Should we expect referendums in the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye on a single voting day in the Russian Federation

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Should we expect referendums in the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye on a single voting day in the Russian Federation

A lot of rumors have been circulating in recent weeks regarding the holding of referendums in the south of Ukraine, controlled by the Russian army, as well as in the Donbass republics - the LPR and the DPR (i.e., in historical New Russia). Will they take place on September 11, the day of the unified vote in the Russian Federation? Or are we dealing with statements that pursue political goals and are part of an information war, and for objective reasons referendums will not be held in September? We will try to answer this question.

Are the liberated territories ready for a referendum?


Let's start with the fact that in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, which are under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, there are a lot of unresolved problems. And now we are talking not only about regular shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the threat of a new Chernobyl in the event of an accident at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. The territory of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions is currently a zone without a legal system and a normal economy, as it was in the Donbass in 2014. Food prices, for example, in the same Melitopol are now several times higher than they were before, there are also problems with the supply of medicines.



There are also problems with the launch of the public sector due to the unwillingness of some workers to cooperate with the new administrations. This reluctance is due not only to ideological considerations, that is, support from the Ukrainian authorities, but also to uncertainty and fear due to the fact that if Ukraine returns to these territories, repressions may follow.

Personnel from Russia, who are trying to attract, often do not agree to go to Kherson and Melitopol, considering it a gamble, also for the reason that salaries there are not very high - around 50 thousand for a low-level manager. At the same time, a service apartment is not allocated. Why, one wonders, go to a troubled territory, where there is a real threat to life, if in Russia a person receives the same amount? In order to attract people, we need a clear plan and image of the future, we need to put things in order, we need investments, but this has not yet been observed.

As for the liberated territories of the LPR and DPR, the situation here is somewhat different, but also far from simple. In the liberated Rubizhne, Severodonetsk and Lisichansk in the LPR, for example, all communications are still missing - electricity, water, gas. At the same time, Rubizhnoye was liberated back in mid-May.

The people who remained in these cities live mainly on humanitarian aid, which is carried once a week, water is collected mainly from a pump, food is cooked on firewood. The cities suffered greatly from the hostilities - in the same Rubizhny, almost all apartment buildings received some kind of damage. In Severodonetsk, many houses have been determined for demolition due to the severity of the damage.




In Mariupol, for example, the situation is somewhat better; electricity and water have already been supplied to some areas, and new houses are being built. In Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and Rubizhne, one can only dream of new houses. Town of Popasnaya statement the head of the LPR Leonid Pasechnik, with a high probability, will not be restored at all. As for the DPR as a whole, Donetsk is still a target for Ukrainian artillery, and half of the territory of the republic remains in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There can be no question of holding a referendum here - which was also stated by the head of the republic, Denis Pushilin, who noted that the date of the referendum on the entry of the DPR into Russia would be announced after the complete liberation of the territory of the republic. It is not known when this will happen, and given that the front line is practically not moving (the capture of a small village is now presented as a big victory for the allied forces), there are fears that it will not be soon.

Thus, the answer to the question - "Are Kherson, Zaporozhye, Luhansk and Donetsk ready for a referendum" seems obvious - they are not ready.

The political background of the referendum


There is no doubt that both Russia and Ukraine use the topic of holding referendums for their political purposes, and it is part of the information war. Russia wants to demonstrate that it is ready to annex these territories if Kyiv does not make concessions and does not accept the terms of the Russian peace agreement, and in Kyiv, in turn, they say that if the referendums do take place, then Ukraine will withdraw from the negotiation process. Kyiv uses, among other things, nuclear blackmail - the Armed Forces of Ukraine strike at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, and the head of the Ukrainian Energoatom, Petr Kotin, threatens to interrupt the power lines leading to the nuclear power plant.

In the material “What is the real purpose of the NWO? Officially designated and real goals of the operation in Ukraine”, I noted that the conclusion of a peace agreement with Ukraine is the cornerstone of Russian policy and the goal of a special military operation. Therefore, threats from Zelensky to stop negotiations, which are ridiculed in the official media, can be taken quite seriously in Moscow. The fact that the author of this text or some analyst or expert does not believe in the possibility of concluding such an agreement and considers such a policy to be erroneous does not matter, because experts and analysts do not make decisions, they can only discuss already adopted decisions or predict their adoption.

