In the Ukrainian press: The Wagner Group could have deliberately provoked an attack on the object in Popasna to reveal the location of the HIMARS installations

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After numerous publications in the press (primarily Ukrainian) about how the “Wagner base” in Popasna was attacked, the first materials appeared with an attempt to analyze the situation. Recall that initially it all boiled down to the fact that "the Wagner group accidentally illuminated the object of its location, which led to dire consequences for it." Footage of the destroyed buildings is published by a variety of TG channels, and they were filmed, as reported, by the "musicians of the orchestra" themselves.

Now there have been suggestions on the network that “the leak of data about the location of the Wagner group” could have been carried out deliberately, moreover, in the format of staging the fact that representatives of PMCs were indeed at the facility in Popasna.



Thus, the Ukrainian press publishes the version of the founder of the armed conflict analysis group (CIT - an undesirable organization in the Russian Federation) Ruslan Leviev. He presented a version according to which all this was “specially staged by Prigogine in order to reveal the coordinates of the HIMARS installations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

Leviev writes that Prigozhin is a “master of trolling,” and therefore it cannot be ruled out that the shooting with a person “like Prigozhin” was deliberate.

It is noted that such disinformation work could lead to the fact that the Hymars installations were identified by Russian troops and were (will be) destroyed.

The author of this version says that the Wagner group had never previously published footage with such a frank reference to the terrain. According to him, it’s like taking a picture next to a sign with an address and waiting for the arrival there.”

It should be added here that the CIT is an organization that is not least in contact with foreign special services and intelligence agencies.
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    1. +17
      15 August 2022 18: 15
      And where is the photo of Prigozhin when he is looking for his body. lol
      1. +18
        15 August 2022 18: 50
        They are bad! How can you cheat xoxlov then! It's not fair! Tricked into revealing the location of the chimeras! Only Russians can be deceived! This is the wrong war, dishonest! There are few shells, no one is making a revolution in Russia, the best army in Europe is not considered meat!
      2. +4
        16 August 2022 16: 59
        Quote: tralflot1832
        And where is the photo of Prigozhin when he is looking for his body. lol

        Did you ask?
        Pliz ...
    2. -1
      15 August 2022 18: 18
      The Wagner group could have deliberately provoked an attack on the object in Popasna to reveal the location of the HIMARS installations
      " request We call fire on ourselves" It's extreme, but it happens with us.
      1. -1
        15 August 2022 18: 42
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        We call fire on ourselves" It's extreme, but it happens with us.

        Yeah, when there is no other way out, and the enemies are pressing. And then what, it turns out that the Wagnerites fought off the pressing enemies, and asked other enemies to shoot at them? And they are happy to try. Wow plot... sad
    3. +10
      15 August 2022 18: 26
      If this is true, then this is an excellent operation, with live bait fishing, in the form of a controlled drain of information
      1. +3
        15 August 2022 18: 34
        Quote: Mitroha
        oh this is a great operation, with live bait fishing,

        But did the Hymers miss it if the ukrovermacht does not write about their loss and our Defense Ministry about destruction?
        1. -4
          15 August 2022 19: 44
          Quote: Canecat
          Quote: Mitroha
          oh this is a great operation, with live bait fishing,

          But did the Hymers miss it if the ukrovermacht does not write about their loss and our Defense Ministry about destruction?

          If the ukrovermacht does not write, then does this turn out to be the truth in the first instance for you ?. Then what should we talk about?
          1. +4
            15 August 2022 20: 32
            Quote: Mitroha


            Is it normal to read half of one sentence?
            1. -8
              15 August 2022 20: 49
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Quote: Mitroha


              Is it normal to read half of one sentence?

              Do we understand half of what we read?
          2. +1
            16 August 2022 06: 54
            Quote: Mitroha
            Then what should we talk about?

            You somehow find it, even trying to pull an owl on the globe. ))
      2. 0
        15 August 2022 18: 51
        Quote: Mitroha
        If this is true, then this is an excellent operation, with live bait fishing, in the form of a controlled drain of information

        What's the point? Did a spotter sit in a nearby barn and keep in touch with the gunners? Hymers destroyed, or not?
        1. +1
          16 August 2022 10: 45
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          What's the point? Did a spotter sit in a nearby barn and keep in touch with the gunners?

