“Mobilized reservists are put forward”: uncomplicated tactics of combat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass

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One of the main battles on the fronts of the special operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has now unfolded around Avdiivka, which the Kyiv regime has turned into a powerful fortified area over the eight years of occupation.

The positions that we capture are serious fortifications. Basically, everything is poured into concrete, even secondary positions. The main positions are so fortified that even heavy artillery shells do not break through the first time.

- said the officer of the NM DPR.



However, the capitally built defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not able to contain the offensive impulse of the allied forces. One of the videos shows footage of the capture of positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Avdiivka. The squad of fighters is delivered in armored vehicles to the line of defense, covered by forest plantings, dismounts and immediately occupies the enemy's trenches with fire support from military equipment.

During the offensive, the fighters of the allied armies are faced first of all with the mobilized soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Kyiv regime actually uses them as cannon fodder, putting them on the front lines of defense. At the same time, regular military personnel are used as a reserve, which is faced with the task of blocking breakthroughs.

More experienced fighters are drawn to fortified areas. Forward, they put up reservists with whom a fight is started, [they] die in batches. In this way they reveal the main lines of our offensive. Further, more experienced fighters put up serious resistance to us. But we also have methods of working with them.

- the officer of the NM DPR revealed the uncomplicated tactics of the battle of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass.

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  1. +17
    15 August 2022 16: 13
    To die for ukroreich is their choice. Don't give up - let them die.
    1. +2
      15 August 2022 16: 18
      To die for ukroreich is their choice. Do not give up - let them die.
      Not volunteers, but mobilized. They landed on the front line, a shell flew in and that's it, no one will offer to surrender.
      1. +10
        15 August 2022 16: 23
        They landed them on the front line, a shell flew in and that's it, no one even offered to surrender

        And I’m talking about them ... I took up arms, came with him to the front - you are an enemy soldier ..... Nobody will ask - is he a volunteer or mobilized. Don’t give up - blame yourself.
      2. +6
        15 August 2022 16: 30
        no one will offer to surrender.

        How about thinking for yourself? Maybe send a taxi for them?
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 06: 25
          Quote: Pereira
          no one will offer to surrender.

          How about thinking for yourself? Maybe send another taxi for them?

          I imagined a picture, for some reason I laughed for a long time.
        2. 0
          16 August 2022 11: 07
          Yeah. And six months ago they said, release? By yourself, by yourself. But nothing that you can get a bullet in the forehead for refusing to fight there right away?
      3. 0
        16 August 2022 09: 45
        Mobilized means made a choice.
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 12: 32
          Mobilized means made a choice.
          They generally do not refuse such proposals, otherwise you can get a bullet right on the spot and right away.
    2. -1
      15 August 2022 19: 35
      [media=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MiUkG2id8_M]
  2. +8
    15 August 2022 16: 14
    Nothing new ...., a well-established practice, unfired boys and "grandfathers" on the front under artillery ..... but there is an effect - the speed of advancing troops is slowing down ..., there is a tactical result in time, but a strategic one .. .., the war plan will show ...
    1. +2
      15 August 2022 17: 19
      Quote from uprun
      Nothing new ...., a well-established practice, unfired boys and "grandfathers" on the front under artillery ..... but there is an effect - the speed of advancing troops is slowing down ..., there is a tactical result in time, but a strategic one .. .., the war plan will show ...

      And we partially have a strategic one, we don’t throw “boys” at the bunkers, but the losses are borne by the regular army and they are not recoverable, we don’t have enough people on the streets and don’t throw them to the front line.
  3. +5
    15 August 2022 16: 15
    It is quite understandable. Mobilized in position, battered units in the rear for reorganization. And so in a circle
  4. +6
    15 August 2022 16: 16
    “Mobilized reservists are put forward”: uncomplicated tactics of combat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass
    There are a lot of them and they shoot!!!
    those that survive begin to shoot more accurately, if not more violently.
    Not all of them, but there are many of them.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 06: 29
      Quote: rocket757
      There are a lot of them and they shoot!!!

      Horror-horror?

