Pentagon official: Explosions at Novofedorovka airfield in Crimea were caused by Ukrainian shelling

A material has appeared on the website of the US military department, which deals with the causes of explosions at a military airfield in the Novofedorovsky area of ​​the Saksky district in Crimea. Recall that earlier the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that the explosions were caused by careless handling of aviation ammunition. At the same time, politician Oleg Tsarev claimed that military equipment at the airfield was not damaged. However, after some time, American satellite images appeared on the network, as it was claimed, with the consequences of the explosions in Novofedorovka imprinted on them. The photographs showed damaged and destroyed aircraft. The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on this publication (satellite images).

The Pentagon, meanwhile, said that the explosions at a military airfield in Crimea "were caused by Ukrainian shelling." This is the first official comment from the US military on this matter.

A note from the US military department states that "the Pentagon has information that on August 9, the Ukrainian military carried out shelling of the Saki airbase located in Crimea."

At the same time, the material refers to a certain unnamed official, who does not say what kind of weapons the Armed Forces of Ukraine used to shell the airfield.

From the note:

The shelling of the airfield significantly affected the Russian military aviation and the personnel of the airbase.

It is specifically added that the Ukrainian troops "did not use American weapons to attack the military airfield in Novofedorovka." This is at least the third time that words have been heard from the United States that Washington did not supply Ukraine with weapons, capable of "getting" to the specified military facility in the Crimea.

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[Flooding]

New commander of the Black Sea Fleet appointed

[Borik]

Unambiguously, the commander should be responsible for all losses in the first place. Well, then, descending, those who allowed it. And at the airport, in my opinion, there was sabotage.

[mitroha]

At the same time, the material refers to a certain unnamed official, who does not say what kind of weapons the Armed Forces of Ukraine used to shell the airfield.

Everything you need to know about this application. They lie like they breathe

[Adrey]

Quote: Mitroha

does not say what kind of weapons the Armed Forces of Ukraine used to shell the airfield.

And they had to tell in detail who fired, what they fired, where they fired from, lay out the diagrams? It seems that next time we would certainly be ready

[ruha]

From the fact that they will tell the journalists it would be a plus. But they have nothing to say. Rather, it is a matter of chance and they themselves are shocked that it happened. And at the expense of repeating, it is unlikely to succeed. If our military does not tell us, then they know what happened and how.

[Adrey]

Quote: ruha

But they have nothing to say.

But, there is something to show us. Unfortunately.

[Alemax]

And at the expense of repeating, it is unlikely to succeed

And they do it with enviable constancy.

[Grits]

Quote: ruha

If our military does not tell us, then they know what happened and how.

It has already become a pattern - if ours are suspiciously silent about the reasons for what happened, then for sure these are attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (possibly, together with NATO).
So I do not rule out that all the talk about sloppiness at the airfield (as well as about the death of the Moscow), about fires in the steppe, is a great opportunity to justify oneself. Justify that the air defense overslept this UAV raid, missile strike (the shells obviously won’t reach), or the guards overslept the DRG. So you can safely record the destroyed and damaged aircraft in the successful operation of the Ukrainian warriors, no matter how insulting it would be to admit

[sds87]

Like some kind of emergency on our territory, so ours are silent in a rag, and the whole world lays out the details. As a result, public opinion is formed on the materials of InoSMI. How long will we pursue a passionate policy?

[Sergio_7]

Everyone is inclined to the version that there was negligence and sabotage. The pictures confirm the loss of aircraft, alas.

[dmi.pris1]

In our south, the temperature is already over 35 for a week .. A grenade in dry grass will have the same result .. And it may be time for Tsarev to sit quietly and not shine. For it is shameful for him. Kharkov and Mariupol are on his neck in 2014 ..

[Mikhail Sidorov]

And it may be time for Tsarev to sit quietly and not shine. For it is shameful for him. Kharkov and Mariupol in 2014 are on his neck ..

Well, let's add Putin's godfather, and we won't remove the blame from the Supreme. By the way, a kumanek from the information space has disappeared somewhere ...

[Grits]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

By the way, a kumanek from the information space has disappeared somewhere ...

From a damp basement, it’s somehow difficult to get on the Internet, apparently.

[RED_ICE]

In the shade you forgot to add

[Vadim237]

Everyone is inclined to this who - even the pictures show that the warehouses at such a distance from each other by no means can detonate, and two out of three at the same time, everything indicates that the base was most likely attacked by drones with explosives at the moment when ammunition was unloaded or loaded from the warehouses . In Sevastopol, on July 31, the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet was attacked with the help of a drone with explosives, and these organizers were never found.

[Alexander Salenko]

We need different ones. They recently tied up those who pierced the wheels of a car with the letters Z. So they could find saboteurs. I needed a peremoga, well, like that.
paramogly.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And at the airport, in my opinion, there was sabotage.

Judging by the funnels, it was OTRK ATACMS.

[Carlos Hall]

It's time to fight laziness and incompetence. The death of the large cruiser Moskva, and now this catastrophe at the airport. I sincerely believe that he should be brought before a military tribunal. And not only Osipov, but also some of his main subordinates.

[Alemax]

If you "sincerely believe", then you know in detail the circumstances of all incidents?
Do not share knowledge?

[Carlos Hall]

Do not obscure me with details and circumstances. All to their posts in strict order and with wide eyes. Discipline, discipline and more discipline. The Romans practiced "decimatio" when the army did not respond. Since there are few troops, it seems to me more reasonable to use Roman tactics with high and medium rank officers who neglect their duties. I consider Mizintsev the most suitable person for leadership of this special operation in Ukraine. Mizintsev by direct order with direct communication with President Putin, without intermediaries. That the presidential decrees reach Mizintsev directly and are carried out exactly

[Alemax]

And the General Staff and PLANNING, of course, are in the furnace.
I didn't really expect any other answer.

[SovAr238A]

Quote from Alex

If you "sincerely believe", then you know in detail the circumstances of all incidents?
Do not share knowledge?

