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See the forest for the trees. About waving a saber, black and white thinking and the goals of victory

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I thought that the topic raised in the previous article (On mobilization, delegation issues and the naval parade), will be exhausted in the same place, but it turned out to be inexhaustible. That's why I had to continue.


About swinging a saber


In the excellent Soviet film "Officers" there is a wonderful phrase: "Think! The commander must think, you understand? And not just waving a saber! It can be added that not only the commander is obliged to think. Perhaps this is a universal duty.

Somehow life confronted me with one head of production. The man was full of energy. You read his reports - dedication is beyond anyone. So, on his day off, he rushed to another city in his personal car: the equipment stopped - it was urgent to bring the block that had failed, and he brought it. Here's another force majeure: it doesn't matter - they brought the brigade out into the night, and everything was done. In general, not an employee, but just a treasure.

But, reading his reports, the following questions arose: why did force majeure repeat itself with enviable regularity - two or even three times a week? In this connection, production constantly operates in the "feat" mode? Why is it not working stably and systematically? ..

Why does a person begin to “wave a saber”? Often from a lack of professionalism. This, thank God, is fixable - with the accumulation of experience passes. But often, and because of the narrow mind - this, alas, is not treated.

However, there are other reasons for "sword waving".

One reason is panic.

From a biological point of view, man is an animal. Millions of years of primitive life genetically laid the response to stress - "hit" and "run".

SWO is stress. Even if you don't realize it. And there are characteristic demands “immediate mobilization”, “urgently everything on a war footing”, that very “saber wave” right and left, without disassembling one’s own or others.

Characteristically, the key requirement is “immediately” and “urgently”, otherwise “everything is lost”.

Such a reaction is absolutely normal for any person. This is the result of millions of years of evolution. It is bad when such a reaction becomes uncontrollable. It is even worse when it begins to influence the adoption of state or socially significant decisions.

Reiterating the questions raised earlier: what is meant by economic mobilization, what are its goals, what results should be achieved?

An interesting chronology of the creation of the F-22 aircraft.

The competition for the creation of the aircraft and the requirements for it were formulated in 1981. First prototype - 1986. First pre-production vehicle - 1994. Start of mass production - 1997. Start of delivery - 2003. First formed squadron - 2005.

Total - 24 years. This is in the "great and mighty" United States.

What is the price of urgency?

A sea of ​​references to the experience of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War. This is truly a unique experience. So what is he talking about?

I will quote a number of documents.

- Memorandum of the Deputy Chairman of the State Planning Committee of the USSR A. N. Lavrishchev to the Chairman of the State Planning Committee of the USSR M. Z. Saburov “On the progress of the restoration of evacuated enterprises by the people's commissariats on December 10, 1941” ( RGAE. F. 4372. Op. 93. D. 70. L. 219, 220, 251):

“During the evacuation of enterprises, the selection of equipment for installation is carried out largely by chance, without taking into account the completeness of certain types of equipment, and especially production and energy equipment.
Having dismantled the equipment, the people's commissariats did not organize accounting of this equipment and control over its progress along the way, as a result of which trains with evacuated equipment arrive at their destination, as a rule, very late, in parts and incompletely.

- Memorandum of the Secretary of the Nizhny Tagil City Committee to the State Defense Committee dated November 14, 1941:

“The plant received 15 conflicting instructions that paralyze the normal operation of the plant. The plan for shells increased and decreased several times, which did not give the plant the opportunity to improve technology and raise labor productivity. The mass production of projectiles requires a huge amount of work to re-equip and re-equip the machines, arrange them along the flow in accordance with the technological process, as well as the time required for machine operators to master each new type of product. Since the product range was not determined as a result of the conflicting instructions of the NKB, the machine equipment was rearranged several times from place to place, which means it was idle.

The haste and confusion that arose at that time is to some extent justified by the difficult situation on the fronts and the eccentricity of the tasks, but this does not reduce its negative consequences.

The experience of the Great Patriotic War in transferring civilian enterprises to the production of military products is also significant.

So, without imploring the importance of civilian enterprises converted to the production of military products, their share in the total volume of this production amounted to about 18%. The overwhelming volume of production (82%) was accounted for by specialized enterprises of the military-industrial complex (N.S. Simonov “The Military Industrial Complex of the USSR in the 1920s–1950s”).

At the same time, as noted in a memorandum by the deputy head of the USSR Narkomfin Ya. Golyaev dated October 8, 1943: “the cost of military products at the enterprises of civilian people's commissariats is extremely high" (ibid.)

In today's world of sophisticated technology, the difference will be even more noticeable. I will also refer to the existing Soviet plans of the 80s for the mobilization preparation of industrial enterprises. They were made up of stupid people.

For example, the essence of the mobilization plan of one purely civilian Soviet plant was as follows - all available stocks of refrigerants used in production (as dual-use raw materials) were transferred to the corresponding specialized enterprises of the military-industrial complex. On this, his participation in the production of military products ended.

I will again mention the head of production, with whom this material began.

Of all the “whys” that arose when getting acquainted with his work, the most interesting were still not questions about the organization of work. The most interesting was something else.

Why with all the chronic emergency work - he was known as a cool anti-crisis manager? After all, the source of the crises was the lack of his own professionalism. It would seem a paradox. Unfortunately no.

We are faced with the age-old struggle between efficiency and effectiveness. Alas, often the society itself forms a request for spectacular actions, instead of boring, systematic, imperceptible at first glance, but often more productive work.

As a result of the actions of the enemy DRG, explosions occurred in ammunition depots. Why are the guilty not punished? There are many such comments.

OK. Found the culprit - punished. What's next? Need a spectacular public execution with beheading? Or do you need a solution to a problem?

If a solution to a problem is needed, then ask questions about solving the problem, not about assigning blame. And be prepared that official responses may be limited to the standard "all necessary measures have been taken." No sane person will tell you where security systems or air defenses are installed.

But if the society will concentrate on the search for the perpetrators. On the demand for dashing cavalry attacks. On a spectacular and beautiful "saber waving", which will be perceived with more approval than an inconspicuous real work ...

The state apparatus is by no means a thing in itself. One way or another, he is a part of our society, and he still responds to the demands of society. Sometimes very badly and reluctantly. Sometimes it's not so right. Sometimes very sluggish and slow. But he reacts. Especially if the society acts persistently enough.

So, therefore, it is very important that the society forms the right requests.

About black and white thinking and the goals of victory


Just the other day, a comment was made on one of the information channels. I will quote almost in full:

“In the Kursk region, Ukrainian saboteurs blew up several power transmission towers ... In connection with which I have a completely reasonable question. Why are we still not attacking Ukrainian power plants and allowing Ukrainian industry to use electricity? Where is the red line after which you can move on to attacks on infrastructure? Indeed, in fact, it is quite simple to drive the industry of Ukraine into the XNUMXth century, it is enough to cut off the current.”

That's an example. Similar statements come up all the time. The emotion is more than understandable. Moreover, I completely share this emotional impulse.

But on the other hand, let's think about it. What is the military significance of undermining a power line pylon? What military significance does the shelling of a village house or a music school have?
No

However, these actions are of great informational and psychological significance.
Their main task is to evoke just such an emotional reaction, an example of which is given above.

Many different materials have been published on the topic of the formation of the project “Ukraine as anti-Russia”. The project, it must be admitted, was implemented brilliantly. Otherwise, we would not have a military confrontation now. And our task is to nullify the negative consequences of this project.

Technically, "cutting down the current" is quite simple. What are the consequences? These are non-functioning water supply and sewerage systems, food problems, medical assistance not provided to the population - what is called a humanitarian catastrophe. Moreover, the humanitarian aspect is not the most important here, although from an ethical point of view it dominates.

There is still a purely pragmatic question. Will destroyed life support infrastructure and Kyiv brought to its knees contribute to solving the problem of “Ukraine as anti-Russia”?

You can drive Ukraine into the 1933th century, but what will be the result? The Weimar Republic of XNUMX?

It is for this result that the actions to undermine power lines and shell civilian objects are calculated. Their key task is to create an “anti-Ukraine” from Russia and push these mutual anti-formations into a state of ongoing blood feud..

