Russian Ministry of Defense laid responsibility for the possible consequences of a provocation with a reconnaissance aircraft on the UK

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The Russian Ministry of Defense warns the UK against carrying out a provocation with a reconnaissance aircraft and warns that its consequences will lie solely on the British side. This is stated in the statement of the Russian military department.

As the military explained, the UK has applied for a flight of the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft of the Royal Air Force along the route, passing, among other things, over the territory of Russia. The Ministry of Defense warned London that they consider this application as a deliberate provocation and said that all the consequences of deliberate actions would lie solely with the UK. The Russian Aerospace Forces received an order to prevent airspace violations.



The UK has filed an application with a flight plan (flight plan - VO note) for the flight of a British RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft along a route that also runs over the territory of the Russian Federation. We regard this action as a deliberate provocation.

- said in the message of the defense department.

Recall that on the eve of the British RC-135 electronic intelligence and electronic warfare aircraft "probe" Russian air defense in the North, violating the airspace of the Russian Federation in the area of ​​Cape Svyatoy Nos in the Barents Sea. The air defense forces on duty lifted a MIG-31BM fighter-interceptor into the air, which forced the British aircraft out of Russian airspace.

Apparently, London did not understand the warning and intend to arrange another provocation, the consequences of which can be quite serious, up to the destruction of the aircraft. Earlier, the Federation Council warned that the British were "playing with fire", deliberately going to violate the state border of Russia.
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    1. +49
      16 August 2022 17: 53
      she had to be knocked down, the shaves would have washed and quieted down
      1. +48
        16 August 2022 17: 57
        If they decide on a provocation, shoot down. In this case, we are talking about a deliberate, previously announced violation of the border.
        1. -6
          16 August 2022 19: 01
          A pre-announced violation is not a violation, but an act of good will.
          1. +16
            16 August 2022 19: 19
            The UK has applied to fly a RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft .... over Russian territory.

            And then you should expect a request for a B-1 / B-2 span. There is no end to the impudence of these creatures, if we also consider that the skies of Europe are closed for Russian aircraft. Just shoot down, enough to drive them away with MIGs.
            1. +5
              16 August 2022 23: 11
              Quote: 4ekist
              Just shoot down, enough to drive them away with MIGs.

              There is nothing to exaggerate here.
              UK application filed flight plan (flight plan - approx. VO) for the flight of the British reconnaissance aircraft RC-135 along the route, including over the territory of the Russian Federation. We regard this action as a deliberate provocation.

              Reject the application, shoot down everything flying without permission.
            2. +4
              16 August 2022 23: 54
              Why not plant?
              How much benefit.
              Does not obey - shoot down.
            3. +1
              17 August 2022 13: 54
              our inaction breeds impunity...
          2. 0
            16 August 2022 20: 52
            Quote: iouris
            A pre-announced violation is not a violation, but an act of good will.

            Well, it’s natural, it can’t be more free bully
            A Russian MiG-31 fighter jet made an "unsafe rendezvous" with a Royal Air Force reconnaissance aircraft while it was in international airspace over the Norwegian and Barents Seas, the Defense Ministry said after Moscow said the British plane crossed its state border. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11116219/Moscow-claims-fighter-jet-intercepted-RAF-spy-plane-near-missile-testing-sites.html
        2. +12
          16 August 2022 19: 44
          The Russian Ministry of Defense warns the UK against carrying out a provocation with a reconnaissance aircraft and warns

          I can understand everything. But maybe enough "warnings and warnings" already? Nobody canceled the classic "drag into the hawk", and the impudent Saxons do not understand the other because of their "exclusivity". angry am
        3. -2
          16 August 2022 22: 14
          The beaters do not have enough spirit.
        4. +2
          17 August 2022 06: 30
          If they decide on a provocation, shoot down. In this case, we are talking about a deliberate, previously announced violation of the border.
          It is necessary to shoot down them, bastards, so that they don’t even think about it, let alone announce it!
      2. +25
        16 August 2022 18: 01
        Well .. Taiwan 2.0 or eggs?
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 13: 56
          rather, only concern and concern for the safety of British property flying over our territory.
      3. +25
        16 August 2022 18: 17
        Since they didn’t shoot down yesterday, then a new provocation from the aggressors is inevitable ...
        1. +31
          16 August 2022 18: 20
          I really liked the comment on Vzglyade: we are submitting a counter application for a Caliber flyover over small Britain and added: with a landing approach laughing laughing laughing And without laughter - it was necessary to drown the Defender ...
      4. +5
        16 August 2022 18: 21
        And interestingly, ours grumbled, quarreled and allowed? So I haven't seen a definitive answer. This is our whole foreign policy, it seems to be possible, but the Britons must prepare for serious concerns. Interestingly scared?
        1. +2
          17 August 2022 01: 40
          If they are not afraid of serious concern, then ours will roll out an even more terrible thing - a gesture of goodwill
          1. +2
            17 August 2022 09: 56
            Quote from jdiver
            goodwill gesture

