Military Review

Our troops encircled several enemy detachments in the central part of Maryinka

80

Reports are being confirmed that Ukrainian troops have lost control over several more blocks of the city of Marinka, west of Donetsk, over the past day. Recall that Maryinka is a key point in the south of the fortified defense line of the armed forces of Ukraine. We are talking about the Avdeevka-Peski-Krasnogorovka-Maryinka line, with which Ukrainian militants literally terrorized the population of the capital of the DPR and its suburbs for years.


After our troops broke through the enemy defense line in the central part of this fortified area and after the complete liberation of the village of Peski, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had significant problems with holding positions on both sides (north and south) of Peski.

In Maryinka, Ukrainian militants lost control over the entire eastern and partly over the central part of the city. According to the latest information, Russian troops and units of the Republican People's Militia approached the district administration from several directions, taking control of most of Druzhba Avenue. There are fights going on.

Our troops encircled several enemy detachments in the central part of Maryinka


Under these conditions, having suffered losses and not being able to regroup on the front line, the enemy retreats to the western part of the city. At the same time, our troops are doing everything so that the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remaining in Marinka is cut into at least two parts, without the ability to communicate with each other. Partially, this has already happened. One part of the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned out to be north-west of Druzhby Avenue - beyond the Osokovaya River. The other part is south of Kashtanovaya Street. This is the largest enemy force in the city. The rest are actually deprived of communication with them and cut off in the center of Maryinka. At the moment, they are being systematically eliminated. The assault groups took the remnants of the enemy grouping in the central part of the city into a ring, which reduces the chances of connecting with other militants (located in the western part of Maryinka) to a minimum.

According to rough estimates, our troops currently control at least three-quarters of the territory of this city.
80 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Machito
    Machito 23 August 2022 14: 22
    +15
    Boil dill in a cauldron. am
    The only pity is that the bowler hat is small.
    1. Maz
      Maz 23 August 2022 14: 45
      +54
      Good luck guys, and no loss. We pray for you! My wife and I sent all the fee for the last book to the purchase of equipment in Russia for our soldiers in the group. "WAGNER". They need birds, scopes, thermal cameras, rangefinder binoculars, and even clothes. I can’t say it myself yet, so let my Israeli money fight for the Fatherland. Nothing, autumn is coming, we'll figure it out on the spot, in the homeland. When the money was sent, local banks tried to prevent us, but their greed, greed and love for the dough prevented this ban. Vivat Russia!
  2. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 August 2022 14: 23
    -54
    Have you noticed that for the entire time of the NWO, Russian troops have never taken a single group into the cauldron? Mariupol does not count. Or "brains are powdering us", or our commanders are "mummers".
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 23 August 2022 14: 28
      +27
      Why doesn’t Mariupol count? And the boilers in Gorsky Zolotoy, Lisichansk were quickly liberated due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine fled under the threat of the boiler. Stanitsa Novoluganskaya, a thermal power plant in the LPR.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 23 August 2022 15: 50
        +3
        In fact, only Mariupol. The rest of them left.
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 52
          +9
          Quote: Kronos
          In fact, only Mariupol. The rest of them left.


          Did they themselves leave, were they forced to leave so as not to end up in a cauldron like in Mariupol? wink
        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 23 August 2022 17: 56
          +4
          Kronos
          The rest of them left.

          So they will leave. It is a pity that they did not burn the Nazis. They will reform and continue to fight.
          1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 23 August 2022 14: 38
      +21
      Quote: steel maker
      Have you noticed that for the entire time of the NWO, Russian troops have never taken a single group into the cauldron? Mariupol does not count. Or "brains are powdering us", or our commanders are "mummers".

      There are different concepts of tactical warfare. One of them is to leave a loophole to give the enemy an opportunity to slip away. Thus, the goal is achieved without unnecessary battles and loss of one's own l / s. Whether this is a good tactic or not - there may be different opinions ... but it has been a textbook and rightfully exists since ancient times.
      Therefore, what is the goal is important. If the goal is to kill everyone, then yes, it's stupid to leave them a loophole. If the goal is to squeeze out of the settlement, then such tactics are quite acceptable.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 August 2022 18: 35
        -2
        Quote: Peter_Koldunov
        There are different concepts of tactical warfare. One of them is to leave a loophole to give the enemy an opportunity to slip away. Thus, the goal is achieved without unnecessary battles and loss of one's own l / s. Whether this is a good tactic or not - there may be different opinions ... but it has been a textbook and rightfully exists since ancient times.
        Therefore, what is the goal is important. If the goal is to kill everyone, then yes, it's stupid to leave them a loophole. If the goal is to squeeze out of the settlement, then such tactics are quite acceptable.