          In the XNUMXst century, counter-battery radars exist for this.
      3. +3
        15 August 2022 20: 18
        Quote: Mitroha
        If this is true, then this is an excellent operation, with live bait fishing, in the form of a controlled drain of information

        Yes, there are questions! Even when I saw these photos, I grabbed my head, wrote in the cart why they are deciphered! Therefore, the version is working!
    4. +8
      15 August 2022 18: 26
      Not a very version, the Himers fire daily, including at Energodar - I don’t want to reveal ... but judging by the summer of 2022, winter will be like real in the 70s, and not grandfather Bidon, but a Russian will come to the Nazis and their Western inspirers grandfather from a fairy tale about 12 months and in the purest Russian will explain - what happens to those who bomb power plants
    5. +2
      15 August 2022 18: 31
      Ukrainian dreamers never cease to amaze.
      1. +3
        15 August 2022 18: 38
        Quote from Pharmacist
        Ukrainian dreamers never cease to amaze.

        So they live in a parallel world.
    6. +3
      15 August 2022 18: 31
      po mojemu ukrainska deza iz Wagnerowcow Matrosowow 2.0 delajut sztoby predatela na SBY or WSU rabotajuszczego spasti
      wywod nuzne techniczeske sredstwa kontrola grazdanskoj swjazi sztoby gostajnu i wojtajnu berecz ze Snowdenom nsdo posowetowatsa i opyt NSA USA ispolzowat w etoj deze jest izdewatelstwo russkie otstalyje BPLA net protiwartilerijskih radarow net w otczajanwjuzejucyboj z szaszkami protiw Maksimow
      1. +1
        15 August 2022 19: 04
        Dear hello, it’s hard to understand what you are writing. I think if you wrote in English, it would be much clearer to us through a translator hi
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 00: 58
          Yandex translator also interprets Latin transliteration well. It just works for me on the right button
    7. +12
      15 August 2022 18: 33
      Well, I laid it out with reference to the terrain. A chimars arrived, hit it and left right there. How to calculate it? Either a satellite constellation or informants from the field are needed
      1. +2
        15 August 2022 18: 38
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Either a satellite constellation or informants from the field are needed here

        Rather, only the latter.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 20: 08
          Yes, informants are cheaper and do not require import substitution.
      2. +7
        15 August 2022 18: 41
        I agree. Himars is very mobile, it is difficult to destroy him in a firing position. Especially since they work from a distance. There is only either intelligence (agencies) or figure out where they are hiding with the help of UAVs.
        1. -1
          15 August 2022 21: 04
          DRG Specnaza mozet PTURSami z fugasnoj il itermobarycznoj BGw metallolom prewratit ja pomnu z manewrow Fugasnaja bojegolowka k PTURS byla uze pered 1990 w sojuznych armjach Warsawskogo Dogowora ich cele puskowyje ustanowki OTRS NATO
      3. -1
        15 August 2022 18: 58
        Quote: dmi.pris
        either informants from the field are needed

        and with this campaign there are big problems
      4. -2
        15 August 2022 19: 54
        And if the task was not to track Himarsy, but to pick up the gunner and work with him for the next adjustment according to the given radio game?
        The theme is not new and working.
    8. +9
      15 August 2022 18: 38
      If there were destroyed "chimeras" one could believe. hi
      1. +1
        15 August 2022 18: 56
        On the other hand, if there was a "destroyed headquarters", then only then it would be possible to believe in the arrival itself. Out of habit, will we wait for pictures from American satellites? For "here are the docks, the Americans have shown." Or maybe until we bury anyone?
      2. +1
        15 August 2022 19: 33
        Yes, no matter how much the General Staff did not declare the destruction of the Himars, there is still not a single accurate photo and video of these events with clear detail.
    9. +4
      15 August 2022 18: 43
      Hymars installations were identified by Russian troops and were (will be) destroyed

      If they were not destroyed immediately, then they will stick around at the launch site in anticipation of a return "gift". They shot back, and in a few minutes at least plow this place with return fire - you will only reduce the number of gophers.
      1. +3
        15 August 2022 18: 47
        Gophers will suffer when the nationalists are thrown back in the steppes to the Dnieper, when in the open area the Nazis begin to occupy their holes out of hopelessness
        1. -3
          15 August 2022 19: 09
          At this rate, it won't be VERY soon
          1. -1
            15 August 2022 19: 11
            Everything changes in this world... nothing lasts forever under the moon...
          2. SSR
            +3
            15 August 2022 22: 21
            Quote from Alorg
            At this rate, it won't be VERY soon