Society invented the division of labor several thousand years ago.
Accordingly, the division of responsibility, it came up with the same.
Everyone is obliged to bear responsibility for the segment that corresponds to his activity.
And it doesn't matter why the shoemaker has bad boots - the shoemaker is to blame.
And it doesn’t matter why the turner has a marriage - the turner is to blame.
Accordingly, everything related to military affairs is the fault of the military. And no one else.
And in the first place, the leader is always to blame.
Always.
Either he was unable to ensure labor discipline and is not competent, or one of the two.
The labor of a military man is the same labor, like that of others, subject to standards, regulations, and instructions.
And it is he who is responsible regardless of the details of the circumstances.
This is the same division of labor and responsibility.
And then in our military society over the past 70 years a sense of complete irresponsibility has developed.
But the world is not like that.

[Alemax]

And in the first place, the leader is always to blame.
Always.

That's for sure. Apparently, Osipov did not carry out timely and high-quality modernization of the KChF, including the RKr Moscow Apparently, Osipov made it so that there is nothing to fight or defend at sea. Osipov blew through the Naval Aviation of the same Red Banner Fleet.
Guilty. Definitely.
For that, now everything will be different, and another dude, who has not commanded a ship of the First Rank for a single day and has been wiping his pants for half his life in Okodemia, will fix everything. A person over 60, of course, will respond / succumb to a superior boss more quickly and explain why everything is so and not otherwise. Moreover, oh A close friend of Evmenov. Oh.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Alex

Apparently, Osipov did not carry out a timely and high-quality modernization of the KChF, including the RKr Moscow

And who sent the non-modernized RRC with zero low-altitude air defense to the combat zone?
Who planned the passage of the "Rescuer Vasyl Bekha" in such a way that he was drowned?
Where did a couple of RLD helicopters transferred to the Black Sea Fleet go?

Quote from Alex

Apparently, Osipov made it so that there was nothing to fight or defend at sea. Osipov blew through the Naval Aviation of the same Red Banner Fleet.

And to request help - the same kiaps of the Federation Council - who interfered?

[Alemax]

And you, apparently, are aware of what he requested there, and what is not? I am not defending Osipov at all, but
a) Horses are not changed at the crossing;
b) everything that you have listed is done by the headquarters of the fleet and the General Staff of the Navy.
And as for sabotage, this is generally the domain of the FSB and Counterintelligence, and thank them.

[Berkut154]

Never got it right! The Black Sea Fleet is subordinate to the Southern Military District! So there is no General Staff of the Navy here.

[Alemax]

It is part of the Southern Military District, like the Caspian Flotilla. And it is subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, and not the Southern Military District.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Alex

I am not defending Osipov at all, but
a) Horses are not changed at the crossing;

Uh-huh ... we already had one irreplaceable horse. In the last war in the Baltic. Ruined the best personnel of the submarine, leaving them alone to break through the anti-submarine position.

[Alemax]

Well, the time to build up, as the meme of Vladimir Vladimirovich used to say, is now up to fe ha, so let's look at Sokolov.
Something tells me that nothing will really change.

[igorka357]

About the shoemaker and the turner, it’s not so for a long time. There was a familiar turner, he told .. how they gave him metal, naked raw meat, and the authorities ordered him to make details on the quality of which people's lives depended.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Flooding:

—- Not belittling, but comparing the biographies of Sokolov and Osipov, for the life of me it is not clear how and why Osipov was appointed in the first place, a fly-badge ....

—- Sokolov "... led a military campaign in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​a detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet, led by Admiral Kuznetsov of the Fleet of the Soviet Union and Peter the Great .." Yes, the campaign was with smoke and the loss of 2 carrier-based fighters. But he fought.

- Osipov neither by ear nor spirit. And 10 years less experience/younger (47 years old). Looks like someone was pulling/pushing..

[The leader of the Redskins]

There is such a term in propaganda - "rotten herring".
When there is a massive amount of stuffing one news from different angles. If only the phrase was repeated.
Most likely, the Americans are doing just that now. Either they fired, then they didn’t fire, and something else ... If only the layman remembered Novofedorovka and began to fear the next "claps".

[TEX-50]

Well, yes, at the same time they emphasize that the Ukrainians did it, as if hinting ... ATACMS plays with new colors.

[Lech from Android.]

It is amazing that the equipment is exhibited at the airfield as if on a parade and the Americans have the opportunity to observe everything that happens at our military facility.
It is difficult for me to understand the logic of commanding this object relaxed like in a resort.
A lot of unpleasant questions arose about the organization of security and camouflage.
Attack on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet ... now explosions of ammunition ... such a sequence of events suggests that a group of experienced saboteurs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is operating there.
And the statements of the Moscow Region on this matter resemble the yellow press ... they carry who knows what, like the layman will swallow it on faith.

[hell machine]

Now imagine if the Ukrainians had missiles for 300+ km, and if they had old Soviet cruise missiles for 2000+, then I think the brilliant generals could lose aircraft directly 300 pieces per day.
You can watch the video of the Mo RF, there are giant rows of planes, 20 each, at airfields (I saw this in the video about the Su-34), apparently they are waiting for a saboteur on a copter to throw off a grenade and damage the planes.
Build a shelter for 25-30 years for aircraft, nah .... Let technology for a billion rubles become an easy target even for an ordinary grenade.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from hell machine

Build a shelter for 25-30 years for aircraft, nah .... Let technology for a billion rubles become an easy target even for an ordinary grenade.

Apparently those who should deal with this issue consider it a secondary matter ... in general, with such slovenliness and complacency, new incidents should be expected at our military facilities.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from hell machine

Build a shelter for 25-30 years for aircraft, nah .... Let technology for a billion rubles become an easy target even for an ordinary grenade.

Pfff ... remember the epic with shelters on Khmeimim.
Despite the experience of Afghan, despite all the warnings, against UAV raids, the first ersatz shelters in the form of walls of two rows of gabions appeared only in the spring of 2018. And protected indoor shelters - only in 2019.

[your1970]

Only now no one planned to fight with Ukraine 10 years ago ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: your1970

Only now no one planned to fight with Ukraine 10 years ago ...