        Everything you wrote is correct. Losses for attackers in urban areas are much higher than in the field, in addition, these are significant losses among the remaining civilian population and the destruction of almost the entire infrastructure, and therefore the organization of a full-fledged urban boiler for the Russian Armed Forces is not a priority, since we are not mattresses that Mosul and Rakka was turned into a lunar landscape, regardless of the loss of civilians. hi
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 23 August 2022 21: 17
          -2
          Maybe right. But where about the heavy losses of the attackers in urban areas? If the attackers have an advantage in technology and better supplies, it is even more difficult to hold out in the city than outside the city. The attacker is covered by buildings and can throw shells and grenades into buildings without leaving the defenders a chance to resist. These are all conventions, depending on many circumstances, the main thing is to block the enemy’s ability to transfer reinforcements and bring ammunition. Progress is slower in the city, that's true.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 23 August 2022 21: 59
            0
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            But where about the heavy losses of the attackers in urban areas?
            They have been preparing there for 8 years and they know the cities and their communications like the back of their hand, and therefore, for those who attack any building, there is a rebus. these shrews could connect the buildings with underground passages, mine them in order to blow them up remotely when the assault groups enter there, prepare caches with weapons and ammunition, so as not to carry too much and move lightly from position to position, and a lot of everything and the most lousy, use residents as a human shield, which we cannot but reckon with, and where the work of a tank suggests itself, we have to be careful what these banderlogs use.
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. The comment was deleted.
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 23 August 2022 22: 56
                    +6
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    Yes, you are a schoolboy along the way, or an airsoft player. Say I'm wrong.
                    Wrong. The schoolboy is almost 60 years old, and I prefer airsoft hunting. I can’t understand one thing, do you want to prove to me that it’s easier to take fortified and prepared high-rise buildings in the city than to leave the banderlogs the opportunity to leave the city in the field and work on them with artillery, aviation and MLRS? In which scenario will there be more losses? I repeat once again, ours do not act like mattresses and do not hit the entire building indiscriminately, because of the peace remaining there. If they acted like that, they would have been in Kyiv long ago.
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                2. The comment was deleted.
            2. The comment was deleted.
              1. The comment was deleted.
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
            3. aglet
              aglet 24 August 2022 10: 22
              -2
              "They have been preparing there for 8 years and know the cities and their communications like the back of their hand"
              do not need these mantras, about 8 years. what kind of communications can be in the town, 9 thousand people (Marinka)?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 24 August 2022 10: 42
                0
                Quote: aglet
                "They have been preparing there for 8 years and know the cities and their communications like the back of their hand"
                do not need these mantras, about 8 years. what kind of communications can be in the town, 9 thousand people (Marinka)?

                If you go back to the beginning of the discussion, then there is no mention of Marinka specifically. What can you say about the same Mariupol? In general, we are talking about battles in urban areas and what is better, blocking the enemy in the city and knocking him out of every building, or leaving him a corridor from the city and destroying him in an "open field".
                P / S- However, my colleague "akselbant" I finished this controversy and do not intend to continue, because in the morning I received a warning from the moderator in view of the fact that my opponent tore a piece out of my comment and filed a complaint. See traces of "shootout"? (comments removed above) Now it's like that, there is no way to throw a grenade, they throw a complaint and the target is hit. yes
                1. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 12: 56
                  -3
                  "If you go back to the beginning of the discussion, then there is no mention of Maryinka specifically. What can you say about the same Mariupol?"
                  From the very beginning, I was talking about marinka. in Mariupol, I can say that there were no specially built fortifications. just ykry used the technological communications of the plant. this showed an autopsy, after several months of tryndeli about 22 underground floors, NATO generals and other nonsense. when they take Marinka, they will also look for a concrete fortification of 22 floors for a long time, and they will find, at best, a dozen concrete sheds, silt cellars, which some here are so afraid of
                2. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 18: 44
                  -1
                  "Now it's like that, there is no way to throw a grenade, they throw a complaint and the target is hit"
                  totally agree with you. instead of throwing a grenade, a spit in the back
      2. steelmaker
        steelmaker 24 August 2022 11: 20
        -4
        -46
        Kids!! Where did you buy education? In what alleyway? Are you so excited because of a simple statement of facts! How many posts justifying mediocrity. Taking enemy troops into the cauldron is the height of military art !!! Where did you serve? What dump? These are elementary things!
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 24 August 2022 11: 52
          +1
          Quote: steel maker
          Kids!! Where did you buy education? In what alleyway? Are you so excited because of a simple statement of facts! How many posts justifying mediocrity. Taking enemy troops into the cauldron is the height of military art !!!
          This is probably why even "super-artificial" mattresses did not completely block Mosul and made it possible for the bearded to go through its northern part in order to destroy them in the field. New Year's assault on Grozny from Pasha Mercedes, remember how many people he killed and how many of our tanks were burned there when he drove them into urban areas where there were more grenade launchers than a dog of fleas. During the first 4 days of the assault from December 31 to January 3, the losses on the part of the federals amounted to 500 people killed. Well, well, you closed them in the city, then what? Then the fairies will put them to sleep with magic wands, or will the infantry fight off each house?
          Quote: steel maker
          Where did you serve? What dump?