In terms of pitting peoples against each other, Anglo-Saxon politics has a rich historical an experience. And here, our army and society are faced with a really difficult task - to wage war without falling into "anti-Ukrainianism."

In addition, it must be taken into account that the current military conflict is only part of the global geopolitical confrontation, conventionally called "Russia - NATO" (in fact, it is more and more ambiguous).

In fact, there is a classic struggle for resources and a place under the sun (and I sincerely feel sorry for the Ukrainians, who allowed them to turn into expendable material in this confrontation).

Accordingly, the goals and victories in this conflict will not be the capture of Kyiv or Lvov (although it may make sense), but the achievement of a certain balance of interests between key centers, in which Russia, or rather, Russian civilization and its constituent peoples, will be assigned a place that provides at least a safe and as a maximum a comfortable and comfortable life.

Only in this context can one correctly define the goals and objectives of the military operation in Ukraine.

And the task of Russia is to achieve the most convenient and stable position for itself in future negotiations on the structure of this world.

For this, two conditions must be met:

- for starters, so that the costs of continuing the conflict for the conditional “NATO” exceed the possible benefits from its continuation;

- and at the same time not exhaust your own resources to the point where the conflict goes into a stalemate.

Based on this, the transfer of the entire country and economy to a military footing is an extreme measure. And now the production of baby undershirts is no less important than the production of drones. This provides stability.

On this basis, following the results of a military operation, it is desirable to have at least a non-hostile population of Ukraine. Revenge is too expensive, especially if it is not selective.

Therefore, it is necessary to make a right choice between effectiveness and efficiency.
It's not just about winning the battle. It is important not to lose the war.

Good luck to all of us in this difficult task.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 22 August 2022 11: 08
    0
    Soon the fairy tale tells, but the deed is not soon done ...
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 22 August 2022 11: 48
      +16
      In theory, everything the author wrote about is correct. Who argues that since he wrote better, and for Russia, and for Ukraine and for NATO. And who is worse? Lomonosov also wrote about this, but everyone knows. Blessing!!! But I have a question for the author. I quote him: "Russia's task is to achieve the most convenient and stable position for itself in future negotiations on the structure of this world.
      For this, two conditions must be met:
      - for starters, so that the costs of continuing the conflict for the conditional "NATO" exceed the possible benefits from its continuation; - and at the same time not exhaust our own resources to the point where the conflict goes into a stalemate.".
      First of all, the author fell into a trap. He believes that the West is acting within the framework of the axiom "loot drives", that is, when the West has big costs, it will retreat. But this is not so, because politics is not reduced to economics. How much our pro-government media have said that Germany will never stop SP2. However... Despite the fact that the prospect of a shortage of gas in winter in Europe is real, although it is exaggerated by our media, they will mix it up. Further, SaLaR in the previous comment correctly noted that the matter is not being done soon. In terms of thermodynamics, you really have to do things in order to maintain balance, but there is also the damn science of kinetics. Is there any chance of moving forward somewhere with a leisurely consideration of the issue? Our military leaders, within the framework of science, do everything correctly and competently, but while our enemy is slowly taking one line, he is preparing a new one for him. He has enough funds for this - the West helps. Is there a chance to win? I would like to receive a reasoned answer that this is not so. Only without slogans, but, preferably, with at least approximately calculated justification. Without this, everything that the author wrote is nothing more than good wishes.
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 24 August 2022 12: 41
        0
        Any military man will answer you that the main thing is not the seizure of territory, but the destruction of enemy personnel and equipment. With that, it's all right. And the creation of new lines of defense is unlikely. Instead of multi-layer concreted urs, building field fortifications is not the same thing. They don’t shoot for a long time at an okpa from a large caliber.
      2. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 27 August 2022 15: 38
        0
        mikh-korsakov (Mikhail)
        Without this, everything that the author wrote is nothing more than good wishes.
        Read the Peter Principle, it's the root of problem solving...
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 24 August 2022 12: 38
      0
      Bravo, it would be difficult to sum up with such a brilliant and capacious formulation.
  2. Radikal
    Radikal 22 August 2022 11: 13
    +2
    "Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ...." bully
    1. your1970
      your1970 22 August 2022 11: 34
      +5
      Quote: Radikal
      "Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ...." bully

      No, the author is right: if we get a negative population, there is no point in going there. There will be ala Western Ukraine until 1957.
      It will be much easier for the West to finance and supply them than then.
      We need at least NEUTRAL population. If it is not in the mass, we lost the war even if our CAA sits in Lviv
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 22 August 2022 11: 48
        +37
        I doubt that by dragging out the conflict (and the hardships associated with it), as well as "grinding" dozens of mobilized reservists every day (which is so happily broadcast on VO), we will contribute to the neutral position of the population.
        Positional warfare, constant mutual shelling, the absence of any major military successes also do not contribute to this from the word at all.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 22 August 2022 11: 49
        +17
        Quote: your1970
        We need at least a NEUTRAL population. If it is not in the mass, we lost the war even if our CAA sits in Lviv

        For this, the population had to be prepared .. how much money was swollen there .. and the result was the opposite .. why? who is responsible, where is the punishment? And then, what do we offer Ukrainians? The West understands lace panties .. and "democracy", a more full life and other delights .. and what do we offer?
        In order to win the minds of Ukrainians and win this confrontation with the West, we need an idea that would unite the majority of the population. And the idea by which we now live differs little from the Western one .. only, unlike the Western one, our successes are negative.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 22 August 2022 20: 47
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          To win over the minds of Ukrainians and win this confrontation with the West, we need an idea that would unite the majority of the population.

          Are there many who want to build communism there?
        2. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 23 August 2022 12: 12
          +1
          what do we offer?

          Khokhloma, the gold leaf of the Kremlin halls, the sternly wise faces of our officials (where Ukrainian before them :-)), epic (in words and in agitprop) existential antagonism with the "pernicious West", the Russian language from every sign, endless savoring of the events of the 80s and 60 years ago, as if it all happened yesterday. What else ? Hmm .. reduced price for gas, fuel, generation, perhaps slightly reduced for fertilizers.
          Perhaps I missed something? For the time being, everything seems to be in this spirit.
          For all this, in theory, the average Ukrainian (in the view of our agitprop) should have a fierce erection, so much so that he will spit on his usual way of life and run to harness for us, completely without fear of persecution by the still existing government. All this would be somewhat less sad and funny if we really formed the "image of the future" for the population of Ukraine. No, until we work on it, and from the outside it looks like timidity and caution.
      3. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 22 August 2022 11: 51
        0
        It will be much easier for the West to finance and supply them
        Now the West simply does not have extra money to finance a failed project. It is worth noting that the West needs to finance the "projects" already at home - less than 5% of refugees in France, for example, work. As the French themselves note, they behave as if on vacation. Well, they also go to their rallies, ending in drinking in public places.
        negative population
        Any Ukrainian with an unsatisfied list of Wishlist = negative population. I met them in England - they hate England and the English. One even lives in a free apartment on benefits, he is also offended by them (the British). It seems to be an axiom.
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 August 2022 12: 32
          -2
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          I met them in England - they hate England and the English. One even lives in a free apartment on benefits, he is also offended by them (the British). It seems to be an axiom.

          It's just negative - it's almost neutral. When they mumble "Bastards are in power, everyone sold out .." and so on bububu - it's not scary. Such people with a gun will not go or mine roads or blow up VGA ...
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Now the West simply does not have extra money

          And there, just a lot will not be needed anymore - a penny, several million euros a year.
          They will pay a little bit to the militants, so that they shoot us in the back ....
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 22 August 2022 13: 06
            -2
            several million euros per year.
            Will disperse into the pockets of hundreds. In response to the question "what has been done" it will be - "what did you want for these pennies"
            they won’t go into the forest with a gun
            Only knowing 100% that they will not come back.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 22 August 2022 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          . I met them in England - they hate England and the English.

          And why should they love England and the British?
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          One even lives in a free apartment on benefits, he is also offended by them (the British). It seems to be an axiom.

