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Israel found a portable anti-aircraft guns at Hamas

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Israel found a portable anti-aircraft guns at Hamas

At the disposal of the Palestinian extremists from the Hamas group appeared portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS). This was reported in the command of the army of Israel.

Last week, an Israeli ground-to-air missile was launched from Gaza, which passed the target. According to Radio Liberty, this is a SA7 (Strela) type rocket or a similar one capable of shooting down airplanes and helicopters. The presence of MANPADS in the hands of Hamas raises legitimate concerns in Israel: missiles of this kind can also be used against civilian airliners.

According to the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, the army first encountered the use of Hamas portable anti-aircraft missile systems. Last summer, in August, such a rocket was launched on an Israeli helicopter during a terrorist attack near the Egyptian border, but it was done by terrorists who came from Egypt - from the Sinai Peninsula.

It should also be noted that today sources in the Palestinian Islamic Jihad declared that a large-scale “revenge operation” was being prepared for the Israelis for the death of one of the leaders of the Salafist Mujahideen in the Gaza Strip, Hisham al-Saedni, liquidated by the Israeli military. Palestinian militants, together with the Egyptian Salafis, intend to abduct the Israelis who are resting in Sinai, and at the same time attack the frontier posts, using, among other things, mined cars.

This information largely coincides with warnings about impending terrorist attacks, which were published on the eve of the Israeli and Palestinian media. It was noted that the terrorists can strike at the end of mourning, 72 hours after the death of al-Saedni.

Recall 1 Israeli Air Force destroyed Hisham al-Saedni 13 October. Israel calls these air strikes a response to the ongoing shelling from the Gaza Strip of its territory.
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  1. mongoose
    mongoose 17 October 2012 11: 30
    +9
    well, let them thank the group of "friends of Libya" laughing
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 17 October 2012 13: 03
      0
      They took it off the tongue! And then it turns out that MANPADS are not "Strela", but "Stinger" ...
      1. VAF
        VAF 17 October 2012 17: 02
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        And then it turns out that MANPADS are not "Strela", but "Stinger" ...


        I hope that the "qualifications" of the person participating in the discussions on the Military Review website will be enough to distinguish Stinger from Arrow? wink

        Or did I just make a mistake with the address and the site became .... the next ha ha show ????

        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 18 October 2012 12: 47
          0
          Alas, we were not mistaken. 80%, if not more, of comments on this site just fit your definition. A kind of mixture of wounded national pride, uryai-patriotic hatred and arrogant contempt for everything "foreign" with a minimum of professionalism and knowledge of the subject under discussion. And in this mixture, like in a swamp, really professional opinions often drown and are lost.
      2. crazyrom
        crazyrom 17 October 2012 21: 34
        -2
        Great news, especially if it really turns out to be a stinger. It’s a pity that this missile didn’t hit. It would be necessary to pour more of our "Needles" to them, but more! From old memory, how the Americans handed out stingers to Afghans.
  2. Dinver
    Dinver 17 October 2012 11: 31
    +8
    Not surprisingly, 20 thousand MANPADS missing in Libya should have surfaced somewhere ... yes
    1. small
      small 17 October 2012 11: 34
      +2
      "Friends of Libya" stepped on their own rake.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 October 2012 13: 20
        +1
        Not all "friends of Libya" have shuddered yet. It's only the beginning. am
        1. mikula
          mikula 17 October 2012 19: 37
          0
          Black Colonel - Not all "friends of Libya" have shuddered yet. It's only the beginning.

          Especially when these missiles fall into the hands of Chechen Muslims - so do not rush to rejoice at someone else’s grief.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: Dinver
      20 thousand MANPADS missing in Libya were supposed to float somewhere.

      I think they will soon float in other places, but even if Syria’s warehouses are unloaded, Hamas will become very well-armed. What will the gentlemen say from Israel? The cries did the right thing, that they overthrew the dictator Gaddafi today I think they will not be appropriate laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 17 October 2012 11: 47
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I think in other places they will soon float,

        Hello Sasha. Already in Afghanistan surfaced. No wonder there the Yankees began to lose helicopters and drones.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 12: 20
          +6
          Quote: Mechanic
          Already in Afghanistan surfaced. No wonder there the Yankees began to lose helicopters and drones