There is another important nuance regarding the military-political background, which is worth mentioning. In the LPR, which, according to the authors of some Telegram channels, is better prepared for a referendum (although, as you can understand from the text above, this is not entirely true) than other territories, general mobilization is still being carried out, people handed subpoenas and taken right on the streets, which is why many drivers even refuse to go on the routes.

In addition, martial law is still in effect in the republic. It is impossible to hold a referendum under the current conditions, for this it is necessary to cancel both mobilization and martial law, but there are doubts that the leadership of the republic will take this step. There is a very serious shortage of personnel in the People's Militia, and they replenish it just at the expense of mobilized citizens.

Will there be a referendum on 11/XNUMX?


Holding a referendum is important for the population of the liberated territories of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, because many residents fear that Russia will leave as part of another “goodwill gesture”, and people who cooperate with local authorities will fall under Ukrainian repression. However, there are a number of objective reasons that cast doubt on the possibility of holding it on September 11th.

Firstly, despite the statements of representatives of the administrations of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the territories are not ready for a referendum.

Secondly, due to the impossibility of holding a referendum in the DPR, it would be strange if the referendum did not take place in the Donbass, but took place in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - this would have hit the morale of the warring republics hard.

Thirdly, Moscow, apparently, still hopes to reach a compromise with Kyiv, and, despite the absence of any prerequisites for it, is not ready to burn all the bridges (otherwise the notorious "decision-making centers" would have been struck long ago) .

Fourthly, Kyiv is threatening to arrange a nuclear catastrophe at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, and holding a referendum under such conditions is dangerous.

Thus, the likelihood that the referendum will take place in September is low. How events will develop in reality, we will soon see.
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  1. +10
    20 August 2022 16: 09
    It can, in principle, be carried out only in the LPR. The entire territory was liberated, the front line was thrown back from the borders. The authorities have been formed. The rears have been cleaned up. TC can be done. On the other hand, there is no need to rush. Let the front line move even further.
    1. +7
      20 August 2022 16: 14
      It is premature to hold a referendum in September this year in the liberated territories. Devastation, constant shelling, high threat of terrorist attacks. In general, there are many reasons. Many of the things in the article are correct.
      1. +6
        20 August 2022 16: 19
        But the operation still goes according to plan. Get out, there's nothing to see here.
    2. +3
      20 August 2022 16: 21
      Where are you in such a hurry? The LPR will become part of Russia, but the DPR will not? How many people are in Russia and Ukraine in refugee camps.
    3. +4
      20 August 2022 18: 48
      And who is the author of this rubbish? The article frankly draws on the order, so that later we can be convinced that these lands and people should remain part of the Ukrainian lands, that the genocide on these lands, which will then be an "internal affair" of this non-country ???
      1. +2
        20 August 2022 19: 36
        But you can’t determine by style? By the title of the article.
        1. +1
          21 August 2022 15: 16
          It's strange that the article is in the "opinions" section (although, in a good way, it's time to sign the news, because it has traditionally been half of the author's personal opinion for a long time), but whose opinion is not indicated. Disorder, of course.

          https://topwar.ru/user/ViktorBiryukov/
  2. +3
    20 August 2022 16: 17
    I think it's too early to talk about referendums - the front line is too close and other dills feel at ease in the liberated territories.
    1. +1
      20 August 2022 16: 36
      Quote: Leshak
      I think it's too early to talk about referendums - the front line is too close and other dills feel at ease in the liberated territories.

      you're right! A referendum can be held only when people are sure that they will not be fired upon or blown up at the polling stations.
      1. +4
        20 August 2022 17: 17
        Elena, and in Donetsk - and the queues were at the referendum. and what is there under artillery, gave, shelling. not only for these baubles. But they were walking - there were queues
        1. +1
          20 August 2022 18: 53
          Quote: Cowbra
          in Donetsk - and the queues were at the referendum. and what is there under artillery, gave, shelling. not only for these baubles. But they were walking - there were queues

