In Ukraine, a 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun was installed on an MT-LB tractor

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The lack of military equipment and weapons, constantly knocked out by the Russian army, forces the Ukrainian military to resort to tricks and literally make various handicraft artillery installations on their knees. According to the Ukrainian press, craftsmen in the Donbass installed an MT-12 Rapira anti-tank gun on an MT-LB tractor.

Four servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reportedly working on a new self-propelled artillery installation for a month. During this time, the MTLB tractor acquired a 100-mm anti-tank gun MT-12 "Rapira" mounted on armor and two frames designed to ensure the stability of the makeshift installation during a shot.



Mounting the gun on a tractor is said to "significantly reduce the deployment time" of the gun on the front line compared to a towed version. At the same time, it is emphasized that the tractor can also tow an additional tool. The "developers" of the design reported that the main task was to achieve a reliable fastening of the gun so that it would not be torn off when fired.

It will be more effective while working at a firing position, it will take much less time

- said one of the "designers".

The MT-100 12 mm anti-tank gun (ind. GRAU - 2A29, in some sources referred to as "Rapier") is a towed anti-tank gun developed in the late 1960s in the USSR. Serial production began in the 1970s.

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    1. +21
      14 August 2022 12: 59
      Need for inventions is cunning! Time will tell how this design performs.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 13: 10
        Quote: Sergio_7
        Need for inventions is cunning! Time will tell how this design performs.

        Everyone hopes that long-range Russia can be defeated?
        Naive evidence, your roof of the State Department will destroy you completely ..
        All these shelling of the cities of Donbass and especially nuclear power plants angers our people even more and convinces us that we need to go to the end ..
        With fascist Europe, we have already encountered. But the Anglo-Saxons were in the shadows .. And now the masks have been dropped and terry Russophobia has manifested itself in all its glory .. Let's get wet !!! negative And Russia has enough resources, and most importantly, morale
        1. -7
          14 August 2022 14: 17
          Do you work at the headquarters? Amazing awareness
          1. +17
            14 August 2022 14: 30
            Since you have to run back from the cannon to fire, and it’s located so high - you can see it far away, then this machine is not for maneuverable combat, and not against moving targets.
            This is a machine for artillery strikes on positions. He arrived, fired and quickly s .. dangled from there.
            But on the other hand, four fighters were able to avoid the front for a whole month.
            1. +11
              14 August 2022 14: 33
              He arrived, fired and quickly s .. dangled from there.

              This is exactly what is needed in modern warfare. Whatever the chassis is, but this is a self-propelled gun. She will be able to get away from return fire. Unlike towed guns.
              1. +5
                14 August 2022 14: 39
                Quote: UAZ 452
                He arrived, fired and quickly s .. dangled from there.

                This is exactly what is needed in modern warfare. Whatever the chassis is, but this is a self-propelled gun. She will be able to get away from return fire. Unlike towed guns.

                This is yes.
                But initially it was a gun against tanks. It has a maximum elevation angle of 20 degrees. As a result, the maximum range is 8 km. Given the high location of the gun - in direct line of sight of the target.
                It is unlikely that they were able to increase the elevation angle. As a result, the calculation will die quickly.
                1. +4
                  14 August 2022 14: 47
                  And yet not as fast and useless as the calculations of towed guns.
                  1. +6
                    14 August 2022 15: 15
                    Quote: UAZ 452
                    And yet not as fast and useless as the calculations of towed guns.

                    Nevertheless, the Americans are actively promoting their towed M777 ... So it should be clarified that it is not as useless as a towed gun that hits with a direct shell.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2022 19: 48
                      M777 will also be in the role of targets in a collision with an enemy that has an effective counter-battery system. Unfortunately, we are not such an opponent.
                      1. -1
                        19 August 2022 14: 56
                        Why are we not?
                        Or do we not have CBB systems?
                  2. -1
                    15 August 2022 11: 47
                    Yes ... in the Second World War, both ours and the Germans did not disdain this either.
                    1. 0
                      19 August 2022 13: 23
                      Exactly. I was about to say the same. Old weapons never die.
                2. +5
                  14 August 2022 14: 59
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  As a result, the calculation will die quickly.

                  Basically, I don't mind. request
                3. +1
                  14 August 2022 20: 58
                  From the increase in mass, it will be more accurate to shoot! But 8 mm armor will burst from the strong recoil of this jumping gun!
            2. +5
              14 August 2022 14: 58
              Quote: Shurik70
              He arrived, fired and quickly s .. dangled from there.

              I looked around. lol
              What is the effectiveness of the "Rapier" with this mode of action?
            3. +3
              14 August 2022 15: 00
              Quote: Shurik70
              But on the other hand, four fighters were able to avoid the front for a whole month.

              In vain you are so, it's a shame, they tried, but what happened, not a tulip, of course, but a frail prop. It will shoot, but how much is clear and so. Chassis in the trash, but a report of victory, a mosquito nose. recourse Mom promised to confirm that everything is brilliant. Oh, still pennies, at least to Poland. request
              1. +2
                14 August 2022 15: 45
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Oh, still pennies, at least to Poland.

                1. +1
                  14 August 2022 16: 05
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  Oh, still pennies, at least to Poland.

                  Xoxlov of "military age" are being extradited from Poland back to Ukraine.
                  So, from Poland it is necessary to run further, to Germany.
            4. 0
              14 August 2022 20: 21
              have to run away from the gun to shoot

              This is a common practice for any test of artillery weapons.
            5. 0
              15 August 2022 14: 24
              Quote: Shurik70
              But on the other hand, four fighters were able to avoid the front for a whole month.