            A gesture of goodwill is generally out of bounds.
        2. 0
          17 August 2022 13: 57
          did we give them a reason to be afraid?
      5. +26
        16 August 2022 18: 22
        And then it was necessary and now it is necessary. This is the only thing left to do. The political fools from the Foreign Ministry and several other institutions would not have spoiled all the raspberries with their "fears" ... for their litter of pigs in the same England.
        1. +2
          17 August 2022 01: 43
          Foreign Ministry - forced people, they do not shoot down planes. They howl with what is at the disposal of the will of the country's leadership. Different caliber concerns, warnings, and even gestures.
          1. -3
            17 August 2022 09: 53
            You made a very naive statement, the essence of which has very little overlap with reality. You're trying to sound like an engineer who didn't design the system he maintains and never will again.
            Drop everything and take an interest in such a question as the theory of power. The postulates on which it now stands were formed long before the concept of an engineer appeared. They remain unchanged today. But, of course, if you are really interested in who and what governs the state.
            If you like to build your own guesses that do not oblige you to anything, then, of course, you should not persist.
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 11: 36
              thanks for the serious answer in fact, even though my comment was 50 percent sarcasm. I was quite deeply interested in the management of teams of people and the mechanisms and processes associated with this, including for practical use in work. This is rather not about power, as such, but about ways to achieve goals by the team. About the hierarchy of power in society, the mechanisms of its work and formation were also interesting to me. There are many things to discuss here for many beeches. And despite certain assumptions, and knowledge too, about its internal structure, I still really act as an engineer analyzing the black box of power in the country outside this box. And doing, let's say, reverse engineering of the internal principles of its operation and its structure by analyzing how this black box reacts to the flow of events entering it, I come to a very sad scheme of its design. And even knowing that this circuitry should not be an amusement circus, its goals are not the same, but looking at clowns at best and what they are doing in the arena of this circus, I experience, as is now customary, to speak a number of serious concerns. Hence the sarcasm. The topic is serious and, in general, offtopic to the main topic, although there is a lot to talk about here.
              1. 0
                17 August 2022 12: 03
                The sarcasm passes quickly when an understanding becomes available of how far into the past the seemingly irrational traditions of maintaining, strengthening and transferring power go. ... And what was eventually achieved by this.
                Today, people do not know how to live on, only because they do not know anything AT ALL.
                This is no coincidence. Because there are narrow circles that know everything perfectly and are preparing everyone else "for something new", there must be something new - such a paradigm is already evolving in society, this is how the majority will see it.
                But the minority sees it differently - they do not care about the intangible, these are extremely mundane people. ... They see only one thing - when a herd of rams is driven to another pasture, it is always worried, squealing and ringing bells on its necks. Therefore, so that the sheep do not scatter, it will be better if none of them knows anything in advance, so that the herd does not go in another direction. A ram is needed for harvesting meat and wool, his thoughts about the full value of personality development are relevant only before going to bed, so that the cut off grows faster, but not when moving from point A to point B. The desire of people for full value while ignoring the existence of parasitic systems in society is a powerful source enrichment of the latter.
                People were born to be happy and strive to reproduce for this what is not around, which is subsequently taken away by the authorities for use in the most barbaric way, trampling on everything that a person strives for.
                That's who we all are to those who don't tell us anything, putting one clown after another on the podium. This is the current state of what governs people right now.
                And all the power of developed communication communications and public data banks can only begin to understand this state of affairs.
                Science developed, but power remained wild. In fact, today in this form it is a rudimentary organ or even a tumor on the body of society.
                Modern power exists only because it takes the place of an organ that has not yet been formed. It is its development that slows down the tumor, absorbing all the resources allocated for development. Modern society is an overgrowth without brains, practically deaf and blind.
                This is where your concern is rooted. You have suspected that there is something beyond what you are usually used to seeing.
                1. +1
                  17 August 2022 12: 20
