The American media has named its version of the five best examples of small arms from the Second World War

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The American media has named its version of the five best examples of small arms from the Second World War

Millions of units of the most diverse firearms weapons were produced during World War II. However, only a few models have become true masterpieces.

The American portal 19FortyFive, which specializes in military matters, has compiled a list of the five best, according to its representatives, types of small arms that were used during the Second World War. The lists also included the development of domestic designers.



Mosin rifle



The Mosin rifle was declared the best bolt-action rifle. This type of small arms entered service with the army of the Russian Empire in 1891, and until the end of the 1950s, it was mass-produced. In total, up to 37 million units were produced.

In the USSR, the rifle was modernized to the standards of the time. By the beginning of the Second World War, it became the standard weapon of the Soviet soldier. Despite the fact that the war already required a transition to automatic weapons, the Mosin rifle was the main small arms of the Soviet army throughout the Great Patriotic War. During the war years, more than 17 million of these rifles were produced.

Mosinka has earned its popularity due to its ease of handling and care. It functioned even after being hit by dirt, fired in all weather conditions. The rifle had an effective range of almost two kilometers and fired 7,62x54 cartridges, which had a high lethal force.

Rifle M1 Garand


Among the semi-automatic rifles, the American M1 Garand rifle is recognized as the best.

The M1 Garand was developed in the USA in 1931. However, its original version was not entirely successful. In 1940, the rifle was significantly improved and put into mass production. The M1 Garand became the main weapon of the American infantry during World War II and the Korean Peninsula War.

The rifle had a maximum range of 1800 meters and fired 7,62 caliber rounds. Unlike other similar types of weapons, the M1 Garand had an eight-round magazine, which made it possible to fire more shots than the enemy could afford.
Around 5,4 million units of the M1 Garand were produced during its lifetime.

PPSH-41



The Shpagin submachine gun (PPSh) of the 1941 version was called the best of its kind. This type of small arms became a miracle of Soviet gunsmiths.

The development of the PPSh-41 had not yet been completed when the Great Patriotic War began. However, with the outbreak of war, it was possible to quickly establish its mass production. During the war years, up to 6 million units were produced. PPSh-41 became the most massive submachine gun used during the Second World War.

This type of small arms could be immediately recognized thanks to the drum magazine, which contained 71 rounds.

In addition, the PPSh had very high rates of fire for those times - 900 rounds per minute. The reliability of this weapon led to the fact that German soldiers often used it.

Rifle StG44



The world's first German-made assault rifle Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44) (and in fact, an assault rifle) marked the beginning of a revolution in this type of weapon.

The StG44 was developed at the very height of the war and became the first assault rifle to be mass-produced (about 450 units).

The StG44 had a maximum range of 600 meters. It used 7,92x33 cartridges. This machine could fire 600 rounds per minute. The StG44 store held 30 rounds.

Machine gun M2



The best large-caliber machine gun of the Second World War was recognized by the American publication as the machine gun of the John Browning system - M2 caliber 50.

This easel machine gun was a real breakthrough during the war years. It was installed on Tanks, aircraft, ships and other military equipment. The M2 was also widely used after World War II in conflicts in Korea, Vietnam and the Persian Gulf. In total, up to three million M2s were produced. This machine gun is still used by the US Army today.
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  1. +30
    13 August 2022 14: 01
    A strange selection ... The Mauser is certainly better than the mosquito, its shutter is still considered a classic. Just like PPS is better than PPSh. As for the krupnyak, I think that the DShK may well argue with the M2. Garand is also a rather controversial rifle. There were enough shortcomings. The only good thing about StG44 is that it is really the first sample of a new type of rifleman ..
    1. +40
      13 August 2022 14: 08
      Machine gun MG-42 "Hitler's Saw"....
      1. +3
        13 August 2022 14: 58
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Machine gun MG-42 "Hitler's Saw"....

        well, yes, this molotilovo is respected by search engines and event reenactors
        1. +4
          13 August 2022 15: 10
          A strange selection ... PPS is better than PPSh

          That's what the Americans did.
          For them, the more the better. And the PPSh has a higher rate of fire, and the store is more capacious.
          1. +3
            13 August 2022 15: 25
            Quote: Shurik70
            A strange selection ... PPS is better than PPSh

            That's what the Americans did.
            For them, the more the better. And the PPSh has a higher rate of fire, and the store is more capacious.

            I think they took what they heard. If they climbed into the wilds of the best, readers might not understand them. Some unknown weapon. And here everything is just like an ax, everyone knows, everyone has heard and the pictures look beautiful
          2. Zug
            +1
            14 August 2022 07: 35
            The rate of fire of the PPSh is a drawback and not an advantage at all.
            1. +2
              14 August 2022 08: 47
              Quote: Zug
              The rate of fire of the PPSh is a drawback and not an advantage at all.

              For PPS, the rate of fire and magazine capacity were deliberately lowered.
              Too high a rate of fire consumes ammo too quickly, and a too massive magazine increased the weight of the weapon and reduced the reaction speed.
              But when were the American "experts" guided by logic?
          3. +2
            14 August 2022 10: 12
            And intelligence also preferred PPS to weight, and even carob magazines began to be produced on PPSh, it is inconvenient to drag with a disk.
            1. -1
              14 August 2022 13: 54
              And intelligence also preferred PPS to weight, and even carob magazines began to be produced on PPSh, it is inconvenient to drag with a disk.

