US Ukraine is no longer interested. Returning to the Polish-Baltic variant

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I have always been impressed by the business acumen of the Americans. Their ability to strategically plan their foreign and domestic policies so that even in an unfavorable situation today, there is always a perspective for the future. So that in the future the situation will change as it is necessary for American business. So that even a defeat in the future turns into a victory.

You can talk as much as you like about the unscrupulousness of Americans, about deceit, about ruthlessness and inhumanity, but in the end, in most cases, their defeats turn out to be good for American business. The example of defeat in the Vietnam War perfectly shows how the Americans do it.



Today, because of the situation in Ukraine, the situation in Europe has become so tense that the governments of the NATO and EU countries are making many sacrifices in order to "defeat aggressive Russia." They deliberately destroy their own economy, bleed their own army, worsen the life of their own population.

Both we and the Europeans are surprised by the fact that Europe is on the brink of another world war. Nobody wants to fight, but for some reason the situation is developing in this way. We accuse the European countries of wanting to start a war, the Europeans accuse us.

Moreover, the division of countries is very clearly visible. Those who try to be independent or friendly to Russia find themselves on our side, while pro-American countries unanimously declare us aggressors. And sometimes it comes to complete absurdity. Like yesterday's statement by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern:

New Zealand will continue to respond to Ukraine's requests for practical support for its people who are defending their homeland. We are sending 120 members of the New Zealand Armed Forces to train new recruits in the UK.

This is part of our assistance to Ukraine, which also includes more than NZ$40 million ($25,7 million) in financial support and restrictive sanctions against 840 Russian individuals and entities.

And this despite the fact that the New Zealand army is 4 military personnel, plus 300 people in reserve and 1 civilians working in army structures. And the total number of the Armed Forces of this country, the army plus the Navy and Air Force is 800 thousand people. I wonder what New Zealanders will teach Ukrainians? Actions in the jungle or the use of modern weapons?

Nothing personal, just business


What is happening in Europe today? NATO countries are intensively emptying their own arsenals not only from Soviet weapons, but also from American ones, including analogues of their own production. Ukraine has already helped to get rid of obsolete weapons and is now receiving modern ones, which are in service with NATO countries.

Europeans are already beginning to ask their own governments about what their own army will fight with? And this is where the very strategic idea of ​​the Americans is revealed. The army of the NATO countries will have to be armed. With what? The answer is obvious. American weapons and technology! And, of course, it's not free.

Look at the countries on NATO's eastern flank. The Baltic "lions" and the Poles almost constantly come forward with a demand to Washington for the supply of weapons to protect against Russia. I don't want to write about Kyiv and its demands. They demand everything and a lot: "Produce and give us for any money."

MLRS HIMARS, SAM Patriot, F-16 fighters, Tanks Abrams, drums Drones Reaper, counter-battery radar… The list goes on. Exactly the same requests are voiced by other European states. Give me weapons, otherwise we're done!

It is clear that it is physically impossible to carry out arms deliveries right now. Simply because modern weapons are quite complex complexes in production. It is impossible to sharply increase such production. But these are orders for manufacturers. This is an opportunity not only to create new jobs for Americans, but also to “treat” a seriously ill dollar.

Obviously, requests to sell weapons do not just appear in the minds of European politicians. American officials work well with these "heads". Nobody disputes their influence on European politics. Here is what The Washington Post writes about this:

“Like Ukraine, which is not a member of NATO but is considered a close partner of the alliance, countries close to Russia say they are in desperate need of more military assistance from the West.”

Well, let's assume that the Balts and Poles receive weapons, and then what? Who will work with these weapons? Estonian or Lithuanian army? All "three people"? Naturally, trained military personnel will be required to work with these weapons.

That is, along with weapons, soldiers and officers of the American army should arrive in these countries! Simply put, in the countries bordering Russia, NATO is simply obliged to create new military bases! American weapons - American military. German tanks - German tankers and so on ...

Not many people know, but only recently the number of American troops in Europe, according to the same The Washington Post, has increased by 20 thousand people. Today, nearly 100 Americans serve in Europe. And the main forces are located just on the eastern flank of the alliance!

Another quote from the same article in WP is appropriate here. It is appropriate precisely as an example of the strategic thinking of Americans.

“But for the countries located at the very borders of Russia, this is still not enough. The military investments made over the past six months are gratefully received, but leaders in the region believe the alliance needs to be more assertive in the long term."

But why do the Poles and the Balts need all this fuss with weapons and NATO military bases? The explanation about the danger of an attack by Russia or Belarus does not hold water. Even for a Westerner. What is the reason for the desire to see Americans on their land?

