gunner and write "Kaliningrad" on the tank. And what does that mean? And my driver may be an Armenian from Yerevan. And the commander is a Ukrainian from Gorlovka. So what? And then some dumbass in Russia at VO will start making a clown out of himself "Kaliningrad is written, so this is the Russian army." It is very reminiscent of the story of how the same crazy people, seeing a British chevron on an army jacket, joyfully shouted "look, the British are fighting for Ukraine!" And the fact that half of the airsoft players in Russia run in the same jackets with the same chevrons doesn’t suit them
                And yet, as part of our guards brigade, I was in both Chechen. And there, most often they wrote on the equipment of the security forces, all sorts of riot police. VV too, but less often. And in the army combat units this almost never happened. And this is with that mess. Therefore, even now, the Novorossians can write anything, but in the Russian HF you will be pulled to the very tomatoes for such art and you will run with a jar to the repair shop, paint over your tuapse
              2. 0
                24 October 2022 11: 06
                It’s a pity that it’s not MV, because the main threats are shaped charges. It will not help against tandem ones, but all old RPGs, ATGMs and 105mm HEAT rounds are completely ineffective.
      2. -5
        25 August 2022 09: 25
        And why shouldn't they go into battle against them ..
      3. -1
        25 August 2022 11: 20
        There are four in the T-62 family vehicles.
        Seriously, our tanks need KAZ to creak in their teeth! Can't we start producing old Drozdov and Aren?

        What is the KAZ if the T-62 is fighting with us? Regarding Drozdov and Aren, their release could be arranged if the component manufacturing plants on which they were assembled would remain intact, and not lie in ruins after the 90s and 00s
        1. +6
          25 August 2022 11: 54
          It is necessary to send to the front line of the effective owners who killed the factories ... to storm skyscrapers with cuttings from shovels a la .. "Private Barin"
          1. -5
            25 August 2022 13: 21
            Again, the storytellers drove up with fables "we only fight with sapper shovels" belay do you have a new issue with an updated manual?
      4. 0
        25 August 2022 13: 48
        Do we want? We do not produce a lot of things that are not at all horror as high-tech.
      5. 0
        24 October 2022 10: 54
        Existing KAZ cannot work effectively with infantry. Therefore, it is optimal to install KAZ only on super-tanks such as Armata, T-90M and BMPT, which can operate in some isolation from the infantry.
    2. +1
      25 August 2022 07: 26
      In contact-5, after all, the issue is solved simply by changing the shape of the case from rectangular to trapezoidal.
      1. +5
        25 August 2022 12: 36
        Quote: Amin_Vivec
        In contact-5, after all, the issue is solved simply by changing the shape of the case from rectangular to trapezoidal.

        T-80BWM
    3. +6
      25 August 2022 07: 42
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I was always surprised by the gaps between the blocks dz. Is it possible that everyone sees this except for the const
      guides!?

      Of course, everyone is smart, and the designer is boobies laughing
      In reality, this is how it works. We designed a block depending on a bunch of all sorts of factors ... After that, we drew how these blocks would "sit" on the tank. Then we calculated the probability of hitting the block and the probability of hitting between them. And if the ratio of these quantities is greater than the optimal, then you can put ... Mathematics! People's lives are expressed in probabilistic quantities, sadly. But no other way...
      1. kig
        0
        31 August 2022 21: 58
        Quote: Momotomba
        Mathematics

        When photos of the Armata appeared, I was surprised by a pronounced niche on the tower to the left of the cannon. He asked in many places what it could be, why it is, and what would happen if a projectile flies there. No one responded, complete disregard. It is understandable - nothing is really known about armata, and in general it is more and more like a myth. Well, a niche ... apparently, mathematics
        1. 0
          1 September 2022 07: 20
          There is something there, obviously covered with armored curtains ... Some kind of sight or radar, or something like that. And if a projectile, even a 30-mm one, flies into this place, then the armored curtain will scatter, and the device unknown behind it will break ... soldier report finished
          1. kig
            0
            1 September 2022 08: 11
            Quote: Momotomba
            report finished