              Would you explain to these fighters from Berlin on the 45th with the signs "Excellent Scout" that teaching staff and carob shops are better.
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 14: 01
                I can send you pictures from the liberated Sevastopol, where you will see the PPSh, do you believe in a word? And here above the person unsubscribed that he shot from the PPSh but from the carob, we have a horn thompson in the Tavrida Museum, probably by chance?
                1. 0
                  14 August 2022 14: 20
                  You would pay attention to the medals "For Courage" on the stocks. And the photo from Sevastopol, after the liberation, is not an indicator, the combat units went on to beat the enemy. And these are the guys from a separate reconnaissance company, they went through the whole war, they knew a lot about weapons and could choose
                  1. +1
                    14 August 2022 14: 49
                    Do you call these backers? Google it in Yandex, yes, there are PPSh there, but a lot of PPS, pictures are not copied. The thought is just like that, when you crawl that the disk clings did not come? I’m already silent that a disk from one PCA might not fit another, have you heard about this either? And in this regard, there were also a lot of mats for tar, because the removable magazine was often deformed at the same PPSh or PPD, I’m already silent about the quality. The same pre-war PPD, the fighters could not get enough of them, but when teenagers and women began to collect them, honor and praise to them, the quality fell.
                    1. +1
                      14 August 2022 14: 56
                      I am silent that a disk from one PCA might not fit another, have you heard about this either?

                      You do not know the history of PPSh well and repeat myths. Disk issue was quickly resolved.

                      Another problem with the PPSh-41 was the violation of standardization. In April 1942, the evacuated Vyatsko-Polyansky plant started operating, from one workshop of which PPSh came out, and from another drum stores - there were no problems with standardization at this enterprise, stores got into all automatic machines without problems, Shpagin personally controlled all this.
                      At the rest of the factories, where the trunks came from Izhevsk, and the stores from the Vyatka-Polyansky plant, there were serious problems with the compatibility of the stores. Stores arrived at factories and were customized for specific PPSh, as a result, 2-3 stores were adjusted with a file for each PPSh produced not in Vyatka glades. This situation lasted until August 1942, when the Vyatskiye Polyany, along with the stores, began to supply their attachment points to the PPSh.
                      The problem disappeared, but the legend remained.

                      And the real combat units used disks, since the disk was enough for fleeting battles during the assault and battles in trenches when there was no time for reloading. And the gunners loved the carob magazines, since it is more convenient to maintain a cannon with a PPSh behind their backs. My father used a PPSh with a disk in the Seisin landing.
                      1. +1
                        14 August 2022 15: 05
                        Wait, you were talking about reconnaissance. I must say right away that I am not in the mood to tell you that you don’t know a damn thing, but I’m special, so that there is an understanding. The task of a scout is reconnaissance, isn't it? He opened fire, he found himself.
                        Anything happened when, for example, 11 scouts stormed the Prussian castle, but then it’s crawling. I have questions here, tell me, I will be grateful.
                      2. 0
                        14 August 2022 15: 23
                        I wrote ... from a separate reconnaissance company. I will add This is not army intelligence. Pro...special
                        These "wolves" broke into trenches and took tongues, and did not make deep raids to the rear, and even they tried to take PPSh with a disk, although there were raids such as those described in the award.
                        This is a premium for my cousin uncle, he died on April 20 near Berlin. In the company they had three full gentlemen of Glory.
                      3. +1
                        14 August 2022 15: 38
                        Let's step aside, who drives a mechanic, praises the mechanics, who drives an automatic, automatic. Here are the ones who got in. I understand, there is a big store, as the Germans called it, a trench broom. I held the PPSh, but of course I can imagine how to crawl with it, but it was not for nothing that the horn went to him.
                        And do not push it on the tankers.
                      4. -2
                        14 August 2022 15: 44
                        Well, yes, aside, they didn’t provide a single fact other than your stubbornness and swagger, that you are an intelligence specialist ...
                      5. -1
                        14 August 2022 15: 54
                        You do not like that they do not agree with you? Drink valerian.
        2. 0
          13 August 2022 15: 13
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Machine gun MG-42 "Hitler's Saw"....

          well, yes, this molotilovo is respected by search engines and event reenactors

          Not only them..
          I have a dream to shoot from "Korda" and MG42.
          But where do you get them...
          There are only civilian versions in the dash. And even then, you need to fly abroad. In England, in general, "Armoracia rusticana" to get to the firearm.
          1. +3
            13 August 2022 16: 23
            Sign a contract.
            1. +3
              13 August 2022 22: 53
              What are you signing a person for - MG42 only the Armed Forces of Ukraine have laughing
      2. +4
        13 August 2022 15: 28
        Until now, this saw is quite successfully fighting. Both in Syria and in Ukraine.
    2. +12
      13 August 2022 14: 10
      Quote: paul3390
      Weird selection...

      I'm an artist, that's how I see it...
      What source - such and rating
    3. +53
      13 August 2022 14: 13
      So for laughs:
      comparison of the Mosin rifle (three-ruler), AK-47 and M-16⁠⁠
      M16 - The butt melts under the magnifying glass.
      AK-47 - Under the magnifying glass, you can see Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease.
      Mosin Rifle - Under the magnifying glass you can see the blood-soaked tree.

      M16 - Wedges when dirty.
      AK-47 - Works when dirty.
      Mosin Rifle - There wasn’t a clear moment of entering the troops in 1892.

      M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws.
      AK-47 - A couple dozen moving parts held together by a handful of rivets.
      Mosin rifle - three moving parts, two screws.

      M16 - You are more likely to die than you will break this expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat.
      AK-47 - Your submachine gun can beat off well in hand-to-hand combat.
      Mosin Rifle - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot.

      M16 - If a striker breaks, you will return the rifle to the factory under warranty.
      AK-47- If a striker breaks, you buy a new one.
      Mosin Rifle - If a striker breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the bolt.

      M16 - More difficult to manufacture than some aircraft.
      AK-47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes.
      Mosin Rifle - Aircraft were shot down from it.

      M16 - The owner's favorite drink is whiskey.
      AK-47 - The owner’s favorite drink is vodka.
      Mosin Rifle - Owner's favorite drink is brake fluid discharged over a frozen crowbar.

      M16 - Makes a small hole, neatly in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
      AK-47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention.
      Mosin Rifle - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention.

