What is the real purpose of the NWO? Officially designated and real goals of the operation in Ukraine

Very often, from the lips of the patriotic public and bloggers, there are demands for the political leadership of Russia to start working in full force and move on to decisive action. This can be heard especially often when the Armed Forces of Ukraine once again launch missile strikes on Russian territory. But what is meant by "resolute action" and "in full force"?

In one of his previous articles,When Russia starts to fight for real"I noted that within the framework of a special military operation, the RF Armed Forces are actually fighting to the limit of their capabilities, and reinforcement can only be due to the announcement of mobilization, the introduction of martial law and the transfer of part of the industry to war footing. Why isn't this happening? Obviously, because such steps would no longer fit into the framework of the SVO and would contradict the real plan of the military operation in Ukraine. What is this plan? We will try to answer this question.

On the lack of understanding of the meaning of the operation

Officially, the goals of the special operation in Ukraine were the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as the protection of Donbass. And if everything is clear with the protection and liberation of Donbass, then with the abstract terms “demilitarization” and “denazification”, things are completely different. How exactly are they supposed to be carried out? If under demilitarization, apparently, one can assume a decrease in the military potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (but this is a very vague concept), then what is meant by the term "denazification"? But it's not just the vagueness of these concepts. After six months of a special military operation, it becomes obvious that it is impossible to achieve any of these goals with the available forces, because it is impossible to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The information war is won by the one who gives a more or less understandable image of the future for the mass consciousness. While Ukraine talks about how Kyiv will join the European Union and become part of the collective West, how the standard of living will rise, etc., in the liberated territories they talk about how we will expel the Bandera and Nazis and start celebrating May 9 again. Who looks more convincing?

Why is everything so vague and inexpressive? Why not announce, for example, the Russian irredent, that is, the reunification of Russians in one state, instead of such vague goals? Why do we not see a coherent state ideology? But because all this is not included in the plans for a special military operation in Ukraine. The military operation, in principle, does not provide for the complete liquidation of Ukraine as a state. But then what are these plans?

What is the real NWO plan?

The original plan of the NMD, as has been repeatedly said, provided for a short-term operation with a minimum number of victims, the result of which would be a change of power in Ukraine. Instead of Zelensky's team, power was to temporarily pass into the hands of the pro-Russian Viktor Medvedchuk and former Ukrainian politicians like Oleg Tsarev. It was expected that local administrations would gladly go over to the side of Russia, it is for this reason that at the initial stage of the operation, the Russian military was instructed to open only return fire. This plan was based on incorrect assessments of the operational situation and eventually led to a number of tragedies, such as, for example, the death of a Russian special forces detachment in Kharkov on February 27.

At the time of the start of the operation, many politicians, journalists, and bloggers were sure that Kyiv would fall within a few days. On February 25, Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin in his Telegram channel, referring to the American media, писал:

“Yesterday, the American media published Washington's forecast that Kyiv would be taken within 96 hours. 24 hours have already passed. An inglorious end and a natural outcome of the political career of an actor who never understood the difference between a game and a real responsibility for the lives of millions of people.

Subsequently, the military operation plan was adjusted in accordance with the prevailing realities. The priority goal was the liberation of Donbass, and Ukraine was put forward the terms of a peace agreement. The essence of these conditions was not officially named, but back in June, an article appeared in the American National Interest magazine with a plan for such an agreement. Among the points of the agreement published in an American magazine are the recognition by Ukraine of the reunification of Crimea with Russia, the neutral status of Ukraine, the reduction of Ukrainian ground forces (demilitarization), the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson and Zaporozhye (but not Donbass), holding referendums in the LPR and DPR.

Some points, such as "providing written guarantees to the United States and NATO that NATO will never expand eastward along the borders of Russia, including Finland," are no longer practically feasible, since Finland has already signed a protocol on joining NATO (on the protocol had not yet been signed at the time of publication). The fact that the Russian Federation is counting on Kyiv to agree to the terms of the Russian plan, the essence of which is not named, has been repeatedly said by presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov. Just the other day he said that

“Russia is ready for a peaceful solution to the conflict, and our conditions are well known to the Ukrainian side. One way or another, they will be provided.

Some experts and analysts, in particular the same retired FSB colonel Igor Strelkov, have repeatedly noted that the events in Ukraine resemble the First World War. The author of this text repeatedly made such comparisons, emphasizing that delaying a military operation is dangerous. But the fact is that such a development of the situation is part of the current NWO plan.

According to the idea, sooner or later Ukraine, which suffers great human and financial losses and the Western “partners” supporting it, also bearing considerable economic costs, will not stand this war to the bone and agree to peace on Russian terms. It remains only to wait a little. Already now, one can observe the appearance of materials in some publications that “the Ukrainian authorities will not last even until winter” - in the same publications that since 2014 have been talking about how “Ukraine will freeze and fall apart.”

There is only one question - what will happen if the United States, Britain and their allies, and Ukraine completely controlled by them, which is supplied by the collective West, do not agree to Russia's conditions? If a compromise cannot be reached (and so far there is no sign that it will be possible to achieve it)? Is there another plan for this?

Comments

[andrewkor]

NWO will reach its goals if it "reaches" the English Channel!

[military_cat]

If a compromise cannot be reached (and so far there is no sign that it will be possible to achieve it)? Is there another plan for this?

That's right, there are no signs of a possible compromise. Moreover, the unimaginable losses in the present and future, which have already been written off by both Western governments and Western companies in order to break economic ties with Russia, do not show that the partners did not expect the consequences and are about to reconsider their decisions, but rather that they made difficult decisions for the long term and are serious. There is a plan, of course.
1. Be patient
2. Tighten your belts
3. Imports to replace goods and technologies with the absence of goods and technologies
4. Cheer yourself up with stories that a war of annihilation has been unleashed and is being waged against us (and not that the main plan for a small victorious war did not work, but there was no spare)

[AUL]

Quote: military_cat

1. Be patient
2. Tighten your belts
3. Imports to replace goods and technologies with the absence of goods and technologies
4. Cheer yourself up with stories that a war of annihilation has been unleashed and is being waged against us (and not that the main plan for a small victorious war did not work, but there was no spare)

5. And finally finish the crossing! And then the horses will die from such work.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

military cat:

—- There is a universal rule of author's and public opinion:

—-Public opinion always wins

—-Public opinion reacts and reflects what was accepted by the public consciousness, and not what the author intended.

It doesn’t matter what you wanted to bring to society, but what matters is what it accepted - “it is not what you intend, but what you send”.

—- And when there are doubts - they are not really there - “when there is a doubt, there is no doubt”

[military_cat]

Thanks, that's very interesting, but I don't really understand which part of my comment this is referring to.

[Catfish]

Yep, the day after tomorrow.

[ocean969]

Author, did you answer the question posed at the head of the article?

[Catfish]

Who are you appealing to?

[Foul skeptic]

I have a different logic.

Yes, with logical errors.
For example, this is

The forces and means used by the Russian side are completely insufficient for a quick victorious war. An intelligent person, seeing such a clear contradiction, would question the original assertion that the NWO was intended as a short-term operation.

But with such "logic" it is easier to live.

[Serg4545]

And where did you see my logical errors?

[Foul skeptic]

Just answer the question. You consider an estimate for the repair work of your home. And we came to the conclusion that in order to complete the work, it is enough for you to involve 5 people in order to meet the weekly deadline. Will you hire 5 people or 25?

[Serg4545]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Just answer the question. You consider an estimate for the repair work of your home. And we came to the conclusion that in order to complete the work, it is enough for you to involve 5 people in order to meet the weekly deadline. Will you hire 5 people or 25?

If the work needs to be done in a week, then 5 people.
If in 1-2 days, then 25 people.

[Foul skeptic]

Am I not clear enough? I can repeat:

Do you think an estimate for repairs to your home. And came to the conclusionthat in order to complete the work, it is enough for you to attract 5 people to meet the weekly deadline. Will you hire 5 people or 25?

The prerequisites are indicated to you, why are you replacing them?
But back to your answer:

If the work needs to be done in a week, then 5 people.

You are hiring 5 people.
And then it turns out that you incorrectly calculated the amount of work, because you did not take into account hidden factors that could not be determined before the start of the repair. And 5 people cannot complete it in a week.
If the calculation turned out to be incorrect, does this mean that the idea was different and you wanted to make repairs not in a week, but in a month?

[Ryazan87]

Don't you understand this cunning logic?)
The Russian leadership did not plan a quick and victorious war, so they allocated insufficient forces to fight for a long time and not very successfully. Bingo!
Looking at the current state of affairs in the NWO, one can already believe in this.

[Serg4545]

Quote: Ryazanets87

The Russian leadership did not plan a quick and victorious war, so they allocated insufficient forces to fight for a long time and not very successfully. Bingo!
Looking at the current state of affairs in the NWO, one can already believe in this.

You are somewhat clumsy, but in general, you said everything exactly.
We clearly do not need a quick victory.
And before you twist your finger at your temple, remember the Syrian company.
When the Syrian campaign was just beginning, I could not understand why we climbed there at all. And he did not see any benefits for us, even in the event of our victory.
But the war years have passed. And how much stronger Russia's influence in this region! Most of the Middle Eastern countries generously supplied money and weapons to the so-called Syrian opposition. We almost completely destroyed this opposition. It would seem that we seriously violated the plans of these Middle Eastern countries, which should have led to an aggravation and tough confrontation between us and these countries.
But! In some completely incomprehensible and incredible way, everything happened exactly the opposite !!
Those countries that, before the Syrian campaign, took a clearly hostile position towards us, by now have turned, if not into allies, then into firm neutrals. And the benefits of this have been evident in recent months, when the West is putting enormous pressure on these countries to hurt Russia. But all the efforts of the West in this case are in vain. Our authority is undeniable.
Remember how radically our relations with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and Egypt have changed. Yes, we seem to have significantly improved our relations IN GENERAL WITH ALL COUNTRIES OF THE REGION!
To be honest, I have no idea how it was done. But the fact that this is the result of a long-term Syrian campaign is unequivocal.
Such titanic advances, in such an extremely important region, naturally took place gradually and in many ways. This means that if we won the Syrian company not in a few years, but say in a couple of months, then we would not have achieved the results described above.

As we know now, clashes with the Ukrainian army are not the only problem. Additional problems and perhaps even more important ones! are: the almost direct participation of NATO in this conflict, the economic confrontation with the West, sanctions, and much more.
And it is quite possible that, as in the case of the Syrian company, it is a protracted war that will solve all problems, and not just the tactical problem of victory over the Ukrainian army.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Serg4545

even more important! are: the almost direct participation of NATO in this conflict, the economic confrontation with the West, sanctions, and much more.
And it is quite possible that, as in the case of the Syrian company, it is a protracted war that will solve all problems, and not just the tactical problem of victory over the Ukrainian army

I put pluses under your comments, but I singled out this idea especially, since I adhere to that opinion.
NVO is the quintessence of the military superiority of the Russian army, global economic changes in the world and new geopolitical alignments. I have repeatedly written that CWO is a goose that has begun to lay golden eggs. The fact that the effect turned out to be unexpected for all parties, including the Russian Federation, does not change the essence of the matter.

As for the local public, the level is approximately clear to you by the number of minuses. It remains to be hoped that we are not alone in this opinion!

[Glory1974]

And what forces has Russia allocated to fight hundreds of thousands of battle-hardened and well-armed fanatics?
In Syria, there were 20-30 aircraft at the same time, a small number of helicopters. A number of advisors and MTRs. Limited supply of weapons to the Syrian army. Well, that's practically all.

You do not take into account the Iranian armed forces. We didn’t talk much about this in the press, but in reality, several tens of thousands of infantry are Iranians. And they did the main work on the ground. For the first time in several months since the beginning of the operation, Iran has lost a dozen generals, which indirectly speaks of the scale of the fighting.

[Serg4545]

Quote: glory1974

You do not take into account the Iranian armed forces. We didn’t talk much about this in the press, but in reality, several tens of thousands of infantry are Iranians. And they did the main work on the ground. For the first time in several months since the beginning of the operation, Iran has lost a dozen generals, which indirectly speaks of the scale of the fighting.

Maybe)
But I listed the forces allocated specifically by Russia.
And a fast company in Syria was not planned.
So why is there an opinion that it was a short-term company that was planned in Ukraine?
After all, there is no evidence for this!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Serg4545

So why is there an opinion that it was a short-term company that was planned in Ukraine?

Yes, even by the way Putin, on the second day of the operation, turned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take power into his own hands.

[frog]

How is it possible? They are either fascists, or Nazis, or who knows a vegetable ????

[Serg4545]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yes, even by the way Putin, on the second day of the operation, turned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take power into his own hands.

I didn't understand. How does Putin's address on the second day of the SVO indicate plans for a short-term company?
And if such an appeal was made not on the second day of the NWO, but, say, on the 100th, would it mean something else?
Let me give you the exact quote:
“I once again appeal to the military personnel of the armed forces of Ukraine: do not allow neo-Nazis and Bendera to use your children, wives and old people as human shields, take power into your own hands. It looks like it will be easier for us to come to terms with you than with this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis, who settled in Kyiv and took hostage the entire Ukrainian people.”

And what do we see here? There is not even a hint to give up, go home, go over to the side of Russia, and so on.
In fact, it's just a call not to follow criminal orders when the military is hiding behind civilians.
And by the way, it is clear from the appeal that Putin does not even allow the thought that the authorities in Ukraine can surrender, or even go over to the side of Russia.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Serg4545

It looks like it will be easier for us to come to terms with you than with this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis, who settled in Kyiv and took hostage the entire Ukrainian people.”

That's just the point, that expected to agree. For me, this is how the beginning of the NWO went according to the Czechoslovak scenario. There, on the very first day, they captured the airfield near Prague and marched in tank columns. But the Czechoslovak troops did not show resistance, they agreed with them, but for some reason the IEDs actively did not like such guests. As a result, this plan flew to dust and we have what we have. This is purely my opinion.

[ALARI]

Then why was a landing on Kyiv needed if they wanted to carry out this campaign slowly and for a long time? And then leave? Didn't grow together?

[Glory1974]

Why is there an opinion that a short-term company was planned in Ukraine?
After all, there is no evidence for this!

After the call to take power into their own hands, a rebellion was raised in Kyiv. A group of conspirators attacked the president's office, there was a fight. Warned Zelensky fled. After seizing the office, the conspirators went to a cottage village near Kyiv, not far from Gostomel, where, according to some reports, Zelensky was. The fighting there lasted about a week. Our landing force captured Gostomel precisely with the aim of helping the conspirators. The British and the SBU outplayed us, Zelensky survived, there was no quick change of power. Started working on plan B.
Western embassies left Kyiv on February 24, waiting for the fighting to begin. At the beginning of March we returned, because the plan "B" is a protracted option.

[military_cat]

Quote: Serg4545

They say a small contingent of our troops is explained by the fact that there was a calculation for the surrender of the authorities of Ukraine and the change of this government.
Again, it is useless to demand proof of this assertion. How can there be evidence for something that did not exist in nature?

For me, the proof of this is that in February, among others, officers of the police and the Russian Guard went in paddy wagons to "take" Kyiv. For example, column ATNP-5350 in Kyiv: https://t.me/armyofukraine/5430

[frog]

But ninada pump and throw And also to sway the boat and rock the pipe

[Serg4545]

Quote: military_cat

For me, the proof of this is that in February, among others, officers of the police and the Russian Guard went in paddy wagons to "take" Kyiv. For example, column ATNP-5350 in Kyiv: https://t.me/armyofukraine/5430

What does it mean to "take" Kyiv? These vehicles are moving across the territory occupied by our troops.
Who do you think deals with prisoners and detained criminals (marauders) in Kiev, Mariupol and other areas?
This is exactly what the police and the Russian Guard are ultimately dealing with them.
Or do you think that the infantry transports prisoners and criminals in the colonies and prisoner of war camps? On what? Maybe on armored personnel carriers?
And the video is correct. Special vehicles, for special contingent.

[military_cat]

Quote: Serg4545

Who do you think deals with prisoners and detained criminals

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_police_of_the_Ministry_of_Defence_of_the_Russian_Federation

[Foul skeptic]

Military_Police_of_the_Ministry_of_Defence_of_the_Russian_Federation

No

[Serg4545]

Quote: military_cat

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_police_of_the_Ministry_of_Defence_of_the_Russian_Federation

You obviously haven't read Wikipedia yourself. Here is a quote from there:
The military police is designed to ensure law and order and military discipline in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The key here is: in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
That is, the military police do not have the right to carry out any manipulations with Ukrainian servicemen and prisoners of war and civilians.

[military_cat]

From the charter:

19. The main activities of the military police are:
(...)
6) protection and escort of military personnel, including military personnel of other troops and military formations;

[Foul skeptic]

"Other troops and military formations" are those troops and formations that, in the structure of the RF Armed Forces, did not fall into 3 types of the Armed Forces - SV, VKS, Navy and into 2 branches of the Armed Forces - Strategic Missile Forces and Airborne Forces.

[military_cat]

Let's say, then why does the military police work with prisoners of war during exercises?

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12428782@egNews

The personnel of the military commandant's offices and military automobile inspections were alerted, after which field points for the temporary detention of prisoners of war were deployed at the training grounds, where the military police received practical experience in receiving, registering, escorting and keeping prisoners of war.

[Foul skeptic]

Apparently, you are right.

[military_cat]

Sorry. :) I do not pretend to the depth of knowledge in this matter, I made a conclusion based on the information I found.

[Zakirov Damir]

I left a comment below, where I stated my point of view. Read.
I'll come back in a couple of days and see how many minuses he has collected.

[victor50]

Quote: Serg4545

about a FAST AND VICTORIOUS COMPANY AND NOT PLANNED.

What was planned? Is it war for the sake of war?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Serg4545

It is obviously useless to ask for evidence for this claim, because there is no such evidence in nature.

There is. Landing on Gostomel. Rapid advance of troops to Kyiv, without looking back at the rear and leaving faulty equipment along the road. Actions in groups in different directions. That is, the plan was somewhat adventurous. And it did not work. Moreover, it led to heavy losses .Well, the fact that the calculation was on the support of the population is visible to the naked eye.

[AUL]

Quote: okean969

Author, did you answer the question posed at the head of the article?

A well-posed question is already half the answer!

[Gardamir]

The author posed a question. And let everyone answer. For example, it seems to me that the Kremlin is going to conduct a special operation for eight years. In any case, for some reason, they don’t drive everything from Donetsk.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: okean969

Author, did you answer the question posed at the head of the article?

I will answer for the author!

Yes, the NWO went contrary to possible initial expectations. Not plans, but expectations. However, over time, the CBO turned into a goose that lays golden eggs.

Firstly, the initial ratio of losses (the army of the Russian Federation - the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) of 1: 3 in early March switched to a ratio of 1: 7-8 by May and to a ratio of 1: 10 -15 by August. Thus, the level of the Russian army is growing and the level of the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is falling. Why hurry?

Secondly, the EU economy is going down, and these are the NATO countries first of all. Let it fly, why rush?

Thirdly, there is a change in the geopolitical alignment of forces in the world against NATO countries. Why rush again?

As you can see, we really do not need to hurry! Exhausting, positional struggle and time working for us. Are there chess players on the forum or are they all military? To turn a positional struggle into an attacking onslaught, you need the loss of material! Speaking not in chess language, sacrifices are needed without any guarantees for a positive result. Time is playing in our favor and against the West, and therefore let the West go in-bank!

Why do we need this? Why all this whining about pace, about misunderstandings, etc. etc.?

Fourthly, the West is a sprinter by nature (Swedes, Napoleon, Hitler's Germany), and Russia is a stayer. The West is running out of steam very quickly without reaching its lightning plans. Russia, on the other hand, is a stayer, ready to see the presence of natural territories (you will be tormented to take), natural resources (you will shit yourself with envy) and human resources (conscripts-reservists) for a war of attrition. Haven't four centuries of previous history taught us anything?

Fifthly, slowly and slowly, we clean up the territory. Did anyone at first assume that not only Luhansk and Donetsk, but also Kherson, Zaporozhye and Kharkov would become part of the Russian Federation? Now imagine the reaction of the world community if we took all this and announced our accession already on the seventh day of the NWO?

[Negro]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

. Did anyone at first assume that not only Luhansk and Donetsk, but also Kherson, Zaporozhye and Kharkov would become part of the Russian Federation?

1. "At the beginning of the SVO," the head of the US KNSh, Milli, stated that Kyiv would fall in 72 hours. Biden offered Zelensky evacuation.
2. As of August 17, the only region that the Russian Federation fully controls is the Luhansk region.

[Curious Katya]

Yes, the NWO went contrary to possible initial expectations. Not plans, but expectations. However, over time, the CBO turned into a goose that lays golden eggs.

And then why do you think that it was not originally planned that way?

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Curious Katya

Yes, the NWO went contrary to possible initial expectations. Not plans, but expectations. However, over time, the CBO turned into a goose that lays golden eggs.

And then why do you think that it was not originally planned that way?

