Great Scythia and the Middle East

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Great Scythia and the Middle East

The ancient civilizations of the Middle East - Egypt, Sumer, Akkad, Babylon, Assyria and others, are still given too much importance. Perhaps only Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome have received (and are receiving) no less attention. As a result, people get a distorted picture stories humanity, when other regions of the planet remain in the minds of "unknown lands". It is clear that the Near East was highly cultured in antiquity. It must also be remembered that its current population has almost nothing to do with the ancient peoples who lived there and left such a rich heritage. However, to attribute to this region all the main achievements of mankind is not worth it.

By the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st centuries, a sufficient amount of information had been accumulated, since this region was subjected to the most careful study by the scientific community, to conclude that the civilizations of the Middle East in the past have the strongest “gaps” in cultural continuity. And to understand that creative impulses for the restoration of collapsed states (at a new level) and the construction of new formations were received from outside.

In particular, the culture of agriculture in the Middle East was not local, but came from outside in 8 thousand BC. e. The "gap" in cultures is huge, it was a real revolution. The semi-wild clans have just been engaged in gathering and hunting, and suddenly cities (proto-cities) with a population of several thousand people appear, whose inhabitants have the skills to cultivate up to 14 types of cereals and livestock breeding technologies. These cities include present-day Jericho in Palestine and Chatal Uyuk (Chatal Huyuk) in southern Anatolia. So, according to the British archaeologist James Mellart, the Neolithic cultures of Anatolia marked the beginning of agriculture and animal husbandry, as well as the cult of the Mother Goddess - the basis of our civilization (Mellart J. The most ancient civilizations of the Middle East). Scientists called this event the "Neolithic Revolution" - there was a transition of human communities from a primitive economy of hunters and gatherers to a productive economy based on agriculture and animal husbandry.

Another gap that the Near Eastern cultures experienced was noted in 5 BC. e. Many old settlements - proto-cities perished, and for almost a thousand years the region sank to a more primitive level of development. At the end of 4 thousand BC. e. people of a different anthropological type than before are penetrating the region and bringing with them the technologies of the “Bronze Age”. The era of the famous civilizations of the Ancient World is already beginning, which, according to the majority, laid the foundations of modern human civilization.

The Sumerians in the interfluve of the Tigris and Euphrates were not the first inhabitants. They themselves believed that they came to this place from the "island of Dilmun." There is no way to find out what kind of island it was. The scientific world has generated several versions on this score. However, it is obvious that this was a southern "island", the Sumerians were people with clearly expressed Negroid features. But not all Sumerians were "southerners". The upper castes of the Sumerian city-states belonged to the "Nordic" (Indo-European) type. In the Sumerian royal burial grounds, people are found clearly of a different race than the bulk of the population. Apparently, we are witnessing a situation that has been preserved in India: the Sumerian aristocracy, the high priesthood and the bulk of the population correlated with each other, like the highest and lowest castes-varnas in India of the Aryan period. In addition, similarities were found between the objects of the material culture of Sumer and the steppes of Southern Russia. In particular, images of wagons found in the royal tombs of 3 thousand BC. e. similar to the chariots of the southern Russian steppes. Moreover, in the southern Russian steppes, these chariots appeared 2 thousand years earlier, which rejects the hypothesis that the “northern barbarians” borrowed the advanced experience of the “southerners”. E. Tseren in his work "Bible Hills" reports another interesting fact: a striking similarity was found between the tombs of the kings in Ur and some cemeteries in Greece, the eastern part of the Balkan Peninsula and in southern Russia. Similar forms of construction - vaulted and domed tombs - were characteristic of Greece and South Russia.

Thus, we find in Sumer traces of the influence of northern civilization - the Aryan (Indo-European) racial type of aristocracy, Aryan chariots, building techniques. Another example of the influence of the northern tradition is the sled. The Sumerians did not go to them (there was no snow), but they sent their rulers on their last journey. It was a national tradition of the Sumerian culture - in the sleigh of the kings of Ur decorated with gold and silver, lapis lazuli, with images of the heads of lions and bulls, they sent the kings of Ur on their last journey. It is interesting that this custom was preserved in Rus' (the direct successor of the Aryan, Scythian-Sarmatian civilization) until the Middle Ages. Grand Duke Vladimir Monomakh (1053-1125), feeling the approach of death, writes in his "Instruction": "Sitting already on a sleigh ...", in the sense of "preparing for death." And here is what the Czech researcher Lubor Niederle reports in Slavic Antiquities: “In Russian sources, according to which this custom is the only one known to us, there are several reports that the bodies of the deceased princes Vladimir, Boris, Gleb, Yaroslav, Mikhail, Svyatopolk (X - XII centuries), whether they were buried in winter or summer, they were brought to the burial place on a sleigh. In addition, people who were expecting their imminent death prepared sledges for their burial, and the old Russian expression "to sit on a sleigh" meant the same as "to be before death." This tradition continued for a long time in Russia and its south. This custom was also noted in other Slavic regions - in the Carpathians, in Slovakia, Poland and Serbia.

It is interesting that we also find sledges in ancient Egypt (as well as bronze swords of the northern type, dating back to the early history of Egypt). On the eastern side of the burial chamber of the Egyptian ruler Tutankhamun, a funeral procession is shown. The body of the pharaoh lies in a sarcophagus on a stretcher with images of lions; and the sarcophagus itself stands in the ark, which people drag on sledges to the tomb. As you know, snow in Egypt is an anomaly. They could not invent such an object as a sleigh in Egypt on their own. This item, which is of such importance for the burial of the king, was brought from outside. Moreover, representatives of the upper classes, the aristocracy. This is how the continuity develops between the civilization of the North (Aryans - Scythians and Rus-Slavs) and Ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt.

In the steppes of southern Russia, already in the middle of the III millennium BC. e. there was a developed arable, and, moreover, irrigated agriculture (at that time, the Sumerians still preferred hoe agriculture). Zehren's Biblical Hills poses the question: "Didn't the Sumerians learn the art of building canals and turning swampy lowlands into fertile land on the vast plains that stretch from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea?" The same question can be raised in relation to another ancient civilization of the Middle East - Egypt. Egyptian civilization was based economically precisely on artificial irrigation. The valley of the great river Nile in 5 thousand BC. e. represented literally "empty space". Rare families of hunters and fishermen roamed in the local swampy lowlands. However, by the end of this millennium there is a sharp qualitative breakthrough in the spiritual and material culture of this region. The rapid development of irrigation agriculture begins. And after a thousand and a half years in the Nile Valley, we already see the civilization that we are shown in many works of art and documentary works, with huge pyramids and temples. Usually such a heyday is preceded by centuries and millennia of prehistory, which create the basis for civilization. We do not observe this, there is no “preface”. From miserable few fishermen and a magnificent civilization, it is only a “step” in historical terms. Not in vain, against this background, a lot of “researchers” appeared who enthusiastically unearth “traces” of alien influence, a different mind.

In the first architectural monumental buildings of Egypt, for example, in the temple at the tomb of Djoser (considered the first pyramid in Ancient Egypt), an imitation of stone wooden pillars and a vaulted roof was found (in fact, this is the prototype of the Greek hall and the Christian basilica, which will appear in the West only after 3 thousand years). The prototype for this temple, in ancient Egypt before Djoser, there are simply no such buildings, they are the so-called. "pillar houses", a favorite type of dwelling in the expanses of continental Eurasia. This type of dwelling has been known since ancient times of the Yamnaya culture of South Russia - this is an archaeological culture of the late Copper Age - early Bronze Age (3600-2300 BC), it occupied the territory from the Southern Urals in the east to the Dniester in the west, from the North Caucasus in the south to the Middle Volga region in the north. With the dwellings of the cultures of the Middle East, where they do not know winter, these houses have nothing in common. Therefore, it is not surprising that buildings of this type appear in Egypt only at the "beginning" of its history, and then disappear.