Alas, everything is quite banal. Money! Money as an incentive to keep their own population in their country. It is no secret that today in the countries of Eastern Europe there is a process of population flow to the West. I would say this: the “law of throwing away unnecessary things” operates. Remember the path of trash to the trash heap - house-garage-cottage-garbage can.

Approximately the same is happening with the population of the Baltic States and Poland. The population rather quickly “flows into the countries of “old Europe” and is replaced by Ukrainians and representatives of other peoples, or the lands simply remain uninhabited. This process can be stopped only by creating jobs with decent wages. Foreign military bases are just the opportunity to create such jobs.

I really want to become "the beloved wife of the master"


There is another reason why, to a greater extent, the Poles are very "afraid of the Russian attack." For some reason, the politicians of the Eastern European countries decided that Washington's attention to their country is an indicator of the state's success. The more attention, the higher the country's weight in European politics.

Which Europeans are interested in the Baltics today? Well, there are some Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Well, some people live there. They do something. But nobody cares. There is nothing to see there, you don’t want to relax on the coast of the cold sea. The only thing that attracts is cheap alcohol and, sorry for the juicy detail, cheap whores. Poland is in roughly the same position.

For Poland today, it is extremely important to “be the beloved wife of the master” from the United States. The supply of American weapons, the deployment of American units on Polish territory is, according to the Polish authorities, an indicator that it is Poland, and not Germany and Britain, that is the main European ally of the United States today. "The haberdasher and the cardinal" in its classic form.

It must be admitted that Washington really recognizes today the leading role of Warsaw in Eastern Europe. It follows that it is extremely important for the Poles to continue to act in this direction. Especially now, when interest in Ukraine is falling.

Naturally, the question arises as to whether there will be American arms supplies to Poland and the Baltic states. The answer, in light of the recognition of Poland's leading role in Eastern Europe, is obvious. Deliveries will be. Moreover, the Poles and the Balts will receive American weapons in the first place.

When? There is no answer to this question yet. But the fact that this will happen much earlier than the countries of Central and Western Europe receive the same supplies is already clear. The only thing that could theoretically hold back the United States is concern for the security of Europe.

It is clear that the supply of American weapons to the Baltic countries and Poland will not go unnoticed in Russia. Moscow will take retaliatory steps to neutralize the danger. And this is a direct way to increase the likelihood of a military conflict in the region. The presence of a large number of weapons in the absence of mechanisms for the rapid resolution of disputes is always extremely dangerous.

I have a feeling that Europe does not think about the security of its citizens at all. I'm not talking about the Americans. The example of Ukraine has taught the Europeans nothing. We've been "harnessing" for a really long time. Sometimes too long. But we drive fast. So fast that we can only be stopped where we decided to go.

Intermediate results of the confrontation between Russia and NATO


In fact, it would be possible to complete the material with just one phrase, worn out to holes. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear. If not for the nuances. A small victorious war in Ukraine was quite consistent with the plans of the West. It is clear that no one expected a complete victory for Kyiv. A simple agreement on non-intervention in the war in the Donbass would be enough.

Then faith in Russia, in its strength would turn into dust. No one in the world will support a country with great ambitions and meager opportunities. But it so happened that even with the global support of the West, Ukraine is defeated and is on the verge of collapse. It turned out that Russia's resources are sufficient to wage a serious war in the long run.

It's a paradox, but the West, with its mighty, relative to Russia, economy is not able to conduct serious military operations for a long time. The arsenals are empty and no new additions are foreseen. Today, the same Americans are actively working to "collect" the remnants of Soviet weapons and ammunition where they are still preserved. In a real military confrontation, the West is losing.

Of course, for some time we will observe the agony of Ukraine. There will be senseless casualties among the civilian population and the military. But American interest has already been lost. Now that sphere of struggle becomes more important, where they always feel themselves winners. Economy and ideology!

Thus, the confrontation will be moved north of Ukraine. Namely, the Baltic States and Poland. The US will try to return the situation to the status quo. On the verge of a "hot war", but without crossing this line. Both we and the Americans will again begin to replenish our arsenals and scare each other with the weapons of the opposing side.
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  1. +3
    19 August 2022 11: 11
    NATO countries are intensively emptying their own arsenals not only from Soviet weapons, but also from American ones, including analogues of their own production.
    Or maybe world disarmament has begun? laughing Only, the people were not told about this? laughing
    1. +6
      19 August 2022 11: 21
      US Ukraine is no longer interested.