              This is basic. And so - this is the "home version" of the BMP-3.
          2. -1
            14 August 2022 15: 56
            Quote: Clever man
            Do you work at the headquarters? Amazing awareness

            hehe No, of course, but I can analyze .. I understood your malice perfectly wink
        2. +6
          14 August 2022 14: 35
          The other day, on RTR, they showed the use of the MT-12 by the forces of the RF Ministry of Defense and said that this is a miracle weapon, or do they have others, more rapier?
        3. -17
          14 August 2022 15: 03
          Remind me who left Kyiv and whose roof is leaking after that?
          1. +12
            14 August 2022 15: 17
            Remind me who didn't surrender Mariupol, Popasnaya, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, <the list will grow>?
            1. -22
              14 August 2022 15: 37
              The tactical successes of the first days, when the rusty army of Bandera Ukraine did not understand that it was opposed by the managerially effective army of Vlasov Russia. This is only the DPR LPR before the battle for the Dnieper as before the moon. There will be a teaspoon of 100 years ... But was it necessary?
            2. -1
              14 August 2022 15: 59
              Quote: Albert1988
              Remind me who didn't surrender Mariupol, Popasnaya, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, <the list will grow>?

              Great answer Eugene!!!! good
              1. -10
                14 August 2022 16: 40
                This is a list of the lost in 2014....
          2. -1
            14 August 2022 17: 23
            Quote: ss29
            Remind me who left Kyiv and whose roof is leaking after that?

            Are you hinting at Zelensky? This is not patriotic! Know your six.
          3. -1
            15 August 2022 11: 51
            Quote: ss29
            Remind me who left Kyiv and whose roof is leaking after that?

            Mariupol tse Ukraine, Lisichansk tse Ukraine ... what else do you have on the list lol
            1. -3
              16 August 2022 14: 36
              Tse of the USSR and the Russian Federation is her successor, and you have tricky moves further down the list .... Negotiations involving Abramovich, for example?
              1. -1
                16 August 2022 16: 05
                Who has me? I have everything in a bunch Mariupol, our Lisichansk, also ours, and so on. But you have ... there are rumors that you are building a fortification near Kyiv?
                1. -3
                  16 August 2022 21: 55
                  Why, after all, there is always a gesture of goodwill and negotiations in reserve ..... And what does control over Mariupol and Lisichansk give in strategic terms, control over the Sea of ​​\u2014b\u100bAzov? You somehow don’t see X ..... Kharkiv, which stands at the very border and from where the DRG will enter and y points will fly. Fortifications need to be dug at the border, and start after the drain in XNUMX. The guys were beaten more than in Afghanistan, Donetsk is bombed every day on schedule, explosions in the Crimea, and they all took the XNUMXth Lisichansk from the Putinites. Lisichansk is an analogue of Michurinsk, can you find it on the map?
                  1. -1
                    17 August 2022 07: 29
                    Why ... well, if you are digging, then there is a reason. As for Kharkov, it will be his turn. And about the water of Lisichansk and Mariupol, it was your propagandists who trumpeted them not with us.
                    1. -4
                      17 August 2022 20: 17
                      On the first channel, the circus will tell something else from the first day of the war: air defense and air force are disabled, the front is held by detachments, there are traces of nuclear weapons everywhere, secret laboratories, smallpox in Africa from Ukraine and the traditional Su 25 again (more poor fellows from 31 have already been shot down 100).... Now, apparently, the Ukrainians are digging fortifications in Kyiv and there are very few left.... And they are shelling Kursk and Belgorod. Schizophrenia.
                      1. -1
                        17 August 2022 21: 03
                        Why watch TV ... all this is on dill publics.
      2. +13
        14 August 2022 13: 10
        I don’t think that a motorcycle league is a suitable chassis for such a rather powerful gun ..
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 13: 37
          Quote: paul3390
          I don’t think that a motorcycle league is a suitable chassis for such a rather powerful gun ..

          I agree that the BTR-50 would be better suited for this.
          1. +1
            15 August 2022 05: 58
            As it appeared in the 12th century, a cannon, on which they didn’t put it! And they hung donkeys and horses on the backs. And then there's the truck!
        2. +6
          14 August 2022 13: 46
          the Ukrainians guessed about it and when they fired, they run away away ... You never know! winked
        3. 0
          15 August 2022 11: 15
          Quote: paul3390
          I don’t think that a motorcycle league is a suitable chassis for such a rather powerful gun ..

          You should not think so: 2S1 "Carnation" 122 mm, also a motorcycle ski chassis.
          1. +1
            15 August 2022 12: 15
            You think so in vain - 2С1 on the BASE of the motorcycle league chassis ... A couple more rollers have been added and the chassis itself has been considerably strengthened.
            1. 0
              15 August 2022 14: 13
              Quote: paul3390
              You think so in vain - 2С1 on the BASE of the motorcycle league chassis ... A couple more rollers have been added and the chassis itself has been considerably strengthened.

              I’ll clarify a little - the MTLB-U base.
      3. +3
        14 August 2022 13: 17
        Quote: Sergio_7
        Goal for fiction is cunning!

        Come on! Another shushranter. wassat
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 15: 09
          And this is our ZIS 2, it seems on an artillery tractor. Anti-tank self-propelled guns ..
          1. +2
            14 August 2022 17: 17
            Quote: dmi.pris
            And this is our ZIS 2, it seems on an artillery tractor. Anti-tank self-propelled guns ..

