TsNIITochmash is preparing the third batch of Udav 9X21 mm pistols for shipment to the troops

The new pistol "Udav" 9X21 mm, developed specifically for the Russian Ministry of Defense, continues to undergo trial operation, another pilot batch is preparing to go to the troops weapons. This was reported by the press service of TsNIITochmash.

As reported, the Udav pistol has not yet been adopted for service, the documents for this are ready, but not signed. The developer continues to supply pilot batches of pistols to the troops, to date two have already been sent, and a third is being prepared for shipment. The military buys a pistol in small batches.

Since 2020, TsNIItochmash has already delivered two initial batches of 6P72 pistols to the Russian Armed Forces and is now working on the third batch

- leads TASS message.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense plans to purchase more than 3 Udav pistols in two modifications: 6P72 for troops and 6P72-1 for special forces. The special package of the pistol includes a silencer and a laser pointer capable of operating in day and night modes. As previously reported, the new pistol is mainly intended for special forces and intelligence officers, but drivers, signalmen, logistics specialists, etc. will also be armed with it.

The self-loading pistol "Udav" uses a cartridge of 9x21 mm caliber, specialized ammunition has been developed for it. Firing range 50 meters, magazine capacity 18 rounds. Dimensions: length 206 mm, height 145 mm, width 36 mm. The curb weight of the pistol is 980 g. In the unloaded version, the pistol weighs 200 g less. At a distance of 50 m, the bullet pierces a sheet of armor up to 4 mm thick.

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[Mavrikiy]

designed for special forces and intelligence officers, but they will also be armed drivers, signalmen, MTO specialists etc.

What was that? Misprint or nonsense?

[ermak124.0]

It would be nice to show the audience more photos.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ermak124.0

It would be nice to show the audience more photos.

[Nexcom]

why does he have such gaps between the shutter casing and the shutter frame - at 6:36 if you stop the video - it is very clearly visible. dust and dirt will accumulate there, especially during military operation. Yes, and the intro video is also clearly visible.

[Damir_N]

For drivers, motorcycles, etc. PM behind the eyes, and why the hell do they need it? For the driver / signalman, the AK shorty is more useful.

[Konnick]

For drivers, motorcycles, etc. PM behind the eyes, and why the hell do they need it? For the driver / signalman, the AK shorty is more useful.

All of the above require conventional weapons. And this is confirmed in the staffing table.

[mitroha]

Quote: Mavrikiy

designed for special forces and intelligence officers, but they will also be armed drivers, signalmen, MTO specialists etc.

What was that? Misprint or nonsense?

Probably it

in two versions: 6P72 for troops and 6P72-1 for special forces

[marc75]

Everyone is following the path of reducing the mass of personal weapons, we are following the path of increasing, it is heavier than the PM, especially for specialists they are positioned, the silencer and the laser pointer will add more mass and it will turn out to be somewhere around 1,3 kg

[Rustic]

But nothing that your entire "civilized world" is changing a pistol weighing 961gr. for a couple, for a pistol weighing 833gr. under the same pair. While we are changing 730 gr. 9*18 on 780 gr. under a much more powerful 9 * 21.
780+9*21 is very far from 833+9*19. A couple, objectively outlived itself no matter how good it seemed before. And to change the awl for soap, which is a little easier - he still drank. If "Boa" has flaws and childhood illnesses, they just need to be corrected. The gun itself is very good. Better than what some people who consider themselves the whole world are trading for.
Just do not talk about the curb weight and even with a body kit. It is clear that a more powerful cartridge and weighs more. And then if, as you judge, in the first place there will be a tube with a paper lump aka a spittle. Weight - finally nothing! Slaughter - yes, in general, the same.

[Alnair]

PM must burn in the fires of hell.

[Konnick]

PM must burn in the fires of hell

I would choose a more reliable PM than this new, untested

[Konnick]

With one hand, can you shoot from this Boa constrictor? Or is high-speed aimed shooting impossible?

[mad big]

High-speed aimed shooting is impossible in principle. More precisely, it is available only to specialists, in the presence of constant hard training. And hardly with one hand. It’s no problem to hit the silhouette, but requiring a squirrel to hit the eye is beyond my understanding.