      As Stas157 accurately noted in an adjacent article about the next allocated $ 800 million, news about aid packages and the fact that Ukraine is tired of its sponsors is mixed.
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 12: 05
        Quote: military_cat
        about the next allocated $800 million - news about aid packages and the fact that Ukraine is tired of its sponsors is mixed.

        In the US, business has always been the main indicator, prevailing over other components. The United States seems to have allocated gigantic sums to Ukraine. As of May this year, about $53 billion was allocated. The only "secret" is that Kyiv did not see the lion's share of this money. Yes, there is the lion's share. Will not see anything. Dollars are distributed mainly within the United States itself. Most of this money will be spent by the Pentagon on the purchase of weapons. And not necessarily for Ukraine. And for "replenishment of own stocks".
        With this weapon, in general, everything is very interesting. For example, pricing. How much does the HIMARS MLRS cost? This is, of course, classified information. In open sources, figures are from 3 to 60 million dollars per installation. And one volley is worth a million dollars. Who sets such prices for weapons and ammunition? It is unlikely that the “hand of the market” and “competition” are strong here. It's just that the American military-industrial complex decided that this is the price for a given consumer. And she is. You might suspect that the markup and profit margins for gun sales are crazy. This, of course, greatly stimulates the American economy, creating a giant "thrust".
        As always, business ahead and nothing but business.
        1. 0
          19 August 2022 12: 35
          US Ukraine is no longer interested. Returning to the Polish-Baltic variant

          Washington only pretends that they are not interested in Ukraine.
          In fact, Washington is only hiding behind the back of its henchman London so that the USA itself is not naturally hit by an objective ANSWER from Russia.

          London, NATO, etc. - it's all EMPTY, US colonial puppets, because they are run by Washington / Pentagon!

      2. +1
        19 August 2022 13: 50
        All about some other countries. But nothing about our own. But recently they started buying up American papers again. 380 billion dollars turned out to be not enough, let's give it back. The news on Yandex is fresh. .Maybe we’ll collect money on TV, and we’ll give it to the USA.
        1. +1
          19 August 2022 15: 57
          Do not tell them, otherwise they will issue government bonds that are required to be purchased for this business.
  2. -3
    19 August 2022 11: 15
    When you have a bad neighbor who loves to swing a club and dictate ultimatums, buying a gun is a good idea. Well if it is not useful, but it is necessary to buy in any case.
    1. 0
      19 August 2022 12: 46
      In your comment, who is meant by the concept of a bad neighbor, Ukraine or Russia? And that happened in two ways.
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        1. Egg
          +4
          21 August 2022 13: 29
          Quote: Rudkovsky
          I do not remember that Ukraine would attack someone and promise "red lines" and "judgment days".

          Yes? and she apparently threw sweets in Donbass for 8 years ... well, well ... something with my memory ... I remember here, I don’t remember here
          1. -1
            5 September 2022 11: 14
            Donetsk was allegedly abandoned for 8 years, but it is intact. Mariupol was liberated for a month - it is in ruins. Russia, of course, is totally superior to Ukraine in the speed of destruction of the Russian-speaking Donbass.
            1. Egg
              0
              5 September 2022 12: 18
              Tell this to the children of Donbass and its inhabitants, look into the eyes of those who blew themselves up on the petals on the streets of Donetsk.
              Cynicism is off scale ... and who gave birth to you like that ...
              I was always amazed where such moral freaks are brought up.
              1. -1
                5 September 2022 12: 22
                Remind me how many residents were blown up in Donbass before Russia came to Donbass in 2014?
                1. Egg
                  0
                  5 September 2022 13: 52
                  Quote: Rudkovsky
                  Remind me how many residents were blown up in Donbass before Russia came to Donbass in 2014?

                  exceptional abomination, the very place for you is on the censor, they will support you there, enter into a dialogue with you - do not respect yourself
  3. +2
    19 August 2022 11: 15
    For some reason, the politicians of the Eastern European countries decided that Washington's attention to their country is an indicator of the state's success.

    It is possible that this is not attention. Given the initiative and desire of these countries to run ahead of the sanctions steam locomotive, this makes them good "switchmen" Yes
    Now that sphere of struggle becomes more important, where they always feel themselves winners. Economy and ideology!

