Turkish President: Zelensky agreed that the armed conflict should be completed at the negotiating table

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Turkish President: Zelensky agreed that the armed conflict should be completed at the negotiating table

The office of the President of Ukraine announced that during negotiations with António Guterres and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the issue of a possible end to the armed conflict was discussed. The information was also confirmed by the President of Turkey, according to whom Zelensky "agreed in principle that the armed conflict should be ended at the negotiating table."

Recep Tayyip Erdogan:



The UN Secretary General expressed the same principled agreement on this issue. We discussed in a trilateral format possible ways to end this conflict.

The negotiations themselves lasted less than an hour. What could be discussed during this time is a big question.

According to the head of Turkey, now he will discuss the results of the negotiations that took place in Lvov with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Meanwhile, the first assessments of Zelensky's meeting with Erdogan and Guterres appeared abroad and in Ukraine. In a number of European media, materials are published with cautious optimism in connection with the statements of Zelensky's office about "the agreement that the armed conflict must be ended through negotiations." True, at the same time, experts are at a loss as to what negotiating positions Kyiv and Moscow can take. These positions are completely different.

In turn, the Ukrainian media demonstrate excessive information agitation. A number of representatives of these media urge Zelensky to speak with Russia either "from a position of strength" or "not to speak at all." At the same time, Ukrainian “experts” do not specify how the president of a country that has lost about 22% of its territory, lost about 35% of its annual GDP in the economy and lives solely on loans that are not always issued “like clockwork” can speak “from a position of strength” Western sponsors of the regime, and whose military component is based solely on the supply of Western weapons and ammunition.
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  1. +45
    18 August 2022 19: 41
    given that the authorities of the Russian Federation have not yet recognized the regime in Ukraine as a terrorist one, it seems to me that they also hope for negotiations. If this happens, in general, nothing will change, just the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO will terrorize slightly different territories
    1. +37
      18 August 2022 19: 55
      Zelensky’s position regarding negotiations, withdraw troops to the line of demarcation until February 24, 2022 (the same wiring as with a gesture of goodwill when Russia withdrew troops from near Kyiv without receiving anything in return except for a provocation in Bucha and cries of victory over Russia) and we will start negotiations where again, the question of returning Crimea to Ukraine will be raised according to the same Zelensky. Who needs such negotiations? These are not negotiations. These are essentially the terms of surrender. They sat and dispersed, each in his own way. And no wonder. After all, for the West, the main goal is not to resolve the crisis, but to remove Putin from power through the crisis. Quickly, provided that Putin agrees to withdraw troops to the dividing line before February 24, 2022, saddling the discontent of the people with such a possible decision or for a long time, continuing the war of attrition and torpedoing any peace initiatives, again hoping for a rebellion against Putin due to fatigue from the conflict and its consequences. Zelensky does not decide anything, he is only a talking head who voices what the West tells him.

      Our source in the OP said that Zelensky, at a meeting with Erdogan, refused to negotiate peace with Russia until the Kremlin withdraws troops to the borders on February 24.


      https://t.me/s/avdeevkaru
      1. +3
        18 August 2022 20: 53
        There will be no withdrawal of troops for sure!
        The mayor of Krasnodar resigned after information about his appointment as Kharkiv prime minister. Alekseenko will take the post of chairman of the council of ministers of the administration of the Kharkiv region, Kommersant's sources in the presidential administration and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov said, citing sources.

        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/08/2022/62fe238f9a7947b406c86b14?ysclid=l6zcaf3q5x924724201
        1. -18
          18 August 2022 21: 08
          Unfortunately, based on the current situation, there is essentially no military solution, if only the West suddenly throws Ukraine away, then yes, but now, in the current situation, this is a war for more than one year. These are multiple casualties and catastrophic destruction. Russia, unlike the United States, cannot stupidly print banknotes and sell them to suckers. At some point, resources will begin to deplete, and moreover, human ones .. And so there are already problems with personnel on the front line .. So, the likelihood of negotiations is growing. And it is not known what the authorities of the Russian Federation can go to. For a good gesheft and Kherson can be drained easily. Unfortunately, when I start thinking aloud, that is, writing what comes to my mind, all my writings, at some point, begin to come true, if not one hundred percent, then very close to the text ..
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 21: 27
            Our problems are not only with military equipment, but with high-precision weapons, judging by how small quantities they are used per day. Its manufacture is a long and expensive process. The same X 29T missile, as an example, costs 18.5 million apiece, given the scale of the conflict in Ukraine, these missiles need tens of thousands, and 10000 of these missiles of the Ministry of Defense will cost 180 billion rubles. The same LMUR price per piece is 6.4 million rubles. thousands will be needed here already for these two positions, huge purchase costs go out, not to mention how much everything else is needed - in economic terms, Russia obviously cannot pull such purchases, trillions and trillions of rubles, but the longer the conflict, the more destruction in Ukraine will be and the more we will have to restore and this is already tens of trillions of rubles that will simply be nowhere to take in the coming years, as the economy will stagnate.
            1. +4
              18 August 2022 21: 35
              How can a high-precision weapon be cheap when no one launches it in a large series? So this is the cost. And in order for a series to be interested in this series, and in order for it to be, you need to have a general who thinks in modern categories and does not lag behind the times. And then only thanks to the SVO, they began to massively use the same UAVs to adjust artillery fire, and many former generals of our army called this a breakthrough.
              1. -5
                19 August 2022 00: 34
                Everything you say is right. You immediately feel like a techie.
              2. -3
                19 August 2022 12: 36
                How much MO is allocated from the budget for that, it is happy to buy equipment for as much and does everything else.
            2. +4
              18 August 2022 22: 41
              a surplus of 1.37 trillion rubles over these six months could and will be spent
            3. +3
              19 August 2022 00: 31
              What does it mean that Russia will not pull such purchases? She pulled palaces and yachts to lackeys, but here she won’t pull it?
              Yes, and it's not a momentary investment of the bobble. They are, and full of gold. But what's the point if there are no factories, no competent personnel. There are a lot of effective dumb-headed people from their vertical, but they don’t know how to create and build anything.
              1. -1
                19 August 2022 12: 37
                Are palaces and yachts worth trillions of rubles? "But what's the point if there are no factories, no competent personnel." Finish this nonsense of writing military-industrial complex enterprises to hell and more than tens of thousands of subcontractors - everything depends on money, namely the size of the order from the Moscow Region, how many MO orders so many enterprises and make and the production time is set by the military.
                1. -1
                  19 August 2022 20: 07
                  Taken together, all the yachts and palaces of our hard-working and smartest oligarchs, yes, are worth trillions.
                  Do you work for the GOZ? I do. Everything that we produce cannot be made on the domestic component base, simply because it does not exist. For it to exist, trillions of rubles had to be poured into it 15 years ago. Including in education and science. So don't tell me how our spaceships roam the universe.
                  If you collect 9 women in a bunch, then in a month they will not give birth to a child. Remember this, and all the effective ones are with you. And the military can set deadlines to the user, but they are constantly shifting to the right, and in 90% and in general everything is curtailed, like the same Angstrem T plant.
                  You are not at all in the subject, in any way, but with a good face, bless the truth. Bravo!!!
            4. +1
              19 August 2022 05: 38
              These are purchase prices, it has nothing to do with real ones.
              1. 0
                19 August 2022 12: 40
                These are the real prices.
          2. +3
            18 August 2022 21: 48
            "Unfortunately, based on the current situation, there is essentially no military solution."
            There are a lot of nuances here, starting from a half-bump war, continuing with an undermobilized economy / society, ending with military-political decisions that are unpleasant in time.
            1. +1
              19 August 2022 00: 37
              And what kind of war, in principle, if it is an NWO? And they shouted that we would take Kyiv in a week.
          3. +2
            18 August 2022 22: 26
            Quote: AwaZ
            For a good gesheft and Kherson can be easily drained

            There is no reason to think so.
            Except perhaps your desire to submit your comment with a spicier sauce.

            Moreover, all the actions of the Kremlin indicate otherwise.
            1. -4
              19 August 2022 00: 39
              And what are all the actions of the Kremlin? At the moment, it seems to me, the Kremlin is in a stupor. And they even stopped writing about the sun-faced in the newspapers.
              1. -1
                19 August 2022 07: 11
                Quote: Zoer
                At the moment it seems to me

                It is necessary to be baptized when it seems.
            2. +1
              19 August 2022 06: 27
              Moreover, all the actions of the Kremlin indicate otherwise.