          This question is more for you.
        2. Petr_Koldunov
          Petr_Koldunov 24 August 2022 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: steel maker
          -46
          Kids!! Where did you buy education? In what alleyway? Are you so excited because of a simple statement of facts! How many posts justifying mediocrity. Taking enemy troops into the cauldron is the height of military art !!! Where did you serve? What dump? These are elementary things!

          Well, personally, I am in the gateway of the LSSSHM (received a special police rank) and then in the gateway of the St. Petersburg university (received higher).
          He served in the following "heaps": both in the Moscow Red Banner (special police regiment) and in the Leningrad Red Banner (Glavk on Liteiny) ... Two special missions to the Karabakh conflict. I understand a little in the environments - there they surrounded and dissected it happened for 70 thousand people ...
          Police tactics are slightly different from military ones ... but the essence is very similar. The boiler in the police is the same environment. To do this, a special group is created - a cordon group (and then groups of dispersal, stripping, filtering and packing detainees are connected to it). As you can see, almost everything is the same as in the military cauldron.
          BUT! All this is created and used - if the crowd needs to be eliminated. Then it is surrounded, dissected and driven through filtration points, released or packed into a funnel.
          If the crowd needs to be simply squeezed out from somewhere, then it is simply squeezed out! NOT SURROUNDING! And this is not mediocrity or the failure of the operation - but the type of tactics that the operational authorities choose, depending on the goals set by the leadership and the logic in each specific operation.
          Why are you so piously sure that squeezing dill out of their fortifications is mediocrity - I honestly don’t understand. The tactics are fine. gives fruits. Our units are dying, we occupy settlements. Albeit slowly.
          Yes ... for the "children" - a special thank you. At almost 60 it's nice to feel like a "child" :)))
          1. steelmaker
            steelmaker 24 August 2022 22: 44
            -2
            "Police tactics, slightly different from the military .."
            No need .. to compare with a finger. If this crowd had weapons, you yourself would be packed. And if they started shooting from this crowd, then you wouldn’t bother with the environment - you would have killed everyone. And God forbid someone would leave with a weapon. You would organize a persecution. So you hang your fruits on the ears of others. We have been standing still for 6 months, Donetsk is shelled every day. Nuclear power plants are already being shelled, they have completely lost their fear. So don't brag about your higher education. I saw such people, they don’t know how to hold a “shovel”, but they boast of their diplomas!
            1. Petr_Koldunov
              Petr_Koldunov 25 August 2022 00: 36
              +1
              Quote: steel maker
              No need .. to compare with a finger. If this crowd had weapons, you yourself would be packed.

