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Great Scythia and the Middle East

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Great Scythia and the Middle East

The ancient civilizations of the Middle East - Egypt, Sumer, Akkad, Babylon, Assyria and others - are still given too much importance. Perhaps only Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome received (and receive) no less attention. As a result, people have a distorted picture. stories humanity, when other regions of the planet remain in the consciousness of “unknown lands”. It is clear that the Middle East in antiquity was distinguished by high culture. It should also be remembered that its current population has little to do with the ancient peoples who lived there and left such a rich heritage. However, to ascribe to this region all the main achievements of mankind is not worth it.

By the end of 20, the beginning of 21 for centuries, a sufficient amount of information had been accumulated, as this region was subjected to the most careful study by the scientific community to conclude that civilizations in the Middle East in the past have the strongest "gaps" in cultural continuity. And to understand that creative impulses for restoring collapsed states (at a new level) and building new formations were received from outside.

In particular, the farming culture in the Middle East was not local, but came from the outside in 8 thousand BC. e. The “gap” in cultures is huge, it was a real revolution. The semi-wild generations have just been engaged in gathering and hunting, and suddenly there are cities (proto-city) with a population of several thousand, whose inhabitants have the skills to cultivate up to 14 cereal species and animal husbandry technologies. Among these cities are modern Jericho in Palestine and Chatal-Uyuk (Chatal-Hüyuk) in southern Anatolia. Thus, according to the British archeologist James Mellart, the Neolithic cultures of Anatolia laid the foundation for agriculture and animal husbandry, as well as the cult of the Mother Goddess - the basis of our civilization (Mellart J. The oldest civilizations of the Middle East). Scientists called this event the “Neolithic revolution” - there was a transition of human communities from the primitive economy of hunters and gatherers to a production economy based on agriculture and animal husbandry.

Another gap that Middle Eastern cultures have experienced is noted in 5 millennium BC. e. Many of the old settlements - the proto-city died, and for almost a thousand years the region fell to a more primitive level of development. At the end of 4 millennium BC. e. People of a different anthropological type penetrate into the region than before and bring with them the technologies of the “Bronze Age”. The era of the famous civilizations of the Ancient World, which, in the opinion of the majority, laid the foundations of modern human civilization, begins.

The Sumerians in the area between the Tigris and the Euphrates were not the first inhabitants. They themselves believed that they had come to this place from “Dilmun Island”. Find out what it was for the island, there is no possibility. The scientific world has spawned on this subject several versions. However, it is obvious that it was the southern "island", the Sumerians were people I clearly expressed Negroid features. But not all the Sumerians were "southerners." The highest castes of the Sumerian city-states belonged to the “Nordic” (Indo-European) type. In the Sumerian imperial burial grounds, people are clearly of a different race than the majority of the population. Apparently, here we are witnessing a situation that has been preserved in India: the Sumerian aristocracy, the high priesthood and the majority of the population correlated with each other, as the highest and lowest caste-varna in India of the Aryan period. In addition, a similarity was found between the objects of the material culture of Sumer and the steppes of southern Russia. In particular, images of carts that were found in the royal tombs 3 thousand BC. e. are similar to the chariots of the south Russian steppes. And in the southern Russian steppes these chariots appeared on 2 thousands of years earlier, which rejects the hypothesis that the northern barbarians borrowed the best practices of the southerners. E. Tseren in the work “Biblical Hills” reports another interesting fact: it was found strikingly similarity between the tombs of the kings in Ur and some burial grounds in Greece, the eastern part of the Balkan Peninsula and in southern Russia. Such forms of construction — vaulted and domed tombs — were characteristic of Greece and southern Russia.

Thus, we find in Sumer traces of the influence of the northern civilization - the Aryan (Indo-European) racial type of aristocracy, the Aryan chariots, the methods of construction. Another example of the influence of the northern tradition is the sleigh. The Sumerians did not ride in them (there was no snow), but they sent their rulers to the last journey. It was a national tradition of the Sumerian culture - in gold and silver, lapis lazuli, with images of heads of lions, and bulls, the sleighs of the kings of Ur were sent on their last journey. Interestingly, this custom has been preserved in Russia (the direct heir of the Aryan, Scythian-Sarmatian civilization) up to the Middle Ages. The Grand Duke Vladimir Monomakh (1053-1125), feeling the approach of death, writes in his Instruct: “Sitting on a sleigh already ...”, in the sense of “preparing for death”. And here is what the Czech researcher Lubor Niederle reports in “Slavic Antiquities”: “In Russian sources, according to which this custom is only known to us, there are several reports that the bodies of the dead princes Vladimir, Boris, Gleb, Yaroslav, Mikhail, Svyatopolk (X - XII century), whether they were buried in the winter or in the summer, were brought to the burial place on sleds ”. In addition, people who were waiting for their imminent death prepared themselves for the burial of a sleigh, and the old Russian expression “to sit on a sleigh” meant the same thing as “to be before death”. This tradition has long been maintained in Russia and in its south. This custom is also noted in other Slavic regions - in the Carpathians, in Slovakia, Poland and Serbia.

It is interesting that we discover sledges in ancient Egypt (as well as northern-type bronze swords, which belong to the early history of Egypt). On the eastern side of the burial chamber of the Egyptian ruler Tutankhamen shows the funeral procession. The body of the pharaoh lies in a sarcophagus on a stretcher with images of lions; and the sarcophagus stands in the ark, which people drag on a sleigh to the tomb. As it is known, snow in Egypt is an anomaly. To invent such a thing as a sleigh in Egypt alone could not. This item, which has such importance for the burial of the king, was brought from outside. And representatives of the upper classes, the aristocracy. This is the continuity between the civilization of the North (the Arians - the Scythians and the Rus-Slavs) and Ancient Dvorech, Egypt.

In the steppes of southern Russia already in the middle of the 3rd millennium BC. e. there was a developed plowing, and, moreover, irrigated farming (at that time the Sumerians still preferred hoe farming). Tserena’s work “Biblical Hills” raises the question: “Did the Sumerians learn the art of building canals and turning the marshy lowlands into fertile lands on vast plains that stretch from the Black to the Caspian Seas?” The same question can be posed with respect to another ancient Middle civilization East - Egypt. Egyptian civilization was economically based on artificial irrigation. Valley of the Great Nile River in 5 thousand BC. e. represented literally "empty space". Rare generations of hunters and fishermen roamed the local marshy lowlands. However, by the end of this millennium, a sharp qualitative breakthrough is taking place in the spiritual and material culture of this region. The rapid development of irrigation farming begins. And after a thousand and a half years in the Nile Valley, we already see the civilization that we are shown in a variety of artistic and documentary works, with huge pyramids and temples. Usually, this flourishing is preceded by centuries and millennia of prehistory, which create the basis for civilization. We do not observe this, there is no “preface”. From the wretched few anglers and the magnificent civilization of the whole "step" in historical terms. No wonder that a lot of “researchers” appeared on the background of this, who enthusiastically dig out the “traces” of alien influence, of a different mind.

In the first architectural monumental buildings of Egypt, for example, in the temple at the tomb of Djoser (considered the first pyramid in Ancient Egypt), imitation of stone wooden pillars and a vaulted roof was found (in fact, it was a prototype of the Greek hall and Christian basilica that would appear in the West only through 3 thousand years). The prototype for this temple, in ancient Egypt to Djoser, there are simply no such buildings, so-called. “Houses of high standard construction”, a favorite type of dwelling in the vast continental Eurasia. This type of dwelling is known from the most ancient times of the Pit-hole culture of southern Russia - this is the archaeological culture of the late copper age - the early bronze age (3600 — 2300 BC), it occupied the territory from the South Ural region in the east to the Dniester in the west, from the North Caucasus in the south to the Middle Volga region in the north. With the dwellings of the cultures of the Middle East, where they do not know winter, these houses have nothing in common. Therefore, it is not surprising that buildings of this type arise in Egypt only at the "beginning" of its history, and then disappear.