          I think he lived well at home, normally. Had a job. good home , leisure . And now. Do you not allow such an idea that these hypothetical "Ukrainians" perfectly understand who dragged them into the massacre? And now "mercifully" gives shelter and food? It's all clear to me. At the beginning of the SVO, my cousin fled from Kyiv all the way to Paris .. 75 to him, 72 to his wife .. Daughter, two grandchildren ... We lived there for three months, appreciated the "kindness and affection" of France. From a conversation with him .- "We lived like in a camp" .. I asked how pioneering? No . followed by an answer. True, they fed three times a day. They counted five times a day. A room for five people.. Corridor system, thirty rooms. One latrine, one shower room. Former head of a large workshop, party organizer of the organization of the enterprise ... An educated modern person. We returned home .. To live, or if fate falls, to die. But at home!!! At home, damn it, your "merciful" British and French!
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 22 August 2022 21: 49
            -1
            And what did the British and French not like? The fact that people living in Ukraine understand who their real enemy is? Not Russia! No.. It was England and France that dragged Ukraine into all serious trouble and they are responsible for everything.
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 23 August 2022 06: 35
            -1
            why do they love England and the British?
            For letting me in and giving me the opportunity to live like people.
            I lived well at home, normally. Had a job. good home , leisure
            In 2008, he pulled from his native Lviv region, where he cleaned up after the pigs, and the money was for moonshine.
            appreciated the "kindness and affection" of France
            Counted on a cottage with a view of the Alps? Why do the French need old beggars, they are not so stupid.
      4. Voronezh
        Voronezh 22 August 2022 12: 40
        +10
        There will no longer be a neutral population there. Several generations brought up in hatred, plus the relatives of those killed. What kind of neutrality are we talking about here?
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 August 2022 12: 56
          -1
          Quote from Voronezh
          There will no longer be a neutral population there. Several generations brought up in hatred, plus the relatives of those killed. What kind of neutrality are we talking about here?

          Neutrality - this is when they can spit, but in the back, while the machine is in hand - do not take...

          Ukrainian The media does not write anything about partisans in the rear of our troops ...
          And hatred is such a shaky thing .... when the question arises - that you need to go shoot at foreign soldiers who can kill in response ..
          1. Voronezh
            Voronezh 22 August 2022 13: 56
            +7
            When they can spit in the back, this is no longer neutrality. They can attach it along with a spit and a club if they are sure that no one sees. And from a club to a machine gun is a very short step. In addition, there are many ways to cheat on the sly, sort of like not breaking the law, but at the same time up to the paralysis of production, etc.
            1. your1970
              your1970 22 August 2022 15: 23
              -2
              Quote from Voronezh
              When they can spit in the back, this is no longer neutrality. They can attach it along with a spit and a club if they are sure that no one sees. And from a club to a machine gun is a very short step.

              Well, for example, until 1957, the population of ZUkraine actively and massively supported Bandera. But at the same time, it was relatively neutral in large numbers - only a few went into the forest with weapons.
              So from a spit in the back to a machine gun - a step sooooo long.
              Crapping on the sly is a problem that only time will solve. What happened after the Civil...
              Alas, there is no other way.
              1. Voronezh
                Voronezh 22 August 2022 18: 42
                0
                Here they are, who then spat and raised those who took the machine gun. So long or short stride is all relative. In modern conditions, the distance from spitting to the machine is reduced by a multiple. From the 90s to 2014. Very long?
        2. soloist2424
          soloist2424 24 August 2022 16: 46
          0
          Why won't it? In Chechnya there is, in Ukraine it will not be? When they took Kherson, there were anti-Russian demonstrations for a month, where are they now?
      5. Taimen
        Taimen 22 August 2022 14: 08
        0
        The author showed concern for the Ukrainian people. And about his own, that it’s not necessary and it will do. Some kind of pacifist article, it’s not for nothing that the author has a strange surname “Kind”. This kindness has already got everyone. Kind to the enemies of the people, to "dear partners, to the Turks who killed the ambassador and shot down the plane, kind to the Nabiullins, Kudrins, Siluanovs. Such kindness will not lead to good.
        1. soloist2424
          soloist2424 24 August 2022 16: 47
          -1
          Why doesn't he think? The task is to preserve the personnel of the armed forces.
    2. Albert Brecht
      Albert Brecht 22 August 2022 11: 46
      -1
      That's right, 18 hours! And here, - lace on a Murano glass chandelier, at a height of 4 meters, everyone flew: children, nannies, horses, people ...
  3. Flooding
    Flooding 22 August 2022 11: 23
    -5
    not only the commander is obliged to think. Perhaps this is a universal obligation.

    I do not agree.
    It is not given to everyone - to think.
    Most of the time we think what we think.
    And in fact...

    Someone has golden hands and diligence for three.
    All he needs is a competent leader.
    Which just will think for all the unit entrusted to him.

    When everyone starts thinking (and everyone thinks in their own way), chaos and confusion begin.
    There are people for whom thinking is contraindicated.
    In them, nature has a different functionality.
    Which must be used to the fullest for the good of the country.

    When I come to the Philharmonic, it will definitely not look like a thinking performer of Vivaldi's compositions.
    And on the feeling and masterfully performing.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 22 August 2022 12: 08
      +2
      One must not think thoughtlessly. One must think ahead, taking into account and calculating the possible influence of the actions of others and the resulting decision on others.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 22 August 2022 12: 10
        -13
        Quote: Mitroha
        We must not think thoughtlessly. We must think ahead, taking into account and calculating the possible impact

        Undoubtedly! I agree with you.

        But first of all, those who are obliged to do so by their official position should think.

        Well, the rest are optional.
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 August 2022 17: 56
          +8
          Quote: Flood
          But first of all, those who are obliged to do so by their official position should think.

          Well, the rest are optional.

          It was already like this in one Central European country - We don’t need to think, the Fuhrer thinks for us ...
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 22 August 2022 17: 59
            -8
            Quote: Alf
            It was already like this in one Central European country - We don’t need to think, the Fuhrer thinks for us

            Ага.
            In the late 80s it was more interesting.
            Publicity! Perestroika! Freedom of speech! Democracy!
            And the fools did not understand that everything was thought out for them. Over the ocean.
            They thought they were the smart ones.
  4. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 22 August 2022 11: 24
    +4
    The haste and confusion that arose at that time is to some extent justified by the difficult situation on the fronts and the eccentricity of the tasks, but this does not reduce its negative consequences.

    It is not necessary to take into account individual shortcomings in the process of carrying out an evacuation and relocation of the industry unprecedented in history and oppose them to the final brilliant result. Thanks to this evacuation, the war was won.

    The experience of the Great Patriotic War in transferring civilian enterprises to the production of military products is also significant.
    So, without imploring the importance of civilian enterprises converted to the production of military products, their share in the total volume of this production amounted to about 18%. The overwhelming volume of production (82%) was accounted for by specialized enterprises of the military-industrial complex (N.S. Simonov “The Military Industrial Complex of the USSR in the 1920s–1950s”).

    What year is this 18% and does this 18% include the products of civilian enterprises that were dual-use even before the war? For example, tractor, automobile and locomotive plants and so on?
  5. Blade3
    Blade3 22 August 2022 11: 24
    +3
    Until a reasonable person understands what he is - the State, with its problems and shortcomings, that the State is not some kind of third-party mechanism but a group of people - so everyone will wonder why everything is that way
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 August 2022 12: 00
      +7
      Quote from blade3
      Until a reasonable person understands what he is - the State, with its problems and shortcomings, that the State is not some kind of third-party mechanism but a group of people - so everyone will wonder why everything is that way

      A person is not a state, a person could be a state .. and then with a big stretch, under the USSR, under capitalism, the state is those in whose hands capital and management are concentrated, and the person is food. What actually shows clearly demography, medicine and social policy ..
      1. Blade3
        Blade3 22 August 2022 12: 10
        -6
        I described everything above. Evolve
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 22 August 2022 12: 19
          +5
          Quote from blade3
          I described everything above. Evolve

          I think you need to evolve. Who pays the money, he dances the girl, and the one who has the capital pays .. simple logic, from which it follows that the capital creates conditions for itself, and the person is food. Read "capital" at least .. and then we'll talk about evolution.
          1. Blade3
            Blade3 22 August 2022 12: 28
            -6
            Difficult case but you have a chance stop
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 22 August 2022 18: 21
      +4
      Quote from blade3
      Until a reasonable person understands what he is - the State, with its problems and shortcomings
      If you are the State, then replace Nabiullina with someone who will force the Central Bank to work for the country. You can not? Don't show off! The state he...
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 22 August 2022 11: 29
    -10
    On this basis, following the results of a military operation, it is desirable to have at least a non-hostile population of Ukraine.