              You, you see, only master the material on the Internet. And you also know about the capabilities of the police only from your own abstract ideas about its work :))
              There were different crowds in the Karabakh conflict. In Yerevan, say, the crowd usually had only stones and sticks. And in Sumgayit, there were real weapons (both cold and hot) and Molotov cocktails (then they, however, were not called that). They also cleared these crowds, where to go? And there have been losses, there is no getting away from them either. The Omsk battalion, for example, was ambushed on foot from Baku to Sumgait, there were losses ... but that's not the point.
              I cited police tactics as an example only as a special case of the situational expediency of squeezing tactics (which you call mediocrity, knowing nothing about it).
              Education was lacking. You asked where did you study? I replied. You asked - where did you serve? I replied. All at your request. Do you want to ask about the shovel? I'll answer too, fig. It's a pity or something ... But again, only at your request. Where is the boast? Then don't ask. And then you get some sort of split :))
              1. steelmaker
                steelmaker 25 August 2022 07: 53
                -3
                "You asked - where did you study? I answered."
                I do not just, almost constantly, point to education. And I have nothing against you, soldiers, of the army. I want to ask those who have been fighting like this for half a year and the end of this war is not in sight. They complain to the UN. They would have complained to Sportloto! The tactic is not the destruction of the enemy, but the squeezing, this is a filthy practice! Syria has shown this, and Ukraine too. And if you think that you can stay a saint in a war, then you need to go to a monastery. It is the duty of the authorities to think in order to avoid a war, and when the war is already underway, one must think how to destroy the enemy, and not how to squeeze him out. You have to be honest to the end! Moreover, you have passed the hot spots. And for a better understanding, watch the film "Liberation-Breakthrough" there it is precisely the commanders of the Second World War who decide how they will break through the defense of the Nazis. And then compare with SVO. YouTube, with this mediocrity of ours, is overwhelmed.
                1. Alexander_Schlidt
                  Alexander_Schlidt 26 August 2022 16: 24
                  0
                  Quote: steel maker
                  "You asked - where did you study? I answered."
                  I do not just, almost constantly, point to education. And I have nothing against you, soldiers, of the army. I want to ask those who have been fighting like this for half a year and the end of this war is not in sight. They complain to the UN. They would have complained to Sportloto! The tactic is not the destruction of the enemy, but the squeezing, this is a filthy practice! Syria has shown this, and Ukraine too. And if you think that you can stay a saint in a war, then you need to go to a monastery. It is the duty of the authorities to think in order to avoid a war, and when the war is already underway, one must think how to destroy the enemy, and not how to squeeze him out. You have to be honest to the end! Moreover, you have passed the hot spots. And for a better understanding, watch the film "Liberation-Breakthrough" there it is precisely the commanders of the Second World War who decide how they will break through the defense of the Nazis. And then compare with SVO. YouTube, with this mediocrity of ours, is overwhelmed.

                  Probably many will agree that it is not entirely correct to set the creation of cinema as an example. Let it even be such a masterpiece. In addition, the theater of operations and the involvement of the warring parties are not comparable. The strategic operations of the Red Army to liberate the Ukrainian SSR provided for the participation of 3 million l / s.
                  Quote: steel maker
                  I want to ask those who have been fighting like this for half a year and the end of this war is not in sight. Complain to the UN.

                  Since 2008, I think very competent people have been sitting in the highest echelons. I think they know what they are doing. Quote Comrade. Stalin: "This is right strategically, but not right politically!" To some extent, this makes sense in protracting the conflict and the slow advance of our troops. Also, no boilers.
      3. The comment was deleted.
    3. Alexander Razin
      Alexander Razin 23 August 2022 14: 40
      +7
      Lisichansk and Severodonetsk also do not count? There were a couple - three thousand prisoners
    4. Petrik66
      Petrik66 23 August 2022 15: 23
      +4
      Finally, at least one person told the truth. We have one gun in three, the commanders are all illiterate, the tanks are junk from warehouses, from the time of Damansky, the planes are sitting on the ground, because they are afraid of the Ukrainian air defense and the falcon of Kyiv, soon the Americans will bring 1000 chemras and Zelensky will go on a tank to Red Square.
      1. aglet
        aglet 24 August 2022 12: 59
        -2
        "and Zelensky will go in a tank to Red Square"
        are you waiting for this? Have you prepared a down tape, yellow-blakytnaya? Have you cleaned the front pan?
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 24 August 2022 13: 24
          0
          Apparently, your service in the infantry was not in vain. with humor complete crap. It happens that you are our harsh.
          1. aglet
            aglet 24 August 2022 18: 46
            -3
            "your service in the infantry was not in vain"
            service, not even in the infantry, rarely passes larom. but you don't know about it
            1. Petrik66
              Petrik66 24 August 2022 20: 15
              0
              ))))) judging by the pathos, you still received a corporal for demobilization.
              1. aglet
                aglet 25 August 2022 09: 28
                -2
                "Judging by the pathos, you still received a corporal for demobilization."
                and you are probably a reserve general? after culinary school?
          2. saigon
            saigon 25 August 2022 18: 35
            0
            Well, I'm from the infantry, so what?
            What the hell makes you think that service in the infantry kills a sense of humor? The comrade is just worried, his business, probably nerves. For me, let the gunners then cover themselves with a dash from the right, one at a time for a machine gun.
    5. Ermak_Timofeich
      Ermak_Timofeich 23 August 2022 16: 08
      0
      Have you noticed...