                  I would like to add a lot to what you said, but there is practically nothing to correct from what you said. I agree with almost everything said. I just don’t understand where you got the idea that I see it somehow differently. I disagree, perhaps, only with your opinion that sarcasm passes when understanding comes. People are quite different internally. For some, for example, sarcasm comes with understanding. Among other things, sarcasm and other, more serious forms of dissatisfaction among the representatives of the "herd", this is an important feedback that, at the very least, the authorities take into account through a number of institutions. Since the people for power is an important resource used for their own purposes by those who are able to control this resource with various levers. If the government, no matter how wild it may be, ceases to control this feedback and change its management in accordance with the feedback, then the management becomes more and more inadequate to the real situation, and, in fact, the risk of failure of an inadequately controlled system increases. And by the steps that the authorities are trying to "stop" the dissatisfaction of such a resource as the people of their own country, one can also draw conclusions about its level of adequacy and real goals. Actually, this knowledge is located in the corridor that you described above. But let's not deprive the government, whatever it may be, of receiving feedback, and there will still be sarcasm, at least as long as the "goodwill gesture" and so on continues. :)
                  1. -1
                    17 August 2022 12: 30
                    It is difficult to feel sarcasm when you realize that you are flying into the abyss along with everything and everyone. The feeling of inevitability is not conducive to comparative analysis. The more you learn, the more useless it seems. That's why.
                    Power itself will not stop anything. You didn't understand anything. Power is a reflection of those over whom it stands. You cannot change it without changing yourself. You should read quantum physics, there is nothing at all straightforward and clearly consistent. Everything is connected there. Then you will have the necessary logical apparatus for perceiving social processes in society not at the level of the majority, which, let me remind you, does not have its own control mechanisms and will not develop further in this form.
                    1. 0
                      17 August 2022 12: 40
                      everyone is different. it is also a form of defensive reaction to such sensations. When you see the catastrophic level of inadequacy of social management, you assume with a high degree of certainty that you know what real goals and conditions dictate this inadequacy from the point of view of a person who is outside the upper nodes of managerial hierarchies, and you predict the contours of future events leading to aggravation of situations that manifest themselves over and over again , then there are not so many applications of one's will - at 5 meters around oneself, do as it should be. There is more power - it will not be 5 meters, but 50, or 500. The world is now such that everyone keeps their 5 meters of front around themselves, even when those around them do not understand it yet. In other words, "do what you must and come what may." Something like this. Well, sarcasm, as one of the forms of exhaust in this process :)
                      1. -1
                        17 August 2022 12: 59
                        OK. This thread is not for this forum. And, yet, not for this time. But, it's not long to wait... for something new. And not Russia will be a trendsetter here. Good day.
                        1. 0
                          17 August 2022 13: 15
                          And have a good day. I just want to end by saying a thing that is not at all for this forum, and, in general, not for analyzing only the rational aspects of what is happening around. Without proof of this thesis, it exists, but for a long time :) The people are a living organism with a complex internal structure, consisting of cells of various types. To facilitate the achievement of their goals, each nation builds a state - something like an exoskeleton, consisting of the cells of the people, but having its own consciousness, as the cybernetic controllers of the mechanisms of real exoskeletons have it. Actually, by analyzing the state exoskeletons (will enhancers) that this or that people creates, it is possible to analyze the nature and goals of the people themselves as a living system with consciousness. But it is possible (with external help) to make such an exoskeleton that will gradually strangle its supposed owner. But I didn’t even want to say this, but the fact that each of us is just a cell of a large and conscious organism of the living Russian People, and we simply cannot see what his consciousness sees from his height. We can feel anxiety at our level from the fact that our whole body is in a difficult situation and we are all in the same team, and our common fate is in trouble or in victories. But the task is the same at its level to do what you must and can do as it should. Others will take care of the rest, who will not have to drag behind us what we did not do in our place. No matter how difficult it may be in the future, do not lose heart, there are living systems that have much more wisdom than each of us, and we are "of the same blood" with them. God plays with the pieces that are. And the result of this game will not be what the wild current government sees it.
                        2. -1
                          17 August 2022 13: 36
                          Yeah)) Good day.
                  2. 0
                    17 August 2022 13: 55
                    States with all their contents are food and material from which a new future is being built very cheerfully today with all the consequences.
                    1. +1
                      17 August 2022 14: 45
                      The material for the construction of future structures is always taken from the present. Each of us is composed almost entirely of atoms that used to be part of an actively living star. :) Concerns about our government are connected with this. I really don’t want the stupidity, greed and unscrupulousness of some representatives of bipeds without wings to become the reason that people close to you or societies will become bricks in a strange building before the allotted time. However, not everything depends on our desires, and even more so on our concerns. I'm not talking about goodwill gestures anymore :)
      6. +1
        16 August 2022 19: 00
        No, we need to send a reconnaissance plane directly to England. Do you think they will hit? Will they be afraid?
      7. +1
        16 August 2022 19: 23
        Quote: -sh-
        she had to be knocked down, the shaves would have washed and quieted down