          Hi Zhenya, there they are very much needed in the fight against democracy, the only thing I don't like is the number of missing MANPADS. I'll have to change from planes to trains. "Thank you" Geyrope and the United States for overthrowing Gaddafi fool
          1. valton
            valton 17 October 2012 16: 00
            +2
            I liked the expression "gayropa" very much. Straight to the suit. +100.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 17 October 2012 19: 24
        +1
        This has long been known. Firstly, most Israeli aircraft are somehow equipped with security systems - even civilian ones. There are certain difficulties with those flying to Europe - according to some European standards, this is prohibited, but nonetheless.
        There was already shelling of an Israeli civilian aircraft in Kenya a dozen years ago, the pilot managed to get away from a rocket or missiles, and therefore protection systems against MANPADS were introduced.
        Secondly, infa surfaced for a reason - there was a shelling of some kind of aircraft, he successfully escaped missiles with the help of traps.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 17 October 2012 21: 03
          0
          Ah pimpled with grenade launchers, the plane was probably fired at sucked like Belarusian silt 76 2 pieces were so hit arrow 2 was adopted by the Soviet army in 1967 it is not perfect much more dangerous needle
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 17 October 2012 21: 10
            0
            Well no.

            publication time: November 29, 2002, 15:47
            Unidentified terrorists, who fired on an Israeli passenger plane on Thursday during takeoff from Mombasa airport, used Russian portable surface-to-air missile systems (MANPADS) Strela SS-16. This was reported on Friday by EFE with reference to Kenyan radio.

            Recall that on Thursday, two missiles were fired at the Boeing-757 of the Israeli airline Arkia, presumably "surface-to-air", but none of them reached the target.

            The needle, praise Gd, until it was lit. Although with a change of power in Syria, there are chances.
    3. Skiff
      Skiff 17 October 2012 12: 14
      +2
      Well, in Syria there is still a chemical weapon, let the SSHA and Geyropa not be surprised when poison spills from the tap or in the metro you start to sputter your lungs ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 12: 24
        +4
        Quote: Skiff
        let the SSHA and Geyropa not be surprised when poison spills from the tap or in the subway you begin to expectorate your lungs ..

        The prospects for such a development for catalytic Christmas are more than likely; Christmas Eve will be good in Europe belay Guilty think is already appointed-Alkaida laughing
      2. mikula
        mikula 17 October 2012 19: 46
        -1
        Skiff - let the SSHA and Geyropa not be surprised when poison spills from the tap or in the subway you begin to sputter your lungs ...

        But Moscow is safe from this. I remember you have a subway, houses and airports blow up, and what will happen when the next emir of the North Caucasus also buys a couple of tons of mustard gas.
    4. Trailer
      Trailer 17 October 2012 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: Dinver
      20 thousand MANPADS were supposed to float somewhere


      In our case, take off!
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 17 October 2012 11: 33
    +2
    Gaddafi's arsenals are spreading across the region. the Jews are also interesting - applauded the Westerners, supporting them in Libya, and now complain that the enemy has weapons
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 17 October 2012 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      Gaddafi's arsenals are spreading across the region. the Jews are also interesting - applauded the Westerners, supporting them in Libya, and now complain that the enemy has weapons

      To be fair, I want to say: Judging by the comments to the news on their internet - to the West, during the beginning of the NATO operation in Libya, they did not applaud. I cannot remember a single Jewish post in support of actions against Libya (for sure there were such, but common " the background of the "statements was exactly the opposite), but I well remembered the photo of Sarkozy holding his head (posted on one of the sites) and the rather non-forest comments to this photo. They were well aware of what the" democracy "in Libya would lead to.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 17 October 2012 12: 44
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      Gaddafi rsenals spread across the region. Jews are also interesting, applauded the Westerners,

      Official Israel has not commented and does not comment on Libya, Egypt, Tunisia or Syria.
      According to the MANPADS Occasion, they can emerge in the Caucasus, Russia is no less an enemy for extremists than the United States, when they finally leave Afghanistan and Iraq, forces and finances will be thrown into Chechnya and Dagestan, be sure.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 17 October 2012 12: 53
        0
        And again, Jews confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. What is Hamas related to the Caucasus? Whose ally is Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabis fighting in the Caucasus?
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 17 October 2012 14: 28
          0
          Quote: Arkan
          And again, Jews confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. What is Hamas related to the Caucasus? Whose ally is Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabis fighting in the Caucasus?

          And here Hamas, in the same way as these MANPADS fell into the hands of Hamas, they can fall into the Caucasus. If 20 pieces are missing, then I think the price is not high. I don’t need to rejoice at how NATO got along in Libya with arms depots, but fear that the separatists will get these weapons, including in Russia.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 17 October 2012 15: 31
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            And here Hamas

            In the article, we are talking specifically about Hamas, and we are talking about this while NATO pokes its nose out of business - such crap will be CONSTANT (what NATO has been warning about since the times of the USSR).
            Quote: Rumata
            and fear that this weapon will fall to the separatists, including in Russia

            Of course, it is worth fearing, but the cause should not be eliminated, but the reason. For what reason did Libyan arms depots remain without state control?
            Quote: Arkan
            What is Hamas related to the Caucasus? Whose ally is Saudi Arabia and Wahhabis fighting in the Caucasus?

