Western "collective Goebbels" against Russia

Western resources, including major media, decided to immerse their readers in the topic of the so-called "decolonization of Russia." Allegedly, Russia remains "the largest colonial power on the planet" and allegedly "subjugates hundreds of peoples and nationalities."

The old Russophobic mantra that the Yakuts, Chechens, Jews, Koryaks, Chuvashs, Tatars, Avars and other peoples of Russia are allegedly languishing under “Russian oppression” is in action. And now, if these peoples "gained independence", they would immediately begin to eat and drink exclusively from gold dishes, becoming democracies from democracies.

Moreover, all these nonsense are frank and 100% tracing paper with the Goebbels dogmas of the 1940s of the last century. Nazi Germany actively fueled separatism, of course, without even intending to give some kind of independence to the peoples living in the USSR. All this propaganda was needed for only one thing: to weaken the Soviet Union with the help of separatism, to achieve victory over the Soviet people.

80 years have passed, but fundamentally nothing has changed in this regard. Unless, instead of a specific Goebbels, a sort of collective Goebbels appeared. These are all kinds of puppets of Western intelligence services that paint a picture of the “free peoples of Russia” with the very goal of destroying Russia.

The reasoning of Mikhail Leontiev in the program "However" on Channel One:

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[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Russia is an imperial-type state, and this is good, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, we absorbed the culture of others, and did not destroy it

[nonsense]

"absorbed"? Well, except that they "absorbed" the culinary culture - kebabs, pilaf, chak-chak ... There was nothing more to "absorb" ...

[dmi.pris1]

They absorbed them ... Yes, they were mostly taught to culture. Schools, clubs, libraries. Books in national languages. I’m not talking about industry. Now they are trying to present it as violence. And the bad thing is that the more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe in it.

[nonsense]

Quote: dmi.pris

Yes, for the most part they were accustomed to culture. Schools, clubs, libraries. Books in national languages. I’m not talking about industry.

translating into Russian - they spent their resources to their own detriment. Although there were no "us" ... Everyone at the trough (C) of the "imperial-type state" rubbed through life and made decisions ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: nespich

translating into Russian - they spent their resources to their own detriment.

It happened in the USSR. But in general, the process of incorporating other peoples into the state began centuries before the USSR
And the Russian Empire set an example, unheard of for other powers. In our country, a foreigner (Bashkir, Tatar, etc.), even of a different faith, was endowed with equal civil rights with the "titular nation". Can you imagine the equalization of the rights of an Englishman and a Hindu in those years? A white American with a black one, or a red one?

[filibuster]

And the Russian Empire set an example, unheard of for other powers. In our country, a foreigner (Bashkir, Tatar, etc.), even of a different faith, was endowed with equal civil rights with the "titular nation".

In the Russian Empire, the “titular nation” was the most oppressed part of the Empire, and indeed, serfdom also often did not extend to the annexed new territories. This is the difference from the same British Empire, in the Russian Empire the entire burden of social oppression lay not on the conquered peoples, but directly on those thanks to whom these conquests were made.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from: filibuster

In the Russian Empire, the “titular nation” was the most oppressed part of the Empire, and indeed, serfdom, too, often did not extend to the annexed new territories.

How to say? Situations when the annexed peoples lived better than the titular nation, I confess, I do not remember. Maybe remind?
And so, yes, serfdom spread, of course. If the bulk of the population had few rights, then it extended to others. But in this respect they lived no worse than the Russians.

Quote from: filibuster

This is the difference from the same British Empire, in the Russian Empire the entire burden of social oppression lay not on the conquered peoples, but directly on those thanks to whom these conquests were made.

With this I can hardly agree.
There are quite reasonable explanations for the fact that the Russian Empire took the path of the industrial revolution very late. And the position of the peasant before similar events in the same England did not differ much from the Russian serf.

[filibuster]

How to say? Situations when the annexed peoples lived better than the titular nation, I confess, I do not remember. Maybe remind?

The Caucasus, Finland, Bashkiria, etc., serfdom did not extend to these territories.

There are quite reasonable explanations for the fact that the Russian Empire took the path of the industrial revolution very late.

Of course, there is a reasonable explanation in the form of the monarchy and the nobility, which hampered the development of the country. And the position of the peasant in the British Empire in the 1800s was noticeably better than that of the peasant from central Russia.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from: filibuster

The Caucasus, Finland, Bashkiria, etc., serfdom did not extend to these territories.