            That's what I'm saying - there's nothing new under the sun. What is the win? request
          2. 0
            14 August 2022 17: 30
            Quote: dmi.pris
            And this is our ZIS 2, it seems on an artillery tractor. Anti-tank self-propelled guns ..

            Yes, but that's also bullshit. As I see it, I hope you do too. feelTo charge it is still hemorrhoids, and when you transfer the barrel to a horizontal position, this is also + somersault. request
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 00: 27
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Yes, but that's also bullshit.

              Exactly. A product stillborn from hopelessness. Such a situation was, what, there ... request And the Ukronats are now in the same trouble. They do not have the Urals and Siberia to push off from them for a counterattack, but they have the help of the Free World, I hope we will soon see how effective this help is.
        2. 0
          15 August 2022 11: 53
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Come on! Another shushrantzer

          And how many Germans riveted such ...
      4. +11
        14 August 2022 13: 39
        Quote: Sergio_7
        Goal for fiction is cunning!

        "four servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine worked on a new self-propelled artillery mount for a month" you need to know how to mow it from the front
        1. +11
          14 August 2022 13: 55
          This self-propelled gun is only suitable for firing in the "that direction"; it is unsuitable for fighting moving targets; in the video, the servants scatter before each shot. The rate of fire with the original fell three times.
        2. +2
          14 August 2022 14: 04
          Quote: poquello
          you need to be able to - so mow from the front

          Plus, they will also get something for "ratsuhu". I don’t know if the Ukrokazna pays for rationalization proposals.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 17: 20
            Quote: Piramidon
            Plus, they will also get something for "ratsuhu". I don’t know if the Ukrokazna pays for rationalization proposals.

            This should be asked from the "designers-innovators" of this:
      5. +2
        14 August 2022 13: 49
        I wonder if it will blow you off the shoulder strap when fired at direct fire.
        1. +9
          14 August 2022 14: 09
          Quote: Alexander Salenko
          I wonder if it will blow you off the shoulder strap when fired at direct fire.

          It depends on the qualifications of the welder who welded the Rapier to the motorcycle league. laughing
      6. 0
        14 August 2022 15: 09
        Why time? German alterations, during WWII, showed themselves very well, compared to normal self-propelled guns?
      7. +1
        14 August 2022 21: 48
        Motolibe Khan, she will not withstand the recoil.
      8. +1
        14 August 2022 22: 41
        Crooked lead ...
        A powerful weapon was shoved onto a weak chassis and they hope to get a wunderwaffe as a result.
        Well, so, they nicely mowed down a month from the front in the hope that they would not have time ...
        1. -1
          15 August 2022 12: 00
          Our "Carnation" on the basis of the "moto-league" is made and nothing.
          1. +2
            15 August 2022 12: 38
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            Our "Carnation" on the basis of the "moto-league" is made and nothing.

            Our Carnation is designed in KB, calculations are made, tests are carried out and they are made at the factory.
            And here the handicraftsmen made devils che - hell che. Only to slop down from the front ....
            If they had given them another month and a tank, instead of the Rapier, they would have welded a tank on top of the MTLB ... business, then ....
            And they would give out a new wunderwaffe ....

            and even better, an airplane, so that it takes off rrrraz and on any mud without concrete ...

            Damn, I wrote in vain - they will steal the idea ...
            1. 0
              15 August 2022 12: 58
              Quote: your1970
              an airplane is even better - so that it takes off rrrraz and on any mud without concrete ...

              Damn, I wrote in vain - they will steal the idea ...

              And what to steal ... there is already one. "Corn" laughing
    2. +6
      14 August 2022 13: 02
      poor motorbike... will rip her to hell
    3. +9
      14 August 2022 13: 04
      What they don’t do with "galoshes from the USSR" .....
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 17: 22
        Quote: Raccoon
        What they don’t do with "galoshes from the USSR" .....

        Which speaks of the outstanding reliability of the product!
    4. +6
      14 August 2022 13: 07
      Well, in terms of mobility, yes. Comfortable. The fact that the coulters were trimmed was also done normally. Platform for loading, guidance ... no ...
    5. +27
      14 August 2022 13: 07
      In the movie "Treasure Island" the pirate carried a gun on his back, the Ukrainians are still ahead.
      1. +5
        14 August 2022 13: 36
        Quote: polpot
        In the movie "Treasure Island" the pirate carried a gun on his back, the Ukrainians are still ahead.

        H.hly just wanted to "scroll around", but a month is not enough, it was necessary to do 3-4 months, then maybe they wouldn't get to the front, although with such a pace and delay ...... but it didn’t turn out badly.
        1. +4
          14 August 2022 15: 44
          Everything in this world repeats itself. Tractors have always "beckoned" gunners ...

      2. +2
        14 August 2022 13: 38
        And Munchausen on the core!)
      3. +1
        14 August 2022 15: 10
        That he shot with her hand, burst ... laughing
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 17: 24
          Quote: dmi.pris
          That he shot with her hand, burst ... laughing

          With tape ammunition.
          I love this cartoon!
    6. IVZ
      +8
      14 August 2022 13: 08
      New "Marder" from the 2nd World War. It's a great idea for a wandering gun, and the selection of the base chassis is good, even from the point of view of saving tractors and reducing the length of the column on the march. During deployment on the firing line, the tractor gun will provide cover for the towed guns.
      1. +5
        14 August 2022 13: 28
        Quote: IVZ
        New "Marder" from the 2nd World War.