      M16 - Perfectly shoots small rodents.
      AK-47 - Perfectly shoots enemies of the motherland.
      Mosin Rifle - Perfectly shoots light armored vehicles.

      M16 - Once in a river, it stops working.
      AK-47 - Once in the river, it shoots anyway.
      Mosin Rifle - Once in a river, it is usually used as a paddle.

      M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters.
      AK-47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand.
      Mosin Rifle - Which Grenade? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick.

      M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of noise.
      AK-47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire.
      Mosin Rifle - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot will everyone go deaf?

      M16 - Weapons of defense.
      AK-47 - Weapons of attack.
      Mosin Rifle - Weapon of Victory !!!
      1. +9
        13 August 2022 15: 30
        I still remember the number of my AKM. OA4037. Do not care for him were both mud and frost.
      2. +5
        13 August 2022 18: 21
        It is a masterpiece !!! ))))))))
        1. -1
          14 August 2022 13: 56
          This is an ancient accordion
      3. +4
        13 August 2022 21: 07
        Pug consumer goods of course.
        But in the conditions of poorly trained recruits, she coped with her tasks.
        Tolerances in the shutter had a great advantage in trench warfare and in winter, like the TT and Kalash.
        The Mauser and Mannlicher are more finely crafted and undeniably reliable with constant care.
        Thomson is still interesting, like Papa.
    4. Eug
      +10
      13 August 2022 14: 22
      I completely agree! According to the "participants" - the Mauser (carbine) will be better than the Mosinki (the fuse and the bolt handle are already in these positions, in terms of accuracy and reliability it is clearly no worse), the PPS is better than the PPSh, the SVT is better than the M1 Garanda, the DShK is more powerful than the M2 and is no less common and universal . And only with Stg-44 can we agree - in this niche it simply has no rivals ...
    5. AUL
      +7
      13 August 2022 14: 23
      Yes, and Lee-Enfield missed in vain. And MG-34...
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 15: 38
        Heavy "34" then ...
    6. +8
      13 August 2022 14: 24
      Quote: paul3390
      Mauser is certainly better than a mosquito,

      In some ways it is better, but it is more expensive and capricious. The tiger is better than the T-34 one on one,
      but production and logistics could put it 1 against 20.
      1. +3
        13 August 2022 14: 50
        you need to compare "classmates". And these are different cars in class, heavy and medium. how to compare GAZ and KAMAZ, like both trucks.
        1. -1
          14 August 2022 10: 16
          Depending on what T-34, the caliber of the guns in 85 and 88 mm do not differ much. T-34 and royal tigers struck.
          1. +1
            14 August 2022 16: 30
            and compare the frontal armor? 45 mm and 100 mm. How to be with this.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 17: 53
              There are a lot of things that can be compared with optics, and the speed of the turret and maintainability, but in fact the T-34 left only one UVZ plant once an hour.
              1. +2
                14 August 2022 18: 58
                Yes, at least 10 per hour. Tanks of a different class. If you compare it with the T-4. There were a lot of modifications. Here is a classmate.
    7. +5
      13 August 2022 14: 25
      And where is 42 mg ???
      1. +5
        13 August 2022 15: 01
        in the trenches, he has no time lol
        1. -1
          14 August 2022 13: 59
          MG-42 is still in service, in Germany under the designation MG3
    8. +5
      13 August 2022 14: 56
      Quote: paul3390
      The only good thing about StG44 is that it is really the first sample of a new type of rifleman ..

      not the first, the first Fedorovsky
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 15: 34
        Quote: poquello
        the first Fedorovsky

        During the WWI period, no one took up manual automatic weapons. The French experimented the most.
        1. +2
          13 August 2022 15: 44
          Quote: Negro
          Quote: poquello
          the first Fedorovsky

          During the WWI period, no one took up manual automatic weapons. The French experimented the most.

          what about experimenting here? Fedorov created the first automaton, stg is an automaton
          1. +1
            14 August 2022 10: 17
            Under a rifle cartridge, is it an automatic machine, or a light machine gun?
            1. +3
              14 August 2022 11: 10
              To be fair, Arisaka was pretty close to an intermediate patron.
            2. 0
              14 August 2022 12: 09
              Quote: Alexander Salenko
              Under a rifle cartridge, is it an automatic machine, or a light machine gun?

              for the Japanese of the Nambu times, probably a machine gun))))))))))))),
              stormtrooper 7,92x57 > 7,92x33< 9x19
              Fedorov assault rifle 7,62x53> 6,5x50 <7,62x25
              1. +1
                14 August 2022 13: 48
                That's what we are talking about, how to count, in parrots, or boas, the automatic gun of the Germans of 20-mm caliber is a machine gun. Only heavy.
        2. +1
          14 August 2022 08: 44
          The French are only good at adult films
          1. +2
            14 August 2022 11: 13
            Not aware of French achievements in this area. What about automatic weapons?
    9. -1
      13 August 2022 15: 31
      Quote: paul3390
      Just like PPS is better than PPSh

      PP is a mobilization weapon. In addition to frankly unsuccessful samples, everything is more or less one size fits all (more precisely, the difference is determined by the cartridge), and more attention is paid to production characteristics than to combat ones.
      Quote: paul3390
      Mauser is definitely better than a mosquito

      Perhaps.
      Quote: paul3390
      DShK may well compete with M2

      It cannot, the volume of production during the Second World War is very small.
      Quote: paul3390
      Garand is also a rather controversial rifle

      This SVT is controversial, and Garand normally went through two wars, World War II and Korean.
      1. +3
        13 August 2022 16: 01
        Garand normally went through two wars, World War II and Korean

        He passed them only thanks to the stubborn desire of the American command to see in service a self-loading rifle chambered for a rifle cartridge without fail .. They didn’t even want to hear about the intermediate one.
        1. -1
          13 August 2022 16: 44
          Fair point, but nonetheless. By the way, it refers mainly to Vietnam, and not to Korea, and even more so not to WWII.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 10: 20
            And the PPSh Vietnamese preferred Kalash for example, so with Garand, not an indicator. Our partisans fought with Lewis - is this an indicator or out of poverty? They also fought the Moscow militia, watch the parade on November 7, 1941, and Lebel rifles too, a very specific store.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 11: 07
              Do you want to tell me that all sorts of paramilitaries are fighting with what they have? Yes it is. So what?
              1. +1
                14 August 2022 13: 45
                They preferred, not just what is due to poverty, but preferred, do you catch the difference?
                1. -1
                  14 August 2022 14: 10
                  Quote: Alexander Salenko
                  catch the difference?