              The current Kremlin can do and say whatever it wants. I remember one figure all rattled his tongue that while I'm here the retirement age will not rise. This is one example.
              1. -1
                19 August 2022 08: 19
                Quote: Dimy4
                The current Kremlin can do and say whatever it wants

                Yes, and there are not enough commentators on VO for the language.
                They write whatever they get.
                1. +1
                  19 August 2022 09: 07
                  Yes, and there are not enough commentators on VO for the language.
                  They write whatever they get.

                  Decision-making in the country and the attitude towards it in the world do not depend on commentators at VO. Commentators simply express their positive or negative attitude towards the events. They have a right.
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2022 09: 13
                    Quote: Dimy4
                    Decision-making in the country and the attitude towards it in the world do not depend on commentators on VO.

                    The logic is like this.
                    Nothing dedends on me.
                    Because I can write whatever comes into my head.

                    Quote: Dimy4
                    Commentators simply express their positive or negative attitude to current events. They have a right.

                    On Ukrainian resources, they argue about the same.
                    They do have a right.
                    1. +2
                      19 August 2022 10: 27
                      Quote: Flood
                      Because I can write whatever comes into my head.

                      No, not because of this, but because no one has canceled freedom of speech in our country.
            3. 0
              19 August 2022 08: 15
              the vertical of power in the Russian Federation in the form that we see has existed for 20 years. Well, yes, if you live on another planet and do not see what they threw out before and what they are doing now, then you can believe in your idea. reality is more prosaic. They were not dragged into the war. And now, when it becomes clear that the war is going to exhaustion and, first of all, to the exhaustion of Russia and the exhaustion of those oligarchs who are behind the supreme, they begin to fuss a little. Remember what Dimon said if the Armed Forces of Ukraine try to attack the Crimea? Well, where is this Dimon? Sits quietly now and keeps quiet. They hold some kind of stupid exhibitions and parades, and the fighters in the trenches do not even have a decent first-aid kit and have serious problems with ammunition and logistics, as well as with technical equipment. The problems with radio communications have not really been resolved, the fighters are fighting on old Soviet equipment, they have even reached t 62. And do not say that this is a tricky move. These are the bells that exhaustion is happening .. And after that the topic will go on that it is necessary to somehow agree.
              It is already obvious that if you fight, then it will be for a long time, and sooo long. Therefore , anyway , sooner or later the authorities of the Russian Federation will start to back down . Either they have to come up with something so that Ukraine would fall.
              1. +1
                19 August 2022 08: 23
                Quote: AwaZ
                the vertical of power in the Russian Federation in the form that we see has existed for 20 years

                There is no need to rant a lot, paint all the numerous mistakes over the past eleven years.
                And all in order to justify their words

                Quote: AwaZ
                For a good gesheft and Kherson can be easily drained
              2. -1
                19 August 2022 10: 32
                Well, yes, and the calibers somehow no longer fly. And the GDP from the TV screens stopped puffing out the cheeks.
          4. +18
            18 August 2022 23: 28
            Quote: AwaZ
            Unfortunately, based on the current situation at the moment, there is essentially no military solution

            and what is there?
            unfinished SVO means the defeat of Russia and its possible destruction
            1. +2
              19 August 2022 12: 10
              I should have thought ahead and prepared. If the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were ready and understood what awaited them and acted reasonably prudently and adequately, then now everything would be different. at the moment, all this tediousness, if the RF Armed Forces suddenly do not abruptly reach some other and higher level of skill, everything can end (or even go) in a shameful world.
              You can't win a war with calibers. Yes, and their resource is limited too. Even with calibers, they did not destroy the military logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in six months. Their refineries have been reopened and gasoline is already worth quite adequate money. The railways are operating normally. Echelons with equipment are already being transported without any minimal means of disguise. Yes, they even travel in columns on the front line. In six months, all this could be figured out how to neutralize it.
              1. 0
                19 August 2022 14: 01
                for a specific question, please answer as specifically
                1. -1
                  19 August 2022 20: 34
                  this question is not for me. In the Supreme, ask it. I'm just commenting on what I have
          5. -7
            19 August 2022 00: 28
            "Nostradamus" you are ours, "couch".

            You often beat yourself on the hands when the itch for writing appears. Look, you'll get fewer dislikes.
            1. -2
              19 August 2022 12: 13
              Well , offer us your vision ? Let's break at least. Although I don’t watch TV much, it happens that they say on the news I hear and some kind of “analysts” still talk nonsense on TV, I also sometimes hear them and go nuts. Therefore, do not repeat their words.
          6. +1
            19 August 2022 05: 42
            RF is not at war. Neither hydrogen nor vacuum or the like are used. Retreat will be a fiasco, a collapse, a shame and a huge risk of political destabilization, the Kremlin understands this and is unlikely to give back, rather they will level the whole of Ukraine with yars, not sparing the civilians as they are now.
        2. -4
          18 August 2022 21: 17
          Quote: RED_ICE
          There will be no withdrawal of troops for sure!
          The mayor of Krasnodar resigned after information about his appointment as Kharkiv prime minister. Alekseenko will take the post of chairman of the council of ministers of the administration of the Kharkiv region, Kommersant's sources in the presidential administration and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov said, citing sources.

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/08/2022/62fe238f9a7947b406c86b14?ysclid=l6zcaf3q5x924724201

          And what% of the Kharkiv region was occupied by the Russian Federation?
          1. +2
            18 August 2022 21: 21
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: RED_ICE
            There will be no withdrawal of troops for sure!
            The mayor of Krasnodar resigned after information about his appointment as Kharkiv prime minister. Alekseenko will take the post of chairman of the council of ministers of the administration of the Kharkiv region, Kommersant's sources in the presidential administration and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov said, citing sources.

            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/08/2022/62fe238f9a7947b406c86b14?ysclid=l6zcaf3q5x924724201

            And what% of the Kharkiv region was occupied by the Russian Federation?


            Do you want to buy how many percent of the Kharkiv region? Do you make investments for the future? laughing You are on the right path comrade.
            1. +6
              18 August 2022 21: 30
              Quote from: neworange88
              Want to buy some percent of the Kharkiv region

              So yes. While there housing and businesses at bargain prices. It's time for the speculators to stir.
            2. +10
              18 August 2022 22: 27
              Quote from: neworange88
              Do you want to buy how many percent of the Kharkiv region? Do you make investments for the future? You are on the right path comrade.

              Quote: 30 vis
              So yes. While there housing and businesses at bargain prices. It's time for the speculators to stir.

              I have already bought a Kent from Israel there three apartments for 500 thousand bucks
              In Kharkov
              One year before SVO
              Now bites elbows and ears Yes
              But I warned him not to invest in the ass of the third world negative
              1. +3
                18 August 2022 22: 34
                It was necessary to agitate for Krasnodar. Or do you keep good advice for yourself? Krasnodar in terms of population is unofficially comparable to Kharkov. Krasnodar has almost 2 million inhabitants, although officially a little more than a million. Yes, and it is being built up quickly.
                1. 0
                  19 August 2022 09: 25
                  Campaigned. He looked linearly - huts in Kharkov are cheap, and the cost of rent is higher than in Krasnodar. In the end, people got.
              2. +7
                19 August 2022 00: 42
                What kind of apartments are these and also in Kharkov for half a lama byaks? You can buy a whole apartment building in the elite with this money.
                1. 0
                  19 August 2022 08: 20
                  rubles of course
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2022 09: 26
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    rubles of course

                    Dollars, Nastya, dollars
                    1. +1
                      19 August 2022 09: 42
                      30 lyam? in Sochi you can buy a three-ruble note for 15-17 in a new house, and our prices are the same as in Moscow
                      1. 0
                        19 August 2022 10: 55
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        30 lyam? in Sochi you can buy a three-ruble note for 15-17 in a new house, and our prices are the same as in Moscow

                        And he bought several apartments in Kharkov.
                      2. 0
                        19 August 2022 11: 08
                        500 ye it turns out for all the huts?
                2. 0
                  19 August 2022 09: 25
                  He took several, furnished, in various good areas.
          2. -5
            18 August 2022 21: 44
            Why do you need it?
          3. +5
            18 August 2022 22: 17
            So far, about a third. The part beyond the Seversky Donets and the buffer near the border. The CAA is still based in Kupyansk.
            1. +3
              18 August 2022 22: 20
              Quote: g1v2
              So far, about a third. The part beyond the Seversky Donets and the buffer near the border. The CAA is still based in Kupyansk.