There is every reason to believe that the civilizations of Sumer and Egypt received an "energy push" from the North, from the southern Russian steppes, through the Caucasus (most often east, along the coast of the Caspian Sea) and Asia Minor. Migrations of this type were fixed at a later time - the movement of Cimmerians and Scythians to the Middle East, they could have been earlier. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain the emergence of traditions of spiritual and material culture, which are typical of the civilization of the North, in the Middle East. They appeared with groups of immigrants who brought their cultural traditions, cutting-edge technology at that time.

Obviously, the impact was not one-sided. Southerners quickly mastered advanced technologies, in the south they flourished, took elaborate forms and tried to influence the northern civilization (first of all, the military). Hike Persian ruler Darius in 512 BC. e. against Great Scythia was not the first invasion from the South. There is evidence that Ancient Egypt still waged war with Scythia. A number of ancient authors report on the wars that the pharaoh Sezostris conducted with the Scythians. Under this name are known several Egyptian pharaohs of the Senusserts - there were three of them, their rule belongs to the Middle Kingdom, when Egypt reached the peak of its power. Sources say that the outcome of the war for Egypt was so successful that Pharaoh’s army invaded the Northern Black Sea region.

Scythian element in Egypt, Dvorichche and Palestine in 2 thousand BC. e.

Sources report that in 17-16 centuries. BC e. Egypt and Mesopotamia were captured by some people who had a cavalry army. In Babylon, they were called "Kassites", in Assyria - "Mitanni", in Egypt - "Hyksos". Sources of these peoples are not reported on the origin. One thing is clear - they came to the Middle East from the outside, becoming the next wave of immigrants. To understand the origin of these "mysterious" horsemen, it is enough to recall that at that time only Indo-Europeans (arias) who lived in the expanses of Great Scythia possessed developed horse-drawn transport.

About the Indo-European origin of these warriors can be understood by a number of other signs. In particular, in the agreements of the state of Mitanni (it was founded by “horsemen” in the territory of Northern Mesopotamia and adjacent areas) with the Hittite kingdom (another state of Indo-Europeans in Asia Minor), dating back to 14 century BC. e., mentioned the names of the gods of the Aryan pantheon: Mitra, Indra, Varuna, Nasatya. Varuna is a god-father, a creator and an almighty; Mithra, the god-son, the god of the day and the sun; Indra - thunderer, winner of evil; The name of Nasatya is associated with the cult of divine horsemen, the wheelwalker Ashwins (they symbolize sunrise and sunset). Cassite riders who are in 1595g. BC e. established control over Babylon and ruled it in the XVI-XII centuries. BC. (in the 15th century BC, the Kassites subdued southern Mesopotamia), the god of the Sun Surios, the Vedic Surya, was known.

Some researchers of this period in the history of the region, for example T. Barrow, came to the conclusion that the language of the Mitanni population was the same as the Indo-Aryans. However, it is not customary to develop this topic, since this is a question related to the Great Policy, the struggle that is going on for the planet. Western historians do not want to admit the fact that the original homeland of the Aryans (Indo-Europeans) is located in Russia. Both Indian and Persian Aryans came to the South from their ancestral homeland, the steppe and forest-steppe zones of southern Russia. The migratory impulses occurred at different times and went in different ways - through Central Asia, through the Caucasus, the coast of the Caspian Sea, through the Balkan Peninsula.

A new major relocation of Indo-Europeans to the Middle East took place at the end of the 13th and the beginning of the 12th centuries. BC e. This time some sources speak directly about Scythians. According to Egyptian sources, the country was attacked by the so-called. "Peoples of the sea". So the Egyptians called in the XIV – XII centuries. BC e. previously unknown (or little-known) to them northern peoples who lived beyond the Mediterranean Sea. Among the "peoples of the sea" were the tribes: Sherdans (Shardans), Thyrsens, Tersha, Philistines, Chakkal, Danuns, Phrygians, Shakalesh, Achaeans, Garamant, Bows and Tevkra. The name "Shardan" is mentioned in Russian sources, they say that the brothers Skif and Zardan went to the "land of Egypt" by war. These shardan created the city of Sardis (the future capital of the Lydian kingdom) on the western coast of Asia Minor; a part came to Italy, settling the island of Sardinia (its name is on their behalf).

Southern sources also associate the invasion of the "peoples of the sea" with Scythia. Some ancient authors talk about the wars of the Egyptian Pharaoh Vesaus (a collective name like Pharaoh Sezostris) with the Scythian ruler Tanaem (perhaps a fictitious name or a nickname associated with the river Tanais - Don). The Egyptians were the first to strike, the Scythians repelled him and responded. As a result of these wars, the city of Tanis (Tanais) was founded in the Nile River delta. However, Egypt resisted, calling for help the neighboring tribes of Libyans and Ethiopians.

More successfully, the affairs of the "peoples of the sea" went in Palestine, where Philistines (Pelasgians) were entrenched there. They occupied the cities of Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gata, Gaza and founded Ekron. They had more advanced technologies (in particular, the technology of production of iron weapons and agricultural implements) than the local Canaan. The Philistines created a coalition of 5 cities and were more interested in maritime affairs than continental ones. At the same time, the Philistines were a powerful military force that slowed down the invasion of nomadic Semites (ancestors of Jews and Arabs), who at that time were at a very low stage of development. The Philistines have often smashed the Semites, preserving a high culture in the region. According to Tseren, the Philistines belonged to the steppe people who penetrated from the deep regions of the Balkan Peninsula, Central and Eastern Europe to the Illyrian and Greek shores of the Mediterranean, and from there through Asia Minor and the sea, the islands, including Crete, moved to the coasts of Egypt and Palestine.

To be continued ...
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  1. mongoose
    mongoose 17 October 2012 08: 36
    -7
    n-dya, the matter of slayers and other little things blooms and smells, aren't you tired?
    1. Ross
      Ross 17 October 2012 11: 27
      +7
      A wonderful review, fully lays on the materials of Mavro Orbini. We look forward to continuing.
      One of the reasons for the invasions of the Northern Vedic Aryans in the southern outskirts is the fight against the bloody sacrifices of wild pagan tribes. This is clearly visible both in America (Mayan cults) and in India (cult of Kali), etc.
      1. Pessimist
        Pessimist 17 October 2012 12: 54
        -1
        Quote: Ross
        One of the reasons for the invasions of the Northern Vedic Aryans in the southern outskirts is the fight against the bloody sacrifices of wild pagan tribes.