        Ours act in accordance with the charter of the guard service. How is it prescribed? item 1. - "Stop! Who's coming?". item 2. - "Stop, I will shoot." item 3. - A warning shot in the air. p.4.- Shooting to kill. While the first item was executed, i.e. shout - "Stop! Who goes?" laughing wink
        1. +2
          16 August 2022 19: 37
          So "you won't shout" to them, you had to immediately: - "I'm shooting"! Only in this way (probably) will they understand!
        2. +6
          16 August 2022 20: 24
          Quote: Piramidon
          "Stop, I'll shoot"

          - I'm standing!
          - I'm shooting!
          The crew of the MiG-31 was supposed to force the intruder to land at their airfield, and in case of refusal to comply with the commands, to shoot down. Previously, Russian (Soviet) planes shot down intruders there more than once.
      8. 0
        16 August 2022 20: 30
        But who will take this prey? Rocket from the ground or give the plane to be torn to pieces?
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 13: 57
          Half a day for looting lovers of color meth, pilots with bags on their heads to Chechnya to raise the national economy for two years.
      9. 0
        16 August 2022 21: 14
        The UK has filed an application with a flight plan (flight plan - approx. VO) for the flight of a British RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft along a route that runs, including over the territory of the Russian Federation.

        Russia needs to apply for a flight over Europe and Britain .. well, there is "Sarmat" or "Dagger", purely for informational purposes))
    2. +4
      16 August 2022 17: 54
      Liz Truss won't choose herself...
      wassat
    3. +10
      16 August 2022 17: 54
      Knock down and no nails .....
      1. -3
        16 August 2022 20: 25
        There are no nails. Everything is made in China.
    4. +24
      16 August 2022 17: 54
      Shoot down any British aircraft entering Russian airspace. Throw him like a dove - I have a photo of a US plane shot down by Russians, I'll go and see if I find it.
      In Havana, I took this nice shot in 2006. They say that Fidel was with the Russians and that he pressed the button
      1. +15
        16 August 2022 18: 40
        Comrade, you have a gift from me, U2 was shot down by this man. He pressed the start button twice. Alexander Artyomovich Ryapenko. Sochinets.
        1. +8
          16 August 2022 18: 57
          My uncle, being on an emergency, transmitted a cipher message during the passage of Powers. He is now 82 years old.
          1. +8
            16 August 2022 18: 59
            Health to your uncle. Thank you.
            1. +1
              18 August 2022 12: 29
              Thank you, sometimes, over a glass of semi-sweet, he likes to remember his service as a clerk in the secret part. He also recalls how, after demobilization, with a friend, he came to him in Kyiv to enter a university and how their grannies in a soldier's uniform were treated to pies. Surprised market abundance of products.
        2. +3
          16 August 2022 19: 44
          My father studied at the VIRTA academy with one of the participants in those events, who was awarded the Order of the Red Star for Cuba. After returning, he entered VIRTA in Kharkov, studied with his father in the same group. After the academy, my father was again "dressed" in a black uniform and, one might say, returned to the Navy (after school he was changed into a green uniform and sent to air defense, such turns happen, he finished his service with the rank of captain of the 1st rank), and his classmate continued to serve in air defense, but we lived relatively close by, we often visited. The name of his father's classmate was Datsyuk Anatoly Avraamovich, in Cuba he was a senior lieutenant. Unfortunately, he died 5 years ago.
          1. +3
            16 August 2022 19: 54
            I'll try to find the entire calculation of the air defense system complex. The one who took part in the downing of U 2 with Andersen. Thank you.
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 23: 10
              SW.tralflot1832. I'm embarrassed to ask: who is (you mentioned) Mr. Andersen?
              what
              1. +1
                17 August 2022 00: 07
                In my opinion, the pilot is U 2.? Who was flunked in Cuba.
                Major Rudolf Andersen.
        3. +4
          16 August 2022 19: 46
          thanks comrade
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 19: 58
            For U 2, Alexander Artyomovich Ryapenko received the Order of the Red Banner. He is the first in the top row. In the photo on the right.
    5. +3
      16 August 2022 17: 55
      Very close casus belli
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 18: 34
        Quote: Sankiny
        Very close casus belli