            Why soon?
            Do you remember the essence of the beginning of the NWO?
            Do you remember the NATO rollback ultimatum?
            Where does it say about the rollback of NATO from Ukraine? And what about the labuses and the rest of the ultimatum?
            Here, many people read but do not understand, but the vests are torn and the polymers are zealously sifted.
    10. +3
      15 August 2022 19: 01
      I really want to believe in this version, until it turns out. Prigozhin's photo is not a proof, a video would have been washed down with words like: "You bury me early, I haven't found my corpse yet" that would be the case. And so for some reason not good thoughts roam in my head.
    11. 0
      15 August 2022 19: 29
      Wagnerites are working, well done. There is combat experience, they use it ...
    12. -4
      15 August 2022 19: 52
      There are UAVs, there are satellites with their help, it is necessary to identify, as they revealed, you immediately need a helicopter landing, you need to capture
      Agents are a good thing, exploratory intelligence is not very effective just because the distances are large ...
      UAVs, I believe, are the most effective means, UAVs are primarily shock and long-range
      1. SSR
        -2
        15 August 2022 20: 10
        Quote: Saboteur_Navy
        UAVs, I believe, are the most effective means, UAVs are primarily shock and long-range

        You can answer like this.
        Air defense, I believe, is the most effective means, air defense is primarily medium and long-range.
        Dead end?))
        Only a complex of all means and measures gives a positive effect with minimal losses.
        Ps.
        The length of the DB line is more than 2000 km. Approximately 2400 km, this is from Poland to Italy, multiply by the depth of the fire impact.
        The scale is huge, ours are pulling with minimal impact on the Civil Sector. Personally, it’s hard for me, as guys in the minority of 1 to 6 or even 1 to 9, plus the help of the entire West, save us without transferring the country to a full-fledged war.
        The lowest bow to them.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 20: 28
          And what will the air defense drive for the RSZO? Will the S-300 be dragged straight or beech? Mobility is awesome ... and despite the range of the Hamers, they still need to move closer to the target of destruction ... In Ukraine, there is no echelon-equal air defense, but I didn’t see from the MANPADS that they were shot down at all ... And here’s how UAV destroys S-300, Wasps, Buk saw ...
          You have a dead end in your head
          1. SSR
            -2
            15 August 2022 22: 18
            Quote: Saboteur_Navy
            You have a dead end in your head

            Better my dead end than your fistula.
            Imha. You have a complete fistula.
            MANPADS, UAVs destroy s-300s, s-300s destroy MANPADS? Am I a writer from the mountains of the South Caucasus?
            Come on, goodbye, saboteur.
            1. -3
              15 August 2022 22: 28
              Show a video where a medium and long-range UAV with a MANPADS was shot down?
              In fact, you didn’t say anything - people, horses, fistulas, dead ends ... Ukraine would have to cover the cities with S-300s and beeches, and you are talking about individual defense of the RSZO, recently one klovan wrote to me here that the RSZO Himaras are guarding entire battalions .. .that's just the battalion with tanks and all armored vehicles and goes after Himaras ... And you are talking about the air defense defense of Himaras ... the only one whose task is to strike and at high speed under 100
              km per hour to wind up. A lot of you are funny here
              By the way, in the Caucasus, it was the UAV that destroyed the S-300, and you Kakkkaz, the Caucasus
              1. SSR
                -2
                15 August 2022 23: 09
                Quote: Saboteur_Navy
                Show a video where a medium and long-range UAV with a MANPADS was shot down?

                Quote: Saboteur_Navy
                Quote: Saboteur_Navy
                UAVs, I believe, are the most effective means, UAVs are primarily shock and long-range

                You can answer like this.
                Air defense, I believe, is the most effective means, air defense is primarily medium and long-range.
                Dead end?))

                Where are your previous comments?
                You yourself write...
                Recently, one klovan wrote to me here that whole battalions guard Himaras ... just like that, a battalion with tanks and all armored vehicles goes after Himaras ... And

                Have you already informed the MO?
                Please let us know that the "klovan" told you, maybe at least they will give the "klovan" an order.
                PS.
                Yes, your verbiage, prove your words.
                Only without NCR please.
                1. 0
                  15 August 2022 23: 37
                  Somewhere I already heard about the worthlessness of UAVs and about the fact that they are only suitable for driving natives in slippers
                  Renaissance straight belay
    13. -3
      15 August 2022 19: 52
      If the Wagnerians managed to put on such a performance - congratulations.
      Here, several "hares" could be killed at once, having simultaneously learned the channels of information leakage and the direction of these channels.
      1. -3
        15 August 2022 20: 05
        At the same time, without notifying
        1. +1
          15 August 2022 21: 24
          And that there are no traitors among your own?
      2. 0
        16 August 2022 05: 43
        The channel was even given a certificate of what to reveal there. Stupidly lit up and everything.
    14. +2
      15 August 2022 19: 55
      Perhaps this interpretation looks more like a "good face on a bad game"
      1. SSR
        +2
        15 August 2022 20: 21
        Quote: Vladimir Guryanov
        Perhaps this interpretation looks more like a "good face on a bad game"

        But this is not our interpretation.
        So whose mine is this in a bad game?
        1. +3
          15 August 2022 20: 48
          Quote from S.S.R.
          It's just not our interpretation.