There is every reason to believe that the civilizations of Sumer and Egypt received an "energy push" from the North, from the southern Russian steppes, through the Caucasus (most often the east, along the coast of the Caspian Sea) and Asia Minor. Migration of this type was recorded at a later time - the movement of the Cimmerians and Scythians to the Middle East, they could have been earlier. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain the emergence of the traditions of spiritual and material culture, which are typical of the civilization of the North, in the Middle East. They appeared with groups of settlers who brought their cultural traditions, advanced technologies at that time.

Obviously, the impact was not one-sided. The southerners quickly mastered advanced technologies, in the south they flourished, took on pretentious forms and tried to influence the northern civilization (primarily military). The campaign of the Persian ruler Darius in 512 BC. e. against Great Scythia was far from the first invasion from the South. There is evidence that even Ancient Egypt waged wars with Scythia. A number of ancient authors report on the wars that Pharaoh Sesostris waged with the Scythians. Several Egyptian pharaohs Senusrets are known under this name - there were three of them, their reign belongs to the Middle Kingdom, when Egypt reached the peak of its power. Sources report that the outcome of the wars was so successful for Egypt that the pharaoh's army invaded the Northern Black Sea region.

The Scythian element in Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine in the 2nd millennium BC. e.

Sources report that in the 17-16 centuries. BC e. Egypt and Mesopotamia were captured by a certain people who had a cavalry army. In Babylon they were called "Kassites", in Assyria - "Mitannians", in Egypt - "Hyksos". Sources do not report the origin of these peoples. One thing is clear - they came to the Middle East from outside, becoming another wave of immigrants. To understand the origin of these "mysterious" horsemen, it is enough to remember that at that time only the Indo-Europeans (Aryans), who lived in the vastness of Great Scythia, had developed horse-drawn transport.

The Indo-European origin of these warriors can be understood by a number of other signs. In particular, in the agreements of the state of Mitanni (it was founded by "horsemen" in the territory of Northern Mesopotamia and adjacent regions) with the Hittite kingdom (another state of the Indo-Europeans, in Asia Minor), dating back to the 14th century BC. e., the names of the gods of the Aryan pantheon are mentioned: Mitra, Indra, Varuna, Nasatya. Varuna is the god-father, creator and omnipotent; Mithra - the god-son, the god of the day and the sun; Indra - thunderer, conqueror of evil; the name Nasatya is associated with the cult of the divine twin horsemen, charioteers Ashvins (symbolizing dawn and sunset). The Kassite riders, who in 1595. BC e. established control over Babylon and ruled it in the XVI-XII centuries. BC. (in the XV century BC, the Kassites subjugate southern Mesopotamia), the sun god Surios was known - the Vedic Surya.

Some researchers of this period in the history of the region, for example T. Barrow, came to the conclusion that the language of the Mitanni population was the same as that of the Indo-Aryans. However, it is not customary to develop this topic, because this is a question related to Big Politics, the struggle that is going on for the planet. Western historians really do not want to admit the fact that the ancestral home of the Aryans (Indo-Europeans) is located in Russia. Both Indian and Western Asian Aryans came to the South from their ancestral home, the steppe and forest-steppe zone of Southern Russia. Migration impulses occurred at different times and went in different ways - through Central Asia, through the Caucasus, the coast of the Caspian Sea, through the Balkan Peninsula.

A new major migration of Indo-Europeans to the Middle East took place at the end of the XNUMXth and beginning of the XNUMXth centuries. BC e. This time, some sources speak directly about the Scythians. According to Egyptian sources, the country was attacked by the so-called. "peoples of the sea". So the Egyptians called in the XIV-XII centuries. BC e. previously unknown (or little known) to them northern peoples who lived beyond the Mediterranean Sea. Among the "peoples of the sea" were tribes: Sherdans (Shardans), Tirsenes, Tursha, Philistines, Chakkal, Danuns, Phrygians, Shakalesh, Achaeans, Garamants, Luki and Tevkry. The name "Shardans" is also mentioned in Russian sources, they say that the brothers Skif and Zardan went to war on the "Egyptian land". These shardans created the city of Sardis (the future capital of the Lydian kingdom) on the western coast of Asia Minor; part came to Italy, populating the island of Sardinia (its name is from their name).

Southern sources also connect the invasion of the "peoples of the sea" with Scythia. Some ancient authors talk about the wars of the Egyptian pharaoh Vesoz (a collective name like pharaoh Sesostris) with the Scythian ruler Tanai (perhaps this is a fictitious name or nickname associated with the Tanais River - Don). The Egyptians were the first to strike, the Scythians repelled it and answered. As a result of these wars, the city of Tanis (Tanais) was founded in the Nile Delta. However, Egypt resisted, calling on the help of neighboring tribes of Libyans and Ethiopians.

The affairs of the "peoples of the sea" were more successful in Palestine, the Philistines (Pelasgians) were entrenched there. They occupied the cities of Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gata, Gaza and founded Ekron. They possessed more advanced technologies (in particular, the technology for the production of iron weapons and agricultural tools) than the local Canaanites. The Philistines formed a coalition of 5 cities and were more interested in maritime affairs than in continental ones. At the same time, the Philistines were a powerful military force that slowed down the invasion of the nomadic Semites (ancestors of the Jews and Arabs), who at that time were at a very low stage of development. The Philistines more than once defeated the Semites, preserving a high culture in the region. According to Tseren, the Philistines belonged to the steppe people who penetrated from the deep regions of the Balkan Peninsula, Central and Eastern Europe to the Illyrian and Greek coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and from there through Asia Minor and by sea, the islands, including Crete, moved to the coast of Egypt and Palestine.

To be continued ...
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  1. mongoose
    -7
    17 October 2012 08: 36
    n-dya, the case of Rezun and other fomenok blooms and smells, are you tired of it?
    1. +7
      17 October 2012 11: 27
      A wonderful review, fully falls on the materials of Mavro Orbini. We are waiting for the continuation.
      One of the reasons for the invasions of the Northern Vedic Aryans in the southern outskirts is the struggle against the bloody sacrifices of wild pagan tribes. This is clearly seen in America (Mayan cults) and in India (Kali cult), etc.
      1. Pessimist
        -1
        17 October 2012 12: 54
        Quote: Ross
        One of the reasons for the invasions of the Northern Vedic Aryans in the southern outskirts is the struggle against the bloody sacrifices of wild pagan tribes.

        Yeah !!! laughing And the reason for the war between Rome and Carthage is the cult of Moloch among the Carthaginians !!! laughing Don't be ridiculous...!
        1. +3
          17 October 2012 17: 02
          Pessimist,
          Apparently your pseudonym is not accidental. Before you make fun, read better:
          Vinogradov O.T. "Ancient Vedic Rus' is the basis of existence"
          "Traditionally, in official science, it is believed that the first city in the history of mankind was Jericho (the current Yariho, es-Sultan in Palestine). The original name of the area, the settlement is Yarikho. This name arose in the XNUMXth millennium BC. Yarikho is the settlement of the Yaris - Aryans near the Yardon River (distorted Jordan), this city of the Yari-Rus-Indo-Europeians on the Yara River. The first to come here from the foothills of Carmel were the Rus-Natufians (proven by archaeological finds). There are many unexcavated ancient settlements in the Middle East. Excavations in the Middle In the East, the last decades have not been carried out or financed.Priority is given to objects of archeology and the history of the Jewish-Israeli ethnic group.If researchers discovered a settlement, a village or a camp of Indo-Europeans, then the excavations were immediately frozen and even the information obtained was not published in the scientific press.
          Yu.D. Petukhov in his book “By the Roads of the Gods” wrote very well about the falsifiers of history. “People take everything at face value. The people are accustomed to trust those who decide their fate. Yes, I didn’t make a reservation, namely, those who decide its fate, because the writers of “history”, for their own reasons, often purely political, assign each people their own place, determined not by History, but by them, gradually deleting objectionable peoples from history, or attributing them into the compositions of other peoples, or giving them a clearly negative meaning (which, for example, was done by pseudo-scientific politicians with a whole people of vandal-Russians). V. N. Tatishchev, M. V. Lomonosov, E. I. Klassen, A. D. Chertkov, A. S. Khomyakov and many other genuine ascetic scientists, up to the ascetic scientists of our times. And if the scientific process proceeded along its natural scientific course, if undeniable arguments were accepted and considered, as it should be in science, the disputes about the notorious “Normans” and their influence on Russia would long ago have subsided, for what kind of “Norman-Vikings” in the XNUMXth century can we say if all of Eastern, Central and Northern Europe, including Scandinavia, was inhabited by Slavs-Russians, and all the “chronicles” and “songs” of the Vikings were composed (based on Slavic epics) in XVI-XIX centuries? There is simply no question here. But we are forced to play by someone else's rules, distracting us with endless routine disputes between “Normanists” and “anti-Normanists”... This is just a small example that speaks of methods for diverting serious researchers from research, from the most necessary work - it is enough to inflame them and drag them into endless disputes , let them prove, let them make excuses - who hears them, who sees them ... and in the meantime, textbooks and encyclopedias write in black and white whatever the “Western school” wants. And therefore we call on the genuine Russian scientific historical world to abandon empty skirmishes-discussions, they are fruitless, they are aimless ... or rather, they have one goal: to split our forces, to distract us from genuine research. Stop talking! Everything has already been proven, even proven by our predecessors, the titans. We must go further, revealing the True History to our people, to the whole world - intelligibly, clearly, confidently, and those who take us aside, who translate history from foreign languages ​​​​should justify and explain their positions .. "