            Received! At ease!
    4. -1
      25 August 2022 08: 40
      Just think a little about what force the projectile creates, directly during contact with an obstacle, and you will understand the stupidity of your words about "gaps".
    5. 0
      25 August 2022 11: 31
      You look at foreign options. Where the angles of inclination of the hinged armor create a convenient angle for rebounding, and sometimes because of the size and just to get into this gap.
      The total area and the percentage of damage thereof are calculated, and then it is already "tuned".
      From close range, you can get anywhere and protection will not save, but this is already a question for tactics, not constructors.
    6. 0
      26 August 2022 15: 32
      Magic Archer. You are right to be nervous. These are galoshes in an armored version.
  2. +9
    25 August 2022 04: 40
    Still, the tank is a very successful invention. For more than a hundred years it has been one of the main types of weapons. The T-62, as well as other machines developed in the USSR, can even now perform tasks, after modernization, of course. I bow to our Soviet designers. Well, and modern - keep the brand.
  3. +8
    25 August 2022 04: 42
    The article is great! Author plus! I'm talking about something else, you can grab the pros / cons as much as you want. We (forum users) know about this (what can I say). VO for US (thinking and exists).
  4. -33
    25 August 2022 04: 53
    Eduard, and with whom can he now fight on equal terms with his 115mm cracker? There is no M60 and Leopard 1, and T64 will burn these fossils on tracks in batches at any distance! I am silent about the more modern T72, here the T62 has a chance to win minimal, at the level of statistical error. And then we are talking about several upgrades, because the T62 mainly has a 105mm caliber gun, but here everything is generally very sad.
    1. +24
      25 August 2022 05: 42
      The T62 has no 105mm cannon.
      Yes, and there are actually no tank duels in Ukraine. But the assault on Khrushchev is every day. And if you correctly use this tank, then the efficiency is wonderful. Just right for a careful attack
    2. +13
      25 August 2022 05: 50
      There, tanks almost never fight tanks. You can simply not climb into tank disassembly. And against the infantry - everything is fine. Now, in addition to security, throttle response becomes the most important characteristic. Especially in reverse.
    3. +10
      25 August 2022 06: 28
      And then we are talking about several upgrades, because the T62 mainly has a 105mm caliber gun, but here everything is generally very sad.

      You probably mistyped. The caliber of the T-62 gun is 115mm.
    4. +15
      25 August 2022 07: 07
      What 105? There is 115. An excellent cannon. Maybe the T72 can be soaked nearby. About pillboxes, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, everything is clear. Mine protection is better than that of the T72.
      So behind the assault tanks, it’s quite a necessary thing. A gun is a gun. Any.
      1. +6
        25 August 2022 10: 51
        A familiar Afghan tanker said that he had shells with grapeshot in his ammunition load. What more modern tanks do not have. In my opinion, Abrams also has such a projectile in the ammunition load.
        1. +10
          25 August 2022 11: 03
          Probably, your friend meant the following, the cap is removed from the fuse, the crane switches to position Z, the fire is fired with a ricochet. Thus, the effect of buckshot is created. Alas, they do not teach this now.
    5. -1
      25 August 2022 10: 57
      In fairness, he has a 115 mm smoothbore gun, which was born from a 100 mm rifled one.
      1. +5
        25 August 2022 12: 26
        Quote from AdAstra
        In fairness, he has a 115 mm smoothbore gun, which was born from a 100 mm rifled one.

