UAC offered the Ministry of Defense a two-seat version of the Su-57 multi-role fighter

The Russian fifth-generation multi-role fighter Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, negotiations between the UAC and the Ministry of Defense on the creation of a new modification of the aircraft are in an active phase. This was announced by UAC Director General Yuri Slyusar.

The United Aircraft Corporation offered the Ministry of Defense a two-seat version of the Su-57 multipurpose fighter, where the co-pilot would be responsible for the use of weapons, including interaction with various drones. Negotiations with the military are in an active phase, but no final decision has been made yet.

We are in the active phase of interaction with the customer. A significant advantage of the two-seat version of the Su-57 can be new tactical capabilities when operating with UAVs for various purposes, which allows you to get a synergistic effect when performing special tasks.

- leads TASS words of the head of the USC.

The fact that the Su-57 could get a two-seat cockpit was reported back in 2020, but then it was about the interest in this option of a foreign customer, although it was not excluded that the Russian Ministry of Defense would pay attention to it. Last year, the head of USC announced the start of work on the creation of several versions of the fighter at once, including a two-seater. There are no other details yet.

As previously reported, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57. In total, until 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract concluded in 2019. The Su-57 should be re-equipped with three aviation shelf. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

Comments

[Sergio_7]

A significant advantage of the two-seat version of the Su-57 can be new tactical capabilities when operating with UAVs for various purposes, which allows you to get a synergistic effect when performing special tasks.

If there are significant advantages, then it is necessary to implement!

[bouncyhunter]

I think so that it is necessary to implement. Even if in the interests of a foreign customer.

[neworange88]

And yet, I think that the bet should be made on the Su-75, where technologies that have been tested on the Su-57 will be applied.

[Sebostyuan]

I will support your idea. And I will add from myself. With the production of both the SU-57 and the SU-75, we need to speed up. CBO clearly shows that the sword will pierce the shield sooner or later. Air defense is good, but without the proper number of modern aircraft it will not cover the entire sky.

[neworange88]

Quote from Sebostyuan

I will support your idea. And I will add from myself. With the production of both the SU-57 and the SU-75, we need to speed up. CBO clearly shows that the sword will pierce the shield sooner or later. Air defense is good, but without the proper number of modern aircraft it will not cover the entire sky.

It is not always possible to speed up.

“During the time that has passed since the presentation of the project at MAKS-2021, feedback has been received from potential customers. Work was also carried out to optimize the cost and analyze individual technical solutions, which made it possible to significantly increase competitiveness, commercial attractiveness, and reduce technical risks when creating a domestic single-engine aircraft,” the minister said.

“Based on these works, changes were made to the project, which corrected the timing of the first flight. But at the same time, the principle of modularity and modern digital technologies made it possible to make these changes in the shortest possible time, and already in 2024 we plan to start flight tests,” he added.

https://aviation21.ru/pervyj-polyot-istrebitelya-su-75-checkmate-perenesyon-na-bolee-pozdnij-srok/

[JD1979]

Quote from: neworange88

It is not always possible to speed up.

This is called differently - incompetence, laziness, inconsistency with the positions held, sabotage, etc.

Quote from: neworange88

“During the time that has passed since the presentation of the project at MAKS-2021, feedback has been received from potential customers.

those. we do not keep statistics on market demand, we do not own the analysis. It’s stupid to compare the number of single and double-seat aircraft sold ... What are the main UAC aircraft that export one-two-seat? Two? How suddenly...
2 years of throwing on the fingers will we do or will not? Estonians are crying, they took the palm for the title of "biggest brakes"

Work was also carried out to optimize the cost and analyze individual technical solutions, which made it possible to significantly increase competitiveness, commercial attractiveness, and reduce technical risks when creating a domestic single-engine aircraft,” the minister said.

Well, you can’t say that they have been engaged in the relocation of reproductive organs for so many years.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Question one Was it a boy

[yuriy55]

Quote from Sebostyuan

CBO clearly shows that the sword will pierce the shield sooner or later.

The NVO clearly showed that you can’t go far in the carriage of the past, and the generals who are preparing for the last war should be retired.
And most of all, the CBO shows that you can’t win battles at the expense of mass heroism ...
And the SVO showed that the methods of combating the DRG, as well as effective methods of protecting the civilian population in the rear, are not enough ...

Quote from Sebostyuan

without the proper number of modern aircraft, the entire sky will not close.

And it’s not the number of aircraft that matters, but the chosen tactics for effectively destroying the enemy (enemy) by all available (including economic) means.