    That's why you didn't focus on it. Again slip past the visors wink How many times has it been said, not a war is going on there, not a war! Recently he cited as an example - in 1945, the USSR had just finished off a de facto united Europe, everything, it was defeated, our army was in Berlin. And for another 15 years, Sudoplatov has been fighting gangs in Ukraine. By the way, the same, Bandera. It was possible to howl in the same way as they howl now - come on, come on, faster, faster? With the same motivation, they say, how is it, what kind of army we have - for 15 years we have not been able to defeat the bandits?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 22 August 2022 11: 33
      -2
      Quote: Cowbra
      On this basis, following the results of a military operation, it is desirable to have at least a non-hostile population of Ukraine.

      That's why you didn't focus on it. Again slip past the visors

      +
      The non-hostile population of Ukraine is the primary task of the NWO.
      1. Alf
        Alf 22 August 2022 17: 58
        +7
        Quote: Flood
        The non-hostile population of Ukraine is the primary task of the NWO.

        Well, how does it work? Judging by the number of mobilized.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 August 2022 18: 01
          -7
          Quote: Alf
          Well, how does it work? Judging by the number of mobilized.

          Walk across Ukraine and count the number of people hiding from mobilization.
    2. Bronik
      Bronik 22 August 2022 15: 59
      +4
      Sudoplatov in 1953 had already sat down for 15 years. Even the almighty Andropov pulled him out with difficulty only in 1968. And they were already rehabilitated only in 1992.
  7. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 August 2022 11: 29
    +6
    Cleverly the author argues ...
    I'll ask him a tricky question.
    Why is the top political and military leadership of Ukraine not disorganized... it would seem that if the Rada is destroyed, the Government and the General Staff with the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lose their central leadership and turn into a disorderly crowd of military men.
    This will facilitate the conduct of the NMD many times over without unnecessary losses of the population and the military ... why is the operation following the greatest resistance with a great risk of drawing NATO into the war?
    I do not understand the Kremlin's strategy in this case. what
    1. filibuster
      filibuster 22 August 2022 11: 46
      +7
      I do not understand the Kremlin's strategy in this case.


      It may turn out that the Kremlin does not have a clear strategy now and is improvising on the go. Probably, at first they hoped for Zelensky’s flight or a military coup and getting a government loyal to Kyiv, because there were Putin’s statements that Russia does not claim the territory of Ukraine, now the plans have clearly changed.
    2. Edik
      Edik 22 August 2022 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Why is the top political and military leadership of Ukraine not disorganized... it would seem that if the Rada is destroyed, the Government and the General Staff with the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lose their central leadership and turn into a disorderly crowd of military men.

      Zelensky are not leaders, they are performers, if he is not removed, then he suits everyone. Us with his stupidity, the West with his diligence. Removing him, it seems to me that we will only complicate the execution of our tasks. Who will come in his place? military hysteria can be very dangerous, both for us and for our own population.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 22 August 2022 20: 50
      -4
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      seemingly destroy the Rada, the Government and the General Staff with the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lose their central leadership and turn into a disorderly crowd of the military.

      In order for the Armed Forces to lose leadership, the Pentagon must be destroyed.
  8. ANB
    ANB 22 August 2022 11: 35
    +3
    It won't hurt Kyiv to cut off electricity at all.
  9. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 22 August 2022 11: 37
    +8
    You can drive Ukraine into the 1933th century, but what will be the result? The Weimar Republic of XNUMX?
    It is possible, but who will restore and for what, excuse me, "shishi"? The Weimar Republic, it was already there until 2014, since 2014, it’s different there .. By the way, September 1st is coming soon, children on both sides are required to go to school .. this is for information. Cities will become much more difficult to liberate.
    And the task of Russia is to achieve the most convenient and stable position for itself in future negotiations on the structure of this world.
    Very interesting, what will we agree on? That Zelensky will carry out denazification and demilitarization? And will Ukraine never, ever join NATO and the EU? And if they violate it, they will face eternal contempt and shame? And if you mean negotiations with the US and its allies, what should Russia demand? And what should she do with them in order to demand, and they almost silently agreed with these demands?
    1. soloist2424
      soloist2424 24 August 2022 16: 52
      -1
      Any war at the end of the battle offers negotiations. Even if the opponent lost outright, he signs the conditions that you put on him.
  10. max702
    max702 22 August 2022 11: 39
    +5
    The author made a fundamental mistake in that the Ukrainians are not to blame, but the bad government is to blame .. Therefore, it is impossible for the Ukrainians to do badly (arranging a humanitarian catastrophe) but they are not to blame! They may even be offended by Russia and oh vey ... Here is the main leitmotif of the article .. But a fat hint that it’s enough to beat MAUR and it’s time to negotiate is present ..
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  12. NDR-791
    NDR-791 22 August 2022 11: 43
    +5
    You can drive Ukraine into the 1933th century, but what will be the result? The Weimar Republic of XNUMX?

    To begin with, it would be good to understand not what will happen, but what was originally supposed - on February 23rd. Six months have passed, and no one has answered this question.
    1. soloist2424
      soloist2424 24 August 2022 16: 55
      -1
      I suppose the answer to this will be a few years after the end of the NWO. Fundamental works about the Second World War did not come out soon, they are still coming out.
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 22 August 2022 11: 49
    +3
    Based on this, the transfer of the entire country and economy to a military footing is an extreme measure. And now the production of baby undershirts is no less important than the production of drones. This provides stability.

    If now for Russia children's undershirts are no less important than drones, then mobilization is needed for the production of undershirts.
    On this basis, following the results of a military operation, it is desirable to have at least a non-hostile population of Ukraine. Revenge is too expensive, especially if it is not selective.

    As a result of the Great Patriotic War, it was desirable to have a non-hostile population of Germany, and this was received after the occupation of Germany in the GDR.
  14. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 22 August 2022 11: 54
    +11
    Summary of the article: nothing needs to be done, everything is very complicated, maybe somehow it itself. Emotions are bad, will sit quietly and pretend that everything is in order.
    It’s better to chat about Russian civilization, organize some kind of congress and dream sweetly about “achieving a certain balance of interests between key centers, in which Russia, or rather, Russian civilization and its constituent peoples, will be assigned a place that provides at least a safe and how maximum comfortable and comfortable life.
    Some kind of Manilovism that just looks pathetic.
    We need at least a military defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. An absolutely specific task solved by military methods. Only this and nothing else can create the prerequisites for the end of the conflict in favor of Russia.
  15. Hindu
    Hindu 22 August 2022 11: 55
    +5
    Quote from: filibuster
    I do not understand the Kremlin's strategy in this case.


    It may turn out that the Kremlin does not have a clear strategy now and is improvising on the go. Probably, at first they hoped for Zelensky’s flight or a military coup and getting a government loyal to Kyiv, because there were Putin’s statements that Russia does not claim the territory of Ukraine, now the plans have clearly changed.