    My opinion is propaganda in the state, and any, should be at the highest level. The economy is in any way faster to pull up than to raise a new generation.
  4. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 16
    Their capacity for strategic planning
    And more
    as a result, in most cases, their defeats turn out to be a boon for American business. The example of defeat in the Vietnam War perfectly shows how the Americans do it.
    I am reluctant to use the subjunctive, but I am sure that victory would have brought much more than I could squeeze out of defeat. Their latest successes are based on the foundation laid in the first half of the 20th century. But after all, nothing is eternal, the modern elites show a complete inability to the above-mentioned strategic planning. Luckily.
  5. +1
    19 August 2022 11: 19
    US Ukraine is no longer interested. Returning to the Polish-Baltic variant
    It is clear that they are tired of the Kukuevskys, already, everything and discontent will grow, but the "help" will dry out and noticeably.
    Intermediate results of the confrontation between Russia and NATO
    The most cunning have already fucked what they could, but the losses will not be small!
    Which Europeans are interested in the Baltics today?
    The question, of course, is iteresny, but against the background of all / many problems that the geyropa itself has accumulated, mainly due to its stupid actions, it’s somehow doubtful that anyone wants to take on the balance of those rogues from extinctions for maintenance.
    It may happen that, having burned themselves in milk, they will blow on the water ???
    1. +3
      19 August 2022 12: 09
      Judging by the fact that in Belarus they are now trying to revive the mood of 20, we should expect Western activity here. All social advertising about Tikhanovskaya with the company. The authorities are pressing hard on all this, but from Poland and Lithuania a shaft of information on the Internet.
      1. +1
        19 August 2022 13: 14
        The government itself, by its actions or inaction, provokes the discontent of citizens ...
        To say that things are getting worse in Belarus now is hardly the case.
        Comparing with the gay European "heaven on earth" ... it's not even funny.
        The question is ... how can the citizens of Belarus be attracted, taken care of, so that they would start looking for good, from good ???
        Of course, someone else's soul / brains are darkness ... but there are general rules, concepts, priorities that affect everything, significantly, determining people's actions.
  6. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 20
    It's a paradox, but the West, with its mighty, relative to Russia, economy is not able to conduct serious military operations for a long time. The arsenals are empty and no new additions are foreseen.


    Yeah. And soon it will inevitably fall apart.
    I wonder how these unfortunate seven years in Iraq, and 20 years in Afghanistan fought, supplying groups across half the world and still have not collapsed?
    1. -1
      19 August 2022 12: 07
      In Iraq, they used the bombardment of needy people with money. Then they ground the army. And that's it! There was no army in Afghanistan. With whom did they have to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan? Were they opposed by an army like ours? With aviation, artillery, a unified command? Here they dragged the stubborn ones well. They fight like the Americans. They get help. But! Bear losses! If ours had demolished all the bridges and substations from the very beginning, the stubborn would have been defeated. The truth would be the question of how we would be met by the vanquished! Maybe that's why we slow down?
      1. +2
        19 August 2022 12: 37
        In Iraq, they only had a strike force of 150. which they supplied for seven long years at a distance of 8000 km. and they didn’t overstrain at the same time, simultaneously driving a bunch of weapons into Afghanistan for 20 years.

        Question: with what fright are they now, with the supply of ammunition and weapons much smaller in volume and cost to Ukraine, will they overstrain?
        1. -1
          19 August 2022 14: 11
          In Iraq, intense fighting was going on at the beginning. And then the battles of local importance after the defeat of Saddam. And here they are already broken. Stocks are gone. New ones need to be produced. And this is the time. Maybe three or five years. What technology can they supply? A dozen MLRS and the same number of howitzers. It won't make the weather. Means of radio communication and electronic warfare? I do not think that this will affect the outcome of events.
      2. +1
        19 August 2022 16: 00
        And the vanquished, that so, that they meet so badly.
  7. +4
    19 August 2022 11: 26
    The Yanks are unscrupulous and will do anything for a dollar. Indeed this whole episode will help fill Uncle Sam's coffers. To cite a few resultant revenue streams consider:
    The EU countries now clamoring to buy US arms because of the perceived threat of war against them.
    The scuttling of Nord Stream 2 which has resulted in the US exporting LNG to Europe and highly inflated prices.
    The lease arrangements some countries have entered into secure US arms.
    The purchase of Ukrainian agricultural land by Monsanto, DuPont etc

    After some groundwork by Hunter Biden and Victoria Nuland, Ukraine has sold itself to the US. In the interim, brave souls fight each other while the US ghouls sit on the sideline.
  8. +2
    19 August 2022 11: 26
    As long as there is cannon fodder on the Ukrainian Reich, interest will not disappear. They will stop arming, but the elite will be paid so that the forelock masses with sabers and fuses voluntarily and forcibly go into the meat grinder.
    1. -1
      21 August 2022 09: 30
      In connection with what will stop arming?
  9. -1
    19 August 2022 11: 56
    I wonder what New Zealanders will teach Ukrainians?