The consequences of hostilities are a multivariate outcome, each of which becomes exponentially more complicated when you try to look several moves ahead for each option.
Something, of course, was calculated, but it is unlikely that all the consequences are completely.

[Curious Katya]

I used to also think that a quick and short-term operation was planned, but it so happened by chance that it dragged on and its "drag" gives numerous unexpected bonuses. And then I thought - did it really happen "accidentally"? Were these bonuses really "unexpected"? Maybe that's how it was originally planned? Note - after all, none of the "planners" said that we would finish quickly and decisively in a week "Another one... (these were only journalists and forecasters squealing). On the contrary, they said - we will fight for as long as it takes. Until all the goals of the NMD are fully achieved. We have nowhere to rush."

[haron]

Quote: okean969

Author, did you answer the question posed at the head of the article?

The author is just studying "public opinion". We must answer his questions, and "they" will look and maneuver depending on ....

[Misha Mihalkov]

Today, the main operation of the NWO is moving to Nikolaev and Odessa, they will go to Transnistria.

[dmi.pris1]

It does not move anywhere. Heavy fighting in the area of ​​Artemovsk, Seversk and Maryinka. And there is still Slavyansk and Kramatorsk ahead. There are no forces in the second direction.

[max702]

Somehow the author bashfully kept silent about another goal of the SVO, namely decommunization boo..
On the eve of the start of the Special Military Operation, Russian President Vladimir Putin made a speech in which he touched on the processes taking place in modern Ukraine, including attempts to rewrite history and destroy any connection and mention of the Soviet period in the life of the former Ukrainian SSR.

Addressing the current Ukrainian authorities, the Russian leader said in part:

“You want decommunization. Well, that suits us just fine. But you don't have to stop half way. We will show you what true decommunization means for Ukraine.” End of quote.

[Foul skeptic]

Addressing the current Ukrainian authorities, the Russian leader said in part:

The Russian leader then said a lot of things. I believe that if the Russian leader had the opportunity to rewind time back to the beginning of the year, he would have forgotten about the "demilitarization" and "denazification" of Ukraine, like a nightmare.

[max702]

Why would? "We haven't even started yet!"

[Harry.km]

Quote: max702

Why would? "We haven't even started yet!"

From the fact that, "rewind time back" (c) is impossible! )

[frog]

Shaw, and meat from cutlets in any way? How then to be? However, he is no stranger to...

[max702]

I mean, if they started today, then the Ukrainian TNW would be unwound without any sentimentality ...

[jdiver]

I don't think I would have forgotten. But not of their own free will, but at the behest of partners who raised the stakes in any case. From the Crimea on February 23 and apparently before, too, people with trunks poured into Ukraine (information from the person who talked to them). At the same time, they were ciphered to the questions of what kind of strange accumulation this is. Until finally one of these leg walkers came out to "smoke" with a man and said that it was those who had relatives in the structures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / SBU who told them to get out of the Crimea, we will soon raze everything to the ground. So they fell down until 24.02. So if the Russian leader had not started this NWO, in a couple of weeks he would have had to fight anyway. But they dragged on until the very end.

[Foul skeptic]

Oh, these "information from one person" ...

in a couple of weeks I would have to fight anyway.

You understand that a combined-arms operation is impossible without months of preliminary preparation. Which cannot be hidden.

[jdiver]

Undoubtedly. You have the correct nickname. It suits you :) It's just that in dealing with people on the street, such arguments will be too lofty matters. And this is a specific example. However, your phrase is without a question mark, and therefore this statement. And then at first it seemed to me that you are one of those who consider the interlocutor initially stupider than themselves.

[Mustached Kok]

It amazes me how many stubbornly believe in "denazification" as one of the main reasons, explaining that in Ukraine they are intensively trying to "rewrite" history. And why is it that we then drape the mausoleum on May 9? Are the flags of the USSR covered up on the records of the NVO fighters? Are they making films and series about the Soviet Union with the message that the Germans were even better? And then they still play these films on central television? Do they erect monuments to anti-communists and supporters of fascism? On the same central television they talk about the beautiful Krasnov, Ilyin and Mussolini? How do we ourselves, the state promotes the idea that the Soviet Union was great because of the Russians, somehow completely ignoring the common contribution of ALL nationalities. What do we have? Is there NO DECOMUNIZATION in your opinion?

But we have it! It’s just that after 2014, the pace of decommunization has subsided, so that against the background of Ukraine, where these rates have only increased, it doesn’t burn that the same decommunizers are in power. Let me remind you that the phrase that "... they only produced galoshes that no one needed ..." was not said by a liberal journalist, not by a Ukrainian nationalist and not by a European politician, it was said by our president and supreme commander in chief.

Thus, over the years of its leadership, it has not achieved even a fraction of what the Union has achieved in the same time. The same politician, under which the number of dollar millionaires and billionaires has increased significantly. The one who lost almost as many allied countries as Yeltsin. The very one who made NATO troops only get closer (NATO’s eastward advance is their idea, but the problem is that the Russian leadership had to stop this, but there was nothing but words. To stop, or at least slow down the advance, was the WORK of the government , and for many years they failed). And this is the same president who, against the backdrop of all this, continuing to pursue an increasingly anti-social policy and continuing to develop ideas that now it is much better than if they had followed the Soviet path, declares that he is fighting "decommunization" in Ukraine. He fights it not because he wants to defend the idea of ​​communism, but because he doesn't want a competitor. Although in fact. The leadership of the country is not one Putin. The leadership of the country (as well as all bourgeois countries) are representatives of the country's largest capital and trusted officials jointly controlling the state and leading policy. And the idea of ​​why they are pursuing politics as they are, will not be clear for a very long time. Only in a few decades, their motivation and plans for earning will become clear.

[SavranP]

In the 90s, the then Liberal Democrats, who changed the names of their parties many times in a short time, called their opponents "red-browns". Indeed, they were opposed, often united, by communists ("reds") and nationalists ("browns"). Now, reading the materials of VO and comments on them, one can state a "red-blue" association: communists and liberal democrats. From the point of view of petty-bourgeois logic (in the aspect, so to speak), which the majority of the population of Russia adheres to, apparently, one can say: "A plague on both your houses." Said a long time ago, but still relevant.

[Mustached Kok]

I will surprise you, but when two opponents do not like the affairs of the third at the same time, this is normal. At the same time, General Criticism never led to proposals to unite. Communists and liberals together criticize modern Russia, for good reason. But the proposals for a solution between the Reds and the "democrats" are fundamentally different, and therefore, despite constant criticism of the leadership, the communists and the liberal opposition do not unite. Moreover, both sides hate each other and are constantly criticized. The fact that both sides oppose the current structure of the country does not make them friends.

What can we say, if one of the "Reds" proposes to unite with the liberal opposition, they will still call him a traitor. As well as vice versa, if a liberal oppositionist proposes to unite with the Reds, he will also be accused of "guarding".

Well, and most importantly - how does this justify a whole carriage of erroneous political decisions that the modern leadership made?
They have been in power for 20 years, but they constantly find excuses for failures. So maybe the problem is not in excuses, but in the fact that you do not see a policy that is beneficial to the population?! Or have we stopped carrying out our decommunization? Or have we sharply restored the industry? Or have we established a huge number of new alliances for trade and defense?

[Alemax]

Moreover, both sides hate each other and constantly criticize. The fact that both sides oppose the current structure of the country does not make them friends.

Furthermore. These two sides still do nothing but seize the opportunity and enrich themselves. Among the big commies there are a huge number of quiet millionaires. All these bawlers fit quite well into the bourgeois value system and do not disdain to rake in through hired labor.
Not a single pro-communist movement has done anything in all this time. For the entire reign, both Yeltsin and Putin.
Where are the cells? Where is the field work? Where is there any attempt to influence the "anti-social policy of the usurper"? But no. There is "blanking within the bounds of what is permitted."
Spontaneously, subconsciously, ordinary people are naturally for justice. And these deceitful boars only take advantage of this and, on the wave of "socialism, this is good," they only fill their political pockets in order to be closer to the trough.
Therefore, let's somehow leave aside all these crazy ideas.
There is not and will not be a revival of the communist idea without a clear historical, political and economic analysis of those years when the Great Country existed with its Great Ideals.
What you now call the word "communists" is nothing more than a collaborative riffraff, thirsting for bourgeois benefits primarily for themselves, thinking like the bourgeoisie, acting like the bourgeoisie, and, therefore, having nothing to do with genuine communist ideas of the world order.

And when we say "Putin didn't do this, Putin didn't do that," let's somehow compare it with what these same leftists did.
So far, besides, as a pro with the USSR rally, they have not done anything.

“I do not agree - criticize, criticize - offer, offer - do, do, do - answer!” Sergey Pavlovich Korolev

Sorry, boiling.

[Mustached Kok]

Judging by your description, you do not know at all that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not a communist. And there are a huge number of authors promoting the class struggle, studying the experience of the Soviet Union. His mistakes and his right decisions. There are many people trying to modernize the communist idea based on current experience - these people and organizations exist. If we talk about individuals, then there are many representatives of both the old and the new generation. From the "old" generation, these are Boris Yulin, Klim Zhukov, Kagarlitsky, etc.
Of the people of the "young" generation, these are the economists Komolov and Safronov, the historian Rudoy. There are channels of young authors who are directly devoted to describing the development of fascism and its economic features. Heck, there are even authors that talk about materialism and class struggle through the development of cinema/literature/culture in general. The fact that you do not know about them, but only know the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, who have not been communists since their inception, does not mean that they do not exist.
So far, the main problem of many modern Reds is that they argue with each other no less than against real apanents - the guardians and oppositionists of the liberals. As a result, instead of agreeing on a peaceful consensus on the temporary hushing up of differences and joint efforts to promote the ideas of temporary socialism. They spend a lot of time and energy arguing with each other. The discussion is important, but not when it takes HALF of all working time. The modern reds just about got pissed off about video game themes recently. Someone considered them unnecessary, and someone believed that games, like any form of art, should be used for our propaganda. Only because of the SVO, the flame of disputes went out and they stopped at the conclusion of the majority - games should be used and not banned.

[Alemax]

And there are a huge number of authors promoting the class struggle, studying the experience of the Soviet Union. His mistakes and his right decisions.

Debriefing should not be done by amateurs and bloggers, but by serious teams consisting of dispassionate professionals. I will say more, they, for the sake of objectivity, should not hold any views at all. Neither right nor left. Only system analysis and scientific approach. Emotionless.
Your blochers, including Klim Zhukov, are the same talkers.
And I did not mean either the Communist Party or any of the current official political movements.
The Communist Party, by the way, is also different in essence. There are quite decent and responsible people in it. This meant the general field of center-left activity.
And even more so, I'm not interested in blochers who are looking for similarities between the Russian Federation and fascism. All this is far-fetched by the ears.

[SavranP]

Yes, you are right: the "red-blue" association itself is paradoxical to the point of obscenity. And it surprises the outside observer. For example, your statement about "a carload of erroneous political decisions that the modern leadership made." If you brought at least a couple of such decisions, it would be clear from what positions you criticize. That is, what is your political orientation. Faceless "car" - pounding water in a mortar. Personally, I focus on the standard of living of ordinary people, the "working masses." Under the current government, this level is the highest since the Brezhnev era. This ensures the stability of power, along with the support of the "power frame". There is something to criticize, of course. There are enough troubles and shortcomings, there is no indication of the direction and prospects for the development of the Russian economy and society. "Who is to blame? What to do?" Unbearable questions in the history of our country. It will be better for all of us if these questions are resolved without great upheavals.

[Anachoret]

The author looks at events too one-sidedly) the goal was a regime change in Kyiv at the very beginning of the operation) but ... the first few weeks showed 1) that Kyiv will not go to peace, because small-shaven people and mattresses do not need it) they need to save their economy at the expense of fire in Europe)) 2) put no one in Kyiv instead of the current government, but the entire political elite of Ukraine (regardless of political affiliation) is a bunch of thieving scum who, for the sake of profit, will repaint in any color)
Therefore, the operation has long moved into a format where the hat will fly - my lands are there) and therefore neighbors, like Poland, Romania and Hungary, are already openly licking on pieces of land and comparing these pieces with their capabilities to “swallow”)
And no one needs the “Ukrainian state” as such, except for mattresses and small shaves) I repeat, at the cost of a fire in Europe, they save their loved ones))
Therefore, even if the zeleboba regime falls, and now for the whole next week and until the end of August, civil servants of the central regions of Kyiv are transferred to a remote location, and troops are gathered near Kyiv marked “to avoid provocations by Independence Day”)) so, even if the zeleboba is thrown off, instead of him, a zaluzhny will be at the helm, who is directly led "because of the puddle")) what is his speaking surname))
And the special operation is now approaching the stage “where it is thin - it breaks there”), since the tension in the Ukrainian troops has reached its limit - there are no longer enough weapons, there are also not enough shells and cartridges, motivated people capable of fighting are running out)
Already now the front is starting to crack, and then there will be more

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anchorite

Already now the front is starting to crack

It's been cracking for almost half a year, but it won't crack at all. Can you tell me the end date of the SVO?

[Anachoret]

It is necessary to take into account not only the military, but also the economic component) the “premierfall” has already begun in Europe, and the heating season has not even begun (it will be even more fun), in America there will be parliamentary elections in the fall and the can will have more important problems than Ukraine)
In the territories controlled by Kyiv, they have already announced vague prospects for the heating season) and the announcement of Klitschko’s divorce is clearly connected with this) in order to transfer part of the assets to his wife and children, since Kyiv will look for the guilty and Klitschko is “the most convenient culprit”, because Akhmetov is already covering him neither can Germany)
The mood among the masses against the background of buckwheat at 2,5 dollars per kg and the lack of heating (or minimal heating to heat the system) can also be said separately, although it is clear that this will not add enthusiasm and support to Kyiv)
So the deadline may turn out to be closer than British (mattress) analysts and all sorts of all-propal whiners like Strelkov suggest))

[Curious Katya]

Can you tell me the end date of the SVO?

The Supreme Commander-in-Chief said - "We do not set deadlines. When all the goals set are achieved, then we will finish. We have nowhere to rush."

[Mustached Kok]

the tension in the Ukrainian troops has reached the limit - there are no longer enough weapons, there are also not enough shells and cartridges, motivated people capable of fighting are running out

I heard these phrases at the end of the first week of the NWO. But almost 5 months have passed, and the weapons are still not running out, the soldiers have not yet fled, the politicians have not yet surrendered

[mikh-korsakov]

Why did the author, like many commentators, decide that our authorities considered it possible and therefore adopted a blitzkrieg campaign plan? I’ll make a reservation right away that what the authorities really counted on will become known no earlier than in the Russian Federation there will be a change of power, i.e. 2014 (+ 12?). Therefore, all the arguments are nothing more than speculation with all the consequences. But I, remembering the experience of the First World War, would not brush aside the consequences. As soon as the Russian army in 1915 was defeated and lost territories, the liberal public, led by the Cadets, immediately revived. As soon as they fired the tsarist government, which, like the current one, responded to the attacks peacefully, and from the newspapers it rushed: spies are sitting in the General Staff, the German queen, the king of a narrow-minded mind. The liberal intelligentsia competed in wit. They wrung their hands in hysterics. How it ended - right - the February revolution, as a result of which Russia lost a lot of people and land. And the Bolsheviks managed to restore it twenty years later. I don't want that. And therefore, I can only comment on what I see, but in the order of the question, and not in terms of "fighting the regime", whatever it is, but since February 24 we are all in the same boat. And we all learned to write bitingly.

[Foul skeptic]

How it ended - right - the February Revolution

So this may be because

spies are sitting in the General Staff, the German queen, the king of a narrow-minded mind.

not from what

blazed the royal power

?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

but since February 24 we are all in the same boat.

Have we been in different boats before? This is the true goal of the NWO, in your opinion, to put everyone in the same boat? Well, that's a rather clumsy performance.

[victor50]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

but since February 24 we are all in the same boat.

And before that? And now it doesn't look like it.

[Snail N9]

"What is the real purpose of the NWO?" "What is the real purpose?" Who in their right mind can say it? Some guess, very few know it for sure, but no one will voice it. Because they do not want to "get" under the distribution, after that. Live what is poured into your ears from the official media, consider that this is the way it is .... you will sleep more peacefully ....

[fiberboard]

All these cases with the SVO showed the complete inability of our government to solve problems. Instead of doing all this at once in 2014, they entered into some kind of intrigue, negotiations. Negotiations with those with whom it is impossible to agree. You can negotiate as much as you like with those who do not keep their word. It was necessary to prepare 300-500 thousand volunteers and in the spring of 2014 send them to the Donbass. There are experienced people, since the collapse of the Union we have been fighting on the outskirts. Yanukovych, the legally elected president, we have. There was also a reason to start a war after the Odessa tragedy. And the losses would be less, and there would be legality. And now? Incomprehensible SVO, specific targets are not indicated. And the goal should be one - the liquidation of the state of Ukraine and the Nazis. The conclusion I made was this: our government did not help the republics because they were afraid that Ukraine would turn into a second Belarus, only more powerful. And our rulers look very pale compared to the Old Man. Having almost nothing but forests and swamps, the Old Man managed to provide the population with a fairly high standard of living. And our bosses managed, having a rich country, to ensure the growth of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the population. Now the SVO itself. Its beginning speaks of a low level of intelligence, the SBU and Western intelligence services outplayed Naryshkin's department outright. These are all Gelendvagens with majors from the special services. The NWO is increasingly turning into a war, but the authorities do not want to carry out mobilization. Because with such a level of support for the president and love for our people's authorities, this may end sadly for them. An example is 1917.

[ammunition]

Quote: fiberboard

the authorities do not want to carry out mobilization.

IMHO .. Partial mobilization (call from the reserve of 300-400 tons) was possible in March. Now (in six months), .. the population will "meet" the mobilization with active .. or even fierce protest and complete sabotage. IMHO..

[Glory1974]

Partial mobilization (conscription of 300-400 thousand people from the reserve) was possible in March. Now (in six months), .. the population will "meet" the mobilization with active .. or even fierce protest and complete sabotage.

Mobilization is underway, only hidden, under the guise of volunteering. About 50 battalions of volunteers are being formed across the country. And it seems that they do not experience a lack of people.

[victor50]

Quote: glory1974

50 volunteer battalions

25 thousand people?! That will fundamentally change. The need, according to the assumptions of Vyacheslav, whom you oppose, is 300-400 thousand 25 thousand, I believe, can be found in the current Armed Forces, without additional conscription, mobilization.

[EvilLion]

Yes, psychiatric clinics were not opened enough.

[alexey sidykin]

One thing surprises me ... they talk about mobilization when we don’t even have conscripts involved ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

when we don’t even have conscripts involved ...

Throwing conscripts to war means incurring huge losses. What can you learn in the army in a year? Yes, and you need to be psychologically prepared to shoot at a person.

[alexey sidykin]

Yeah, and the mobilized are all ready ...

[Dimy4]

All these cases with the SVO showed the complete inability of our government to solve problems

I absolutely agree with you, but it is clear that faith in a good king is still strong in Russia and some will not reach it in any way (the reaction to the comment is negative, they shout cheers, we will throw hats on everyone), that all power is one bunch of keys.

[Repellent]

Quote: Dimy4

all power is one bunch of keys

Have you ever changed the key in a bunch? And two? And more?

[Dimy4]

Have you ever changed the key in a bunch? And two? And more? wink laughing

And this will be another bunch and they will no longer fit the old locks. Such are figurative associations.

[Repellent]

Quote: Dimy4

And this will be another bunch and they will no longer fit the old locks

Well, why ... The lock is old, the cylinder is new

[Dimy4]

Well, why ... The lock is old, the cylinder is new laughing

And here we are again returning to the beginning, since we think figuratively, we can take the old castle for a group of people that governs the country, through what seems to be an elected leader, and in this case, changing the cylinder, that is, the leader, will not play a special role.

[Repellent]

Quote: Dimy4

we can take the old castle for a group of people that governs the country, through what seems to be an elected leader, and in this case, changing the cylinder, that is, the leader, will not play a special role

I have a slightly different model:

- The castle is the Ministry. Well, or the Central Bank, for example
- key - head of the ministry
- cylinder - a set of key employees of the ministry.

The head of the country (with some degree of freedom limited by laws) can change the "keys". Keys change for themselves "cylinders". Locks are rarely changed, when changing the key - as a rule, they do not change.

So it is in reality, if you want - challenge

[Dimy4]

the castle is the Ministry. Well, or the Central Bank, for example
- key - head of the ministry
- cylinder - a set of key employees of the ministry.

But we can agree with such a model, if the key (minister) does not fit, then the pins (employees) will not move. But there is one radical option - a crowbar, or a good drill. Well, everything is figurative, as they say, but the meaning ...

[Repellent]

Quote: Dimy4

if the key (minister) does not fit, then the pins (employees) will not move

You are inattentive.

Quote: Repellent

Keys change for themselves "cylinders"

Which implies, of course, the replacement of "pins". To move

[Dimy4]

Not always, for example, Roskosmos, here is a very recent leader (key), that did not fit this cylinder in any way, his pins are specific. My opinion.