            Can you clearly and clearly answer these questions without an intellectual masturbation?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 17 October 2012 19: 27
          0
          Hamas - well, at least the fact that he now has the same sponsors with these guys, and they are very actively supporting the war in the Caucasus in Gaza.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 17 October 2012 21: 04
            0
            Rockets from Libya will not come around in the Caucasus, they’re easier to rob a warehouse there, and they have new caches, so scare the frightened
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 October 2012 21: 10
              0
              How to know. Maybe so, maybe that way.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 18 October 2012 00: 32
                0
                Ah pimple-eyed they need to drag these missiles to risk how many prodarny prodnyh will cover storage depots weapons and allegedly undermine the fire and all ends in water
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 October 2012 13: 26
        0
        Slandering around Russia is useless. It’s just that duroocrats need to turn on the brain in order to calculate the consequences recourse instead of following Uncle Sam’s lead. Him something poh ..., he does his dirty work.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 13: 59
        +1
        So you say Israel has not commented on Libya, well, so wake up dear -....... Whatever order replaces the current arbitrariness in Libya, nothing worse for Israel than Gaddafi, according to Levi, can not be. ... In conclusion, Levy admits that he supported the revolution in Libya "out of love for law and hatred for tyranny" and his belief that "this ...
        nnm.ru ›NoNaMe› ... izrail_i_arabskaya_vesna What did your official Israel say about other countries?
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 17 October 2012 14: 33
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          So say Israel did not comment on Libya, well, so see the respected

          You dear, would not disgrace, what does Bernard-Henri Levy, a Frenchman, have to do with official Israel? Give me a link to the Prime Minister, President or, for example, the Minister of Foreign Affairs who speak out for or against the operation in Libya, then we'll talk. Or the opinion of any Jew on the planet, is this immediately the official position of Israel?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 14: 45
            0
            Israeli representative to the UN, Ron Prosor, said that the Syrian leadership can use chemical weapons against its own people, and called on the international community to act more actively in relation to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.
            So the respected witness will come, I will not give more links, but immediately throw articles into the comments, so as not to disgrace the respected one, should I still find?
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 17 October 2012 15: 14
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Israeli representative to the UN, Ron Prosor, said that the Syrian leadership can use chemical weapons against its own people, and called on the international community to act more actively in relation to the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

              What kind of circus, then some French Jews, then Ron Prosor, whose job is to pay attention to the Hazbullah in the UN and its connection with Syria, for example, and to make a lot of noise, the ambassador to the UN is a work for the public, he does not solve anything. You started writing about Libya, without googling, you switched to Syria.

              Will Netanyahu call for the removal of Gaddafi, Mubarak or Assad, will be?

              And just as I will see your answer, what does Bernard-Henri Levy have to do with Israel, you quoted it as an argument, it cannot be that you made copy-paste from Google without reading and understanding ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 16: 25
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                the ambassador to the UN is the work for the public,

                And then we fools Russian thought that there decisions are made, well, well.
                Quote: Rumata
                not googling switched to Syria.

                Dear, I'm a little busy, but you yourself can google it and you will find it. You haven’t asked in Syria, you will get ........ Marc Henry | Le figaro
                Israel takes the side of the Syrian rebels
                Israel refuses "neutrality", believing that the fall of Bashar al-Assad's regime will lead, among other things, to the weakening of Iran, writes Le Figaro.

                "I wish victory to the Syrian rebels, whose courage I admire," said President Shimon Peres, confirming Israel's change in position.

                Bashar al-Assad has long been regarded as the least of evils. As the author of the article notes, the two countries are officially at war, but the border in the Golan Heights, conquered and annexed by Israel, has been the calmest for 40 years.

                This turn is officially justified by the "barbarism" of Bashar al-Assad's supporters, the article says. "We are not acting out of opportunistic considerations, but because the bloodshed has reached an unprecedented level," said Yigal Palmer, spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry ......
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 17 October 2012 19: 59
                  +1
                  Dear Alexander. Israel and Assad are bad, and those who will change it. Assad actively supported Hezbollah and Iran and tried to build a nuclear reactor, the current guys are part of a radical Sunni caliphate under construction. Hussein and Gadduffy actively supported terrorists in the region, paid suicides and other terrorists pensions and provided bases - there was no joy from them, agree. From the present - there is also no particular happiness, but at least they do not meddle in the affairs of Israel.
                  Israel stood up for Mubarraq - because she knew very well who would come in his place.
                  And as for the rest - just carefully monitors the situation.