    The expression "neshmagla" is funny in a joke, in relation to a horse-nag. The same words in relation to the Kremlin - the leadership of the country and the Armed Forces - this is already a disaster.
  16. gromit
    gromit 22 August 2022 11: 58
    +14
    That's good, everything is going according to plan, we were not going to liberate Ukraine, we were not going to take Kyiv and Lvov either. Kherson, then at least they were going to?
    Our goal is "to achieve a certain balance of interests between the key centers."
    Therefore, we dispersed tens of thousands of mobilized Armed Forces of Ukraine and we will wonder why the "non-hostile population of Ukraine" does not work out.
  17. Third district
    Third district 22 August 2022 11: 59
    +19
    Explanatory - protective article. The main message in it is this - where do you all climb, with your indignation and stupid advice. All the smart people up there will figure it out without you. And in general, everything goes strictly according to plan.
    1. soloist2424
      soloist2424 24 August 2022 16: 57
      -2
      No, of course, we are all strategists here, just give everyone an army, we will show you how to fight!
  18. mitroha
    mitroha 22 August 2022 12: 02
    -10
    our army and society are faced with a really difficult task - to wage war without falling into "anti-Ukrainianism"

    Very correct definition.
  19. nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 August 2022 12: 17
    -1
    Ordinary performers have no concept of force majeure. Either they did it or they didn’t. This concept has higher ranks. In a moment of danger, thoughts either work quickly or fall into a stupor. You can’t learn this. This is a profession. This profession is acquired over time.
  20. Ronrew
    Ronrew 22 August 2022 12: 31
    +11
    Well, the position of the author of the article is clear. Now I want to write my objections: 1) Regarding the chronology of the creation of the F-22 aircraft - the time seems long, but firstly, the first production aircraft of the 5th generation was created, and secondly, the United States had nowhere to rush - the cold war in 1991 ended in collapse USSR; 2) Regarding the production of military products by civilian enterprises in the 1940s - indeed, many mistakes were made during the evacuation and deployment of enterprises in new places, but in the end they were all promptly eliminated and proof of this is the victory of the USSR in the Second World War; 3) It is necessary and desirable to punish for failures in terms of the activities of the enemy’s DRG on our territory, at least in order to discourage others; 4) Attacks on infrastructure and energy facilities are unfortunately necessary, in war as in war.
  21. Markovic
    Markovic 22 August 2022 12: 45
    +12
    First, our political leadership brings Ukraine to such a state when it turns into anti-Russia, and then heroically tries to correct this situation. It's about the same, first shoot a bird, and then begin to treat it selflessly.
  22. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 12: 53
    +4
    Hit on one cheek, turn the other. The next time, your head, you see, your hand will break. There is the Russian Guard to protect bridges, power lines, power plants, but its main task is to disperse demonstrations. They blew up the ammunition depot, the chief should be fired. Putin's main ambush is not to fire, not to re-elect, he does not admit mistakes and he will not leave voluntarily.
    1. frog
      frog 22 August 2022 18: 19
      -5
      From only this is the main ambush? You are a happy person, I’m coming out of white envy ....
      And now, purely hypothetically, let's assume that he, like the animator, is suddenly a flyboy .... And? What's next? I'm not saying that there is a cat everywhere, I'm saying that it's really possible to do what? there is such a seething .... various masses will begin, that oh-wei ....
      1. aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 20: 22
        0
        Putin has created a political system in which there are no competitors. I'm not saying that he should leave right now. Well, not everything is forever, all of a sudden it will die and that Russia should sink into heaven after him. Putin is a screen for the fifth column that guides ..... Really, it’s too late to drink Borjomi, the main thing was there was no war - the main mantra of people, as it were voted, and now the main thing is that the war is already on our territory.
        1. Repellent
          Repellent 22 August 2022 20: 26
          -3
          Quote: aslan642
          Putin is a screen for the fifth column, which guides

          More details, please, from now on.

          Otherwise, I will say that you are the screen, and you are the fifth cart in the wheel ... well, you understand, I guess.
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 23: 34
            -1
            So you want to say Putin is in front of the fifth column or behind. I'm on my own.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 23 August 2022 10: 06
              -1
              Quote: aslan642
              So you want to say Putin is in front of the fifth column or behind

              This is what you want to say. You haven't been able to yet.

              Quote: aslan642
              I am on my own

              Of course, because you, except for yourself, are of no interest to anyone request yes
              1. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 23 August 2022 12: 25
                +1
                And what should I succeed. I am retired, served my time. And you are a plug for Edro and the fifth column. Work out bonuses.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 23 August 2022 12: 31
                  -2
                  Quote: aslan642
                  And you are a plug for Edro and the fifth column

                  Yah?

                  Quote: aslan642
                  I'm retired, served my

                  The daughter of an officer? laughing
                  1. aslanxnumx
                    aslanxnumx 23 August 2022 12: 45
                    -1
                    I am an officer, and you are Edro's daughter
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 23 August 2022 12: 49
                      -1
                      Quote: aslan642
                      I am an officer

                      Yes, according to your whining, it is remarkably defined.

                      Quote: aslan642
                      and you are the daughter of Edro

                      Not. Daughter - it's you, but edro is not my own even once No. request
                      1. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 23 August 2022 13: 06
                        0
                        If criticism of the leadership is whining, if there is nothing to say in justifying the cheers of idiocy, you need to move on to insults and comparisons. There are enough brains for this.
                      2. Repellent
                        Repellent 23 August 2022 13: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: aslan642
                        you need to move on to insults and comparisons. There are enough brains for this

                        Yes, that's exactly what you need. There are many of you, I'm already used to it.

                        Quote: aslan642
                        acquittal

                        I don't know such a word.
                2. Bronik
                  Bronik 23 August 2022 13: 48
                  +3
                  I am also retired. Just in case, I'm learning Chinese. I have already learned the phrases: "Hello comrade Chinese officer!", "Here are the lists of members of the United Russia of our region, with addresses." The grandson was given a Chinese name. Am I doing the right thing?
                  1. aslanxnumx
                    aslanxnumx 23 August 2022 13: 54
                    -2
                    But I’m thinking when the time comes to defend the Motherland. To defend or clean up that is the question
        2. frog
          frog 22 August 2022 20: 50
          -2
          "A political system in which there are no competitors" .... Sounds! Damn, what does that sound like!?
          The neighbors were all right with their competitors and with democratic elections. AND? CHSH, not only in them wink
          But competition alone is not enough, if there is a fight in a jar of rats - this is also competition. Only the rat will win anyway. I am without allusions, in fact, so, for illustration.
          Some time ago, we had a breakthrough of competitors, what battles were fought ... "Vote, otherwise ...." But what kind of competition was it, in fact? The whole point of this mouse fuss is to sit closer to the faucet. Democrats, liberals, communists, beer drinkers and fig lovers knows who else....
          The thing is, IMHO, essno, people want sausages (this is a metaphor))) and don’t do a damn thing. Someone wants more sausage, which is normal, but still does not want to work repeat And if we are for such a worthy goal as saving the country laughing , so here everything is quite simple. This genius did not flatten into any shish shirnarmasses. He will force Patamushta to work hard, because there is no other way.
          Not to mention the fact that somewhere you need to take a decent number of just the same heavenly angels (by the way, professionals). Can you tell me which freezer they are stored in? What would, having thawed it quickly, put it back in place and let them plow .... We will not talk about the fact that the previous ones will be somewhat dissatisfied, as well as about the fact that abroad will help them in this charitable cause wink
          And we won’t talk at all about the form in which it will all be ... Because we have already seen capitalism a la russe, as well as socialism a la it. And with this population there will be no other .....
          So, whatever one may say - dumbass, goblin or not - the tenth thing ....
  23. Conjurer
    Conjurer 22 August 2022 12: 59
    -11
    The author is right. The operation in Ukraine is only a small part of the confrontation started by the Americans in order to keep the unipolar world, so we need to build up our economy in parallel with the proceedings with the Ukrainians. Throwing all means at war means reducing your capabilities in the fight against the United States. Simply because the planned restructuring of industry, its ongoing re-equipment, the development and implementation of advanced innovations and technologies will be postponed. We will disperse the Ukrainians, but we will lose strategically. Do we need it?
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 August 2022 18: 08
      +8
      Quote: Conjurer
      Simply because the planned restructuring of industry, its ongoing re-equipment, the development and implementation of advanced innovations and technologies will be postponed.

      And the fact that import substitution failed and the money was stolen, as the authorities admitted, is the same NWO to blame?
      Quote: Conjurer
      the undertaking restructuring of industry, its ongoing re-equipment, the development and implementation of advanced innovations and technologies.