[Repellent]

Quote: Dimy4

Not always

This is the particular I was talking about, how it can and should be.

Rogozin, on the other hand, came to approximately the same job as Serdyukov at one time. It was not a key, but a cone

[Per se.]

Quote: fiberboard

Because with such a level of support for the president and love for our people's authorities, this may end sadly for them. An example is 1917.

Vladimir, the authorities received tremendous support and consolidation of society when Putin announced the recognition of the DPR and LPR, the beginning of the SVO, with its demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.
On that day, it seemed, looking at the TV screen, that before us was again a communist and a KGB officer, and the country should return to people's power and a planned economy.

It turns out that we "haven't even started yet", despite the fact that after February 24 shelling of Donetsk continues and there were shelling of Russian territory. Every day of hostilities is an expense, a loss. Who benefits, who profits? Of course, these are not our ordinary soldiers and the people's militia of Donbass who receive dividends from the war, but rather, fellow oligarchs.

If in Kyiv the Nazis are in power and criminals, how can one negotiate with them, how could one negotiate with Nazi Germany and Hitler in the same way, instead of taking Berlin?
The power is dark, the rating has been raised, and what's next? Blitzkrieg failed, even the "Finnish war" will soon appear shorter and more successful (from November 30, 1939 to March 13, 1940). At the same time, we must remember that the squeezed out Karelia, but not finished off Finland, will return to us with a new problem with Hitler's attack.

Probably, everything is going according to plan, but not according to the plan of our henpecked world capitalists, but divine (let's say so). The time of capitalism and the bourgeoisie in Russia is ending, and, in any case, now in the NWO. No one will ever forgive failure or deceit.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Per se.

Probably, everything is going according to plan, but not according to the plan of our henpecked world capitalists, but divine (let's say so). The time of capitalism and the bourgeoisie in Russia is ending, and, in any case, now in the NWO. No one will ever forgive failure or deceit.

What are you speaking about?
This is just the beginning...

In general, I believe that every Russian is obliged to decide in his choice - on whose side he is. Daripaska or Tinkova...
This is the most important task of this period!

[vitvit123]

For the "dad" - it would be better to remain silent ...
What is the standard of living there? Are you here or when? And the level that is, where did it come from, do you understand? And if you do not understand, then first understand, and then write. The entire absolute existence of the territory called Belarus occurs solely thanks to Russia and at the expense of Russia! If not the Russian market, cheap Russian resources, Russian loans, etc. etc. there would be no "life" in that territory.

[your1970]

Quote: fiberboard

Instead of doing it all at once in 2014

Were there strengths and grandmas?

Quote: fiberboard

300-500 thousand volunteers

What to equip? From what d / allowance to pay?

Quote: fiberboard

And our rulers look very pale compared to the Old Man. Having almost nothing but forests and swamps, the Old Man managed to provide the population with a fairly high standard of living.

Well yes....
Only now the local population draws up a Pole card for themselves and travels to the EU to work ...
And also - so you remember - in the Republic of Belarus, very few products are exported. Moreover, they go mainly to the Russian Federation.
Nobody in the world really needs MAZs, for example, even us ..
And it’s also wonderful to fill the budget - having received gas at 60, immediately resell it directly in the pipe to the EU at 90 ...
And still resell the sanction with a 2-fold markup ...
There are many nuances in getting wild dough from the Russian Federation to the budget of the Republic of Belarus

[mikh-korsakov]

Gelendvagens across your throat? As I understand it, if you were allowed to power, you would be driving around on the "nine". By the way, there was one such, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin. I ran into a trolleybus with all the guards in Moscow, made a crush there. But from this he became a ladies' idol and after a short time drove what he wanted

[Gardamir]

Gelendvagens across your throat?

We are talking about mass rides on heliks, graduates of the FSB Academy.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gardamir

We are talking about mass rides on heliks, graduates of the FSB Academy.

At the FSB academy, they probably didn’t get it into their heads that Chekists should not stand out from the crowd and somehow attract attention to themselves.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Gardamir

about mass rides on heliks, graduates of the FSB Academy.

So they kind of rented helika. Everyone celebrates graduation in their own way. Some schools even had traditions before. For example, someone there polished eggs for a bronze horse at night.

[Dante Alighieri]

Personally, I support the opinion of Vladimir Vasilyevich Kvachkov that the NVO, precisely as a special operation, ended with stage 1, when it was not possible to impudently take Kyiv (well, or force the Zelensky government to flee), after that, ordinary military operations began with overcoming fortified areas, grinding opponents, etc. .d. So the abbreviation now applied to everything that is happening is not entirely correct and is applied rather by inertia - for lack of a better one (including in the legal plane). In essence, the targeted use of limited forces represented exclusively by professional military personnel, which is what the word "special" implies, has not been discussed for a long time, as is eloquently evidenced by both the accelerated formation of "volunteer" battalions and the very scale of the database.

[military_cat]

Quote: Dante

applied rather by inertia

Not out of inertia, but because 280.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (up to five years) and 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (up to fifteen years).

[tralflot1832]

Even Ze is clear what negotiations with Russia are! This is the CAPITULATION of Ukraine on our terms. Therefore, he issues absurd decrees, engaged in nuclear blackmail. Yes, we are for negotiations! This is for the West, not for us. We are peaceful people, but our armored train is standing on siding. True, now it is not heated with coal. Ukraine is just a bargaining chip for the West, they are ready to negotiate, but their conditions do not suit us absolutely. The West knows perfectly well what we need from them. we are the first. But they have already begun to consider what this will lead to, this is already encouraging.

[Eug]

Offer "new" Ukraine Medvedchuk, Tsarev and AzIrov? That's definitely bullying...

[Egoza]

Quote: Eug

Offer "new" Ukraine Medvedchuk, Tsarev and AzIrov? That's definitely bullying...

Don't roll a barrel against Azarov! The only prime minister who really worked and pulled out the dilapidated economy of Ukraine. And to use his mangled last name, as they came up with in the 95th quarter, speaks of your level of intelligence.

[Reptiloid]

For some reason, the ongoing events resemble what preceded the destruction of Yugoslavia. Actually, it was always clear what I wrote about earlier, that at that time there was a rehearsal, the destruction to pieces of the multinational Slavic Empire was practiced. There was no application to the Russian Federation because of nuclear weapons --- Stalin's legacy.
Only Serbs and Russians managed to build a multinational state. And very much these 2 states infuriated the whole West, it was these territories that the West lacked.

who owns the Heartland - owns the world

This was stated by the Englishman Mackinder more than 100 years ago, meaning the territory of Russia. Even before Bismarck

who owns the Balkans --- owns Europe, and who owns Europe --- owns the world

In both cases, that the actions of Broz Tito, in relation to the Albanians, that Russia and Western Ukraine, this can be characterized ----

a coat was sewn to a button

Conditions were created for Russia when it could not but start the NWO. And there were provocations against Yugoslavia and the Serbs were then demonized in a very similar way, as now the Russians are now.
Yes, the West does not care about Ukraine, there is a war between the West and Russia, for which the West has been preparing for a long time.

[Adagka]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Eug

Offer "new" Ukraine Medvedchuk, Tsarev and AzIrov? That's definitely bullying...

Don't roll a barrel against Azarov! The only prime minister who really worked and pulled out the dilapidated economy of Ukraine. And to use his mangled last name, as they came up with in the 95th quarter, speaks of your level of intelligence.

[alexey sidykin]

And some people have it... since I was in the government of Yanuka or the Party of Regions, that means a bastard for sure. I met with such people.

[Mavrikiy]

military operation in general does not provide for the complete liquidation of Ukraine like states. But then what are these plans?

Are you for the destruction of Ukraine? Well, God be your judge... Yes, let it be, someone must pay the debts to the West, and to us. Only to Russia it should return Novorossiya.

[ammunition]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Only to Russia it should return Novorossiya.

There are such concepts as - Faith, meanings and goals. And in the war, the people must understand and accept both goals and meanings .. and believe. At the moment, faith is very undermined .. Even such popular propagandists as Mikheev .. have almost ceased to appear in the CBO topic.
And vice versa - in Ukraine, the goals and meanings are simple and understandable to the people - ".. exactly at 4 o'clock .. Kyiv was bombed, they announced to us .. that the war had begun "
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The main thing ! What to do ? .. and I'm already doing .. as much as I have the strength - I'm doing it. I turn in prayers to the Holy patrons and defenders of the unity of the Church and Russian statehood..

[jdiver]

The West will pay off the debts of Ukraine out of the 300 billion that our financial authorities have prepared for him on a plate for confiscation.

[parusnik]

According to the idea, sooner or later Ukraine, which suffers great human and financial losses and the Western “partners” supporting it, also bearing considerable economic costs, will not stand this war to the bone and agree to peace on Russian terms.

On what terms? Recognition of Crimea and Donbas for Russia? And then what? There will be borders that, for example, the West recognizes, Ukraine will throw off weights in the form of Donbass and Crimea, breathe a sigh of relief, and with new borders will be accepted into NATO and the EU. Russophobia and Nazism in Ukraine with new borders will be further developed, plus, a sense of revenge. The weak pro-Russian sprouts of the opposition will be trampled down. The enemy will be worse than Poland. Two exits, the complete annexation of Ukraine, for which there will not be enough strength. The second, the creation of a second Ukraine, a union of people's republics, although in order for it to be fully capable, it is necessary to deprive Ukraine, access to the sea, completely.

[jdiver]

The Ukraine project has been created for many decades and even centuries for the sake of its current finest hour - to use it as a battering ram against Russia. For the sake of this, the whole false history was created with the Mazepa traitors as national heroes and with epics about the hard-working ancient ukrov. And now, for centuries, the owner of the project has been creating this knife against the Russians, for the last 30 years he has been forging a blade, for the last 8 years he has honed the cutting edge to the maximum sharpness, and suddenly he will bury this tool ... Even the very presence of people who believe in such tales about the fact that The Ukrainian wild boar was fattened not to be slaughtered for a holiday with the maximum yield of useful for the owner, but for his (boar) long and happy life.

[Foul skeptic]

project owner

Name, sister, name! ©

[jdiver]

Let's call it as it is customary in our propaganda: the "collective West".

[haron]

Quote: parusnik

Second, the creation of a second Ukraine, a union of people's republics, although in order for it to be fully capable, it is necessary to completely deprive Ukraine of access to the sea.

And how is it different from yours?

Quote: parusnik

Russophobia and Nazism in Ukraine with new borders will be further developed, plus a sense of revenge. Weak pro-Russian opposition shoots will be trampled down. The enemy will be worse than Poland.

You are unwilling or unable to admit that for now the only chance to not make Ukraine an enemy worse than Poland and all the Baltics combined is to return to the borders of 24.2. and then speak. Maybe not quite close, but close. Take Odessa - yes, even seagulls will tear you into a vest, it’s impossible to think of anything worse for Russians (and not Russians). And how to take Odessa?? 25 baht in groups?
If you really want to be sincere, then to the end.

[nikvic46]

When you talk about ideology, most people understand it as political propaganda. But this is primarily culture, industry, and science. And all this should serve people, ordinary people. All this is now working in a cabal. A simple person is literally moved away from everything. Politics should suit everyone. And those who were born after 91, and those Soviet people who created the power of the current state. You can’t live all the time pushing others with your elbows "- Vladimir Zeldin. This wonderful man lived with his wife in an apartment of 27,8 square meters. Although, if he wanted, he would have mansions. To live without infringing on others should be the main thing in our country.

[Repellent]

Quote: nikvic46

To live without prejudice to others, and should be the main thing in our country

Say it, for example, lis-ik. He buys and sells on products in Moscow, an exploiter and a speculator, if in your terminology.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: nikvic46

states. "You can't live all the time pushing others with your elbows" - Vladimir Zeldin. This wonderful man lived with his wife in an apartment of 27,8 square meters.

This wonderful person, when other actors rushed to the front and sobbed from the fact that they were not allowed to dance, danced for joy because of the armor issued ... and the apartment ... and who had mansions? Lanovoy maybe? Or Papanov?

[Mavrikiy]

And what will happen if the United States, Britain and their allies, and Ukraine completely controlled by them, which is supplied by the collective West, do not agree to Russia's conditions?

And it is not necessary. Then we will go to Kyiv and dictate terms to the West from there.

that “Ukrainian authorities will not survive even until winter” - in the same publications that since 2014 have been talking about how “Ukraine will freeze and fall apart.”

And the fact that the West will freeze and fall apart, do not consider? His farm burned down, just in winter they will have nothing to eat. France, Italy, Germany....

[military_cat]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And the fact that the West will freeze and fall apart, do not consider?

The author considered and rightly noted that this discourse flows from the same sources that in 2014 said that Ukraine would freeze and fall apart. By the way, didn't you pay attention to it?

Then we'll go to Kyiv

Haven't gone already?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And it is not necessary. Then we will go to Kyiv and dictate terms to the West from there.

yes, I remember the classic

“Until we win the war,” Schweik remarked.

- Such a lackey batman will win! - the separated one answered from the corner. - To the front, to drive you into the trenches on bayonets, to hell, on wire fences, into wolf pits, against mortars. Everyone knows how to cool off in the rear, but no one wants to die at the front.

[aslanxnumx]

In Europe, there are problems with water due to drought, but we already have problems with water every day.

[Negro]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And it is not necessary. Then we will go to Kyiv and dictate terms to the West from there.

Or the West will smash Crimea first, then Belarus, and then it will start to find out where there are others who want to join the people's republics.

Quote: Mavrikiy

His farm burned down, just in winter they will have nothing to eat

If someone has nothing to eat, then it will not be the West.

Quote: Mavrikiy

And the fact that the West will freeze and fall apart, do not consider?

No. The policy of the West in these six months is quite successful for Russia. Changes for the worse for Russia are more likely than changes for the better. That is, the conditional arrest of Schroeder is more likely than cutting off the northern streams and lifting sanctions.

[Expert_Analyst_Forecaster]

If a compromise cannot be reached (and so far there is no sign that it will be possible to achieve it)? Is there another plan for this?

And who said that a compromise is being sought at all? In my opinion, there are goals that, due to their cynicism (which is not bad for politics), are not announced. And these goals are being achieved. Difficulties and problems force us to change tactics, but the strategic goal remains the same - to remove the former Ukraine from the political scene. Completely and forever.
Well, what politician will say about such goals directly?
And yes, as a result - full control over the territory of the former Ukraine. In what form is not yet clear. Some regions will become part of the Russian Federation. Some may form countries independent of the West.
It is stupid to raise a panic that Putin has not publicly announced his goals and chewed up his plans for the future to the townsfolk. Politics is done quietly and not publicly.

[Scientist]

It is foolish not to clearly explain to people why they should die. Politics is being done quietly, but there is a war here, and not so much with Ukoaina as with the West. And in a war there must be a clear, understandable goal. For the sake of which you can endure hardship, and even death. Otherwise - defeat.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: U. Cheny

Politics is being done quietly, but there is a war here, and not so much with Ukoaina as with the West.

War is war, and no one touches the gas pipeline through the territory of Ukraine, through which gas goes to Europe. Neither ours, nor they .. here's a war for you!

[Scientist]

So this is what we're talking about. Or we are at war with the Nazis, or for someone else's business interests. And the lack of clear formulations and consistent actions just give rise to these doubts.

[aslanxnumx]

We are fighting for business interests. This is an axiom

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: U. Cheny

So this is what we're talking about. Or we are at war with the Nazis, or for someone else's business interests.

that's why I agree with Strelkov, that now, it all looks like the First World War ... and a lot of what is happening is right on Hasek's Schweik

[Sotskiy]

Quote: U. Cheny

So this is what we're talking about. Or we are at war with the Nazis, or for someone else's business interests.

Quote: U. Cheny

So this is what we're talking about. Or we are at war with the Nazis, or for someone else's business interests.

You yourself have answered your own question.
The Russian Federation is fighting the Nazis for someone's business interests, because. The dictatorship of the proletariat ended in 1991.
And now what kind of ruling class is in power in the Russian Federation?
And all this talk about the "Russian world" is nothing more than another speculation on nationalist sentiments.
"Russian World" ended with Yeltsin's speech in the US Congress with the phrase: "God save America."
By the way, was the second Yeltsin Center completed for this patriot free from the communist "yoke" of Russia?

[haron]

Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

And yes, as a result - full control over the territory of the former Ukraine.

Don't you find that even a continuation of the attempt to remove Ukraine from the field will give the West the fullest right to remove the Russian Federation from the same field. And as the West was convinced, it will not become dear to him. Believe me, unlike GDP, the West definitely "didn't even start."

[77alex77]

Only a nuclear strike on Britain and there will be negotiations, but Britain is not needed. The dream of Napoleon and Hitler comes true

[Morris812]

I think you are in vain considering the NWO as some kind of spherical NWO in a vacuum. Meanwhile, "SVO" is just one of the theaters in the Great War against the so-called "collective West". And this "SVO" will end only when the Great War ends. It can end only with the fall of one of the participants, yes. And of the participants, on the one hand, we have the United States + Europe, and on the other hand, so far only Russia, but also China are trying to drag. In our world, after all, now capitalism is everywhere, and capitalism needs to expand, but there is nowhere to expand, which means that someone needs to be vacated. So now the competitors-capitalists are fighting for a place in the sun: the old Americans, and the Europeans with the young Russia and the Chinese, plus the Asian and Arab shoots are pressing on their heels.

[Repellent]

Quote: Morris812

I think you are in vain considering the NWO as some kind of spherical NWO in a vacuum. Meanwhile, "SVO" is just one of the theaters in the Great War against the so-called "collective West". And this "SVO" will end only when the Great War ends

So far so good.

Quote: Morris812

It can only end with the fall of one of the participants, yes

Not necessarily.

Quote: Morris812

capitalism needs to expand, but there is nowhere to expand, which means you need someone in order to free up space. So now capitalist competitors are fighting for a place in the sun: old Americans, yes Europeans with young Russians and Chinese

And this is bullshit.

[Kuziming]

The West has been preparing this proxy war for a long time, and first we will consider the conflict model from the side of the conditional West.

1. Goals. Weaken Russia, change the government to a fully controlled one, get direct access to resources.
Thus, postponing economic collapse and the loss of world dominance.

2. Methods. Following the model of the Yugoslav conflict, set some Slavs against others; achieve maximum human casualties on both sides; destroy the Russian economy, cause internal unrest. Then hold an international trial like the trial of Milosevic.

3. Model. It was impossible to blindly copy the destruction of Yugoslavia, since Russia effectively blocked the main military trump card of NATO by creating an advanced air defense force.
If not for these systems, we would have been bombed by NATO forces.
Therefore, in this conflict, it was decided to work according to the Afghan version, waging a proxy war with the maximum pumping of weapons and sending instructors.

Russia's position. Diplomatic methods failed to stop the war and achieve good neighborly relations with Kyiv. According to the classics, it was necessary to build a "second Ukraine", "Ukraine of a healthy person". But both the western and eastern parts of this country were structured only on the basis of bandit clans, unfortunately.
It was not possible to create a pro-Russian party.

As a result, when Ukraine went 99% of the way from friendship to war, at the last stage, Russia took the initiative and struck first.
Stalin was scolded for knowing about the attack, but not using this knowledge, for "fighting provocations." Putin turned out to be more enterprising here. "If the process cannot be stopped, it must be led."

It should be recognized that from 2014 to the present, Russia has not had a proxy war plan.

Now let's look at the participants in the conflict.
First of all, these are NATO countries. Participation features are:
- transfer of weapons, military information, economic assistance;
- sending instructors, training Ukrainian soldiers on their territory;
- economic sanctions.

All countries that donate their resources and bear the economic costs of war move from outsiders to participants.

Thus, a more weighty coalition has now been assembled against us than in the times of Napoleon and Hitler.

What didn't go according to NATO's plan:

1. The Ukrainian army turned out to be more capable of army combat than of guerrilla warfare. The pattern of the conflict is more reminiscent of the First World War near Verdun than the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. And supplying heavy weapons is both more difficult and expensive. The logistics of military assistance turned out to be two orders of magnitude more difficult.

2. The Russian economy turned out to be more stable than expected. Even a complete rejection of dollars does not frighten Russia.

3. The color revolution in Russia has not started.
The social structure of society turned out to be more stable than expected.

4. Sanctions exposed the real problem of the global economic crisis.

The arrest of Russia's external debt killed the dollar system based on inflated numbers and trust in virtual money.


5. Russia, by trial and error, found the right line of conduct for the military part of the conflict. The army showed that it was not afraid of a protracted war, that it was capable of gradually advancing without the mobilization of large masses of the population. The military-civilian administrations are restoring the infrastructure in the liberated territory, integrating the inhabitants of the former Ukraine into the Russian space. In fact, the process of the revival of the empire started spontaneously.

Now about what are the real reserves.

1. Transfer of industry to war footing.

2. Prevention of social discontent. It is necessary to optimize the parasitic layer in public administration.
There are a lot of those who teach doctors how to treat, teachers how to teach, builders how to build and so on. So that these comrades do not terrorize the structures they manage, it would be good to gradually and quietly transfer them to the solution of practical problems.