      Quote: rocket757
      those that survive begin to shoot more accurately

      Not only everything can survive there, few can do it (c).
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 15: 39
        Choice, always choice!
        If you don't make it yourself, they make it for you.
  5. +7
    15 August 2022 16: 17
    This is not the defense of Ukraine (as the greens will announce), this is the disposal of Ukrainians. Strange people - it seems they are not loafers and could live ...
  6. -10
    15 August 2022 16: 18
    Who would have guessed that mid-World War I tactics would be used in 2022? belay
    Trench artillery war.
    Moving 200m a day is a serious success.
    1. +14
      15 August 2022 16: 22
      Trench artillery war.
      Are you talking about Palestine?
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 09: 39
        Yes, it’s about her, and a total war was invented by a Jew, and specifically Joshua..
    2. +5
      15 August 2022 16: 32
      This is yes.
      Even Khrushchev tried to bury the cannon artillery, relying on missiles.
      Half a century has passed, and artillery still determines the course of the war.
      Not Javelins, not Baitractors, but barrel artillery.
      1. +2
        15 August 2022 16: 56
        Artillery is in command when aviation is sleeping.
        And tanks rest when there are a lot of ATGMs.
        Remained: infantry and artillery.
        1. +4
          15 August 2022 17: 25
          Sometimes I have the impression that this is an operation-utilization of old Soviet artillery shells lol
        2. PPD
          +5
          15 August 2022 17: 27
          As the practice of the Great Patriotic War showed, the enemy cannot be destroyed even with a bombing density of 80 tons per square kilometer.
          This is not secret data, if we recall the World Wars.
          And from the same experience, aviation cannot replace artillery.
          Each species has its uses and advantages.
          1. 0
            15 August 2022 18: 00
            "And from the same experience, aviation cannot replace artillery" ///
            ----
            Maybe. With the advent of precision guided missiles and glide bombs, this became possible.
            But many, many times more expensive. Finance.
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 19: 30
              If the enemy has mostly infantry sitting there, it will be a little expensive for TOS guided missiles.
          2. +8
            15 August 2022 19: 42
            I am a former German officer, 23 years of service. I was an intelligence officer. On foot, parachute, wheeled tank, battle tank and light radar. We were glad that we had never been involved in mass clashes and therefore were not a target for artillery. Artillery is the god of war. According to various estimates, the Germans received from 50 to 70% of all losses from Russian artillery during World War II on the Eastern Front. My own grandfather was torn apart by Russian artillery in September 1944, and he has no grave. The approach in a special operation to minimize your own losses and maximize the losses of the enemy at the expense of artillery is correct.
            1. -4
              15 August 2022 23: 23
              Much has changed since World War II.
              Aviation received radar and optical sighting systems and accurate weapons with a CEP of up to one meter, which makes it possible to strike from the first flight high above the target.
              It takes one ammunition to destroy the bridge with an accurate aerial bomb. In the 2nd World dozens of bombers
              threw hundreds of bombs to destroy the bridge.
              The value of artillery for this reason has decreased.
              The Russian army massively uses artillery due to the lack of modern strike aircraft.
              In the village of Avdeevka, up to 5 thousand are released per day
              shells of 152 mm caliber. Of them in the target: trenches,
              shelters and firing points hits no more than 5 percent. Therefore, the village has not yet been taken.
              1. +1
                16 August 2022 06: 33
                Quote: voyaka uh
                In the village of Avdeevka, up to 5 thousand are released per day
                shells caliber 152 mm

                Let us suppose...

                Quote: voyaka uh
                Of these, no more than 5 percent hit the target: trenches, shelters and firing points