      What did you mean ? Where is all this? Or did you wrap it up here with Made with us?
      Quote: Conjurer
      restructuring of industry, its re-equipment, development and implementation of advanced innovations and technologies.

      Where is all this?
      What modern technologies, if buttons and nails, are the most "high-tech and science-intensive" product we buy?
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  24. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 22 August 2022 13: 10
    +4
    You forget that Ukraine is an absolutely hostile state to us. Almost no one supports Russia there.
    The vast majority of Ukrainians approve of the shelling of our villages, cities, the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and Zaes, they rejoice in terrorist attacks and murders.
    This country fully deserves to return to the XNUMXth century. And our Calibers, Daggers, Iskanders should help this happen as soon as possible.
    Ukraine should be left without all the benefits, without energy, light, heat. And no internet connection.
    That's the only way we can win.
  25. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 22 August 2022 13: 18
    +1
    Everything is correct and justified! But, this is something that only the enemy does not want. The rest want it to be just like that - correctly, organized and effective. Only some take responsibility and make decisions, others wait, hope that someone else will do it. The one who takes such responsibility may well make a mistake, the one who waits does not make mistakes.
    In yesterday's program of Solovyov, interesting conclusions of real experts were announced:
    - We do not have a national philosophy. Only from it can a state, national ideology be born.
    - In the conditions of the NWO, "Rear" did not realize that he was the rear of the "Front".
    - On the face, "frozen" administrative system.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 August 2022 18: 19
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir61
      - We do not have a national philosophy. Only from it can a state, national ideology be born.
      - In the conditions of the NWO, "Rear" did not realize that he was the rear of the "Front".
      - On the face, "frozen" administrative system.

      But the main question was not raised in this program - WHO did all this?
      1. frog
        frog 22 August 2022 18: 26
        +4
        How cynical you are ..... It's getting scary wink
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 August 2022 18: 31
          +7
          Quote: frog
          How cynical you are ..... It's getting scary wink

          Well, excuse me, what is ... laughing I think if a CLEAR and TRUE answer had been given to this question in this program, then we would not have seen her again ...
          1. frog
            frog 22 August 2022 19: 39
            +2
            You ..... frappe me)) Do you really believe that in the programs this .... subject can have ..... experts? In the normal sense of the word, and not as it is now, of course ... Why do they need to forshmachitsya like that ??
            What about the question "Who did this?" in reasoning .... none of the current events ..... Yes, hamsters do not like the answers. In general, they don’t like much if they are upset)) Me too, but I understand that it’s like with the weather, we won’t have another. And therefore, it is useful to study it, so you wouldn’t go out without an umbrella or you wouldn’t squander the harvest there ....
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 August 2022 19: 56
              +4
              Quote: frog
              You ..... frappe me))

              What am I doing to you??? In May house ne express! laughing
              Quote: frog
              Do you really think that this....subject can have.....experts in the broadcasts?

              Of course not, who will let them in there?
              Quote: frog
              Why do they have to be so flustered??

              One more such expression and I will be forced to challenge you to a duel! laughing
              And in fact, you, unfortunately, are very right ...
      2. aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 20: 26
        0
        After the shelling of the Crimea and the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, the voices of the cheers of the patriots disappeared
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 August 2022 20: 44
          +6
          Quote: aslan642
          After the shelling of the Crimea and the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, the voices of the cheers of the patriots disappeared

          You are right, dear. Now they began to silently minus and hide.
        2. frog
          frog 22 August 2022 20: 51
          +4
          They'll get out. where are they going to go, not in the pub they ... smell sweet? After all, they can knock in the face there, but not only everyone is allowed to see Solovyov wink
        3. Charik
          Charik 24 August 2022 05: 02
          -2
          and what happened to the headquarters, who was killed? Crimea was shelled, so the fighting with a neighboring formation.
  26. seacap
    seacap 22 August 2022 13: 32
    +13
    In order to solve all these problems, it is necessary to start with yourself, to begin with, at least, to nationalize your own upper class, the so-called. elites (agricultural term). Personnel policy should not be based on nepotism, crime and personal devotion, but on the basis of professionalism, practical experience, achievements and a scientific approach, as well as multiply the responsibility for the results of work and decisions made, lack of initiative and consider misconduct and crimes in the civil service as aggravating circumstance. To radically revise, based on rich experience, the structure, powers and responsibilities of all state security services and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to raise the level of their rights and responsibilities. Create a truly independent and adequately functioning judicial and legal system, and not its current imitation. Conduct an audit of state structures and remove structures that work in parallel and their imitators, created by the boyars under their Oxford, Yale and Vshashny chadushkas, kept women, etc., from the budget allowance. For example, who will answer what the ONF is, its duties, responsibilities and sources of funding, who they represent, how and to whom one or another so-called is responsible for their activities. Duma deputies, how the state of affairs among their voters and in the districts, affects the level of salaries and mandate, what is the role of the Federation Council in the life of the country, etc. etc., not counting all sorts of offices and desks, institutes and academies. And what really causes melancholy and despondency is the economic and banking cluster, which continues stupidly to the point of obstinacy, no longer covering up its sabotage, to live in a world of globalism, diligently serving the interests of hostile powers and organizations, continuing to destroy its own economy, mediocrely squandering national wealth.
    As a result, in order to never again have such threats on Russian lands, these so-called. state formations that arose on our land due to a misunderstanding due to the betrayal of the so-called. elites, betrayals of the country's leadership, should be eliminated once and for all, and their mentions should remain only in fairy tales and legends. It's time to finally understand for centuries that the Russian lands and peoples, abandoned without control, are quickly turned by our enemies into weapons against us.
    Again, we must start with our "home", we ourselves are not all right, we ourselves, to put it mildly, are not very attractive to our neighbors. So we continue to serve and work for "effective managers", who, for the most part, rushed all over the world to save their investments and look for new "hacks", having long spit on their country, they have their own parallel world. And so we continue, bashfully averting our eyes, to keep quiet that more than 80% of enterprises do not belong to us, that retail chains are totally foreign. Even now, in the course of "carpet", total and no longer selective repressions and sanctions, when there is an opportunity to nationalize everything and return it to the state, "gifted" from Yale, Higher School, etc., continue to cling to some already mythical international laws and organizations such as The WTO and the IMF, when the entire "Western" world has long since switched from laws to "rules". And VO on an independent one, this is already a special case in the general series of events, the result of a 30-year infantile, situational, mediocre policy, both the Baltic states and Central Asia are on the way, Kazakhstan is becoming especially relevant, which is much more dangerous than Svidomo.
    1. frog
      frog 24 August 2022 09: 06
      +1
      What are you?? Do we really have the problems you describe?? Ai-ay-yay!....... How is that?!
      A significant part of those present believes that all the troubles are due to neighbors, near and far .... They need to let the yushka up, right up to the hot one, and everything will be tip-top. It was said about such characters more than 80 years ago
      This is the type of person who is looking for solutions to his shabby problems in the open belly of his neighbor. But since no solutions are found in these bellies, the problems remain unresolved, and the bellies rip open further.

      I won't quote in more detail.
  27. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 22 August 2022 14: 22
    +3
    From a biological point of view, man is an animal. Millions of years of primitive life genetically laid the response to stress - "hit" and "run".
    From a biological point of view, the desire of people to self-organize in society is a modified herd instinct. The state's ability to mobilize in difficult times is a test of the maturity of such a society. In a society where there is intensive development, there is a great demand for scientists and engineers. This is not very noticeable yet. But the tendency to atomize society with the help of the coronavirus remains. This is in a country at war!!! It's time to unite, make demands on the leaders, and finally introduce a firing squad for failure to fulfill tasks of national importance
  28. Bronik
    Bronik 22 August 2022 15: 52
    +2
    But someone blew into the ears of the Supreme that the operation would be lightning fast and the neighbor would fall to her knees. But something went wrong. The seventh month has gone, and the same front line, as it stood 3 km from Donetsk, is still standing. Am I right or not?
    1. frog
      frog 22 August 2022 18: 27
      +2
      And the Supreme, by definition, must believe in any garbage? And in reptilians?
      1. aglet
        aglet 23 August 2022 10: 56
        +1
        "And the Supreme, by definition, must believe in all sorts of garbage? And in reptilians?"
        well, I believed it. but about reptilians, maybe in the next bull he will notify laughing
    2. aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 20: 29
      +3
      Well, who blew about the minimum wage of 40 thousand. That the entire population supports it. That everything is unique and there are no analogues.
  29. ivan2022
    ivan2022 22 August 2022 15: 56
    +1
    It is normal to work, to see the forest for the trees, to think everything over, to be interested in the deed, and not in the external form - all this can be done by a person living in a society where laws, instructions, rules, moral norms, even if NOT perfect, are clearly followed....