          1. +1
            17 October 2012 21: 55
            I recently learned that human rights are now so respected in our country that psychiatrists can treat a mentally ill person only with his consent. And one of the signs of some deviations is a person's complete confidence in his mental health. I hope the connection between this fact and this passage is easy to follow ...
          2. Pessimist
            0
            18 October 2012 00: 33
            Quote: Ross
            The original name of the area, the settlement - Yarikho. This name arose in the XNUMXth millennium BC. Yariho - the settlement of the Yari - Aryans near the Yardon River (distorted Jordan), this city of the Yari-Rus-Indo-Europeans on the Yaraya River. The Rus-Natufians were the first to come here from the foothills of Carmel (proven by archaeological finds).

            This is what is proven, the true name? There are no written sources, anthropological data speak of the autochthonous nature of the local population at that time, and a very primitive culture for the "Natufian Rus"!
            Quote: Ross
            (which, for example, was done by pseudo-scientists-politicians with a whole nation of vandal-Russians).

            Roman sources - did they write pseudoscientists-politicians? Ancient Latin, very different from medieval?

            Quote: Ross
            For example, disputes about the notorious “Normans” and their influence on Rus' would have subsided long ago, because what kind of “Norman-Vikings” in the XNUMXth century can we talk about if all of Eastern, Central and Northern Europe, including Scandinavia, was inhabited by Slavs - Russians,

            Oops! And where did the Germanic tribes, Celts, Normans come from then ??? Were there any Gauls? Study something serious on this subject, except for fascinating reading! At least "Rus' and the Normans", H. Lovmyansky! Very well answered question! In favor of the Slavs, of course, but without the invented nonsense about the "life of people with dinosaurs."
          3. dom.lazar
            +1
            18 October 2012 01: 11
            Well, if Petukhov with his irradiated Neanderthals, who later became either protorussians or protoukras, you have as an authority, then you can not discuss further
            and the article is another vyser on the topic of the builders of the pyramids - the great protoukrov
        2. 0
          19 October 2012 16: 46
          Pessimist, the funny thing is that the Romans called this one of the reasons for the war !!!! Yes laughing although the main reason for the 2 superpowers of that time was not to get along - someone had to die - it turned out to be Carthage !!!
      2. Volkhov
        +1
        17 October 2012 20: 12
        Most of the migrations of peoples (invasions) are associated with catastrophic factors, mainly the fall of comets (serpent gornych). The soil becomes contaminated, you have to leave - for example, the Tatars from Siberia or the gypsies from Mohenjo-Daro. Exceptions are raids for the sake of booty from the Vikings or nomads. Traces remain in the ground - burns, C14, craters, so life forces, and not religious views - why massacre the people if they themselves are against blood in the temple?
    2. Beck
      +5
      17 October 2012 12: 10
      Vinaigrette with lettuce, chopped in one pile. Collection of historical, archaeological ambiguities of different scientific schools, waiting for their scientific explanation, with the author's secret desire for antiquity and greatness.
      1. +4
        17 October 2012 15: 48
        Quote: Beck
        Vinaigrette with lettuce, chopped in one pile

        allow me to subscribe drinks .
        Everyone knows that the founders of Civilization are protoukry, they even brought mammoths to lard and wool, pigs were then considered not comme il faut, too small wassat .
        1. Beck
          +3
          17 October 2012 16: 38
          Quote: Karlsonn
          allow me to subscribe


          Are you saying subscribe? Why not subscribe. Only first put the mammoth fat on the site so that the author Samsonov understands that he is nobody against the proto-Ukrainians.
          1. Beck
            +1
            17 October 2012 17: 25
            Carson is you minusanul. What humor did not understand Ali how?
            1. +4
              17 October 2012 18: 10
              I'm not guilty ! tutochki:
              Quote: Beck
              Quote: Karlsonn
              allow me to subscribe

              Are you saying subscribe?
              I just saw it and I'm only rating it now hi and mammoth lard, it is nutritious, I completely forgot to say - the Protoukry also arranged the Ice Age, this is such an ancient Hyperborean way of salting lard wink .
        2. Pessimist
          +2
          18 October 2012 00: 36
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Everyone knows that the founders of Civilization are protoukry,

          Exactly!!!! laughing Vinogradov is resting!!!!
    3. brr77
      +5
      17 October 2012 15: 00
      mongoose, and what was your grade in history at school ?, and what did you read besides school textbooks on history?

      and then explain to me how ARKAIM fits into your understanding of history?
      and he is 5000 years old already.
      1. +2
        17 October 2012 15: 50
        Quote: brr77
        How does ARKAIM fit into your understanding of history?
        and he is 5000 years old already.

        and what is Arkaim? when will they find the laptop?


        "Heaven's Honor Day"

        Once upon a time, a celestial chariot, engulfed in flames, made an emergency landing on Earth. Many thousands of years have passed. The heavy-duty skeleton of the once-flying miracle could not be destroyed by the abyss of the past centuries.

        However, for our ancestors of the Proto-Slavs, the starship is not a miracle at all. Their civilization is still far from the great achievements of ancient times, but these people live a happy life, being part of the world around them.

        Looking at the mysterious celestial alien, they understand that for the development of the spirit, the path to the unrestrained development of technology is not always acceptable. fellow good bully
    4. +6
      17 October 2012 18: 28
      No, the case of Schlozer and Bayer blooms and smells - shameless liars, but not Fomenko ... And although Fomenko and his associates also have a lot of excesses, it seems that he is closer to reality than the official version of history.

      So the truth, most likely - as usual - lies somewhere in the middle. And it seems, even without a tombstone.

      PS By the way, before the advent of the Germans in Russian history, our ancestors did not even doubt that they were descended directly from the Scythians. It was "common knowledge" and "obvious", even for Lomonosov. It was the Germans who, with one stroke of the pen, made the Russians a "rootless" tribe that arose overnight out of nowhere, immediately on vast territories and in large numbers. And now everyone is surprised: how can this be ?! mystery! but you just need to forget that Schlozer and Bayer lied and remember what our great-grandfathers knew.

      PPS And many thanks to the author. All misunderstandings in the official version of history should be spoken about, and not hushed up as historians are used to doing. Collections of such "misunderstandings", "inconsistencies" and "coincidences" may one day allow us to build a more correct version of history than the one that is being fed to us now.