[futurohunter]

Sebostyuan

Do you have money to speed up?

[bouncyhunter]

Actually, it's a very sound idea. But the Su-75 is not flying yet, while the Su-57 is already. Perhaps in the near future, as you suggest, will it be?

[neworange88]

The Su-75 will be created on the basis of Su-57 technologies, it will just have one engine, but the airframe will be slightly different.

[Genry]

Quote from: neworange88

I think that the bet should be made on the Su-75

The Su-75 is significantly cut down compared to the Su-57. There are no all-round radars, weaker flight characteristics and fewer weapons.
Those. it is a light strike fighter that must be used in the field of view of its radars.

[neworange88]

But it’s more massive and cheaper. Even in the USA, the emphasis is on the light F-16 and F-35, in the Union there was a bet on the light MiG-29, although there were Su-27s, but not in the same quantities as the MiG-29. We have a big country and we don’t have enough budget to cover it all with expensive Su-57s. There will be Su-57s, but not as the most massive fighter, which the Su-75 should become.

[Genry]

Quote from: neworange88

We have a big country and we

Therefore, the MiG-29, with its small radius, was not particularly needed.

The 75 has its advantages due to its small size and less visibility. But to replace the Su-57 during the interception of a flock of cruise missiles or to bomb like the Su-34 - he will not be able to at all. His element is the destruction of aircraft, UAVs or single ground targets (but it is more effective to use drones or missiles).

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

In the USSR, the pilots nicknamed the MiG-29 "a short-range drive aircraft."

[Sergej1972]

The number of Su-27s was quite comparable to the number of MiG-29s.

[futurohunter]

Genry
Su-75 significantly reduced

Even more! This is an export marketing product, like the American F-35 (originally). In this political and economic situation, it is not needed at all. An extra waste of the budget, which is better spent on the Su-30/35/34/25, MiG-35, and finally launch the Su-57 into a decent series. And let toys for modellers remain in the past.

[Dedok]

Quote from: neworange88

technologies that have been tested on the Su-57 will be applied.

they talk about it, but in the Donbass - no one saw him
so where else to roll? - in Syria? so there is no enemy air defense ...

[Freeman2022]

Quote: Sergio_7

If there are significant advantages, then it is necessary to implement!

Su-57 is a very very beautiful aircraft. I'm sure this car can be made so that the Raptor, seeing it, turns 180 degrees and with full afterburner. I really hope that the Su57 will be brought to the maximum mind. Many will want to buy such an aircraft.

[max702]

And what a sound it has!

[hell machine]

Hooray, there will be a new prodigy. How much money will need to be spent on the development of a two-seat fighter?

[mojohed2012]

And the most interesting thing is how much due to such innovations "to the right" will the deadlines for the start of serial production of the Su-57 as a whole shift again?

[Zaurbek]

It already exists ..... as well as an order for 76 cars

[Alex777]

Do you think they don't understand?

[Piramidon]

Quote: mojohed2012

And the most interesting thing is how much due to such innovations "to the right" will the deadlines for the start of serial production of the Su-57 as a whole shift again?

What is the beginning? Serial production of the Su-57 has already begun and is underway.

[marc75]

Almost the same as for a single

[Blade3]

You might think you can really adequately perceive the figures of the defense budget

[marc75]

Of course not, just a little bit of logic, if the alignment of the airframe was violated, then these are new tests, purge, etc., and these are years and billions, and in fact this is a new product with all the new stages of development, total = 7-8 years

[Zaurbek]

So this does not mean stopping the execution of the order for the Su57 ..... Su35 is made at one plant, Su30 at another, Su34 at the third

[Rustic]

Su35 is made at one plant, Su30 at another, Su34 at a third

Not certainly in that way. 35, 57, MK - on one, SM - on the second, 34, 70 -. on the third. The fact that the order of Sparka 57 will not be given to the first one is for sure. Most likely it will go to the second one. Well, we must remember that if there is an order, then also 75 will have to be done somewhere.

[PPD]

Of course not, just a little bit of logic if centering......

If with such logic they approached su 27, then neither su 34 nor su 35 would appear

[cmax]

Quote from hell machine

Hooray, there will be a new prodigy. How much money will need to be spent on the development of a two-seat fighter?

I think the money allocated for 57 single seats is running out, something needs to be done. So they will make another 10 years double. Meanwhile, the striped ones handed over the 800th F35 aircraft to the customer, and 700 more were left on orders.

[Blade3]

You think badly - the production of the 57th is being developed with might and main.