        Pi_moose island. Just arrogant-ssaki provocateurs. If they still fly, it will be great.
        1. +2
          16 August 2022 18: 56
          Quote: Bulls.
          If they still fly, it will be great.

          Do Korean Airlines fly in our area now? Or Malaysian? Probably a provocation will be with the airlines of friendly countries. Their blue Chinese dream over the sea (so that no traces remain)
    6. +15
      16 August 2022 17: 56
      As long as our drivers are chewing something with their hands, the provocations will continue. I think you violated it, get a rocket.
    7. +4
      16 August 2022 17: 56
      The military attaché of England is called in at the Russian Foreign Ministry and let him sit in the office, when crossing the plane of the reconnaissance officer of the Russian border, let him give the order to shoot him down. Before that, you can open some edge of the map in front of him. all sides. Gentlemanly. We take a kilogram of vodka and a can of herring and wait for the denouement.
    8. +20
      16 August 2022 17: 56
      The impudence of the impudent Saxons has no chapel. What application. The flight of Russian aircraft is closed. Accordingly, the flight of all aircraft of unfriendly countries over RUSSIA is closed
    9. +9
      16 August 2022 17: 58
      We warn, we express concern, we threaten to strike at decision-making centers, but no one is itching. What they want is what they do. Why this happens is unclear. request sarcasm if so.
    10. +6
      16 August 2022 18: 00
      don't get hit. in the worst case, they will try to force them to land. but to bring down - do not dare.
    11. +4
      16 August 2022 18: 01
      Once they warned, then in case of crossing the border, force them to land, no, so KILL ...
    12. +4
      16 August 2022 18: 04
      Our job is to warn ... and then their actions ... so to speak, at their own peril and risk ...
      1. +4
        16 August 2022 20: 17
        Quote: Mouse
        Our job is to warn ... and then their actions ... so to speak, at their own peril and risk ...

        After our empty warnings, they lost their fear.
    13. RGB
      +1
      16 August 2022 18: 08
      Today I watched him fly on a flight radar.
      1. RGB
        0
        16 August 2022 18: 09
        Why can't my photos embed?
    14. +4
      16 August 2022 18: 09
      Don't forget to draw the red line. It's a shame to read such responses to provocations. The answer must be in style, if the boundary is violated it will be knocked down.
    15. -13
      16 August 2022 18: 24
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      Shoot down any British aircraft entering Russian airspace. Throw him like a dove - I have a photo of a US plane shot down by Russians, I'll go and see if I find it.
      In Havana, I TAKE this nice shot in 2006. They say that Fidel was with the Russians and that he pressed the button

      What is a stream of consciousness? MEMBER separately can you tell?
      1. +10
        16 August 2022 18: 32
        He is not Russian. Writes through google translator
    16. +5
      16 August 2022 18: 26
      As the military explained, Great Britain applied for a flight of the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft of the Royal Air Force along the route passing, among other things, over the territory of Russia. that is, this one is very "friendly" well, not at all ... I remember it in the year 198 ... we had a Boeing in the Far East ... oh, there was so much squealing and wringing of hands .... and what's most interesting ... now even flies from the taiga ask permission to take off in formation ... that's a paradox
    17. +6
      16 August 2022 18: 27
      The answer is simple to their claims to fly over Russia:
      Flight on the territory of Russia is not allowed.
      If the border is violated, he will be forcibly imprisoned.
      If he does not obey, he will be shot down.
      Destroyed.
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 18: 47
        Exhaustive...
    18. +2
      16 August 2022 18: 30
      The heat has gone. They will answer for Defender's dirty tricks.
    19. +4
      16 August 2022 18: 30
      And what is the route? Over the Crimea or what? If our territorial waters are slightly "hooked" there, then there is some freedom of maneuver - to raise fighters, push back, warn, etc. . Because this is not even the situation with Taiwan, especially not yesterday's episode over the Barents Sea - if you swallow this, then all that remains is to lower the flags over Simferopol and Sevastopol.
    20. +13
      16 August 2022 18: 32
      Something sad to me from our toothlessness. It makes me anxious.
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 20: 18
        Quote: Ural_engineer
        Something sad to me from our toothlessness. It makes me anxious.