              Clear. Thank.
          4. +1
            18 August 2022 22: 39
            Interest is such a thing, they can grow, and grow quite quickly laughing
      2. +14
        18 August 2022 21: 00
        The war with Ukraine cannot be ended with negotiations on orders from the outside. Ukraine will stink until it is reborn, and this does not require negotiations.
        No matter how much the grandmothers on the benches gossip, they will not be written down later on the birth certificate. And until this happens, there will be nothing at all - only gossip and filth will become more, no matter who makes any further statements.
      3. +2
        18 August 2022 21: 37
        If Vladimir Vladimirovich and his edros had not trampled down the political clearing so diligently, then there would have been room for maneuver. As in the USA - they screwed up, they reshuffled parties and are clean again, they blame everything on the previous administration and the president. Then we need the current opposition and feedback through fair elections.
        In our country, the patriot Rokhlin was killed, the Westerner Nemtsov was killed, the liberal Navalny was sent to prison, the communists Rashkin and Grudinin were hunted down.
        In our tradition - everything is on the line, hit or miss. This is, of course, amazing how effective it is in a successful scenario, but if not? Again senseless and merciless?
        Patriots will not forgive a separate peace, liberals will not forgive arrests, everyone else will not forgive humiliation and a drop in living standards.
        So - only victory.
        1. -9
          18 August 2022 21: 39
          Or defeat...
        2. +2
          18 August 2022 22: 37
          Communist Grudinin just sounds funny somehow. Communist Rashkin, however, too laughing
          1. +3
            18 August 2022 23: 21
            Communist, liberal, democrat, then lifelong dictator and Orthodox security officer Putin doesn't sound funny?
            Glad it lifted my spirits. Do not lose faith in the good king, it makes life easier.
            1. 0
              19 August 2022 00: 02
              And where did you get the idea that I am a king? laughing You have some strange political deformation.
              1. -3
                19 August 2022 00: 44
                There is one)
      4. +10
        18 August 2022 22: 36
        Yes, the troops were withdrawn from the Kyiv direction only because they did not grow together according to plan "A". Well, perhaps they wanted to negotiate something with this before moving on to plan "B". It’s not worth talking about the “goodwill gesture”, you don’t work at the Foreign Ministry, and we are not the UN here laughing
      5. 0
        19 August 2022 10: 55
        (the same wiring as with a gesture of goodwill when Russia withdrew troops from near Kyiv without receiving anything in return except for a provocation in Bucha and cries of victory over Russia)
        belay What "distribution"??? What is this: the relationship between swindlers and simpletons or politicians from different states?! The simplest and most logical explanation for this situation has been given more than once (including by commentators here), it lies in the real military-political situation that prevailed at that time. In other words, it was impossible not to retreat...
    2. +7
      18 August 2022 20: 52
      Given that

      "Tonight, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a new attack on the ammunition depot using the Himars multiple launch rocket system. The attack was delivered only 16 kilometers from the border of the Donetsk and Rostov regions, while, judging by the numerous gaps, we are talking about a fairly large ammunition depot. " (c) a Petal mines are already being thrown into the Shebekinsky district of the Belgorod region, the idea of ​​​​negotiations can be considered very fruitful.
      This warehouse is more than 90 km from the line of contact. Have you installed new missiles?
      1. +16
        18 August 2022 21: 15
        Well, what do you want? This is the result of the fact that we turn a blind eye not only to the supply of weapons from the West, without strictly cutting off their supply to the front, without processing the lines of communication, but all the time we cannot determine and adhere to a hard line. Our position is like God will put it on your soul. Either negotiations, or non-negotiations. You can play it out this way. Ukraine, in fact, is now doing the same thing that Russia did at the beginning of the NWO - destroying warehouses, which allowed Russia to turn the tide of events. Ukraine is also trying to change the situation in its favor, and we are just looking at it. And because it was impossible to allow these missiles reached the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And now we have the result of our inactivity. And how long will we have enough ammunition, given their huge daily consumption and the fact that one warehouse after another is on fire. Question. Only Ukraine will be supplied with shells from the West, and who will supply them to us. Therefore, it is necessary to quickly bring down the oporniks while there is something and complete the SVO in your favor quickly, and not pull the cat by the tail, otherwise the scales may swing in the other direction.
        1. +5
          18 August 2022 21: 23
          Quote from: neworange88
          Well, what do you want? This is the result of the fact that we turn a blind eye not only to the supply of weapons from the West, without strictly cutting off their supply to the front, without processing the lines of communication, but all the time we cannot determine and adhere to a hard line. Our position is like God will put it on your soul. Either negotiations, or non-negotiations. You can play it out this way. Ukraine, in fact, is now doing the same thing that Russia did at the beginning of the NWO - destroying warehouses, which allowed Russia to turn the tide of events. Ukraine is also trying to change the situation in its favor, and we are just looking at it. And because it was impossible to allow these missiles reached the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And now we have the result of our inactivity. And how long will we have enough ammunition, given their huge daily consumption and the fact that one warehouse after another is on fire. Question. Only Ukraine will be supplied with shells from the West, and who will supply them to us. Therefore, it is necessary to quickly bring down the oporniks while there is something and complete the SVO in your favor quickly, and not pull the cat by the tail, otherwise the scales may swing in the other direction.

          Don't you think that the Russian Armed Forces are doing everything they can and accusing them of inaction is somewhat unsightly?
          1. +3
            18 August 2022 21: 41
            Let's face it, we could and should have done more. By inaction, I mean specifically the ability to cut off the supply of weapons from the West, and not the inaction of the army in general. APU. And now let's loosen up.
            1. 0
              18 August 2022 21: 44
              Are you sure you could?
              1. +2
                18 August 2022 22: 04
                Quote: Sergey Trunoff
                Are you sure you could?


                If you act seriously, wisely, without any persuasion and veal tenderness, using the full power of the armed forces, and not a limited contingent, then yes.
                1. +4
                  18 August 2022 22: 11
                  If Rozhdestvensky could have won at Tsushima, then why didn’t he win? If Hitler could take Moscow, why didn't he? If Great Britain, the USSR and the USA could win in Afghanistan, why didn't they win?
                  1. -3
                    18 August 2022 22: 15
                    Quote: Sergey Trunoff
                    If Rozhdestvensky could have won at Tsushima, then why didn’t he win? If Hitler could take Moscow, why didn't he? If Great Britain, the USSR and the USA could win in Afghanistan, why didn't they win?


                    So this is fate.
                    1. 0
                      18 August 2022 22: 17
                      Exactly. If they couldn't, then they couldn't.
                  2. +1
                    19 August 2022 00: 49
                    What's wrong with the US in Afghanistan?
                    They spent 2 trillion dollars on a special operation. Affiliated US firms have earned $2 trillion from the opiate trade (according to UN data). So everything is fine - just a redistribution of funds. They left weapons to the Taliban by agreement - this is confirmed by the Taliban themselves. So there are only two points that are in their minus: 1) they lost several American soldiers and did not take out the allies; 2) the Taliban do not want to comply with the agreements on organizing "hot spots" near our borders. Well, not all CBOs are perfect.
                    1. 0
                      19 August 2022 02: 35
                      We can say that the states played a giveaway! Stupidly sat in Kabul and waited for the arrival of the guard. Post passed, post accepted. They staged a flight pretending to be weak. Famously blew dust in the eyes! But world opinion has calmed down that the states are weak. Aha! After leaving Afghanistan, they concentrated on Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Of course, I do not exclude that Russia also wants to play giveaway with the negotiations. Perhaps the Kremlin wants to know the plans of the West from Zelensky and compare them with reports going to the leadership. Perhaps this is a PR company to show, you see! We are trying to reach an agreement! And they!? Although the result is initially known, it will go down in history as an attempt at peace negotiations.
              2. -1
                18 August 2022 22: 09
                Most likely, they could, or rather, they can, but this will also stop the economy of Ukraine at the same time, and the Kremlin does not want this.
          2. +7
            18 August 2022 21: 48
            Indeed, I emphasize many, many times without a political decision in the Kremlin, we simply cannot win. Why there is no solution is an open question.
            1. +3
              19 August 2022 02: 52
              Indeed, I emphasize many, many times without a political decision in the Kremlin, we simply cannot win. Why there is no solution is an open question.
              Probably because hard times give birth to strong people. Let's remember Lenin, Stalin. They didn't have money. Well-fed times give birth to weak people. After the collapse of the USSR, people came to power sleeping on bags of money. And what have they done for the country over the years? As long as people go to power according to financial calculations, there will be no firm decisions due to personal financial vulnerability. Let all officials and deputies make salaries at the minimum wage. I think there will be a lot of vacancies. The story seems to be moving in a spiral. Like PMV. Patrotism gives way to commerce and decadence, which overthrow the king and bring demagogues to power. They are replaced by strong people who have gathered and restored the country. Busy times are coming. Weak people like Gorbachev come to power. The same circle and the same rake.
          3. +2
            18 August 2022 21: 51
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Don't you think that the Russian Armed Forces are doing everything they can and accusing them of inaction is somewhat unsightly?