      What is the taboo on new interpretations of known facts?
      History is not a bible, and not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science must develop, and only a fool can think that he already knows everything.
      1. +2
        17 October 2012 18: 51
        Rink,
        History is not a bible, and not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science must develop, and only a fool can think that he already knows everything.


        100% support colleague. +++++
        1. Pessimist
          0
          18 October 2012 01: 06
          [quote = Ross] Skating rink,
          History is not a bible, and not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science must develop, and only a fool can think that he already knows everything.

          100% support colleague. +++++[/quote

          First, take the trouble to study a little history and research methods, and then talk about the reliability of certain facts!
          1. 0
            18 October 2012 01: 45
            Calling /quot is not good.
      2. +3
        17 October 2012 18: 56
        Quote: Skating rink
        although Fomenko and his associates also have a lot of excesses, it seems that he is closer to reality than the official version of history.

        he is really closer to making money on myth-making.
        Do you love fairy tales? It's up to you, but do not confuse a fairy tale with science.
        Quote: Skating rink
        History is not a bible, and not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science must develop, and only a fool can think that he already knows everything.

        This is exactly what no one is arguing with.
        1. 0
          17 October 2012 19: 18
          I'm arguing because I'm against it. The Bible is not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless. None of the churches live by the Bible. According to the book, or rather according to the books * as it is translated, there are 66 of them. It was written over a period of more than 1600 years. Except for it, nowhere else is written about the future as a fait accompli (that is, as about the past). Try to live according to it, check your actions according to it. And history is like a prostitute, a new ruler comes, or a new era comes and everything turns upside down, and lies, lies, lies ....
          1. +1
            18 October 2012 00: 39
            Quote: JACOB
            I'm arguing because I'm against it. The Bible is not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless. ...

            And argue in vain. First, I did not say that the Bible is a dogma. If you re-read carefully, I had a listing: ".... not the Bible, and not a religious dogma." Do you understand? Neither one nor the other.
            In this case, it is important not that the modern text of the Bible settled down only after the 17th century, but before that it changed according to the requirements of the current moment. It is important that the church demands to perceive the Bible "with the heart and not with the mind", and forbids doubting it, equating doubt with sin.

            Modern official historians also seem to be turning their science into a religion, and doubting the texts of their books is forbidden. And those who are trying to talk about obvious inconsistencies and punctures contained in them are trying to be declared a heretic and anathematized.

            Somehow this behavior does not fit with the idea of ​​modern scientists.
            More like medieval...
            1. -1
              18 October 2012 01: 03
              I will not persuade you, otherwise how is free will? Let's turn to the facts. About 3500 years ago, people were given the information that the earth has a round, spherical shape. After 3 thousand years, churches are burned for these statements of people, scientists. Until the 70s of the 20th century, everyone thought that Pontius Pilate was a fictional character, but archeology has confirmed his existence. And there are at least a thousand such examples. Why does almost no one want the Bible to be translated from the most ancient scrolls into the most modern literary language? Because it is unprofitable for any church. People will start to think that nobody needs it...
              1. +1
                18 October 2012 01: 49
                Quote: JACOB
                ... About 3500 years ago, people were given information that the earth has a round, spherical shape. ...

                It is a fact?! Any witnesses, or records at least? where is this "fact" known from?

                Quote: JACOB
                ... Until the 70s of the 20th century, everyone thought that Pontius Pilate was a fictional character, but archeology confirmed his existence. ...

                Obviously, archaeologists managed to dig out Pontius himself and identify him by the impressions of his teeth?

                Quote: JACOB
                ... Why does almost no one want the Bible to be translated from the most ancient scrolls into the most modern literary language? ...

                Obviously because most ancient there are no scrolls left. And those that are - those are translated. But to be honest, the Bible doesn't interest me much. I have mentioned it here only as one of the more widely known examples. But this is not about her.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2012 02: 11
                  The Bible says that the Earth was round for several thousand years before the birth of Copernicus and Galileo.

                  "He is the one who sits above the circle (Heb. xug = circle or ball) of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22).
                  circle and ball one word in Hebrew

                  The development of archeology in the 20th century has shed even more light on the historical accuracy of the Bible. For example, for a long time scholars have questioned the historical existence of Pontius Pilate, who ordered Jesus Christ to be crucified. But in 1961, archaeologists discovered a stone slab with an inscription mentioning Pontius Pilate as the prefect of Emperor Tiberius, which is fully consistent with the New Testament narrative. This was the first archaeological find to confirm the existence of the personality of Pontius Pilate.

                  Then we find mention of Pilate in the manuscripts of the Jewish and Roman historians of the 1st century AD. For example, the Roman historian Tacitus, speaking of Christians, writes the following:

                  "Christ, from whose name this name comes, was executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius."
                  1. +1
                    18 October 2012 08: 36
                    Quote: JACOB
                    ...the circle and the ball are one word in Hebrew...

                    Even if so, how can you see that you need to read the "ball" at a time when everyone thought that this was exactly the "circle" resting on three whales (elephants / turtles)?
                    Okay, even if "ball". But this is the Bible. And how do we know that the sphericity of the Earth was known 3500 years ago, that is, 1500 years before Christ?

                    As for the stele with Pilate...
                    There are a lot of fakes in museums, it's true. And if there is a special Biblical archeology, then the guys must find something so that funding does not stop? Even though there is no certainty that biblical Jerusalem was located on the site of the Arab village of El-Kutz.
                    In general, this whole story is very dark, like the trial of the pontiff's valet...
      3. +3
        17 October 2012 22: 05
        Yes, it is necessary to talk about all the incomprehensible things in history. It is not clear how everything was clear to Lomonosov before the advent of the Germans, when he was born after this advent and fought with him?
        1. +1
          18 October 2012 00: 28
          Quote: bot.su
          ..... It is not clear how everything was clear to Lomonosov before the advent of the Germans, when he was born after this advent and fought with him?

          When Schlozer wrote that very famous "work" of his, where he substantiated the Norman theory, Lomonosov was already an academician. And for this he seemed to have to be born before Schlozer's work. This is first.
          Secondly, Schlozer's research did not immediately find its way to the masses. At first they were recognized in the Russian Academy as "harmful" and "discrediting" and decided to withdraw and forget. And much later they surfaced already outside of Russia, from where they returned to us again .. And for a long time after the death of Schlozer, the people did not know that there was such a stupid version of one malicious German
          1. +1
            18 October 2012 06: 44
            here I didn’t get it that we were talking specifically about Schlozer and meant the Germans in general, who taught us to live after Peter)
          2. +1
            18 October 2012 07: 09
            By the way, Schlozer's predecessor was Gottlieb Bayer, who, in fact, founded the Scandinavian theory. And he did it just when Lomonosov received a passport and was still a student ... And if you consider that this theory was not born from scratch, then all the same I will be more right :)
  2. 0
    17 October 2012 10: 03
    And yet, in some cases, censorship is better than the phrase "The opinion of the editors of the Military Review may not coincide with the point of view of the authors of publications" ...
  3. +8
    17 October 2012 10: 15
    nerd.su and mongoose... if you don't like it, don't read it.
    Where in the article about Fin?
    Rather - Petukhov.
    \ And in general - Alexander Samsonov.
    1. +4
      17 October 2012 11: 33
      Already read it. A mixture of real historical facts with verbiage like "Shardana" - Sardis - Sardinia. It remains only to bring the line to sardines and announce that the descendants of the Scythians are conquering Russian tables...
      The nomadic peoples, while sailing on the sea, became great farmers, built canals and ennobled Egypt ...
      I remember in the last century in Germany there was also a notorious corporal, he also wove something about the Aryans. But for some reason he considered the Slavs an inferior race.
      1. Pessimist
        +1
        17 October 2012 12: 52
        Quote: bot.su
        It remains only to bring the line to sardines and announce that the descendants of the Scythians are conquering Russian tables...