                  That Ron Pros, that Perez are representative figures, people from the real government are mostly silent, occasionally speaking. that it’s time to stop the topic, Assad to remove - but more so, for pro forma. Israel that those that are bad. And there is no less evil there
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 17 October 2012 21: 06
                    -1
                    By the way, Israel created Hapas as a counterweight to Fathu as amers al-Qaeda
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 17 October 2012 21: 11
                      -1
                      Not created. Just not particularly spread rot in the first stage.
                      1. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 18 October 2012 00: 34
                        0
                        Maybe so maybe not
    3. mikula
      mikula 17 October 2012 19: 59
      +1
      andrei332809 - the Jews also applauded the Westerners, supporting them in Libya.

      But this is a pure lie! Neither in Libya nor in Egypt nor in Syria, Israel has applauded anyone. Because we are best aware of the consequences of such revolutions.
  4. yanus
    yanus 17 October 2012 12: 07
    +1
    C'mon, panic caused. MANPADS must be able to use, this is not an RPG.
    They will "screw up" most of the missiles at targets that MANPADS obviously could not hit.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 17 October 2012 12: 15
      +3
      Quote: yanus
      MANPADS must be able to use

      ))) There are a lot of people who want to train them.
    2. starpom
      starpom 17 October 2012 12: 19
      +5
      Quote: yanus
      MANPADS must be able to use

      Nothing complicated, conscripts worked without problems for us
    3. Dinver
      Dinver 17 October 2012 13: 38
      0
      Now I don’t remember where, but I came across photos of the box and all the accessories of the Strela MANPADS, so there is a very high-quality instruction in English, so if you have a dictionary and basic school knowledge, you can master it in an hour, even a student can do it.
      1. Professor
        Professor 17 October 2012 13: 44
        0
        Here is a free guide for you Manual MANPADS 'Strela-2' (NSD-69)
        1. yanus
          yanus 17 October 2012 14: 56
          0
          To be able to read does not mean to understand what you read. Give this instruction to local "commentators" for a couple of weeks - half of them will not be able to answer simple questions.
          Arabs generally in pictures only. But everybody screwed up.
  5. Professor
    Professor 17 October 2012 12: 18
    +2
    Russian serial numbers
    Many of the old rockets (such as SA-7) are no longer usable. Gaddafi bought and stockpiled weapons from the 1970s (when oil prices soared and all the oil supplying countries suddenly had a lot more money to use them). Any of these missiles that are more than 15 years old will most likely not work. Batteries fail in a few years, and after a decade, electronics are no longer reliable. In about fifteen years, the rocket engine is more unreliable, as well as the explosives of the warhead. At this point, SA-7 is more dangerous for those who use it than for any potential purpose. Old missiles can be repaired using new parts, but those who can get new parts can usually get new and improved missiles instead. In any case, the Russians are very cautious about who they sell these things to. This is probably one of the reasons why Russia transferred the serial numbers of Igla-S MANPADS sold to Libya.


    Most NATO helicopters and airplanes are equipped with missile detection and defense systems (lasers or traps). 25-year-old Stingers, even if they are still in working condition, cannot be more effective than some of the more modern Russian types of missiles on the black market.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      professor Today, 12:18 new 1 
      Russian serial numbers

      Professor, as I understand it, you are reassuring yourself, but you know for sure that in recent years Gaddafi hasn’t acquired something fresher belay My advice to you, do not use air transport, well, it’s in the bath wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 17 October 2012 13: 38
        +1
        as I understand it, you reassure yourself

        Not at all, I’m teaching materiel here. In particular, the probability of MANPADS to bring down a large passenger airliner. So the statistics indicate a very poor effectiveness of MANPADS in general and against large aircraft in particular. Nevertheless, one should not neglect the danger (planes fall even from birds). God forbid, bearded men will begin to practice shooting at planes, say, in Frankfurt or in the Minvody. And as I understand it, about 5000 MANPADS now walk it is not known where.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 October 2012 13: 54
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          And as I understand it, about 5000 MANPADS now walk it is not known where.

          Well, with this question, you need to turn to your US allies, they overthrew totalitarianism and replaced it with democracy, the goal is achieved, the rest is not important wink
          Quote: Professor
          Not at all, I’m teaching materiel here.

          I saw your link Professor, you know you scare me, you and Hamas are visiting the same saits laughing
        2. Arkan
          Arkan 17 October 2012 15: 38
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Frankfurt or in the Minvody

          Palestinian refugees, if they live in these cities, then in small numbers. And they do not require the governments of Germany and Russia to return their homes to them.
        3. VAF
          VAF 17 October 2012 17: 12
          0
          Quote: Professor
          God forbid, bearded men will begin to practice shooting at planes, say, in Frankfurt or in the Minvody.


          Anything can be, I agree with you here! In the meantime, these "bearded guys" .. at home "train"!

    2. VAF
      VAF 17 October 2012 17: 08
      +1
      Quote: Professor

      Professor


      Dear professor. Do not test yourself ... with illusions! bully