                What ceiling is this taken from? Were you sitting there, did you think? I do not believe (s).
              2. +2
                16 August 2022 09: 23
                Yes, you are right, a lot has changed since the Second World War. In particular, the number of aircraft decreased tenfold. And if 80 years ago the loss of a pair of bombers did not affect anything, now this is a reason for hysteria
              3. 0
                17 August 2022 02: 12
                Avdiivka is not a village. 35k population before the war, 40k in the holy nineties, at the beginning. The population density is over 1100 people. And that's not even the point here. It is very easy to strengthen the city and the approaches to it in 8 years, knowing that there will definitely be a war. Moreover, the other side did not count on waging this war and actually attacking to the last. About 5% accuracy? I don't know, I don't have data. But it is low, as it has always been with area artillery. But higher than that of World War II (drones with adjustment have not been canceled). Well, the difference is that the tactic of squeezing is adopted, without mass assault. They were not like in the Second World War and did not bring success, now they just decided to minimize losses. All this takes time, and quite full-fledged fortified areas grow like mushrooms, where they were not and were not planned for these 8 years. And they again have to, you have to cut them out with artillery.
                P. What strike aircraft do we not have? Quite to eat. Only now there is no desire to put it there. Or maybe you know a more modern one? Well, at least an example? Just don’t bring the Israeli one, with their strikes from the territory of the 3rd country, despite the fact that the SAA almost has an order to shoot down missiles, but not carriers. Yes, and Russia too. To not exacerbate.
              4. 0
                18 August 2022 21: 22
                You will laugh, but air defense has also undergone some changes during this time.
            2. 0
              15 August 2022 23: 45
              Quote from Harold
              The approach to minimizing your own losses and maximizing enemy losses at the expense of artillery is correct in a special operation.

              Minimization and maximization are too abstract terms. Now, if the operation "Bagration", but from the Dnieper to the Vistula in a couple of months, that would be the case!

              With tangible losses, but quickly, and, most importantly, couch-correctly! This is where the views of "experienced forum members" and direct participants diverge.

              The direct participant sees a ratio of 8-10 to one and considers his work effective. Well, the "experienced forum member" sees 1 km a day and is looking for conspiracy theories in everything.
            3. 0
              16 August 2022 09: 44
              In the sense of ROA artillery ... express yourself more precisely ..
        3. 0
          15 August 2022 23: 03
          ATGMs sleep when there is a lot of artillery.
          Air defense sleeps when there are a lot of tanks.
          Artillery, tanks and aircraft remained.
    3. +12
      15 August 2022 16: 32
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Who would have guessed that mid-World War I tactics would be used in 2022? belay
      Trench artillery war.
      Moving 200m a day is a serious success.

      And how much they took Mosul, more than six months, all the power of the United States + allies fiddled with the barmaley for so long, so there’s no need for about 200 meters a day ...
    4. +7
      15 August 2022 16: 47
      Quote: voyaka uh
      in 2022 will the tactics of the middle of the First World War be applied?
      Why not apply what works?
      I suppose you use a spoon that was invented several thousand years ago and don’t worry that there are high-tech mini-robots that can transfer food from a restaurant directly to your mouth.
      1. -3
        15 August 2022 18: 05
        "A spoon that was invented several thousand years ago, I suppose, you use every day" ///
        ----
        The sword was also invented several thousand years ago.
        But they are not used today.
        Although it works no worse than a spoon.
        Old weapons are used because there are no stocks of new weapons.
        1. +3
          15 August 2022 19: 07
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Old weapons are used because there are no stocks of new weapons ...
          Do you use a spoon because there is no money for a robot? Or according to the principle of reasonable sufficiency - why the hell is it difficult, if you can simply?
          In fact, it was about tactics, which are determined not only by weapons. The Americans in Vietnam also dug trenches, and not only flew in helicopters (contrary to Hollywood stereotypes). And again they will dig the earth if (when) they are hacked to death with China, for example. Because high-tech piu-piu from drones is good for barmaley in slippers, and when the enemy can hit with artillery, you will dig in like a pretty one even without a shovel ...
          1. -3
            15 August 2022 21: 02
            "Because high-tech piu-piu from drones is good for barmaley in slippers" ///
            ----
            This is good against any regular army. This is the future of wars. But it is psychologically curious that even after half a year of the Ukrainian campaign, you (and many) still do not understand this.
            1. +9
              15 August 2022 21: 42
              Quote: voyaka uh
              This is the future of war...
              Well, why the future? In Hollywood, they have been fighting like this for a long time - a lesbian general in a beautiful uniform gives an order to a disabled black man in a beautiful uniform, he presses the buttons on the keyboard (cool users never use the mouse) and for twelve thousand kilometers a cool drone lays a turn and such a piu-piu rocket . And the evil enemy of democracy in the secret bunker is like that, bang! and exploded. And with him another one hundred and seventy-five hundred evil Russians (Iranians, Afro-Africans, aliens, etc.). And that's it, this is where the war ends.
              By the way, there were still drones in this war - those same magical Bayraktars that split the mighty army of Artsakh-Karabakh into one or two. The dill-patriots counted on them very much. But somehow quickly ended. It turned out that drones do not dance against a regular army with normal air defense. I'm surprised you didn't understand this...
              1. -6
                15 August 2022 22: 04
                Nice post.
                He fully showed your level.
                hi
                1. +6
                  15 August 2022 22: 07
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  He fully showed your level