        That's for sure!!! laughing And declare the sphinx the first Cossack chieftain !!! laughing
    2. mongoose
      -2
      17 October 2012 12: 16
      yeah, but I don’t like fooling people and turning them into obedient zombie liberals who don’t remember their relationship
      1. +2
        17 October 2012 13: 57
        Yes, many do not remember what a Meotian swamp is ...
        And that the mythical Achilles was in the Meotian kingdom.

        Turheyerdahl led excavations on the Don and found something that casts doubt on the movement from the server to the south. Read.

        Why did not one of the scientists who participated in the excavations from St. Petersburg, Moscow publish works?
        Didn't find anything? Vryatli ... They found gold and the graves of kings in the mounds, but here in the whole city they did not find anything ...
        Listen to the voice of reason, not ours.
        1. 0
          17 October 2012 18: 22
          Evrepid
          And why do you dislike a good scientist so much?
          Despite the unconditional merits, Heyerdahl's theory that the Norwegians are descendants of peoples who lived in the Kuban steppes is more than debatable.
          1. 0
            18 October 2012 01: 59
            Quote: Karlsonn
            ..... Heyerdahl's theory that the Norwegians are descendants of peoples living in the Kuban steppes is more than debatable.

            This is not Heyerdahl's theory. This is stated in the Scandinavian sagas, their epic. They call their native Scandinavia “Small Svitiod” there, and they allegedly came there from “Velika Svitiod”. Scrolling in reverse order of the names and places mentioned in the sagas leads in search of "Great Svitiod" somewhere in the northern Black Sea region (which is why Charles XII carried somewhere near Poltava).
            Heyerdahl just wanted, like Schliemann, to check the myths, maybe he would find something ...
            1. +1
              18 October 2012 12: 55
              Quote: Skating rink
              (why Charles XII was carried somewhere near Poltava)

              yeah, and we are the descendants of the Hyperboreans, who in turn are the descendants of the Atlanteans and those finally descended from the gods - there is an opinion that the Greeks believed in this, one thing is strange that the heavenly chariot of Prince Rus was never found.
              About Karl, this is generally beyond fantasy, there are articles about the Northern War - read it, it will be interesting.
  4. +1
    17 October 2012 11: 22
    Very interesting opinion, which echoes mine. Somewhere there must have been an advanced civilization that could produce iron weapons. It was weapons at that time, and even now, that determined the level of "civilization" of this or that world order. Arkaim is evidence that somewhere to the north more advanced technologies of that time should have been located ... And it seems to me that the "center of power" should be somewhere in the Arzamas region. City of Kityazh. But this is speculation...
    Here the other day, it seems they discovered (finally?) That Plato's Atlantis is the island of Santorini. Mycenaean civilization.
    1. mongoose
      -1
      17 October 2012 12: 17
      This crap is 30 years old if not more. at one time in the 80s I read about Santorin in the Technique of Youth laughing
      1. -1
        17 October 2012 12: 38
        Just this weekend, I watched a discovery showcase hd broadcast, where a certain seeker walked around the remains of the island, who is trying to find facts confirming certain historical hypotheses. He was accompanied by a local scientist who convincingly told him and showed him the remains of channels and ports on Santorini with computer graphics based on Plato's data. It seems to be convincing.
        1. Beck
          +1
          17 October 2012 17: 26
          Tector.

          There was civilization in Santorini. But it is not the ancestor of all civilizations.
          1. +2
            17 October 2012 18: 13
            Beck hi ,
            evano, fans of alternative reality and experts on Arkaim and me minus wink .
            1. Beck
              +1
              17 October 2012 19: 01
              Carlson.

              And how you wanted. Tea is not sweet tea, he came to drink, here they serve more bitter.
        2. +1
          17 October 2012 18: 23
          Quote: Tektor
          this weekend I watched the discovery showcase hd transmission


          Quote: Tektor
          It seems to be convincing.

          enchanting! No more questions!
    2. Pessimist
      +1
      19 October 2012 01: 24
      Quote: Tektor
      Somewhere there must have been an advanced civilization that could produce iron weapons. It was weapons at that time, and even now, that determined the level of "civilization" of this or that world order. Arkaim is evidence that somewhere to the north, more advanced technologies of that time should have been located ...

      The first iron began to be smelted from the so-called. "marsh" ore - these are sticky lumps in the roots of marsh plants such as water lilies. During the mass burning of these roots, a porous mass is smelted - kritsa, "dirty" iron. Moreover, kritsa was found in furnaces for firing clay products, and already in later layers, furnaces for iron smelting appeared! It’s just that the people who lived in the swamps burned the pots with the dry roots of marsh plants, and they give heat more powerfully than some tree, check it out for yourself on barbecue! The well-known Assyrians had massive iron weapons, then the upper reaches of Mesopathamia were very swampy, and here is the connection with "advanced" technologies ....
      1. +1
        19 October 2012 13: 24
        Dear Pessimist....
        I didn’t understand this - ".. the upper reaches of Mesopathamia were very swampy ..".
        As far as I understand - by "Mesopathamia" you mean - the interfluve of the Tigris and Euphrates. So?
        The upper reaches then fall in the mountainous - steppe and mountainous areas. Armenia, for example.
        As for the swamps there - I, to my shame, do not know. Enlighten?
        But in the lower reaches of Mesopotamia - really swamps. What fear. Only there was not found kritsa in kilns for firing clay products with dry roots of marsh plants.
        Can you imagine the technology - to get dry rhizomes in a swamp?
        ...
        I will add - that a huge number of iron-blast furnaces were found on the territory of Polissya (Belarus), the Volga-Oka region. And in the interfluve of the Oka - Desna .... the Kursk magnetic anomaly is located. The water in rivers and swamp lakes is rusty.
        Excess forest and the presence of ore - ..... no analogies arise? ...
        1. Pessimist
          +1
          20 October 2012 01: 09
          Quote: Igarr
          As far as I understand - by "Mesopathamia" you mean - the interfluve of the Tigris and Euphrates. So?
          The upper reaches then fall in the mountainous - steppe and mountainous areas. Armenia, for example.

          Assyria is also almost the upper reaches, in those days there were swamps too! And Armenia is the then Urartu, the enemy of Assyria. And as for Polesie, I don’t argue, iron swords helped the cultures of the Proto-Slavs withstand the onslaught of alien nomads at about the same time - 8-7 centuries BC. e. But the conversation about Egypt and the Middle East was on.
          Quote: Igarr
          Can you imagine the technology - to get dry rhizomes in a swamp?

          They were just dried in the sun! In the USSR and Russia there is the Institute of Experimental Archeology (I can't vouch for the exact name), where scientists try and reproduce ancient technologies.
          For example: in the 19th century, scientists believed that the Neolithic flint ax was polished by the owner all his life, passing it (the ax) by inheritance. Scientists of the institute manually, with water and sand, in the meantime, polished the ax in two (!) Months. About the same with swamp ore!
          For information, for the sake of interest: a Norman-type sword weighing about 1,5 kg required about 125 kg of iron ore! Swords were not cheap, so then the main weapon was a battle ax.
          1. 0
            20 October 2012 14: 00
            How did it happen???
            The ax weighs more than the sword.
            Otherwise, trees would be cut with swords and not with axes.
            Discrepancy here, logical.
            ...
            Why grind a flint axe?
            Why is it necessary for MNS-am and DIN-am, I can guess.
            For what, poor hairy "..owner has been grinding all his life," Neolithic ax?
            Was he an aesthete?
  5. -2
    17 October 2012 12: 26
    A mixture of conjectures and assumptions, not supported by facts. Finom smells. Minus for sure!
  6. Pessimist
    +1
    17 October 2012 12: 50
    In Babylon they were called "Kassites", in Assyria - "Mitannians", in Egypt - "Hyksos".