3. Prevention of falling living standards. It is necessary to support small businesses focused on food supply, the development of modern technologies, and the fight against unemployment.

Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated.
Victory will be ours!

[Repellent]

Quote from Kuziming

The West has been preparing this proxy war for a long time ...

Cool, I agree with every word.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote from Kuziming

The Russian economy turned out to be more stable than expected.

However, the aircraft have already begun to be dismantled for parts (https://lenta.ru/news/2022/08/09/razborka/). Apparently, soon civil aviation will rise.

[aslanxnumx]

Adhesive sealant cost 400 rubles, now 900 rubles. Automobile oil 285 rubles per liter, now 650 rubles per liter. White bull from a fairy tale to reality

[Glory1974]

Adhesive sealant cost 400 rubles, now 900 rubles.

Maybe somewhere like that. But I bought roofing sealant at Leroy, they were 280-300, but I decided to take an expensive, rubber one for 600. So Leroy (not advertising) has it at the old price.

[Nastia makarova]

Boeing lifted sanctions on its spare parts

[Comrade I]

Attach the link, please (I'm not saying anything, maybe it really is).

[Nastia makarova]

https://ria.ru/20220721/es-1804051368.html

[ban]

There are a lot of those who teach doctors how to treat, teachers how to teach, builders how to build and so on. So that these comrades do not terrorize the structures they manage, it would be good to gradually and quietly transfer them to the solution of practical problems.

I’ll clarify a little - in penal companies on the front of parasites

[kor1vet1974]

1. Transfer of industry to war footing.

What industry specifically? What types of industry? Military-industrial complex, works in three shifts without days off.

2. Prevention of social discontent. It is necessary to optimize the parasitic layer in public administration.

Do you propose dispossessing the oligarchs?

3. Prevention of falling living standards.

Prices are rising day by day, purchasing power is falling. How are you going to limit the rise in prices and raise the standard of living? For your information, the land is mainly in Russia, owned by five agro-industrial companies. Are you going to take their land and give it to the peasants? Who will develop modern technologies and at what expense? Create a new machine tool industry in Russia, how? Explain.

[Kuziming]

Point by point:
1. Industry.
- We have long needed a base for the production of our own microprocessors and other hardware. This must be done, and not from the realities of market demand, but on the basis of the state plan. Benefit is not considered here, it is a matter of survival. Not necessarily ultra-modern chips, let the size be larger, this is not critical.
- Accordingly, communication and information display systems, reconnaissance complexes based on their element base.
- heavy infantry fighting vehicles in real quantities.
- flying and crawling reconnaissance and strike drones.
Crawling for combat in urban areas.
I beg your pardon, but I cannot bring the task to the level of each brigade and workshop, not the level of knowledge of information.
2. The question is not to dispossess the oligarchs. Just limit the efforts of effective managers to manage state employees. There are many children of their fathers in the administration, to give them specific tasks that are not related to the overstrain of existing structures. Let them do something useful.
3. Prevention of falling living standards.
- to replace migrants with domestic personnel. These are very corrupt structures, where therapeutic methods are indispensable, it is necessary to stupidly close many shops.
- reduce the pressure of regulatory authorities on firms associated with agriculture, construction, landscaping and landscaping.

Now about the restoration of the machine tool industry in Russia.
Yes, it needs to be restored. As far as I know, the process is underway. China did it, and we can.

[Ivan Pchelin]

Don't have any illusions about microelectronics. Here is an explanation, honest and competent: https://youtu.be/GwsJphhx1YI

[haron]

Quote: Ivan Pchelin

Don't have any illusions about microelectronics.

Life without illusions is boring)))
I will add that until May, not a small part of the crystals and circuits for "you know what" continued to be supplied from 404. Then the SBU said they chatted and woke up. There are no analogues in the Russian Federation and there will not be. The Chinese do not even come close to withstand temperature conditions, not to mention the radiation background ... do you understand why a spoon is expensive?

[Diana Ilyina]

Bravo!!! Your comment is more informative than the article itself!

[Spatel]

This is the nonsense of a senior sergeant ...

[Heaven]

The only plan that is visible is that in winter Europe will freeze, experience an unprecedented economic crisis and go to all the conditions of Russia under the pressure of its impoverished and freezing population. Including the lifting of sanctions and the end of support for Ukraine.

What will happen if this does not happen, it is not clear? What if they don’t freeze and endure the winter? This is 3-4 months in total and Russia is not the only supplier. This is not to mention the fact that in addition to Europe, Ukraine is supplied with weapons by the United States, Canada, Great Britain, etc., which do not depend on Russian energy sources at all.

On a purely military front, even the liberation of Donbass is not visible until the autumn thaw. Ahead are months and years of positional pushing, artillery shelling, maneuvers. The cannon fodder called up in February for mobilization in Ukraine is now soldiers with six months of experience in participating in hostilities. By spring, while maintaining the current pace of knocking out manpower, Ukraine will still have at least several hundred thousand soldiers with a year's experience in military operations. It is against them that those mobilized in Russia will have to fight.

If the plan of the SVO was to enter into a long-term war of attrition with the collective West, which in this war, unlike Russia, does not suffer losses in people, but only in the economy, then everything went like clockwork.

[Virtual]

100 pounds will endure. Nothing unites like a common enemy (this may not apply to the French).

[Stirbjorn]

Quote from Heaven

What will happen if this does not happen, it is not clear? What if they don’t freeze and endure the winter?

In the spring, there were hopes among the jingoists that China, following Russia, would begin its operation with Taiwan. But he took China ... and did not start the operation!

[Mustached Kok]

Even if we take into account the fact that China would not have attacked, at least in the experience that in the XNUMXth century there were even hotter conflicts between China and Taiwan, but this did not lead to war.
The question is, why should China "follow us" and attack Taiwan?

Why did all the jingoists, and even some politicians, begin to think that China MUST join? do we have a military alliance? Have we announced a program of unified political planning? Have we announced the creation of a close military-political alliance? NO! All this is not! Russia and China have their own policies, friendly negotiations are conducted only on the basis that we have a common competitor, the United States.

But the presence of a common competitor does not make us "friends forever". You YOURSELF imagined that they SHOULD go step by step with us, and then you are surprised and dissatisfied that they act in their own way !!!! Although they have been acting in their own way since the 60s, because they see that their goals and ours are different!

[Snail N9]

China "did not attack" ... But how it stuck to our resources. He’s already chewing with pleasure - the nishtyaks themselves went into his mouth, and he also grimaces at the public - he won’t do it at this price, it’s so-so for him, he won’t go for it otherwise the EU market and the US will lose ....

[Mustached Kok]

"rests on our resources" - what kind of forest, for example? This is because we sell it ourselves. We have only recently thought of regulating timber. And before that, they themselves offered to the whole world, and then they accused the buyers that they dared, sorry for the tautology, they bought this forest from us.
If it would be cheaper to buy wood from Canadians than from us, they would buy from Canada.
In general, it is strange to throw off the problem of selling on the buyer. It's like fighting drugs not by looking for manufacturers and dealers, but by finding and capturing potential buyers.

[jdiver]

and it can also be assumed that the crisis that Europe has flown into will give rise to hundreds of thousands and millions of hungry unemployed in the near future, and that it was also created so that when this happens, all these crowds who have already been brainwashed by the story of insidious and vile Russia guilty of their troubles, were ready to pack for the new Eastern Front - to go for all the good things for the elves against the orcs from Mordor. And if the West will crumble, then there will definitely be those who will direct this stream of "volunteers" in our direction.

[Virtual]

This plan was based on incorrect assessments of the operational situation and eventually led to a number of tragedies, such as, for example, the death of a Russian special forces detachment in Kharkov on February 27.

It is from such moments of bestial attitude towards one's own that doubts grow in the success of the NWO in principle.

[AVESSALOM]

To summarize briefly, it turned out to be crap.

[Heaven]

Quote from Kuziming

Russia, by trial and error, found the right line of conduct for the military part of the conflict. The army showed that it was not afraid of a protracted war, that it was capable of gradually advancing without the mobilization of large masses of the population.

Remove the territorial gains of the first weeks, obtained as a result of a surprise attack. Take the card for April 1, 2022. Compare with the card for August 16, 2022. With such a pace of progress, even the Donbass will have to be liberated for several years. And the whole of Ukraine for several decades. Is this the right line?

In 2022, in the presence of modern aviation, MLRS, satellites, communications, and armored vehicles, groping for WWI tactics is a bit of a strange achievement for strategists.

[aglet]

"This is a bit of a strange achievement for strategists."
what strategists, where did you see them? Shoigu? or VGK itself?

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

How will it all end in the end?

[aglet]

"How will it all end in the end?"
Brest peace

[Snail N9]

As one smart person called it, "obscene world." But this is at best. And, at worst .... there are two options: very bad for Russia and very bad for the whole world.

[Adagka]

As rightly noted in the article, it was not for this that the Western bourgeoisie went to multi-billion losses in order to quickly finish everything. They will fight to the last Ukrainian, and this stuff in ukroreikh is still in bulk. Well, there’s nothing to say about our elite, they’ve been preparing for 8 years to screw up again and now we have what we have.

[aslanxnumx]

And why only Western bourgeois

[Ustian Amster_2]

Well, I don’t know, the sane on the other side have more and more panic.

[military_cat]

Try to imagine for a second that all the talk about panic from the other side is banal propaganda.

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Everything, a second has passed, you can exhale.

[Adagka]

Quote: Eug

Offer "new" Ukraine Medvedchuk, Tsarev and AzIrov? That's definitely bullying...

Well, what did you want? Like tends to like. These are the domestic Medveduchki and scribbled reports that we would be greeted with flowers and that we would take Kyiv in a week. All this shobla would be sent to uranium mines, but this is already bees against honey.

[Hindu]

There will be no concessions from the West. There is no plan. The Kremlin will keep its "doors open" to the last and express its momentary "readiness for dialogue." I believe that by winter, dear partners will bend their own. Everyday news about the supply of weapons from around the world to Ukraine is preparing the ground for society under the thesis "you see, we are at war with the whole world." Well, it's not shameful for the whole world to lose.

[Repellent]

Quote: Hindu

There will be no concessions from the West. No plan

Can you prove it, or la-la?

Quote: Hindu

The Kremlin will keep the "doors open" to the last and express a momentary "readiness for dialogue"

Yeah. On his own, the Kremlin's terms. And what - always ready!

Quote: Hindu

I believe that by winter, dear partners will bend their

What is the assumption based on? And what exactly is "own" "partners bent"?

Quote: Hindu

Well, it’s not shameful for the whole world to lose

Well, judging by some statements by NATO defense ministers, it is "the whole world" that is merging

[Nastia makarova]

if we lose, then there will be no Russia

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

if we lose, then there will be no Russia

General Ivashov spoke about such a probability back in early February, before the NWO.

[Dedok]

yes, the muddy case is visible - after 6 months: the tasks and goals are not clear.
And the ways to achieve these goals are not at all clear.

[Wildcat]

There is only one question - what will happen if the United States, Britain and their allies, and Ukraine completely controlled by them, which is supplied by the collective West, do not agree to Russia's conditions? If a compromise cannot be reached (and so far there is no sign that it will be possible to achieve it)? Is there another plan for this?

Asked - we answer!

"Dear comrades!
I want to say that the special military operation is proceeding in strict accordance with the schedule.
According to plan.
All assigned tasks are successfully solved."


Well, what else is not clear?

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

Well, what else is not clear?

Have you gone trolling?

[Wildcat]

Everything is a bit more complicated.

On the one hand, let's call it "protective-patriotic", the idea is put forward that
" andrewkor (Korchuganov Andrey)
Today, 04: 44
-4
NWO will reach its goals if it "reaches" the English Channel!"

On the other hand, let's call it "opposition" (which traditionally dumped abroad, like gunpowder smells), the idea is generally put forward "that Russia should lose to Ukraine".

"Drive to the English Channel" for obvious reasons will not work.
How the "Brest peace" or "withdrawal of the USSR from Afghanistan and the Warsaw Pact countries" ends is also known.

Therefore, IMHO, the best option would be "... the special military operation is proceeding in strict accordance with the schedule. According to the plan. All the assigned tasks are being successfully solved."
"Freeze the situation."
Try to find a political solution (perhaps even without signing documents) based on current realities.
After NG and March 2023, the situation will be very different, even in terms of finances.
If the situation does not change after 11.09 (this is a single voting day in the Russian Federation, if anyone does not remember. And elections are debates, candidates, different positions and different results, so to speak).

So once again, V.V. Putin and his "All assigned tasks are being successfully solved" better than "andrewkor (Korchuganov Andrey) NVO will achieve its goals if it "reaches" the English Channel!" or another "Brest peace and its consequences."
And I don't see any other options.

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

Everything is a little more complicated

Thanks, got it.

I wrote a long time ago that CBO is only a small part economic special operationand not an end in itself. And, if you look at it that way, then everything is really going according to plan. IMHO, of course

[Wildcat]

IMHO, NWO is a manifestation of internal processes in the Russian Federation.

Some time ago, I posted here links to 2 articles by the curator of "some processes in / in Ukraine", the writer and philosopher Surkov (who is now out of power ... and with the posted notes of "virgins of fun").
Surkov posted them (articles, not "maidens of fun") on the eve of the NWO.
Everything is explained there in Russian letters, in black and white.
It's funny, it seems that it was Surkov who introduced the term "contact diplomacy".

Read it, a little insulting, but interestingly written.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

in general, the idea "that the Russian Federation should lose to Ukraine" is put forward.

The option of a full-fledged loss to Russia in the Iraqi-Libyan scenario - with the execution of the political leadership, the introduction of an occupation administration and territorial transformations (the latter did not exist in Iraq and Libya) - is not yet being considered. The main "losing" option under discussion is a return to one's own borders and compensation for the damage. That is the "white world" in fact. And the fact that all sorts of patriots, at the mention of this issue, are fighting in epilepsy - so this is the work.

Quote: Wildcat

The special military operation is proceeding strictly according to the schedule. According to plan. All assigned tasks are successfully solved.

That is, how is it now?

Quote: Wildcat

And there are no other options

There are a lot of options - but they practically do not depend on the actions of the Russian Federation.

[Wildcat]

There are a lot of options - but they practically do not depend on the actions of the Russian Federation.

Hmm, IMHO, the "options" largely depend on the actions of the Russian Federation, and there is a whole spectrum here:
- from the "self-extinguishing" of actions to the level of clashes near the settlement of Udy, which has strategic and universal historical significance: "As a result of the offensive actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the settlement of Uda has been completely liberated," the report says.
- to the "correct image" of actions for Runov-Girkin-Strelkov, with mobilization "as it should" and further point by point.
I propose not to consider options involving ZNPP and other NPPs in order not to "multiply the number of entities." And in general - scary.

Option ... losing to Russia

unfortunately considered, for example - the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Which is unacceptable for internal political reasons for anyone in power in the Russian Federation.
This is considered acceptable by the “conditional opposition” (but it is no longer in the Russian Federation), which naively assumes that in this case the “conditional security forces” will “understand and repent,” and it, the opposition, will enter the Kremlin on a white, environmentally friendly horse.
The probability of meeting at the same time at the gates of the Kremlin Girkin with a machine gun (or in another place other, no less respected people with heavier weapons) for unknown reasons, is not considered by the "opposition".

The main "losing" option under discussion is a return to one's own borders and compensation for the damage. That is the "white world" in fact.

and who is now interested in the "white world"? RF?
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet demonstrated any capabilities "on the offensive", even the "plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for Kherson" have already been declared a military trick.
And how will the conditional operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Kherson" affect the Russian Federation? "...the fact that all sorts of patriots, at the mention of this issue, fight in epilepsy - so this is the work".

With the budget in the Russian Federation, everything is still within the normal range, the NWF has changed, but only slightly. The people are calm, the level of approval of the President of the Russian Federation is 78%, all "passionaries" (including "Runov") are under control.

Another question is what will happen in the fall, and after NG2023 and March 2023, when the oil embargo should also come into force - what will happen to the budget, the incomes of the population? Yes, and the control of "passionaries" as more and more new characters with weapons appear will be a non-trivial task.

That is, how is it now?

"as it is now" against the background of "Runov" - a strikingly restrained situation.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

and there is a whole spectrum

The Russian Federation may, as a gesture of goodwill, retreat wherever it sees fit. Options in the opposite direction are not very noticeable.

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with mobilization "as it should be" and further point by point.

Mobilization "as it should" will conditionally give a million TerOshnikov - since the preparation of the reserve "as it should" has never been carried out. The newly formed units may have some military significance in the summer campaign of 2023, hardly earlier.
By the way. If the T-62s are going into action anyway, how will this million be armed?

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considered, for example - APU

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet set tasks outside the borders of Ukraine.

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unacceptable for internal political reasons for anyone in power in the Russian Federation.

I do not see absolutely any internal political restrictions for the authorities of the Russian Federation.

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This is considered acceptable by the “conditional opposition” (but it is no longer in the Russian Federation), which naively assumes that in this case the “conditional security forces” will “understand and repent,” and it, the opposition, will enter the Kremlin on a white, environmentally friendly horse.

I don't know what kind of opposition you are dealing with. I don't know about any such plans.

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The probability of meeting at the same time at the gates of the Kremlin Girkin with a machine gun (or elsewhere, no less respected people with heavier weapons)

There is hardly any chance of such a development of events. Everyone who now praises the invincible and legendary army will praise the wise and invariably peaceful policy in the morning. It's a problem for me too. Actually, in 2014-15, we have already seen about this.

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and who is now interested in the "white world"? RF?
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet demonstrated any capabilities "on the offensive", even the "plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for Kherson" have already been declared a military trick.

Yes, that's right. So far, the Russian side believes that the state of affairs can improve for it, precisely because the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not show any offensive capabilities. The Ukrainian side thinks exactly the same thing, only on the contrary. The Grand Ramstein Coalition does not consider anything, it will be satisfied with any option.
The special military operation will continue until this situation changes.

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And how will the conditional operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Kherson" affect the Russian Federation?

Depends on details. As I said above, the interest of the Russian side in the continuation of the NMD is based on the confidence that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot attack - that is, the Russian Federation will definitely not lose anything from the current line, except as "goodwill gestures." If this situation changes, the view of the leadership of the Russian Federation on the situation will also change.

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What will happen to the budget, incomes of the population?

Don't care at all. Only the prospect of losing the territories that were under the control of the Russian Federation at the beginning of the operation is important.

[Wildcat]

I am glad that you and I equally assess the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their assessment by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

As for the limits of "goodwill gestures", we disagree, but it can be considered a consensus that they, the limits, are quite wide.

Mobilization "as it should" will conditionally give a million TerOshnikov - since the preparation of the reserve "as it should" has never been carried out. The newly formed units may have some military significance in the summer campaign of 2023, hardly earlier.
By the way. If the T-62s are going into action anyway, how will this million be armed?

- Concerning terms of training of the mobilized it would be an exaggeration to lay down half a year for training, this is not our standard. By analogy with volunteer battalions, it is unlikely that the formation will last more than a month (sadly): "In St. Petersburg, volunteers are being recruited into a nominal battalion to be sent to Ukraine. On behalf of the governor, recruiters promise 100 at once, and a little more than a month is allotted for preparation."https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/07/27/71520623/
- Regarding weapons, IMHO, there are no problems here, at least in the RF Armed Forces, at least in terms of quantity. There is a place to be IMHO the lack of just infantry (Marchenko-Mokrenko recently issued another spiritual groan on the topic of the number of infantry in the BTG), and not equipment and weapons.
In the LDNR, the situation ... is different, but it's scary to discuss it, and IMHO it has subjective reasons.
An example, the situation was discussed on the friendly forum Lostarmore just today (abstract, as we all understand, everything is invented, of course):
"Mikhail Smirnov Alex Akela • 5 hours ago
Yes, there is not enough infantry, in companies at best 40% of the staff. Company commanders command platoons, but this is not critical. ... "
"Mikhail Smirnov RU • 5 hours ago
There is not enough infantry, because almost all staff members refuse to sit in front positions, at most in blocks in the rear, so there are only volunteers. There are a couple of contract servicemen there, but this is straight out of the ordinary. So in terms of the number of BTG 180 people, it’s quite normal.
"Rumb Mikhail Smirnov • 4 hours ago • edited
..... If possible - 180 l / s in an armored personnel carrier (let me remind you - with a minimum of 850, which should be in a motorized rifle armored personnel carrier) is it with "passengers" on the blocks and in the rear, or is it on the front?
.....
Mikhail Smirnov Rumb • 4 hours ago
All HP plus those mobilized from the LPR.
Rumb Mikhail Smirnov • 4 hours ago • edited
P ... c.
...
Mikhail Smirnov Rumb • 4 hours ago
I'm telling you, staffers are only in the rear on blocks. And so, we were supposed to be rotated by a fresh BTG of the same brigade, but something went wrong and they stood somewhere nearby. And there seemed to be 300 people there too, no more. But I don’t know how it was staffed only by staff members, or staff members + volunteers.
......
Mikhail Smirnov Rumb • 4 hours ago
No more motorized rifles. Only assault, but now I'm leaning towards Wagner. I want to fight with people who know how and want."