            Of course, in what is, in quantity, in the NWO mode and with a frankly relaxed rear.
          4. +1
            19 August 2022 01: 47
            Let's just say, not the Russian Armed Forces, but the group that exists at the moment.
        2. -3
          19 August 2022 00: 51
          Quote from: neworange88
          Well, what do you want?

          And what do you want? Find the damned General Pupkin and Private Petrov, who prevent a quick unconditional victory? Is it really incomprehensible that within the current framework of the NMD, the army is fighting at the limit. Declare martial law and mobilization? Well, maybe after the zeroed elections it will be so.
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      3. -1
        19 August 2022 01: 22
        You were personally informed that it was Himars
    3. +2
      18 August 2022 20: 54
      Another arsenal set on fire am
      An ammunition depot caught fire near the village of Timonovo, Valuysky urban district, Belgorod region, said the governor of the region, Vyacheslav Gladkov.

      According to preliminary data, there are no victims or injured. Residents of the villages of Timonovo and Solokhi are taken to a safe distance.

      Earlier it was reported that a large number of petal mines were found after shelling by Ukraine on the territory of the Shebekinsky urban district of the Belgorod region.
      1. +14
        18 August 2022 21: 03
        Plus a warehouse in Amvrosievka, only 5 warehouses in the last short time. Amvrosievka mb the arrival of the Himars, otherwise there are obvious security holes. And we, as our respected leader says, "haven't even started yet."
        1. +11
          18 August 2022 21: 32
          Judging by the lapse of 6 months and the fact that the situation for ours is only getting worse - and nothing is happening on the part of the General Staff and the government, we can confidently say that we simply have nothing to start with except further noodles about the next red lines, strikes on decision-making centers, etc.
          1. +5
            18 August 2022 21: 53
            The General Staff is unlikely to have anything to do with it, the unanswered crossing of red lines is pure politics.
            1. -1
              19 August 2022 12: 59
              The General Staff is very much more than that - what did they think when this war started on February 24th, everyone could see that no one was preparing the operation, just the troops were initially pulled in for exercises, no one planned to fight with anyone, but Putin made a really rash impulse decision and this decision was for one day on the 23rd - that the generals, led by Shoigu, could not tell him that such actions should be carefully prepared for at least six months and the grouping of ground forces should be increased many times over to create hundreds of new BTGs, but apparently everyone in the government and the General Staff sat on a point, even Naryshkin and he landed neither careful reconnaissance nor a massive strike in the first days of the war against all warehouses, airfields, bases and positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, neither logistics support nor marching guards of columns, nor additional protection of armored vehicles with the same hinged armored screens - we are still raking in Ukraine and we will rake for a very long time losing people and technology.
          2. -6
            18 August 2022 23: 37
            Quote: Vadim237
            we can say with confidence that ours simply has nothing to start with except further noodles about the next red lines

            You most importantly fix this confidence of yours.
            In a couple of months to give back beautifully and with dignity.
            1. -2
              18 August 2022 23: 45
              Quote: Flood
              beautiful and with dignity

              There is no dignity there, nothing to save.
            2. +3
              19 August 2022 00: 56
              Quote: Flood
              You most importantly fix this confidence of yours.
              In a couple of months to give back beautifully and with dignity.

              Where have I heard something like this before. And just a couple of months ago. And about the second phase. And about hitting the centers.
              1. -1
                19 August 2022 07: 09
                Quote: Zoer
                Where have I heard something like this before. And just a couple of months ago. And about the second phase. And about hitting the centers.

                Express yourself more clearly.
                How do I know where you were a couple of months ago and who were you listening to?
            3. -2
              19 August 2022 12: 43
              In a couple of months in Ukraine, nothing will change dramatically, well, maybe ours will finally take it to Slavyansk and discard the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Donetsk.
        2. +8
          18 August 2022 21: 52
          The obvious "holes" have been in security since the beginning of May. The FSB, with all its desire, cannot block such a front. The National Guard, the specialists are fighting, and the rest is imprisoned for unrest, who should be blocked? We need solutions that do not exist.
          1. +4
            18 August 2022 22: 20
            For example, it was possible to organize gatherings of volunteers for service as part of the Russian Guard only on the territory of the Russian Federation. If you provide a salary of about 70 tr, then there would be those who wish.
            1. -5
              18 August 2022 23: 29
              And who will work in the country?
      2. 0
        18 August 2022 21: 31
        B, when they were already blown apart, they pulled them up.
    4. +5
      18 August 2022 21: 30
      interesting .. was he under coke?
      1. +3
        18 August 2022 21: 38
        Well, given the arrival of Colombian mercenaries. then yes, Colombian coca has arrived.
    5. 0
      18 August 2022 22: 23
      and what will change from the fact that we recognize the regime as terrorist? will it fall apart? you can still appeal to the "international community", fuck everyone, because as at all times there is only one truth - and this is power
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 05: 58
        If we recognize that there will be no more negotiations.
        1. -2
          19 August 2022 10: 43
          there will be no negotiations until there is no land border with transdniestria
    6. 0
      19 August 2022 16: 46
      Quote: AwaZ
      given that the Russian authorities have not yet recognized the regime in Ukraine as a terrorist one, it seems to me that they also hope for negotiations
      And if you take off your black glasses, it will become clear that these are negotiations on the terms of the surrender of Ukraine. If the United States is dragged out, then by December it may be other negotiations - on the terms of NATO's surrender.
  2. +14
    18 August 2022 19: 42
    Turkish President: Zelensky agreed that the armed conflict should be completed at the negotiating table

    The capitulation of the ukroreich can also be called negotiations. Other negotiations are meaningless.
    1. +24
      18 August 2022 19: 45
      So far, Russia has not had enough success to wait for the surrender of Ukraine.
      1. +8
        18 August 2022 21: 27
        At the beginning of the NWO, it was not necessary to kiss the dryers in one place and wait for them to come to their senses. So they lost the window of opportunity.
        1. +9
          18 August 2022 21: 33
          It seems that the political leadership has become the victim of its own propaganda that Ukrainians dream of becoming Russians.
          1. +8
            18 August 2022 21: 50
            Quote: Sergey Trunoff
            It seems that the political leadership has become the victim of its own propaganda that Ukrainians dream of becoming Russians.


            Well, not propaganda, but illusions of the past. They thought that Ukraine is in many ways the same as 30 years ago. But everything flows, everything changes.
          2. -2
            18 August 2022 21: 59
            Yes, the political leadership overestimated the rationality of the citizens of the terrorist entity. Ukrainians dream of trying a cake with a photo of a dead soldier of the Russian Armed Forces or, a fresh hit, with a photo of a heartbroken relative. And all this, for the most part, is the result of the competent work of the emitter.
            1. 0
              18 August 2022 22: 05
              In war, as in war. In a fight - as in a fight. But the one who started it first is always to blame.
              1. +10
                18 August 2022 22: 50
                It's always the one who lost
                1. -4
                  18 August 2022 22: 53
                  Not always. Hitler conquered half of Europe, but in the end he was to blame for everything.
          3. +1
            18 August 2022 22: 48
            I think the answer is simpler, just for those who were involved in plan "A", Ukraine promised to block all foreign assets. In general, once again a banal betrayal happened on the other side laughing
            If this option is allowed, then those incomprehensible body movements at the first stage of SVO acquire, if not meaning, then at least some explanation.
        2. +9
          18 August 2022 21: 54
          That's not how wars are waged

          So we didn’t prepare for it! All these sham exercises are worthless, Tyvinets only prepares parades and biathlons well. Therefore, we started the operation, taking into account the possibility that it would blow over, but it didn’t carry over and all of Tyvinsky’s “professionalism” surfaced. But they won’t change .. .
          1. +5
            18 August 2022 22: 51
            If someone has surfaced "professionalism", then the head of the General Staff. You misunderstand the role of the Minister of Defense. Although it is also impossible to belittle his "merits".
      2. +6
        18 August 2022 21: 33
        We can say that we have no strategic success at all, the front has been standing for the sixth month in a row.
        1. +5
          18 August 2022 22: 10
          And due to what should there be success if the attacking side does not have a numerical advantage, advancing on the oporniks, which were built for 8 years. One has to concentrate forces in one specific sector, break through the front and advance from there. In my opinion, the numerical strength of the contingent is inadequate to the tasks assigned to it, hence the stupor.
          1. -3
            19 August 2022 13: 03
            With 174 BTGs in Ukraine, there really is nothing to do; their taps need from 500 to 700.
        2. -1
          19 August 2022 08: 26
          maybe it will last another XNUMX months
  3. +20
    18 August 2022 19: 42
    I hope we have enough sense not to go to the new "Malta-Khasavyurt" ... It's sickening to look at the clash .. Who's in what .. T-shirts, shirts, suits, some kind of military ..
    1. +8
      18 August 2022 19: 49
      Quote: dmi.pris
      T-shirts, shirts, suits, some kind of military ..