In Bashkiria and the Caucasus, serfdom quite took place, another question is that the same Caucasus was "on the outskirts" and where the Russian Empire preferred to have "free farmers" in the person of the Cossacks, therefore it was not widely represented in the Caucasus. But even without formal serfdom, the dependence of the peasants on the aristocracy took place and in general there were few differences - the same uprising in Megrelia in 1857 is an example of this
But with Finland you are right.

Quote from: filibuster

Of course, there is a reasonable explanation in the form of the monarchy and the nobility, which hampered the development of the country.

The monarchy has nothing to do with it - Great Britain is also a monarchy. But the nobility, yes, indeed, was the very brake.

Quote from: filibuster

And the position of the peasant in the British Empire in the 1800s was noticeably better than that of the peasant from central Russia.

Yes, how to say ... After the completion of the industrial revolution - yes. But in the process that went on at the beginning of the 18th, it was not better for sure.

[Senior seaman]

Quote from: filibuster

... Finland ... and so on, serfdom did not extend to these territories.

As well as in the Arkhangelsk Empire and Siberia.
In addition, the VKF, whatever one may say, was not part of the empire. It was a separate non-sovereign state united with Russia by the presence of a common monarch. It had its own Senate, its own laws, its own currency, its own economy...
In general, the Republic of Ingushetia was a class monarchy and the rights there were distributed according to classes. And the rights of the nobles were about the same, just like the duties of the subject estates.
But there were also differences. For example, serfdom in the Ostezeya provinces was abolished earlier than in Russia. But in Georgia later.
So everything is relative.

Quote from: filibuster

And the position of the peasant in the British Empire

Excuse me, where is this?
Because actually in England or Scotland is one thing. Ireland is completely different. But in the British colonies, slavery was abolished only in 1833.
And again, "the situation is better" than? The fact that the Russian peasant had his own hut and put on, and the English was forced to rent it all?

[nonsense]

Quote from: filibuster

The Caucasus, Finland, Bashkiria, etc., serfdom did not extend to these territories.

It's all nonsense. It is much worse that in the territories included in Russia, the local (aboriginal) nobility received all the rights of the Russian nobility (ruling class). Although in my mind, this nobility should have been simply cut out without exception. Purely for reasons of common sense. Poles, Cossacks, Bashkirs, Georgians, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Buryats, .... Nobles from among them simply should not have existed in nature after joining Russia.
PS: with the Tatars, it’s true, it’s difficult ...

[Kronos]

No, they were not endowed, there were restrictions for those who did not accept Orthodoxy.

[dmitry_2]

What kind of stupid propaganda is this? Yakut diamonds, Turkmen gas, Azerbaijani oil, etc. What they spent was more than compensated. And "we" were

[tatarin1972]

I remember some "skakuas" in the late eighties also believed that they were feeding the entire USSR. And without them, everyone else would starve to death. The result is known to you, I hope?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: nespich

wasting their resources to their own detriment

with such idiotic slogans in the late 80s they let the Great Country go under the knife

[nonsense]

slogans do not destroy states. And the resources that are allocated for destruction and the resources that are allocated to counteract this process. And who manages these resources...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

without an Idea ANY money is nothing

[nonsense]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

without an Idea ANY money is nothing

IMHO the opposite! Without the resources that are thrown at pushing the idea "to the masses", any idea is just zilch ...
PS: and resources are not the same as money ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

money is always needed until communism comes

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: nespich

translating into Russian - they spent their resources to their own detriment.

What is the value of the Semipalatinsk test site, Baikonur, Vozrozhdeniye Island, Kazakh copper, Uzbek cotton, Azerbaijani oil and much more?

[zenion]

How much do you value the land of Mexico, which the United States seized?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in elderberry garden
why should i rate the US benefit?

[Azis]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

What is the value of the Semipalatinsk test site, Baikonur, Vozrozhdeniye Island, Kazakh copper, Uzbek cotton, Azerbaijani oil and much more?

In explored and developed deposits, industrial enterprises, education, all this in a single country ... Or is it something else?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and Saudi Arabian oil, Australian uranium and South African diamonds will help you a lot?!!!

[Kronos]

It was all in the USSR, the Russian empire, which equals power, was no different from other empires.

[Emergency]

And where do these conclusions come from? For your post, Mark Twain’s saying “Better to remain silent and seem like a fool than to speak and dispel all doubts” is perfect.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: nespich

kebabs, pilaf, chak-chak ... There was nothing more to "absorb" ...

do not write nonsense and you will be happy

[stankow]

Gazmatov, Magomaev, Okudzhava, Garipova + thousands

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Russia is an imperial-type state, and this is good, unlike the Anglo-Saxons, we absorbed the culture of others, and did not destroy it

And what did they do in China and India ....