And what does the war with Ukraine have to do with it? Shelters for aircraft are needed for any development of events - even in peacetime. Although I would because no one is safe from peacetime incidents, such as the X-29 dropped at the same airfield.

And in general, isn't it too wasteful to keep planes worth 80-100 million evergreens in open parking all year round, for which the covers are the only protection?

I'm not talking about all the delights of the work of technicians on an airplane in the parking lot - say, in winter, but with a breeze.

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey RA

And in general, isn’t it too wasteful to keep planes worth 80-100 million evergreens in open parking all year round, for which the covers are the only protection

I am for!!!
The problem is that even the USSR didn’t pull it - the Russian Federation won’t pull it all the more

[Alexey RA]

Quote: your1970

The problem is that even the USSR didn’t pull it - the Russian Federation won’t pull it all the more

A start has been made - Korenovsk and Baltimore have already acquired shelters. Next up is Yelizovo. At least from above, and then you can put up the walls - either just shield-prefabricated or reinforced.

Many airfields have typical arched shelters from the times of the USSR. But, unfortunately, they were built based on the size of the previous generation machines - MiG-23/27 and Su-24 (with folded wings). So the Su-27 family can only be put in them if the endings are sawed off.

shelter 2A/13 has dimensions of 12,9 x 28 m (width * depth)

Shelters have another plus - they interfere with satellite reconnaissance in terms of assessing the number of aircraft and their real location.

[Piramidon]

Quote from hell machine

Now imagine if the Ukrainians had missiles for 300+ km, and if they had old Soviet cruise missiles for 2000+

And if there were vigorous loaves, and if ICBMs were in their mines, and if five Ukrainian aircraft carriers were based in Nikolaev, and if ......

[Sedoy]

And if there were vigorous loaves

they have "neptune"...
"It was previously stated that by 2020 the Neptune anti-ship missiles could enter service with the Air Force"

https://topwar.ru/172442-naskolko-opasen-ukrainskij-neptun.html

[bayard]

Quote from hell machine

Now imagine if the Ukrainians had missiles for 300+ km

In the former Ukraine, since 2015, they have been working on the Grom-2 rocket - an analogue of Iskander, but in a composite case (Iskander has a metal case), there is no information about the ultimate success of this program, but enough time has passed for something to then turn out. The Americans helped them with the guidance system, the Saudis paid for the development. But here the options are 50/50.
But the fact that ATACMS could be supplied not by the United States, but, say, England, is.
It could have been a sabotage.
There could have been an accident due to the negligence or inattention of overworked l / s weapons services.
But the fact is that the military aircraft suffered, and up to half of the air regiment (it has two squadrons) of the Black Sea Fleet was disabled.

Quote from hell machine

Build a shelter for 25-30 years for aircraft, nah .... Let technology for a billion rubles become an easy target even for an ordinary grenade.

This is the sloppiness of the Ministry of Defense - not to build shelters for military aviation, at least light - hangar type. In Syria, it was necessary to wait for several successful UAV raids with "toy" bombs in order to build double sheds in aircraft parking lots. After all, such hangars and canopies not only protect aircraft from dust and precipitation, fragments and light ammunition, but also hide the number, presence and composition of aircraft at the base / airfield.
And it's not at all difficult and not expensive.
Baltimore also seems to have open parking lots.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

After all, such hangars and canopies not only protect aircraft from dust and precipitation, fragments and light ammunition, but also hide the number, presence and composition of aircraft at the base / airfield.
And it's not at all difficult and not expensive.

The most interesting thing is that the army aviation was the first to take care of such shelters. Even despite the fact that she is armed with vertical take-off vehicles, and covered shelters prevent her from performing an emergency take-off directly from parking lots in which case.

Quote: bayard

Baltimore also seems to have open parking lots.

Nah, by that time, something had come to the traditional Air Force.

On bmpd there was a post about shelters in Baltimore with the title "When bear-2 died in the forest". The first bear died with the start of such construction on Khmeimim.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

Nah, by that time, something had come to the traditional Air Force.

Well, let it be at least later than after the blows of the enemy.
The most annoying thing is that the Arabs of BV and North Africa, at our instigation, have had capital concrete caponiers for aviation since the 70s, but they have not been honored with themselves.
If the Sumerians really had something long-range, then similar surprises could be repeated in other places.
Something needs to be done with the pace of the NWO.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

The most annoying thing is that the Arabs of BV and North Africa, at our instigation, have had capital concrete caponiers for aviation since the 70s, but they have not been honored with themselves.

So we had arched shelters at airfields - since the days of the USSR.

I met information that since the late 60s, about 2000 such shelters have been built in the USSR itself and more than 1500 in the Groups of Forces.
The problem is that the dimensions of the shelter were designed for third-generation aircraft.

The arched shelter is a reinforced concrete shelter (RCS), a structure of semi-arches with ribs 60 cm thick, sprinkled with earth and covered with turf, which is also a good camouflage. The dimensions of the main room in which the combat aircraft is located, in terms of 12,9 × 28 meters (there are separate arched shelters built both shorter and longer).

MiG-27 and Su-24 (as you can see from the photo) got up in shelters. But the Su-27 with its wing span of 14,7 meters is gone.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

But the Su-27 with its wing span of 14,7 meters is gone.

And what did the world's best presidents and defense ministers do? Especially the last 8 years?
22 years of getting up from his knees led to the fact that aircraft costing 30-50 million dollars. stand in the open air. And in our climate. And in the conditions of the flaring up big war.
Moreover, the vast majority of such arched shelters remained in the Warsaw Pact countries, in the Baltic "countries", Ukraine, Belarus ...
So MO Su-35S buys for 50 million dollars. , and - to the open area. Under dust, rain, snowdrifts in winter ... The equipment is reliable.
And then we are surprised that with one blow half of the regiment's aircraft equipment is put out of action. And the blow is not at all massive ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

22 years of getting up from his knees led to the fact that aircraft costing 30-50 million dollars. stand in the open air. And in our climate. And in the conditions of the flaring up big war.