    And where everyone doesn’t care about everything, surprises await you at every step, it is natural that no one does what he is obliged to do, but stubbornly climbs where he is not asked - then the work can only be NOT normal.
  30. Kuziming
    Kuziming 22 August 2022 16: 38
    +6
    Point by point:
    1. Reasoning about waving a saber and panic.
    The commander must not only think, but also make decisions. If the commander does not make a decision, his subordinates will die.
    2. Mobilization of the economy.
    Our Economy:
    - Not self-sufficient;
    - Vulnerable to a number of key technologies;
    - Has an intermediate structure between raw materials and developing;
    - Lagging behind in modern technology.

    Now a proxy war is being waged against our country, the enemy is receiving high-tech weapons.
    We are faced with the task of eliminating the technological gap on the battlefield.
    Do I need to do this?
    You can look for "balance points" and follow the path of Yanukovych.
    You can try to give a damn about the technological gap, and fill up the battlefield with a mobilized mass.
    I will not consider these two options here, smart people already understand everything, and it is useless to prove to fools.

    Therefore, in my opinion, it is necessary to eliminate the technological gap

    How to do it?
    This is not realistic within the framework of a market economy system.
    We need central planning, a clear setting of tasks, the definition of deadlines, and the allocation of funds.
    It must be understood that these funds will never be recovered, will not bring any profit to any shareholders.
    This is a way of solving the problem of the survival of the state.
    The only way to accomplish this task is to centrally manage the process and mobilize the economy.
    The undershirt joke is original, but giving small businesses a secured government order to make cotton socks for soldiers is fine. Enterprises will deploy additional capacities, employment will grow, vests will not suffer.

    Echoing the answer to your question, economic mobilization is a way to close the technological gap.
    The goal is victory.

    3. Passage about the F-22. It seems to me that one could give stories about the long way of developing new types of weapons, as a result of which no weapons appeared on the battlefield at all.
    I did not understand what idea you wanted to prove with this story.

    4. Stories about the DRG lead away from the main topic, without comment.

    5. The problem of Ukraine-Anti-Russia. This should have been thought about many years ago, this is a separate big topic.

    6. The production of baby undershirts cannot be opposed to the production of drones.
    I would love to talk about the supply of cotton and the tailoring of vests, but one cannot replace the other.
    For the production of drones, you need to gather technical specialists in one room, and drive slippery thieving types with dual citizenship out of the building.
    These specialists will draw up two production plans for you: one "on the knee", using imported components, the second, promising - based on their own base. Funding will already go under this plan, and the responsibility for implementation will be determined.
    Then it will work.
    1. seacap
      seacap 24 August 2022 12: 08
      +1
      Quote from Kuziming
      The commander must not only think, but also make decisions.

      The commander, first of all, must calculate and minimize all risks, having made a decision, put it into practice, strictly and unquestioningly exercise leadership, making the necessary adjustments in a changing situation, and most importantly, always be responsible for his decisions and the results of work, moreover, by an order of magnitude. higher, depending on the rank.
  31. Per se.
    Per se. 22 August 2022 16: 51
    +9
    SWO is stress. Even if you don't realize it. And there are characteristic demands “immediate mobilization”, “urgently everything on a war footing”, that very “saber wave” right and left, without disassembling one’s own or others.

    Characteristically, the key requirement is “immediately” and “urgently”, otherwise “everything is lost”.

    Denazification, demilitarization, pre-emptive strike, all in the President's impressive speech, to the beginning of the NWO.

    Further, the death of the cruiser Moskva, the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv, the abandonment of Snake Island, negotiations with those who were declared by the Nazis, grain deals.
    The topic of the article is not surprising, presumably, in order to fulfill the stated, there had to be real communists in power, and the country had to have a planned economy and a national idea.

    The rating was raised, and problems came up with show-offs, although Donbass was not recognized for 8 years, were they really preparing for the NWO, then why, while "they haven't even started yet", have the Banderaites killed few Russians in the Donbass?

    The author clearly fulfilled the order, where the basis is "everything is according to plan."
    Limonia country, a country without worries
    An underground passage leads to the country of Limonia, try to find it yourself
    I won't teach you
    Difficult road and deception everywhere
    But in order not to go astray, I have a plan, but I won't let you
    And don't you dare blame me


    Interestingly, when Berlin was taken in 1945, was the loyalty of the German population just as important, or did the demilitarization and denazification of Nazi Germany depend on something else?
  32. faterdom
    faterdom 22 August 2022 18: 21
    -1
    The Ukrainian old woman Anya came out to meet us (although she mixed it up and went out to the Nazis) with a red flag.
    And why are we advancing not with a red flag, but in Latin letters?
    After all, red banners, victorious, drenched in blood, are stronger than Nuland cookies, lacy trousers and State Department billions - they don’t even need to be untwisted. Everyone knows them. Remember and fear.
    And there is no need to talk about what it is, like, there, the flags of Lenin-Stalin and Trotsky, Zyuganov and Grudinin ...
    These are the flags of the Young Guards, soldiers of the army of Chuikov in Stalingrad, Yegorov and Kantaria at the Reichstag.
    But no, we are like that, yes, let them lie in the museum, informally there are replicas in the troops (thank you, they are not persecuted), on May 9 people wear and hang out on non-state ones! buildings. On May 9, we even have Stalingrad, the rest of the days of the year are Khrushchev's Volgograd.
    So, Baba Anya knows how to do it, but in the Kremlin they have not yet matured, so far only Konashenkov’s bummers, and Solovyov’s raids are not clear on anyone, when he screams for hours how bad everything is in the field of our same foreign affairs, and then for hours pours firs into the address of those who direct and organize these international relations with us.
  33. Kuziming
    Kuziming 22 August 2022 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: Mitroha
    We must not think thoughtlessly. We must think ahead, taking into account and calculating the possible impact

    Undoubtedly! I agree with you.

    But first of all, those who are obliged to do so by their official position should think.

    Well, the rest are optional.

    "Serfs shouldn't think, they should work."
    We heard you.
    1. aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx 22 August 2022 20: 33
      +1
      The plan to reduce pensioners has been fulfilled. Plan to reduce population enough to serve and protect natural resources launched
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  34. bk0010
    bk0010 22 August 2022 18: 25
    +2
    Need a spectacular public execution with beheading? Or do you need a solution to a problem?
    Often this is one and the same.
    Will destroyed life support infrastructure and Kyiv brought to its knees contribute to solving the problem of “Ukraine as anti-Russia”?
    Undoubtedly. Part of the resources going to the war, they will have to put on compensation mechanisms, otherwise the city will become depopulated. In addition, if you say that until the shelling of Donetsk stops, there will be no water and electricity in Kyiv, then this will make some people understand that the shelling of Donbas is not healthy at all.
  35. Sedoy
    Sedoy 22 August 2022 20: 17
    +1
    chronology of the creation of the F-22 aircraft.
    The competition for the creation of the aircraft and the requirements for it were formulated in 1981. First prototype - 1986. First pre-production vehicle - 1994. Start of mass production - 1997. Start of delivery - 2003. First formed squadron - 2005.
    Total - 24 years. This is in the "great and mighty" United States.