        It's time for you to draw red lines.
        1. +4
          16 August 2022 23: 29
          It's time for you to draw red lines.
          Sergey, what are you talking about red lines are you talking
          For half a year of hostilities, I have seen two so far. And both of them pass through the territory of Ukraine: 1 - oil pipeline; 2 - gas pipeline. None of the warring parties touches them. I wonder why? Apparently it's MONEY... lol
          1. +1
            17 August 2022 08: 44
            That's what I'm talking about, the rest is just fluff.
        2. 0
          16 August 2022 23: 32
          Quote: lis-ik
          It's time for you to draw red lines.

          Lipstick.
          Also tint the eyelids to please the "partners".
          Westerners will only begin to distinguish the red lines when we stop covering the mausoleum!
    21. +1
      16 August 2022 18: 39
      Reject the application from the Brits. In case of illegal entry into the airspace of Russia, forcibly land or shoot down.
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 20: 25
        Reject application from Brits
        What for? I have to say, take the risk. smile
      2. +1
        16 August 2022 20: 25
        Allow flight. but only with our crew and an intermediate landing at our airfield. In all other options - to declare that we will shoot down without warning.
    22. +7
      16 August 2022 18: 47
      If only "seriousness" would not be repeated as with the British destroyer in the Black Sea, when it passed as it wanted through our waters, while the poor PSKR FSB tried at full speed to somehow catch up with it (the poor fellow could not) and even shot somewhere in the other direction from a brit, just not to get hit, the brit didn’t even understand that they were shooting at their soul ... Well, the SU-24 dropped stealth bombs at its course, though they are really “stealth”, no one saw them. Well, of course, do not forget the swollen cheeks of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation ...
    23. +1
      16 August 2022 18: 49
      already turned around
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    25. +1
      16 August 2022 18: 50
      And what, they want to allow the passage of a NATO reconnaissance aircraft over the Russian Federation? What if he sprays something? Let him bypass the fuel burns scarce.
    26. +2
      16 August 2022 18: 51
      Definitely shoot down, or land, but not "displace" in any way. All these displacements are like poultices to the dead.
      1. +6
        16 August 2022 19: 27
        but not to "crowd out"
        All similar cases previously passed under the designation "intercepted" ... This is what the blurring of concepts and definitions leads to. "Intercept an air intruder" in the terminology of air defense means to force to land in a specified place or shoot down. And all these "humane games" with the enemy lead only to impudent precedents.
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 20: 33
          I subscribe to your every word, comrade.
    27. +3
      16 August 2022 18: 54
      If there was nothing, then nothing will buit.
    28. +3
      16 August 2022 19: 01
      How much can you warn and express concerns? Fill up the vulture - quiet down. And so they just get into a rage.
      1. +9
        16 August 2022 19: 04
        Another six months of talk about "strike on decision-making centers" and the drawing of "red lines" and our diplomats in Europe will simply be beaten in the face.

        And here's how it was in 1960. When people in uniform did not know about any red lines, and a potential enemy was considered exclusively as a military target.

        On July 1, 1960, a US Air Force RB-47H took off from Norton Base in Oxfordshire. The route of the aircraft passed along the coast of Norway, around the North Cape, and then southeast along the coastline of the Kola Peninsula, in international airspace about 80 km from the coast of Russia.

        As the RB-47H approached the end of the peninsula, it was intercepted by a Soviet MiG-19.
        Approximately 80 km. from Cape Svyatoy Nos, at the entrance to the White Sea, RB-47H began a turn to the northeast. During the maneuver, the MiG-19 broke away from the RB-47H and then turned back and attacked it.

        Two fire runs were made and the American reconnaissance aircraft was shot down.
        Of the six crew members, only Colonel Bruce Olmstead (co-pilot) and John McCon (navigator) survived, while all three reconnaissance operators died (they did not have parachutes).