So they have been standing there since the time of dear Mikhail Sergeevich. Hike, for 35 years in the Air Force, everyone is already accustomed to the fact that Sushki = open parking.

Quote: bayard

Moreover, the vast majority of such arched shelters remained in the Warsaw Pact countries, in the Baltic "countries", Ukraine, Belarus ...

And what's the point of them if nothing of the weapons that is in service fits into the Soviet ZhBU - except for the Su-24 line?

Quote: bayard

And then we are surprised that with one blow half of the regiment's aircraft equipment is put out of action. And the blow is not at all massive ...

Temporary embankment of aircraft stands in Khmeimim - at the forward air base in the war zone - was completed in the third year after the relocation of aircraft. That's all you need to know about our Air Force VKS.

[AdAstra]

It’s strange, but for such an approximately meaning, the question of cons was thrown to me, but you don’t, or here what is supposed to Jupiter is not supposed to ...

[Third district]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It is amazing that the equipment is exhibited at the airfield as if in a parade

Judging by the footage from Syria, even their Air Force has covered aircraft parking. Which are difficult to penetrate even with a rocket. Not like a kamikaze drone. And in our country, no matter what airfield they show, planes are everywhere wing to wing in an empty place.

[Alien From]

Dear Leader! But we really don’t know where we’ll fly next time. And it's very scary!

[16112014nk]

Changed admirals. Will something change from changing the awl to soap?

[hell machine]

Spoiler: No =)
There, dismiss the officer on duty at that moment, the commander of the unit + those whose actions led to the emergency. As we can see, a purely cosmetic dismissal, then they will give command elsewhere

[16112014nk]

Well, that was a rhetorical question. It is clear that under the current system, change is unlikely. And we need radical ones.

[Piramidon]

Quote from hell machine

There to dismiss the officer on duty

The main culprit is DSC.

[hell machine]

And him, too, the duty officer is still higher than the DSC. If this is sabotage, then the person responsible for the PAT can be fired and put in jail.
But as you can see, there is nothing of the kind. Well, we just lost 5 billion worth of equipment. It’s not scary at all! Give them medals!
But these are just dreams, so that those responsible for the crime and the state of emergency will be punished.

[Piramidon]

Quote from hell machine

But these are just dreams, so that those responsible for the crime and the state of emergency will be punished.

As a rule, the lowest link is punished. That's why I wrote about DSC

[hell machine]

As a result, they will punish the orderly on the nightstand who was =) They will give a reprimand!

[Saboteur_Navy]

Deep reconnaissance for this uses mortars, usually so that they don’t spot where

[Adrey]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Deep reconnaissance for this uses mortars, usually so that they don’t spot where

Yes, yes ... In broad daylight in a densely populated and even resort area. Apparently silent Polish ones as much as 60 mm, or 120, but with a silencer that was dragged on a hump along with mines . And so from 4 kilometers (closer somehow pale to the protected object), without shooting, immediately to defeat. And the warehouse, apparently from above, was just covered with a tarpaulin, or concrete-piercing mines

[Saboteur_Navy]

There are different mortars, with different charges, I’ll tell you a secret - deep intelligence all over the world often uses caches prepared in advance ... and agents, you confused tactical intelligence with depth, you lack the depth of knowledge
In general, I wrote about ordinary cases and not about this one in particular, I don’t know anything about Crimea, but I suspect that leaving the SBU and military intelligence did a lot of caches ...

[Adrey]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

and agents, you confused tactical intelligence with depth

I didn't confuse anything. What does intelligence have to do with saboteurs besides the name of the DRG. Intelligence should generally "not shine" (tasks are completely different).

And so from 4 kilometers (closer somehow pale to the protected object), without shooting, immediately to defeat. And the warehouse, apparently from above, was just covered with a tarpaulin, or wassat concrete-piercing mines

Can you comment?

[Saboteur_Navy]

I got it, good luck

[4ekist]

Adrei: Apparently silent Polish as much as 60 mm, or 120, but with a silencer that they dragged on a hump .....

Why not. Only not on a hump, but in the trunk of a car. Read on copper how the Kursk Khalino airfield was fired upon and how they were looking for saboteurs.

[Adrey]

Quote: 4ekist

Adrei: Apparently silent Polish as much as 60 mm, or 120, but with a silencer that they dragged on a hump .....

Why not. Only not on a hump, but in the trunk of a car. Read on copper how the Kursk Khalino airfield was fired upon and how they were looking for saboteurs.

And so from 4 kilometers (closer somehow pale to the protected object), without shooting, immediately to defeat. And the warehouse, apparently from above, was just covered with a tarpaulin, or wassat concrete-piercing mines

Can you comment?

I repeat. 60 mm mines with GPS guidance and concrete-piercing characteristics?

[4ekist]

Adrey ... I repeat. 60 mm mines with GPS guidance and concrete-piercing characteristics?

I have no information about what concrete structures were beaten there, I see in the photo how aircraft equipment ricocheted with shrapnel.

[Adrey]

Quote: 4ekist

I have no information about what concrete structures were beaten there, I see in the photo how aircraft equipment ricocheted with shrapnel.

ricochet, this is when it bounces. riddled technology is somehow not visible, more and more burnt. And so, yes. Apparently, shrapnel from 76mm cannons from the WWI era knocked out windows and doors at a distance of several kilometers from the airfield.

And so from 4 kilometers (closer somehow pale to the protected object), without shooting, immediately to defeat. wassat

Can you comment?

[4ekist]

Adrey: riddled technology is somehow not visible, more and more burned out ..... Can you comment?

No, I will not comment, I was not there. You know better, you've been there yourself.

[Adrey]

Quote: 4ekist

No, I will not comment, I was not there. You know better, you've been there yourself.