        A little wrong.
        The progenitor of the 115mm tank gun was the smoothbore 100mm anti-tank gun. The caliber was increased due to the need to reduce the length of the projectile due to the limited space under the turret.
        The 125mm gun was already received in order to increase the power of the ammunition.
        By the way, smooth-bore towed rapiers remain in service with the army.
        However, given the modern tactics of using the T-62, it might be better to have it in the T-62A modification with a 100mm rifled gun.
        Tank duels do not shine for us yet, but the ability to accurately close up a window or an abrasion near a rifled gun is higher. If I'm not mistaken, a 100mm gun can fire up to 15km. At 115mm, the range of aimed fire is much lower.
        1. -2
          25 August 2022 13: 27
          So I kind of read from Baratyansky that it was made from a 100 mm rifled anti-tank towed one, and it became 115 due to the fact that the rifling was cut off request
        2. +2
          25 August 2022 14: 29
          I have to be honest, the origin of the U-5TS is controversial. I also read, and on several sites, that the 115mm smooth gun comes from a 100mm rifled one. According to other sources, the U5-TS was born from a 100 mm 2A19 smoothbore gun. Can you give me some information or some links???? thank you.
          1. +4
            25 August 2022 16: 43
            In a nutshell, I can retell what I read about. I did not save the originals.
            At one time, Khrushchev was shown the MT-12 (2A29) "Rapier" gun (100mm) and was told that its projectile had one and a half times more kinetic energy than rifled guns of similar caliber. They set fire to put this gun on the tank. But putting a "Rapier" on a tank with its enormous unitar length is not realistic. Then they took a tank 100 mm caliber gun that stood on the T-54 (T-55) and on its base, cutting off the rifling and got a smoothbore gun (115mm), which was installed on the T-62 (the world's first tank with a smoothbore gun).
            1. 0
              26 August 2022 12: 42
              Exactly the same thing I read. good
    6. +3
      25 August 2022 11: 35
      Guns can be upgraded if desired. "Rheinmetall" at one time reworked (by order) the old 105-mm and in terms of performance characteristics they approached 120-mm.
      The resource and new shells are already the "third".
      1. -1
        25 August 2022 14: 36
        However, this was a version of the 105 mm smoothbore gun. In the past, Rheinmetall has worked on two RH 105-20 and RH 105-30 smoothbore guns with a 51 caliber barrel, the first of which had a muzzle brake that reduces the load when firing by a third. Two versions were offered with either a standard 8,7 L chamber or a 9,6-1 L chamber, the latter being an improved version of the product.
        1. 0
          25 August 2022 14: 46
          115 - it is possible to squander and there will be a smoothbore.
          You can change the liner and there will be a smoothbore and everything can be caught up to 120 mm, but with restrictions.
          1. +2
            25 August 2022 16: 47
            Quote: Deadush
            Can you change the liner...
            And on what guns, besides ship ones, is there a liner?
            1. 0
              26 August 2022 00: 11
              you noticed all that, the previous commentator did not notice that the 115-mm gun was initially smooth-bore and there was nothing to bore there.
        2. 0
          26 August 2022 13: 27
          I'm sorry, but I must have mixed up the identification codes for the 105mm smoothbore gun. Many sites, including Topwar, list the ones I posted. Ha, I have my doubts. On other sites they are listed as lighter versions with a rifled barrel for light tanks.
          1. 0
            26 August 2022 13: 42
            From an old RheinMetal presentation
            "" "The introduction of smoothbore technology in the range of 105 mm allows you to increase firepower through the use of new high-performance service ammunition.
            By using advanced weapon steel for the barrel and breech systems, the gas pressure level compared to traditional 105mm guns can be increased up to 600MPa. Designed to the latest engineering standards and measuring 5350mm (L51) in length, the cold-worked chrome-plated barrel is durable.
            The ammunition data was also very general, which is understandable considering it was a project under development.
            a) 105mm KE, initial speed ~1700m/s,
            Indenter: Rheinmetall Tungsten IV alloy (as 120mm DM53), "revised geometry" (compared to previous 105mm generations), "superior" terminal ballistics.
            Clog: aluminum.
            Case: fuel.
            Propellant: double base with surface coating
            Primer: DM142 family
            b) 105 mm high explosive
            It has "the same basic design as the 120 mm HE round... The use of the same fuze is now ensured." It can use an adapted 120 mm HE engine. I remember it was a studio gun for the M1128 Mobile Gun System. Then nothing was done.
  5. +6
    25 August 2022 05: 51
    Good article. The first time so detailed about the modernization of 62ki.
  6. +6
    25 August 2022 06: 58
    Thanks to the author. Well done simply.
  7. +4
    25 August 2022 07: 17
    I do not seek to categorically dispute the respected author, but in my reference book the thickness of the forehead of the T-62 turret is 242 mm (but given the strong trim (maybe differentiation? recourse ), then perhaps a little to the right / left and will lead to the indicated 211 mm). Also indicated. that the VLD of the T-6MV was nevertheless amplified by the armor "patching" with a tank mass of 40 tons (although, again, the number of protection options tended to be "mulien", so it was possible this way and that). it is also necessary to take into account the reinforced mine protection of the bottom of the front of the hull.
    1. +5
      25 August 2022 13: 20
      There is information that towers with a forehead of +240 mm appeared in the latest series of vehicles, but the bulk of them came with towers of the thickness that I indicated in the text. Well, with slight discrepancies of a couple of mm.
      As for 40 tons - you are probably confusing with "D".
      1. 0
        25 August 2022 13: 44
        But tomorrow I will go to a city apartment and look into my favorite reference book, although it is not the last resort, but I trust him. Maybe I don’t remember something, I haven’t taken it in my hands for a long time.
      2. 0
        25 August 2022 15: 06
        About 240 mm, perhaps you are right hi
  8. +2
    25 August 2022 08: 03
    T-62 with a relic.
    1. +17
      25 August 2022 08: 29
      This is T55. Judging by the rollers and the cannon.
      1. +11
        25 August 2022 08: 37
        I clarified that this is the T-55M5 at the VIII International Exhibition "VTTV-Omsk-2009". thanks for the comment drinks
      2. +3
        25 August 2022 14: 59
        Quote: Sorrow
        This is T55. Judging by the rollers and the cannon.