    Complete vinaigrette!!! The author mixed completely different cultures into one pile ... MINUS! Because of the invasion of the Hyksos, primitive communal nomadic tribes, the "middle kingdom", the Egyptian one, perished! And the kingdom of Mittani had some dip. relations with the "middle" Egyptian kingdom! Full 1
  7. +1
    17 October 2012 12: 50
    Serious discoveries await us when the permafrost thaws .... I think that there was something there, well, at a time when it was warm and the jungle. belay
    1. mongoose
      0
      17 October 2012 12: 55
      but in any case, you must first do excavations, and then build theories, and not invent fairy tales and use the ignorance of people to build myths
    2. +1
      17 October 2012 14: 09
      First, it will thaw very soon. If it thaws at all. And secondly, permafrost does not present any serious obstacles to excavations. We are separated from the times of the jungle by tens and hundreds of meters of sediments, one way or another connected with glaciers. So until we invent an eye that can see through the depths of hundreds of meters, we will not find anything in the north. Except bones and carcasses of mammoths.
  8. +8
    17 October 2012 13: 20
    Dear mongoose, this case of the Vatican and other Western propaganda flourishes and smells (we include Rezun among them), and the cause of pro-Russian propaganda (including the Fomenko case) defends itself and retreats. In this information war there are civilians - you and me and other people, there are soldiers - working mass media, and there are generals - including historians, I don’t know who Fomenko will be, but not an ordinary one, but there are traitors and collaborators - who believe in Western propaganda, history written in the West, pro-Western, anti-Slavic history of Russia, written under the Romanovs.
    1. 0
      17 October 2012 16: 00
      Quote: Setrac
      and the case of pro-Russian propaganda (including the Fomenko case)


      Quote: Setrac
      I don’t know who Fomenko will be, but not an ordinary one,

      I run screaming across the ceiling...
      God forbid!!!

      "Prince Rus has arrived in the spring"

      The legendary, but no less historical image of Prince Rus is known from many Russian legends and chronicles. The brother of the same legendary Slovenian, he founded the oldest Russian city not far from the place where the regional center of Staraya Russa now stands.

      It is also known from the legends that the prince had at his disposal a "heavenly chariot", on which Rus flew. It is likely that the outlandish airplane was created during the high technology of the Hyperborean antediluvian. Through a string of millennia, he went to Prince Pycy.

      and it feel no one knows who the fomenka dealer is feel ?
      1. Beck
        0
        18 October 2012 09: 32
        Carson.

        Where did you get the watercolors? And everything is on topic. Maybe you draw? And you get it fast.
        1. 0
          18 October 2012 12: 59
          Quote: Beck
          Maybe you draw?

          bounce fast!
          I’m not, I’m not involved, it’s all Ivanov, who is Vsevolod, his faith in fairy tales has already taken clinical form, a few years ago he ran into something - he laughed like a horse, that’s what came in handy.
      2. Joker
        0
        23 October 2012 09: 01
        Quote: Karlsonn
        "Prince Rus flew over ................. went to Prince Pycy.


        Actually, why not?

        Dear, you can watch a rather shaggy film (70s 80s), called "memories of the future." Lots of interesting facts.
    2. dom.lazar
      +1
      18 October 2012 01: 19
      well, if Fomenko was given titles like on the site, then by the number of nonsense and meaningless posts = - then here he would be accepted as a generalissimo
      the benefit of the adherents of Arkaim (a small settlement consisting of two annular ramparts, and it is shot through with bows - what a great city it is) there are a lot
      1. Beck
        0
        18 October 2012 09: 34
        Home.laser.

        Well. why are you so objective, to the point and not sparing the jingoists.
        1. Joker
          0
          25 October 2012 12: 51
          Quote: dom.lazar
          dom.lazar

          Quote: Beck
          Beck


          Well, it is very difficult for people with an innate inferiority complex to accept some facts.
        2. Joker
          0
          25 October 2012 12: 54
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Karlsonn

          Quote: dom.lazar
          dom.lazar

          Quote: Beck
          Beck


          Well, for a number of people with an innate inferiority complex, it is very difficult to accept some facts.
  9. +2
    17 October 2012 15: 41
    The entire Internet, or rather 90%, is littered with pseudoscientific nonsense, a lot of pseudoscientists have divorced, it’s a pity for the young to absorb everything. In conjunction with the current education, this is quite sad.
    1. +1
      17 October 2012 16: 00
      So I say, we need censorship! And in order to comply with democratic principles, make a paid segment of the Internet, where you can write and read without censorship. If you want to read all sorts of nonsense - earn money for a barrel! And what a very democratic!
  10. +2
    17 October 2012 16: 26
    As for Fomenko, I got excited, it is not known whose side he is on, maybe he is like General Vlasov.
    1. -1
      17 October 2012 16: 29
      I’m just about this (and not only), to read him, so the hair stands on end, in all places, stand up.
  11. Horde
    +2
    17 October 2012 18: 09
    all information on the ancient history of Egypt is compiled on the basis of the "History of Egypt" with a list of pharaohs by an Egyptian priest with the Greek name Manetho, who lived in the 2nd-3rd century BC.
    the history of Ancient Egypt was divided into the periods of the Ancient, Middle and New Kingdoms (which corresponds to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd volumes of Manetho's History of Egypt). Although the division of the history of Egypt by Manetho was very conditional (since he included 10 dynasties of pharaohs in each period without taking into account specific historical trends and realities),
    The conditional division of the Egyptian reigns by Manetho was such that in one hundred years, this author concluded three reigns, who does not know. On what basis did he do this, the devil knows. Then they rewrote it - multiplied it into different languages ​​​​and called it "the main historical document of Egypt."
    -Accordingly, questions arise, how - these sources could reach us after more than two thousand years, what media could withstand such a period (parchment, papyrus?)
    -between the ancient world -antiquity and our time, the period of the dark Middle Ages runs along TI, when all ancient books were considered pagan-demonic and were subject to destruction, and not careful rewriting?
    Manetho just invented the "Hyksos shepherds" who came and captured Egypt. Morozov walked on this occasion, it's good that the shepherds captured Egypt, otherwise the cooks could have been captured, it would be completely ridiculous. Here is such a story from Manetho and becomes the basis for modern science-history.
    1. 0
      17 October 2012 19: 03
      at the moment in modern history, the point of view dominates that Egypt was captured by people from the Caucasus (do not kick and do not laugh), while it is confirmed by all anthropological studies of archaeological finds.
      1. Horde
        +2
        17 October 2012 19: 15
        at the moment in modern history, the point of view dominates that Egypt was captured by people from the Caucasus (do not kick and do not laugh), while it is confirmed by all anthropological studies of archaeological finds.


        from the point of view of Fomenko, Nosovsky and the New Chronology, the ancient Hyksos are medieval Mamelukes, there are Cherkasy Cossacks (not to be confused with Circassians) Tatar-speaking Russians. Owning Egypt from 14-15c until the conquest of Egypt by Napoleon.
        1. +2
          17 October 2012 20: 03
          Quote: Horde
          there are Cherkasy Cossacks (not to be confused with Circassians) Tatar-speaking Russians. Owning Egypt from the 14-15th century until the conquest of Egypt by Napoleon.