                  Warrior, your level has long been known: throw, rebound, repeat.
                  1. +3
                    16 August 2022 05: 44
                    Repellent (R)
                    Yesterday, 22: 07
                    NEW

                    +3
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    He fully showed your level

                    Warrior, your level has long been known: throw, rebound, repeat.
                    and during the "rebound" manages to get a ration of matzah from the owner. wink
                2. +4
                  15 August 2022 22: 15
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  showed your level...
                  Well, your post showed the lack of a level.
                  By the way, in Afghanistan, American high-tech of the XNUMXst century did not succeed against local Kalash and slippers. I am sure that you have the most convincing version that brilliantly justifies this.
            2. 0
              16 August 2022 09: 26
              One of the conclusions of the current war is that attack drones do not work against the regular army. How many bayraktprov were there? How much is left? At the same time, there are practically no videos of their successful work.
    5. +3
      16 August 2022 06: 54
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Who would have guessed that mid-World War I tactics would be used in 2022? belay
      Trench artillery war.
      Moving 200m a day is a serious success.
      And here I agree with you. I don't understand why downvote. Everything is so, in small steps, 100-300m advance. This, unfortunately, is the result of the true result of the rearmament of the Russian army and its true capabilities in the conduct of hostilities. I hope I may be wrong.
  7. +4
    15 August 2022 16: 19
    The NATO management system for implementation in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is bearing fruit. We have a slow progress, they have mountains of corpses.
    1. -1
      16 August 2022 05: 52
      And the lack of supply on the other side of the Dnieper. Loss of all bridges. Are you looking at CBO through some kind of filter?
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 05: 55
        Even the Americans admit that the loss of bridges is not critical for us. Read their comments on your laudatory articles in their press. The military, and not any fool.
        1. -1
          16 August 2022 06: 01
          I read, I read. With my mind, experience and education, I cannot understand how to successfully and fully supply the group without bridges.
          1. 0
            16 August 2022 06: 03
            So you read badly, or rather you read well, you read only what you need.
            1. +1
              16 August 2022 06: 11
              No seriously. I studied the issues of support on the scale of a motorized rifle battalion. These are pretty serious numbers. Okay, drinking water and partly food, but what about fuel and lubricants, ammunition? And the removal of the wounded? Rotation ? To me, this is a very serious problem. Will they bring sensible air defense to them? Cover the sky and you can attack ??? And behind our backs is the Dnieper and a couple of pontoons ?? Comrades! Here you need to do something, and not pretend that everything is fine!
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 06: 16
                The American press, possibly destroyed. Is there even one dropped span in the river? We can also say a lot of things over the bridges. A couple of pantones? Then that's it for you.
                1. -2
                  16 August 2022 06: 19
                  Why fly? The vehicle cannot pass. Bridges under the fire control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Tell me specifically, as a specialist, especially judging by the shoulder straps, an expert - what am I wrong about? Only without - "oh everything!"
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2022 06: 25
                    Of all the videos with hits, only two holes show damage to the power structures. The rest of the holes are in the canvas. There are only 27 kg of explosives in the Highmars. That's it.
                    1. 0
                      16 August 2022 06: 28
                      27 kg is a lot, especially when 6 pieces fly into the span between the supports. You can’t carry a trawl with a tank. Yes, and Ural 10 m3 too.
                      1. 0
                        16 August 2022 06: 37
                        27 kg for the bridge is nothing. Moreover, it was built under the USSR. The Haimars KVO is 7 m, this is not a surgical scalpel, a hole in the canvas, but 50 cm, the video shows that the power beam is intact.
  8. -9
    15 August 2022 16: 19
    Reasonable tactics, as opposed to Russian tactics, Russia hopes that it will knock out all the regular troops in the Donbas and then it will be easier, but in fact, untrained reservists are knocked out, mainly recruited in the east and south of Ukraine. And the elite remains unharmed and is preparing to attack. So all the talk about taking the Donbas now and there the front will collapse is just Wishlist
    1. +5
      15 August 2022 16: 25
      Only now veterans are sent to plug holes, so it's not so simple. At least this can be seen from the fact that mercenaries are attracted as officers.
  9. +2
    15 August 2022 16: 24
    Process psychologically.
    By radio.