                  The difference is purely rhetorical. It seems that in 2022 everyone should know everything about the writings of "war correspondents".
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2022 14: 42
                    And what do they have to do with it, the average height of a Vietnamese was one and a half meters, Kalash is stupidly big for him. The same Arisaka was not with such a powerful cartridge, because the Japanese were also not ambals. A mosquito with a bayonet is bigger than me and believe me, my height is not the smallest.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2022 15: 08
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      Kalash is stupidly big for him

                      )))
                      Wrong.
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      The same Arisaka was not with such a powerful cartridge, because the Japanese were also not ambals.

                      It's just nonsense. At the beginning of the century, the 6-7 mm caliber was quite common, the same lin-Navi. 7,62 began to dominate somewhat later.
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      A mosquito with a bayonet is bigger than me and believe me

                      I say, only a journalist will praise this paddle in the realities of the 40s.
                      1. +1
                        14 August 2022 15: 26
                        Tell me, at the end of the last century, the caliber was 6-linear, and in the middle of the 19th century, it was like a small-caliber gun.
                        It's an oar, but this oar has reliability and a staffing problem. We were also going to transfer troops to the SVT and AVT, but there were problems with technical literacy.
                      2. 0
                        14 August 2022 15: 43
                        Quote: Alexander Salenko
                        Tell me, at the end of the last century, the caliber was 6-linear, and in the middle of the 19th century, it was like a small-caliber gun.

                        OK, I'll soften the expression. The main European armies sat on 7-8 mm calibers, but 6-7 mm calibers were also not exotic. Besides Arisaki 6mm Lee Navy, 6.5x55mm Swedish, 6.5x58mm Vergueiro, 6.5x52mm Carcano.
                        Quote: Alexander Salenko
                        This oar, but this oar has reliability and a problem with personnel

                        The argument "better than nothing" in the dispute about the success of a particular model does not fit.
                      3. 0
                        14 August 2022 15: 52
                        It passes, this is a lower weight of ammunition, which means you can take more of it with you.
                      4. 0
                        14 August 2022 16: 07
                        What's it like?

                        And considerations for portable ammunition in the era of bolt rifles were not particularly taken into account.
                      5. 0
                        14 August 2022 17: 45
                        Accepted. Suvorov, with the phrase that the bullet is a fool, and the bayonet is well done, he forced to carry a hundred rounds with him.
      2. +1
        13 August 2022 18: 41
        Quote: Negro
        PP is a mobilization weapon.

        Wartime - yes. But PPSh-41 is the last PP created to meet the requirements of peacetime. More precisely, this is the same PP that the People's Commissariat of Defense wanted to receive in the early 30s, when it issued requirements for weapons for commanders, crews, crews and troops. And instead of which he initially received a PPD with a horse price and a meager issue.
        1. -1
          13 August 2022 18: 48
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But PPSh-41 is the last software designed to meet the requirements of peacetime

          Details. Thomson was also a peacetime PP, and this is more of a minus than a plus - with its price.

          The best PP of the war was apparently the oil can, but only for those countries that had an American automobile industry. That is exactly one. And so PPSh, PPS, MP-38/40 - the difference is minimal.
          1. +1
            13 August 2022 19: 11
            Quote: Negro
            The best PP of the war was apparently the oil can, but only for those countries that had an American automobile industry.

            20 bucks?

            Shepard and Turpin did the same for 2,5 pounds. smile
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 23: 39
              Quote: Alexey RA
              20 bucks?

              15
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Shepard and Turpin did the same for £2,5

              5 bucks a pound rate. And the English craft from a hole punch and a water pipe was clearly not among the best PP.
    10. +1
      13 August 2022 15: 52
      Quote: paul3390
      Weird selection...

      They forgot the unified German MG machine guns.
      hi
    11. +2
      13 August 2022 16: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      PPS is better than PPSh.

      PPSh-41 disagrees a little, and PPS -43- figures the year of adoption. Each had its own advantages and disadvantages ... Of course, I'm not special, but somehow I had to shoot from PPSh, MP-39/40 and MG-42. from Daddy, shoot at all in a buzz. True, we had horns, not discs, I don’t know how it was in the war, but the zinc cartridges were with dies, similar to the AKS-74. But the "Germans" were loaded "manually". The horns on the MP-39/40 are stuffed with cartridges that crap, although it is quite possible that they also had similarities to our slats. I didn’t equip the tape on the MG, so I didn’t shoot so much from it. And so ... Dad with a horn is generally comfortable, you can shoot with one hand. The German is heavier, but I immediately say I'm not special, and it was in 1987, I was young, stupid, but I had to face ....
    12. +4
      13 August 2022 18: 14
      Quote: paul3390
      The Mauser is certainly better than the mosquito, its bolt is still considered a classic.
      TTX they have the same. The Mosinka is sharpened for "manual" production (there are fewer parts, but they are more complicated), the Mauser is for the conveyor (there are more parts, but they are simpler). So "better" here depends on the state of the industry.
      Quote: paul3390
      DShK may well compete with M2
      Pre-war - can not. Post-war - could according to its characteristics (if the machine is easier to make), but not in terms of mass.
    13. +3
      13 August 2022 18: 35
      Quote: paul3390
      As for the krupnyak, I think that the DShK may well argue with the M2.