No, I was not. But that doesn't stop me from thinking logically. You cannot imagine even a slightly "realistic" picture, as it was done according to your scenario.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Deep reconnaissance for this uses mortars, usually so that they don’t spot where

Yes, yes ... In broad daylight in a densely populated and even resort area. Apparently silent Polish ones as much as 60 mm, or 120, but with a silencer that was dragged on a hump along with mines . And so from 4 kilometers (closer somehow pale to the protected object), without shooting, immediately to defeat. And the warehouse, apparently from above, was just covered with a tarpaulin, or concrete-piercing mines

Stop spouting nonsense.
Novofedorovka close to the airfield. There, the far border of Novofedorovka is no more than a kilometer from the places of destruction of aircraft
He carries nonsense about 4 kilometers of the protected zone.
Look at the map, you liar. A total liar and liar.
Without sighting?
And from such a distance, shooting is needed, of course, but one mine is enough. For not ordinary peers worked.
And they probably trained somewhere according to the layout in the fields with all the dimensions and dimensions of the base.
It's very easy actually.
It's just that not everyone has an understanding of how it's done.
You don't have it at all.
The use of silent mortars, with imitation of the work of very loud construction equipment on the site, completely masks the use of even an ordinary mortar, not to mention a special one.
And the time was chosen with covering the first open positions. Which says about long-term object monitoring and logging.
This is a well-prepared GUR operation.

[Adrey]

Quote: SovAr238A

Novofedorovka close to the airfield. There, the far border of Novofedorovka is no more than a kilometer from the places of destruction of aircraft

That is, they shot directly from the residential area?

Quote: SovAr238A

The use of silent mortars, with imitation of the work of very loud construction equipment on the site, completely masks the use of even an ordinary mortar, not to mention a special one.

Silent in caliber 60 mm.

Modern 60mm mortar rounds weigh about 1.6 kilograms each and have a range of 2,000-3,500 meters.

. The charge is small. The range of fire is close to the limit.

Quote: SovAr238A

completely masks the use of even an ordinary mortar, not to mention a special one.

Yes, it's possible. But you can’t hide an 82mm, and even more so a 120mm mortar in the trunk. and even more so the ammunition for it.

Quote: SovAr238A

And the time was chosen with covering the first open positions.

I can't say anything here. Explain what you mean by "open positions"?

Quote: SovAr238A

Look at the map, you liar. A total liar and liar.

Of course, the network will endure everything, you are our bearer of truth in the final instance

[your1970]

Quote: SovAr238A

And the time was matched with cover first open positions. Which says about long-term object monitoring and logging.
This is a well-prepared GUR operation.

Trouble is what everyone is talking about first solitary strong (the earth shuddered, glass flew out) explosion, and only then about others.
So your version is out.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: SovAr238A

Novofedorovka close to the airfield. There, the far border of Novofedorovka is no more than a kilometer from the places of destruction of aircraft

The long way of the story is the short way of the show. ©

The eternal scourge of our airfields: the private sector close to the runway and parking lots.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Deep reconnaissance for this uses mortars, usually so that they don’t spot where

I am also sure that these are the actions of the GUR group, that everything necessary for the attack was brought in between November 21 and February 22.
And the saboteurs came later.
And they were accompanied there.
A typical spetsnaz operation.

[Saboteur_Navy]

It's good that you understand the essence, it was difficult for me to talk with a user with the nickname Andrey, he does not understand anything, he has a complete mess in his head, he is sure that deep intelligence does not engage in sabotage, he does not understand anything, and there are many of them

[Architect]

However, after some time, American satellite images appeared on the network, as it was claimed, with the consequences of the explosions in Novofedorovka imprinted on them. The pictures showed

They would have provided better pictures with the Malaysian Boeing.
And then when they need to they are silent, and when they don’t need a whole photo session with this airfield they arranged.

[ruha]

That looks like their job. It was not for nothing that f16 circled there and most likely the new missiles were tested for detection. Ours were not found, let alone shot down.

[Sergey3]

On the video from the beach, no arrivals were visible, although everything looked like shelling. I wonder if anyone checked those who filmed, it was too "lucky" to film the very beginning.

[mitroha]

Quote: Sergey3

On the video from the beach, no arrivals were visible, although everything looked like shelling. I wonder if anyone checked those who filmed, it was too "lucky" to film the very beginning.

In the modern world, almost everyone, and especially those who came to rest, have a habit of filming EVERYTHING.
Here a neighbor showed me a photo / video of her child, how they learn to walk. Yes, I'll tell you ..... Every person in the future, thanks to their mothers, has per second photo video confirmation of their existence

[Smart ass_]

The US is a direct party to the conflict. Repeating their propaganda is such an occupation))

[Knizhnik]

When will this ₽of dej end? Could, could not, the Americans, or the Ukrainians, or the Alpha Centauri, or the Hai could also like, or even self-righteous. Well, don't be serious

[isv000]

Pentagon official: Explosions at Novofedorovka airfield in Crimea were caused by Ukrainian shelling

Painfully you have a high opinion of yourself!

[smaug78]

Judgment by pictures - no negligence, unfortunately (((

[Eug]

It's hard to pinpoint the cause from the published pictures, but it looks like there were at least three explosions.

[TEX-50]

Four explosions.

[Griffith]

And the pictures are not pi.dezh? Provided by a company cooperating with the Pentagon. Are the pictures fake? Is there an expertise? Indeed, suckers are a dime a dozen. I don’t believe the Pentagon, but I do believe in incomprehensible pictures provided by a company affiliated with the Pentagon. Pi.dets idiocy.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Griffit

And the pictures are not pi.dezh? Provided by a company cooperating with the Pentagon. Are the pictures fake?

In this case, the Russian Defense Ministry, represented by Konashenkov, should openly declare that the Pentagon pictures are fake and do not correspond to reality ... and silence is a sign of consent, as you know.

[Griffith]

Why are you so special that MO owes you? We and one tenth do not know what is happening in the NWO zone. And one hundredth of what is happening around the NWO.

[IvanSviridov]

"We do not know what is happening in the NWO zone" Everything is fine there. Things are going like never before. Not a single unfortunate surprise, except for a trifle .......

[Denistutswoy]

Well, let our mo take it and crush it with facts. He will report from the scene of the incident and show the whole world that the pictures are fake. While it is silent and tries to quickly forget about this unpleasant moment. And for people like you, all that remains is to yell "you're all lying."