        Or Su-76. Another "naked" Ferdinand.
        1. IVZ
          +2
          14 August 2022 13: 40
          Su-76 was used mainly as an infantry support weapon. The anti-tank capabilities of the ZiS-3 were not impressive. And marders were developed and used precisely as anti-tank weapons to combat BT equipment from ambush.
          1. +5
            14 August 2022 13: 45
            Quote: IVZ
            Su-76 was used mainly as an infantry support weapon.

            Come on! Shoved into all the holes where the situation requires. The declared recommendation does not always work ... request
            1. IVZ
              +2
              14 August 2022 13: 51
              This weapon of direct support is in all holes.
              1. +1
                14 August 2022 13: 59
                Quote: IVZ
                This weapon of direct support is in all holes.

                This is what we are talking about! It’s as if the recommended ukrovuderwafel was made exclusively for destroying tanks. request
            2. +1
              14 August 2022 13: 53
              Of course, they shoved both like a tractor and like an armored personnel carrier, there the felling was stuffed with soldiers, that mother do not cry.
              1. +2
                14 August 2022 14: 03
                Quote: Alexander Salenko
                Of course, they shoved both like a tractor and like an armored personnel carrier, there the felling was stuffed with soldiers, that mother do not cry.

                Exactly! Therefore, it is not worth saying:
                Quote: IVZ
                Su-76 was used mainly as an infantry support weapon. The anti-tank capabilities of the ZiS-3 were not impressive.

                The direct support of the infantry is different ... "Bitch" is a "bitch", but evil. For Nazi sons of bitches, of course. hi
                1. +3
                  14 August 2022 14: 36
                  My respect, Vasily, I do not see the subject of the dispute hi
                  1. +3
                    14 August 2022 14: 52
                    Quote: Alexander Salenko
                    My respect, Vasily, I do not see the subject of the dispute hi

                    Well, it's not an argument. Good smart people gathered, tried to relax ... wink All the best! drinks
          2. +1
            14 August 2022 13: 52
            Even the steer worked on tanks, and even on shrapnel, while divisional cannons have much more serious shot power. Read Melnikov "The Fire of Regimental Batteries".
          3. 0
            14 August 2022 14: 08
            Quote: IVZ
            And marders were developed and used precisely as anti-tank weapons to combat BT equipment from ambush.

            The main armament of the self-propelled gun was the ZIS-3 universal divisional gun. The sub-caliber projectile of this gun at a distance of half a kilometer was able to penetrate armor up to 91 mm thick. That is, the gun could hit any place in the hull of German medium tanks, as well as the sides of the Tigers and Panthers.
            https://topwar.ru/10559-sovetskie-sau-vremen-voyny-chast-1-su-76.html
            This is called "an ambush".
        2. +9
          14 August 2022 13: 51
          I’ll ask you not to offend the Su-76, as for a light self-propelled gun it’s normal booking and Rokossovsky praised it, he knew for sure whether the car was good or not.
          1. +1
            14 August 2022 14: 05
            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            I ask you not to offend the Su-76

            None of those present are offended. hi
          2. 0
            14 August 2022 19: 16
            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            I’ll ask you not to offend the Su-76, as for a light self-propelled gun it’s normal booking and Rokossovsky praised it, he knew for sure whether the car was good or not.

            Alexander, the Su-76 is still a serial self-propelled gun - this is the time.
            The second one has completely different tasks, in contrast to the rapier on the motelag.
            At least she could fire from short stops. The Ukrainian prodigy needs to install supports. Yes, and it is intended only for anti-tank, and because of the limitations of maneuverability and the ability to fire only along the way. All this is doubtful. It’s better to adapt the old BTR-50.
    7. -13
      14 August 2022 13: 09
      All the same, the chassis from the t-64 is the best in the world
      1. +3
        14 August 2022 13: 40
        Quote: Tusv
        All the same, the chassis from the t-64 is the best in the world

        Just in time for the T-64 chassis, there have always been questions.
        However, this was admitted by the author of the tank himself - Morozov!
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 13: 53
          Removed from the tongue, complaints like a psaltery dumps.
      2. +4
        14 August 2022 13: 53
        Quote: Tusv
        All the same, the chassis from the t-64 is the best in the world

        The T-64 chassis was recognized as very capricious. Due to its novelty, complexity and heaps of original approaches. Therefore, it cannot be the best. In the USSR, any product is the best - it is simple, practical and reliable.
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 14: 38
          Quote: Gritsa
          The T-64 chassis was recognized as very capricious.

          That's why I don't ride a tank, but a lasapede
    8. +9
      14 August 2022 13: 09
      Motoliga is good, and "Rapier" is not bad. And a mixture of a bulldog and a rhinoceros can be fraught with various surprises, not always pleasant for the "bartender".
      1. +7
        14 August 2022 13: 11
        Designed to destroy tanks without ammo, moving strictly in a straight line in the direction of this halabud or standing in an open field in place, waiting for something interesting ..
        1. +5
          14 August 2022 13: 15
          They will hope for maybe this is the first. Secondly, how many shots will this structure last and how many Svidomo will it cripple when it falls apart?
          1. +2
            14 August 2022 15: 10
            how many shots will this design last

            2 rounds, maximum - 3 (40-60 shots). Then either redo the welding seams or the chassis will loosen.
            how many Svidomo she will cripple

            once they run before each shot, the chances of surviving are higher than with the "hammer".
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 17: 56
              "... Or redo the welding seams or the chassis will loosen." (c) Here it is. Absolutely agree.
            2. -1
              15 August 2022 12: 04
              At Gvozdika, the chassis does not loosen ... but the same motorcycle league.
      2. +2
        14 August 2022 15: 46
        The main tractor Rapier is just MTLB. But why did they weld with each other tightly?!? If anything, to assemble the frame and couple it with the tractor is a matter of seconds, the Rapier is light, not like the M-46 ...
    9. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 09
      The question is... how fast will this wunderwaffle fall apart?
      1. +1
        14 August 2022 13: 24
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is... how fast will this wunderwaffle fall apart?