      Oh sure. Only as a result of the good old Soviet education do we still remember the words of M.I. Kutuzova: “The main thing is not to take a fortress, but to win a war” and “Everything comes on time for those who know how to wait.”
      1. steelmaker
        steelmaker 24 August 2022 11: 48
        -3
        ""Everything comes in time for the one who knows how to wait."
        You are just like the Chinese, who are always waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float by!
        1812 June 24 the beginning of the war. November 29-December 14, the final defeat of Napoleon's troops. It's already been 6 months of SVO, and how long will you wait for victory, with your "Soviet education"? Until the nuclear apocalypse happens?
        1. Ermak_Timofeich
          Ermak_Timofeich 24 August 2022 14: 59
          0
          You are just like the Chinese

          It seems to be written in Russian in white - M.I. Kutuzov. Or is he Chinese for you?
          1812 June 24 the beginning of the war. November 29 - December 14, the final defeat of Napoleon's troops

          According to the report of M.I. Kutuzov to the tsar. Only here you can not do without an addition - in Russia. Only there was a period that went down in history as a "foreign campaign" and lasted until 1814, at the end of which Russian troops began to return to Russia. Simply put, the company of 1812 was won, and the war, which ended with the capture of Paris and the abdication of Napoleon, only in 1814. Diplomatic, regarding Prussia and Poland, lasted until 1815, and ended with the decisions of the Vienna Congress, which were valid until the First World War. Such are the costs of Soviet education.
          wait for victory

          Victory awaits only those who have read, and most likely those who have heard out of the corner of their ears, militant victims of the education reform about the existence of Sun Tzu's "Art of War". Normal people win.
    6. Okakakiev
      Okakakiev 23 August 2022 19: 58
      -1
      And you don't need to. The ratio of casualties is from 1d5 to 1d30 in our favor.
    7. kill the fascist
      kill the fascist 24 August 2022 08: 01
      -3
      Your commanders are Zelya, Arrestovich, Zaluzhny, etc., like mummers.
  3. Two
    Two 23 August 2022 14: 26
    +11
    hi "We are talking about the Avdeevka-Peski-Krasnogorovka-Maryinka line, with which for years Ukrainian militants literally terrorized the population of the capital of the DPR and its suburbs."

    Here there would be no need to take prisoners "locksmiths, bakers and other musicians"! It is necessary to bring them down wholesale and retail! am
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 23 August 2022 14: 34
      +5
      The main thing is to fill up Avdiivka. Fighting is only in the industrial zone of Avdiivka so far.
      Map.
      https://t.me/s/rybar
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 23 August 2022 14: 28
    -27
    No matter how they took us there in pincers from two sides. We climbed into the center, when the outskirts and most importantly, the waste heap, behind the vushniks. The situation in Maryinka can be interpreted in different ways, from different angles. Even the sweet-voiced Basurin for some reason is silent with his "actually", practically", "almost" ...
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 01
      +3
      There are no vushniks on the terrikon for a long time.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 23 August 2022 15: 23
        -7
        There are no vushniks on the terrikon for a long time.

        On the map from Podolyaki there is. Your move, I ask for proof.
        1. neworange88
          neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 30
          -1
          Maybe an old map.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 23 August 2022 15: 41
            -8
            Maybe an old map.

            Maybe let's get fresh. Where such confidence? Where does such faith in what propagandists write come from?
            1. Sergey74
              Sergey74 24 August 2022 16: 32
              0
              https://rutube.ru/video/240bbaed7bdb945255341de776d9ac59/
              Map from Podolyaki 21.08.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX Our waste heap. We are finishing up.
        2. Grits
          Grits 23 August 2022 16: 41
          +1
          Quote: Konnick
          On the map from Podolyaki there is. Your move, I ask for proof.

          Look at the map above. There, the waste heap is shown in a completely different place - not like in Podolyaki
  5. Leshak
    Leshak 23 August 2022 14: 28
    +4
    We are talking about the Avdeevka-Peski-Krasnogorovka-Maryinka line, with which Ukrainian militants literally terrorized the population of the capital of the DPR and its suburbs for years.

    I think the Nazis, on this line, should be treated according to "merits", as terrorists.
  6. Carib
    Carib 23 August 2022 14: 32
    +3
    Quote: steel maker
    Have you noticed that for the entire time of the NWO, Russian troops have never taken a single group into the cauldron? Mariupol does not count. Or "brains are powdering us", or our commanders are "mummers".