        Yeah !!! laughing And the reason for the war of Rome with Carthage is the cult of Moloch among the Carthaginians !!! laughing Do not tell, really ...!
        1. Ross
          Ross 17 October 2012 17: 02
          +3
          Pessimist,
          Apparently your nickname is not accidental. Before making fun, read better:
          Vinogradov O.T. "Ancient Vedic Russia is the basis of existence"
          "Traditionally, in official science, it is believed that the first city in the history of mankind was Jericho (present-day Yaricho, es-Sultan in Palestine). The original name of the area, the settlement is Yaricho. This name arose in the X millennium BC. Yaricho is the settlement of Yariyi - the Aryans near the Yardon River (distorted Jordan), this city of Yariev-Rus-Indo-European-Peytsy on the Yara River. The first to come here from the foothills of the Carmel are the Rus-Natufians (proven by archaeological finds). In the Middle East there are many unexcavated ancient settlements. In the East, the last decades are not conducted and not funded. Priority is given to objects of archeology and history of the Judeo-Israeli ethnic group. If researchers discovered a settlement, settlement or camp of Indo-Europeans, then the excavations were immediately frozen and even the information obtained was not published in the scientific press.
          Yu.D. Petukhov in his book "By the Ways of the Gods" wrote very well about the falsifiers of history. “The people take everything at face value. The people are used to trusting those who decide their destinies. Yes, I did not make a reservation, it is precisely those who decide their destinies, for the writers of "history", for their own reasons, often purely political, assign each people their own place, determined not by History, but by them, gradually deleting undesirable peoples from history, or attributing them into the compositions of other peoples, or giving them a clearly negative meaning (which, for example, did the pseudoscientists-politicians with the whole people of the Vandals-Rus). V. N. Tatishchev, M. V. Lomonosov, E. I. Klassen, A. D. Chertkov, A. S. Khomyakov tried to fight against such “academicians” -translators, who always occupied leading positions in our wretched state. many other genuine ascetic scientists, up to the ascetic scientists of our times. And if the scientific process proceeded according to its natural scientific channel, if undeniable arguments were accepted and considered, as it should in science, - for example, the disputes about the notorious "Normans" and their influence on Russia would have died down long ago. what kind of "Normans-Vikings" in the XNUMXth century can we say if all of Eastern, Central and Northern Europe, including Scandinavia, was inhabited by Slavic-Rus, and all the "chronicles" and "songs" of the Vikings were composed (based on Slavic epics) in XVI-XIX centuries? There is simply no question here. But we are forced to play by someone else's rules, distracting by endless routine disputes between “Normanists” and “Anti-Normanists” ... This is just one small example, which speaks about methods of distracting serious researchers from research, from the most necessary work - it is enough to squander them and drag them into endless disputes let them prove, let them justify themselves - who hears them, who sees them ... and meanwhile textbooks and encyclopedias write in black and white whatever the "Western school" wants. And therefore we call on the genuine Russian scientific historical world to abandon empty skirmishes and discussions, they are fruitless, they are aimless ... or rather, they have one goal: to split our forces, to distract us from genuine research. Stop chatting! Everything has already been proven, it has been proven by our titan predecessors. We must go further, revealing the True History to our people, to the whole world - intelligibly, clearly, confidently, and those who take us aside, who translate history from foreign languages, must justify and explain their positions .. "

          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 17 October 2012 21: 55
            +1
            I recently learned that we now have human rights that are so respected that psychiatrists of a mentally ill person can only be treated with his consent. And one of the signs of some deviations is a person’s full confidence in his mental health. I hope the connection between this fact and this passage is easy to trace ...
          2. Pessimist
            Pessimist 18 October 2012 00: 33
            0
            Quote: Ross
            The original name of the area, ancient settlement is Yarijo. This name arose in the X millennium BC. Yarikha - the settlement of the Yari - Aryans near the Yardon River (distorted Jordan), this city of Yari-Rus-Indo-European-Peits on the Yaroy River. The first to come here from the foothills of Carmel are the Russ-Natufians (proved by archaeological finds).

            How is this proven, the true name? There are no written sources, anthropological data speak about the autochthonousness of the local population at that time, and a very primitive culture for the "Rus-Natufians"!
            Quote: Ross
            (which, for example, was created by pseudo-scientists-politicians with a whole nation of Vandals-Russians).

            Roman sources - is it pseudo-politicians who wrote? Ancient Latin, very different from medieval?

            Quote: Ross
            For example, disputes about the notorious “Normans” and their influence on Russia would have ceased long ago, for what “Normans-Vikings” in the XNUMXth century can be talked about if all of Eastern, Central and Northern Europe, including Scandinavia, was settled by the Slavs -Russians

            Oops! And where did the Germanic tribes, Celts, Normans come from then ??? There were Gauls? Learn something serious about the subject, other than fun reading! At least "Russia and the Normans" by H. Lovmianski! The question has been dealt with very well! In favor of the Slavs, of course, but without the invented nonsense about "the life of people with dinosaurs."
          3. dom.lazar
            dom.lazar 18 October 2012 01: 11
            +1
            Well, if Petukhov, with his irradiated Neanderthals, later became either proto-Russians or proto-Ukrainians as an authority, then you can no longer discuss
            and the article, another vyser on the theme of the builders of the pyramids, the great archaeologists
        2. datur
          datur 19 October 2012 16: 46
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          Pessimist, the funny thing is that the Romans called it one of the reasons for the war !!!! yes laughing although the main reason for the 2 superpowers of that time was not getting along — someone was supposed to die — he turned out to be Carthage !!!
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 17 October 2012 20: 12
        +1
        Most of the migrations of peoples (invasions) are associated with catastrophic factors, mainly the fall of comets (serpent mountains). The soil becomes contaminated, you have to leave - for example, Tatars from Siberia or gypsies from Mohenjo-Daro. Exceptions are raids for the sake of prey from the Vikings or nomads. Traces remain in the ground - burns, C14, funnels, so that life forces, not religious views - why cut people out if they themselves are against blood in the temple?
    2. Beck
      Beck 17 October 2012 12: 10
      +5
      Vinaigrette with salad, chopped in one pile. Gathering of historical, archaeological ambiguities of various scientific schools awaiting their scientific explanation, with the author's lost desire for antiquity and greatness.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 17 October 2012 15: 48
        +4
        Quote: Beck
        One heap of salad and salad

        let me subscribe drinks .
        Everyone knows that the founders of Civilization are protoukry, they even brought mammoths to lard and wool, then pigs were not considered comme il faut, too small wassat .
        1. Beck
          Beck 17 October 2012 16: 38
          +3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          let me subscribe


          Do you speak? Why not subscribe. Only first, put mammoth fat on the site, so that the author Samsonov understands that he is nobody against protoucres.
          1. Beck
            Beck 17 October 2012 17: 25
            +1
            Carson is you minus. What did not understand humor or how?
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 17 October 2012 18: 10
              +4
              I'm not guilty ! tutuki:
              Quote: Beck
              Quote: Karlsonn
              let me subscribe

              Do you speak?
              I just saw it and I’m putting it now. hi and mammoth fat, it’s nourishing, I completely forgot to say - I also arranged proto-ice for the Ice Age, this is such an ancient Hyperborean way of salting wink .
        2. Pessimist
          Pessimist 18 October 2012 00: 36
          +2
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Everyone knows that the founders of Civilization are proto-Ukrainians,

          Exactly!!!! laughing Vinogradov is resting !!!!
    3. brr77
      brr77 17 October 2012 15: 00
      +5
      mongoose, and what is your assessment of history at school ?, and what did you read besides school history books?

      and then explain to me how ARKAIM fits into your understanding of history?
      and he is 5000 years old already.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 17 October 2012 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: brr77
        How does ARKAIM fit into your understanding of history?
        and he is 5000 years old already.

        and what is Arkaim? when will they find a laptop there?


        "Honoring Heaven Day"

        Once a heavenly chariot, engulfed in flames, made an emergency landing on Earth. Many thousands of years have passed. The heavy-duty skeleton of the once flying miracle could not destroy the abyss of centuries past.

        However, for our ancestors of the pre-Slavs, the starship is not at all a miracle. Their civilization is still far from the great achievements of ancient eras, but these people live a happy life, being part of the world around them.

        Looking at the mysterious heavenly alien, they understand that for the development of the spirit, the path to the unbridled development of technology is not always acceptable. fellow good bully
    4. Rink
      Rink 17 October 2012 18: 28
      +6
      No, the case of Schlötzer and Bayer, the unscrupulous liars, is blooming and smelling, but not Fomenko ... And although Fomenko and his associates are also full of excesses, he seems closer to reality than the official version of the story.

      So the truth, most likely - as usual - lies somewhere in between. And it seems even without a tombstone.

      PS By the way, before the advent of the Germans in Russian history, our ancestors did not even doubt that they were descended directly from the Scythians. It was "common knowledge" and "obvious", even for Lomonosov. It was the Germans who, with one stroke of the pen, made the Russians a "rootless" tribe that emerged overnight, out of nowhere, immediately over vast territories and in large numbers. And now everyone is surprised: how can this be ?! riddle! but you just need to forget that Schlözer and Bayer lied and remember what our great-grandfathers knew.

      PPS Many thanks to the author. All the misunderstandings in the official version of history should be discussed, and not hushed up as historians are used to doing. A selection of such "misunderstandings", "inconsistencies" and "coincidences" may one day allow us to build a more correct version of history than the one that is being fed to us now.