        Another desperate attempt at gloomy ukrogeniya. request
      2. +4
        14 August 2022 13: 41
        I don't think this build will last long. The recoil of a 100mm cannon is many tens of tons, but I'm not sure that the engineers assembled this "self-propelled gun".
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 14: 31
          No, everything will probably be fine with recoil, for 0.25 minutes you can see that a separate platform was made for the gun and thrust into the MTLB, and most likely factory-made with engineering calculations.
          1. +1
            14 August 2022 15: 02
            And yet, the platform, the platform, and the body of the motorcycle league is not designed for such shock loads ... strength of materials, the matter is "muddy" and without accurate calculations, all such "innovations" end the same way.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 17: 01
              Quote: rocket757
              sopromat, the case is "muddy"

              Recoilless rifles can be safely placed on weak hulls - for example, the 82-mm B-10 recoilless rifle that is in service in the countries of the world in some other places. Currently, it is still in practice used by the Syrian army. Or 107 mm B-11.
              In principle, short-barreled recoilless rifles are a good self-defense weapon for purely technical vehicles and tractors: a machine gun is good, and a 100-mm recoilless land mine or shrapnel that hits exactly within 1000 m is still better.
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 18: 14
                So the keyword is RECOILLESS ... these are also on "tripods", light gun carriages are installed and fired.
        2. -1
          14 August 2022 15: 04
          They showed, like the previous "development" and that's it. What will happen to them later, the tenth thing, no one cares.
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    11. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 13
      No wonder the design bureau, which designed the MTLB, was given the state. award on the outcome of the war in Chechnya.
      And there seems to be nothing in it, armor only saves from a machine gun, and even then at medium and long distances.
      And yet. It's amazing why the U.K.R.s didn't think of this before.
      1. +2
        14 August 2022 13: 44
        Quote: Corrosion_Inhibitor
        No wonder the design bureau, which designed the MTLB, was given the state. award on the outcome of the war in Chechnya.
        And there seems to be nothing in it, armor only saves from a machine gun, and even then at medium and long distances.
        And yet. It's amazing why the U.K.R.s didn't think of this before.

        Well, let's be frank, they sculpted on Moiylaga, it's a pity for all the Chileans. Even in the Chechen company, I saw from 23-mm anti-aircraft twins to 82-mm Vasilkov.
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 14: 11
          And they did it right. In vain you say so - "sculpted". It would be more correct to say installed. This is what needs to be done now. MTLB is a very inexpensive chassis, compared to tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, and very maintainable. For example, it does not have tank units, including the engine. Even the MPP, which transfers control to the tracks, is of a civilian standard. Is that the torsion bar suspension - well, that's a big plus, not a minus.
          And, nevertheless, this chassis keeps the recoil from the Rapira anti-tank gun.
          Lightly armored chassis were written off in vain from the front line in advanced armies. Because their next stage of evolution is re-equipment into unmanned fire weapons. For example, MTLB is exactly right for this.
          1. +2
            14 August 2022 14: 23
            Keep the return that keeps. The only question is how long it will keep. Made in artisanal conditions, respectively, and a resource
            1. -1
              14 August 2022 14: 30
              And what do you think, does it generally matter in the total set of characteristics acquired by a new weapon? ..
              Where one "Acacia" is spent and it's a pity, you can spend three such MTLBs and it won't be a pity. And every time you will receive mobile art. an installation that will not leave the enemy a chance, as soon as she aims. "Rapier" is not a howitzer, it is an anti-tank gun that breaks through armor with the kinetic energy of an armor-piercing projectile. In case it is armor-piercing, it does not have a high-explosive part. It is no less dangerous for a tank than a sub-caliber one. This weapon has an increased flatness of the trajectory. It is easy to shoot direct fire from it, that's why it was made. In addition, an armor-piercing blank pierces through any walls, and a cannon hits very accurately, you just need to know how to shoot. As a result, this is the first enemy for snipers and heavy machine gunners. And now add to this mobility and not very high fuel consumption.