        Yes, but not all the signs ... Here with the same rollers and the T-54B gun

        The main and most true difference between the T-54 tanks and the T-55 is the presence of a "fungus" FVU (filter-ventilation unit) on the roof of the tower in front of the loader's hatch, here it is clearly visible
        1. +2
          25 August 2022 16: 58
          Quote: svp67
          The main and most true difference between the T-54 tanks and the T-55 is the presence of a "fungus" FVU (filter-ventilation unit) on the roof of the tower in front of the loading hatch ...
          T-54
        2. +1
          25 August 2022 20: 56
          I agree, the main difference is anti-nuclear protection. I meant that not T 62)). 54 and 55 are now written through a dash, like essentially one car.
    2. +5
      25 August 2022 11: 19
      Quote: Hoarfrost
      T-62 with a relic.

      T-55 and it would be nice to have "boxes" on the stern of the tower and side screens from the "Relikt"
      1. 0
        25 August 2022 14: 21
        Are T-55 tanks still in stock?????
        1. +6
          25 August 2022 14: 48
          Quote: Decimalegio
          Are T-55 tanks still in stock?????

          Judging by the pictures from the Far East, yes ...
          1. 0
            25 August 2022 14: 52
            Thanks, this is my favorite tank. But I hope not to see him in Ukraine. hi
            1. +3
              25 August 2022 15: 10
              Quote: Decimalegio
              But I hope not to see him in Ukraine.

              You know, they are in Ukraine. Yes, they have been decommissioned, but not all of them have been destroyed or sold at the storage bases, but there are literally a few
              1. 0
                26 August 2022 12: 44
                Thanks for the info. But I was talking about the use in combat. Until now, I have not seen T-55 tanks used in combat operations in Ukraine.
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  9. +1
    25 August 2022 09: 18
    Forgive me, but I don’t understand what these 62 are doing on the battlefield with an enemy equipped with ATGMs, tanks, drones and more. I understand to send the Papuans to Angola to drive. But in a tank power, which is officially! helps the DPR, having received sanctions, it still sends 50-year-old rubbish, in which if everything goes badly, people ready to fight for their country will die. This is a country that has been spending huge amounts of money on defense for 12 years, and every day from the TV screens it said how strong we are.
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 09: 55
      it is not used as a tank, but as an assault weapon in urban areas
      1. 0
        25 August 2022 10: 19
        so use t-72b3! T-90! T-80! Or do we have few of them?
        1. +1
          25 August 2022 10: 25
          few, those who, from conservation, go to replenish the personnel units of the Russian Federation, and these are transferred to the militias and volunteer battalions
        2. 0
          25 August 2022 11: 37
          so use t-72b3! T-90! T-80! Or do we have few of them?

          Well, if they use the T-62 and tell how wonderful this weapon is, then what do you think how many of them are left or not ...
          And so everyone wanted to eat, and the t-72 and t-80 at one time sold not badly, and it was necessary to provide equipment in the ranks with something, they don’t take spare parts out of thin air. And you need money for yourself, well, you can still bring in talking heads so that they explain that the T-62 is nothing, everything is cheaper than producing new ones
        3. -6
          25 August 2022 12: 54
          Quote: Curt
          so use t-72b3! T-90! T-80! Or do we have few of them?