    "Surrender's coming! Surrender! In captivity, you will be fed bacon, let you sleep on your bed, beat and mock, like your Nazis over our prisoners - they will not. They will provide medical assistance if necessary. We know - piss that you will be avenged. But there is no choice you don't have. Otherwise, disposal."
  10. +5
    15 August 2022 16: 27
    And how they wept: "evil communists drove untrained (well, yes, for a couple of months) people to slaughter, grabbed and mobilized everyone in a row." I feel the Soviet generals are tossing and turning in their graves from khokhlotaktiki.
    1. 0
      15 August 2022 16: 33
      They smile in their graves. They have finally been rehabilitated.
  11. +7
    15 August 2022 16: 34
    So, in my opinion, something similar was still in the ranks of Alexander the Great (if I'm not mistaken) there, too, in the first rank, fresh "meat" in the second is a bit more experienced, and the "oldest" and most experienced are behind, if the first ranks are crushed or those draped experienced ones enter + the enemy on the first ranks will get a little tired, here is the same parsley.
    1. +3
      15 August 2022 21: 03
      Quote: Murmur 55
      So, in my opinion, something similar was still in the ranks of Alexander the Great (if I'm not mistaken) there, too, in the first rank, fresh "meat" in the second is a bit more experienced, and the "oldest" and most experienced are behind, if the first ranks are crushed or those draped experienced ones enter + the enemy on the first ranks will get a little tired, here is the same parsley.
      This was in Roman legion
      First line hastati - young
      Second line principals - experienced
      third line triarii - veterans, the last line of defense or the basis of a counterattack.
      soldier
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 11: 16
        It was like that in all the army
  12. +6
    15 August 2022 16: 38
    However, the capitally built defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not able to contain the offensive impulse of the allied forces.
    Why storm fortified areas? They must be taken into the cauldron, they themselves will come out when they want to eat. It seems that the Second World War clearly showed this. The rear needs to be smashed, and not to grind down the army about the fortress!
    1. +1
      15 August 2022 16: 56
      Then Donetsk will be shelled for another six months. It is because of the shelling that now we have to take it head-on in order to move it as far away from Donetsk as possible. We were hoping for a better rate of progress, but...
    2. +2
      15 August 2022 19: 16
      Quote: bk0010
      it is necessary to take it into the boiler, they will come out themselves when they want to eat. It seems that the Second World War clearly showed this. The rear needs to be smashed, and not to grind down the army about the fortress ...
      The Second World War showed that you are tormented to destroy the rear even with raids of several thousand aircraft. And the Sixth Army of Paulus near Stalingrad, after a complete encirclement, resisted for another three months. But Koenigsberg, turned into a fortress, was taken in a few days.
      So, fig knows where the couch experts get such confidence that the war can be won not by defeating the enemy army, but by quickly destroying bridges and government buildings ...
      1. +2
        15 August 2022 21: 10
        Quote from: nik-mazur
        So, fig knows where the couch experts get such confidence that the war can be won not by defeating the enemy army, but by quickly destroying bridges and government buildings ...
        From what happened in 41 in the USSR and in 45 in Germany. And bridges and government buildings are out of business here at all.
        1. +1
          15 August 2022 21: 51
          Quote: bk0010
          what happened in 41 in the USSR and in 45 in Germany ...
          And then, in fact, a lot of things happened - and boilers, and positional battles, and fortresses were stormed, and counteroffensives happened. It is not entirely clear why you only consider the defeat of the rear important. Despite the fact that the landmark events of the Great Patriotic War - the Moscow counteroffensive, Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge have nothing to do with the defeat of the rear.
          1. +2
            15 August 2022 22: 31
            Quote from: nik-mazur
            And then, in fact, a lot of things happened - and boilers, and positional battles, and fortresses were stormed, and counteroffensives happened.
            No, there were no positional battles. It's called blitzkrieg. When the front breaks through and a motorized maneuver group is introduced into the breakthrough, which just smashes the rear. The defending side conducts a heroic defense, but does not cede an inch of land to the enemy. That's just the problem: of all the stocks, she has only what remained in the rear of the regiment, at best, divisions. The rest was taken or destroyed by the maneuverable units of the enemy. That is, after 2-3 days they run out of ammunition and fuel, the heroes become encircled and, leaving heavy weapons and equipment, sadly go towards the new front line. The defense disappears like a lump of sugar in boiling water: it seems like it was just strong, but once - and no, in general. And no one could stop this blitzkrieg during WWII, neither we, nor the Germans, nor the Americans and the British. He either stopped himself, since it was necessary to take cities (Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Voronezh) or he was not allowed to start (Kursk Bulge). After the war, they found a cure for blitzkrieg (mobile defense), but whether the enemy can use it now is a big question: there are serious requirements for the mobility of troops and the strength of strikes.
            1. -1
              15 August 2022 23: 07
              Quote: bk0010
              a motorized maneuver group is introduced into the breakthrough, which is just destroying the rear ...
              In fact, they cut communications and supply lines. And if they smashed the rear, then only the neighbors. The deep rear was smashed only by Anglo-American aviation at the very end of the war. Which, by the way, did not prevent the Germans from organizing an offensive in the Ardennes and at Balaton.