      So it's American secondhand. For dill, this is sacred! wink
    2. +7
      18 August 2022 19: 52
      Well, yes, we know the word of these negotiations, Minsk has not yet been forgotten negative
      PS Hee, only Erdogan observes etiquette hi
      1. +6
        18 August 2022 20: 26
        Quote: dedusik
        Hee, only Erdogan observes etiquette

        He respects himself and his country. Yes
    3. 0
      18 August 2022 19: 56
      I agree. Just specify - who has it "we"? We have enough for you. But decisions in Russia are still made by Putin.
      1. +3
        18 August 2022 20: 03
        I hope that in this situation Putin will be with us and with you.
      2. -4
        18 August 2022 20: 36
        Well, the Hohlon drug addict broke everything off .... He stated that there were no negotiations until the withdrawal of our troops. Well, we'll give a pistol with one cartridge ...
        1. +9
          18 August 2022 22: 57
          And what can be negotiated after the withdrawal of our troops?
          It seems that about the transfer of the Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine.
          On the amount of reparations and indemnities to Ukraine.
          About the date of arrival of the GDP in The Hague with things.
          ------
          Do we need all this?
          1. -5
            18 August 2022 23: 04
            If we are talking about "the arrival of GDP in The Hague", then why should everyone die?
            1. +2
              18 August 2022 23: 40
              Quote: Sergey Trunoff
              If we are talking about "the arrival of GDP in The Hague", then why should everyone die?

              Another "canned" was opened... One comment February 14, 2019 21:12, the rest - today.

              Coincidence? Don't think No. laughing
            2. -2
              19 August 2022 01: 59
              You are tape from the Tinkoff, Maksimoff, Smirnoff series ... when necessary, then they unwind .. laughing
          2. 0
            19 August 2022 16: 55
            Quote: Raven-95
            Do we need all this?
            You really need all this, but xpen what will you get.
    4. +15
      18 August 2022 20: 29
      it all depends on what will be offered to our officials ... But our officials do not like to answer for the bazaar and can easily change their shoes if a good message arrives. Dimon shut up somewhere, but how he cocked and scattered threats for an attack on the Crimea. Well, the ukrovoyaks carried out several terrorist attacks, Dimon immediately fell silent. Now they have thrown petals already in the Kursk region. For the Kremlin, this is normal - they didn’t throw it into the Kremlin ..
      1. +5
        18 August 2022 20: 43
        Who is in charge of these officials?
        1. -1
          18 August 2022 21: 01
          Well, yes, I agree that our officials are not independent and act only with an eye on the top. The military is also the same, first of all, they are only concerned with not squeezing out a warm place. Therefore, the mess is incorrigible.
        2. -1
          18 August 2022 21: 08
          Money, lots of money, more money.
      2. 0
        18 August 2022 22: 06
        It is unlikely that this is normal for the Kremlin, the reasons for such behavior are important - fears, illusions, something else ..
  4. +12
    18 August 2022 19: 43
    No questions. Only complete and unconditional surrender. This is basically what we agree on. No more Minsks, Istanbuls, that's enough. Go to the end.
    1. -8
      18 August 2022 19: 47
      The end can be either on one or the other side.
      1. +2
        18 August 2022 21: 00
        You apparently did not fully realize the existential nature of this conflict.
        1. -11
          18 August 2022 21: 04
          I may not have realized. But the regions with a 20-fold economic superiority over Russia have realized: the USA, Canada, Australia, Great Britain and the European Union. With China's neutrality. Forces are unequal.
          1. 0
            19 August 2022 08: 28
            which regions?
  5. +13
    18 August 2022 19: 47
    We then realized that this scarecrow in a khaki T-shirt is incapable of negotiating, because drugs, like drunks, never keep their words! Negotiating with such a creature is generally a humiliation of one's own dignity. Russia has only one option, force, stop listening to lies. Didn’t these creatures of the Donbass make you sick? They don’t hit our regions a little? Clench your teeth, and further clear the lands from this undead in human form by force of arms.
  6. +6
    18 August 2022 19: 47
    That's just not a place for Zelensky at that table, as it was a movie character, it remains so. Doll on the American five.
    1. +3
      18 August 2022 20: 03
      Guterres does not look particularly satisfied with the progress of the negotiations, his liver is badly damaged by decaliters of Porto, and it seems that he expected that a fresh liver from the eastern front would cost him less, because Zeleman adopted a law on wills in the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... but Zeleman also knows his interest: the Colombian snow is not cheap...
  7. +2
    18 August 2022 19: 48
    I wonder how negotiations with stubborn fascist comedians take place. Is it real at all?
    1. +15
      18 August 2022 20: 09
      How are they going? Yes, not so long ago in Istanbul ... Medinsky stuttered at the final, another dropped papers. These are real negotiations and our representatives. death of people in Bucha. Pro-Russian people.
      1. -3
        18 August 2022 20: 34
        About Butch, you don’t just need it, but. there, even the Americans already understand who died how and who and how they were laid out along the street. Good?
    2. -4
      18 August 2022 20: 15
      Do they mean not one fascist, but all three? Or two? There are no more options
      1. 0
        18 August 2022 20: 19
        There are options. They offered Zelensky to negotiate with Putin. So I did not understand how it is possible to negotiate with drug addicts. Which of the two listed addict hope clear? Not quite the logic "left"?
  8. +4
    18 August 2022 19: 50
    Macron, Johnson and Borrell demanded to die, but to defeat the Russians ...
    For such "tricks" they can be taken to the barn ....
  9. +1
    18 August 2022 19: 51
    Zelensky's only strength is that the fifth column can achieve their goals in the future at the cost of the blood of Russian soldiers with fraudulent negotiations like grain exports.
    1. +2
      18 August 2022 20: 21
      Even I do not see any fifth column. This is done so that the poor in America and Europe stop whining that the Russian Federation is an instigator (no) of hunger.
      As soon as this was decided, the possible forelocks also shut up about it, because. the cartoon is over.
    2. 0
      18 August 2022 22: 56
      And I do not see the export of Ukrainian grain, but the issue with the export of our grain has been resolved. So you be careful about fraudulent negotiations. You don't even know what is in open sources about them. lol
  10. +8
    18 August 2022 19: 52
    Zelensky is at the negotiating table, Russia will sign the surrender and withdraw the troops.
    Putin is at the negotiating table, Ukraine will sign the surrender and fulfill the requirements of the Russian Federation
    Erdogan - would quickly agree on peace, I need to trade.
    Gutteres - we tried to reconcile them.
    Each rogue has his own calculations. hi
  11. +2
    18 August 2022 19: 53
    The negotiations themselves lasted less than an hour. What could be discussed during this time is a big question.
    This is a fact, knowing that they talked with VVP for FOUR HOURS
    statements by Zelensky's office about "agreement that the armed conflict must be completed in the course of negotiations."
    They have previously stated this, although before that they added that negotiations will begin after the complete liberation of the territory of Ukraine within the 1991 borders.
  12. +4
    18 August 2022 19: 53
    They didn’t start a war to stop halfway! Ask Medvedev
    1. +4
      18 August 2022 22: 21
      Medvedev replaced the late Zhirinovsky as the country 's chief hawk . This is not the kind of person to ask about such things. laughing
      In general, there will certainly be negotiations and agreements, but not now. At the moment, the status quo is not beneficial to us.
  13. +11
    18 August 2022 19: 55
    Nothing will happen. Erdogan and Guterres have left the room, there is nothing to talk with Ze. Decisions are not made by him and in a completely different place.
  14. -1
    18 August 2022 19: 55
    Well, he deigned ..... and our side will now begin to dance in front of him! ... yeah, no matter how!
  15. -23
    18 August 2022 19: 56
    It is high time. A thin world is better than a hot NWO.
    1. +7
      18 August 2022 20: 02
      Yes, no one is against a bad world. Only Russia has plans not for a thin world, but for a very fat and well-fed one! We strive for it! wink
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 20: 18
        If they were, then they would not be engaged in garbage for half a year. Either humanitarian corridors, then gestures of goodwill, then grain. And all this is considered a manifestation of weakness. The Kremlin is at a crossroads and no longer knows what it wants
        1. 0
          18 August 2022 20: 41
          Yes, Russia has no experience in conducting JWO. wink
        2. +1
          19 August 2022 17: 20
          Quote: Sergey V
          garbage would not be engaged in six months.
          Looks like all you can see from your couch is bullshit. And if you look at the map
    2. +2
      18 August 2022 20: 14
      While the clown for the world is not ripe. Demands to withdraw troops without any conditions are simply ridiculous.
      By the way, I read in dill public that Zelensky has a real victory:
      1. The front does not collapse, but slowly rolls back. Well, they will finally lose Donbass, well, Nikolaev may lose. But right-bank Ukraine near Zelensky.
      2. Help from the West, if not as much as you want, but it comes - you can cut and trade in weapons.
      3. And most importantly, Zelensky has finally become a dictator in the territories under his control, crushes opponents from the left and right and can rule indefinitely without elections - simply prolonging martial law.
      4. But the world, even like Minsk-3, is a disaster for Zelensky. There is no victory, the war is lost anyway. Martial law is canceled, data on real losses emerge and a lot of questions arise for the clown. And then it's over.
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 20: 51
        Where is the front going? Take a map 5 months ago, put it on today's one and you will see that during this time all that the Ukrainians have lost is a hard-to-defend appendix in the LPR with a total area of ​​​​about a couple of thousand square kilometers.