          Yes, they are few. Before the war, our tank fleet was ~ 3300 tanks. Accordingly, now even less. Which is about 2 times less than that of NATO countries or China.
          Only one hull remained in storage from most tanks, and it is not a fact that they are suitable for restoration. In any case, labor costs are approximately equal to the production of a new tank. Liquid tanks from storage were sold and transferred to Syria, Libya, other countries of Africa, Asia and South America.
          Also keep in mind that in storage most of the T-72 and T-72A are worse than the T-62M, the T-72B appeared in 1989, they were riveted relatively little.
          It is necessary to restore the production capacities of the Uralvagonzavod and other plants, if possible. It is necessary to order new tanks of the T-72/90 line and heavy armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles based on them.
          1. +6
            25 August 2022 14: 00
            that is, after the rearmament program for the army and navy, which took 12 years and more than 20 trillion (only officially) rubles, it suddenly turns out that Russia, the successor to the USSR, has no tanks. I have repeatedly heard why we have such a fleet, that there are problems with aviation, yes. But about tanks - constant enthusiastic exclamations - yes, we have tanks in the warehouses, chew on the booty, pictures were attached, we will defeat everyone. Unclear.
            But it's all as important as the lives of our people. Are we saving iron? What is more important, man or machine? It takes at least 18 years to give birth, raise, teach a person. And you need 4 such people for a tank. How much does it take to produce a tank? a week? And besides, as I wrote above - people who WANT and CAN fight.
            And yes, if they started this business in 2014, I would still understand the suddenness, urgency of everything. We were given 8 years to prepare, everyone understood everything, money was allocated. And then hop and how snow fell in winter unexpectedly!
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  10. -7
    25 August 2022 09: 23
    "On the other hand, the security and complex of its weapons lagged behind their Western counterparts in the face of the Chieftains, Leopards-1 and M60." Is the author right on the subject? If it’s something else with the Chieftain, then with the rest it’s sooooooo completely by .. Yes .. al .. you can read more just for the sake of pictures ..
    1. +3
      25 August 2022 12: 38
      Quote: zombirusrev
      "On the other hand, the security and complex of its weapons lagged behind their Western counterparts in the face of the Chieftains, Leopards-1 and M60." Is the author right on the subject? If it’s something else with the Chieftain, then with the rest it’s sooooooo completely by .. Yes .. al .. you can read more just for the sake of pictures ..

      Alas, I don’t remember about the M60, but the Leopard-1 has exactly cardboard armor. Only the Frenchman AMX-30 is inferior to him.
      1. +1
        26 August 2022 13: 02
        The M60 has a 152 mm turret front
  11. +6
    25 August 2022 11: 18
    DZ "Relic", that's what now quickly and efficiently, and most importantly, without a strong overweight, you can solve the problem with the modernization of the T-62
  12. -2
    25 August 2022 13: 24
    The way out is simple, up to 62 is absolutely not protected against modern cumulative ammunition, they almost all have a tandem warhead.
    Again it turns out that Russia is not ready for war. Instead of an armada of t90s equipped with an active protection complex, they tell us that the t-62 is still hoo.
    I would like to ask the author of this post, but would he like to go into battle in the T-62 now?
  13. 0
    25 August 2022 13: 25
    Quote from hellcat2000
    Yes, they are few. Before the war, our tank fleet was ~ 3300 tanks.

    Maybe then you shouldn't have started your own? Or do it in some other way? For example, crush the enemy from the air?
    1. -1
      27 August 2022 08: 14
      With "air" it's even worse than with tanks.
  14. +1
    25 August 2022 14: 18
    But I saw a modernized version of the T 2022 at the Army-62, am I wrong ????
  15. 0
    25 August 2022 14: 21
    Quote: Sergey_tactics
    Again, storytellers drove up with fables "we only fight with sapper shovels" do you have a new issue there with an updated manual?

    I support furiously. I don’t need any armats-T-62 that’s it.
    1. -2
      27 August 2022 08: 16
      You forgot about kitchen knives - they can also kill. Why spend on these expensive T-62s: let each of the houses bring a knife and go on the attack.
  16. +2
    25 August 2022 14: 23
    Quote: certero
    Maybe then you shouldn't have started your own? Or do it in some other way? For example, crush the enemy from the air?