        The Soviet Union subsequently explained that the American aircraft had violated Soviet territorial waters by approaching 19 km. to Cape Svyatoy Nos.

        Olmsted and McCone had to eject from a downed plane over the Arctic Ocean. They were picked up by a Soviet warship and imprisoned for seven months.

        “The KGB sent Olmstead and McCone to the dreaded Lubyanka prison in Moscow and accused them of espionage. They were kept in solitary cold cells with poor food and sleep deprivation, subjected to round-the-clock interrogations. They knew many secrets. But neither Olmsted nor McCone gave anything to the KGB in seven months.”

        This is already from the memoirs, respectively.
        1. +2
          17 August 2022 01: 53
          Quote: ivanec
          Another six months of talk about "strike on decision-making centers" and the drawing of "red lines" and our diplomats in Europe will simply be beaten in the face.

          In Turkey, the ambassador was shot dead, so "in the face" is already "a sign of thaw in partnerships"
    29. +6
      16 August 2022 19: 03
      Ehh! Vasya Tsymbal is not on them! Once upon a time he braved the local "Orions" well! ...
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 14: 30
        Quote: isv000
        Ehh! Vasya Tsymbal is not on them! Once upon a time he braved the local "Orions" well! ...

        ps Here is a human being - he didn’t shoot down a single plane, but went down in history as a thunderstorm of NATO pilots, from the Far East to the Northern Fleet!
    30. +5
      16 August 2022 19: 07
      Why chew snot, shoot down immediately and send submarines to the coast of impudence. Lisping and already DRG on the territory of Russia as at home.
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    32. +6
      16 August 2022 19: 14
      Yeah. Already openly spit in the face, and in response again an indistinct mumble.
    33. +3
      16 August 2022 19: 51
      This is something new - an application for a reconnaissance flight ..... Well, they laid it on, and then what? You have heard about responsibility and decision-making centers before, and what ... Airfields, power lines, villages. Wait until the next point arrives at the central square of Kursk or Belgorod?
      1. +1
        16 August 2022 20: 02
        Quote from Voronezh
        This is something new - an application for a reconnaissance flight ...

        She was nonetheless Yes

        Quote from Voronezh
        Well, they laid it down and then what?

        Quote: Article
        Apparently, London did not understand the warning and intend to arrange another provocation, the consequences of which can be quite serious, up to the destruction of the aircraft.

        And I would not shoot down, but tried to land. Delicious machine, a lot of useful things in it.
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 21: 50
          Plant this topic! But there will be screeching and threats ..... It will be necessary to put the strategic nuclear forces on high alert in order to cool the squealing.
          1. -1
            16 August 2022 21: 54
            Quote from Voronezh
            Plant this topic! But there will be screeching and threats ...

            Well, in any case, preparations for this have been made. Note MO means "who did not hide - I am not to blame."

            Quote from Voronezh
            It will be necessary to transfer the strategic nuclear forces to high alert in order to cool the squealing

            So they were already transferred there in February, EMNIS ...
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 22: 39
              It’s August now, if anything .... it’s impossible to keep it for so long, but why I won’t say ....
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 22: 43
                I only said that they brought it once - they will bring it a second time request
    34. 0
      16 August 2022 19: 58
      Quote: Piramidon
      Ours act in accordance with the charter of the guard service. How is it prescribed? item 1. - "Stop! Who's coming?". item 2. - "Stop, I will shoot." item 3. - A warning shot in the air. p.4.- Shooting to kill. While the first item was executed, i.e. shout - "Stop! Who goes?"

      No, it's different with them.
      "Stop, who's coming"?
      "I'm standing."
      "I'm shooting."
      And like Kuchma, to make excuses - well, it happens, it happened that way.
    35. +1
      16 August 2022 20: 13
      Sestrelit! am
    36. +3
      16 August 2022 20: 14
      Crazy island warriors are sure that we will not dare to be afraid of something there, and therefore there is nothing left for us but to land the wreckage of this scout.
      By and large, we still haven’t done anything to them except our threats about “decision centers.” The greater will be their amazement and deeper insight with the awareness of the level of criticality of the moment in which we are all! God and Truth are with us!
    37. 0
      16 August 2022 20: 26
      Quote: -sh-
      she had to be knocked down, the shaves would have washed and quieted down