        If the front had rolled back, Zelensky himself would have requested negotiations long ago.
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 08: 32
          take a card to svo and now
    3. -3
      18 August 2022 21: 01
      We do not need a bad peace. It will be on our terms, which were announced, plus the territories controlled by Russia will remain as such. This is if the Zelebobus now agrees to our terms.
  16. +4
    18 August 2022 19: 58
    behind the trunk of negotiations ...
  17. +4
    18 August 2022 20: 01
    Is "Zelensky's office" generally capable of negotiating? I do not want to guess or guess, but in my opinion, any negotiations other than unconditional surrender followed by an analogue of the Nuremberg trials will be a defeat for Russia. Let's see.
  18. +1
    18 August 2022 20: 05
    I don’t believe, I don’t want to believe that Putin instructed Erdogan to “cast the bait” to Zelensky, but what about negotiations. Perhaps this bait was called the unconditional surrender of Ukraine on Russia’s terms, but then it’s still too early, because Putin knows that those goals in the NWO have not yet been achieved, which Putin himself expanded during the NWO. So Erdogan’s desire to reconcile before the elections in Turkey and Zelensky’s desire to somehow sit down at the negotiating table with Putin are at odds with the expanded tasks that Putin adjusted already during the NWO.
    Although it was Lvov that would be suitable for an act of unconditional surrender. The Russian army completes the tasks set by Putin in the den of Bandera in Lvov, and there an act of unconditional surrender is signed ... Maybe Zelensky will try on a place for himself ...
    1. +4
      18 August 2022 20: 28
      The diplomatic game is a delicate thing. They could well throw a fishing rod. Even Germany and the USSR in 1941 threw fishing rods at each other, through the ambassador of Bulgaria and the returning Soviet diplomats.
  19. GNM
    -1
    18 August 2022 20: 05
    ... The negotiations themselves lasted less than an hour. What could be discussed during this time is a big question...

    I think they didn’t discuss anything with this gang of gopniks and sharomyzhnikov (see photo), they were simply voiced the demand of some "respectable people" that it was time to tie up with this clowning, and that's it!
    Tomorrow they will be told what they allegedly "think" about this - they will repeat the memorized text, they are, in principle, not bad actors.
    1. -1
      18 August 2022 21: 43
      Quote: GNM
      ... The negotiations themselves lasted less than an hour. What could be discussed during this time is a big question...

      Transportation of gas, oil through the territory of Ukraine and baksheesh for it ... And what else could two krokhobors discuss ... Winter is ahead. Frosts, Europeans do not want to freeze, they are afraid of unemployment. The Turks want to make money on this kipesh. .Zelya wants the fighting to be conducted in a certain territory, without affecting Kyiv, the Western region, and also wants a ball ... This is how I see this shaman.
  20. +2
    18 August 2022 20: 08
    I'm sorry, but we are not talking about denazification?
    1. -1
      18 August 2022 20: 15
      I'm sorry, but we are not talking about denazification?
      Who?
      1. -2
        18 August 2022 20: 17
        The one they wanted to denazify. That is to eradicate national socialism.
        1. -1
          18 August 2022 20: 23
          Is Zelensky talking about denazification???
          1. 0
            18 August 2022 20: 26
            I don't think anyone is talking about this anymore. As they say - we passed.
            1. -5
              18 August 2022 20: 28
              And Zelensky should about it make a speech?
              laughing
              1. -3
                18 August 2022 20: 33
                What for? Why talk about what no one understands.
                1. -3
                  18 August 2022 20: 35
                  This is how you write, and then you say "why" ...
                2. 0
                  19 August 2022 10: 16
                  Well, if you call Nazism - national socialism, then it is not surprising that you do not understand. laughing
                  And this one, stop using plural pronouns when you're grading, use singular pronouns so your comments will look more correct.
  21. +3
    18 August 2022 20: 09
    And with demilitarization, the result is directly opposite to expectations.
  22. +1
    18 August 2022 20: 10
    This whole situation is called PPR! (((
  23. +3
    18 August 2022 20: 13
    Am I the only one who does not understand the format, topic and composition of these "negotiations"?
    Okay Guterres is clear. Zelensky, one of the parties. And Erdogan? Because you talked to GDP the day before? Otherwise, how to enter it?
    1. +5
      18 August 2022 20: 27
      Ataturk is not a friend to anyone. He has his own selfish interests, but most likely this is due to the ultimatum inflation in Turkey to find a bench.
      1. +2
        18 August 2022 20: 38
        Quote from Kolins.
        Ataturk is not a friend to anyone.

        Of course. But, I repeat once again: Guterres is a third, Zelensky represents Ukraine, who is Erdogan?
        And Ataturk is still too strong a definition for Erdogan hi
        1. +4
          19 August 2022 00: 31
          who is Erdogan?

          Remember how the postman Pechkin sent a telegram from Matroskin's cat to Sharik when they weren't talking? And Sharik "figvamy" painted.
          Here Erdogan is now the postman Pechkin. . A person capable of conveying the wishes of one warring side to the other side.
          It remains to understand who is Matroskin, and who is drawing "figs".
          1. 0
            19 August 2022 10: 40
            I saw it right away. But your example from Prostokvashino is simply enchanting good
    2. +3
      18 August 2022 20: 30
      Quote: Adrey
      Am I the only one who does not understand the format, topic and composition of these "negotiations"?
      Okay Guterres is clear. Zelensky, one of the parties. And Erdogan? Because you talked to GDP the day before? Otherwise, how to enter it?

      Erdogan wants to get the status of a world leader who, with a single word, resolves global conflicts.
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 20: 40
        Quote: Chronos
        Erdogan wants to get the status of a world leader who, with a single word, resolves global conflicts.

        In company with Guterres? That by definition is much more representative.
      2. +11
        18 August 2022 20: 57
        Erdogan is an excellent businessman.
        1) He trades with Russia, buys weapons from her, develops his tourism sector.
        2) He trades with Ukraine, sells weapons to it and builds military factories.
        3) He does not break with Europe and NATO and receives military technology, weapons, components from them.
    3. +2
      18 August 2022 20: 37
      And Erdogan? Because you talked to GDP the day before? Otherwise, how to enter it?

      Erdogan needs to understand from his conversations with Ze whether, at the height of the holiday season, the waters of his chic coastline will glow at night with radioactive isotopes, or will it blow over? You know how to consider some important emotion in an opponent's poker face...
      1. +2
        18 August 2022 20: 49
        Well, by the way, they really could have come there just for the sake of it, to kick him in the horns for shelling the station and the ensuing consequences.
      2. +2
        18 August 2022 21: 15
        Quote: impostor
        Erdogan needs to understand from his conversations with Ze whether, at the height of the holiday season, the waters of his chic coastline will glow at night with radioactive isotopes, or will it blow over?

        In the Mediterranean? The main resorts are there. And where then are the representatives of Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Italy, Spain, Cyprus and all, all, all?
    4. +2
      18 August 2022 20: 59
      Quote: Adrey
      And Erdogan? Because you talked to GDP the day before? Otherwise, how to enter it?