[Konnick]

With the PM, high-speed aimed shooting is possible, even more so with the PSM, since the recoil is small and it takes less time to return to the aiming point. With the same "gun" held with two hands, shooting turns into "hold me tight."

[Rustic]

With the same "gun" held with two hands, shooting turns into "hold me tight."
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So maybe the problem is not in weight, but in a more powerful cartridge? For good, someone would compare M9, M17, and Boa constrictor. But the fact that the Boa constrictor will "kick" more with less weight than the first two. This is generally understandable. But the enemy will fly the same thing more. The bullet, as it is now fashionable to say, is very pungent for a pistol

[Konnick]

But the enemy will fly the same thing more. The bullet, as it is now fashionable to say, is very pungent for a pistol

The main thing is to get there faster, and there it will break through the bulletproof vest or not, but only the ribs will break is not so important. A second shot at a stunned opponent can solve a further problem.

[Rustic]

A second shot at a stunned opponent can solve a further problem.

it's true. No one has canceled "suppression" fire. But what if the enemy thinks the same way? The likelihood is high. That there already who has risen that and the rights. I think that for the police 9 * 21 is redundant. They and Parabelum will be enough for their eyes. But in the current army realities, the Couple is already not enough. So as an army caliber 9 * 21 just right.

[Alnair]

PM simply should not exist. We live in the 21st century

[hhurik]

PM will survive everyone - because it fits perfectly into the needs of the army. Army pistol is used for:
1. Designations "who's in charge here"
2. Inspiration of personnel (visual)
3. Encouragement of the owner (such as: "I'm also armed")
4. Inspiration of personnel (knuckles)
5. Passing the officer test for shooting
6. Entertaining banging after item 5 in the process of celebrating item 5
7. Opening bottles with crown caps (often beer)
8. Inspiration and encouragement of the personnel (firearms in the back of the head and ass)
9. Shooting at an unfaithful wife
10. Shooting yourself as a last resort.
It is highly desirable that the weapon be resistant to drunken handling.

[mad big]

Tell me about rapid-fire aimed fire from the PM, otherwise I probably don’t know something. And especially about PMS. You probably didn't shoot that many of them. The gun is so strict.

[Konnick]

Tell me about rapid-fire aimed fire from the PM

Now, of course, I won’t find this video, but on a foreign channel there were comparative tests on shooting in a closed room with many targets, some special forces performed the test, and of all the pistols, and there were, in my opinion, 10 brands, it is better and faster performed the test with PM. To everyone's surprise, he chose the PM, explaining this by less recoil, which allowed him to change aiming points faster than more powerful pistols. And he performed the test with one hand, since he did not shoot while turning towards the targets, but simply aimed the pistol only with his hand, moving straight, without raising the pistol above his chest, offhand, and not as it is now fashionable, holding the pistol in two outstretched hands, as in Hollywood films
Well, PSM has even less return. Still 5,45x18.

[mad big]

I had my shooting range under my supervision and a bunch of different iron in a safe for almost eight years. Such a circus can be shown if you live in a shooting range and burn cartridges with buckets. Don't watch cartoons. In life, everything is much simpler and much tougher.

[Fizik13]

Technology. technology and more technology.
Special forces have many different calibers and ammunition for them, this is understandable, there are many different tasks and goals. Export deliveries, 9x21 mm is a common standard in the world. And how to combine 9x18 mm and 9x21 mm ammunition in mass operation. After all, there is a PMM, which also has a magazine capacity of 18 rounds and for which more powerful 9x18 mm ammunition has been developed, which are more powerful than the NATO standard.

[Rustic]

9x21 mm is a common standard in the world.

Do you mean 9*21 IMI? And would you, from your hand, shoot with a pistol designed for imi when at least SP10 is loaded in it? And if 7Н42? There is no talk about SP10UZ. No one will shoot them adequately from the hand. I would have moved further away.

[Alexfly]

It is very difficult to answer immediately in the affirmative, but if the diameter of the bullet matches, then it is absolutely no problem, just pick up a sample of gunpowder. For example, in TT you can also use bullets from M1 Carbine, which are a third heavier ..