      What is the taboo on new versions of the interpretation of known facts?
      History is not a Bible, and not a religious dogma, stiff and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science should develop, and only a fool can believe that he already knows everything.
      1. Ross
        Ross 17 October 2012 18: 51
        +2
        Rink,
        History is not a Bible, and not a religious dogma, stiff and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science should develop, and only a fool can believe that he already knows everything.


        100% support colleague. +++++
        1. Pessimist
          Pessimist 18 October 2012 01: 06
          0
          [quote = Ross] Skating rink,
          History is not a Bible, and not a religious dogma, stiff and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science should develop, and only a fool can believe that he already knows everything.

          100% support a colleague. +++++ [/ quot

          First, take some time to study the history and methods of research, and then talk about the reliability of certain facts!
          1. vvvvv
            vvvvv 18 October 2012 01: 45
            0
            Calling / quot is not good.
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 17 October 2012 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: Skating rink
        although Fomenko and his associates are also full of excesses, but it seems to be closer to reality than the official version of the story.

        he’s really closer to earning money on myth-making.
        Do you like fairy tales? Your business, but do not confuse a fairy tale with science.
        Quote: Skating rink
        History is not a Bible, and not a religious dogma, stiff and motionless, but SCIENCE. Science should develop, and only a fool can believe that he already knows everything.

        no one is arguing with this.
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 17 October 2012 19: 18
          0
          I argue because it’s against. The Bible is not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless. None of the churches live according to the Bible. According to the book, or rather the books * as it is translated, there are 66 of them. It was written over the course of more than 1600 years. Besides it, nowhere else is it written about the future as a fait accompli (that is, as the past). Try to live according to her, check her actions on it. And history as a prostitute, a new ruler comes, or a new era comes and everything turns from head to toe, and lies, lies, lies ....
          1. Rink
            Rink 18 October 2012 00: 39
            +1
            Quote: JACOB
            I argue because it’s against. The Bible is not a religious dogma, ossified and motionless. ...

            And arguing in vain. First, I did not say that the Bible is a dogma. If you reread carefully, I had a listing: ".... not the Bible, and not a religious dogma." Do you understand? Neither one nor the other.
            In this case, it is not important that the modern text of the Bible settled down only after the 17th century, but before that changed according to the requirements of the present moment. It is important that the church demands to perceive the Bible "with the heart, not with the mind", and forbids doubting it, equating doubt with sin.

            Modern official historians also seem to turn their science into a religion, and they forbid to doubt the texts of their books. And those who try to talk about obvious inconsistencies and punctures contained in them are trying to declare a heretic and anathematize.

            Somehow, this behavior does not fit with the idea of ​​modern scientists.
            More gives back to the Middle Ages ....
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 18 October 2012 01: 03
              -1
              I will not persuade you, otherwise how is free will? Let us turn to the facts. About 3500 years ago, people were given information that the earth has a round, spherical shape. After 3 thousand years, churches are burned for these claims by people, scientists. Until the 70s of the 20th century, everyone thought that Pontius Pilate was a fictional character, but archeology confirmed its existence. And there are at least a thousand such examples. Why almost no one wants the Bible to be translated from the oldest scrolls to the most modern literary language? Because it is not profitable for any church. People will start to think that nobody needs it ...
              1. Rink
                Rink 18 October 2012 01: 49
                +1
                Quote: JACOB
                ... About 3500 years ago, people were given information that the earth has a round, spherical shape. ...

                It is a fact?! Are there any witnesses, or records at least? how is this "fact" known?

                Quote: JACOB
                ... Until the 70s of the 20th century, everyone thought that Pontius Pilate was a fictional character, but archeology confirmed its existence. ...

                Obviously, archaeologists managed to dig up Pontius himself and identify by the prints of his teeth?

                Quote: JACOB
                ... Why almost no one wants the Bible to be translated from the oldest scrolls to the most modern literary language? ...

                Obviously because the most ancient no scrolls left. And those that are are those translated. But honestly, the Bible interests me little. I mentioned it here only as one of the most widely known examples. But this is not about her.
                1. Allegedly
                  Allegedly 18 October 2012 02: 11
                  0
                  The Bible says that the earth was round several thousand years before the birth of Copernicus and Galileo

                  “He is the One who sits over the circle (Heb. Hug = circle or ball) of the earth” (Isa. 40:22).
                  circle and ball one word in jewish

                  The development of archeology in the 20th century shed even more light on the historical authenticity of the Bible. For example, for a long time, scientists have questioned the historical existence of Pontius Pilate, by whose order Jesus Christ was crucified. But in 1961, archaeologists discovered a stone slab with an inscription mentioning Pontius Pilate as the prefect of the emperor Tiberius, which is fully consistent with the narrative of the New Testament. This was the first archaeological find confirming the existence of the personality of Pontius Pilate.

                  Then we find the mention of Pilate in the manuscripts of the Jewish and Roman historians of the 1st century AD. For example, the Roman historian Tacitus, speaking of Christians, writes the following:

                  "Christ, on whose behalf this name occurs, was executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius."
                  1. Rink
                    Rink 18 October 2012 08: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: JACOB
                    ... circle and ball one word in Hebrew ...

                    Even if so, how can you see that you need to read "ball" at a time when everyone believed that it was a "circle" resting on three whales (elephants / turtles)?
                    Okay, even a "ball". But this is the Bible. And how is it known that they knew about the spherical shape of the Earth 3500 years ago, that is, 1500 years before Christ?

                    And about the stella with Pilate ...
                    A lot of fakes in museums, this is true. And if there is a special biblical archeology, then should the guys find something so that funding does not stop? Even though there is no certainty that biblical Jerusalem was located on the site of the Arab village of El Kuts.
                    In general, this whole story is very dark, like the trial of the pontiff’s valet ...
      3. nerd.su
        nerd.su 17 October 2012 22: 05
        +3
        Yes, we must talk about all the unclear things in history. It is not clear how Lomonosov understood this before the coming of the Germans, when he was born after this coming and fought with him.
        1. Rink
          Rink 18 October 2012 00: 28
          +1
          Quote: bot.su
          ..... It is not clear how Lomonosov understood this before the coming of the Germans, when he was born after this coming and fought with him?

          When Schlözer wrote that famous "work" of his, in which he substantiated the Norman theory, Lomonosov was already an academician. And for this he seemed to have to be born before Schlötser's work. This is the first.
          Secondly, Schlötser's research did not immediately find its way to the masses. At first, the Russian academy recognized them as “harmful” and “defamatory” and decided to withdraw and forget. And much later they surfaced outside Russia, from where they returned to us again .. And the people did not know for a long time after Schlözer's death that there was such a stupid version of one malicious German
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 18 October 2012 06: 44
            +1
            here I didn’t get it that it was specifically about Shletser and I had in mind the Germans who taught us how to live after Peter)
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 18 October 2012 07: 09
            +1
            By the way, Gottlieb Bayer was the predecessor of Schletser, who, in fact, founded the Scandinavian theory. And he did it just when Lomonosov received a passport and was a student yet ... And if you take into account that this theory was born not from scratch, then all the same I will be more right :)
  2. nerd.su
    nerd.su 17 October 2012 10: 03
    0
    And yet, in some cases, censorship is better than the phrase "The opinion of the editorial board of Voenniy Obozreniye may not coincide with the point of view of the authors of the publications" ...
  3. Igarr
    Igarr 17 October 2012 10: 15
    +8
    nerd.su and mongoose ... don't like it - don't read it.
    Where in the article about fiN?
    Rather, Petukhov.
    \ But in general - Samsonov Alexander.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 17 October 2012 11: 33
      +4
      I've already read it. A mixture of real historical facts with verbiage like "Shardana" - Sardis - Sardinia. It remains only to bring the line to sardines and declare that the descendants of the Scythians are conquering Russian tables ...
      Nomadic peoples, while sailing along the sea, became great farmers, built canals and ennobled Egypt ...
      I remember in the last century in Germany there was also a notorious corporal, who also wove something about the Aryans. That's just the Slavs for some reason considered the lowest race.
      1. Pessimist
        Pessimist 17 October 2012 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: bot.su
        It remains only to bring the line to the sardines and declare that the descendants of the Scythians conquer Russian tables ...