[cmax]

Quote from blade3

You think badly - the production of the 57th is being developed with might and main.

When the first fifty dollars is unrolled, write. Just remember what the conversation was about. Time does not stand still.

[Stas157]

Quote from blade3

You think badly - production of the 57th with might and main unfolds.

How many aircraft have been delivered to the Army over the past four years with might and main serial production (since 2019)?

[Barberry25]

stupidity they wrote - two-seat cars are needed for training or for using strike weapons on the ground and reconnaissance, so 2-seat versions are created for most fighters

[cmax]

Quote: Barberry25

stupidity they wrote - two-seat cars are needed for training or for using strike weapons on the ground and reconnaissance, so 2-seat versions are created for most fighters

And right away it was impossible to think that the army needed. Or wanted the best, it turned out as always
(Chernomyrdin).

[Barberry25]

development is carried out within the framework of the TOR

[Sebostyuan]

So it was with aircraft of the 4th generation. Amer for training on the F-22; 35 did not need a training aircraft. In turn, the F-35 works great on the ground without a co-pilot.
The version for UAV control as suggested in the article is easily criticized. At first, let the worker UAV be developed and riveted massively, and the technology for controlling them can be worked out at SU 30, 34 by modernizing the avionics.

[Barberry25]

and how many times did he effectively work on the ground?

[Zhan]

This spark would be useful to us for flying around and training young pilots. The trainer does not solve all problems.

[Alex777]

Indians have always wanted a pair. And to us
heavy fighter with 2 pilots
will be very helpful.
And the Su-75 will fly one by one.

[valentine light]

You are right, but I personally believe that training machines are being produced.
Here the question is about signing a contract for a batch (not single cars) of doubles and not in a training version, but concentrated on the basis of an application from the military.
This is promising, but most likely a surcharge is needed, which confuses the military, and they want to "squeeze out" more "wonderful" options :))

[marc75]

Single troops have already filled up all the troops, now they will fill up with double

[Snail N9]

Yes, no ... Now drones have taken over the "minds". You give us an unmanned fighter of the "sixth" generation! Well and all that....

[Blade3]

Su-75 and 57 have full-fledged UAV modes

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

You will be surprised, but the Su-57 has the ability to fly in unmanned mode. In May 2020, tests were conducted in unmanned mode. True, the pilot was there, but his intervention in the flight was not needed.

[Zaurbek]

Make upgrades to the level of avionics and turbojet engines and armament of the Su-30 ..... to the level of the Su57, replace all the old Su30 / 34/35 with it ...... and do it en masse. Until the air defense and the airborne forces as a whole are saturated. Then the Su57 and Su75 will slowly crowd out the aircraft data.

[Blade3]

No, it's a waste of time and money. Su-57 and 75 so will gradually replace the 4th generation

[Zaurbek]

In the Russian Federation and with the 4th generation, production rates are not high ..... And even the Americans insure their 15th generation with the help of F5EX. And technically, such a board can solve all problems, except for stealth .... and unifies the park and will make it possible to upgrade what is already there to the modern level.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

Upgrade the level of avionics and turbojet engines and armament of the Su-30 ..... to the level of the Su57, replace all the old Su30 / 34/35 with it

Modernization already takes place at the time of overhaul, since the old equipment is not produced and a new generation is installed.
It is fundamentally impossible to shove everything from the Su-57 into the Su-30/35.
And the Su-34 is actually a bomber, albeit a highly maneuverable one.

[Zaurbek]

There is no version more modern than the Su35S .... in the 4th generation ..... The Su30 is only being led to this. Su34 is generally an atavism. It is necessary to leave one of all Sukhoi 4th generation with AFAR and a cockpit from the Su57 ... and modern turbojet engines. And finally, make an aiming container.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

Su30 only leads to this.

It is a two-seater and has corresponding tasks. There is no need to equate it with the Su-35.

Quote: Zaurbek

Su34 is generally an atavism.

What is his atavism?
Armored, imprisoned on the ground. Can be upgraded to a heavy UAV.

Quote: Zaurbek

And finally, make an aiming container.

Aiming container is when you forgot, when designing, to insert the necessary equipment into the aircraft.
Similarly with conformal tanks.

[Zaurbek]

No. The progress is that the Aircraft without a container with missiles would provide air defense and air supremacy ... and with a container and a universal AFAR - full-fledged strike missions. Why fence the cockpit with armor and remake the airframe without increasing the range - I don’t know. The global trend since the F111 (which was a higher rank) is a single glider with a heavy fighter.
In the case of unification with the Su35S, we will get air defense capabilities at all ranges ......