[Rustic]

The diameter is the same. But with the selection of the hinge. In regular cartridges, except for the manufacturer, few people bother with this. 9*21 IMI can be considered low power. In it from strength as in parabelum. While SP10 and even more so 7N42 are much more powerful. About SP10UZ, it’s generally a separate issue, this is a special cartridge for checking the locking mechanism. Accordingly, the first two weapons designed for these cartridges should freely digest, and even withstand the third shot. But to shoot with these cartridges from weapons designed for IMI, that’s still a roulette, you can easily catch the shutter in the lobeschnik.

[Alexfly]

If you are in the subject, then each powder manufacturer places weight tables, depending on the bullet, you can easily pick it up ... The bullet in the SP10UZ mass, for sure, does not differ much in weight .. the pressure is approximately the same as in the old TT .. SO THE PISTOL is not crumble ... Alas .. nothing will fly into the forehead ..

[Rustic]

Do you really believe that the cartridge manufacturer selects gunpowder from different manufacturers according to the tables? I am not a cartridge factory technologist, but I have big doubts about this. The mass of the bullet, yes, is not particularly different. But the pressure is very decent. The very strong 7,62 * 25 TT has 210, the SP10UZ has 290. A third more. Not such a small difference.

[Alexfly]

TT: 500-690 J, Boa constrictor: 635J - official data. SP10UZ - 9-mm cartridge with enhanced charge. Designed to test the strength of the locking mechanism of small arms during factory tests. The bullet is 1 gram heavier. It can be said more powerful ... Penetration? Nobody tested TT under such a bullet ... Rhetoric

[Rustic]

The question is not in the pool, and not in its energy. SP10UZ is a special cartridge, and its use in the army is strictly prohibited. Just because when they fire, there is a far from illusory chance of destroying the weapon. Perhaps for the TT the same was such a cartridge. But then there were no "these Internets of yours", and for the disclosure of such information one could sit down on a fresh stump, somewhere in the Kolyma.
If we compare the penetration of the TT cartridge, again which one, there are also several of them. And then it is necessary to compare with 7H42, or with the usual SP10. And again, with what weapon? If it is a gyurza, then most likely the TT will be somewhere nearby, while the heather of the TT will definitely bypass, but this is already a topic in the direction of the PCA. It's hard to say by the way. I think in terms of energy and speed it will turn out to be slightly weaker than the TT with a 41m cartridge.
So in general yes. Boa constrictor and TT in terms of power can be considered close weapons. Boa constrictor in terms of penetration is generally better due to ammunition. Nevertheless, an armor-piercing bullet and a "chisel" are designed to break through protection. While in the days of TT they didn’t bother with this much, then it was more necessary to be simpler and cheaper.

[Alexfly]

The 7N42 bullet is lighter than the SP10 bullet, since the metal insert, which is 30% lighter than lead. Accordingly, their energy will be different, penetration is a highly specialized issue. I just didn’t understand that this was the 41st TT cartridge ...

[Rustic]

I just didn’t understand that this was the 41st TT cartridge ...

7.62 P-41 with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet.

[Alexfly]

Rather, this is quiet nonsense, although the power of the cartridge is enough for mm 5. See below all the different bullets both in weight and in shape, with the exception of the rightmost one - the future keychain ...

[Alexfly]

here are all the different bullets from factory to home charging

[Alnair]

It's nice to see that MO is finally not afraid to experiment and try different things. Another problem with shoes solved

[hhurik]

Quote from Fizik13

Technology. technology and more technology.
Special forces have many different calibers and ammunition for them, this is understandable, there are many different tasks and goals. Export deliveries, 9x21 mm is a common standard in the world. And how to combine 9x18 mm and 9x21 mm ammunition in mass operation. After all, there is a PMM, which also has a magazine capacity of 18 rounds and for which more powerful 9x18 mm ammunition has been developed, which are more powerful than the NATO standard.

I'm embarrassed to say: the PMM magazine holds 12 rounds and the pestle has never been in service with the army. Branded reinforced cartridges for it have not been produced for many years, and, apparently, are not planned: the last PMM purchases were made (according to open sources) by the TFR and UFSIN in 2015 - there were no braking grooves in the chamber, i.e. pestles are designed for standard PM cartridges. 9x18 has never been a NATO standard.
Jewish 9x21 IMI and udavovsky are different. From the word at all. Export - no more, old Biden imposed a ban (CBW Act). Well, etc.