    It's just easier and safer to shoot those fleeing from the cauldron than to storm concrete fortresses in dungeons and quarters. Or leave in the rear along with large surrounding troops when the enemy has the initiative, you wait on the left, he climbs out on the right and at night ... Work brothers, we believe in you.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 23 August 2022 14: 54
      -14
      easier and safer than storming concrete fortresses

      Please, I want to see these fortresses. Of course, not in reality, I'm already old in the trenches, but video or photo. So far, apart from rural cellars and ditches, nothing has been shown.
      1. neworange88
        neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 03
        +3
        Azovstal in Mariupol, Azot in Severodonetsk, aren't these fortresses? Donbass is one large urbanized industrial area.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 23 August 2022 15: 10
          -10
          Donbass is one large urbanized industrial zone.

          Well, what kind of industrial zone is Maryinka, this is a suburban village with private gardens and three five-story buildings, which the DPR people have not been able to vacate for six months now. Yes, and the current promotion was provided by parts of the RF Armed Forces.
          1. neworange88
            neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 22
            0
            Yes, and the current promotion was provided by parts of the RF Armed Forces.


            Well, let the units of the RF Armed Forces continue to provide promotion. Release faster.
        2. aglet
          aglet 24 August 2022 10: 26
          -1
          "Azovstal in Mariupol, Azot in Severodonetsk, aren't these fortresses?"
          No, they are factories. there were no fortifications either there or there
      2. Uprun
        Uprun 23 August 2022 16: 00
        -1
        It depends on what is considered a "fortress" ...., for some, Brest is just a barracks, for others, the "Mnerheim" line is a trench with communication passages ... but a two-story apartment building can be impregnable ....
      3. Arkadich
        Arkadich 23 August 2022 16: 14
        -1
        In your understanding, a fortress is a battlement with turrets, like in knightly films?
        So that's how you deigned to write ditches - these are trenches in full profile, which allow you to fire, move behind the scenes, as well as cover from shelling. In a good trench, only a direct hit is scary. Cellars with embrasures, with overlapping sectors of fire, are now worse than concrete pillboxes of the Second World War.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 23 August 2022 16: 21
          -6
          trenches in full profile, which allow both firing, moving behind the scenes, as well as shelters from shelling. In a good trench, only a direct hit is scary. Cellars with embrasures, with overlapping sectors of fire, are now worse than concrete pillboxes of the Second World War