[alexey sidykin]

Realistically, what is better than two ILT single-seat options? If there are pilots, please answer. Otherwise, I'm used to the fact that a fighter is a single-seat if a bomber is a multi-seat one. The opinions of "experts" not related to the Air Force are not of interest.

[Arkady007]

There is such a helicopter "Shark", it was first made with one pilot and a smart helmet with an eye like Schwatzneger's. The tests passed with a bang. And when they began to use it in combat conditions, it turned out to be too early to clap your hands. Instead of a "helmet with an eye" they put another pilot (call it what you want) turned out to be cheaper and more reliable.

[alexey sidykin]

I know about the helicopter. I asked about the plane. As for the helicopter, what is cheaper is not in the know, but what is more reliable and simpler is a fact.

[Barberry25]

so the principle is the same - for strikes and reconnaissance you need an operator-navigator, so they offer him, but the basic task is combat training

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Barberry25

so the principle is the same - for strikes and reconnaissance you need an operator-navigator, so they offer him, but the basic task is combat training

Thank you.

[Rustic]

For a helicopter, what is cheaper is not in the know

It wasn't about the helicopter, it was about the pilots. Their training costs the same money. And it turned out that preparing two normal pilots is cheaper than one unique tester. It's the same with an airplane. One pilot simply does not have time to keep track of everything that is needed, if he is not some kind of rare talent. And they still need to be found.

[max702]

It turned out that in this case, KB MI can be disbanded as unnecessary. And citizens of the same nationality could not allow it anyway .. A similar picture with the MiG Design Bureau, but there common sense still won and these parasites were dispersed (almost)

[valentine light]

Two more fun :)
And in life, then control the car, monitor the radar, choose weapons from the available arsenal, direct and lead drones alone, as it will be monotonous.

[Rustic]

A person simply has a limit, so to speak, processing / control flows. For an ordinary person, 4-5 is the limit. 6-7 is already a talent / unique. And in an airplane, only 4 are needed for full-fledged aerobatics.

[Arkady007]

5-7 generation, but are they needed with modern air defense systems?

[AlOrg]

that despite the modern air defense of the RF Armed Forces over Ukraine, the planes and UAVs of the ukrofascists still fly

[Arkady007]

Do ours fly a lot in depth?

[AlOrg]

you can go back to the time of the Budenny cavalry. The horse and the javelin will not track

[Arkady007]

The idea is interesting, only no one knows how to ride horses now, and they run out of steam quickly.

[hell machine]

I don’t understand the craving of our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and watered leadership for child prodigies.
Even Americans with a budget of 800 billion prefer to buy relatively cheap and simple (by their standards, aircraft) and all of NATO flies on aircraft 30 years ago (development)
Simple and cheap aircraft, but modify the weapons for it.
We do not print euros or dollars, we print the ruble!

[AlOrg]

somehow it does not correspond to reality. More than 35 F-800s have already been built. Remove the veil from your eyes. Nata is not the same as she was in your youth

[Blade3]

NATA is really not the same anymore. Then she was Power and Strength, now one policy and business

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from Alorg

somehow it does not correspond to reality. More than 35 F-800s have already been built. Remove the veil from your eyes. Nata is not the same as she was in your youth

Although there are enough claims to this 35th, especially to the engine.

[hell machine]

Oh, yes, indeed, so many planes have already been made. The military-industrial complex of Hamburgers is working well, and we hardly make 20 Dryers a year.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from hell machine

NATO flies on planes 30 years old (development)
Simple and cheap aircraft, but modify the weapons for it.

F 35 is not at all 30 years old, although there are enough complaints about it.

[Rustic]

And how many of these non-30-year-olds are combat-ready unconditionally? There is a suspicion that the same f15 will be more. But this is definitely far beyond 30t.

[alexey sidykin]

Yes, there is such a thing

[AlOrg]

Everything is very slow, they started in 2020. Two years have passed, and everything has remained at the level of conversations. Under Stalin, during this time, the atomic bomb was able to be developed and tested !!!

[Blade3]

It's just that you are not at the factory, everyone is waiting for you to show how to work, in Stalin's way

[cmax]

When the Stalinist people's commissars will direct production, then we will show
In the meantime, the current ones, such as Manturov, have been trying to make a new AN-20 for more than 2 years, there will be no sense. You need to look less into your pocket, and take care of the state.