              And don’t worry about recoil, as I said, there is a torsion bar suspension and a load-bearing body.
        2. Eug
          +3
          14 August 2022 14: 25
          MT-LB, as for me, is an excellent universal vehicle on which many types of weapons can be installed. As for me, the desire of ordering organizations to abandon it is primarily due to the low price compared to other chassis, and not real possibilities. Once MT-LB produced Kharkov Tractor ...
          1. -1
            14 August 2022 14: 55
            MT-LB ... light armored multi-purpose tractor.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 15: 12
              A simple question ... how will the transmission, brakes behave when it is subjected to shock loads when fired? In vain, perhaps, many self-propelled guns have a special emphasis on the back, into the ground?
              Here the opinion of a specialist is worth knowing, otherwise we are guessing, guessing ....
              1. -4
                14 August 2022 15: 37
                The stops are there, the gun does not hit with a canopy, like a howitzer. Her return mostly goes back, and not down, so there are stops. Watch the video.
                Only the tank and the self-propelled guns "Lotos" with a tank gun are constantly designed to keep the recoil by the transmission. Everything else is howitzers or mortars. They have more vertical aiming angles or almost vertical, in the case of mortars.
                1. 0
                  14 August 2022 15: 45
                  It is clear that someone who knows them advised them ... they tried not to load the transmission.
                  Judging by the picture, they themselves do not particularly trust their design ... they scatter far from it, they do not want to take risks.
                  1. -4
                    14 August 2022 15: 54
                    Teeth or head so as not to hit, so I scatter. The curpus inside is not designed for firing from the Rapier. Cartridge-type cartridge cases, too, do not always fly exactly backwards, but they are large - concussion and fractures in the event of a hit not even by "direct fire" are guaranteed. From the "Rapier" itself, they almost also shoot, the only gunner left is the gunner, who guides the target if it is mobile, and the shooting is direct fire.
    12. 0
      14 August 2022 13: 15
      The adoption of the "advanced" experience of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) is evident, not only in the methods of warfare, but also in terms of technical equipment ...
      The lack of technology affects...
      1. -1
        15 August 2022 12: 09
        Such alterations have been carried away by everyone and sundry since the times of WWI
    13. +3
      14 August 2022 13: 16
      It seemed to me alone that the rate of fire of this "rhinoceros" has increased significantly. They run away from it, because the Rapier has a 50% chance to fly back.
      1. +1
        14 August 2022 13: 55
        The same question was asked earlier. The gun is powerful.
        1. -1
          15 August 2022 12: 10
          But at Gvozdika 122 mm, it’s true there is a howitzer.
      2. -3
        14 August 2022 14: 45
        Well, what can I tell you ... The time to stand in position and shoot two days has passed a long time ago, so the total rate of fire has rather increased, there is no need to deal with the deployment and collapse of the OP.
        1. -1
          14 August 2022 15: 50
          Yeah, not only two days near Avdiivka, they have been standing and shooting for the 9th year already.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 18: 04
            That's right 9 years from one trench? Then MINUSYAR for counter-battery training.
            1. -2
              14 August 2022 19: 57
              After 9 years of dredging art with art, you can’t see it anymore. And tanks too. Aviation is needed. And then the infantry. You saw the prepared fire. position, by statute? Or just militias who rush back and forth?
    14. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 18
      but the guys did well...
    15. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 18
      At the stern, stops are also installed. Little is heard about Western artillery from them, we have to switch to reliable Soviet.
      1. +1
        14 August 2022 15: 53
        I wonder where did you get the rest? From M777? wink
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 16: 22