    What to teach? Milking kangaroos, kangaroo milk is a big deficit.
  10. -2
    19 August 2022 12: 38
    Both we and the Europeans are surprised by the fact that Europe is on the brink of another world war. Nobody wants to fight, but for some reason the situation is developing in this way.

    What's so amazing about that? It’s just that the Germans first wanted a market in the form of Ukraine and did a lot to attract it to themselves, and then the Americans joined in terms of military bases for NATO. The Germans do not need this, but who asks them. In 2014, their plans were violated and the Americans had a new idea - to arrange dispossession of the Germans by arranging for them a military conflict with all the consequences. Now German capital is going to America along with orders for American armaments. That, in fact, is all. For that fought for it and ran.
  11. +2
    19 August 2022 13: 03
    A small victorious war in Ukraine was quite consistent with the plans of the West.


    Understood nothing.
    So it was the West that successfully provoked us in February to start the NWO?
    Did we play to their tune, act according to their plans?
  12. -1
    19 August 2022 13: 48
    Author:
    US Ukraine is no longer interested. Returning to the Polish-Baltic variant
    Well, yes, of course not interesting:
    The United States is preparing to allocate a new $800 million military aid package to Ukraine, which could be announced as early as August 19, Reuters reported, citing three sources.
    According to the publication, US President Joe Biden will use the powers of the head of state, which allow him to transfer weapons from US arsenals. What kind of weapon in question is not specified.
    Author:
    It is clear that the supply of American weapons to the Baltic countries and Poland will not go unnoticed in Russia. Moscow will take retaliatory steps to neutralize the danger.
    Somehow it doesn't work very well...
  13. 0
    19 August 2022 14: 26
    And, I have already met about a hundred articles, "Ukraine is no longer interesting to the United States," they betray, they leave, they are overthrown, etc.
    But in real life, exactly the opposite, new money, weapons, instructors, sanctions .....

    So, it’s beneficial for someone to write such ..... possible, if softly ......
  14. +1
    19 August 2022 14: 34
    I have always been impressed by the business acumen of the Americans. Their ability to strategically plan their foreign and domestic policies so that even in an unfavorable situation today, there is always a perspective for the future. So that in the future the situation will change as it is necessary for American business. So that even a defeat in the future turns into a victory


    Yes, as much as possible! The Americans did not come up with anything new and unique. They just do typical work in politics. And they are not doing it alone. All over the world, throughout history, there have been plans for how to profit. Forgeries, lies, provocations are all common political tools. Everyone is doing this, America, as the current hegemon, is simply more noticeable due to the high status, experience of their politicians and the reserve of resources that can be used for their own purposes.

    But only here, they naively believe that the world consists of noble knights. Only our "patriots" think that honesty and openness will be able to win. Civilizations have existed for many thousands of years, but always when someone relied only on honesty, he lost. This is politics, not jousting.

    Stop imagining a world full of butterflies and ponies, you need to learn how to cheat in politics and achieve your own benefits.
  15. 0
    19 August 2022 15: 05
    It's a paradox, but the West, with its mighty, relative to Russia, economy is not able to conduct serious military operations for a long time.
    The West has not started anything seriously yet.
  16. -2
    19 August 2022 15: 22
    Economy and ideology ... And here thoughts arise that if Russia does not turn to face the people in the best sense, introducing social programs, improving healthcare, education, raising salaries and pensions, then it is not a fact that new generations will not sell again country for "jeans and gum." You won’t be fed up with “Sarmatians” alone, and given the practically absent ideology in Russia, the socio-economic factor is now even more important, I think, than under the USSR. No need to lull yourself into terms like CBO. There is a war going on over who will own the new world and on what terms. Russia has already introduced into itself a large layer of Western ideological concepts and cultural attitudes (however, this is the case all over the world).
  17. 0
    19 August 2022 23: 59
    US Ukraine is no longer interested. Returning to the Polish-Baltic variant
    And today the United States announced the supply of new weapons. There is nowhere to turn yellow...
  18. -2
    20 August 2022 09: 37
    All such plans are easy to overthrow. It is necessary to cut off Lithuania from Poland, at the same time uniting with Kaliningrad. Consider the Baltics to be a thing of the past.
  19. +1
    20 August 2022 13: 06
    The author raves
    1. +1
      21 August 2022 09: 34
      About "a seriously ill dollar", it's not funny anymore, we've been burying everything for 40 years.
  20. 0
    21 August 2022 12: 17
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