          All right. But such a referendum can still be protested. Like, there were no people, they were evacuated, or everything was at gunpoint, or where did you get the lists? All falsification ... All the same, it’s better when they don’t fire, and observers should be invited. And I'll tell you a secret that people in Donetsk are especially persistent (you and I know this), but I'm not sure whether they have the courage to come to vote in the same Zaporizhia, Odessa ... I'm not sure.
          1. +2
            20 August 2022 20: 20
            hi Here I am not sure. But the native Russian lands should not be left to the dill. We have one road, go to the border with the EU. And in this situation, in order to cleanse all Russian lands of filth, we need a land army of at least one million people. I don't count aviation. And so, of course, 350 thousand hp Considering all types of troops. So we will trample on until the second coming.
          2. 0
            22 August 2022 02: 06
            Quote: Egoza
            we know it with you

            No, I really don't know. Del so. It’s easier for me - they’re straining me - but I’ll answer. I do not understand those, that's what, I'll name many now. I was not under them, and could not. Immediately - either way, either. No, I can’t bend, it was checked. I do not remember who had such a phrase. a slight variation of cowardice - to immediately respond, they say, even if they kill - it's still faster. And here's how to live. and stay on your own. This is really strong
  3. -3
    20 August 2022 16: 28
    Well, yes. And let's - like this, from the bulldozer.
    Gentlemen, to whom I am at the place of birth - to the regions ... Well, I have nothing to do with it. I have for the Donetsk region. well, for example, a voyage to Rostov twice ... To the hospital, et. Well, it’s horrible - can I speak for this? Yes, militia, and so it was
    I can speak for that. that you are parasites. They didn't fight. did not fight, you - for the fourth time to restore? Are you people? Build your area - we will help. But I. you, the nits, who sat and watched the execution of Marik or Odessa - I am not obliged to you, each of you is obliged to me rather. I don’t ask you for this - and no one asks, I even said I’m almost alone, I think
  4. -3
    20 August 2022 16: 33
    Which of the Russian dignitaries voiced the referendum plans?
    Transnistria held such a referendum in 2006, so what?
    Talk about joining the eastern regions to the Russian Federation is used to put pressure on Kyiv in the upcoming negotiations.
    1. +4
      20 August 2022 17: 10
      You still don’t remember the Crimean referendum in 1994.. About dual citizenship, the result of which was the OCCUPATION OF THE REPUBLIC OF Crimea by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the liquidation of the self-government of the Republic. well, there are many more
  5. +5
    20 August 2022 16: 54
    author ... before writing, it would be nice to go there yourself ... otherwise these couch arguments are very far from reality ... for example, in Kherson there is a huge queue to obtain a Russian passport ... THIS IS A PROBLEM AND NOT A REFERENDUM .. and the more residents will become citizens of Russia, the sooner VICTORY will come
    1. +1
      20 August 2022 17: 19
      Quote: olegactor
      for example, in Kherson there is a huge queue to obtain a Russian passport ... THIS IS A PROBLEM AND NOT A REFERENDUM .. and the more residents become citizens of Russia, the faster the VICTORY will come

      Here is the question itself. And the Ukrainians are giving up at the same time?
      1. +4
        20 August 2022 17: 35
        Here is the question itself. And the Ukrainians are giving up at the same time?