      He wants to go down in history as a "great peacemaker!" Well, look after your own interests. with the same grain and Bayraktars.
  24. -1
    18 August 2022 20: 17
    At the moment, no one asks this buffoon.
  25. +2
    18 August 2022 20: 23
    A number of representatives of these media urge Zelensky to speak with Russia either “from a position of strength” or “not to speak at all

    O! I recognize far from the "front end" "Xperds". Those are still "sofas") and, moreover, they do not forget to knock down a small denyuzhka.
  26. 0
    18 August 2022 20: 25
    AND LET'S NOT GUESS (APPLIES TO EVERYONE) - LET'S WAIT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF EVENTS.
    1. +4
      18 August 2022 20: 27
      No need to guess: Zelensky did not disappoint and said that there would be no negotiations ...
      bully
    2. -1
      18 August 2022 20: 28
      There is nothing to even guess. Ze told the truth, and the GDP can confirm this. Any war ends with peace negotiations, only Ukraine will not set the conditions.
      1. 0
        18 August 2022 21: 53
        The authorities (or the 1st person) both in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine can change, respectively, and both the actions of the parties and the names of the signatories of the agreement will change as a result.
  27. 0
    18 August 2022 20: 26
    Zelensky why is he wearing a T-shirt. Disguise behind a ficus in a pot or save a tie for dinner? I’d also put on a helmet - a heroic clown. The UN officer was going to talk to him about what? Two puppets and a hyper
    1. +2
      18 August 2022 22: 05
      That's not how wars are waged
      he mows under Che Guevara, unshaven in military,
      apparently his team sculpts such an image for him laughing only to Che he is far away
  28. Eug
    +5
    18 August 2022 20: 27
    Zelensky has always agreed in principle to negotiations, but only if Ukraine has a strong negotiating position. So there is nothing new in Erdogan's message, most likely a screen to hide the true goals of these negotiations.
  29. +3
    18 August 2022 20: 29
    It seems to me that in the event of the withdrawal of troops to the line "as of February 24", GDP can only receive a revolution in Russia, and he (I hope) knows about it :)
    1. 0
      18 August 2022 20: 33
      Everyone is counting on it.
    2. -9
      18 August 2022 20: 35
      Of course he knows. Therefore, he will fight to the last Russian, Ukrainian and Buryat.
      1. -2
        18 August 2022 20: 46
        The Buryats are especially sorry. They have nothing to do with the "eternal dispute among the Slavs".
    3. -1
      18 August 2022 21: 12
      There will be no revolution in this case. In all seriousness, I advise you to read V.I. Lenin about the revolutionary situation.
  30. +2
    18 August 2022 20: 32
    The negotiations, as always, were held in the PPR format - they sat, chatted, and parted ways.
  31. +5
    18 August 2022 20: 32
    Every war ends at the table with the signing of an agreement.
    But Zelensky's phrase must be written in full, in this case.
    "...negotiations are possible only if Russian troops leave the occupied territory of Ukraine."
    Where, in his opinion, the LPR, DPR and Crimea are completely included.
  32. -1
    18 August 2022 20: 35
    Never before has Ze had such a convenient moment to pull off ... If he misses it now - then it will be too late.
  33. +1
    18 August 2022 20: 36
    Here is the buffoon's answer: https://rusvesna.su/news/1660841525
    So to those who shouted "everything is lost - we were betrayed": drink valerian and read the latest news.
  34. +1
    18 August 2022 20: 40
    At one time, the correct Central Asian "kid" drove one of the coolest leaders in a cage, for the amusement of the people. And this current sultan of them imagined himself to be a peacemaker. Is Senka a hat? Can he repeat the fate of his old colleague?
    1. -7
      18 August 2022 20: 44
      Who was taken?
      1. +5
        18 August 2022 20: 51
        Quote: Sergey Trunoff
        Who was taken?

        Lame Timur Sultan Bayezid
  35. -1
    18 August 2022 20: 42
    Now Erdogan has reported on the phone with Putin. Ze is ready to sit down at the negotiating table, but in parts. What part of the negotiations will you negotiate? bully
  36. +4
    18 August 2022 20: 50
    As long as we keep fiddling with Mumu, we won't be able to do shit. And the president will pass for p ...... la, because he said that he would end the Banderlog.
  37. -1
    18 August 2022 20: 55
    Quote: Chronos
    By the way, I read in dill public that Zelensky has a real victory:

    That's right, but ... does the "clown" control so much in his country? And even in this four-point formula, there are too many factors that are not reliable.
    Here, many are interested: why did Erdogan come? I believe that this has already been voiced, and the Turkish press did not lie. A better question to ask yourself is why did Guterres come? Someone says: well, this is understandable. Absolutely not clear! Grain question? This is under the control of Turkey, and the UN agrees to this. Why Guterres? Gas station question? Send an IAEA representative. Why Guterres? What else is there left to talk for an hour with Guterres to Zelinsky? The only reason he had to come to Zelinsky was to personally announce that Europe is no longer with Ukraine.
    1. +1
      18 August 2022 21: 26
      Quote: NikolayDS
      Here, many are interested: why did Erdogan come?

      How do you like this?
      Instead of Erdogan - Medinsky, or Lavrov, or Shoigu, or Abramovich, not mentioned by nightfall? What would follow in the info field?
      And then there's just Erdogan. Trader, what to take from him. I came to the account of the factory on Bayraktaram to agree. And Guterres is a witness, so that Zelensky would not inadvertently throw it. Jews, they are such Jews, without the head of the UN, well, nothing with them ...
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 21: 33
        Quote: Adrey
        How do you like this?

        this is not a working layout. From some other reality.
        Erdogan is a smart person. And you underestimate him. If he comes to push through some Bayraktars, then 1) this is not his level of negotiations; 2) bayraktars love silence, not press attention 3) negotiations with Putin for Erdogan will end there, and Erdogan has a lot more to talk about with Putin. Now is not the situation when Erdogan can “set him up” (Putin) like that ...
        1. +4
          18 August 2022 22: 04
          Quote: NikolayDS
          How do you like this?

          this is not a working layout. From some other reality.
          Erdogan is a smart person. And you underestimate him. If he comes to push through some Bayraktars, then 1) this is not his level of negotiations; 2) bayraktars love silence, not press attention 3) negotiations with Putin for Erdogan will end there, and Erdogan has a lot more to talk about with Putin. Now is not the situation when Erdogan can “set him up” (Putin) like that ...

          I have absolutely nothing to say to you. Very clear analytics, the ability to see through the fog and read between the lines hi
  38. -8
    18 August 2022 21: 18
    Cool. Erdogan, Zelensky and Guteres have decided something. When will you be able to laugh?
    1. +1
      18 August 2022 21: 21
      If you're having fun, laugh. But the situation is not at all fun. For nobody.
      1. -4
        18 August 2022 21: 35
        Who are you talking about? About Erdogan, Zelkin or Guteres winked и
        1. -1
          18 August 2022 21: 38
          I'm talking about Zelensky and Putin. The rest of the world's leaders aren't having fun either. The future ranges from economic and food crises to a nuclear world war.
          1. -1
            19 August 2022 08: 40
            Isn't it good that it will be bad for the enemies of Russia?
  39. -3
    18 August 2022 21: 26
    They decided? Well done! But who are they to decide?
  40. -1
    18 August 2022 21: 27
    Why not in shorts?
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 01: 26
      And in swimming trunks it was weak
  41. +5
    18 August 2022 21: 31
    Privatization, pension reform, we will swallow a lot of other things.
  42. -4
    18 August 2022 21: 32
    It looks like it will be like this:
    - after the liberation of the DPR, negotiations will begin;
    - LDNR will become part of Russia;
    - Kherson and Zaporozhye regions remain part of Ukraine, regardless of the results of the referendum.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 08: 40
      so that they continue to shoot from the border of Crimea?
  43. -3
    18 August 2022 21: 42
    Erdogan is trying to salvage multibillion-dollar investments in the Ukrainian economy, from buying land to sunflower oil. Syria, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, everywhere there are costs, but there is no profit, three-digit inflation is coming soon. As long as Russia lends, Erdogan somehow exists. I think NATO will not endure this lawlessness of Erdogan for a long time, as NATO believes, and in September he will have to make a choice between Russia and NATO. So he rushes between Russia and NATO. Either Russian loans or NATO weapons, but for their own. TRANSFER YOUR ARMY to Russian weapons, this will be a bold move by Erdogan.
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      1. +1
        19 August 2022 11: 14
        I didn’t understand about the “big” players, who is the “big” player, please announce the entire list. When will you have your opinion gamers? The tramp hasn't grown. They jumped, jumped, and then they turned to Russia for help, help Russia, bring in peacekeepers.
  44. +1
    18 August 2022 21: 43
    Let him wash his T-shirt in front of the negotiating table Yes
  45. -1
    18 August 2022 21: 43
    Preparations for the drain, oh, sorry for the "goodwill gesture" are in full swing
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 08: 41
      who is being dumped?
  46. -1
    18 August 2022 21: 57
    Quote: AwaZ
    in general, nothing will change, just the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO will terrorize slightly different territories
    Reply
    Ц

    opredelites konkretno wy za dogowornjakom or protiw ja tolko za bezgoworocznoj kapitulacjej banderostanu
  47. -1
    18 August 2022 22: 04
    Quote: sat2004
    Russian weapons

    u Turcji swoj WPK jest i sowmestno problemy z importozameszczenem Turcja na import wooruzenja ne obreczena az S 400 somnennyj pribil dla Rosji
  48. -1
    18 August 2022 22: 13
    Quote: RussianPatriot
    - Kherson and Zaporozhye regions remain part of Ukraine, regardless of the results of the referendum.