              Quote: bk0010
              He either stopped himself, since it was necessary to take cities ...
              And cities are not an analogue of fortresses, for which you had to wage protracted, positional battles? And what do you mean, blitzkrieg stops by itself? In fact, according to theory, there is only one reason to stop the blitzkrieg - the complete defeat of the enemy and victory in the war. And since this did not happen, then, probably, blitz krieg is not such a prodigy and a role model.
              1. +1
                16 August 2022 01: 39
                Quote from: nik-mazur
                In fact, according to theory, there is only one reason to stop the blitzkrieg - the complete defeat of the enemy and victory in the war.
                Or, for example, the inability to supply troops without taking the transport hub.
                Quote from: nik-mazur
                blitz krieg is not such a prodigy and a role model.
                Now yes.
                1. +1
                  16 August 2022 02: 38
                  Quote: bk0010
                  Or, for example, the inability to supply troops ...
                  No. Blitzkrieg is, by definition, lightning warfare. Not a type of tactic, not an operation, not a battle, but a war that must end as a result of one operation. And the experience of the Second World War just shows that if the enemy has a defense in depth and reserves, a blitz krieg can become a suicidal adventure. That is, it is not only an ambiguous concept for modernity, but everything depends on specific conditions. For example, in Kuwait the situation favored a blitzkrieg – Iraq had neither defenses nor reserves. But in Ukraine, the situation is different, and therefore the strategy is different.
                  As for large-scale operations with wide coverage and breakthroughs in depth, their effectiveness is often illustrated by the Battle of Kursk, as a result of which the Soviet army received a strategic initiative and did not lose it until the end of the war. Meanwhile, it is forgotten that the German side counted on the same thing, but failed.
                  Thus, such large-scale operations, first of all, should serve as an illustration of how risky they are. And if in forty-three it was literally about the life and death of the state, now the situation is completely different, and, therefore, there is no point in taking risks - it is much more rational to slowly go down the mountain and not rush, without too much fuss, fuck the whole herd ...
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2022 07: 12
                    Quote from: nik-mazur
                    now the situation is completely different, and, therefore, there is no point in taking risks - it is much more rational to slowly go down the mountain and not rush, without too much fuss, fuck the whole herd

                    War is not only blood, but also money, big money and resources. Hence the question - will the Russian economy withstand a long conflict. And here not everything is clear.
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2022 16: 37
                      Quote: cmax
                      the Russian economy will withstand a long conflict
                      The price of a conflict depends not only on its duration, but also on its intensity. And as far as I understand, the chosen intensity is the one that has the least impact on the economy. Actually, all economic problems are not caused by hostilities, but by a side effect in the form of sanctions. If not for this, the Russian economy would not have noticed anything at all.
                      What couch experts do not understand at all, drowning for the transfer of the economy to martial law and general mobilization. Well, if everything works out and we win in a month, but if not? Then kapets economy with all the ensuing consequences, both military and political ...
    3. 0
      16 August 2022 05: 53
      And how many boilers in 170 days!?
  13. +1
    15 August 2022 16: 43
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Who would have guessed that in 2022 there will be