      Can not.
      Yes, in terms of performance characteristics, the DShK was good. But what is the use of those performance characteristics if there is no machine gun, since it is produced in homeopathic quantities and costs a little cheaper than a 45-mm anti-tank gun? Alas, but DShK up to M2 production volumes - as before China. Even the domestic aviation UB managed to overtake the DShK by an order of magnitude in terms of the number of products produced.
      Ma Deuce was good precisely because of its mass character - there were so many of them that they were put wherever possible, up to jeeps.
    14. 0
      13 August 2022 23: 12
      Yes, you are a connoisseur) it’s easier to say that the balance for the discount of the mosquito and the Mauser are different, namely the mosquito fills up the mass on the barrel (it’s good from the support), but the Mauser is not - (it’s good AND from the hands)
    15. 0
      14 August 2022 01: 22
      At one time, the Russian Ministry of Defense sold old small arms from warehouses, primarily in the United States. They had a boom with the Mosin carbine, they sold for $ 100 per carbine. PPSh and PPS also took a lot there. Here is the answer about the popularity of Soviet weapons in the US. RPDs were also brought to the USA, but a special license is needed to buy it, all the same, a machine gun, albeit an old one.
      The Mauser is undoubtedly more technologically advanced, but in terms of price, quality, ease of maintenance, the Mosin carbine is unrivaled. At the same time, the Mauser carbine is slightly superior to the Mosin carbine!
  2. +4
    13 August 2022 14: 04
    It is strange that the Russians have not been forgotten. Otherwise, they usually have all the best from the States ...
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 23: 02
      I agree that they usually only mention the American in their reviews. Listen to them so only they won the Second World War. No one remembers that the German concentration camps for prisoners of war since 1944 were filled with blacks, and that in 1944 Churchill tearfully asked Stalin to launch an offensive to save the allies under the Ardennes.
  3. +2
    13 August 2022 14: 04
    And MG 42, PPS 43? After all, these samples are better than the M1 Garand. Weird rating.
  4. -15
    13 August 2022 14: 05
    Weapons, this was all secondary at that time .. Russian fighting spirit, this is our main weapon at all times, attempts to conquer Russia and bring it to its knees! Now another attempt is underway, but again the main Russian weapon wins .. And there is something to shoot and already again they are shouting in the west "Don't shoot Vanya .."
    Weapons are tested in battle, not at exhibitions .. And Russian weapons are out of competition! Cheap, simple, deadly...
    1. +7
      13 August 2022 14: 10
      Oh, you, Mikhan, how violently you celebrated the admiral's hour ... At least now on an armored car and a cap in your hands! laughing
    2. +4
      13 August 2022 14: 12
      gansales hi, the spirit is, of course, important and necessary, only with a bare fifth point on a track machine gun it’s not useful to go, but with a good sniper it’s very possible, if it’s about a rifleman.
      1. -6
        13 August 2022 16: 58
        Quote: Murmur 55
        gansales hi, the spirit is, of course, important and necessary, only with a bare fifth point on a track machine gun it’s not useful to go, but with a good sniper it’s very possible, if it’s about a rifleman.

        Yes, you are right, of course .. I understand everything, but in the current situation in the world, somehow you need to keep to the spiritual level, and then weapons will appear! Our designers were waiting for Russia to be reborn, so they gave out that they kept them in the tables in Khrushchev, although they were starving in the 90s ..
        THANKS TO THEM, from all the Russian people! We now have something to answer in which case .. Here are the problems with the economy, but work is in progress hi
  5. +1
    13 August 2022 14: 11
    One of the sensational photos in Iraq.
    1. +8
      13 August 2022 14: 15
      tralflot1832 hi, yes, there are such pictures of the car, the Yankees for "demobilization albums" even took pictures with rifles from the times of World War 1, but this does not mean that they went into battle with them.
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 14: 17
        I can’t find a photo yet, where the American unit is shooting somewhere, and a good PPSh hangs around the neck, in reserve.
    2. 0
      13 August 2022 15: 54
      Quote: tralflot1832
      One of the sensational photos in Iraq.

      So what? 150 m range, and try to reload the drum during the battle what
      1. +2
        13 August 2022 18: 17
        Quote: fa2998
        reload drum during combat
        The PPSh feature is that there was enough drum for the whole battle. If suddenly it's not enough - you put the second one - that's enough. But if the second was not enough, then - oh. But in general, in battle, stuffing and an ordinary store is such an occupation ... It’s not good for health, you had to think before.
        1. -1
          13 August 2022 20: 08
          Quote: bk0010
          The PPSh feature is that there was enough drum for the whole battle.

          Quote: bk0010
          The PPSh feature is that there was enough drum for the whole battle.

          There are 72 pats in the store, the rate of fire is 1000 per minute (16 per second), in total it will last for 4,3 seconds, and the whole battle is over. what
          1. +2
            13 August 2022 22: 26
            Quote: fa2998

            There are 72 patches in the store, the rate of fire is 1000 per minute (16 per second), in total enough for 4,3 seconds
            PPSh is not an anti-aircraft gun, but a submachine gun: they don’t shoot from it like that.
      2. 0
        14 August 2022 10: 27
        But the store capacity is large.
    3. +1
      13 August 2022 20: 36
      The guy starred in the memory with the exotic in his hands. smile And p / n, by the way, has a very well-groomed appearance.
  6. +3
    13 August 2022 14: 14
    winked Something is changing in the world. How is the M1 Garand in second position? bully
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 14: 19
      Emergency hi, so the article says Mosinka is the best with a sliding bolt, and Garand is already a semi-automatic.
    2. -2
      13 August 2022 14: 38
      He's not in second place. These murzilki just picked up various names in no particular order.
      A 7,62 mm rifle mod. 1891 (1891/30) was no good even by Soviet standards - it was brought into an acceptable form at the end of the war, a carbine arr. 1944. First of all, under the influence of a much more convenient Mauser.
      1. -1
        13 August 2022 15: 12
        Quote: Negro
        7,62 mm rifle mod. 1891 (1891/30) was no good even by Soviet standards - it was brought into an acceptable form at the end of the war, a carbine arr. 1944

        )))))))))))))))))) find the difference?
        1. -2
          13 August 2022 15: 25
          Do you have a bolt group in your weapon?
          1. +1
            13 August 2022 15: 32
            Quote: Negro
            Do you have a bolt group in your weapon?