    eto czrewato grazdanskoj wojnoj 2.0 istinno Russian ludi +Rossjane= PatriotyRosji wsech nacjonalnosti protiw kolekktiwnym medinskim i abramowiczom bej 5 kolonnu spasaj Rossju wozmozno z pogroma elcyn centra nacznetsa adegory part nado pereubrogeditichju mira do nzto
  49. +1
    18 August 2022 22: 14
    already shelling Crimea air defense works in Crimea
    1. -4
      18 August 2022 22: 19
      Shelling Ukraine, smart people could foresee that a return line could fly in.
      1. -3
        18 August 2022 22: 29
        Quote: Sergey Trunoff
        Shelling Ukraine, smart people could foresee that a return line could fly in.

        Because on the site of administrative buildings in Kyiv and regional centers there should already be lunar craters. Why not hit the mayor's office in Lviv during the day? Dill should be afraid, only fear can stimulate them to something.
        1. -2
          18 August 2022 22: 33
          By shelling the administrative buildings of regional centers in Ukraine, smart people could foresee that a return line could fly in.
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  50. -4
    18 August 2022 22: 28
    LDNR, the entire coast with Odessa and Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhye - and you can live in the Kyiv People's Republic. Uhryshchina and Lvov were taken away by the owners (already almost taken away)
  51. -3
    18 August 2022 22: 29
    All decisions in the Russian Federation are made by one person - the president. Now is a decisive moment for Russia. Strictness and determination are important at this stage of time and circumstances.
    1. -3
      18 August 2022 22: 37
      "All decisions in the Russian Federation are made by one person - the president. Now is a decisive moment for Russia. Strictness and determination are important at this stage of time and circumstances."

      If one person decides everything, then who will correct him if he is wrong? If one person decides everything, isn’t it a shame that all the other residents of the country decide nothing and nothing depends on them?
      1. -6
        18 August 2022 23: 22
        If one person decides everything, isn’t it a shame that all the other residents of the country decide nothing and nothing depends on them?

        You, too, can decide something: for example, to join the Northern Military District or join some party as an activist...
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 05: 08
          And you too!!!
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    1. +2
      18 August 2022 22: 47
      The return of territories is difficult. Territories are not land - they are people. And many people don’t want to go to Russia. But Ukraine is not pushing us towards negotiations. They decided to launch a counter-offensive on the sabotage and terrorist front.
      1. -2
        18 August 2022 23: 39
        They decided to launch a counter-offensive on the sabotage and terrorist front.

        This means that there is no longer any strength to counterattack “in the field”...
  53. -3
    18 August 2022 22: 59
    They are now writing about numerous explosions in Crimea.
  54. CYM
    +6
    19 August 2022 00: 09
    Quote from: neworange88
    If you act seriously, wisely, without any persuasion or tenderness, using the full power of the armed forces
    The area of ​​Ukraine (as of February 23.02.2022, 603) is 549 square meters. km, area of ​​France 547 sq. km. In 030, the Wehrmacht invasion army numbered approximately 1940 men, supported by over 3 combat aircraft and over 000 tanks. The French had 000 men, about 3000 tanks and over 2500 aircraft. This is called a war of the mind, or more precisely, according to conventional military science. In the Northern Military District, neither the Russian Federation nor the Ukrainian side have involved similar forces, and accordingly, there is no and will not be a significant result. IMHO Most likely everything will end, for a while, with “Istanbul-2” (in the image and likeness of the Minsk agreements) on the new demarcation line. sad
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 10: 03
      Quote: CYM
      This is called a war of the mind, or more precisely, according to conventional military science.

      Well, you compared... In Poland, the German blitzkrieg was almost perfect. And in France, the Germans were lucky in many ways + the French fought carelessly. In this sense, Ukrainians fight much better than the French did in World War II. I once read how the French fought:
      The order was given to destroy the bridge across the river. The French company advances to the bridge and destroys the bridge. But instead of taking up positions along the shore, it retreats to its original positions. A German tank brigade approaches. In two hours they restore the bridge and calmly move on. This is such a funny war.
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  56. +6
    19 August 2022 00: 20
    Hmm... Ukraine was demilitarized, demilitarized, but not demilitarized...
  57. +2
    19 August 2022 01: 22
    Zelensky “agreed in principle that the armed conflict must be ended at the negotiating table.”

    ***
    “Zelensky has no place at this table...


    ***
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 06: 22
      There is no other.
  58. +2
    19 August 2022 01: 54
    To understand the meaning of Erdogan’s statement, it is necessary to take into account his last Saloreikh’s phrase that “in this war, Turkey is definitely on the side of Ukraine.” And so, yes, any war ends with its “Versailles negotiations”.
    1. +1
      19 August 2022 02: 06
      There is an insert, apparently from the site's robot.
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  60. 0
    19 August 2022 04: 27
    I don't trust Zelensky. He has already had many chances for negotiations, but has refused.
  61. -4
    19 August 2022 04: 34
    Erdogan is a cunning and treacherous Turk, I am pursuing
    First of all, his own selfish Turkish interests! His task is to stop the liberation of all of Ukraine from fascist-Bandera, nationalist oppression by our troops and create conditions for himself, the United States and NATO countries, to use the remaining territory of the “under-Ukraine” for its further plunder and the creation of NATO bases against Russia! Only the blind, deaf and irrational can not see this! The insidious Erdogan, with his false love of peace, is preparing for himself a successful outcome of the upcoming elections and wants to ride into his post for another term on the white horse of a “peacemaker”! At the same time, actively selling to Ukraine their “Bayraktars” that kill Russian soldiers, officers and civilians in the Donbass and the territory of Ukraine, liberated by the united forces of the Russian Federation! Dealing with this cunning-assed Janissary, with a crooked scimitar behind his back, is not respecting yourself, your Armed Forces and Russia!!! Let the cunning Erdogan show his love of peace in Syria, with the Kurds, the rulers of Syria and Iraq! There is only one conclusion! And this is confirmed by numerous experts and political scientists! No negotiations on Ukraine, not with Erdogan, not with the USA and NATO, and especially with the terrorist and war criminal, Judas Zelensky! Only the complete defeat of the remaining Bandera gangs and the complete liberation of the entire territory of “Under-Ukraine”, to the very western borders! Otherwise, why were sacrifices made in previous battles and for the civilian population!!!??? Everyone should answer this question!
  62. 0
    19 August 2022 04: 36
    Let this trio shove their wishes up their ass. Only VICTORY and the destruction of Banderastan as a phenomenon.
  63. 0
    19 August 2022 05: 57
    Meanwhile, a participant in the negotiations in Istanbul, a true “patriot” of Russia and a citizen of Israel, Abramovich, with his Jewish friends: Kalomoisky, Fridman and Aven, will make money on the “restoration” of Ukraine.
    https://t.me/obrazbuduschego2/10898
    And this man (Abramovich) decided the fate of Novorossiya for us.
  64. 0
    19 August 2022 06: 18
    It’s ridiculous for the Jew Zelensky to talk about peace - Jews need more blood and destruction - for some reason our FSB agents don’t liquidate this Jew
  65. CYM
    0
    19 August 2022 10: 27
    Quote: NikolayDS
    Well, you compared ...
    I compared the territory and strength of the opponents, without analogies of moral spirit and military skill, because it is fraught... sad
  66. 0
    19 August 2022 12: 01
    This nation has no conscience, no sense of danger, this is a herd of sheep that climb into all the holes and try to distort everything. What he is thinking about is how to go to Canada or Argentina.
  67. -3
    19 August 2022 23: 01
    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always. or maybe back. home, huh...? and then everything will sort itself out somehow...
  68. -3
    19 August 2022 23: 14
    So will Putin negotiate on Zelensky’s terms? given the positional deadlock that has arisen in Ukraine, all this can be framed in the media as a threat of a winter humanitarian catastrophe in the Square...after all, the whole world knows how compassionate and forgiving we are...you see, we will be able to save our face without losing our world dignity...

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