        That's for sure!!! laughing And to declare the sphinx the first Cossack chieftain !!! laughing
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 17 October 2012 12: 16
      -2
      Yeah, but I don’t like to fool people, and turn them into obedient zombie liberals who do not remember their kinship
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 17 October 2012 13: 57
        +2
        Yes, many do not remember what the Meotian swamp is ...
        And that the mythical Achilles was in the Meotian kingdom.

        Turheierdal excavated in the Don and found one that casts doubt on the movement from the server to the south. Read.

        Why did not one of the scientists who participated in the excavations from St. Petersburg and Moscow publish works?
        Didn’t find anything? Vryatli ... But they found gold and tombs of kings in the mounds, but here in the whole city they found nothing ...
        Listen to the voice of reason, not ours.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 17 October 2012 18: 22
          0
          Evrepid
          and why you do not love such a good scientist?
          Despite the unconditional merits, Heyerdahl’s theory that the Norwegians are descendants of immigrants living in the Kuban steppes is more than controversial.
          1. Rink
            Rink 18 October 2012 01: 59
            0
            Quote: Karlsonn
            ..... Heyerdahl’s theory that the Norwegians are descendants of immigrants living in the Kuban steppes is more than controversial.

            This is not Heyerdahl's theory. This is stated in the Scandinavian sagas, their epics. There they call their native Scandinavia "Malaya Svitod", and they supposedly came there from "Velikaya Svitod". Scrolling in the reverse order of the names and localities mentioned in the sagas leads in search of "Great Svitiod" somewhere in the northern Black Sea region (which is why Charles XII was carried somewhere near Poltava).
            Heyerdahl just wanted, like Schliemann, to test myths, maybe I would find ...
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 18 October 2012 12: 55
              +1
              Quote: Skating rink
              (why Charles XII and carried somewhere near Poltava)

              yeah, and we are descendants of the Hyperboreans, who, in turn, are descendants of the Atlanteans and those who finally came from the gods - there is an opinion that the Greeks believed in this, but it is strange that Prince Rus did not find the celestial chariot.
              About Karl, this is generally beyond fiction, there are articles about the Northern War - read, it will be interesting.
  4. Tektor
    Tektor 17 October 2012 11: 22
    +1
    Very interesting opinion that echoes mine. Somewhere there must have been an advanced civilization that could produce iron weapons. It was weapons at that time, and even now, that determined the level of "civilization" of this or that world order. Arkaim is evidence that more advanced technologies of that time should be located somewhere to the north ... And it seems to me that the "center of power" should be somewhere in the Arzamas region. The city of Kityazh. But this is speculation ...
    Here the other day, it seems they discovered (is it finally?) That the Platonic Atlantis is the island of Santorin. Mycenaean civilization.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 17 October 2012 12: 17
      -1
      This crap is about 30 years old if not more. at one time in the 80s I read about Santorin in the Technique of Youth laughing
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 17 October 2012 12: 38
        -1
        Literally this weekend I looked at a discovery showcase hd broadcast, where a seeker walked around the remains of the island, trying to find facts confirming some historical hypotheses. He was accompanied by a local scientist who convincingly told him and showed the remains of channels and ports on Santorini with computer graphics based on the data of Plato. It seems to be convincing.
        1. Beck
          Beck 17 October 2012 17: 26
          +1
          To the tutor.

          Civilization on Santorini was. But she is not the ancestor of all civilizations.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 17 October 2012 18: 13
            +2
            Beck hi ,
            evano, fans of alternative reality and specialists in Arkaim and me are minus wink .
            1. Beck
              Beck 17 October 2012 19: 01
              +1
              Carlson.

              And as you like. Tea is not sweet tea came to drink, sitting more bitter served.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 17 October 2012 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: Tektor
          this weekend looked at discovery showcase hd broadcast


          Quote: Tektor
          It seems to be convincing.

          enchanting! No more questions!
    2. Pessimist
      Pessimist 19 October 2012 01: 24
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      Somewhere there must have been an advanced civilization that could produce iron weapons. It was weapons at that time, and even now, that determined the level of "civilization" of this or that world order. Arkaim is evidence that somewhere to the north, more advanced technologies of that time should have been located ...

      The first iron began to be smelted from the so-called. "Swamp" ore - these are sticky lumps in the roots of bog plants such as water lilies. When these roots are burnt massively, a porous mass is smelted - kritsa, "dirty" iron. Moreover, kritsa was found in kilns for firing clay products, and even in later layers, furnaces for smelting iron appeared! It's just that people who lived in the swamps burned the pots with dry roots of bog plants, and they give heat more powerful than some tree, check it yourself on the barbecue! Massive iron weapons appeared among the well-known Assyrians, then the upper reaches of Mesopatamia were very swampy, that's the connection with "advanced" technologies ...
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 19 October 2012 13: 24
        +1
        Dear Pessimist ....
        I did not understand this - "..the upper reaches of Mesopatamia were very swampy ..".
        As far as I understand - by "Mesopatamia" you mean - the area between the Tigris and Euphrates. So?
        The upper reaches then fall in the mountain - steppe and mountainous terrain. Armenia, for example.
        As for the swamps there - I, to my shame, do not know. Enlighten?
        But in the lower reaches of Messopotamia there are really swamps. What fear. Only there, no kritz was found in kilns for burning clay products with dry roots of marsh plants.
        Can you imagine the technology - get dry rhizomes in a swamp?
        ...
        I will add - that, a huge number of iron-blast furnaces were found in the territory of Polesye (Belarus), the Volga-Oka region. And in the interfluve of the Oka - Desna .... Kursk magnetic anomaly is located. Water in rivers and swamp lakes is rusty.
        An excess of forest and the presence of ore - ..... no analogy suggests itself ...?
        1. Pessimist
          Pessimist 20 October 2012 01: 09
          +1
          Quote: Igarr
          As far as I understand - by "Mesopatamia" you mean - the area between the Tigris and Euphrates. So?
          The upper reaches then fall in the mountain - steppe and mountainous terrain. Armenia, for example.

          Assyria is also almost the upper reaches, in those days there were swamps too! And Armenia is then Urartu, the enemy of Assyria. And as for Polesye - I do not argue, iron swords helped the cultures of the Pre-Slavs to survive under the onslaught of alien nomads at about the same time - 8-7 centuries BC. e. But the conversation was about Egypt and the Middle East.
          Quote: Igarr
          Can you imagine the technology - get dry rhizomes in a swamp?

          They were simply dried in the sun! In the USSR and Russia, there is the Institute of Experimental Archeology, (I can not vouch for the exact name), where scientists try and reproduce ancient technologies.
          For example: in the 19th century, scientists believed that the owner polished a Neolithic flint ax all his life, passing it (the ax) by inheritance. Institute scientists manually polished the ax in two (!) Months by hand, with water and sand. About the same with swamp ore!
          For information, for the sake of interest: a Norman type sword weighing about 1,5 kg required about 125 kg of iron ore! Swords were not cheap, so then the main weapon was a battle ax.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 20 October 2012 14: 00
            0
            How did it happen???
            An ax weighs more than a sword.
            Otherwise, trees would be cut with swords and not with axes.
            The discrepancy is logical.
            ...
            Why grind a flint ax?
            Why do I need mms and din I guess.
            Why, poor hairy "..the owner has been polishing all his life," a Neolithic ax?
            Was he an esthete?
  5. rkka
    rkka 17 October 2012 12: 26
    -2
    A mixture of speculation and speculation, not supported by facts. Finom smacks of. Minus definitely!
  6. Pessimist
    Pessimist 17 October 2012 12: 50
    +1
    In Babylon they were called “Kassites”, in Assyria - “Mitannians”, in Egypt - “Hyksos”.