[BlasdeLezo]

Imperio Romano, el español y el Ruso han sido los 3 movimientos humanistas más importantes de la historia. Los 3 han tenido en contra a las fuerzas anglosajonas. Acabaron con Roma y España con la propaganda como arma tan importante como los cañones. Espero que Russia pueda resistir

[rocket757]

Western "collective Goebbels" against Russia

. For them, all methods are good, any abominations are acceptable, when they want to achieve their goals ...
What is our answer....

[nonsense]

and we don't have an answer. There is no ideology - that means we are sitting "at the bucket" and silent in a rag.
IMHO, of course, but the only ideology that is able to resist the ideology of the West is socialism / communism. They are still afraid of this ideology. Get panicky and hysterical
with the mere mention of communism.
And now, moving "in the wake" of Western ideology, we have no chance of winning. Another generation, i.e. 20 years and the collapse will come ...

[rocket757]

Suppose a place where to sit, everyone chooses YOURSELF ...
At the expense of ideology, the question is complex, which requires a correct and understandable solution, no ersatz will do us any good.

[sabakina]

nespech (Dmitry), but was there an ideology in tsarist Russia? We were not loved even under Alexander Nevsky ...

[Phil77]

Quote: sabakina

Alexander Nevsky...

There is a difference. When they don’t like taxpayers for money. Leontiev? Where do the kids live? Ernst? Do they teach us about life?

[nnm]

This is the problem of the formation of ideology: people who live in a completely different universe are trying to teach us how to live. With palaces, yachts, accounts in Switzerland and so on.
The conditional Stalin, with all his fullness of power, did not even allow himself such a thing. Both sons fought, he was buried in an old overcoat. And these people live as if one goal is to finish off the country.

[stankow]

Three sons were with Stalin. Adopted Artem also fought, lieutenant colonel, two severe wounds!

[Andrei]

What difference does it make where someone lives! The same Ernst or Leontiev are all on the Sanctions lists, the main thing is that he speaks his mind!

[Boycott]

and in tsarist Russia there was an ideology?

For God, Tsar and Fatherland - a typical ideology. But the presence or absence of it is not the reason for the love or hatred of the West, but the basis on which we stand against its hatred. No base - nothing to rely on.

[BlasdeLezo]

Le aconsejo un libro Imperiofobia y Leyenda Negra de María Elvira Roca Barea

[nonsense]

2 sabakinas
What are we, girls or what, to love us? (who was ever "loved" at all?) But tsarist Russia, with its miserable ideology, simply took it and fell apart ...

[man]

IMHO, of course, but the only ideology that is able to resist the ideology of the West is socialism / communism. They are still afraid of this ideology. Get panicky and hysterical
with the mere mention of communism.
I absolutely agree with this. But you seem to have forgotten that internationalism is an indispensable component of this ideology.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: nespich

..... the only ideology, ..... is socialism / communism. They are still afraid of this ideology. They fall into panic and hysteria at the mere mention of communism. .....

Only after all, our upper ones are also afraid. And this way and that they dodge, so as not to say that Russia, we are all still alive at the expense of the SOVIET legacy

[The leader of the Redskins]

So here it is, our answer - forever burying America and dollars M. Leontiev, whom colleagues in the shop cannot even convict of sobriety.

[rocket757]

No, not that option, not interesting.

[Cottodraton]

"Our"? Are you with us or with "us"

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, in September it will be six years since here. Do not take it for hazing, but the test of time, probably went. Wrote over thirty articles. With many commentators on "you".
So, definitely not with you.

[Cottodraton]

And you are also very modest, like Brezhnev. Hang yourself with regalia and put on glasses. According to one advertisement, the glasses increase the external iq by 15 points!

[Phil77]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Leontiev

The first channel? Well, well. Is this the one where Ernst, like the main one?

[Nexcom]

a very accurate name - the collective western Goebbels. the essence is captured very accurately.

[Digital error]

Reasoning by Mikhail Leontiev

The same Leontiev who proposed to deprive young people of voting rights? -

Because youth is a painful state that passes with age.

Well, him to the bathhouse, Leontiev this, along with any of his reasoning

[sabakina]

Like it or not, we are losing the information war. I looked at what they were saying at "1 + 1" about the Zaporizhzhya NPP, the ears themselves curled up into a tube.