I don't know what kind of opposition you are dealing with. I don't know about any such plans.

With none. But if you google "The Court of The Hague Russia" you can find out something about the plans for the "skin of an unkilled bear".

Don't care at all.

It is after this that the biggest problems in the Russian Federation begin.

By the way, I liked your analogy with the ventilator (IMHO, one of the hopes is placed on "turning off the ventilator / maintaining the ventilator no higher than the current level"): "Ukraine is now on a military and economic ventilator. Partners can turn off this ventilator at any time. Or they can, on the contrary, inflate in a way that they have not seen in these places. Yes, this cannot be done in a week - but it is obvious to anyone, except for witnesses of the hungry winter of 22/23, that the partners are in no hurry."
But this is all good until NG, IMHO, then, in 2023, there will be completely different problems in the Russian Federation.

[Wildcat]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet set tasks outside the borders of Ukraine.

“Since April, a high level of terrorist threat has been operating in several regions. Settlements in the border areas have repeatedly come under fire, and sabotage has also been reported.
Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/08/2022/625568df9a794741e114a762
See the link for an educational map.
Excluding Novofedorovka, of course.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

See the link for an educational map.

I was not talking about minor sabotage behind enemy lines, but about the territorial and political changes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine should ensure following the results of the NMD. So far, the goals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been declared as purely defensive.

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we evaluate the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their assessment by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

No idea what the RF Armed Forces are evaluating there. I spoke about the assessment of the situation by the political leadership of the country. Of course, this is nothing more than my speculation.

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- Concerning terms of training of the mobilized it would be an exaggeration to lay down half a year for training, this is not our standard.

American WWII standard - 8 months.

However, there is one point that practically excludes mobilization. In order to begin the countdown of these 8 months in general, it is necessary to admit that the ENTIRE Soviet-Russian system of draft training is a sham. I don't see anything that could inspire such confessions.

Without this, there will be LDNR-style mobilization. Caught, issued a mosquito, and forward to storm Avdiivka. Behind the Chechen detachment. Basically, it's okay too. Can repeat - we repeat.

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and it takes a little more than a month to prepare

Wonderful. Actually, if you plan to fight the Americans, then a month or a year - it doesn't matter.

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you can find out something about the plans for the "skin of an unkilled bear".

How many stupid things are written on the Internet. Such decisions in the world can be made by one or two people. They haven't spoken yet.

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the biggest problems begin in the Russian Federation.

I doubt not the problems of the Russian Federation, but that, under their influence, the environment of the great geopolitician will decide to say goodbye to him. It does not depend on the population.

[Wildcat]

I was not talking about minor sabotage behind enemy lines, but about the territorial and political changes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine should ensure following the results of the NMD. So far, the goals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been declared as purely defensive.

Hmm, well, here's a fresh one about "territorial changes": "The war must end with the liberation of Crimea, bringing to justice all the initiators of the so-called "special operation"(c) Podolyak
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/en-ru.ru.b4255ee1-62fcb453-3ccb0178-74722d776562/https/www.yahoo.com/now/war-must-end-liberation-crimea-125603783.html

"President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky published a video message on social networks, in which he announced Kyiv's intention to return Crimea under its control. He made such a statement after a series of explosions at the Saki airfield near the village of Novofedorovka in the west of the peninsula. Zelensky stressed that the conflict "started in Crimea in 2014, and should end there"." (c) Zelensky
https://news.ru/europe/zelenskij-poobeshal-vernut-krym-posle-vzryvov-na-poluostrove/

I doubt not the problems of the Russian Federation, but that, under their influence, the environment of the great geopolitician will decide to say goodbye to him. It does not depend on the population.

Given the above position of Zelensky, Podolyaki and Co., not only the “environment of the great geopolitician”, but even the entire “Crimean consensus” (it is now 78% of the population) will not say goodbye to anyone.
Moreover, with such an approach, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not be preparing for Kherson, but for the continuation of the XNUMX-day series "another settlement came under the control of the RF Armed Forces."
As the saying goes, "The Russian side believes that the state of affairs can improve for it, precisely because the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not show any offensive capabilities. The Ukrainian side thinks exactly the same thing, only on the contrary. The Grand Ramstein Coalition does not consider anything, it will be satisfied with any option.
The special military operation will continue until this situation changes."

Without this, there will be LDNR-style mobilization. Caught, issued a mosquito, and forward to storm Avdiivka.

oh, anything can happen, especially since the work of military registration and enlistment offices is facilitated the closure of the visa borders of Europe (so far the Balts and Finns are in the forefront, but the beginning of trouble is beginning).
Well, where should a person liable for military service go, even with a Schengen visa? Bank cards do not work, with 10 cash mowers you can’t really make a fuss .... It remains as of old, "travel to Europe on a tank" because "Ukraine is Europe".

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

(c) Podolyak

And who is it?

Quote: Wildcat

announced the intention of Kyiv to return the Crimea under its control

Russia and Ukraine have a territorial dispute. Is this some kind of news?

Quote: Wildcat

it is now 78% of the population

Nobody is going to ask the population. As for the environment, such a decision is unlikely to be announced in advance.

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Moreover, with such an approach, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not be preparing for Kherson,

I do not comment on the statements of the Ukrainian side. Moreover, I consider the Ukrainian side militarily a proxy - a serious change in military capabilities is possible only by the decision of a third party.

Quote: Wildcat

oh, anything can happen, especially since the work of military registration and enlistment offices is facilitated

OK.

[Wildcat]

(c) Podolyak

And who is it?

Hmm .... Didn't you like the declination?
"In early April 2020, Mykhailo Podolyak became an adviser to the head of the Office of the President Andriy Yermak and an "anti-crisis manager" of the OPU[21]. Podolyak explained his decision to join the Office of the President with a desire to build an "effective, compact, but tough state"[3].

He describes his tasks in the OPU as “assessment of crises, high-quality management of news and explanatory communications, greater openness of speakers, an increase in the number of contacts between the state and journalists, including on conflict cases.” The technologist believes that the main problem of the former communication team of the Office is the "silence tactics", which eventually "led to self-isolation."

Mykhailo Podolyak controls the information policy of the Office of the President and advises Volodymyr Zelenskyy directly. In addition, he “prepares” ministers of the Ukrainian government for broadcasts in the media so that their theses are coordinated with the content promoted by the president[22].

According to Podolyak, in his position he managed to restructure the work of the information department in such a way that he “almost constantly stays in touch with journalists”: “We are very open with journalists. You can ask any question if it is in our competence, if not, we try to help. Because openness is the foundation. The President thinks the same way. He says all the time: “Guys, I’m ready to talk, let’s discuss,” but the president wants journalists to be competent and professional, not to ask questions that do not fall within his competence.”

Since February 28, 2022, he has been one of the key figures in the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations to resolve the crisis between states.

Participation in the negotiation group during .... with Russia

...
February 24, 2022 Russia started .... to Ukraine. In the early days, the Russian armed forces failed to significantly advance deep into the territory of Ukraine due to the readiness of the armed forces of Ukraine to resist. Already on February 26, the Office of the President announced that the advance of the Russians had actually stopped due to the “huge losses” inflicted by the Ukrainian army. President Volodymyr Zelensky has formed a negotiating team.

Already on February 28, the first round of Ukrainian-Russian negotiations took place on the territory of Belarus. Mikhail Podolyak, as part of the Ukrainian delegation, participated in both this and subsequent rounds of meetings and became the main speaker of Ukraine during the negotiations. At the same time, according to him, the key demands, uncompromising for Ukraine, are: a ceasefire, the withdrawal of Russian troops to the positions they occupied before February 24, and security guarantees.

“Our position in the negotiations is quite specific - legally verified security guarantees; ceasefire; withdrawal of Russian troops. All this is possible only with a direct dialogue between the heads of Ukraine and the Russian Federation,” Podolyak said in an interview with American PBS[23].

“There are some concessions that we are definitely not going to make. We cannot give away any territories,” in an interview with Bloomberg[24].

Mikhail Podolyak also stressed that .... Russia and Ukraine demonstrated the inefficiency of the existing security system in the world. Therefore, Ukraine has a draft multilateral agreement involving several states to legally agree on the details of the withdrawal of the Russian military and provide security guarantees to Ukraine in the event of a new Russian attack.

“For us, it is not just a peace agreement that is fundamental, it does not suit us. And we are not satisfied with the old security system, where NATO played a dominant role. We were moving towards NATO, in fact, we were their junior partner. During ..... we needed consulting assistance - at least the possibility of an accelerated purchase of weapons. So, on February 25, NATO did not even invite us to its summit. They got scared. And we understand that this whole military security architecture no longer works in Europe. The OSCE also fails to cope with security.”

“We have a formula that we put on the negotiating table – the Ukrainian model of security guarantees. It assumes that there will be no bilateral agreement between Russia and Ukraine. There will be a multilateral agreement, a package agreement in which a number of countries will take part, their number is still being discussed. Five or seven countries."[25]

“It is foreign states that will guarantee the fulfillment of the conditions and the security of Ukraine in the future. This will be a document detailing the procedure for action in the event of repeated aggression by Russia. This is an innovative formula, the author of which is President Volodymyr Zelensky, and which can become the basis for creating a completely new security system in Europe,” said an adviser to the head of the President’s Office in an interview with WP Wiadomości[26].

When asked by journalists how Russia would perceive the creation of a new defense alliance with the participation of Ukraine and other states, Podolyak replied: “Obviously, in this situation we will not make any compromises that would harm our interests in some way. Ukrainian society would not have made such a decision. People are dying on the battlefield, and we must accept the claims of the Russian Federation?”[27].

According to Mykhailo Podolyak, now Ukraine should negotiate, because other countries are afraid to fight with Russia side by side with Ukraine. Therefore, negotiations are another "front line".

Public statements
Mykhailo Podolyak speaks on behalf of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky as one of the speakers of the Presidential Office. Thus, in particular, after the publication of an article by Dmitry Medvedev in the Kommersant publication about Ukraine[28], Podolyak stated that he considered the text of the article “extremely strange, inappropriate, was invited to talk about organizing negotiations between the presidents of Ukraine and Russia”[29][30].

Podolyak also spoke on behalf of the head of state about the leak of offshore Pandora Papers documents, he noted that “attempts to fasten the history of the Kvartal-95 Studio to the history of PrivatBank are not based on facts[31]”.

Mikhail Podolyak qualified the attack on the first assistant to the President of Ukraine, Serhiy Shefir, as “an attempt to demonstratively kill a key member of the team, which is connected with the fight against the oligarchs[32].”

Reaction to the arrest of Viktor Medvedchuk in April 2022: “Today Medvedchuk needs to hide in a Ukrainian prison in order to survive. With a guaranteed multi-year prison term. In the Russian Federation, he will definitely be liquidated as a person who regularly lied about the mood in Ukraine, stole money and, as a result, became one of the initiators of the war[33]”

Confession
Mykhailo Podolyak takes 3rd place in the ranking of the 100 most influential Ukrainians according to the Focus magazine[2]:

Mykhailo Podolyak came to work at the Office of the President in the spring. He was appointed to deal with the media sector - to build relationships with the media not only for Andriy Yermak, but also for the president. For six months of work, Podolyak managed to turn from a little-known adviser into the main speaker of the OP. He willingly distributes comments, criticizes the opposition and even some members of the Zelensky team, does not hesitate to select epithets, and communicates directly with the ministers, giving recommendations on work. It is believed that the politician has become almost the main person in the OP, through which you can resolve issues with the leadership of the presidential office."

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

In early April 2020, Mykhailo Podolyak became an adviser to the head of the Office of the President Andriy Yermak and an “anti-crisis manager”

This is how much in our Medina? 0,12 Medina or maybe as much as 1.6 Medina?

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3rd place in the ranking of 100 most influential Ukrainians according to Focus magazine

A magazine with a circulation of 32 thousand copies? And where is Arestovich?

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It is believed that the politician has become almost the main person in the OP, through which issues can be resolved with the leadership of the presidential office

Who is considered? Didn't he write this text for an hour?

[Wildcat]

Quote: Wildcat
announced the intention of Kyiv to return the Crimea under its control
Russia and Ukraine have a territorial dispute. Is this some kind of news?

Probably news.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet set tasks outside the borders of Ukraine.

и

not about minor sabotage behind enemy lines, but about territorial and political changes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine should ensure following the results of the NMD.

Well, if even Zelensky’s ideas about Crimea are not a territorial change ...
Just in case: I don't mean "the same Zelensky from the ballet "and Zelensky - the President of Ukraine.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

Well, if Zelensky's ideas about Crimea are not a territorial change ..

You should read something on the international status of Crimea since 2014. And the position of Ukraine on this issue.

[Wildcat]

You see, the question of the status of Crimea is also spelled out in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
The positions of the conditional West, Ukraine and the Russian Federation on Crimea are clear.

And now the interesting question is what do you call "It's about fixing losses." and I "Freeze the situation." Try to find a political solution (perhaps even without signing documents) based on current realities."

IMHO:
- Some time ago, the position of the Russian Federation was in "Minsk 1, 2" (Crimea is not discussed, LDNR - to Ukraine on special rights). Ukraine stated that there would be no Minsk 1, 2.
Did not agree.

- After 24.02., at least promulgated by Ukraine, the position of the parties was as follows: Ukraine - the status quo on 23.02. (Crimea and LDNR will be discussed in 10 years, so it seems, Ukraine suggested). RF-recognize Crimea and LDNR.
Did not agree.

Now the position that Ukraine is at least voicing is "no negotiations, victory on the battlefield, we will return Crimea and the LDNR." The position of the Russian Federation is not made public, but, judging even by Konashenkov (we do not consider other speakers), the position of Ukraine is considered as not real at all.

Does the current position mean that Ukraine is ready to "fight for the long haul" and not "take losses"? IMHO, already about 20% of the territory of Ukraine is under the control of the Russian Federation and the dynamics for Ukraine is bad. Or does Ukraine think it is tolerable? How long?

IMHO, I would not say that Ukraine's position is based on a military position, as you write, this position is "on military and financial ventilation", which theoretically can be turned off.
Again, you write that "The Russian Federation seems to believe that serious expenses (greetings from the West) have already been incurred and nothing can be returned, and current expenses (expenditure of personnel and materiel) are insignificant. So it won't be any worse than now. ".

And what caused the current optimism of Ukraine?

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

And what caused such optimism in Ukraine?

The fact that your opponent is a Ukroamerican. And this is a medical fact.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

You see, the question of the status of Crimea is also spelled out in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Who might be interested?

Quote: Wildcat

The positions of the conditional West, Ukraine and the Russian Federation on Crimea are clear.

Not quite. Non-recognition of the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over a location does not mean challenging military control over that location. The question can hang indefinitely as, say, with the Kuriles. Or Northern Cyprus, for example.

By the way. A couple of weeks ago, somewhere in the comments, a phrase from 2014 flashed Crimeans rejoice early that they are not bombed - everything is still ahead.. I then asked what was wrong with this phrase, and I was happily downvoted.

Oh well.

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Does the current position mean that Ukraine is ready to "fight for the long haul" and not "take losses"?

Yes.

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I would not say that the position of Ukraine is based on a military position,

First, you see, not the most responsible people are leading Ukraine now. Secondly, with regard to their sense of reality - they evaluate the balance of power, taking into account the expected assistance of a third party. Which may or may not be - it is unlikely that anyone will say for sure.

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Moreover, IMHO, an experiment with tough sanctions has already been carried out in Belarus, but Lukashenka is in place (although he once walked around the square with a machine gun)

Let me remind you that Lukashenka did not deal with a foreign army. And yes, sanctions do not change the regime.

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That is, sanctions and a drop in living standards can affect the leadership of the Russian Federation only to the extent that they lead to popular unrest

Sanctions and a drop in living standards will not lead to popular unrest and will not affect the leadership of the Russian Federation in any way. However, they will lead (have already led) to a sharp limitation of the capabilities of industry, including the military-industrial complex, and in the transition of the Russian Federation in the near future the status of a Chinese military-technical proxy - if, of course, China sees some interest in this. Let me remind you that after six months of victories, the Russian Federation is begging in search of weapons in Iran and North Korea. Let me also remind you that 10 years ago we were talking about Italian armored cars, French UDCs and Israeli drones.

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Accordingly, what caused such optimism in Ukraine?

Apparently by the fact that the supply of two or three divisional sets of modern cannon and rocket artillery has already caused a stalemate at the front. Thus, the task of achieving military superiority over the RF Armed Forces looks quite solvable. Solved not by the forces of Ukraine, of course - but so far they are telling her that appropriate assistance will be provided. To what extent this is true - we will see in time.

[Wildcat]

Interesting opinion, thanks!

Apparently by the fact that the supply of two or three divisional sets of modern cannon and rocket artillery has already caused a stalemate at the front. Thus, the task of achieving military superiority over the RF Armed Forces looks quite solvable. Solved not by the forces of Ukraine, of course - but so far they are telling her that appropriate assistance will be provided. To what extent this is true - we will see in time.

- I don’t agree with this, IMHO the reason was discussed even at VO back in March-early February: the scope of the operation, the “supply shoulder” and the number of troops, to put it mildly, raised questions ... even among VO journalists ...
But it doesn't matter anymore.
It is important that if Ukraine is determined to continue, so is the Russian Federation ... in 2023, "if we are alive," we will discuss the NWO many more times ...

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

the scope of the operation, the "supply shoulder" and the number of troops, to put it mildly, raised questions ... even among VO journalists ...

These are different questions. The influence of Western weapons did not appear until May. First Ramstein conference - end of April. That is, the height of the second "concrete" stage.

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It is important that if Ukraine is determined to continue, so is the Russian Federation ... in 2023, "if we are alive," we will discuss the NWO many more times ...

Yes, this is a very likely possibility.

[aslanxnumx]

There is a plan, there is no plan

[Don Analyst]

It's called a "situational plan".
Wars don't just happen according to plan.
War is a terrible thing, you can die!

[Mustached Kok]

Do you think that in case of violation of plans and delaying processes, he would have announced this to the entire population??? Well, you are naive)
There was NOT A SINGLE leader in the world who, during the war, would announce that everything was collapsing and he had no ideas at all about how everything could be returned to a profitable swear. All the leaders of countries, always, to the last, say that everything is under control, it was intended that way, and that you will see how we pile on them.

[TatarinSSSR]

Another wasted article! Author, what informative or useful did you convey to us with this article? The whole article fits into the "bazaar" of a couple of old friends over cold beer in the country or in the kitchen. In a nutshell, the article:
"they wanted to quickly go through the front door to demolish power in Ukraine, but it didn’t work, they broke off, now we are dragging out the war in the hope that the enemy will falter from losses and expenses and will surrender. But will it?"
All. Why did you write an entire article? Are you bored? No one at home to discuss CBO in the kitchen?

[Maks1995]

Yes, something went wrong, a small victorious operation did not work out, and the flow of articles explaining something is expanding and growing.

But in fact, all 2 words explain: Capitalism, imperialism.
The rest can be remembered from their definitions

[GRIGORIY76]

Diplomats took care that we have no allies.
Over the past 20 years, industrialists have been actively finishing off the economy, putting it on a hydrocarbon stake.
The real rearmament of the army did not happen, the ground forces are still fighting on Soviet equipment.

Maybe no one is going to win?

[Nastia makarova]

why then all this?

[frog]

Oh how .... Half the country has been asking this question for a month .....

[Nastia makarova]

maybe at first they asked, but now the people have generally lost interest in SVO, they no longer discuss it at work and kitchens

[frog]

How does anyone))) Many are interested in the consequences, no matter how it ends .... Well, and so, in general, it’s interesting

[Nastia makarova]

the consequences can only be guessed at.

[alexey sidykin]

Crush water in a mortar. Another text on the topic everything is gone ... how few objective assessments, however. Then the authors: “cheers, we break, the Swedes bend ...” or “boss, everything is gone, the plaster is being removed, the client is leaving ...” It was clearly said “the security of Russia ...” why everyone writing on the topic “everything is gone .. ." diligently bypass and keep silent about this statement? Maybe if you accept them then you won’t be able to moan once again ... a question. Well, according to the initial plans, the author seems to be closely connected with the General Staff of the Russian Federation and the Presidential Administration, since he speaks so confidently about them. About the special forces in Kharkov ... it’s more expensive to believe dill publics, and besides them, no one else has so categorically stated what happened there. For the Kharkiv residents themselves believe that the negotiating group was shot. And to use Girkin as an expert, who poured tubs of mud on the defenders of Donbass ...

[Vincent price]

I will answer you for the author. The only obvious result of this is a huge decrease in the security of the Russian Federation. Firstly, due to the loss of a large number of equipment and the development of its resource, and these losses will not be replenished, since there is no industry. Secondly, because of the entry into NATO of Scandinavia and the pumping of Ukraine with offensive weapons.