            ))))))))))) Do you have an oar and a fly?
            Quote: poquello
            it was brought into an acceptable form at the end of the war, a carbine arr. 1944

            ))))))))))))))))
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 15: 45
              A million manufacturers of AKoids and ARok left the chat.
      2. 0
        14 August 2022 10: 29
        It just somehow happened that those with a Mauser lost. I didn’t shoot, but I held both a mosquito and a Mauser, first of all, it’s easier to carry it on myself, yes, it’s easier. But the difference between them is not that big.
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 11: 05
          Quote: Alexander Salenko
          It just somehow happened that those with a Mauser lost.

          Some kind of kindergarten argument. This fact does not say anything about a specific type of weapon.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 13: 44
            He says, not on the example of a Mauser. but German weapons were more expensive. It was in the USSR that the purchase price for weapons was decreasing. Thompson was no worse than an oil can, but it cost like a car, so the Americans switched to an oil can, is that clearer?
            1. +1
              14 August 2022 14: 09
              Quote: Alexander Salenko
              He says, not on the example of a Mauser. but German weapons were more expensive. It was in the USSR that the purchase price for weapons decreased

              For example, we do not really know anything about Soviet prices. Where the prices are clearer - 5,5 million Garands cost as much as 46 Fletcher destroyers (out of 176) or 1500-2000 four-engine bombers (out of 30 thousand). A lot, but not so horror-horror.
              Quote: Alexander Salenko
              the ompson was no worse than an oil can, but it cost like a car, so the Americans switched to an oil can,

              Thompson not only cost more than Garand, but also weighed more. Nevertheless, it was riveted three times more than the M3 - American military prices are a separate poem. More precisely, a criminal case.
              By the way. The heavy and well-balanced Thompson could well have become the first assault rifle instead of the German - he was tried with .351 WSL and .30 Carbine cartridges, which are close to intermediate in terms of energy (1,5-2 KJ). Unfortunately, American oaks didn't take to the idea.
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 14: 39
                E / then sitting behind two anti-tank ramparts such as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, you could rivet yourself whatever you want. What we needed was cheap and cheerful.
                As for Garand, I'm not one to talk about shitty American weapons just because they're American. My respect, the exchange of views was interesting, I don’t know why they put the minuses, for an opinion or something, what stupidity.
                hi
                1. +2
                  14 August 2022 15: 04
                  Quote: Alexander Salenko
                  E / then sitting behind two anti-tank ramparts such as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, you could rivet yourself whatever you want.

                  Yes, there are many benefits.
                  Quote: Alexander Salenko
                  What we needed was cheap and cheerful.

                  Someone's straitened circumstances do not make any weapon good or bad. Moreover, for general reasons, a high weapons and engineering culture and an unlimited machine park make it more likely (but not guaranteed) that good samples will appear. But yes, the USSR was forced to abandon its SVT Garand and switch to an outdated design from the time of the damned tsarist regime - the USSR, in fact, had no other options.

                  Although nothing prevented the ergonomics from being filed, it was in vain that they dragged on for so long. However, the hands have not reached the Kalash ergonomics for 70 years.
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2022 15: 13
                    Good weapon for what? There are clearly unsuccessful weapons, I don’t argue, but in general, gunsmiths are not idiots, they can fail performance. Is the wall a good machine? And the store outweighs it and the same topic was on the MP-38. Only the walls cost a penny. Is this the merit of the weapon? It seems to me that yes, because it is here and now.
                    Our craftsmen converted SVT into machine guns, did the Americans do the same with Garands, shitty rifles, or not? The best weapon is the one that is here and now.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2022 15: 47
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      Is the wall a good machine?

                      Squalor.
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      was on the MP-38

                      This one is more or less
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      Only the walls cost a penny. Is this the merit of the weapon?

                      For the richest England? Not really. A consequence of the panic of the 40th year, when they suddenly asked themselves the question "How should we arm the TerO"? The TerO was never needed by England, and Stan, as he was Mr., remained.
                      Quote: Alexander Salenko
                      The best weapon is the one that is here and now.

                      From this point of view, talking about certain types of weapons generally makes no sense. Sharpening on the pocket rocks.
                      1. 0
                        14 August 2022 15: 53
                        The fact that Stan is bullshit, I agree, but they filled up the army.
                      2. 0
                        14 August 2022 16: 04
                        The army fought with rifles. For auxiliary parts, the M1 Carbine is better. For assault units Thompson. Sten would be normal, but at first there were problems with reliability.
                        "They overwhelmed the army" could be an argument for the USSR, but not for Britain.
  7. +3
    13 August 2022 14: 23
    For example: "I fastened the bayonet tightly to my rifle, put an old revolver behind my boot .." but do they sing songs about Garand at all?
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 14: 30
      Boycott hi, naum came a rhyme from "Entire metal shell)))"
    2. +5
      13 August 2022 15: 03
      they pray for them:
      This is my rifle. There are many such rifles, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. This is my life. I must learn to wield a weapon as I wield my own life. Without me, my rifle is useless. I am useless without my rifle. I have to shoot straight with my rifle. I must shoot more accurately than the enemy who is trying to kill me. I have to shoot him before he shoots me. And I will do it. I swear to God. Me and my rifle, we are the defenders of my country. We are not afraid of enemies. We are life savers. So be it. Until there are no more enemies left and there is peace. Amen.
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 17: 03
        Pagans. Well, it's not a song anyway.
    3. +2
      13 August 2022 18: 50
      Quote: BoyCat
      For example: "I fastened the bayonet tightly to my rifle, put an old revolver behind my boot .." but do they sing songs about Garand at all?