          Is very similar.
    16. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 19
      An invention from the same series that the Su-76 was during the Second World War ....
      1. +3
        14 August 2022 14: 03
        Quote: assault
        An invention from the same series that the Su-76 was during the Second World War ....

        This is not an invention, but a craft. The Wehrmacht had a lot of such crafts, especially in the second half of the war, when Soviet artillery began to give a fitting rebuff. And when they lost air supremacy, then even more.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 00: 20
          At the Wehrmacht, most of the "handicrafts" from armored vehicles fall on the 41st year, when they sculpted "hybrids" in many variants from captured armored vehicles from all over Europe.
      2. +1
        14 August 2022 23: 09
        Quote: assault
        An invention from the same series that the Su-76 was during the Second World War ....

        Do not offend the SU-76 - on it, to install the ZIS-3, they used the chassis of a light tank, moreover, modified (lengthened by one roller).
        The Ukrainian pepelats is more reminiscent of not even a Marder, but a 7,5 cm Pak 40/4 auf RSO (Sf) or an Ardelta Waffentrager.
    17. +4
      14 August 2022 13: 19
      Still, Rapier is a purely anti-tank gun, high-explosive fragmentation is rather weak and the maximum range is 6 kilometers if sclerosis does not change. The rate of fire on a motorcycle league is decently lower than from the ground, the height, which means the probability of detection is the other way around. Tank is not a rival. The only purpose is sniper shooting at the DPV, he sneered and ran away.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 14: 48
        Do not confuse the maximum range and range of a direct shot and the effective range of fire. Three different concepts. 8200 meters.
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 15: 19
          We don't confuse. 8200 did you see this on the wiki? Of all the performance characteristics of the Rapier, I only remember the maximum towing speed, after all, 40 years have passed since then. Fundamentally, this does not change anything, the WPV is about 2 kilometers, depending on the type of projectile, and at this distance it is very effective. The use of OFS by shooting from a closed position is a weak replacement for a howitzer, except perhaps out of hopelessness.
          1. -1
            14 August 2022 18: 07
            Well, why immediately hopelessness, if there is a barrel and ammunition in the garden, why carry them thousands of kilometers from across the river.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 19: 14
              Because at the maximum distance of the Rapier on howitzer 7-8 kilometers, you can only get into the village. In a certain house only by chance, it’s not for this she is imprisoned. A closer point is instantly detected and destroyed by a mortar, for example. The calculation is naked. But it fits perfectly into the Ukrainian tactics of shooting at civilians, yes.
      2. 0
        15 August 2022 00: 22
        The rapier is great for firing from an ambush, a sort of 100 mm sniper, one or two shots at the side of a tank or at an infantry fighting vehicle and a change of position .....
    18. +3
      14 August 2022 13: 22
      Something similar to the SU-130PM from WOT.
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    20. +10
      14 August 2022 13: 30
      Here is the Ukrainian version of "Octopus-SD". On the other side, like ours, on the front line, they understand better than in the ministries that no gun is superfluous in battle, and if it also drives itself, this increases its value at times.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 13: 56
        The Germans tried to put it on 4 towers from panthers, it was torn off in figs after the first shot.
    21. +1
      14 August 2022 13: 42
      I kept trying to give some definition of this strange war. This ersatz immediately reminded me of Hegel's aphorism that all great world-historical events and personalities are repeated twice: the first time as a tragedy, and the second as a farce. So, this strange war is a parody of the Second World War.
    22. +1
      14 August 2022 14: 03
      "Craftsmen" (!) Just a people's war. And why then is the whole NATA so tense almost from the last of its strength?
      You can also install a bow and arrows.
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    24. Eug
      0
      14 August 2022 14: 18
      If instead of standard weapons - it says a lot, if in addition - why not? Sometimes the initiative is useful and timely; against lightly armored vehicles, this design promises to be quite effective.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 22: 27
        If this design is spotted from lightly armored vehicles, then a quick kaput will come to the innovators, they will shoot from a small-caliber cannon or a heavy machine gun before the gunner runs away with a rope.
    25. 0
      14 August 2022 14: 19
      Something seems to me that after some time MTLB will fall apart. He is not designed for such loads. Well, if they don't destroy it first
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 14: 53
        Please specify about the Gvozdika base?
        1. +2
          14 August 2022 22: 34
          The Gvozdika has less muzzle energy, the muzzle velocity is almost twice as low, and the muzzle brake is larger. And at the maximum charge, it does not always shoot at a large elevation angle of the barrel.
    26. +1
      14 August 2022 14: 30
      ... well, yes, everyone rushed away from the gun before the shot, the maximum range of this gun, or rather those ammunition for it, is 8000 meters, but it is designed for direct fire, and here's the "zrada", this "monument" is higher than the tank, and everything above the tank is a good target... I don't know where they will use IT, but the anti-tank gun should be minimally noticeable, like any gun on the "front end" ...
    27. +3
      14 August 2022 14: 31
      four servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine worked on a new self-propelled artillery installation for a month
      ... well, a month from the front to "mow" is already an achievement.
    28. -1
      14 August 2022 14: 31
      request I don't understand why everyone is so excited? EMNIP under the Union also made a similar 100 mm SPTP - 2S15 "Norov" was called. Well, not quite on the basis of MTLB, but on the basis of an elongated chassis from Gvozdika and more thorough ... So Soviet engineers sculpted it for 10 years! And then 4 Ukrainians managed in just a month! This, I understand, is an engineering school!
    29. +1
      14 August 2022 15: 07
      The idea is good: a light sniper self-propelled gun.
      But the implementation is cheap, with a deterioration in the rate of fire and without a decrease in servants.

      She needs a robotic turret with a rate of fire of about 10 rounds per minute - a unitary projectile makes this easy.
      Plus add an air defense function with an altitude of 10 km.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 22: 41
        The equally ancient T-62, with its 115-mm smoothbore gun, cuts this light sniper self-propelled gun into armor plates in one or two, due to the presence of a stabilizer, guidance drive and ease of aiming.
    30. +2
      14 August 2022 15: 23
      When meeting with the first tank, it will be annihilated, this entire collective farm is delaying the end, which is very painful.
    31. 0
      14 August 2022 15: 37
      Should the gunner climb up before and after each pickup? Hahaha. mockery. How about direct fire? And the rate of fire - fell 4 times. We are being trolled :)
    32. +1
      14 August 2022 15: 54
      According to the Ukrainian press, craftsmen in the Donbass installed an MT-12 Rapira anti-tank gun on an MT-LB tractor.