    A complete vinaigrette !!! The author mixed completely different cultures into one heap ... MINUS! Because of the invasion of the Hyksos, primitive nomadic tribes, the "middle kingdom", the Egyptian, perished! And the kingdom of Mittany had some dip. relations with the "middle" Egyptian kingdom! Full 1
  7. cucun
    cucun 17 October 2012 12: 50
    +1
    Serious discoveries await us when permafrost thaws .... I think that there was something, well, at a time when the jungle was warm there. belay
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 17 October 2012 12: 55
      0
      but in any case, you must first excavate, and then build theories, and not invent fairy tales, and using non-educated people to build myths
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 17 October 2012 14: 09
      +1
      First, it thaws very soon. If at all thawing. And secondly, the permafrost does not present any serious obstacles to excavations. From the times of the jungle we are separated by tens and hundreds of meters of sediments, one way or another connected with glaciers. So until we invent an eye that can shine through the bowels for hundreds of meters, we will not find anything in the north. In addition to bones and carcasses of mammoths.
  8. Setrac
    Setrac 17 October 2012 13: 20
    +8
    Dear mongoose, this is the work of the Vatican and other Western propaganda blooms and smells (we include Rezun among them), and the matter of pro-Russian propaganda (including the Fomenko case) defends and retreats. There are civilians in this information war — we and other people, soldiers — mass media workers, and generals — including historians, I don’t know who Fomenko will be, but not ordinary, but traitors and collaborators — who believe in Western propaganda, the history written in the west, the pro-Western, anti-Slavic history of Russia, written under the Romanovs.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 17 October 2012 16: 00
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      and the case of pro-Russian propaganda (including the case of Fomenko)


      Quote: Setrac
      I don’t know who Fomenko will be, but not ordinary,

      screaming running around the ceiling ...
      God forbid!!!

      "Prince Rus flew in the spring"

      The legendary, but from this no less historical image of Prince Rus is known from many Russian legends and chronicles. A brother of the same legendary Sloven, he founded the oldest Russian city not far from the place where the district center Staraya Russa now stands.

      From the legends it is also known that the prince had at his disposal a "heavenly chariot" on which Rus flew. It is likely that the outlandish airplane was created during the high-tech era of the Hyperborean antediluvian. Through a string of millennia, it went to Prince Pycy.

      and it feel no one knows who the dealer has feel ?
      1. Beck
        Beck 18 October 2012 09: 32
        0
        Carson.

        Where did you pick up aquaria? And that's it. Perhaps you draw it yourself? And you get it fast.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 October 2012 12: 59
          0
          Quote: Beck
          Perhaps you draw it yourself?

          abruptly bounce off!
          I’m not-not involved, it’s all Ivanov, who Vsevolod, his faith in fairy tales already took a clinical form, several years ago he ran into something - he laughed like a horse, and that came in handy.
      2. Joker
        Joker 23 October 2012 09: 01
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        "Prince Rus flew by .................. went to Prince Pycy.


        Actually, why not?

        Dear, you can watch a rather shaggy film (70s-80s) called "memories of the future." Lots of interesting facts.
    2. dom.lazar
      dom.lazar 18 October 2012 01: 19
      +1
      Well, if Fomenko give titles as on the site, by the number of nonsense and meaningless posts = then here he would be accepted into the generalissimo
      the benefit of the followers of arkaim (a small settlement consisting of two annular ramparts, and through which it shoots itself through bows - what a great city this is .... there is a great city)
      1. Beck
        Beck 18 October 2012 09: 34
        0
        Dom.laseru.

        Well. why are you so objective, to the point and not sparing the cheers-patriots.
        1. Joker
          Joker 25 October 2012 12: 51
          0
          Quote: dom.lazar
          dom.lazar

          Quote: Beck
          Beck


          Yes, it’s very difficult for people with an inborn inferiority complex to accept some facts.
        2. Joker
          Joker 25 October 2012 12: 54
          0
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Karlsonn

          Quote: dom.lazar
          dom.lazar

          Quote: Beck
          Beck


          Well, for some people with an inborn inferiority complex, it’s very difficult to accept some facts.
  9. Farvil
    Farvil 17 October 2012 15: 41
    +2
    The entire Internet, or rather 90% is littered with pseudoscientific nonsense, a lot of pseudoscientists have divorced, they are sorry for the young people to absorb everything. In conjunction with the current education, this is completely sad.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 17 October 2012 16: 00
      +1
      So I say, censorship is needed! And in order to comply with democratic principles, make a paid segment of the Internet, where you can write and read without censorship. If you want to read all kinds of nonsense - earn money for a barrel! And what, very democratic!
  10. Setrac
    Setrac 17 October 2012 16: 26
    +2
    As for Fomenko, I got excited, it is not known on whose side he is, maybe he is like General Vlasov.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 17 October 2012 16: 29
      -1
      I’m just about this (and not only), to read it, so the hair stand on end, in all places, stand up.
  11. Horde
    Horde 17 October 2012 18: 09
    +2
    all information on the ancient history of Egypt was compiled on the basis of the "History of Egypt" with a list of pharaohs by an Egyptian priest with the Greek name Manetho who lived in the 2-3 century BC.
    the history of Ancient Egypt was divided into periods of the Ancient, Middle and New kingdoms (which corresponds to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd volumes of Manetho’s History of Egypt). Although Manefon’s division of the history of Egypt was very arbitrary (since he included 10 pharaonic dynasties in each period without taking into account specific historical trends and realities),
    The conditional division of the Egyptian reigns by Manetho was as follows, in one hundred years, this author concluded three reigns, who does not know. On what basis he did this, the devil knows. Then he was rewritten, multiplied into different languages ​​and called "the main historical document of Egypt."
    -Accordingly, questions arise how these sources could reach us after more than two thousand years, which carriers could withstand such a period (parchment, papyrus?)
    -between the ancient world of antiquity and our time, runs through TI the period of the gloomy Middle Ages, when all the ancient books were considered pagan-Bessian and were subject to destruction, rather than careful rewriting?
    Manetho, just invented the "Hyksos shepherds" who came and captured Egypt. Morozov walked on about this, it's good that Egypt was captured by shepherds, otherwise the cooks could have been captured, it would be completely ridiculous. Here is a story from Manetho and becomes the basis for modern science-history.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 17 October 2012 19: 03
      0
      at the moment, in modern history, the prevailing point of view is that Egyptians were captured by immigrants from the Caucasus (do not kick and do not laugh), while it is confirmed by all anthropological studies of archaeological finds.
      1. Horde
        Horde 17 October 2012 19: 15
        +2
        at the moment, in modern history, the prevailing point of view is that Egyptians were captured by immigrants from the Caucasus (do not kick and do not laugh), while it is confirmed by all anthropological studies of archaeological finds.


        from the point of view of Fomenko, Nosovsky and the New Chronology, the ancient Hyksos are medieval Mamelukes, there are Cossack Cherkasy (not to be confused with the Circassians) Tatar-speaking Russians. They own Egypt from 14-15th century until Napoleon conquered Egypt.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 17 October 2012 20: 03
          +2
          Quote: Horde
          there are Cossack-Cherkasy (not to be confused with the Circassians) Tatar-speaking Russians. Owning Egypt from 14-15 to the conquest of Egypt by Napoleon.