[Vadim237]

And the pictures are not pi.dezh? Unfortunately not, as the pictures were taken from several satellites.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Griffit

Why are you so special that MO owes you?

And the fact that I am a citizen of Russia ... and I feel sorry for the state when the officials of my country are telling me lies.
It’s not clear to you young man ... lying and deceiving your people is not good even for the sake of good intentions ... there will be no faith in such people.

[your1970]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It’s not clear to you young man ... lying and deceiving your people is not good even for the sake of good intentions ... there will be no faith in such people.

There was such a Levitan ..
In the first six months of the Second World War, he shamelessly lied to his people ...
Minsk has already fallen - and he had all the battles in the border areas.
Yes, of course, he was a talking head - the General Staff gave him such garbage in the Sovinformburo reports. But they lied to the people, they lied shamelessly ...
Even if it's for good intentions...
Or was it better to say to the people - "Yes, some mediocre commanders in the spacecraft, pumped 10 tanks and all aircraft by September and 000 prisoners" ???
Would that be better?

[shapkin ushankin]

However, after some time, American satellite images appeared on the network, as it was claimed, with the consequences of the explosions in Novofedorovka imprinted on them.
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There is an information war going on. Everyone saw Bucha, Kramatorsk and all sorts of other lies. Why should I believe p and n do with a m? Photoshop hasn't been canceled yet...

[Yves762]

Quote from shapkin-ushankin

There is an information war going on. Everyone saw Bucha, Kramatorsk and all sorts of other lies. Why should I believe p and n do with a m? Photoshop hasn't been canceled yet...

And "Moscow", and Berdyansk, and Serpentine, and Seversky Donets ... etc.
The same story with the "59 Trump Tomahawks", the Russian Defense Ministry and the data of the Chinese.
It works both ways...
Must.
For adequacy.
For all parties are "interested"

[RED_ICE]

And will the images of the shelling of the colony with prisoners of war be posted on the network?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from shapkin-ushankin

.Why should I believe p and n d o s a m? Photoshop hasn't been canceled yet...

I agree ... you can’t trust anyone in a war. Americans first.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Quote from shapkin-ushankin

.Why should I believe p and n d o s a m? Photoshop hasn't been canceled yet...

I agree ... you can’t trust anyone in a war. Americans first.

There are nuances here.
Americans don't lie directly. For this is easily exposed by our population.
But our jambs, our samples, they emphasize very much. Just for us.
This is a standard tactic in the presentation of material.
Very well working.
You are silent, you are not lying, but any cant, you begin to inflate and emphasize.
And this greatly affects the population.
Especially when our MO lies like a gray gelding, and from there not a word "lie" ...
Just a dotted accent.
This affects the masses a hundred times stronger than just the truth from your MO.

Our MO, and its press center, our information department, are just a kindergarten. Any public relations department, any private company, is 100 orders of magnitude more competent, smarter, cheaper than the set of idiots headed by the main one, Konashenkov.
And the point is not that this and that is needed at such a time, the point is that Konashenkov is a complete mismatch for the position, and his department is just as incompetent people.
They don't know how to manage information.
They are enemies of the Russian Federation, due to their complete ignorance of the subject of work.

[Awaz]

Judging by the pictures, anything is possible. But that's not important. The important thing is that the command of the grouping of troops in the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet have completely discredited themselves. For such failures, it is not necessary to remove from office, but to punish according to the laws of war. And it is necessary to punish severely and publicly. Then there might be some sort of order. And so, a person whose actions, together with his team, led to huge material, reputational, and maybe human victims, stupidly retire and will live quietly on an admiral's pension without denying himself anything. In such cases, it is necessary to expel and confiscate everything that he has suspicious for a minimum wage. And shake up the whole team and those who are messed up in something, into the trenches near Avdeevka ..

[Aurora]

These "patriots for Arestovich" are always funny, telling us the American news confirming the "Ukrainian bombing" of the Saki base, obviously, in order not to create problems for us, they avoid, as always, linking to the original article, in which the assertion seems to come from; if we find it's not true that the Pentagon said it.
Patriots on the verge of sabotage and betrayal for propaganda with the enemy?

[Osipov9391]

Understand at the end, now is not that far away time. Not 1944, not 1965 and not 1987 that you can hide something with modern satellites of Western countries, their intelligence network, and even more so the Internet that got to every phone in every back corner.
It is, of course, a shame that we have such overflights, that such expensive and scarce aircraft are head to head without any protective structures literally a hundred or two kilometers from the front line.
This is what should be punished harshly.
And then just some kind of Russian-Japanese war turns out ....

[serezhasoldatow]

To be honest, I don't recognize the airport. Maybe something changed during the occupation of Crimea by the Hohland.
The usual gouging in naval aviation, relaxed in the South.

[Osipov9391]

What can be said? Although what is there to say, everything has already been said and explained.
It is important to understand to try:
What were they shooting?
Where were they shooting from?
And most importantly: how could they put the air defense to sleep.
What are the conclusions.
Let the United States really not be cunning and have not yet given Ukraine ATACMS missiles capable of carrying out such an attack. Let it be.
But on the other hand, Great Britain recently announced the transfer of MLRS systems to Ukraine. Here.
And the British most likely operated such missiles as ATACMS and had systems for these that were fused to Ukraine. And the version suggests itself that their delivery was carried out a couple of weeks earlier before it was announced.
This means that Ukraine most likely has such weapons.
And they most likely used it from Ochakov or from somewhere near Nikolaev.
To Novofedorovka in a straight line, the distance is just less than 300 km.
All converges.

And most importantly: how and with what did they put the air defense covering the airfield to sleep?
Most likely, evil fate gave a small distance from the starting point to the point of impact of the rockets and their huge speed, which can be more than Mach 3.
This means that the air defense had literally a few minutes (one and a half to two) to detect and destroy these missiles.
How they are discovered and affected is unknown.
There is no such experience.
That's probably what they missed.
And the fact that no one saw anything in the sky, most likely would not have seen it before it hit.
This is not "Point-U" and not "Caliber", which are somehow noticeable.