        In CRIMEA, they didn’t pass either .... and something has changed from this
  6. -6
    20 August 2022 17: 02
    the author turned down - the armies almost do not move. grab your gun and go!! release slowly! do you need to go to the forehead fortifications in concrete ???
    1. +1
      20 August 2022 17: 12
      And so they go head-on in the DPR.
    2. +4
      20 August 2022 17: 22
      You apparently don’t know that the Ukrainian fortified areas in Maryinka, near Avdeevka and Peski (which they eventually took, but at what cost?) are being stormed in the DPR, just the same in the forehead, with significant losses and with dubious successes? Not? Then I advise you to express your "competent" opinion less, and first get acquainted with the real situation on the fronts.
      1. +4
        20 August 2022 18: 15
        Victor, did you forget to subscribe to the article?
        1. 0
          20 August 2022 19: 10
          Yes, I forgot :) But in my profile it is displayed anyway.
      2. +2
        20 August 2022 20: 19
        Viktor, and honestly, one can say that the NWO is stuck. No matter how much they talk about success .. Sadness. with destroyed infrastructure, flows of refugees in different directions. But the Kremlin clearly understands that there is no money for subsequent restoration, and the oligarchs will not invest for free.
        1. -3
          20 August 2022 20: 53
          I absolutely agree with you. If you have read my other materials, then I write, in fact, about the same. The SVO is not exactly bogged down - we are witnessing a positional impasse, when the offensive potential of the allied forces is actually exhausted, it is impossible to achieve any significant success with the existing resources. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are still receiving Western weapons, will step up strikes against the military and civilian infrastructure and the LDNR and in the Russian Federation itself. In fact, we are seeing this. Those. you either need to dig in and finally move into a positional war of a defensive plan with attempts to negotiate, primarily with the West (which at the moment looks like a little promising occupation, to say the least, but in the future the situation may change, making long-term forecasts now, perhaps, no one can), or announce mobilization, hit on bridges, electrical substations, etc., i.e. start a hard "total" war. However, this scenario is also not obvious, fraught with consequences and does not guarantee a 100% result. Not to mention the moral side of the issue. And there are no "good" options anymore.
          1. +2
            20 August 2022 23: 58
            Quote: Viktor Biryukov
            NVO is not that stuck - we are witnessing a positional dead end, when the offensive potential of the allied forces is actually exhausted, it is impossible to achieve any significant success with the existing resources
            I thought where did I read this?
            August 20 - SM.News news agency. Western officials believe that the special operation is practically suspended, and neither side can currently launch an offensive that could significantly affect the course of the conflict, writes Bloomberg.
        2. +1
          21 August 2022 17: 04
          Quote: parusnik
          NWO is not carried out in a humane way. But in reality, with destroyed infrastructure, flows of refugees in different directions.

          NWO would go much more vigorously if we had a serious technological superiority. And he is not. At the tactical level with drones, guidance, detection, full seams, with high-precision weapons, the same trouble. What can I say with the connection everything is bad. The level of command is also a separate pain. It remains only to hope for the heroism of the fighters, which, as the conflict drags on, becomes more and more ephemeral. People get tired of being heroes without a clear, visible perspective.
      3. -6
        20 August 2022 21: 06
        You seem to be well acquainted with the situation at the fronts, you are our couch expert.
  7. -1
    20 August 2022 17: 20
    The author expressed the opinion of the 5th column. And I think that it is worth holding referendums on joining Russia, in the Zaporozhye region, and incl. in the DLNR, and other, who wish, regions of Ukraine. We were talking about ... whether 2014, when almost the entire east of Ukraine, after the Crimean spring, shouted, demanded to join Russia, but time was mediocrely lost. And here again. But life and history shows that the more difficult, the more tragic the time in which a chance of choice is given, the more significant the result. Gentlemen, then, why did everything start in Ukraine?
    1. 0
      20 August 2022 17: 58
      And if the outcome of the referendum is - no?
      Of course, they will consider it as it should, but even if 40 percent are against it?
      Somewhere, these tens of thousands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are mobilizing, not burning with the desire to go over to our side.
      Then what to do? Deport half the population?
  8. +2
    20 August 2022 18: 32
    We have no visible preparation! Such events are always preceded by work on the creation of commissions, polling stations, compiling lists, and the like. Alas, but for now, this is a fact.
  9. 0
    20 August 2022 22: 07
    The entire Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are waiting for the referendum. Nikolaev and Odesa for the future "blows in the mind." But ... if on the Day of the Navy, the Bendera people dropped something that exploded on the specially guarded headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, and then blew it up at the guarded strategic facility in Saki, then there is a big doubt that they will not do this with polling stations.
    So, so that Nikolaev and Odessa "in their minds" would not write ZERO to themselves, a referendum in the Donbass must be held safely to the highest degree. There is no need to rush like naked to the bath. But to achieve victory faster, it is very necessary. People are waiting everywhere...
  10. -5
    20 August 2022 23: 37
    You have to push to the end. Zelya will soon disappear like a political corpse, Biden will simply die stupidly. Who is the vice now?
  11. 0
    21 August 2022 18: 26
    Referenda must be held. Other regions will see this and understand that Russia will not leave and will not leave. And that they will be part of Russia.
    And with these negotiations already zadolbali.