          I knew it! I said so! the pyramids were built by protoukry for the development of tourism! Everyone knows this and no one can prove that it is not!
          drinks
    2. Pessimist
      +1
      18 October 2012 00: 54
      Quote: Horde
      Although the division of the history of Egypt by Manetho was very conditional (since he included 10 dynasties of pharaohs in each period without taking into account specific historical trends and realities),

      Where are you, excuse me, read it? The ancient kingdom ended, actually on the 4th dynasty! And, I'm sorry, do you have sources more reliable than Manetho? With "TRUTH" about the Russians? And the Hyksos, then, an invention of Manetho? But what about the "Hyksos dynasties" of the pharaohs, linguistic changes in the names of the pharaohs, the appearance of horses in Egypt, another anthropological type of rulers of the "Hyksos dynasty" ??? And, it's probably the Russians visited Egypt!
      Actually, I'm studying history, I'm already in my 6th year, I have an idea about the methods of studying historical events, when they try to pass off such a "crap" as the truth, excuse me, it's ridiculous !!! I'm talking about the article!
      1. Horde
        0
        18 October 2012 18: 04
        But what about the "Hyksos dynasties" of the pharaohs, linguistic changes in the names of the pharaohs, the appearance of horses in Egypt, another anthropological type of rulers of the "Hyksos dynasty" ??? And, it's probably the Russians visited Egypt!


        all this was only, of course, not in 1800l. , and already in the Middle Ages, Cherkasy Cossacks really lived in the Caucasus and in the foothills.
        In the last post, I wrote that Manetho dated the reigns of the pharaohs by 33 years - my mistake, in fact, these datings were made much later by the German archaeologist Henry Brooksch already in the 19th century. Therefore, all these crazy and thoughtless thousands of years of Egyptian history are just a whim of one archaeologist who considered himself a great historian not amenable to any criticism. A pessimist, you say a historian? Maybe there is a reasonable explanation for this fact?
        Actually, I'm studying history, I'm already in my 6th year,


        on the historical teach 6 years? strange, why is that, you probably have a lot of practice, like in medicine? or 6 courses is not 6 years? now everything can be.
        1. Kir
          0
          18 October 2012 18: 21
          Who knows, maybe this is a new format, a master's degree, or a pessimist, maybe a correspondence student in general, in your opinion, for example, how much art is in Strogonovka for 6 years!
          1. Horde
            +1
            18 October 2012 19: 08
            Who knows, maybe this is a new format-magistracy, or a pessimist, maybe a correspondence student,


            The educational process at the Faculty of History of Moscow State University
            on the first course:
            fundamentals of archeology; foundations of ethnology; history of primitive society; history of Russia until the beginning of the XNUMXth century; the history of the ancient East, ancient Greece and ancient Rome; history of philosophy; history of foreign art; history of national art; Latin language; foreign languages; physical education; protection of the population in emergency situations;
            on the second course:
            history of Russia in the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries; history of the Middle Ages; the history of the countries of Asia and Africa in the Middle Ages; history of Russian philosophy; economic theories; quantitative methods in historical research; informatics and mathematics; oratory; foreign languages; physical education;
            in the third year:
            domestic history of the XX century; the history of the modern times of the countries of Europe and America (middle of the 1918th century - XNUMX); the history of the countries of Asia and Africa in modern and modern times; informatics and mathematics; foreign languages;
            in the XNUMXth year:
            modern history of European and American countries; the history of the southern and western Slavs (VI century - 90s of the XX century); methodological problems of historical research; foreign languages;
            in the XNUMXth year:
            general psychology and pedagogy; methods of teaching history in secondary schools.

            Graduates of the Faculty of History are awarded the following qualifications:

            historian, teacher of history (for full-time students, study period is 5 years);
            historian, teacher of history (for students of the evening department, the term of study is 6 years);
            art historian, art historian (for students of the department of history and theory of art).
            1. Pessimist
              +1
              19 October 2012 01: 50
              Quote: Horde
              in the XNUMXth year:
              general psychology and pedagogy; methods of teaching history in secondary schools.

              And in the 6th year: developmental psychology, historiography, new pedagogical technologies, the history of the USA and Canada, the latest history from the 2nd MV.
              Everything else is about the same!
        2. Pessimist
          0
          19 October 2012 01: 44
          Quote: Horde
          .Therefore, all these crazy and thoughtless thousands of years of Egyptian history are simply a whim of one archaeologist who considered himself a great historian not susceptible to any criticism

          The ancient kingdom of Egypt intersects with the civilization of the Sumerians, and evidence of cultural exchange has been found, although very poor, because the distances are all around primitive tribes, the Romans have not yet set up roads! Moreover, the times of prosperity are interspersed with periods of decline of cultures. Henry Brooksch, of course, is a waste, but many of his hypotheses are confirmed by archeology and modern dating methods, even by the systematization of products, cultures, and some documents. The Middle Kingdom of Egypt had diplomacy with the Hittite kingdom, the pharaohs even entered into an alliance with Hattusili, the king of the Hittites. And the Hittite kingdom perished much later, under the blows of the Cimmerians, who were forced out of the Black Sea steppes by the Scythians! The Cimmerians and Urartu finished off to the end, Assyria could not completely destroy it!
          And 6 courses - this is in absentia! 6 years, specialist.
  12. Horde
    +2
    17 October 2012 18: 34
    There is evidence that even Ancient Egypt waged wars with Scythia. A number of ancient authors report on the wars that Pharaoh Sesostris waged with the Scythians. Several Egyptian pharaohs Senusrets are known under this name - there were three of them, their reign belongs to the Middle Kingdom, when Egypt reached the peak of its power. Sources report that the outcome of the wars was so successful for Egypt that the pharaoh's army invaded the Northern Black Sea region.

    It's funny how naked, almost naked Egyptian soldiers in some skirts could go through the northern Black Sea coast, where, as you know, there are rains, snow, and frosts, and even fight the Scythians?



    On the eastern side of the burial chamber of the Egyptian ruler Tutankhamun, a funeral procession is shown. The body of the pharaoh lies in a sarcophagus on a stretcher with images of lions; and the sarcophagus itself stands in the ark, which people drag on sledges to the tomb. As you know, snow in Egypt is an anomaly. They could not invent such an object as a sleigh in Egypt on their own. This item, which is of such importance for the burial of the king, was brought from outside.


    As for the fact that the kings in Egypt were escorted on their last journey to the burial place on a sleigh, this is a very interesting and meaningful historical fact !!

    1. +1
      17 October 2012 19: 06
      damn it, not long ago they wrote that the sacgofagus is proof that the Egyptians saw the spacesuit, and here the sled is degradation !!!
      everyone urgently review the movie "Stargate" - it's the whole TRUTH!
      1. Horde
        +2
        17 October 2012 19: 29
        damn it, not long ago they wrote that the sacgofagus is proof that the Egyptians saw the spacesuit, and here the sled is degradation !!!
        everyone urgently review the movie "Stargate" - it's the whole TRUTH!


        funeral rites are the most conservative customs of peoples, in order to change something in the tradition of holding funerals, it is necessary that serious changes take place in society. For example, after the revolution, stars began to be used instead of crosses on funeral monuments. The result of the denial of religion by society. But to carry the friends of the relatives of the deceased coffin on their shoulders to what kind of vehicle has never changed from generation to generation.
        1. +1
          17 October 2012 20: 06
          I’m talking about mummification and all sorts of death masks, I just believed that the pharaohs are the descendants of aliens and then BAM is the second shift, it turns out that the pharaohs are the descendants of the Slavs belay how to continue to live?
        2. Pessimist
          0
          18 October 2012 01: 01
          Quote: Horde
          .But to carry the friends of the relatives of the deceased coffin on their shoulders to what kind of vehicle has never changed from generation to generation.

          This is exactly what the cart has to do with it?
    2. Pessimist
      +1
      18 October 2012 00: 59
      Quote: Horde
      They could not invent such an object as a sleigh in Egypt on their own. This item, which is of such importance for the burial of the king, was brought from outside.

      Quote: Horde
      As for the fact that the kings in Egypt were escorted on their last journey to the burial place on a sleigh, this is a very interesting and meaningful historical fact !!