          I want to see here what kind of full profile in Marinka. I have already heard enough of a picture or video, words and insults. Maybe enough to ride on the ears, one picture is better than a thousand words. Or are you another minus-talker?
          1. Arkadich
            Arkadich 23 August 2022 17: 26
            0
            Do you want a photo? Apparently you know how to knock on the clave, then do not engage in demagoguery, but type "photos of the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", if you want a video, then write VIDEO in the query string.
            Here is 10 sec. search. https://www.russiapost.su/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/10-1536x989.jpeg
            https://ryazan.life/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/14/obstrly2-scaled.jpg
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 23 August 2022 17: 47
              -5
              I didn’t see it from afar, I didn’t see it.
              1. Arkadich
                Arkadich 23 August 2022 19: 43
                0
                It's clear. Didn't see. Did not want. Third irresistible forces interfered. Do you happen to work for the OSCE, my friend? The same demagogy pulls.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 10: 34
                  -1
                  "Understood. I didn't see it. I didn't want to. Third irresistible forces interfered"
                  I didn't see it because they don't exist. I also tried to find a photo, it didn’t work, and I’m definitely not from the OSCE. if something similar to a real urepraion was discovered, all our TV channels would salivate for a week
            2. steelmaker
              steelmaker 24 August 2022 12: 02
              -3
              "Would you like a photo?"
              Well, what prevents our "generals" from taking such "fortresses" into the cauldron? 6 months CBO is not too much?
              1. Arkadich
                Arkadich 24 August 2022 16: 56
                +1
                The order to minimize losses interferes. To organize a cauldron, rapid breakthroughs are needed, coverage from the flanks, which entails an increase in losses, and this is how a fire rink goes, mowing down the enemy, without the ability to answer him with something.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 18: 27
                  -1
                  "The order to minimize losses interferes."
                  did you personally read this order? or again blah blah?
                  and losses are minimal in the case of a fast and powerful assault, or encirclement, and not, as it is now, in the case of a slow squeezing out of the enemy
        2. aglet
          aglet 24 August 2022 10: 30
          0
          "So that's how you deigned to write the ditches are the trenches in full profile"
          Well? mortars, guns, aviation, hail. Or are we only fighting with slingshots? then yes, any cellar is verden, you need to take it for half a year, as in marinka, avdiivka, and then everywhere
          1. Arkadich
            Arkadich 24 August 2022 11: 12
            0
            Did you serve? I don’t even ask about the war.
            Yes. An equipped cellar is a bulwark, and if the approaches to it are "held" by other bulwarks, and the messages connected by passages, this is a fortress. Before it can be "opened" it must be discovered, i.e. cause fire. You won't shoot every cellar. Add here that the projectile must be placed precisely, and not nearby. Remember how in WWII guns were rolled out for direct fire.
            A trained trio of a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a sniper in the field can hold up to a platoon, and in the city it is many times worse.
            1. aglet
              aglet 24 August 2022 12: 41
              -1
              "Did you serve? I don't even ask about the war"
              served, venerable, served, and even in the infantry. and how to defend and take such fortifications, I know, at least from the bu, from the exercises in which I had to participate, from weekly tactical exercises. True, it was in the Soviet army, but I have a good memory
              "Yes. An equipped cellar is a support"
              Do you even know what a cellar is?
              "approaches to it are" held "by other oporniks, moreover, connected by communication moves, this is a fortress"
              it's just ridiculous - the cellars in the village, located as God puts it on the soul, you call it a fortress? yes, you can see that you are very far from the army
              "You won't shoot every cellar. Add here that the shell must be laid exactly,"
              and why, if he is a "fortress"? the cellar can fill up any hit, cannon, mortar, grenade launcher, grenade, you just need to hit. here's a big problem with getting there
              "A trained trio of a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a sniper in the field can keep up to a platoon"
              and if you add a battery of guns and a platoon of tanks, then the division will be held. so what ? hitting a dozen mines, of any caliber, will carefully hang them on the wires. oh yeah, gotta get there request
              1. Arkadich
                Arkadich 24 August 2022 16: 51
                +1
                Experience of the Soviet army? Remember the tactics of 1812.
                If this is how they build it in your area, I take off my hat and sympathize.
                Once again I will repeat about a bunch of shells. Before you eliminate the opornik, you need to get into it, and earlier identify it. They are not marked with flags and on the map.
                I’ll add, as far as I remember, the specialists will correct it, during the exercises the target was hit when it hit a 10 by 10 square, which, as practice shows, is not enough, despite the fact that not all are excellent students.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 17: 48
                  -1
                  "The experience of the Soviet army? Remember the tactics of 1812"
                  and why is the experience of the Soviet army bad? at least the Europeans of that time were trampled to Berlin. and the tactics of 1812 led to the defeat of Napoleon, and again, the then European
                  "I will repeat once again about a bunch of shells."
                  once again I will send you to the next branch
                  "Before you eliminate the opornik, you need to hit it"
                  I tell you again that getting there is a big problem,
                  "and earlier to reveal."
                  we have so many types of reconnaissance - use it, I don’t want to. some UAVs are worth something. but in general, the cellar, which you stubbornly call a supporter, is visible through binoculars, if
                  1. Arkadich
                    Arkadich 24 August 2022 20: 37
                    +2
                    We have a conversation between the blind and the deaf.
                    Did I say about the experience that it is bad? It is outdated for the most part. Each new war brings changes.
                    I don’t even want to write about big losses during rapid breakthroughs, too much. It's better for you to talk with a regular military man. As an example, not entirely correct, February, March are our rapid throws and, accordingly, losses.
                    About the duties of reconnaissance, under the birch there should be a boletus, but there is none. What they can reveal, you can’t see everything from UAVs, we don’t fight with fools, they also know how to disguise themselves and shoot down. If just like that you see all the oporniks in the village, then either you are a phenomenon, or it is a “linden”, or it is abandoned, in extreme cases, a spare.
                    At the expense of the order, most likely I got excited, if you are talking about documenting, but work with the command staff to minimize losses has definitely been carried out.
                    The difficulty of hitting firing points - I just wrote to you about this.
                    This concludes the dialogue. Hope it was helpful for both of us.
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 25 August 2022 09: 25
                      -2
                      "The difficulty of hitting firing points - I just wrote to you about this"
                      it was just I wrote to you that the biggest difficulty for our art is to hit the target. and how you misunderstand the means and capabilities of intelligence
                2. aglet
                  aglet 24 August 2022 17: 53
                  -1
                  "They are not flagged and not marked on the map."
                  and why? if there is intelligence, it is obliged to identify them and mark them on the map, unless, of course, this cellar poses at least some kind of danger. Well, if there is no intelligence, then who is to blame for you? storm the cellar in the forehead, incur losses, lose time
      4. Kaufman
        Kaufman 24 August 2022 08: 38
        +4
        Marinka, it is only 14 square km in area. Like the territory of an average plant. We can talk about some kind of success when a dozen of such Marinok will be liberated
  7. The comment was deleted.
  8. Konnick
    Konnick 23 August 2022 15: 01
    -8
    At the same time, our troops are doing everything so that the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remaining in Marinka is cut into at least two parts, without the ability to communicate with each other. Partially, this has already happened. One part of the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned out to be north-west of Druzhby Avenue - beyond the Osokovaya River. The other part is south of Kashtanovaya Street.