[alexey sidykin]

Firstly; you are so aware of the decrease in combat capability, you probably serve in the General Staff of the Russian Federation? Second, Scandinavia is not yet a member of NATO, and whether it will be remains a big question. About pumping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with offensive weapons ... well, this can also be argued, because the amount of this very equipment does not give reason to talk about any great influence. Unpleasant, yes. It also gives certain problems, but it does not provide any advantage, it only delays the agony of both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Ukraine itself.

[Vincent price]

I judge exclusively by official sources of the Russian Federation. According to them, positional battles are going on, according to them, t 62 and peonies will be reactivated, according to them, a decision was made to restore the production of BMP 2 (hello Kurgan 25). I'm VERY sorry this is the reality and I VERY hope there's a cunning plan and a Star Destroyer armada on Exegol.

[alexey sidykin]

Well, to call it positional battles, what happens is overkill, there is a grinding of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the advancement of our forces. Although slowly, ours are moving, saving as many of the lives of our soldiers as possible. Especially in recent days, the promotion has noticeably intensified.

[Snail N9]

Young guys are dying. Color of the nation. Who will love women instead? Ravshans with Dzhamshuts?

[Tzar]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

And to use Girkin as an expert, who poured tubs of mud on the defenders of Donbass ...

Yes, already one epithet "FSB colonel in the reserve Igor Strelkov" clearly speaks of the mood of the author of the article. And the comments are appropriate, balanced and reasonable from the strength of 5 pieces, the rest is the whining of all-weapons-"shooters"

[alexey sidykin]

Unfortunately, there are not many balanced and objective comments and evaluations of the operation.

[frog]

Do you need "weighted and objective" or which do you like? In general, this may or may not be the case.

[alexey sidykin]

I need exactly balanced and objective ones ... but some people seem to mean by these words that it is necessary to pour mud over it.

[frog]

The "hat" department is not quite here ..... As well as the training ground for throwing them. Here, unfortunately, there are still people who are trying about objectivity. Which you do not like))) But their information explains why we have this. Not someone "in some places with us sometimes ..", but just someone else is trying at least something .... You, bright stump, don't like it, because you need to say only good things, but shit in the corners let it lie, can you turn away?

[alexey sidykin]

It is clear with you that you are a shit lover.

[frog]

Rude and not erotic But about the hats - I'm glad I was not mistaken

[alexey sidykin]

Yes, rough. But I'm not a fan of digging into substances. As someone who served in 95-97, I am well aware of our shortcomings in the army, plus some knowledge of history allows me to determine where constructive criticism is and where it is just bilious grumbling.

[frog]

Not the worst kind of megalomania
As for substances - if they exist, you have to dig into them. With a clogged canal at home, for example. Either, as an option, pay your uncle, or, say, pour deodorants on everything and use a neighbor's water closet ....
As for "serving" and "some knowledge of history" .... Your right, based on this, to draw favorable conclusions. You are obviously incredibly lucky, happy for you. Because, based on realities, some knowledge of history and other things, al, miserable, I draw slightly different conclusions ......

[alexey sidykin]

And where did you find good conclusions from me? And from what did you come to this conclusion? I'm not talking about conclusions about megalomania ...

[frog]

So you're our stalker. This is not a joke of humor, this is just a statement. And the news and opinions of these are always benign in relation to the authorities, just to rally and become stumps on guard. Et if something suddenly bangs. Not necessarily in the Crimea. And why does it happen all of a sudden - you are not interested .... But I don’t bother you to think so? Why is it for me? ICHSBH, I don’t include you in the coprofiles for this, because obviously you’re a geek

[alexey sidykin]

Can you prove that I'm a "stalk-bearer"? Although this already characterizes you as an ideological oppositionist who, according to Porthos, “I fight because I fight,” or, according to the Zyuganovites, since we are the opposition, we must invariably criticize.

[frog]

Why would I need to prove the obvious?
And as for criticism ..... Indeed, why criticize, everything goes wonderfully according to plan ..... This is me from thoughtlessness and innate wretchedness .....
In your Russia, everything is wonderful, they flew to Mars, we don’t buy food, there is a queue for machines, and foreigners tear the products of the automotive industry out of their hands, even fight .... And yes, Boeing has already bitten its elbows with envy, looking at Dry. .....

[alexey sidykin]

I repeat again ... where do I write this?

[aslanxnumx]

What is the security of Russia, the shelling of our territories, the death of people. The shelling of the DPR and LPR, in addition to the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with unpredictable consequences

[alexey sidykin]

But for the sake of safety, you have to shove to the border with Poland.

[alexey sidykin]

Are you ready to volunteer?

[aslanxnumx]

I am 59 years old, whether I will be a volunteer or not, in any case, I belong to the officer corps. We have a general mobilization in our country, the start of a war, or someone attacked. We have a bunch of security officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Investigative Committee of them formed volunteers. And where is the detachment of volunteers from Edra and the Federation Council, the State Duma

[alexey sidykin]

EP is just actively participating in Ukraine, their representatives from the party leadership do not climb out of the Donbass, but the so-called opposition must be looked for with a magnifying glass. Looks too scary...Turchinov from United Russia was not afraid to visit either Volnovakha immediately after the liberation or Mariupol when the fighting was going on there...can you name at least one of the opposition who didn’t get scared? And where are the detachments under the red banners of the communist socialists? I will answer immediately, NONE.

[Foul skeptic]

And where are the detachments under the red banners

That's just the soldiers under the red banners you will find enough

Have you seen anyone with such a flag?

Me not?

[alexey sidykin]

The flag of VICTORY does not count; it is hung out by everyone, including those from EP. And the flag of the EP in the liberated territories...but only it is visible. I have never seen either from the Communist Party or from the Wed or from the Liberal Democratic Party.

[Foul skeptic]

VICTORY flag does not count

1) Isn't he a "red flag"?
2) In the above photographs - the flag of the USSR, and not the banner of victory.

And the flag of the EP in the liberated territories...but only it is visible.

Why is he there? Except for PR purposes.

I have never seen either from the Communist Party or from the Wed or from the Liberal Democratic Party.

Where did you look?

[alexey sidykin]

Yes, everywhere ... you can’t see it in any report ... and in the cart too. Yes, and the Donbass people are talking about this, and in the photo it is precisely that the banner of Victory and not the USSR. And United Russia act as a leading force on behalf of the Russian Federation. Do you want to call it PR? Consider, but no one bothers other parties to engage in the same PR. National Bolsheviks are present, monarchists before and more, Kurginyan's "Essence of Time" and those are. But the socialist-communists are not observed except for individuals. A very characteristic sign of who they really are with.

[Foul skeptic]

Yes, everywhere ... you can’t see it in any report ... and in the cart too.

So maybe you're not looking well. And what should they do in the "summaries"? in the reports of whom, the Ministry of Defense?

Yes, and Donbass people talk about it

What are the "Donbass" and what are they talking about?

and in the photo it is precisely that the banner of Victory and not the USSR.

Exactly the opposite

but no one bothers other parties to engage in the same PR.

Nobody interferes, that's why they do it. Volunteers from the Liberal Democratic Party do two-week shifts in the villages and towns to help the locals in any way they can, help at the “husband for an hour” level, since there are almost no men left, and women in organizations cannot replace them in everything. Or do you think politicians will miss this opportunity to show themselves beautiful? The whole difference with the EP is that the EP has a state resource, including in terms of the media.

National Bolsheviks are present, monarchists before and more

Where without them

But the socialist-communists are not observed except for individuals.

How is it "not observed" if there are "individuals"?

A very characteristic sign of who they really are with.

With whom?

[alexey sidykin]

Yes, not with the people, as we see. Not with the people.

[aslanxnumx]

Turchinov went there as a senator, and his security is not frail. The question is, what kind of money is the humanitarian aid. The money is most likely budgetary, but not like Edro.

[alexey sidykin]

He could not go further than Donetsk at all ... and the guards would not protect him from an incoming projectile, and even from a sniper. And yes, the guards did not help the Jap in any way. And what about the Zyuganovites, do they send humanitarian aid to their own? They are completely on a budget. But for example, Kalashnikov prefers to scrub himself in Moscow for a hundred on CIS affairs, as far as Donetsk. And yes, EP takes less budget money than all other parties.

[Don Analyst]

I'm not ready to volunteer in this one.
Then they will attack the Motherland - yes.
Why is she special in - so that volunteers fight there?
There are Men for whom war is a common thing, for me the world is a common thing!

[Don Analyst]

Business should be handled by professionals, including the military.

[alexey sidykin]

I am not aware of your attitude in the NWO. But will you agree that with such an approach, conscience should not allow criticizing the army?

[Don Analyst]

I love the Patriot and the Motherland, I criticize my wife for borscht ...
I can't stand stupidity, lies and meanness!

[alexey sidykin]

It is highly doubtful ... because to criticize for bosch, which is a pan-Slavic product, is complete nonsense. And yes, pasta is Italian, sausages are German, potatoes are American ... with tomato :)

[aslanxnumx]

Who criticizes the army, criticism of the leadership and generals. There are a lot of things that are being held back due to the fact that they can solder the article.

[Vincent price]

Looking at the throwing in her plans, one gets the impression that the otter would have planned better.

[alexey sidykin]

Are you the most otter?

[alexey sidykin]

Wow, how many "otters" have been drawn ... as many as 6 pieces of unrecognized strategists. Probably in the world of tanks they rose to the rank of field marshals.

[aslanxnumx]

We are not cheers patriots, we do not wear rose-colored glasses.

[sheet]

Quote: aslan642

We are not cheers patriots, we do not wear rose-colored glasses.

Black glasses are tied on you - do not tear them off.

[Vsevolod Z]

If we consider the situation soberly and without political slogans. The initial inputs for the start of the operation were completely rigged on everything from the readiness of the troops to the expected level of support. Further, decision makers continue to live in the "country of pink ponies", there was no long-term plan, both for the operation and for supporting the operation from the economy. Plus, the complete absence of not ideology (this guano is enough), but ideas. And therefore there is nothing to offer. All Quiet on the Western Front.
In terms of economics, I can honestly add that they found workarounds to take even dual-use electronics from China, and "Fanfare Sounds", our "beloved" Central Bank strengthened currency control. Here we buy iron, but do not withdraw money. Payment is not released for 3-5 days. During this time, even Chinese friends can often change their decision on the admissibility of delivery. Therefore, I am sure that there is no plan.

[Don Analyst]

Military science implies such concepts as operational art, strategic design!
Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov is already throwing a sweat.
At night, you can read the memoirs and archives of marshals and generals about the operations of the Second World War for six months.
Our country and people have something - and there were enough wars and battles!

[EvilLion]

I am surprised by the level of schizophrenia on the monitor screens, then Podolyaka was talking some nonsense that there was a calculation on the oligarchs who would hand over everything, then in the comments they write that there is no backup plan. And ask what to do, so they will start talking nonsense about mobilization, without even understanding what it is.

There are things that the Russian command can control and that it cannot control. Former Ukraine itself is quite large and it is impossible to simply take and swallow it. This is an objective reality, as well as the fact that in the conditions of hostilities it is possible to observe something 500 km behind the front line only from satellites that have their own flight windows. This is to the question of why it was not destroyed, or this. Can the Russian command make the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrender? It can force them to surrender, but if they do not want to, then there is nothing you can do with them, only destroy them. And when they start talking nonsense about why they acted near Kyiv, then I want to ask, what is the alternative? And why do you think that something did not go according to plan? Can you guarantee that if you do this and that, the APU will surrender? So generals can't. In this regard, they did everything right, except maybe Kharkov, where it was necessary, apparently, maximum strength with heavy weights. armament immediately enter don't care. Otherwise, the choice is extremely simple, either try to give the enemy the impression that the war has already been lost, and immediately disorganize it as much as possible, which can lead to mass surrender by entire formations, or hammer fortified areas for weeks without visible results. If it’s not possible to immediately bully, then we’ll go to hammer the fortified areas. From the Russian side, this is a game for 2 results, it may work and we will win quickly, or it may not work, our command here cannot guarantee anything from the very beginning, then we simply destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine, slowly and mercilessly. If ukrozoldats want to die for no reason, then let them die. The military-industrial complex of the former. Ukraine no longer exists, stocks of weapons will run out sooner or later, the West has already sent almost everything that it could send. Mob. potential, objectively, does not exceed half a million. Sooner or later the front somewhere will collapse completely.

"If the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed." This is Plan B. Where and how it is not so important, considerations of water supply for Donbass and cessation of its shelling, and pure tactics prevail here.

At the same time, the disorganization and panic of the first weeks in any case had a positive effect, a bunch of recruits managed to escape from Ukraine, and the senseless distribution of weapons only led to a shortage of weapons in the Armed Forces of Ukraine itself and skirmishes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with terbats and other gangs.

The key point here is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot punish our army in any way. If they could, then no one would go to Gostomel. if you have chance, win quickly and the risks are small, then they should be used.

As for the prospects and goals, no peace on the remnants of Ukraine is already possible without its complete elimination. There are many reasons for this, including the psychopathic nature of the Ukrainian society, which believes that Moscow will be taken a little more. As it was recently written on the website of A. Vajra in one article, they will believe in this, even when the battles go near Zhytomyr. And the absolutely fair increase in Russia's demands as the cost of the war grows, and the fact that Russian society will not understand the stop halfway after all the victims (wait another 8 years until the ukrams actually collect weapons?), And the absolute uncontrollability of all kinds of Ukrainian gangs. What, will the Nazis agree to sign an agreement on the return of Donbass, Kherson and other territories that are actually controlled by Russia? Don't make fun of my slippers. Do not think that the Kremlin does not understand this, it's just that no one will now voice to you that the ultimate goal is simply the elimination of the remnants of the Ukrainian SSR. And what will happen if watered. will the regime in Kyiv collapse before the arrival of Russian tanks? What is happening now, when the bandits from the terbats are tying anyone they want with electrical tape to poles, will seem like childish pranks. Here the questions are only in the organization of power in the liberated territories. It’s just that the situation itself leaves no other way out, no matter how expensive it may be. But when it comes to such wars of annihilation, the final goals are always silent. Because ill-conceived aggressive statements can greatly complicate the situation. Putin cannot come out and say that the goal is liquidation. The world will not understand at all. Some of them there really believe that a certain Ukrainian people exist. During the Second World War, the Soviet leadership generally avoided any statements about the post-war fate of Germany, the last thing the Red Army needed was for each Volkssturmist to stand to the last, because he was convinced that Germany would again be divided into 100500 principalities, and he himself would be exiled forever to Siberia.

[military_cat]

Quote: EvilLion

the West has already sent almost everything that it could send

He hasn't really started yet.

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This is not even a joke, deliveries under the lend-lease law have not yet begun, at the moment deliveries are underway under gratuitous aid packages that allow using the accelerated procedure.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: military_cat

He hasn't really started yet.

Do you know Europeans better?

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

Do you know Europeans better?

Europeans have not yet reported to anyone what they have and what they do not have. And among the "experts" half are from Rashi Today, the second half are various sectarians.

[alexey sidykin]

Do you really have anything to say? I don't listen to RT, let alone sectarians.

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

Do you really have anything to say?

Who?

In fact, in addition to infantry weapons, we see a couple of percent of Western artillery, one percent of MLRS, 0% of tanks, 0% of aviation, 0% of the fleet.

Oh yes. 0% personnel.

[alexey sidykin]

Here I am talking about the same thing ... all the support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if only the agony of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lasted as long as possible. One to one as support for the Whites by the Entente countries. Plus, the States are at war not only with us but also with the EU, this is their second competitor after China. If China is too tough for them, then they drown Europe with great pleasure. And, do not even know whose drowning for them is our priority or the EU's. In terms of economy, we are not yet a rival to the United States, unlike Europe.

[Negro]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

all support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if only the agony of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lasted as long as possible

At the moment, we see (not the first month we see) the stabilization of the front and the transition to special military operations of a local (very local) scale. Those homeopathic supplies that were made were enough to avoid the collapse of the rear. Plus, the Moldovan direction, which was strategically the most dangerous, is actually closed for active operations.
And what will happen next - whatever. Ukraine is now on a military and economic ventilator. Partners can turn off this ventilator at any time. Or they can, on the contrary, inflate in a way that they have not seen in these places. Yes, this cannot be done in a week - but it is obvious to anyone, except for witnesses of the hungry winter of 22/23, that the partners are in no hurry.

[alexey sidykin]

I can't agree with you about stabilization. At the moment, we see a slow but grinding of the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost along the entire front and the advancement of our forces. Yes, I would like the advance to go faster, but to storm the fortifications in the forehead, agree that it would be stupid? There is a good saying "quieter you go longer / you will continue."

[Negro]

I'm not interested in grinding stories - both sides say the same thing. As in general, and any other stories of the parties about each other.

And what are the facts I stated.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Negro

I'm not interested in grinding stories - both sides say the same thing. As in general, and any other stories of the parties about each other.

And what are the facts I stated.

It is enough to count the settlements taken over the last week.

[Foul skeptic]

It is enough to count the settlements taken over the last week.

Did you count? AND?

[Kronos]

And what did they take significant besides the Sand? A couple of villages

[alexey sidykin]

During the Second World War, they fought for a "couple of villages" for months.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: EvilLion

I am surprised by the level of schizophrenia on the monitor screens, then Podolyaka was talking some nonsense that there was a calculation on the oligarchs who would hand over everything, then in the comments they write that there is no backup plan. And ask what to do, so they will start talking nonsense about mobilization, without even understanding what it is.

You want too much from the fan ... "white-black" is his limit for more, he is not capable of because it is too difficult. And Podolyak, like Onufrenko, is, albeit talented analysts, but they are not aware of the plans of the GDP and the government and can only speculate about certain actions.

[Vincent price]

In the current situation, as it appears through the state media, there is no solution, zungzwang.

[engineer74]

Our memory is short! If we recall last year's Draft Security Treaty ("December Ultimatum"), the picture is completely different! And the goals of "SVO" are also different, the fact that it was not possible to quickly complete the declared tasks does not cancel the actions within the framework of the announced ultimatum! Something like this...
IMHO

[Kronos]

These goals are not achievable in principle.

[alexey sidykin]

Which ones?

[Kronos]

Declared in the December ultimatum for this will be the actual dissolution of NATO.

[alexey sidykin]

Well, according to the principle, ask for more to get what you need.

[Don Analyst]

Yes, you are right, everything should be considered together!
And this is just one of the ways to resolve the issue of a security treaty. With the costs of this method.
Security goals should be two to three orders of magnitude higher, up to the neutralization of the gigemon.
But the methods and tools of neutralization should be accurate and "careful".

[Mikhail Sidorov]

There is only one question - what will happen if the United States, Britain and their allies, and Ukraine completely controlled by them, which is supplied by the collective West, do not agree to Russia's conditions? If no compromise can be reached

I really hope there is no compromise. And we will be forced to liquidate this mistaken state - Ukraine.

[alexey sidykin]

And there will be no compromise on any, because it is stated that the security of Russia is a priority. The current authorities and security are incompatible concepts. At best, for dill, this is Ukraine within Kyiv and its neighboring regions. Under the auspices of the UN. (In fact, the control of Russia, the EU and the USA), but in the light of recent events, it is unlikely that Kyiv will have to be taken.

[kor1vet1974]

It's time to turn the SVO into a civil one, between the two Ukraines .. It will be more reliable that way.

[gromit]

"The number of conscripts has decreased to 225 people, that is, by almost 100 conscripts. The number of contract soldiers has doubled and reached 405 military personnel, Interfax writes. Shoigu noted that contract soldiers have fully staffed sergeant and foreman positions, combat special forces, naval infantry, battalions of tactical groups, as well as positions related to the maintenance of complex equipment."News of March 25, 2020.
What we are seeing is the maximum of what the Russian army can do.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from Gromit

What we are seeing is the maximum of what the Russian army can do

Are you an employee of the General Staff of the Russian Federation that you judge so confidently what the Russian Federation can or cannot?

[military_cat]

You are asking a lot of stupid questions. Do you have accreditation for the opportunity to interview?

[alexey sidykin]

It can be considered an answer ... looked at the sky and sucked his opinion out of his finger. And if in short, then gag. Thank you for admitting that you don’t know anything, but I really want to show myself as an expert.

[RaccoonSnake]

Every day there are more and more questions for the CBO.

[ivan2022]

Dear Author!
In order to discuss the goals of the NWO, one must first understand the reasons that led to the NWO.

The cause of ALL conflicts in the post-Soviet space is the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, no SVO, no matter what goals it pursues, will not ensure the security of the Russian Federation. Simply because further conflicts will still occur.

In order to avoid them, we need a state with approximately the same population as the USSR in 1991 or the US now. At least 300 million people Then it will be stable and respected by the world gang called "civilized world".

The Russian tsars created the Empire not just like that and not out of nothing to do and not out of their greed. And the rejection of her inheritance and the "arrangement of Russia" by dividing into 15 parts was suicide.

If the train was placed on the rails leading to the abyss, it is useless to clear the way for it. No matter how well it is done.