    War is an economic act, first of all, respectively, the result depends on the state of the productive forces of the warring countries or coalitions.
  17. -4
    25 August 2022 14: 36
    Dynamic armor on him or not, but this, however, does not negate the fact that he is still Grandfather.
  18. +1
    25 August 2022 17: 19
    There are statistics on the defeat of different models of tanks in the NWO ?! aren't institutions working on problems to minimize damage to tanks and crew? These conclusions will be displayed in a new technique, which will be a different level of protection!
  19. +4
    25 August 2022 18: 25
    But whether it will come to the use of these machines in the NWO, one can only guess.
    And you open Telegram, and you will see that they were found on the southern flank of the operation, in the subdivision of the Cossack brigade "Don". bully
  20. +2
    25 August 2022 19: 32
    But they didn’t try to cross the T-62M and T-62MV, taking the best.
    Let's say, install Contact-5 on the additional armor of the T-62M tank and a new V-92 diesel engine with a reinforced chassis, I'm sure the security will increase dramatically and the large mass of the tank is not scary, it's not for him to perform in a stupid biathlon, besides, we have under 80 tons tanks run and fight.
    1. -1
      25 August 2022 21: 19
      where did you see tanks under 80 tons?
      1. +3
        25 August 2022 21: 31
        We, in Israel, in the IDF, where there are Merkava-3,4 tanks that weigh 80 tons in full body kit.
        1. -1
          27 August 2022 16: 29
          We, in Israel, in the IDF, where there are Merkava-3,4 tanks that weigh 80 tons in full body kit.
          And where, besides Israel, can they be applied?
          1. -2
            27 August 2022 18: 17
            Wherever there is land.
            1. 0
              27 August 2022 19: 43
              Will he get there himself, with all his tons? It is somewhat reminiscent of the German tank "Mouse". However, to drive the Palestinians, probably, can, but no more.
              1. -1
                27 August 2022 19: 55
                There is no such tank, there is a tank-mobile fort to strengthen the gaps in the defense, this is its task, and its name is Maus (Mouse) and it weighs 188 tons. There is no word in German for a mouse, there is a small mouse, kleine Maus, so for reference .
                1. 0
                  27 August 2022 20: 04
                  They figured out the gloomy German genius, but how will the Merkava leave the territory of Israel? After all, no way.
  21. -1
    26 August 2022 08: 33
    Something began to be written a lot about 62.
    Maybe stocks of 72x are running out? Or do they want to work out a resource that it is useless to stand in storage?
  22. +1
    26 August 2022 18: 29
    Stop fighting on the T-62. It is necessary to produce new equipment, because. there will be many conflicts in the near future. In addition, it supports the industry. The T-90 needs to be put on stream with modern modifications, it is better than all previous models in any way. But we are led diligent where not needed. Therefore, by the end of the century, if the country has not yet fallen, we will fight on the T-62/72. Fortunately, they produced a lot during the union.
  23. 0
    27 August 2022 09: 03
    Well, what can I say. On the one hand, everyone who is in the subject understands that the T-62 on the battlefield is now actually replacing the BMP-3. And if we compare it with the BMP-3, and not the T-72 or T-90 as it is mistakenly compared, then it is better protected than the BMP-3 and is better suited for its current tasks. But on the other hand, everyone who is in the subject is well aware that only those naive who are prone to jingoistic patriotism can be reassured by this. Those who are more realistic understand that the appearance of such equipment on the battlefield means that Russia cannot provide itself with modern weapons. And the saddest thing is that opponents see it best of all from behind the hillock. It is they who are already writing that Russia is not capable of conducting large-scale operations. And most likely they will make Russia pay for this weakness. Maybe it will be economic concessions, maybe strategic in Africa or Nagorno-Karabakh. Or maybe everything could be much worse, especially since the SVO is not yet finished and there is no end in sight.
  24. 0
    27 August 2022 16: 27
    Good article. Respect to the author.
  25. 0
    27 August 2022 17: 52
    in the pictures not "protection", but "boxes" for protection ...
    it remains to be hoped that they will be given this "protection" (plast) before going to the front line ...
  26. 0
    29 August 2022 12: 39
    Quote: Curt
    what are these 62 doing on the battlefield

    More modern tanks stand against NATO in anticipation of a war with Poland.
    1. 0
      8 November 2022 04: 58
      And now we pretend that we have stupid generals and inadequate leadership. To surprise everyone.
  27. 0
    29 August 2022 12: 42
    In 41 there were T26 and BT7. I would like to see people screaming "stop fighting on T26, give us T34"
    1. +1
      31 August 2022 11: 55
      Bt-7 is a wonderful light tank, at one time perhaps the best in the world, the German T-1 dump before it, like the moon. His reputation was ruined by the mediocre command of the first months of the war, as well as the reputation of the excellent light self-propelled gun Su-76. T-26 yes, an outdated piece of useless garbage
  28. 0
    8 November 2022 04: 54
    I hope no one in the comments suggested using the T-62 with dz blocks as an infantry fighting vehicle.
    "All the same, everyone rides on armor!"
    Riders, their mother.
    My friend was mobilized as a driver ... T-62, 69th year of release.
    "We drive for 5 minutes, half an hour under the tank."
    All in all, it's a hell of a thing.
  29. 0
    11 November 2022 14: 39
    And in the era of stagnation, they had no idea that the T62 could be upgraded forever. Tank-building schools, factories worked, people spent money, but it could have been done much easier.
    To save a yacht for Leonid Ilyich, or some kind of palace.