          I knew it! I said so! the pyramids built protoukry for the development of tourism! everyone knows this and no one can prove that this is not so!
          drinks
    2. Pessimist
      Pessimist 18 October 2012 00: 54
      +1
      Quote: Horde
      Although Manefon’s division of the history of Egypt was very arbitrary (since he included 10 pharaonic dynasties in each period without taking into account specific historical trends and realities),

      Where, excuse me, did you read this? The ancient kingdom ended, actually in the 4th dynasty! And, I apologize, do you have sources more reliable than Manetho? With "TRUTH" about the Russians? And the Hyksos is Manetho's invention? But what about the "Hyksos dynasties" of the pharaohs, linguistic changes in the names of the pharaohs, the appearance of horses in Egypt, another anthropological type of rulers of the "Hyksos dynasty" ??? And, it's probably the Russians who visited Egypt!
      I, in fact, am a student of history, already 6th year, I have an idea of ​​the methods of studying historical events, when such "crap" is trying to pass off as truth, excuse me, it's ridiculous !!! This is me about the article!
      1. Horde
        Horde 18 October 2012 18: 04
        0
        But what about the "Hyksos dynasties" of the pharaohs, linguistic changes in the names of the pharaohs, the appearance of horses in Egypt, another anthropological type of rulers of the "Hyksos dynasty" ??? And, it's probably the Russians who visited Egypt!


        all this was only, certainly not in 1800l BC , and already in the Middle Ages, Cossack Cherkasy really lived in the Caucasus and in the foothills.
        In a previous post, I wrote that the Manetho dated the reign of the pharaohs to 33 years - my mistake is that these dates were made much later by the German archaeologist Henry Brooksch already in the 19th century.Therefore, all these crazy and thoughtless thousands of years of Egyptian history are just a whim of one archaeologist who considered a great historian who does not give in to any criticism. A pessimist - you say a historian? maybe there is still a reasonable explanation for this fact?
        Actually, I’m studying in history, already the 6th year,


        learn 6 years on historical? it’s strange why so, you probably have a lot of practice, both in medical practice? or 6 courses is not 6 years? Wait, everything can be.
        1. Kir
          Kir 18 October 2012 18: 21
          0
          Who knows, maybe this is a new master's degree format, or a pessimist, maybe an extra-mural, in your opinion, for example, how much art is full in Strogonovka-6!
          1. Horde
            Horde 18 October 2012 19: 08
            +1
            Who knows, maybe this is a new graduate format, or a pessimist, maybe an extra-mural,


            The educational process at the Faculty of History of Moscow State University
            on I course:
            basics of archeology; basics of ethnology; the history of primitive society; the history of Russia until the beginning of the XNUMXth century; the history of the ancient East, ancient Greece and ancient Rome; history of philosophy; the history of foreign art; history of domestic art; Latin language; foreign languages; physical education; emergency population protection;
            on the II year:
            the history of Russia in the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries; history of the Middle Ages; the history of the countries of Asia and Africa in the Middle Ages; the history of Russian philosophy; economic theories; quantitative methods in historical research; computer science and mathematics; oratory; foreign languages; physical education;
            on the III course:
            domestic history of the XX century; the history of the new time of the countries of Europe and America (mid 1918th century - XNUMX); the history of the countries of Asia and Africa in modern and recent times; computer science and mathematics; foreign languages;
            on the IV course:
            modern history of the countries of Europe and America; the history of the southern and western Slavs (VI century - 90 years of XX century); methodological problems of historical research; foreign languages;
            on the V course:
            general psychology and pedagogy; methods of teaching history in secondary schools.

            Graduates of the Faculty of History are assigned the qualifications:

            historian, history teacher (for full-time students, the term of study is 5 years);
            historian, history teacher (for evening students, duration of study 6 years);
            art historian, art critic (for students of the department of history and theory of art).
            1. Pessimist
              Pessimist 19 October 2012 01: 50
              +1
              Quote: Horde
              on the V course:
              general psychology and pedagogy; methods of teaching history in secondary schools.

              And on the 6th course: developmental psychology, historiography, new pedagogical technologies, the history of the USA and Canada, recent history from the 2nd MB.
              The rest is something like this!
        2. Pessimist
          Pessimist 19 October 2012 01: 44
          0
          Quote: Horde
          Therefore, all these crazy and thoughtless thousands of years of Egyptian history are simply the whim of an archaeologist who considered himself a great historian who defies any criticism.

          The ancient kingdom of Egypt intersects with the Sumerian civilization, and evidence of cultural exchange is found, albeit very poor, because the primitive tribes are all around, the Romans have not yet set roads! Moreover, the heyday interspersed with periods of decline of cultures. Henry Brooksh, of course, is dead, but many of his hypotheses are confirmed by archeology and modern dating methods, even the systematization of products, cultures and some documents. The middle kingdom of Egypt had diplomacy with the Hittite kingdom, the pharaohs even entered into an alliance with Hattusili, the king of the Hittites. And the Hittite kingdom died much later, under the blows of the Cimmerians, who were squeezed out of the Black Sea steppes by the Scythians! The Cimmerians and Urartu finished it to the end, Assyria was not able to completely destroy it!
          And 6 courses are in absentia! 6 years, specialty.
  12. Horde
    Horde 17 October 2012 18: 34
    +2
    There is evidence that even Ancient Egypt waged wars with Scythia. A number of ancient authors report the wars waged by the Scythians pharaoh Sezostris. Several Egyptian Pharaohs of the Senusertes are known by this name - there were three of them, their rule belongs to the Middle Kingdom, when Egypt reached the peak of its power. Sources say that the outcome of the wars was so successful for Egypt that the army of the pharaoh invaded the Northern Black Sea coast.

    It is ridiculous how the naked, almost naked Egyptian soldiers in skirts alone were able to pass the northern Black Sea coast, where, as you know, there are rains, snow, frosts, and even Scythians fighting?



    The funeral procession is shown on the eastern side of the burial chamber of the Egyptian lord Tutankhamun. The body of the pharaoh lies in a sarcophagus on a stretcher with images of lions; and the sarcophagus itself is in the ark, which people drag on a sleigh to the tomb. As you know, snow in Egypt is an anomaly. In Egypt, they could not invent such an object as a sled. This item, which is of such importance for the burial of the king, was brought in from the outside.


    About the fact that the kings in Egypt were escorted on their last journey to the burial place at SANYA, this is a very interesting and significant historical fact !!

    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 17 October 2012 19: 06
      +1
      damn, not long ago they wrote that the saccophagus is proof that the Egyptians saw the spacesuit, and here the sled is a degradation !!!
      everyone urgently revisits the film "Stargate" - there is the whole TRUTH!
      1. Horde
        Horde 17 October 2012 19: 29
        +2
        damn, not long ago they wrote that the saccophagus is proof that the Egyptians saw the spacesuit, and here the sled is a degradation !!!
        everyone urgently revisits the film "Stargate" - there is the whole TRUTH!


        funeral rites are the most conservative customs of the people, in order to change something in the tradition of holding a funeral, it is necessary for society to undergo serious changes. For example, after the revolution, instead of crosses, stars began to be used on funeral monuments. The result of the denial of religion by society. But to refer friends of the relatives of the deceased tomb on their shoulders to which vehicle has never changed from generation to generation.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 17 October 2012 20: 06
          +1
          I'm talking about mummification and all sorts of posthumous masks, I only believed that the pharaohs are descendants of aliens and here the BAM is the second shift, it turns out that the pharaohs are descendants of the Slavs belay how to live on?
        2. Pessimist
          Pessimist 18 October 2012 01: 01
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          .But carry friends of the relatives of the deceased coffin on their shoulders to which vehicle has never changed from generation to generation.

          That's for sure, what does the cart have to do with it?
    2. Pessimist
      Pessimist 18 October 2012 00: 59
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      Quote: Horde
      In Egypt, they could not invent such an object as a sled. This item, which is of such importance for the burial of the king, was brought in from the outside.

      Quote: Horde
      About the fact that the kings in Egypt were escorted on their last journey to the burial place at SANYA, this is a very interesting and significant historical fact !!