The conclusion here is:
Whoever does not mourn the loss of the USSR has no heart. And who believes out of naivety that it is not necessary to create a new union - runs the risk of losing his head. One day it will just be cut off.
As they say: "If not in the current heating season, then in the next"

[tatra]

Only now the division into provinces did not prevent Russia from falling to pieces after the February Revolution.
And before the "Liberator" of the enemies of the USSR Gorbachev, the USSR divided into 15 republics did not "collapse by itself", as the eternal "neglected" enemies of the USSR hysteria.
Each State is somehow divided territorially, and according to the "logic" of the Russian enemies of the USSR, they themselves "planted a bomb" under the Russian Federation, dividing it into 7 federal districts and republics.

[alexey sidykin]

Paradox... but today I agree with you.

[Kuziming]

I would correct, "restore the empire." The USSR was a flawed state. First of all, because of the reality-denying ideology.

[certero]

Quote: Per se.

The time of capitalism and the bourgeoisie in Russia is ending, and, in any case, now in the NWO. No one will ever forgive failure or deceit.

And too many big words. The power of the capitalists, as it was and will be, there are no signs that this will change. To change the power, you need some kind of organization which is not even close. However, the dream of socialism and a planned economy is the lot of the older generation. And those who fight in their own, with rare exceptions, do not even think about this.

[alexey sidykin]

For some reason, everyone forgets that the NSDAP is also a socialist type, and those who let them into power are SPD (Social Democrats) and the executioner Pol Pot is generally a communist ....

[Per se.]

Quote: certero

However, the dream of socialism and a planned economy is the lot of the older generation. And those who fight in their own, with rare exceptions, do not even think about this.

They think because they put red flags on their military equipment, they think because in the Donbass the republics are called people's. Also, with those gentlemen who warm their hands in the war, continuing to enrich themselves, we cannot win. The "talking head" does not get tired of talking about high-precision strikes, but these strikes are not decisive, and would be more effective in the first, powerful preventive strike, disarming the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This did not happen, we spend expensive labor-intensive rockets. We have already talked about military logistics, how and with what will we replenish the arsenals?
How did they not recognize the LPR and DPR for 8 years, calling them "self-proclaimed" everywhere? Why did the leadership "open its eyes" only at the beginning of this year? If you were preparing for the NWO, you were not very prepared. This is the impression that, simply, it was no longer possible to remain inactive, the people would not understand.

Yes, now there is no "multipolar world", there is one pole of power, this is capitalism, with its leader and planetary master. No matter how you puff out your cheeks, no parallel capitalism can be built, our boys are bad guys in the bourgeoisie and under the bourgeoisie. None of our oligarchs saves rubles, and does not see himself with his people. They are in the West and with the West. The conclusion is that without socialism we cannot win, we cannot defend Russia without creating a pole of power independent of capitalism, and this is only a socialist pole.

You say "organization"? The mediocrity and dependence of power in tsarist Russia gave rise to 1905, and after 1917. History has a habit of repeating itself, only when the new Aurora is already on the Moscow River is another question. Otherwise, in the name of "peace and humanism", our bourgeois will surrender the country to the West, exhausted by war and blockade.

[certero]

Quote from Gromit

What we are seeing is the maximum of what the Russian army can do.

No. What we are seeing is the maximum that the Russian army, set up by politicians, can
in a difficult position.

[Kuziming]

[quote=Heaven][quote=Kuziming]

Remove the territorial gains of the first weeks, obtained as a result of a surprise attack. Take the card for April 1, 2022. Compare with the card for August 16, 2022. With such a pace of progress, even the Donbass will have to be liberated for several years. And the whole of Ukraine for several decades. Is this the right line?

Feeling the WWI tactics in 2022 with modern aviation, MLRS, satellites, communications, armored vehicles is a bit of a strange achievement for strategists. [/ Quote]
I'm afraid that the level of the second world war is not yet available to us.

Guderian delivered cutting blows with tank wedges with complete air supremacy, and an ideal state of communication between various branches of the troops.
Therefore, in 1941, maneuver warfare was so successful for the Wehrmacht.
I do not want to make categorical statements, but now the situation with dominance in the air and space is such that the advantage in intelligence, communications, display of operational information for all branches of the military ... is not obvious, to put it mildly.
And yes, our satellites can see a flea on a dog's ass...

[alexey sidykin]

What does the Second World War have to do with it if we are talking about the First World War?

[Thorvlobnor IV]

5 stages of understanding that there is no plan:

Denial
Anger
Bargain
Depression
Acceptance <== *** you are here ***

If there had been a reliable plan, Donbass would not have been shelled harder than "eight years" ago. If there had been a cunning plan, the Kherson group would not have hung on the right bank on two snots of logistics. And how, in general, did a state with such sharply sharpened special services, with such a long tradition of "cold wars" goof off in its analysis of the socio-political situation in Ukraine before the NVO? Or was it like this: if we don’t like the analytics, put such analytics in the furnace?

[ivan2022]

Quote: certero

. However, the dream of socialism and a planned economy is the lot of the older generation. And those who fight in their own, with rare exceptions, do not even think about this.

I apologize in advance, but what you write looks like nonsense. Do you even realize that in the days of the "lot of the older generation" such a fantastic conflict as Russia against Ukraine could not exist at all?

The planned economy in the USSR won during the Second World War. State planned regulation and even a larger share of state property than in the Russian Federation exists in all developed countries.

Planning everything "down to the last nail" is in all developed firms of the West and East. Although it is of course, with a flawed psyche, any idea can be brought to the point of absurdity. Not only does planning get in the way for bad dancers, but their own balls get in the way.

And socialism is a social movement that does not disappear in the West, but in the East has led China to independence.

By the way, think about the fact that the USSR was an independent state, too, only thanks to socialism. As soon as it was discarded, we had to say goodbye to economic and political independence .... According to the world ranking of the quality of life in 1988, the USSR ranked number 26. And in 2021, something near Colombia, at number 60 ....

And if the Russians turned out to be the only people in the world who managed to burn out on what billions of people of other nations won, this is the problem of Russians, not socialism.

Under capitalism, the Russian people turned out to be completely ........ and not even able to ensure their reproduction, in contrast to the peaceful periods of life in the USSR.

And if anyone likes that their ....... .. in all places and by all means "but without dreams and utopias" - this is just a mental disorder.

[hermit]

If Russia is fighting at the limit of its capabilities, then these capabilities are extremely insignificant. And the responsibility for such a sad state of affairs in the field of defense lies with the political leadership of the country and personally V.V. Putin.

[Wanderer_GO]

Yes, God bless this Ukraine, I admit that the Ukrainian elites were deceived, our intelligence completely failed (did not reveal the mood of the Armed Forces, fortified areas, etc.)
The main thing is that the situation is similar to the situation of the war of 1905 and the Finnish operation, i.e. showing the weakness of the position of Russia seeking political games to solve the problem of NATO expansion.
All these "mantras" - unacceptable use, should not happen - only show that it can be different in relation to Russia! And, let's not forget what the "soft" actions in 1905 and 1939 led to - we step on the "old rake" with the stubbornness of maniacs ....

[Don Analyst]

This is the fate of Russia and Russians - to intervene in all historical processes to the fullest.
It is not possible for us to be ahead of the curve and with little bloodshed.
And its in Ukraine this is the prelude of a big world batch ...

[kig]

Russian irredenta... somehow it doesn't sound Russian. Probably, there is some intricate meaning hidden there, which the Russian peasant cannot understand. At least without 0,5 liters. If the real meaning of the operation is in the irredent, then ... I don’t even know if it is necessary or not?

But in general, we are being dragged into such a g that you will be glad even irredentism with its irredentists.

[AdAstra]

So on February 24.02, Comrade President outlined everything, why break spears? Or did he deceive us?

[ivan2022]

Quote from AdAstra

So on February 24.02, Comrade President outlined everything, why break spears? Or did he deceive us?

No way. But he was ill-informed.
For example :
Recently, Comrade President signed a decree on the title of "mother heroine." Which is assigned for the birth and upbringing of ten (!) And more children. With a one-time payment of 1 million rubles.

Do you think a well-informed person would sign such a deed?

[Arabfun]

The goal is to develop the space industry and transfer all knowledge to the moon so that the survivors do not have to reinvent the nuclear bomb, "If a compromise cannot be reached"
in short, the airborne base on the moon is the goal (with fountains, of course)

[valentine light]

Good day.
Respect to the author for the truly interesting question raised "what is the plan of action in the future?"
Europe has already been processed by pre-training to create the image of an enemy in the face of our Motherland of Russia, and the new officials who replaced Henry Kessinger's contemporaries piously believe in "Hollywood" than common sense, with their partial political incompetence. "Cocktail" terrible came out of this.

1. Our
officials need to take it on faith and remember that we are incomprehensible and terrible for Europe with "unfairly rich resources" backward ignoramuses.
2. Where it is necessary to prove something, but to inform and DIRECTLY NAME YOUR INTERESTS AND SPHERES OF INFLUENCE.
3. With limitrophes, such as the Baltic states, it is possible and necessary to stop diplomatic relations altogether, for lack of elementary meaning.
4. ACTIVELY conduct your propaganda on radio waves and the Internet. The peoples of Europe are deprived of information about Russia.
5. In response to sabotage and shelling of nuclear power plants, respond to the power plant and electrical substations of Ukraine.
6. Use satellites and, if necessary, fight American targeting satellites.
7.
Neither in, nor in Zaporozhye, nor in Kherson, people should even think that we will leave them alone ..

8. Our UAVs should always be in the sky, calculating the MLRS coming out.

[Third district]

Among the points of the agreement published in the American magazine are recognition by Ukraine of the reunification of Crimea with Russia, the neutral status of Ukraine, the reduction of Ukrainian ground forces (demilitarization), the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson and Zaporozhye

If the withdrawal of Russian troops really happens, then in the abandoned territories, the Ukronazis will carry out genocide and provocations much more insidious than in Bucha.

[Old_smoke]

Dear colleagues on the sofa, share your thoughts... Off topic, but still... Why do we need to grind down the BTG about Avdeevka, and so on. This is where our guys live. It seems to me that “the father of all bombs” is a solution to the problem. Mirnyak has been there for a long time. Screeching from there, is anyone interested? But they will be afraid, and the screaming will subside... It will just be scary. What do you think?

[Mustached Kok]

In this article, I only disagree with the idea that if the conflict drags on, Europe, Ukraine and the United States will run out of power to continue supporting a protracted war.
The fact is that the economies of Europe and the United States are well self-sufficient. She has plenty of her own sources, and there are many more of them than ours.

See:
1. They do not have problems with “import substitution” in strategic industries and the army. They either produce everything strategically necessary themselves or one of their guaranteed allies.
2. Their total territorial economic coverage, together with their allies and the regions where their companies operate, is greater than our entire country. Moreover, they often have climate-favorable regions with cheap labor, which is why the cost of production and extraction of goods is lower than ours.
3. They control the main strategic transport and trade routes. We control only routes in the Central Asian region (and even there we encounter the interests of China and the United States) and internal routes. No one will really use the Nord Stream as an alternative to the Suez route for the next couple of years.
4. They have enough weapons from their warehouses to supply Ukraine for a very long time. Please note that the main array of weapons and equipment supplied to Ukraine are not the latest models.
5. On the territory of Europe and the USA, everything that is necessary for development, and in which case - war, is produced.

Now let's compare:
1. Import substitution was a success and records... failed. Until now, missing production is gradually appearing, but the issue of import substitution was raised in 2014, and so far we have not been able to completely switch to domestic production of at least ONE strategic area. At the same time, the SVO has been going on for 5 months, and who knows what it might develop into. Import substitution should have been completed BEFORE the SVO. And now, in the face of potentially growing losses (and we should not throw out such a scenario for planning), over time we will not be able to make up for losses in some industries.

2. Heavy industry is still in a deplorable state. It exists, but its quantity and capabilities in terms of the volume of supplied products have so far been sufficient for modernization and waging a local war, such as the operation in Syria. We still have news about the next modernization of the T-72/80 batches. This means that there are STILL models that have not undergone modernization. And this, in turn, means that there is NOT ENOUGH INDUSTRIAL power for rapid and massive modernization of equipment. And this is not to mention the fact that developed models of completely new equipment, like the Armata platform, are still not being produced, because it is even more difficult than turfing. Not to mention the fact that some factories have not yet completed their turn for modernization. Although I think that the Armata is a good platform, I understand that the country will not be able to handle mass production. Such equipment will be supplied in batches of dozens of units per year - in some countries SHIPS are produced in large quantities per year.

3. We still have uneven industrial and economic development of the country. On the one hand, this helps a little in the North-West Region, since it is adjacent to the European part of Russia, but in the long term in the North-West Region (and this option also needs to be considered) it will act as a moderator.

When they announced that they would recognize the independence of the LDPR, I was glad. I hoped that now they would reconsider the format of the agreement due to the new status of the participants, and it would be possible to bring the onset of peace in my native Donbass closer. But instead, immediately after the announcement, the SVO began. The Russian leadership has NOT EVEN ATTEMPTED to negotiate in a new format based on the fact that the LDPR is now recognized as independent countries. They have not tried to carry out a series of economic reforms to integrate the infrastructure and economy of the LDPR. They immediately began the SVO, which means that they initially planned to begin implementing their plans according to the power scenario.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Mustachioed Kok

When they announced that they would recognize the independence of the LDPR, I was glad. I hoped that now they would reconsider the format of the agreement due to the new status of the participants, and it would be possible to bring the onset of peace in my native Donbass closer. But instead, immediately after the announcement, they started the SVO....

Most likely, we were simply left with no choice. After all, there were reports that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were preparing to attack the LDPR in March, and in January-February there were reports that the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to gather large forces to the line of contact.... so ours decided to act proactively, but the preparation failed completely + a huge number of mistakes were made in at the beginning of the Northern Military District (miscalculation of our special services, probably miscalculations in the General Staff... problems with logistics, UAVs, communications, intelligence data, etc.) in the end we have what we have.

Regarding the safety margin, the West obviously has a larger one, but they are accustomed to a much higher standard of living, and with the start of the confrontation, the West lost cheap energy resources and this hit it quite seriously... the first fall began in Europe, by winter protests will begin due to the fall standard of living, and a change of many governments and a change in general policy (regarding Russia) is possible, in the USA the situation is better, but not much... the only question is how long the media can distract people from the refrigerator.

Therefore, the winner is clearly not determined: West vs Russia).

As for Ukraine, all we can do is wait and see how it all ends... whether we stop at our current positions and sign Minsk-3/Istanbul-1 or go further.

[Beloemigrant]

iz wseh waszih argumentow wywod 1 nenedlenno udarit SJARS unictozit ichili my proigrajem

[NikolayDS]

The author asks a good question, but it is very provocative and complex. If you answer it frankly and reasonably, you can get an article of the Criminal Code. And it’s also long - if you give not only IMHO, but also the argumentation, then this is 40 pages of typewritten text. I'll try briefly.
In my personal (and not imposed on anyone) opinion, the matter has not been about Ukraine or Mr. Zelinsky for three months now. The issue lies more in the political and economic components than in the military. Therefore, all the complaints about the generals and the speed of implementation of the SVO are not from a great mind. One can also understand such a claim from the residents of Donbass (who have been tired of war for eight years) or from the military on the front line. But when people, say, from Norilsk, are indignant: “how is it - there is no blitzkrieg?” The answer is quite simple and cynical: we fight slowly because it is beneficial for the country. Beneficial from the point of view of domestic policy, beneficial from the point of view of foreign policy (paradoxically), and, in a sense, beneficial economically. Therefore, even if Ukraine begins to comply with the Geneva Conventions, and its troops flee the front in unison (which is not happening everywhere yet), we will still advance slowly. Because in this way, despite the sanctions, we solve many internal problems (perhaps we learned this approach to war, which is unconventional for the Russian mentality, from the United States).
Can the goal of the operation be considered to be the “denazification” of Ukraine? Yes, we can’t deal with our Nazis either! Does anyone really think that by grinding Ukrainian human resources on the front line, we will solve this problem? Sorry, but I don't think so.
Can the elimination of the “Zelensky regime” be considered the goal of a special operation? Again, I think not. If you stop the SVO right now. then the “Zelensky regime” will last for a maximum of two months due to the accumulated economic and political contradictions within the power structures of Ukraine.
Can the purpose of the special operation be considered to be a solution to the problem of non-compliance with the Minsk agreements, or, more precisely, the desire to stop shelling of Donbass? Only to some extent. Will it be possible to achieve “calm” in this region? Completely - No. And at the same time, we entered into a close confrontation with all of Europe, and we will be in a fever over this for a long time. To defeat Europe (not even Ukraine) - we will most likely win by the end of November. But the problem is that it is not profitable for us to defeat it. Unlike the United States, we benefit from an economically strong Europe. Especially against the backdrop of the degradation of centralized power in the United States. It may happen that the balance on the “world chessboard” is so upset that our biggest problem will not be the United States, but China.
What else remains? The situation remains when Mr. Zelinsky wanted to become part of NATO. And what is more important is that Ukraine acquires the status of a nuclear power. And they have something else with biotechnology. And here the SVO has already succeeded and justified itself. In its current state, even if it wants to, Ukraine will not be able to become a member of NATO or acquire the status of a nuclear power. But here, as always, there are nuances. Firstly, the Scandinavian countries will become NATO members. Only for our country (unlike the situation with Ukraine) this is not so critical and the damage to the country’s defense capability will not be so great. And from a geopolitical perspective, the decisions of these countries can be assessed as not a very reasonable political step. It’s clear why Sweden needs this, but where does Finland go?! Secondly, Ukraine announced its desire to become a nuclear power not on its own, but following Turkey (and serious steps have been taken in this direction in both places; this is not just a declaration of intent). And the NWO really helped us, because only thanks to it Turkey became more negotiable. Turkey, like us, benefits from a strong Europe.
The SVO in Ukraine would have already ended, despite all the efforts of Mr. Baidan, if not for two BUTs:
1. Aggressive anti-Russian position of Great Britain. Which I cannot explain by anything other than the “violent insanity” of the elites, or, diplomatically speaking, Great Britain is pursuing its entire policy on the pro-American vector of development. Although, to obtain a “weak Europe” as a result of its activities is political and economic suicide for Great Britain. so it’s in vain that they “rub their hands.”
2. Aggressive anti-Russian position of Poland. If it weren’t for the “Russophobia” of the Polish elites, we would have already divided Ukraine “into three.” But it doesn't seem to be fate. We don’t need such an inadequate Poland at our borders either.
Conclusion: the situation with the goals of the SVO is not very favorable, but if the SVO did not exist, it would be even worse.

[Boris Sergeev]

The Scandinavian countries are blockading St. Petersburg in the Gulf of Finland and the Baltic Fleet has only one minesweeper against their mines, and that one is in Kaliningrad. Check out the Free Press website! The neutral and nuclear-free status of Ukraine is declared in its Declaration of Sovereignty. Russian peace conditions, for which the Pskov special forces and others were deployed as a “gesture of goodwill,” offer the same thing.

[Ivan Pchelin]

Probably just big business. And ordinary people are set on each other like dogs. And we are glad. And commentators who express hostility towards Europe, etc., either did not get along with their parents, or have never seen foreigners.

[runway-1]

The information war is won by the one who gives a more or less understandable image of the future for the mass consciousness. While Ukraine talks about how Kyiv will join the European Union and become part of the collective West, how the standard of living will rise, etc., in the liberated territories they talk about how we will expel the Bandera and Nazis and start celebrating May 9 again. Who looks more convincing?

The question is purely rhetorical!

Why is everything so vague and inexpressive? Why not announce, for example, the Russian irredent, that is, the reunification of Russians in one state, instead of such vague goals? Why do we not see a coherent state ideology? But because all this is not included in the plans for a special military operation in Ukraine. The military operation, in principle, does not provide for the complete liquidation of Ukraine as a state. But then what are these plans?

The reunification of Russians in one state is still not a state idea/ideology, especially for Ukrainians... Then what can the collective “we” offer to the collective “them”, maybe social justice?! So we ourselves are far from doing well with this, to put it mildly.

[certero]

Quote: Torvlobnor IV

How did a state with such sharply sharpened intelligence services, with such long-standing traditions of the Cold War, go so wrong in analyzing the socio-political situation in Ukraine before the North Military District? Or was it like this: if we don’t like the analytics, then such analytics should be thrown into the firebox?

This is not at all surprising.