      So the Yankees are not singing about riflemen, but about artillery. smile
      The main song of the American army - The Army Song - is a reworked US Field Artillery March, better known as The Caissons Go Rolling Along.

      Moreover, the main character of the American artillery march is not a gun, but a charging box. The Yankees fight with logistics. smile
      1. -1
        13 August 2022 20: 49
        I have nothing against logistics, I understand that it is super important. BUT, if you recall the wars where they somehow noted, it seems that apart from logistics on land, nothing else works for them.
  8. +1
    13 August 2022 14: 26
    where is MG42?!
    1. -16
      13 August 2022 14: 31
      What about MG42? So-so machine gun.
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 14: 41
        Which one is better then?
        1. -10
          13 August 2022 15: 00
          The one that is judged not by books, but by the mind.
          1. +2
            13 August 2022 16: 01
            Quote: Emergency
            The one that is judged not by books, but by the mind.

            It turns out that half of the world after the war took it into service, all debi ..ly? Both Europe and America make their "clones" based on it, do not hesitate, and survived until the 21st century, they are still fighting - they are from books choose a weapon? request hi hi
        2. +2
          13 August 2022 15: 04
          Which one is better then?

          Pecheneg!
        3. +2
          13 August 2022 15: 22
          And which one is better

          This is a rather strange question. Only the Germans had a single machine gun - relatively light, but belt-fed. Everyone else had store-fed handbrakes and heavy lathes.

          In this list, 3 of the five positions are the same. Mdvoika was the only massive KKP at the company-battalion level - in other armies, a small (compared to the Americans) number of KKPs was used only as anti-aircraft. The Garand is the only mass-produced self-loading rifle - the SVT has practically disappeared after the 41st year. StG44 is the only assault rifle.

          And the mosquito and PPSh are just a finger in the sky.
          1. -2
            14 August 2022 14: 10
            StG44 is the only assault rifle.

            It is interesting to observe how the name "Sturmgever", for the sake of pathos, given by Hitler to an automatic carbine, for some reason turned into some kind of assault rifles for many
      2. 0
        13 August 2022 15: 32
        So his automation works on the principle of a submachine gun.
    2. 0
      13 August 2022 14: 32
      Vasilenko Vladimir hi, yes, a strange rating. Everything is mixed and not classified.
      1. -1
        13 August 2022 14: 39
        It's not a rating at all. Comics for mentally handicapped kids.
  9. +2
    13 August 2022 14: 59
    I would replace StG 44 with MG 42 (bone cutter, circular saw) replaced.
  10. -2
    13 August 2022 15: 23
    I like TT
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 15: 34
      Carried on a permanent basis. Rare... Not grippy.
      1. -2
        13 August 2022 15: 39
        I like it, it stitches anyone, the only drawback is the fuse with a half-cocked jacket, but this is also a virtue, unlike the flag, it is instantly removed
        At one time, TT and AKMS were favorite weapons of one rare special forces
        1. +1
          13 August 2022 15: 50
          I didn't have any problems with stems. AKMS was my barrel, and TT, along with Stechkin, Nagant and PM, were in a safe. There was also Margo and Beretta 92nd, Colt 911 m Smith & Wesson of three models. There was a time. Rejoiced from the heart.
          1. -1
            13 August 2022 16: 02
            PM for the police, the attacker flies great from him, like a meter and a half, the revolver is good for removing sentries, the mosin is indispensable at a distance
            1. +1
              13 August 2022 16: 09
              In general, everything must be able to shoot. At the peak of my form, without looking at the monitor, I knew where I was going. From the AKM he kicked the tails of the tough guys from the TsSN and the maroon berets from the guards of the commander-in-chief of the explosives. You have shot, you are the champion everywhere.
              1. -1
                13 August 2022 16: 26
                There is such a concept - shooting in the direction without aiming, on instincts, if the instinct is developed, directed at the figure and immediately fired and hit, but this is not for everyone
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 16: 32
                  This is called a shot. Well, you can call it muscle memory.
                  1. 0
                    13 August 2022 16: 43
                    Shooting in the direction is not for fraers who are fashionable, it’s just that you need to shoot a lot in the shooting range, this began to be practiced by the German police department in the 50s responsible for protecting the chancellor, there the cartridges are not signed ...
              2. 0
                14 August 2022 05: 11
                Quote from mad big
                At the peak of my form, without looking at the monitor, I knew where I was getting

                Dear, from your words, 272 points are already MS, according to the "plate" from the CP ... Only with such points this is the second category.
                Quote from mad big
                From the AKM he kicked the tails of the tough guys from the TsSN and the maroon berets from the guards of the commander-in-chief of the explosives.

                This is when TsSN and VV trained in Cap.yar?
                1. +1
                  14 August 2022 07: 37
                  No. This is when they came to my shooting range and went to the shooting range while serving in the police. Sorry, but the police did not have time.
      2. IVZ
        +2
        13 August 2022 15: 53
        And the TT fell into my hand like a native. He shot but did not carry. Didn't like the ergonomics of the cocking. When removing the pistol, cocking it is somehow scary, and after aiming at the target, the pistol, when cocking the trigger, strongly deviates from its original position, although I did everything according to the instructions ".. little finger under the magazine ...". Probably due to lack of skill.
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 16: 02
          To each his own. For me, and PM with an individually made handle is quite good. Too bad my son didn't get it. One American horseskin holster was inherited. The handle dried out by itself.
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  12. IVZ
    +2
    13 August 2022 15: 31
    In general, albeit with reservations, I agree. Why Mosquito and not Mauser? Yes, during the war they were actually equivalent, but the mosquito is the weapon of the winners - this is important for the Americans, plus, perhaps, the personal predilections and unprofessionalism of the "experts" media. Americans have never been particularly embarrassed by such things as poor competence.
  13. +1
    13 August 2022 15: 47
    And suddenly RPD on the splash screen... request
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 20: 44
      The 7,62 mm Degtyarev light machine gun is a Soviet light machine gun developed in 1944 for the 7,62 mm cartridge mod. 1943. It was tested in combat conditions, so technically this is a machine gun from the Second World War. smile
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 21: 23
        However, he did not have time to prove himself ... As, however, in subsequent years of service. According to rumors, this pretty good car was crushed by the lobby from Kalashnikov ....
        1. +1
          13 August 2022 21: 37
          did not have time to prove himself ... As, however, in subsequent years of service