[Castro Ruiz]

100% agree with you. It must have been like that.
Little Britain sucks.

[Chronos]

Quote: Osipov9391

What can be said? Although what is there to say, everything has already been said and explained.
It is important to understand to try:
What were they shooting?
Where were they shooting from?
And most importantly: how could they put the air defense to sleep.
What are the conclusions.
Let the United States really not be cunning and have not yet given Ukraine ATACMS missiles capable of carrying out such an attack. Let it be.
But on the other hand, Great Britain recently announced the transfer of MLRS systems to Ukraine. Here.
And the British most likely operated such missiles as ATACMS and had systems for these that were fused to Ukraine. And the version suggests itself that their delivery was carried out a couple of weeks earlier before it was announced.
This means that Ukraine most likely has such weapons.
And they most likely used it from Ochakov or from somewhere near Nikolaev.
To Novofedorovka in a straight line, the distance is just less than 300 km.
All converges.

And most importantly: how and with what did they put the air defense covering the airfield to sleep?
Most likely, evil fate gave a small distance from the starting point to the point of impact of the rockets and their huge speed, which can be more than Mach 3.
This means that the air defense had literally a few minutes (one and a half to two) to detect and destroy these missiles.
How they are discovered and affected is unknown.
There is no such experience.
That's probably what they missed.
And the fact that no one saw anything in the sky, most likely would not have seen it before it hit.
This is not "Point-U" and not "Caliber", which are somehow noticeable.

The work of air defense is not fixed. They could miss, but to miss it at all is extremely doubtful. The simultaneous nature of the two explosions also does not favor a missile strike - did two missiles hit targets at the same time? And who should already have data from the inspection of the scene - is there ATAMCS debris or not.

[tsvetahaki]

...a huge speed that can be more than Mach 3.

Even with slightly > 1M near the ground and not very near the ground, you can’t hide the roar of the shock wave ...

[Cb master]

Where is the link to the original source? I suppose the word "attacked" was used there, if at all the original source was

[iouris]

Tsushima. Port Arthur. And what after? It should be re-read.

[Rare1809ivanov]

Well, the military airfield should probably be guarded by air defense systems, so it was unlikely that they were missiles. Especially in the Crimea. There are also S-400s. But sabotage is possible

[Peter1First]

What do we have? Several powerful explosions, the detonation of ammunition, that even cars in the parking lot were destroyed, the defeat of several units of aircraft, and those that look intact in the photo could also be damaged. We won’t even talk about human losses ... These are facts recorded by the enemy. And then -solid questions, how could this be allowed to happen? Drone with a grenade from the sea? -Quite! Light small-caliber mortar or AGS? -Quite! Shelling from 12,7 with an incendiary silencer, as was already the case in Syria? -Quite! But the most important condition for this disgrace is the obvious sloppiness at the airfield. In the conditions of close hostilities, to allow such open and massive storage of ammunition and aviation taken together that everything and everyone was covered at once !!! It seems to me that some of the leadership there should be court martialed, otherwise they will disgrace us again and again!

[hangar200]

Sloppiness is a collective farm concept. The cattle were not fed on time - this is sloppiness.
In fact. Middle-level commanders, especially advanced ones, command what they were entrusted with or entrusted with. They carry out day-to-day service and affairs within the limits of trusted means, resources and personnel. And they are guided in their service by the Charters and commands of the higher command staff. The construction of protective caponiers is not their task.
What happened in any way can be attributed to the human factor. And this still applies more to special services, counterintelligence in particular. It is in the Crimea that the personnel should be "shone with x-rays", especially the service staff.
By chance, only a pimple can jump up .....

[Beloemigrant]

u kaczestwennego kontrazwedczika bditelnost i podozritelnost neotmenne sostawlajuszcze mentaliteta polezno kontrazwedczikow z taktikoj DRG znakomit toze z problemoj nelegalow diwersantow ne samymi szpionami kontrazwedczik pitaetsa

[nation]

If in the year 5 the tsar had shot the stessel, then there would not have been a roar - perhaps. But he didn't shoot. And now no one will be shot.

[Esaul]

1. Change the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet. Performed
2. Increase the security of military installations. To be completed
3. Destroy all decision-making centers in Ukraine. To be completed
4. Destroy all trains with equipment on the border with Ukraine. To be completed
5. Disable all NATO spy satellites flying over Ukraine. To be completed

[cmax]

Quote: Esaul

1. Change the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet. Performed
2. Increase the security of military installations. To be completed
3. Destroy all decision-making centers in Ukraine. To be completed
4. Destroy all trains with equipment on the border with Ukraine. To be completed
5. Disable all NATO spy satellites flying over Ukraine. To be completed

You correct the numbering. It needs to be from the bottom up. Then only the sense will be.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Esaul

1. Change the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet. Performed
2. Increase the security of military installations. To be completed
3. Destroy all decision-making centers in Ukraine. To be completed
4. Destroy all trains with equipment on the border with Ukraine. To be completed
5. Disable all NATO spy satellites flying over Ukraine. To be completed

5. Stop being a dreamer.
6. Learn to think with your head.

[cmax]

Quote: SovAr238A

5. Stop being a dreamer.
6. Learn to think with your head.

You don't have to be so hard on yourself!

[Esaul]

7. And sign up for America's sixes?

[nation]

As in the 41st year

[Al manah]

The Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on this publication (satellite images).

Amazing right?

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

The development of events, the nature of the explosions indicate that the explosions and fire at the airport in Novofedorovka are not the result of ignition by negligence. Then there would be a gradual increase in the strength of explosions and fire. And in this case, the strongest explosions and fire occurred in a very short time. In Novofedorovka, as in any Russian military airfield, there is an air defense system. The Russian authorities and the media deny the fact of a military strike from the outside on the airfield in Novofedorovka. It is also very difficult for saboteurs to get to the airfield from the outside. By excluding various possible options, one conclusion suggests itself, this is sabotage with the participation of technical personnel servicing the airfield. Most recently, the hijacking of the SU-34 was prevented. Bandera agents ran into the wrong guy. The FSB has already stepped in after the officer's report. And with the fire at the airport in Novofedorovka, it seems that Bandera's agents managed to bribe not one, but even a group of traitors. This is indicated by the power and area of ​​explosions and fire of the catastrophe. And the campaigners from the Pentagon, with their statements, fill in the fog in order to confuse the investigation and save Bandera agents for the next sabotage.