    There are a lot of strange and incomprehensible things.
    For example, after Abramovich's negotiations (just like Berezovsky's betrayal, after the capture of Grozny, negotiations in Khasavyurt, and a shameful, temporary peace), withdrawal from units from good bridgeheads.
    Lured ukrovermacht into a bag?
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 13: 45
      As the ancient Latins used to say: after this - does not mean because of this.
  14. +3
    15 August 2022 16: 45
    And these wretched and similar creatures blathered and blathered something at Stalin, and his generals, accusing them of "filled up with corpses." You see, they were judged by themselves.
  15. +2
    15 August 2022 16: 50
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Who would have guessed that mid-World War I tactics would be used in 2022? belay
    Trench artillery war.
    Moving 200m a day is a serious success.

    Uh-huh, the area is just some kind of a couple of European states. But something tells you that you are far from that.
  16. +4
    15 August 2022 16: 52
    Quote: navigator777
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Who would have guessed that mid-World War I tactics would be used in 2022? belay
    Trench artillery war.
    Moving 200m a day is a serious success.

    And how much they took Mosul, more than six months, all the power of the United States + allies fiddled with the barmaley for so long, so there’s no need for about 200 meters a day ...

    So this is despite the fact that no one paid attention to the victims of the population there.
  17. +2
    15 August 2022 16: 55
    Artillery does not care who is in the fortified area - a Terbatovets, an experienced VSUshnik or a hardened Natsik boar. The main thing is the exact arrival.
  18. -1
    15 August 2022 16: 55
    Abramovich is good for everyone else is bad. Everything is as usual. And not one blow to Zelensky and his entourage. Well, what are the conclusions?
  19. +2
    15 August 2022 16: 59
    Our army advances when enemy firing points are destroyed or suppressed....
    The difference who at that moment was in the trench from the "other side": salabon, "grandfather", personnel or mercenary - is not too big ....
    This is all the spread of "ukromry": they say, somewhere in the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine they are secretly creating a "reserve army" with trained people and NATO weapons, and they throw one "meat" on the front end ....
    But "later" this "secret army" how to attack, how to drive the rusachki into the Russian - uuuuuuu!!!...
  20. +3
    15 August 2022 17: 04
    Maybe not intricate, but nevertheless, the 2nd army of the world has been fighting with a creak against such tactics for half a year.
    1. 0
      15 August 2022 17: 23
      Why co-creak? Maybe we're stretching the fun..
  21. +1
    15 August 2022 17: 38
    It's time to rename the national baht in a fine. bahts!
  22. +1
    15 August 2022 17: 43
    Quote: Murmur 55
    So, in my opinion, something similar was still in the ranks of Alexander the Great (if I'm not mistaken) there, too, in the first rank, fresh "meat" in the second is a bit more experienced, and the "oldest" and most experienced are behind, if the first ranks are crushed or those draped experienced ones enter + the enemy on the first ranks will get a little tired, here is the same parsley.

    And with Napoleon and Genghis Khan, the guards were the last to enter the battle. This was not always necessary.
    1. +2
      15 August 2022 19: 36
      But just the same, when building a phalanx, the most experienced warriors with the best equipment stood in the forefront. Because they didn’t know complex maneuvers then, and the phalanx basically always cut wall to wall with a similar formation, this was justified. The reverse approach guaranteed a breakthrough of the phalanx line. And given the peculiarities of the construction, it is impossible to assemble the broken phalanx again.
  23. +2
    15 August 2022 18: 33
    Another consumable.
  24. +1
    15 August 2022 18: 42
    They are correctly "mobilized". It's something special.
  25. +2
    15 August 2022 18: 49
    It is necessary by all possible means to convey to potential recruits what awaits them. That behind their backs, experienced people will hide, and they are consumables ... To hide as soon as they can. Or they kirdyk ...
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  27. 0
    15 August 2022 20: 58
    Are there no other options but to storm the fortified areas? I remember that at the beginning of the NWO, Putin said something like that we started it in order to avoid a head-on collision in the Donbass. It turns out that they wanted to leave from what they came to. Or is it self-employment? And the main blow will be dealt elsewhere?
  28. +3
    15 August 2022 21: 33
    There is a video of Ukrainian cemeteries. They are suffering horrendous losses.
  29. -1
    16 August 2022 05: 00
    A reasonable question arises in this case, which is more correct? When poorly trained militias die en masse, as Ukraine does, or when professional officers-commanders die at the forefront, in the positions of factory committees of the Fleet, for example, like ours? It seems to me that in this scenario, Ukraine is doing everything right .. - it retrains and trains professionals for the defense of Kyiv and Western Ukraine .. and they don’t feel sorry for mobilized meat .. - it’s just a shock absorber .., And, no matter what they say, judging by practically marking time, this tactic works. Where are all the uryakls who "three days before Paris" were going to reach? Something I can’t hear you .. And neither the Iskanders, nor the other Khibins and Suns are very helpful in the rapid advance to the West ....
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 05: 30
      Quote: Dikson
      A reasonable question arises in this case, which is more correct? When poorly trained militias die en masse, as Ukraine does, or when professional officers-commanders die at the forefront, in the positions of factory committees of the Fleet, for example, like ours?