      In-in.
    38. +2
      16 August 2022 20: 27
      Is there anyone at least a little in the subject? Question: application whom?
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 22: 00
        The FAP, the Federal Aviation Regulations, states that it is the responsibility of the departure aerodrome traffic control authorities to correctly address the application.
        As a rule, the recipient is our unified system of air traffic control, air force, air defense (now VKS). There may be others, power engineers, for example, when flying near the nuclear power plant prohibition zone.
        Who will say that the application was rejected?
        I think no. We started here, knocking down, not knocking down ...
        1. +1
          16 August 2022 22: 33
          i.e., application us. I agree: and why then all these pictorial gestures? Rejected quietly / calmly - and all salam.
          1. 0
            25 August 2022 15: 43
            So that's how they did it.
            The impudence was called a provocation, that's all.
    39. 0
      16 August 2022 21: 19
      At the Angles, the lid foamed. Soon telegrams will be sent to x. . And to be surprised at the reaction of the Russian Foreign Ministry. Allow the reconnaissance aircraft to reconnoiter your territories, we will fly over on the 5th. Fuck.
    40. +1
      16 August 2022 22: 41
      It is necessary for the investigator to express something to someone and excite something! Otherwise, the adversary is not scared! Otherwise!
    41. 0
      17 August 2022 02: 13
      Land for sure.
    42. +1
      17 August 2022 02: 18
      To shoot down immediately without hesitation, so that others would not be accustomed to. The power of Russia will be recognized and respected.
    43. +2
      17 August 2022 06: 26
      Uzbagoytes ... no one will shoot down anyone ..))) On the part of the British - test trolling, of course .. ours didn’t think of this .. it’s a pity .. Otherwise they would have asked officially for a pair of “bears” to fly through some Devonshire .. But in fact - after the recent incident, this is just another spit in the face of Russia ... No eggs - wipe yourself off .. Naturally, everything ...
    44. 0
      17 August 2022 06: 29
      Recall that on the eve of the British RC-135 electronic intelligence and electronic warfare aircraft "probe" Russian air defense in the North, violating the airspace of the Russian Federation in the area of ​​Cape Svyatoy Nos in the Barents Sea. The air defense forces on duty lifted a MIG-31BM fighter-interceptor into the air, which forced the British aircraft out of Russian airspace.
      It is necessary to shoot down them, bastards, so that they don’t even think!
    45. 0
      17 August 2022 08: 47
      completely swollen Saxonites
    46. -1
      17 August 2022 09: 11
      A disgrace, the Ottomans slapped our bomber without a word at all, soon all sorts of Latoliths will start to shoot down ours, and we are pushing everything out. Excuse me, but they already have us to the fullest, and we all show concern.
    47. 0
      17 August 2022 09: 27
      Time to show your teeth! am
      1. -2
        17 August 2022 13: 27
        "Well, I couldn't, I couldn't." What teeth? Not even cheap prostheses.
    48. -1
      17 August 2022 10: 11
      If the plane was "forced out", then there was no violation of the airspace, and someone distorted the information. Most likely, the British went into the air defense identification zone. Otherwise, ours would have been shot down with a clear conscience
    49. -2
      17 August 2022 13: 26
      They couldn’t shoot down (well, I couldn’t, I couldn’t), but we proudly declare that we ousted ... Yes, they don’t give a shit about the consequences of toothless air defense. If they had known they would get it, they would not have flown.
    50. Eug
      0
      17 August 2022 15: 27
      1. I suspect that the MiG crew can perfectly fly around the reconnaissance aircraft at 50 meters with the transition to supersonic and the beginning of a greater climb right above it ... well, or just gently shake it with a wake .. but these are assumptions.
      2. In international law, is there a concept of a flight of a military aircraft over the territory of another state by analogy with the passage through territorial waters in maritime law (which the Americans have repeatedly tried to implement in the Far East)? Somehow I hear about this for the first time, although I served in the Air Defense Aviation Administration, however, in a second-line regiment, but the analysis of situations, orders and orders were brought to us in exactly the same way ...
      PS We need a pilot with the psychology and skill of Vasily Tsymbal ...
    51. 0
      17 August 2022 18: 10
      Quote: iouris
      A pre-announced violation is not a violation, but an act of good will.

      So they are kind too. They brushed off the spy and that was it. The main thing is that this gesture is kind.

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