    cheap and crap manipulation... :)
    the United States did not wage war, developing it ...
    you don’t want to compare the “speed” of the transition to the military rails of industry and the creation of military equipment from scratch in the United States after entering the war ... :)
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 22 August 2022 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: Sedoy
      you don’t want to compare the “speed” of the transition to the military rails of industry and the creation of military equipment from scratch in the United States after entering the war ... :)
      Cheap and lazy manipulation. Compare the complexity of the technology of that era and modern aviation.
  36. Sedoy
    Sedoy 22 August 2022 20: 36
    0
    Will they contribute to the solution of the problem “Ukraine as anti-Russia”

    will be ... it will have to be cleaned up, nothing else is given ...
    Their key task is to create an “anti-Ukraine” from Russia and push these mutual anti-formations into a state of ongoing blood feud.

    this has already been done a long time ago - the brains are washed there thoroughly and forever ...
    The "blurring" of the issue had already taken place, when in the 50s the Banderlogs, at first they "regretted", and then the Khrushchev amnestied everyone ...
    moreover, many of them have taken positions of responsibility...
    that Kravchuk was a "juvenile" Bandera liaison, he was caught, but regretted - the kid they say, and this kid then won back his ...
    And there were a lot of them...
    all after the ruined riff-raff comes from the same ...
    Yushchenko is the son of a traitor who served the Fritz, etc.
    as soon as the opportunity arose, the infection bloomed violently ...
    all these well-wishers who are now yelling about education in Ukrainian but according to our textbooks are the same "Khrushchi" ...
    the author is from the same series ...
    "the non-hostile population of Ukraine" has been destroyed there since the late 80s, if the author is not in the know ...
    it is precisely due to the fact that "anti-Ukrainianism" has always been suppressed there - the falling lo sax owls are playing off ...
  37. acetophenone
    acetophenone 22 August 2022 23: 00
    +3
    And the task of Russia is to achieve the most convenient and stable position for itself in future negotiations on the structure of this world.
    With whom? With whom to negotiate? About what? From the USA? A country that lies, how does it breathe? With Zelinsky? With Offended Sausage? With other lifts? How can you be so STUPID? How much can you jump on a rake? Victor Stepanovich with his immortal: "This has never happened before, and now - again!" - jealously smokes!
    How long can you read and write, write and read such crap? Well, at least read Krylov, for example.
    WOLF AT PSARN
    Wolf, at night, thinking of climbing into a shepherd,
    Got into the kennel.
    Suddenly the whole kindergarten rose.
    Feeling the gray so close to the bully
    Dogs flooded in stables and are eager for a fight ;.
    Psari shout: “Ahti guys thief!”
    And instantly the gate to constipation;
    In a moment the kennel became hell.
    Run: another with dubai,
    Another with a gun.
    “Fire!” - shout: “fire!” They came with fire.
    My Wolf sits huddled in a corner backwards.
    Teeth snapping and bristling wool,
    Through the eyes, it seems, he would like to eat all;
    But seeing what is not in front of the herd,
    And what finally comes
    He counts for sheep, -
    My cunning went
    In negotiations
    And he began like this: “Friends! Why all this noise?
    I, your old matchmaker and godfather,
    I came to put up with you, not at all for a quarrel;
    Forget the past, set the general mood!
    And I, not only will not continue to touch the local herds,
    But he’s glad to bicker with others for them,
    And with a wolf oath I affirm
    What am I ... "-" Listen, neighbor, "
    Then the hunter interrupted in response:
    “You're gray, and I, mate, sed,
    And I have known your wolf for a long time;
    Therefore, my custom:
    With wolves, do not do world otherwise
    How to skin them off. ”
    And then he released a pack of hounds on the Wolf.
  38. Popenko
    Popenko 23 August 2022 04: 45
    +1
    I think that the main problem is that we are liberating the territories where our people mainly live. And arrange carpet bombardments, interfering with the dirt of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ours - not comme il faut. My opinion is a retired sofa expert, to wipe everything that goes beyond the boundaries of the returned territories into powder, following the example of mattress covers. Worse than it is, relations with the West and Ukraine will no longer be.
    1. Kuziming
      Kuziming 23 August 2022 07: 57
      0
      Unfortunately, that's not what matters now.
      We got into a situation where a bad neighbor came to us to wave his fists, and we let each other bleed. And the scum from the side threw a knife to the bad neighbor.
      In this situation, our task is not to reflect on the reasons for the misbehavior of a neighbor, what made him so evil, and what good relations we had with him in the past.
      Our task is to compensate for his advantage, to find a stick, stone, or our knife.
      And not to talk about what bastards are bad, and how we will then negotiate with them so that they respect us and not touch us.
      We Need Weapons.
  39. Aag
    Aag 23 August 2022 16: 03
    +1
    Dear participants of the forum "VO"! If anyone is more comfortable, gentlemen!
    Please think about both. And, especially, - undecided! ...
    After reading all the comments (see the time of sending the message), I am in ... a quandary (I think - I'm not the only one, ... of those who don't, "don't care" ...).
    I confess - I "otplysoval", "minus" almost all commentators. Criterion (?), - agree - disagree. If the commentator was able to provide more or less convincing confirmation of his opinions, views, arguments ... Even if his theses are unpleasant, I correct "minus" to "plus".
    Sorry, I didn’t say anything new. (Convincing scoundrels to be righteous, ... people affiliated in one or another structure, is a utopia.).
    That's what we live with...
    hi
    1. legend of the nation
      legend of the nation 27 August 2022 07: 40
      0
      but it always seemed to me that people come to the forum to read and talk about opinions ... and you consider the pros and cons, put .... mdya ..... but you don’t have more interesting classes ?? fool
  40. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 23 August 2022 16: 28
    +1
    That is, boxes with power supplies and military equipment abandoned without protection right in the field near the railway. ways, worthless protection of military airfields with aircraft equipment worth hundreds of millions each, a ruined missile cruiser, a ruined large landing craft and the list goes on - no need to demand that the guilty be found, right? Need to correct mistakes? Author, think about what you write ... After all, those officials and officers who must make thoughtful decisions, clearly fulfill their duties and instructions, scored on them. Their decisions led to tragedies. As a result, people died. Lost expensive equipment. And you ask us to demand that they fulfill their duties clearly. Which they already, a priori, must fulfill, they do not need to be asked about it! Do we need to understand and forgive them? That is, the military commander made the wrong decision because of his stupidity, or an ordinary soldier violated instructions, a terrible emergency occurred, and ... No need to demand their punishment, you need to ask them to correct themselves! So? Rave.
  41. odisey3000
    odisey3000 23 August 2022 20: 01
    +2
    The trouble is that the government itself, let's call it not critical, does not know what to do. The first plan to create something alternative to Zelensky and the company failed miserably. Some strange negotiations began, gestures of goodwill., That is, the authorities were a little shocked by what is happening and what happened, because foolishly almost half of Ukraine was not seized at first. After all, the agenda of the ball is such The liberation of the territories of the LPR and the DPR and the recognition of Crimea, or am I confusing something. Again, everything went wrong, protracted battles began. and the Zaporozhye region, again the authorities do not know what to do with it. In fact, everything that our authorities are doing now in Ukraine is like a blind man wandering to the touch without a guide. All hope is only for the army, they will suddenly win .. Now at the current stage, what to do with these areas , because it became clear to everyone that we were already talking about the liquidation of Ukraine in the administrative division in which it exists now. Zelensky will never sit down at the negotiating table, where the partition of Ukraine will be discussed. What’s next, everyone understands that nothing will happen without victory on the battlefield. And what is the plan for where the allied forces will have to stop and what to do with the rest of Ukraine. It seems no one knows about this and does not understand what to do. In general, our politicians have again found themselves in one bad place. Strength must be supported by a well-thought-out policy. And we don’t have this policy. authorities without these nationalists, nothing will work out by itself, the Russian state authorities need to work in this direction, and not look at everything that is happening from the outside as it is now
  42. legend of the nation
    legend of the nation 27 August 2022 07: 38
    +1
    Your text is one continuous demagogy and nothing more .... everything in theory is "beautiful and understandable" - and you try in practice something other than this very BLA-BLAnegative