      Stupid question. Senior officers died on both sides, this is just an accident, this, excuse me, is a database.

      There is no point in answering further, IMHO.

      Quote: Dikson
      Ukraine is doing everything right .. - it retrains and prepares professionals for the defense of Kyiv and Western Ukraine ..

      In the fall, chickens are considered to be pre-prepared there. BUT arte doesn't care who to chop - pros or "meat". Unless the pros are somewhat more stable under fire.

      Quote: Dikson
      And no matter what they say, judging by the practically marking time, such tactics work. Where are all the uryakls who "three days before Paris" were going to reach? I can’t hear you for some reason .. And neither the Iskanders, nor the other Khibiny and Solntsepyok are not very helpful in the rapid advance to the West ...

      Chet-with bacon breathed ... rancid negative
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 07: 59
        "Three-with bacon breathed ... rancid negative." - maybe socks should be changed? ))) An accident is the death of one commanding officer .. And when there are several such episodes, this is called a trend ..
        1. -1
          16 August 2022 08: 07
          Quote: Dikson
          An accident is the death of one officer of the command staff .. And when there are several such episodes, this is called a trend ..

          Nope. This is called war. Remind me how officers were knocked out in WWII?

          Quote: Dikson
          maybe you should change your socks?

          Yes, change.
          1. 0
            16 August 2022 08: 12
            "Yes, change." .... Lieutenant, do you change your socks? -Yes! But only for vodka!
            1. -1
              16 August 2022 08: 23
              Good anecdote. Old.

              Well, at least change to vodka laughing Yes stop
  30. 0
    16 August 2022 09: 19
    To be honest, the tactics of the work of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shows that they are playing with Ukraine. Because with such demographic losses, the country will not win in any case
  31. 0
    16 August 2022 09: 20
    Quote: Trapp1st
    To die for ukroreich is their choice. Do not give up - let them die.
    Not volunteers, but mobilized. They landed on the front line, a shell flew in and that's it, no one will offer to surrender.


    So back in March they were offered to surrender
  32. 0
    16 August 2022 11: 05
    Nicely. Destroy potential citizens of the Russian Federation instead of destroying the leadership of the ukroreikh. There are no words.
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 11: 13
      Quote: aleks700
      Destroy potential citizens of the Russian Federation instead of destroying the leadership of the ukroreich

      There is an opinion that from a fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who took up arms and did not lay it down at the first opportunity, a citizen of the Russian Federation is like a sieve from a dog's tail.
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 14: 30
        Is there a possibility? This time.
        Two. Destroy the leadership of Ukraine. And there is no need to weave about decision-making centers in fashinkton.
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 15: 36
          Quote: aleks700
          Is there a possibility?

          But no - it was necessary to molt earlier ...

          Quote: aleks700
          Two. Destroy the leadership of Ukraine

          And what about yourself, weakly? No, they put it on their own - they themselves and that ... shoot ...

          Quote: aleks700
          And no need to weave about decision-making centers in fashionton

          My friend, your leaders were bought through and through by the States ... this is a "medical fact".
          1. 0
            17 August 2022 15: 44
            [/ quote] Buddy, your leaders were bought through and through by the States ... this is a "medical fact". [quote]

            Putin bought with giblets? Well, perhaps you are right.