[NikolayDS]

If you read the comments here, you can identify several typical opinions that express reasonable doubt that “everything is going according to plan” in the SVO. And these people are not some kind of “systemic enemies of the current government,” there is simply a problem that people cannot understand the logic of events, and the Defense Ministry does not at all strive to “smooth out” this situation somehow...
1. Why is the “lightning war” plan rejected? After all, people who closely followed the development of events, even in the limited amount of information available to them, have a clear understanding that such a story took place. And it’s quite difficult to convince them of this.
My opinion is this: yes, such a plan was at the first stage of the SVO. And there were quite realistic reasons for its implementation. I wanted to resolve the issue with “little bloodshed.” But, unfortunately, this plan failed. It's not the fault of poor planning. In my opinion, the reason is that American intelligence outplayed Russian intelligence. This happens during military operations. Or, sometimes, because of betrayal you have to change plans. Hence the spectacular, but senseless landing in Gostomel, hence the subsequent redeployment. After which the plan for a lightning war died out for a long time.
2. Why is the General Staff lying to us? Those. people have some internal sense of reality, “truth” if you like, and it fits very poorly with that. What does a representative of the General Staff tell us? And we are “our own”. We are not strangers - but they don’t trust us. Although we could tell you a little more. This is also an internal feeling for almost all commentators: “what they could tell, but they don’t want to!” And the distressed person goes to look at some CNN photos to find out more. After all, we need to find out what the “general’s conspiracy” is. And this gives rise to the feeling that we are losing the information war.
My opinion is this: maybe we are losing. But... do we really need to win the information war right now? What will this give us militarily or politically? What's the benefit? Do we want Mr. Peskov to compete with Mr. Arestovich in the information field? Please note that Mr. Peskov does not have such good acting skills. Do we want Mr. Putin to pound the heel of his shoe on the podium at the BRICS forum and demand that we be given free drones? No, just imagine for a second? Do we really need this for the sake of self-esteem? Or maybe we can get by somehow?! But seriously, there is a certain problem associated with the peculiarities of the Russian mentality: “the authorities are lying to us, but we will still find out the truth,” and the authorities, just in case, say as little as possible - so as not to “accidentally” babble. This is hardwired into the unconscious of the Russian person and it is unlikely that this situation will improve soon.
3. People point out tactical “failures.” I really want to make sure that the General Staff did not take something into account in its operational plans. In addition, the political situation is changing very quickly now. If Finland mines something there, that’s all, we can’t defeat NATO, which means the North Military District has failed. Logical?
My opinion is this: none of this matters in the slightest. And not because victory in one tactical battle does not win the war. Simply, the information field is such that no one needs our super victories. We can overcome, but it is completely pointless. Even if we take Kyiv tomorrow, at best they will say that they ceded it to us so as not to subject the most valuable cultural monuments to destruction. We are barbarians, eh. The Huns are coming! This situation has never happened in any previous war. Therefore, approaching the NWO with WWII standards is a stupid thing to do. In all previous conflicts, the enemy’s tactical successes, albeit behind the scenes, were recognized by all parties to the conflict. And as a result of this recognition, peace was concluded. This won't happen now. Do not wait. This SVO will not be won on the battlefield, alas. It will be won in the political and economic spheres. And on the battlefield, we need to demonstrate daily dominance over the enemy. Travel at least 2 km per day. There is no need for more, because it is not important. And in this regard, failures and emergencies like “Moscow” or stories with the airfield have a much more negative impact on the results of the airfield than the absence of encirclement, etc. Such stories will still happen - it’s impossible to foresee everything. But this should be avoided if possible.

[ada]

Yes, it’s interesting that everything you indicated is present in the situation (in my opinion), but you must agree that this is only a small part of the array of events.
Yes, the most important thing. You shouldn’t look at the possible end of the Northern Military District, you need to look at the beginning of a probable war with the West, whether there will be a negotiated process between this or not, it doesn’t matter, what matters is how we approach its beginning.

[Mishka78]

Quote: Sovetskiy

The Russian Federation is fighting the Nazis for someone's business interests, because. The dictatorship of the proletariat ended in 1991.
And now what kind of ruling class is in power in the Russian Federation?
And all this talk about the "Russian world" is nothing more than another speculation on nationalist sentiments.

Exactly. They fought in exactly the same way in Syria. For the gas pipeline. Or rather, for his absence, so that Gazprom’s revenue does not fall. Singing songs on TV about “destroying the barmalei on the distant approaches.”
And this is very good if, as in Syria, the interests of business coincide with the interests of the state.
I can’t say that about Ukraine... It feels like some kind of complete agreement.

[ada]

Quote: Mishka78

... they fought in exactly the same way in Syria. For the gas pipeline. Or rather, for his absence, so that Gazprom’s revenue does not fall...

Not quite so, more precisely, so as not to increase the economic potential of Europe (and there, indirectly by the United States) and maintain its presence there before the war. Did you mean Qatari gas?

[Vyacheslav Ivasenko]

VVP announced the SVO with the goal of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. By the term “demilitarization” I mean the complete disarmament of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If they do not agree with this, then their complete defeat and unconditional surrender. By the term “denazification” I mean a complete ban on Bandera, Nazi ideology , up to the physical destruction of its most odious carriers, the rest are tried and sentenced starting from 10 years of imprisonment and above, and after serving their sentence, another 5 years of exile, without the right to return to Ukraine. Moreover, demilitarization and denazification should be carried out throughout the entire territory of Ukraine , right up to its western borders. In my opinion, Putin had the same thing in mind when he set the task. We have enough forces and resources without announcing a general or partial mobilization. What prevents us from calling up reservists for military training, or as it is now fashionable to call them reservists, how was this done in the USSR? They have been preparing for two months so that they can remember the past and go to the front. Why then are soldiers, warrant officers and officers transferred to the reserve after service? And only then, after several years, upon reaching a certain age, they become retirees.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

The author is right that there is absolutely nothing to offer to Ukrainians in the territories controlled by the RF Armed Forces. Russian World.? I beg you, Russian territory.? Another nonsense. What can we offer.,?prosperity.?based on what.? Technologies are being imported from Petrograd to Russia. The legendary Aurora is not built in Russia. Then there are Magnitka, Dneprogess, etc. etc. Americans Avtovae Italians, what do you do? Now Siemens will leave (in Russia since the 19th century. It was necessary to work hard so that he would leave) Russian Railways with Sapsan will become a stake, just like the energy industry without turbines, for nothing the timing of repairs of thermal power plants was postponed to the end of 23 years. Next, themselves And what to offer That.? All will be.? They passed and built communism and overtook America and surpassed it, etc.

[Kapany3]

Quote: military_cat

If a compromise cannot be reached (and so far there is no sign that it will be possible to achieve it)? Is there another plan for this?

That's right, there are no signs of a possible compromise. Moreover, the unimaginable losses in the present and future, which have already been written off by both Western governments and Western companies in order to break economic ties with Russia, do not show that the partners did not expect the consequences and are about to reconsider their decisions, but rather that they made difficult decisions for the long term and are serious. There is a plan, of course.
1. Be patient
2. Tighten your belts
3. Imports to replace goods and technologies with the absence of goods and technologies
4. Cheer yourself up with stories that a war of annihilation has been unleashed and is being waged against us (and not that the main plan for a small victorious war did not work, but there was no spare)

Sign up as a volunteer, and you will be happy to perform great feats. And so, you don’t need to wag your tongue like a dog with his housekeeping, you don’t need much intelligence. And the author is simply fantastic...

[ivan2022]

Quote from Kuziming

I would correct, "restore the empire." The USSR was a flawed state. First of all, because of the reality-denying ideology.

It is the real ideology of the modern world that will not allow the restoration of the Empire. No one wants to get into the noose of colonial slavery. You are at least 200 years late.

Heh... Heh.. Here in Russia, the Russians don’t know how to run a business precisely because the moment someone becomes the “owner”, they immediately begin a wild squeeze. And they send him...... And no one wants to deal with him. That's it, Mr. "realist"

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Serg4545

The author is making a fuss about something incomprehensible. First, he comes up with a version, and plugs the logical holes in it with new fantasies.

///The initial plan of the North Military District, as has been said many times, provided for a short-term operation with a minimum number of casualties, the result of which would be a change of power in Ukraine. Instead of Zelensky’s team, power was temporarily supposed to pass into the hands of the pro-Russian Viktor Medvedchuk and former Ukrainian politicians like Oleg Tsarev. It was expected that local administrations would happily go over to Russia ////

First, he categorically states that the Northern Military District was planned as a quick, victorious war.
It is obviously useless to ask for evidence for this claim, because there is no such evidence in nature.
But there are a lot of inconsistencies. The forces and means used by the Russian side are completely insufficient for a quick, victorious war.
An intelligent person, seeing such an obvious contradiction, would question the original assertion that the SVO was intended as a short-term operation.
The author instead simply came up with another theory. They say the small contingent of our troops is explained by the fact that there was a hope for the surrender of the Ukrainian authorities and the change of this government.
Again, it is useless to demand proof of this assertion. How can there be evidence for something that did not exist in nature?
So it turns out that the author plugs the logical holes in the invented theory with the same invented fantasies.

Let's remember Syria.
When we sent troops into Syria, ISIS (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) was in full swing in the Middle East. This organization then bent over everyone. 90 percent of the territory of Syria was occupied by various groups with whom we had to fight.
And what forces has Russia allocated to fight hundreds of thousands of battle-hardened and well-armed fanatics?
In Syria, there were 20-30 aircraft at the same time, a small number of helicopters. A number of advisors and MTRs. Limited supply of weapons to the Syrian army. Well, that's practically all.
Extremely small forces compared to enemy forces.
But if you follow the author’s logic, then these small forces of the Russian army indicated that our leadership was planning a fleeting campaign. And the Russian leadership expected that the leadership of the Syrian gangs, after Russian forces entered the battle, would immediately surrender. But the Russian leadership fatally miscalculated) and the gangs did not surrender to us) And we had to fight there for several years to achieve results.
This is the author's logic.

I have a different logic. There is no need to create unnecessary entities.
If the forces and means used in Ukraine were clearly not enough for a quick victorious company, then a FAST AND VICTORIOUS COMPANY WAS NOT PLANNED.
Point.

Quote: Serg4545

FAST AND WINNING COMPANY

1.po mojemu byla w plane operacja specjalna-prorosyjskij pucz zusilenemm WS RF pohoze na zahwat dworca H Amina tolko w Kabule efekt w Kijewie prowal info utekla predatelej w Rosji hot odbawlaj.
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[agond]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

The author is right that there is absolutely nothing to offer to Ukrainians in the territories controlled by the RF Armed Forces. Russian World.? I beg you, Russian territory.? Another nonsense. What can you suggest?

When Ukraine separated, they were offered a lot and a lot of things were available... but now it turns out that we need to offer them something again, is this payment for loyalty or compensation?

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: ivan2022

Quote from Kuziming

I would correct, "restore the empire." The USSR was a flawed state. First of all, because of the reality-denying ideology.

It is the real ideology of the modern world that will not allow the restoration of the Empire. No one wants to get into the noose of colonial slavery. You are at least 200 years late.

Heh... Heh.. Here in Russia, the Russians don’t know how to run a business precisely because the moment someone becomes the “owner”, they immediately begin a wild squeeze. And they send him...... And no one wants to deal with him. That's it, Mr. "realist"

1,nado Wosstanawlat nie ad CCCP a Russkuju Imperju boze Cara chrani kolonizatory nikogo ne sprasziwali siloj podczinjali sovetuju istorju Britanskoj Imperii proczitat w militere jest mnogo interesnogo u Rosji sila jest drugim podczinitsa polozeno tolko iz mentaliteta nado wykinut m jakkost i humanizm nado stat istinnymi barinami szto bez ugryzen sowesti holopow eksploatirujut i kramolu usmirajut a snmutjan kaznjat

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: NikolayDS

the opponents, albeit behind the scenes, were recognized by all participants in the conflict. And based on the results of this

polnoja czusz mir pobeditel nawzazywal pobezdenemu RIM Kartagenu Ententa centralnym gosudarstwom CCCPi jego sojuzniki stranam Osi iskluczenje jest kogda konczitsa nicjej ili tupikom Korea= nicja Wetnami Afgan wojenne tupiki polityczeskoje porazenja USA wsjakij dogoworn jak nedopustimyj nado wojewat do bezgoworocznoj kapitulacji wraga

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

Everything is going according to the plan of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

The initial plan of the Northern Military District, as has been said several times, provided for a short-term operation

Did the author communicate this discovery to those who planned the SVO? So none of those who announced this had any idea about such a quick implementation of the SVO. After these lines from the author, further text became uninteresting.

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: A vile skeptic

Am I not clear enough? I can repeat:

Do you think an estimate for repairs to your home. And came to the conclusionthat in order to complete the work, it is enough for you to attract 5 people to meet the weekly deadline. Will you hire 5 people or 25?

The prerequisites are indicated to you, why are you replacing them?
But back to your answer:

If the work needs to be done in a week, then 5 people.

You are hiring 5 people.
And then it turns out that you incorrectly calculated the amount of work, because you did not take into account hidden factors that could not be determined before the start of the repair. And 5 people cannot complete it in a week.
If the calculation turned out to be incorrect, does this mean that the idea was different and you wanted to make repairs not in a week, but in a month?

Wy ne po teme genstabisty delajut prawilne razczety po normam wojennogo isskustwa a sztatskije lezut w armejskij monastyr z grazdanskim ustawom i meszajut wasz ptimer horoszij dla obuczanja prorabow w stroitelnym technikume a ne do planirowki bojewych dejstwij

[certero]

Quote: ivan2022

I apologize in advance, but what you write looks like nonsense. Do you even realize that in the days of the "lot of the older generation" such a fantastic conflict as Russia against Ukraine could not exist at all?

Once again, spell it out. There can be no socialism in Russia now due to the lack of strength that this very socialism can provide.
The most active generation of Russia found socialism in the worst manifestation of the collapse of the Union.
The main difference between the communist system, the first part of which is socialism, is the absence of people who own the means of production. In other words, a person’s only source of income is his personal labor or personal achievements. therefore, there are no prerequisites for the emergence of such public information in modern Russia.
All your arguments about the plan have nothing to do with socialism.

[ada]

I agree with you on this issue - there are no driving forces for socialism now, but for greater socialization and equalization of people in real rights and opportunities there is some basis, including that created by the real state apparatus, and the demand of the population is there, whether it is well expressed or incorrect, it doesn’t matter, many people have this feeling of the need for justice, it is simply felt or felt at an everyday level.
But my remark is not about this, but about considering the issue against the backdrop of a relatively peaceful time, but no one will give it to us, so processes in the social system may take an unpredictable forced path. Why not towards socialist transformations?

[Raven 95]

VVP said that the occupation of Ukraine is not part of our plans. Therefore, to say that the RF Armed Forces, at the limit of their capabilities, cannot push the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk is not correct. That’s right, we haven’t really started anything yet............. and we don’t plan to start.
To say that VVP is so stupid that he thought that our troops would be greeted with flowers, and that intelligence gave incorrect information, I also think is wrong.
Yes, everything went wrong. Someone in Kyiv, into whose hands power was supposed to fall, chickened out/was liquidated/or something else at the last moment. And at that moment the military support of the Russian Armed Forces was already surrounding Kyiv and other large cities. Denazification and demilitarization were planned to be carried out by the hands of the Ukrainians themselves, by the new government.
And then came plan B.
That is, a war with the West. Here the main “combat actions” are transferred to Europe. The goal is to create the most uncomfortable conditions for Europe. And here a quick victory in Ukraine is not required at all. On the contrary, the goal is to prolong the conflict as much as possible and cause discontent in Western society due to a drop in living standards. The longer the special operation goes on, the more Westerners feel its influence on themselves. These include arms supplies, which put a strain on budgets, and refugees, and a strain on energy. That's why we don't destroy bridges. Therefore, Russia is as tolerant as possible to all attacks of the Tribalts and Poles. It is important that Western people begin to realize that their enemy is not Russia, but Ukraine.
And after the cessation of Western support, Ukraine will live exactly one day.

[ada]

I am very pleased that you are considering the military aspect of events. In addition, I propose to accept several clarifications, namely:
Occupation is a rather relative concept against the backdrop of the need for us to have a foothold on the territory of Ukraine in order to form an adequate response to the United States. I am sure that the United States (let’s roughly call the main vector of the opposing forces) knows what and in what configuration we need to form a full-fledged response to the challenge and rather does not fully involve the leadership of NATO and some of the countries of the bloc in this, but actively opposes us, we know what is needed USA and what can be done about it, but the term itself in relation to the occupation of territories is not important to us, provided that certain legal formalities are observed.
The war with the West - yes, this is a war of the United States for resources and influence with the help of Europe, our main task during the Northern Military District can be expressed as the disruption of the military planning of the United States and the World Bank with the involvement of NATO and satellite countries, the creation of conditions complicating Europe’s preparation for war, including including economically, at least with a postponement of the readiness date or a refusal to start it in the next few years. Yes, Ukraine is not the only region inciting conflict, the United States always has a subsequent (duplicating) or layered one on the way - they like to mass events, not to deny practicality. There, for more than 30 years, preparations for a “Great War in Europe” have been going on with varying intensity and varying success; this is exactly what we don’t need now, and indeed in general.

[TerraSandera]

As usual, “all the goals of the special operation will be achieved” “The special operation is going according to plan” This is all you (we) need to know. The rest is the lot of the powers that be.

[Mitia68]

The goals of the SVO are purely domestic political. I don't care about NATO at all.
Ensuring a smooth transition of power on a rising wave of patriotism and leadership support.

[Sedoy]

and would contradict the real plan for the military operation in Ukraine

well... if there was a real plan, it collapsed in the first couple of weeks...
Moreover, evil tongues claim that the first tactical working maps of the BTGr‌ were drawn up only on January 18...
and the start was scheduled for February 20...
ends on March 6...
what if this is not a break from reality...

[Sedoy]

sooner or later, Ukraine, which is suffering great human and financial losses, and its Western “partners” who support it, also bearing considerable economic costs, will not endure this war to the point of attrition and will agree to peace on Russian terms.

It’s strange that the author doesn’t ask himself whether we’ll survive... :)
there are enough people in dill, they are not afraid of mobilization there; they already have multiple superiority in “those under arms”...
There just aren't enough military resources...
The Western economy is no match for ours - it can be pumped and pumped...
so, on the other hand, the question of how long is enough is purely political and nothing more, they will decide to play the long game - they will provide resources for years - until our guts burst...
that's why we would need to finish this quickly...

All that's left is to wait a little. Already now one can observe the appearance of materials in some publications that “the Ukrainian authorities will not last until winter.”

Just recently they claimed that they would take the money in three days...
so, looking at the media is not respecting yourself...

[Sedoy]

Only one question arises - what will happen if the USA, Britain and their allies, and Ukraine, which is completely controlled by them, which is supplied by the collective West, do not agree to Russia’s conditions?

this is not a question at all... :)
They didn’t stir up anti-Russia from Ukraine in order to compromise...
ukrostan is a well-thought-out trap on their part, into which they lured Russia, forcing them to start their own unprepared...
but the main problem is not this, but the fact that the Moscow leaders are not going to step up anything militarily...
sluggish "war" and the current state of the country - schizophrenia...

[Peaceful SEO]

Quote: okean969

Author, did you answer the question posed at the head of the article?

Did the author have such a goal? He has all the articles from the series “the cast is removed, the client is leaving” and if we don’t announce general mobilization right now, then everything will be crap

[Bigriver]

Quote: Serg4545

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If the forces and means used in Ukraine were clearly not enough for a quick victorious company, then a FAST AND VICTORIOUS COMPANY WAS NOT PLANNED.
Point.

Exactly!
Between the strategy of Crush and the strategy of Exhaustion, the second one was quite reasonably chosen.
Between “fast”, “high quality” and “cheap” you always need to choose two priorities.
If it’s done with high quality and with little effort (not expensive), it means it won’t be done quickly.

[NikolayDS]

It's funny that, speaking about Ukraine. everyone puts the US first and then its allies. While the United States itself strongly emphasizes its non-participation. The US insists that it provides only political, financial and Lend-Lease support. But for all commentators, the United States in Ukraine is enemy number one. In reality, the United States would like the NWO in Ukraine to continue forever, but without its participation. If the SVO in Ukraine lasts less than a year and a half, this will already be a victory. We would like to finish this before 2024 (although I think it will all end at the end of November this year). For the United States, Europe is a testing ground and a business competitor. What the United States needs to solve internal problems is for all of Europe to fight, and for the United States to implement Lend-Lease. So the United States in Ukraine sits in the third line of defense and shoots in the forehead those European partners who are trying to escape to the rear. And he also sends his political instructor, Great Britain, to the second line of defense.
But we invariably fight with the USA, because the USA is the hegemon (this is our size!), but to fight with Ukraine - “no, their grenades are of the wrong system.” Although the United States says to Russia almost openly - “first defeat my little brother” Europe.

[IvanSviridov]

And I would like to accuse the author of defeatism, but somehow everything looks smooth and “fights” with the facts.

[RED_ICE]

And again, no one will be punished for the death of a Russian special forces detachment in Kharkov on February 27 and the landing party in Bucha.

[Imperial Technocrat]

when the Ukrainian Armed Forces once again launch missile strikes on Russian territory

And what were the “next missile attacks” on Russian territory? Yes, there were several attempts by Tochka-U, but all were shot down, only once did debris (cassettes) fall on houses. There are artillery attacks on the outskirts of border areas. What next missile attacks are we talking about?

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Per se.

The time of capitalism and the bourgeoisie in Russia

wremja komunizma i komunistow okonczilos s dnem smerti Stalina wsjo pozdneje eto muki umijajuszczego gorbaczow prikonczil CCCP jelcyn pohoronil