[Beloemigrant]

a kakij predatel- wreditel osobistow iz sztatow wyczerknol pohoze naefektiwnogo menagera
Serdjukowa z neterpenem zdu suda nad winownikami takoj "ekonomii" ne hoczu matom krit a jazyk czesetsa

[vovochkarzhevsky]

There's something wrong with these satellite images.
Firstly, no matter how much I searched, I did not find a high-resolution photo.
Secondly, taxiing and parking there are covered with standard airfield plates. Pay attention to what happens when you hit such objects.

Thirdly, look at the building in the upper left corner. I find it difficult to say whether it is entirely made of metal, or only the roof, but the fragments after the alleged defeat clearly do not match.

[Apprentice_SAM]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Thirdly, look at the building in the upper left corner. I find it difficult to say whether it is entirely made of metal, or only the roof, but the fragments after the alleged defeat clearly do not match.

Hello!
Presumably, this hangar was a BP warehouse.
Judging by the fact that the first explosion was the most powerful, then it all started with it.
The power of the explosion can be judged by the damaged cars in the parking lot, have you seen the video with the "skewer"? This "skewer", most likely, is either part of the fence, or part of the warehouse structure.
Purely technically, it is possible to establish the place of the first explosion, and the second one too. Linking two or more explosion video locations to a map or satellite imagery. The shooting point is the direction to the explosion cloud. The place of intersection of the rays is the alleged epicenter.
There are many technically literate people and specialists on the forum, but no one bothered. Some of the controversy would disappear.

[Beloemigrant]

soglasen no ne tolko technika nuzna opytne kontrazwedcziki toze ponadobitsa mne eto wygladit nakaczeswennu diwersju wyze urownja ukrow na takuju rabotu sposobny specnazy USA GB i Izraela inszych mozozno iskluczit nesowmenno bar breda arestowiczej ons ws plostom sz no rozsmatrywat ne stoit odhodow koszki

[vovochkarzhevsky]

You're two right now. This building can be anything, a warehouse for auxiliary equipment, the same PTB, consumables, technical equipment for small-scale mechanization, etc., but not a power supply warehouse.

[TatarinSSSR]

Someone is lying. Either pictures from space are fake, or the Russian Defense Ministry and Tsarev are lying. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not provide data from the airfield, they say everything is secret, which means it is up to us to decide who to believe. And for my part, this is clearly not in favor of MO. Too many lies in these 6 months.
And also, I am sincerely happy that the stupid commander of the Black Sea Fleet, who has no conscience or honor, was removed. His place was taken by a real TF officer. This makes me happy.

[fruit_cake]

Have you seen the video of the explosions? It's clear that everything was serious.

[TatarinSSSR]

Yes, there is nowhere more serious. I’ll tell you as a person who has traveled a lot around Russia - most of the military operating airfields here look like this - a dilapidated fence made of half-torn barbed wire, the absence of any sane guards and patrols around the perimeter, aircraft standing openly under the sun in a bunch of rows, not dispersed, tankers next to the equipment that is "on duty". In the city, it's generally nonsense - the perimeter is often the garages and auto repair shops of the civilian.

[DominickS]

Quote: Gritsa

So I do not rule out that all the talk about slovenliness at the airfield (as well as about the death of the Moscow), about fires in the steppe, is a great opportunity to justify oneself.

Cool, of course, excuses. It’s somehow strange with us: if it suddenly turns out that the cause of an emergency is not an attack, not a sabotage, but a “banal” ra***, then everyone immediately breathes a sigh of relief and says, they say, “well, this is normal for us” . It's not fucking normal, guys - it's even worse. People died, equipment worth hundreds of millions was destroyed, which we pay with our taxes. And that's in the current situation.
Words are no longer censored.

[sleeve]

What did they hit? Witchcraft? I understand that here on the site people with understanding. But after all, this nonsense is being promoted all over the Internet. I understand the behavior of MO. Now we need to turn on the fool in the interests of the counter-sabotage operation. But, fir-trees-winders, the level of "expertise \ 2 knocks you off your feet like a fume from a fuselage!

[fruit_cake]

Yes, some quadrocopter with explosives flew into the open ammunition.

[sleeve]

Exactly. So also the question of the "mole" is being pumped. Like "all by itself" and wait for someone to run. And where did he run?

[Mixweb]

Here even their vaunted hymers are not required. A grenade in a glass and a light quadric, and, with a certain amount of luck and gouging of the military, the warehouse can be demolished.

[Imperial Technocrat]

Yes, the Pentagon "confirms" any nonsense of Tsipso in order to support the informational stuffing of the ukrov. Only Soviet suckers believe in Pentagon nonsense

[Beloemigrant]

po mojemu deza eto delo SBS or Navy Seals or diwersantow nelegalow wywod protiwdiwersjonna i kontrazwedidelna ochrana halatna winownych nada najti i nakazat

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: angara200

Charters

aw ustawach o ochrane, protiwdiwersjonnej zaszczite i maskirowke aeodroma powaszemu zabyli eto ne rozgildajstwo eto prestupna halatnost z etoj stati w 1941 Pawlowa k rasstrelu prigoworili

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Osipov9391

The Russo-Japanese War turns out ....
Reply nado razobratsa kto Kuropatkin 2 , a kto stessel 2.0

kolektiwnyj medinskij Witte 2.0

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: bayard

but they didn't make it to themselves.
If the Sumerians have

deneg i resursow ne hwatilo sliszkom mnogo na komsumpcju dali naselenju beton na zilje or na ukrytja dla matczasti na wse ne hwatit

[Zaurbek]

And what did they shoot?