          I tried this machine during the service and I liked it, as well as everyone who dealt with it.
          As for the "Lobby from Kalashnikov", in Soviet times there was no lobby, there was simply a unification of the machine gun and light machine gun, which was cheaper to manufacture and more convenient to maintain.
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 21: 43
            Unification .... yes ... just that, in addition to the SVD, they were adopted from Degtyarev? And the machine gun is interesting, we had one in the gunsmith.
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 21: 50
              The designer of the SVD is not Degtyarev, but Dragunov Evgeny Fedorovich.
              1. 0
                13 August 2022 22: 56
                Exactly ... recourse Well, it was necessary to screw up like that ... I'm getting old or what?
                However, the picture is even sadder.
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 23: 16
                  It is OK, it happens. smile

                  1. +1
                    13 August 2022 23: 20
                    In! Lazy! Just creepy... smile
            2. 0
              13 August 2022 23: 09
              But what, long ago the SVD became the machine gun of Dyagterev? And what armory was he in? Did you have a weapon next to the sofa?
              1. 0
                13 August 2022 23: 12
                There was no sofa there ... what a pity! And the machine gun was ... what's so surprising? We also have it in the shooting range, however, it is a little expensive to shoot from it.
  14. +2
    13 August 2022 15: 50
    the fact that the Mauser has spread all over the world like the AK-47 is a fact (the beetle believes that the Polish Mauser is in front of the second world top of magazine rifles), the m1 garand has much less problems than the svt-40, the stormtrooper is not bad, but it was necessary to finish it, ppsh by 71 cartridge (and you try to drag and equip this store), dshk, well, no worse than browning m2, this is my opinion
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 23: 06
      When you want to live, you drag and recharge not only 71 cartridge magazines. And sitting on my mother's couch, I want to be a peacemaker and shoot blogs about weapons.
  15. +1
    13 August 2022 17: 14
    The reliability of this weapon led to the fact that German soldiers often used it.
    - it’s written here about the PPSh, in fact, the armies of the whole world constantly use captured weapons - simply because they exist. And the PPSh guns were used because there weren’t enough of their own PPs, and not because ours was faster-firing, I would rather write it into the shortcomings ....
    1. 0
      14 August 2022 10: 35
      Well, did we use the MP-40 for what reason? Is it better? The Germans and Maxims used, although not their standard machine gun, and Sturmgever, otherwise they often put the emphasis incorrectly, a kind of replacement for a light machine gun.
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    3. -2
      14 August 2022 14: 41
      The Hans used PPSh because their own PPs were not enough, and not because ours was faster-firing, I would rather add it to the shortcomings ....


      Yes, the hauptmann was carrying a heavy PPSh due to the lack of an MP-40 laughing
      And the rate of fire of the PPSh allowed and allows you to hit the target at a distance of up to half a kilometer.
      1. +1
        14 August 2022 15: 17
        and the cartridges for the hauptmann, in order to shoot half a kilometer and hit someone, who will carry it? two helpers?
        1. -1
          14 August 2022 15: 56
          On the other hand, our special forces near Kharsenoy went to technical intelligence, to check the patency of the road for vehicles. In addition to their ammunition, they also dragged grenade launchers and ammunition for machine guns, but they didn’t take spare batteries for walkie-talkies and sleeping bags ... they didn’t need cartridges. Since then, February 21, 2000 has been a black day for the GRU special forces. And this Hauptmann Winkler soon died, our PPSh did not help him, and they did not carry ammunition to him.
  16. 0
    13 August 2022 22: 23
    Have you forgotten about your Thompson? It is strange that there are no more MP 40 and mg 42.
  17. +2
    13 August 2022 23: 33
    Personal IMHO, I do not impose on anyone.
    1. The best bolt rifle - Mauser K-98
    2. Best PP-PPSh-41
    3. The best machine gun-MG-42
    4. The best ARMY Colt pistol 1911. (Would be chambered for 9x19 would be even better).
    5. The best "krupnyak" - DShK.
    Let's refute. I will be glad. wink
    1. +1
      14 August 2022 07: 49
      The question is scholastic. Each marker has a different color. PPSh, I would prefer PPS, and Walter 911th. People are all different. drinks
  18. 0
    16 August 2022 15: 19
    if the selection is based on ease of development, then understandable. Although the garand does not fit in here a bit, because. because of the clip of the wedge I caught no-no
  19. 0
    16 August 2022 16: 54

    Surprisingly, in the photo there is a Tomigan, which is not in the list of weapons in the article!
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 14: 31
      Actually, this is an RPD-44, not a Tomigan smile
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 21: 16
        Perhaps too lazy to go to the first floor to compare.
  20. +1
    16 August 2022 17: 17
    What a strange opus ..... Not professionally ...
  21. 0
    17 August 2022 14: 29
    Unlike other similar types of weapons, the M1 Garand had an eight-round magazine, which made it possible to fire more shots than the enemy could afford.

    Strange statement.
    ABC-36 - 15 rounds,
    SVT-38/40 - 10 rounds.
    StG44 <...> became the first assault rifle to receive mass production (about 450 thousand units).

    The first mass-produced machine gun, if under this category we bring weapons under an intermediate cartridge, was the Fedorov machine gun arr. 1916.