    One picture is better than a thousand words. Completely confused. Those. the entire western part for the APU? And cut by the river? Who wrote it is possible to draw lines. Since, to the north of Kashtanovaya Street, the Osokovaya River, i.e. north-west of Maryinka beyond Druzhby Avenue.
    1. aglet
      aglet 24 August 2022 12: 49
      -1
      "One picture is better than a thousand words. Completely confused."
      this is the purpose of this letter - so that people who believe everything in a word understand that marinka is about like Stalingrad, in size, and not a town, with 9 thousand people and the corresponding area
  9. Konnick
    Konnick 23 August 2022 15: 17
    -3
    RIA Novosti confirms with reference to the headquarters of the Territorial Defense of the DPR. Quote:

    "DONETSK, August 23 - RIA Novosti. Two civilians were killed during the shelling of Donetsk by Ukrainian troops, the headquarters of the territorial defense of the Donetsk People's Republic reported in the Telegram channel.
    "During the shelling of the VFU (armed formations of Ukraine. - Ed.) from positions in Orlovka in the Voroshilovsky district of the city, residential buildings and cars were smashed along the street 50 years of the USSR, on Nurmagomedov square, Chelyuskintsev street, Dzerzhinsky avenue, street A man born in 1971 died in his car on Chelyuskintsev St. A man born in 2004 died on Dzerzhinsky Avenue," the report says.

    Where was it shot from? Not from Maryinka? Dzerzhinsky Avenue is closer to Marinka than to Avdiivka or Orlovka. The boy was 18 years old ... For another six months they will be candying there, taking "reinforced concrete" fortresses? Didn't they come up with anything smarter in their defense? When will aviation be involved? There is artillery defense there, there are no machine gunners and submachine gunners, and therefore they cannot take, there is no one to take there. Today in Maryinka everyone will again be covered with artillery fire and there will be stupid losses due to the fact that the counter-battery fight failed. Let's minus and throw the right slogans ...

    They rushed through Pushilin's window.
    1. neworange88
      neworange88 23 August 2022 15: 25
      +6
      From your quote
      During the shelling of the VFU (armed formations of Ukraine. - Approx. ed.) from positions in Orlovka


      Orlovka is located northwest of Avdiivka. Here is a map. https://t.me/rybar/37615
  10. Tagan
    Tagan 23 August 2022 15: 44
    -7
    Quote: steel maker
    Have you noticed that for the entire time of the NWO, Russian troops have never taken a single group into the cauldron? Mariupol does not count. Or "brains are powdering us", or our commanders are "mummers".

    Maybe you didn’t pay attention to boilers before and decided to give us this “observation” of yours as a fact?))
  11. Roust
    Roust 24 August 2022 08: 59
    +1
    Take no prisoners! Those who want to live sit in their huts or go to their beloved west.
  12. The comment was deleted.
    1. Sergey74
      Sergey74 24 August 2022 16: 34
      -1
      You can get up off the couch and volunteer. With your conceit about everything, I think victory will immediately come much closer.
  13. Sergey74
    Sergey74 24 August 2022 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Konnick
    On the map from Podolyaki there is. Your move, I ask for proof.


    Here is a map from Podolyaki 21.08.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX our waste heap.
    https://rutube.ru/video/240bbaed7bdb945255341de776d9ac59/
  14. Olegpetrofka
    Olegpetrofka 24 August 2022 17: 35
    +1
    A week ago, Chepushilin announced on Solovyov’s program about the capture of Maryinka and who is he after that? (Although there were a lot of such statements on his part)
  15. zenion
    zenion 25 August 2022 14: 47
    -1
    How many of our troops were there and how many other troops were taken prisoner? Forever, or for a treaty? They keep everything so secret that they themselves get confused later. This is the Enigma.