      I support you! Sani is an echo of tradition because the WHEEL appeared in Sumer on the border of the 4th millennium BC. e., and the pharaohs of pre-dynastic Egypt and the period of the early kingdom were naturally buried on draggers, WHEELS WERE NOT !!!!
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 18 October 2012 01: 59
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        You have false data. The wheel appeared on the territory of modern Russia. Read the data on archaeological excavations in Sintasht ... Look at Wikipedia. All scientifically and officially - the oldest known wheel, carts - found in Sintasht. I believe that the horse was domesticated here. I have more interesting hypotheses based on my personal research on the ground. In my region, the area is simply teeming with archeology 8-10 thousand years BC. The territory was very populated ... It is curious that on satellite images whole systems of channels linking small lakes are visible. Something else like beds in the form of terraces, indicating artificial irrigation around ... So, between the hills in the gorge, the system was dug and poured - the shaft-pit, and at the bottom of the pits moisture and water even into drought, flowing down as a result of groundwater from the hills . And the cultural layers contain material mainly 8-10 thousand years BC ... Not bad, right ?!
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 18 October 2012 04: 36
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          Nothing wrong ... at the beginning, protoukry, arias, Russes (underline necessary) came up with a sled, sowed a dull Egyptians .... then a wheel .... again shed a dumb Egyptians .... (Oh well, what kind of dumb Egyptians are these! !! ....) feel
          Sometimes .... when the Russians were bored, the Ini came in compact, (with uber advanced technologies) groups where the thread was in ancient Egypt and again they won it (mmm ... they brought culture and prosperity to backward savages))) wassat
          Lord !!!! How to write such a mona !!! ((((Honestly .... I thought this was the current we thought of the protoucrera .... it turns out to be ... impossible and cooler ... Schaub there were spaceships and other things at once).
          P.S. By the way, such "historical" delights are mainly used by unsuccessful peoples (those who did not have a special culture and have nothing to boast about the United States, for example). Look, the Italians or Greeks do not soar. It is sad to realize that the complex of "losers without history" has reached us ... and even so enchanting No.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 18 October 2012 13: 04
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            Quote: Corneli
            It is sad to realize that the complex of "losers without history" has reached us ... and even so enchanting

            he didn’t reach us, they brought him to us, and he cuts all sorts of wicked things like the Fomen.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 October 2012 13: 02
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          Quote: vvvvv
          Look at Wikipedia.

          forgot about the discovery bully .
          Well, as small children, by golly.
        3. Pessimist
          Pessimist 19 October 2012 01: 58
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          Quote: vvvvv
          Look at Wikipedia. All scientifically and officially - the oldest known wheel, carts - found in Sintasht.

          I’ll definitely look! Wikipedia is authority! laughing
          The most ancient evidence of the wheel is the CLAY MODEL found in Sumer, the TOY, two-wheeled carts! No carts of this age have been found! Even parts! A CLAY TOY is dated to the beginning of the 4th millennium BC. e.
          For yourself, at least read Wikipedia more carefully: "At one of the sites (Crooked Lake), a war chariot was found, dated by the bones of a horse 2026 BC e. "Where are there 8-10 thousand years ???
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 19 October 2012 13: 36
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            The oldest evidence of paleocontacts is clay models of airplanes and gliders.
            Found in both Egypt and South America. (If you go in line with your reasoning).
            ...
            Relying on traditional history, vain alternativeism is not needed.
            And vice versa.
            They exclude each other.
            But what about artifacts - which are not sewn to ... one organ ... sleeve?
            Forbidden Archeology, Michael Bagent. (Not at all FiN, right?). There is also Michael Cremo, in the same topic.
            ..
            If you wish - you can find a wagon and a small cart - and then giggle ...
            Someone over TI, some over Fin, some over Pastukhov, some over Alekseev, someone ... I can still name 20 authors.
            And to whom - just giggle.
            1. Pessimist
              Pessimist 20 October 2012 03: 00
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              Quote: Igarr
              Forbidden Archeology, Michael Bagent.

              Well, well, archeology! I read it, "forbidden"! Artifacts, etc. Yes, only Baigent and Cremo can neither prove anything, nor even systematize!
              How does science differ from "pseudoscience"! Example: an iron pillar was found in India that does not belong to the cultural layer in which it was dug. Scientists are silent, they say nothing. Hide ??? No, just not enough data to assert something! And without data - any statement by a scientist is equal in reliability to grandma's fairy tales about devils! Like the inventions of the same Bagent ...
              1. Joker
                Joker 25 October 2012 12: 59
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                And when one they found a bone from a monkey, enough data for the whole world to trumpet that they found a transitional link in evolution? Do not be so naive, look wider.
          2. vvvvv
            vvvvv 1 November 2012 13: 11
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            Well, read the excavation materials. It’s just that Wikipedia is always at hand, and other sources are a bit more difficult to find.
  13. Kir
    Kir 18 October 2012 03: 07
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    Vinogradov O.T. "Ancient Vedic Russia is the basis of existence"
    "Traditionally in official science it is believed that the first city in the history of mankind was Jericho

    the question is who counts, the supporters of God's chosen ones, including those who consider the Bible to be the light of truth. By the way, do these "orthodox" people know where this "masterpiece" has such a name at all, maybe it was worth digging for both them and the supporters of Vinogradov OT, this name comes from one of the most ancient, if not the most ancient city of Byblos! in which the best "paper" of that time was produced, so that's it !!!
    Now, with regards to the "blunders" of the author himself, where the "so-called" global flood, which did not exist, but there were several catastrophes of "regional scale", including approximately 3100 and 1300 BC exactly in the Mediterranean basin.
    So why is it that neither among us Slavs, nor among Arabs and Jews, there is no indication that the "ships" were sent to the West in the direction of the Canary Archipelago and further to the shores of Central and northern South America, especially since the connection can be traced in many At the same time (America) find images-statues of the Negroid and Caucasoid type, that is, not belonging to the racial characteristics of the locals, the same meeting of the Spaniards as the return of the "gods", etc., etc. P
    In general, I advise you to refer to the "classics" Thur Heyerdahl, by the way, the author himself was very much even versed in the signs characterizing this or that anthropotype, he would even read "Ancient man and the Ocean" for a general understanding, and if this is not enough, they are not so too many, since as far as I know, his scientific ones did not appear in Russian!
    1. Pessimist
      Pessimist 19 October 2012 02: 09
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      Jericho is considered a city very conditionally! Modern historians use the expression "Jericho culture" and "the village of Jericho culture". A relatively large settlement of the "temple economy" type, typical of early agricultural cultures!
      1. Kir
        Kir 19 October 2012 02: 41
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        Then the question is whether the Bible is older or not - the first, second origin of the Jewish ethnos and its "antiquity", in this regard, the antiquity of Judaism itself, since here I read (though information with a "smell of mold" 1987) "What did the ancient Jews believe", so instead of resolving some of the issues new ones arose, the only thing that enlightened Judaism became the "official" religion only from 621 BC,
        And now the question is not entirely relevant or completely not related to the topic where you can find completely Ustryalov (you can digitally and without adaptation to the modern one), Malthus, Mao Tzu Dong and the works of Nitiren (everything can be done digitally and without translation, there is to whom to apply for it), thanks in advance
  14. anti-fluid
    anti-fluid 29 October 2012 03: 57
    +1
    The idiocy of the situation lies in the fact that all of us, instead of trying to at least somehow try to accept the history of the greatness of our ancestors in our heads, we are trying to push it away and, with all our might, believe that all our people are a solid uneducated cattle who plays on a peanut with PCA by margin and moonshine in your pocket. You try to realize for yourself that you are part of an ethnos that has taught the whole world to speak, write, erase and bring kindness to people. Maybe you will understand that you are part of the great culture that we are. And today's situation is a terrible dream, from which I want to quickly wake up and not reach for a bottle, but on the horizontal bar about 15 times.
  15. anti-fluid
    anti-fluid 29 October 2012 04: 18
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    I talked with one Greek about this kind of topic and he wondered how we Slavs who gave the whole world culture, architecture, writing, the social and master foundations of life could take the idiotic Christian model of social order as the basis of a modern state and slide down to the level of tribes that scuba themselves on the subject national ideas like the one that is procrastinating in Ukraine "Nezalezhnosti", in Russia "multinationality and Christian Orthodoxy" in Belarus "Father-goat". And the people blinked to such an extent where the mere thought that he should live differently and be like his ancestors who taught the whole world how to live, and not spidermen terrifies. After all, it's easier to live in shit and blame someone else for it, than to live with dignity but at the same time work for the good of your country and people.