[Phil77]

Quote: sabakina

We are losing the information war. Looked at what they were saying

And when did we win it? Only in hockey. take it for granted!

[Phil77]

Quote: sabakina

information war

Thank you, buddy! Sorry, but even jeans... hmmm.

[ivan2022]

West? I guess that in our country the main opus of the German Fuhrer was banned not because its cunning Western content is dangerous for the fragile minds of Russians.

But because there are assessments of Bolshevism as a terrible force that destroys the poor Russian people. 3 million every 30 years.

Ba...! Yes, this is one - in - one of our native patriotic propaganda, which our television broadcasts day and night.

For example, the terribly patriotic channel Spas. Concerned about the Christian salvation of our souls. Or our Nobel patriotic writer, who in the early 90s wrote "How do we equip Russia."

There is only one difference. Russian "patriots" are limited to this, and Hitler and Goebbels make the logical conclusion that: such a naive people needs the leadership of more developed European nations. Because he is not able to create his own full-fledged statehood, which would not destroy him.

Well, how can you publish something like this in modern Russia?

[Emergency]

Clearly they are bastards. It is clear that the "civilized" methods of Nazi Germany have always been kept in service both in the methods of warfare and in propaganda. So what to do? Buy media representatives. The "Goebbels of 'democracy'" do not work for an idea, because they have no ideology, but they have needs. Do not spend a lot of time on excuses, but attack. Are they lying? Reply with more subtle lies. Restore the state structures of propaganda, kick out the "common people" teachers from the universities, who clog the heads of the students-journalists with anti-Russian rubbish, shake up the TV. Generally wake up. There are no universal, there are national interests.

[nnm]

Quote: Emergency

Restore government propaganda structures

And who will shape this policy, may I ask?
Solovyov? Or some official thinking about how to block vpn so that no one reads about his yachts?

[Roust]

We are arrows in a quiver. When we're together we can't be broken.

[Scientist]

So it is necessary at the state level to poke the West into their bloody past (and the present), and not just be indignant. And do it continuously so that the most stupid people get it. And our past is not only about the "bloody NKVD", but the real story, not embarrassed to talk about achievements. Including different nations.
By the way, a few years ago, in a dispute with a Latvian, I decided to see how the USSR "destroyed" the Latvian people. During the stay in the USSR, the number of Latvians increased by 9% (not residents of the republic, namely Latvians). This is taking into account the repressions and the war with the "forest brothers". And for a shorter period of "free" Latvia - decreased by 13%. These are the "colonizers".

[Gardamir]

Remember Goebbels. And the anti-Soviet non-stop pouring mud on the Union, not one field of berries? Anti-Soviet people love the fascist Ilyin, who rejoiced at the Nazi invasion of the Union.

[Igor_Aretano]

He wasn't happy.

[Igor_Aretano]

There are still people who survived the collapse of the USSR and the "parade of sovereignties" in the Russian Federation. And they told their children and grandchildren about their impressions. I don’t think that that old version will fail the enemies a second time. Well, thanks to the West too: after the start of the NWO, he showed his face to the Russians, and showed how he treats them: from sanctions to visas.

[Mitia68]

Leontiev has always been distinguished by a sober view of things.

[Dizel200]

Is it possible that after so many years we cannot find an antidote for this poison? We all make excuses, we try to prove something to someone.

[Alex D_2]

I once believed in this nonsense. In fact, what the West is doing is pure Goebbelsism. They have freedom only for European peoples, among which they do not include the peoples of Russia and conditionally include Slavs such as Poles and Bulgarians, whom they are always ready to exchange. Russians in the West are held for such white blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians.

[place]

Quote: Alex D_2

I once believed in this nonsense. In fact, what the West is doing is pure Goebbelsism. They have freedom only for European peoples, among which they do not include the peoples of Russia and conditionally include Slavs such as Poles and Bulgarians, whom they are always ready to exchange. Russians in the West are held for such white blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians.

Russia from 2018 to 2020 fell in the international ranking of living standards from 56th to 67th place by 11 points. Ukraine took 65th place, and Russia - 67th. Colombia - 61st place. Estonia and Germany - 10th and 9th places.......Well, who should they keep us for? Especially if you compare the natural resources of Germany or even Colombia with ours ....

As Russian folk wisdom says: "we got into the shit, and there is nothing to tweet."

[iouris]

What kind of propaganda Goebbels and Nazism? It was possible to place a caricature of Kukryniksy. But the intention is different.