[Rustic]

Yes, everything is simple. Lock up the workers for 5 days at the factory in a place with the authorities. And so that no cops either in the process or after. Then there is no need for any Stalin. Yes, corpse trucks will be needed. But not much at all.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from Alorg

Everything is very slow, they started in 2020. Two years have passed, and everything has remained at the level of conversations. Under Stalin, during this time, the atomic bomb was able to be developed and tested !!!

Firstly, they developed it with the help of espionage and German developments ...

[wladimirjankov]

This UAC brought at least a single-seat su-57 to mind and began to supply it in series to the army. And then for 15 years they have been mulling this project. And the Air Force still doesn't have them.

[Blade3]

Wake up, there is already a combat use of the Su-57.

[28st region]

You can confirm your words from your combat sofa.

[alexey sidykin]

It’s better than the Yankees, who are raising money for supplies to their Air Force and at the same time for fine-tuning their F 35.

[El Chuvachino]

A strange story, considering a lot of talk about intelligence and a high level of automation.

[Dikson]

There is not enough intelligence .. and automation is not a panacea .. therefore. it’s cheaper than a supercomputer to put an operator in a second chair ..

[Suhoy]

They would have better offered a single in decent quantities.

[km-21]

A significant advantage of the two-seat version of the Su-57 can be new tactical capabilities when operating with UAVs for various purposes, which allows you to get a synergistic effect when performing special tasks.

Most likely, this is not from a good life, but due to the inability to create highly intelligent on-board equipment capable of taking on the functions of a second crew member.

[agond]

Quote: km-21

Most likely, this is not from a good life, but due to the inability to create highly intelligent on-board equipment capable of taking on the functions of a second crew member.

As they say, there are pilots in UFOs, usually three, and a maximum of five.

[Ros 56]

No super-wise electronics will replace a person in evaluating events, only in speed according to predetermined algorithms.

[DienBienPhu]

Moving in the right direction, China has also begun production of a two-seat version of the J-20, with the rear pilot focusing on flying the drone.

[Voronezh]

Oh Lord .... as usual, there are a lot of plans and a magical figure of 2024 .... can you arrange the production of an acceptable amount of one thing first, than to scatter your forces? Hope that after 2024 something will change and it will be possible to do nothing?

[Sedoy]

those. singles have already been riveted - nowhere to go, it's time for a double ...
clowns...

[Blade3]

Quote: Sedoy

those. singles have already been riveted - nowhere to go, it's time for a double ...
clowns...

Lord, how many idiots and fighting couch housewives have absorbed VO. Also clowns

[Dkuznecov]

We need a triple so that the special officer keeps an eye on
for these two smart guys.
You give variety to the masses.

[FRoman1984]

Purely in Russian. Not having completed the Su-57 (and fly with old engines), they are already undertaking to develop budgets for modernization. I want to swear at our Krivoruchek, Rogozins and Slyusars.

[Blade3]

Quote: FRoman1984

Purely in Russian. Not having completed the Su-57 (and fly with old engines), they are already undertaking to develop budgets for modernization. I want to swear at our Krivoruchek, Rogozins and Slyusars.

Pure sofa. Without carefully reading the article, another fighting sofa housewife hacked to death a proposal to create a 2-seater version of the fighter.

[FRoman1984]

Quote from blade3

Quote: FRoman1984

Purely in Russian. Not having completed the Su-57 (and fly with old engines), they are already undertaking to develop budgets for modernization. I want to swear at our Krivoruchek, Rogozins and Slyusars.

Pure sofa. Without carefully reading the article, another fighting sofa housewife hacked to death a proposal to create a 2-seater version of the fighter.

I see that a combat officer has appeared on the forum here, with a verb he burns couch specialists :) 2-seater cabin for which customer? India refused a long time ago, there are no others. You can, of course, do it if there is nothing else to do, but you still have to work and work on the aircraft in its current configuration. This was the meaning of what was written.

[Velmi Shin]

You don't need many of these Su-57s. The flight commander and squadron will have control functions, and they will need a co-pilot. Well, why is there still no information about the prototype with new engines? They are silent, the partisans, the deadline appointed for its take-off has long passed. At least some information was thrown off, the feeling that they forgot their promises altogether. Have the problems of import substitution and the military-industrial complex taken over?

[Reklastik]

Perhaps the complexity and scope of the tasks assigned to the machine at the moment cannot be fully provided by the existing electronics, which is why they offer a two-seater version ...

[Ros 56]

Most likely, there will be a great need for it when using the Su-57 as an attack aircraft against ground targets, and as a single-seat one, more likely to gain air superiority and destroy enemy aircraft. I may be wrong, but I think so.