          In Yes
    15. -1
      15 August 2022 20: 01
      Oh, shiz from ukrvermachtsmi has reached a new level). Did the Wagnerites by any chance come there to get to Biden huh? Otherwise, they say that Johnson's resignation is their work! Well, if so, then truly I say to you that in the winter of this year the earth will fly into the heavenly axis!
    16. 0
      15 August 2022 20: 04
      Yeah, but for some reason they forgot to warn their own. There is a photo where the wounded are pulled out
    17. -4
      15 August 2022 20: 16
      Let's just say it's just a version. If yes, if only ... But it would be better if she were truthful.
    18. 0
      15 August 2022 20: 16
      Quote from Aleks
      there are big problems with this

      ukrom naszolsa pod wojennkora zalegendowali
    19. +1
      15 August 2022 20: 20
      Quote: impostor
      Not a very version, the Himers fire daily, including at Energodar - I don’t want to reveal ... but judging by the summer of 2022, winter will be like real in the 70s, and not grandfather Bidon, but a Russian will come to the Nazis and their Western inspirers grandfather from a fairy tale about 12 months and in the purest Russian will explain - what happens to those who bomb power plants

      Do you think that they are not pros when they posted their photo?
    20. 0
      15 August 2022 21: 07
      Quote: Bourgeois
      The theme is not new and working.

      to many razjasnjajet
    21. +3
      15 August 2022 21: 14
      The author of this version says that the Wagner group had never previously published footage with such a frank reference to the terrain. According to him, it’s like taking a picture next to a sign with an address and waiting for the arrival there.”


      Someone is trolling someone...
      1. -2
        16 August 2022 00: 08
        Quote: cniza
        Someone is trolling someone...

        Campaign this ukroauthor sits now and giggles over all of us. He rolled such nonsense over gullible Russians.
    22. 0
      15 August 2022 22: 38
      In short, it's understandable. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are wet on all fronts. Now it’s clear why the Kremlin is literally squealing about negotiations
      1. +1
        16 August 2022 07: 28
        wet wet only Ukrainians retreat in most directions))))
    23. +2
      15 August 2022 23: 59
      It is apparently difficult and unproductive to comment on this "situation" ... It is difficult - because - as there is little open information (and it is not needed in the current situation), and not productive - because this is a closed Wagner operation (if such was in fact) and is not entirely appropriate for the "sofa - supposed commentary" ... It is alarming that "300" was pulled out of the ruins ... Let's leave the "debriefing" to the soloists "of the" Wagner orchestra ". If they see fit, then someone from the "orchestra" will tell about this episode on the pages of this respected publication ... Something like this ....
    24. 0
      16 August 2022 14: 25
      Now there have been suggestions on the network that “the leak of data about the location of the Wagner group” could have been carried out deliberately, moreover, in the format of staging the fact that representatives of PMCs were indeed at the facility in Popasna.
      ...
      It is noted that such disinformation work could lead to the fact that the Hymars installations were identified by Russian troops and were (will be) destroyed.
      Far-fetched and enthusiastically supported by a "group of comrades-commentators", although, if desired, one could read sources from both sides. winked And do not care what Gazeta.ru reports:
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) attacked one of the locations of the private military company (PMC) "Wagner" near the city of Popasna. This was reported by war correspondent Yuri Kotenok in his Telegram channel.
      “Sources in Donbass confirm,” the journalist added.
      The blow, according to preliminary data, was delivered from a multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) HIMARS.
      "Ukrainian resources are dispersing the death of Prigozhin - we do not confirm," he added.
      According to the Telegram channel "Operation Z: Russian Spring military commissars", several people were killed and injured as a result.
    25. 0
      16 August 2022 15: 30
      How did the nickname stick to the Wagnerites: "musicians" and "orchestra"? feel
    26. 0
      17 August 2022 23: 49
      Oh well .. there the house number was overwritten ...
    27. 0
      19 August 2022 14: 43
      The Ukrainian press began to guess that they were divorced again ...

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