      I support you! Sleigh - an echo of tradition, after all, the WHEEL appeared in Sumer on the border of the 4th millennium BC. e., and the pharaohs of pre-dynastic Egypt and the period of the Early Kingdom were naturally buried on drags, THERE WAS NO WHEELS !!!!
      1. +1
        18 October 2012 01: 59
        You have invalid information. The wheel appeared on the territory of modern Russia. Read the data on archaeological excavations in Sintashta ... Look at Wikipedia. Everything scientifically and officially - the oldest known wheels, carts - were found in Sintasht. I believe that the horse was domesticated here. I have more interesting hypotheses based on my personal research on the ground. In my region, the area is simply teeming with archeology from 8-10 thousand years BC. The territory was very populated... It is curious that satellite images show whole systems of canals connecting small lakes. Something else like beds in the form of terraces, all pointing to artificial irrigation ... So, between the hills in the gorge, systems were dug and poured - a shaft-pit, and at the bottom of the holes there is moisture and water, even in drought, flowing down in the form of groundwater from the hills . And the cultural layers contain material mainly from 8-10 thousand years BC ... Not bad, right ?!
        1. Corneli
          0
          18 October 2012 04: 36
          Nothing terrible ... in the beginning, protoukry, Aryans, Russ (underline as appropriate) came up with a sled, chaffed the stupid Egyptians .... then the wheel .... again chaffed the stupid Egyptians .... (Oh, well, what are these Egyptians stupid! !!....) feel
          Sometimes .... when the Russians were bored, they came in compact, (with uber advanced technologies) groups to go to dense Egypt and conquered it again (mmm ... in terms of bringing culture and prosperity to backward savages))) wassat
          Lord!!!! How can I write such a thing !!!(((Honestly .... I thought it was the current that we thought of before the protoukrovs .... it turns out that it’s not ... it’s possible and cooler ... Schaub there were spaceships and other bees right away.
          P.S. By the way, such "historical" delights are mainly used by unsuccessful peoples (those who did not have a special culture and the United States has nothing to boast about, for example). Vaughn Italians or Greeks do not bathe like that. It is sad to realize that the complex of "losers without history" has come down to us ... and even so enchanting No.
          1. 0
            18 October 2012 13: 04
            Quote: Corneli
            It is sad to realize that the complex of "losers without history" has come down to us ... and even so enchanting

            it’s not that he didn’t reach us, he was brought to us, and all sorts of evil-doers like fomenki loot on this.
        2. +1
          18 October 2012 13: 02
          Quote: vvvvv
          Look at Wikipedia.

          forgot about discovery bully .
          Well, as small children by God.
        3. Pessimist
          +1
          19 October 2012 01: 58
          Quote: vvvvv
          Look at Wikipedia. Everything scientifically and officially - the oldest known wheels, carts - were found in Sintasht.

          I'll definitely take a look! Wikipedia is the authority! laughing
          The most ancient evidence of a wheel is a CLAY MODEL, a TOY, a two-wheeled cart found in Sumer! The wagons themselves of such a prescription have not been found! Even parts! The CLAY TOY is dated to the beginning of the 4th millennium BC. e.
          For yourself, at least read Wikipedia more carefully: "A war chariot dated from the bones of a horse was found at one of the parking lots (Crooked Lake) 2026 BC e. "Where is there 8-10 thousand years ???
          1. 0
            19 October 2012 13: 36
            The oldest evidence of paleocontacts is clay models of airplanes and gliders.
            Found in both Egypt and South America. (If you go in line with your reasoning).
            ...
            Based on traditional history, alternativeism is not needed for nothing.
            And vice versa.
            They exclude each other.
            And what to do with artifacts - which are not sewn to ... one organ ... a sleeve?
            Forbidden Archeology by Michael Begent. (Not at all Finn, right?). There is also Michael Kremo, in the same topic.
            ..
            If you wish, you can find a wagon and a small cart - and then giggle ...
            Someone over TI, someone over FN, someone over Pastukhov, someone over Alekseev, who ... I can still name 20 authors.
            And who - just giggle.
            1. Pessimist
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              20 October 2012 03: 00
              Quote: Igarr
              Forbidden Archeology by Michael Begent.

              Well, well, archeology! I read it, "forbidden"! Artifacts, etc. But only Baigent and Cremo can neither prove nor even systematize anything!
              What is the difference between science and "pseudo-science"! Example: in India, an iron pillar was found that did not belong to the cultural layer in which it was excavated. Scientists are silent, they say nothing. Hide??? No, just not enough data to say anything! And without data - any statement of a scientist is equal in reliability to grandmother's tales about devils! Like the inventions of the same Baigent ...
              1. Joker
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                25 October 2012 12: 59
                And when one did they find a bone from a monkey, was there enough data for the whole world to trumpet that they had found a transitional link in evolution? Do not be so naive, look wider.
          2. 0
            1 November 2012 13: 11
            Okay, read the excavation materials. It's just that Wikipedia is always at hand, and other sources are a little harder to find.
  13. Kir
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    18 October 2012 03: 07
    Quote: Ross
    Vinogradov O.T. "Ancient Vedic Rus' is the basis of existence"
    "Traditionally, in official science, it is believed that the first city in the history of mankind was Jericho

    the question is who counts, the supporters of God's chosen ones, including those who consider the Bible to be the light of truth. By the way, do these "orthodox" know where this "masterpiece" got such a name from, maybe it was worth digging both them and O.T. Vinogradov's supporters, this name comes from one of the oldest, if not the most ancient city of Byblos! in which the best "paper" of that time was produced, so that's it !!!
    Now, with regards to the "blunders" of the author himself, where the "so-called" global flood, which did not exist, but there were several catastrophes of a "district scale", including approximately 3100 and 1300 BC exactly in the Mediterranean basin.
    It is also why neither our Slavs, nor the Arabs and Jews, have indications that the "ships" went west towards the Canary archipelago and further to the shores of Central and northern South America, especially since the connection can be traced through many moments !!! At the same time (America) they find images-statues of the Negroid and Caucasoid type, that is, not racially belonging to the locals, the same meeting of the Spaniards as the return of the "gods", etc., etc. P
    In general, I advise you to turn to the "classic" Thor Heyerdahl, by the way, the author himself was very well versed in the signs characterizing this or that anthropotype, it will even be enough to read "Ancient Man and the Ocean" for a general understanding, and if everything is not enough, they are not so it’s a lot, since as far as I know, his scientific ones didn’t seem to come out in Russian!
    1. Pessimist
      0
      19 October 2012 02: 09
      Jericho is even considered a city very conditionally! Modern historians use the expression "Jericho culture" and "village of Jericho culture". A relatively large settlement of the "temple economy" type, typical of early agricultural cultures!
      1. Kir
        0
        19 October 2012 02: 41
        Then the question is whether Bible is older or not - the first, second origin of the Jewish ethnic group and its "antiquity", in connection with this, the antiquity of Judaism itself, since I read here (though the information with the "smell of mold" 1987) "What did the ancient Jews believe", so instead of resolving some of the issues, new ones arose, the only thing Judaism understood became the "official" religion only from 621 BC,
        And now the question is not entirely related or not at all related to the topic, where you can find Ustryalov in full (it is possible in digital format and without adaptation to a modern one), Malthus, Mao Tzu Tung and the works of Nichiren, (everything is possible in digital and without translation, there is who to contact for it), thanks in advance
  14. antizhid
    +1
    29 October 2012 03: 57
    The idiocy of the situation lies in the fact that all of us, instead of somehow trying to accept the history of the greatness of our ancestors in our heads, we are trying to push it away and with all our might believe that all our people are a solid uneducated cattle that plays the pot with PPSh overweight and moonshine in your pocket. You try to realize for yourself that you are part of an ethnic group that taught the whole world to speak, write, write and bring good to people. Maybe you will understand that you are part of the great culture that we are. And today's situation is a terrible dream from which you want to wake up as soon as possible and not reach for a bottle, but on the horizontal bar 15 times.
  15. antizhid
    +1
    29 October 2012 04: 18
    I talked with one Greek about such topics and he was surprised how we Slavs, who gave the whole world culture, architecture, writing, social and economic foundations of life, could take the idiotic Christian model of the social system as the basis of the modern state and slide down to the level of tribes that scoop themselves on the subject national ideas like the one that is procrastinated in Ukraine "independence", in Russia "multinationality and Christian Orthodoxy" in Belarus "Batsko-goat". And the people were blinded to such an extent where the mere thought that he should live differently and become like his ancestors who taught the whole world how to live, and not the speedermen, is horrifying. After all, it’s easier to live in shit and blame someone for it than to live with dignity but at the same time work for the good of your country and people.

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