      Four servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reportedly working on a new self-propelled artillery installation for a month. During this time, the MTLB tractor acquired a 100-mm anti-tank gun MT-12 "Rapira" mounted on armor and two frames designed to ensure the stability of the makeshift installation during a shot.
      It will be more effective while working at a firing position, it will take much less time
      One shot two birds with one stone. In this case, a tractor and a cannon with one anti-tank missile, and if you're lucky, then two cannons, so three birds with one stone. The crew of the MTLB and the calculation of the gun, respectively, eggs in bulk and small retail. Well done.recourse good drinks
    33. 0
      14 August 2022 16: 41
      If only they were churning out five such shaitan carts a day, then one could shake their heads respectfully. But one a month... that's a fail, lads. Tomorrow ours will saw her out (and they will saw her out for a hundred pounds) - and then a lesson for a whole month with handy Sumerian engineers? Don't... crap!
    34. 0
      14 August 2022 16: 51
      The technical genius of the "Sumerians" is simply amazing to the core. On a motorcycle league with a power of 240 horses, a gun weighing more than 3 tons was riveted, the transmission will not live for a long time. The recoil during shots will not allow the hull parts to live long. The fall of the already low speed is obvious.
      Well, the enlarged silhouette, which will loom like a pimple on the ass, will leave no chance for the crew of this chariot. In a few days she will be burned.
    35. 0
      14 August 2022 16: 53
      Waffenträge reincarnation?!
    36. +1
      14 August 2022 18: 02
      Just like their idols
    37. 0
      14 August 2022 20: 56
      We need more of these devices! More!!!
    38. 0
      14 August 2022 20: 59
      Against the general background of handicrafts that inevitably appear "from below" during any military conflict, the gun looks good.
      On the positive side, a slight buildup after the shot immediately catches the eye. Naturally, there is an increase in maneuverability. Unfortunately, the video does not give any idea about the transfer of the gun to the stowed position - how the coulters are raised, where the crew is located on the trek, whether and where there are stacks of transportable ammunition, etc.
      Minuses, I think, here the experts will "dig up" without me. From my point of view, the most basic is that the "designers" did not seem to think about the ergonomics of the calculation during the shooting process at all. If everything is more or less clear with the gunner's place ("riding" on the armor is not the best solution, but, given the conditions for creating the gun, and not the worst possible), then how do the projectile and castle work in the process of intensive shooting when the calculation does not work from the cord , and loading is not from the ground, it is not clear to the end.
      The idea of ​​openers, of course, is also forced - not from a good life. What will happen to them during "burrowing" and an emergency turn of the car to a new direction is an open question.
      In general, the topic of "self-propelled" MT-12 was closed back in the USSR in the mid-80s, when they put an end to the 2S15 Norov. Even then it was clear that the MT-LB chassis was weak for these purposes, they worked with the MT-LBu, a seven-roller version from Gvozdika. Well, in the case presented, it is clearly the option "the richer, the more happy."
      In general, the weapon is clearly for ambush actions. And not for tanks. Watching, shitting, dumping - the tactics of the retreating army, which has a chance, with some luck, to drink a lot of blood, but is unlikely to change anything radically.
      But in conditions when the state does not give you anything better, why not?
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 22: 47
        Looks good? Not bad on such a chassis, "Cornflower" looks, and then it is inconvenient to feed cassettes, and only here ..
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 22: 54
          Well, we are not discussing "Cornflower" on the MT-LB chassis, are we?
    39. 0
      14 August 2022 21: 25
      I wonder what a frightening urge the designers gave to this canoe.
      To fence for a whole month a hybrid of a donkey with a squeaker, so that a drone flying past would correct artillery or aviation fire on it, and lose this miracle of design thought in a minute. A flaw in the design - a rotating turret with a quad DShK and a pair of Zhupelins should have been installed in the stern. Well, at worst ZU-23-2. Behind a tractor cart with ammunition and a couple of loaders. By the way, did the formidable garbage "Azovets" fall on the battlefields, or does the General Staff of Ukraine still hold this trump card up its sleeve?
    40. 0
      14 August 2022 21: 55
      I wonder how many shots this gravitapa will fall apart ...
    41. +3
      15 August 2022 02: 12
      Wow, I've seen something similar before. In Tanchiki. There the Russians have the same crap SU-130PM, and the Germans have the same Rheinmetal Borsig. Everything with Khokhol Bandera's bastard is clear. Someone outplayed tanks and decided to drink the same shukhpantser peplatz on a gravitsup, with blackjack and girls of easy virtue.
      Of the benefits - it can quickly hit the road after a couple of shots. Of the minuses, the crew runs away from the gun, that is, it does not work on moving targets. Of the benefits - armor protects against fragments. Of the minuses - the crew is OUTSIDE the car and nothing protects them from fragments. The gun itself is mounted openly, even without side armor shields, like on the Borizg or as it was on the German Tank Destroyers - there is no marder. That is, the gun itself and its mechanisms do not protect anything from fragments.
      That is, the output turned out to be "an unknown little animal." Self-propelled gun, but the crew is outside it, with an anti-tank gun, which shoots poorly at moving targets, and at stationary HE the projectile is weaker than 122 or 152/155. Of course, BETTER than nothing. And if you are sitting in some kind of house or barn, and such garbage crap at you from 2-3 km (that is, you cannot get it with an RPG or 82mm mortar), then it will be extremely unpleasant.
      I'll just repeat what I've said many times:
      a) Underestimating the enemy is a recipe for a huge popabol, see drape from Sumy from Kharkov, Kyiv, see Russian-Japanese, see WWI, see Soviet-Polish, see Soviet-Finnish, see 1941-1942.
      b) Any weapon is better than none. That is, if you don’t have anything, and then someone rolls up a PAK-40 with a normal BC for you, it’s better than nothing. Fans of calling the PAK40 "Obsolete and ineffective" need to sit in an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle when the BB from the Pak 40 arrives there. I repeat - BETTER than nothing. And if you are sitting in a trench, and even the "old and outdated" American 75mm M116 howitzer is working on you, it will not seem to you at all that it is "old and outdated". About the "old outdated and ineffective" ask the Japanese Prime Minister in the next world. A homemade shotgun is better than none, and the Jap himself, having received a portion of iron in his belly, this shotgun did not seem "ineffective". I will repeat again. The "outdated" 303 British, together with the "outdated" bullet from 7.92x57, will send you to the other world with the same success as the latest 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x54R. And your armored personnel carrier absolutely doesn’t care if a cumulative from a “low-powered and ineffective M119 howitzer flew into it, or if a cumulative from the latest 125mm flew into it ...
    42. 0
      15 August 2022 08: 38
      no accuracy - or no rate of fire, then why these jihad-mobiles?
      to scare the Papuans with their appearance?
      1. 0
        19 August 2022 10: 54
        MT12 was already rather weak against the first T64 and T72 ...... and the tank will shoot at it with an HE shell .....
    43. -1
      15 August 2022 10: 28
      Zrzats machine, well, as an option.
    44. +1
      15 August 2022 13: 39
      WOT played enough.
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 09: 16
        Well, rather, the Hans have a line of "vipers."
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    46. 0
      19 August 2022 10: 51
      Does the roof deform? MT12 is a very powerful gun .... and the roof is thin on /MTLB
    47. 0
      19 August 2022 11: 42
      I want this in WOT

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