In Europe, they are looking for a replacement for Russian missiles after breaking off relations with Roskosmos

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The European Space Agency (ESA) is urgently looking for options to replace the Soyuz launch vehicle after breaking off relations with the Russian state corporation Roscosmos. The main competitor of the French Arianespace, which is still developing a new rocket, may be Elon Musk's private company SpaceX. Options for cooperation with India and Japan are also being considered. The decision will depend on when and how Arianespace's new Ariane 6 rocket is tested.

I would say that there are two and a half options that we are discussing. One of them is SpaceX, which is the most likely solution. Perhaps another is Japan, which is preparing the first flight of a next-generation rocket. Another option could be India

- ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher said in an interview with Reuters.



Negotiations are currently underway with SpaceX, but changing the launch vehicle, as Aschbacher puts it, is "not the same as jumping on another bus." For example, the interface between the satellite and the launcher must be compatible, and the payload must not be compromised by unfamiliar types of launch vibration. While the ESA is studying the technical feasibility of using alternative vehicles to request a quotation.

For launching satellites into orbit and flights to the ISS, the European Space Agency used Italian Vega rockets, French Ariane 5 and Russian Soyuz for medium loads. The agency cooperated with Russia for 10 years. Immediately after the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the European Union imposed sanctions on the export of goods to Russia for aviation and space industry. In response, Roskosmos curtailed cooperation with ESA and stopped deliveries of Energomash rocket engines to the United States.

After NASA and ESA broke off relations with Roskosmos, Elon Musk, who owns the only private company in the world that produces cargo and passenger spacecraft, began to quickly master the vacant niche. His Falcon 9 SpaceX launch vehicle has become very popular, the number of contracts for its use has increased dramatically. Even Musk's SpaceX Starlink competitor, OneWeb, has scheduled at least one Falcon 9 launch. Northrop Grumman has ordered three Falcon 9 flights to deliver NASA supplies to the International Space Station.

The rupture of relations with Roskosmos, which led to a partial suspension of European space programs, was called by the ESA director general a "wake-up call." He called on the countries that are part of the European Space Agency to take measures to avoid such scenarios in the future.

This is a wake up call, we must hope that decision makers are as aware of this as I am, that we must really strengthen our European capacity and independence

Ashbacher says.

The ESA Director General said that the exact schedule for testing the new European launch vehicle Ariane 6 will be known in October. Only then will ESA finalize the contingency plan, which will be presented to the ministers of the agency's 22 countries in November.

The conflict in Ukraine has demonstrated that the decade-long strategy of cooperation between Europe and Russia in the field of gas supplies and other areas, including space, is no longer working, the head of the ESA believes. At the same time, Ashbacher was skeptical about the statement of the new head of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov, about Russia's withdrawal from the ISS work program after 2024.

We depend on each other, whether we like it or not, we have little choice.

- ESA Director General assessed relations with Russia in the field of space exploration.
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  1. +7
    13 August 2022 10: 43
    Are we dependent on each other? Wake up... Clown... It's up to you.
    1. +5
      13 August 2022 10: 55
      We are waiting for a decade of work on the creation of a new station, development is predetermined. Their prospects are vaguer, it will not work to puff out their cheeks here. In addition, we need a state monopoly on the sale of titanium and other goodies. Let's see...
      1. +2
        13 August 2022 12: 42
        Well, everything is better than going along with China. Not worth it.
    2. +4
      13 August 2022 11: 03
      Well, the ISS is a single house built by different builders. And yes, it is not clear who will hit whom more, so the new head of Roskosmos has already played everything back - saying that leaving after 24 years was accepted a long time ago, but this does not mean that we are leaving at 24. And after the official announcement of the departure, there will be 1 year of normal functioning of the Russian component with a standard flight plan.

      For example, Science is now in the process of integration. If you leave the station in 24, then either drown it in the ocean, or give it away / sell it to NASA / ESA / JAXA, without really trying it out.

      About depend - the dependency window has already passed. They can carry fuel for maintenance. Also, in general, creating a conditional Cygnus / Dragon for ISS orbit correction is not a problem.
      1. +2
        13 August 2022 11: 52
        Quote: donavi49
        Also, in general, creating a conditional Cygnus / Dragon for ISS orbit correction is not a problem.

        Why in some conditional case? Signus is just doing an orbit correction, not the first time. It's a freelance job for him, but essentially all it takes is to expand the fuel tanks at the expense of the cargo.
        Quote: donavi49
        but this does not mean that we leave at 24

        Since the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the ISS means the end of the Russian manned cosmonautics, it will leave when it is kicked out - well, or when the station as a whole finishes work. The Americans can close the issue with the Russian Federation any day they want - they just close the hatch on their side and turn off the light. All electricity at the station is American.
        1. +3
          13 August 2022 13: 18
          Quote: Negro
          Why in some conditional case? Signus is just doing an orbit correction, not the first time. It's a freelance job for him, but essentially all it takes is to expand the fuel tanks at the expense of the cargo.


          Wrong. The location of the Lebed's application does not allow full adjustment and this does not depend on its tanks and remote control.

          Quote: Negro
          Since the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the ISS means the end of the Russian manned cosmonautics, it will leave when it is kicked out - well, or when the station as a whole finishes work.


          The concepts of "she will be kicked out", as well as "Russian manned cosmonautics" exist only in the brain of Internet hamsters - the station is controlled from the Korolev MCC, and we will leave the ISS only when the national ROS station is already operating.

          Quote: Negro
          The Americans can close the issue with the Russian Federation any day they want - they just close the hatch on their side and turn off the light. All electricity at the station is American.


          They can't "when they want to". First, the station does not belong only to the Americans. Secondly, the ISS RS has its own electricity - about 10 kW are received by the SEP of the Zvezda modules, which have already partially degraded and the new Science. In addition, there are collapsed PDS of the Zarya module, which can add another 2,5 kW of electricity.
          1. +1
            13 August 2022 13: 51
            Quote: slipped
            The location of the Lebed's application does not allow full adjustment and this does not depend on its tanks and remote control.

            The swan docking site requires additional fuel to be spent to turn the station into the correct position from the point of view of momentum application.
            Quote: slipped
            the station is controlled from the Korolev MCC, and we will leave the ISS only when the national ROS station is already operating.

            This, you know, is not for us to decide. As well as many other things.
            Quote: slipped
            First, the station does not belong only to the Americans.

            Take it to court.
            Quote: slipped
            about 10 kW receive the SES of the Zvezda modules, which have already partially degraded and the new Nauka. In addition, there are collapsed PDS of the Zarya module, which can add another 2,5 kW of electricity.

            ))) This is the correct clarification. It remains to be clarified that the power consumption of the ISS as a whole under normal conditions is 100 kW, and the power of the American "wings" is 248 kW (32x4). So at least the life support systems will continue to work on these 12 kW for some time. What can not but rejoice.
            1. +1
              13 August 2022 16: 03
              Quote: Negro
              The swan docking site requires additional fuel to be spent to turn the station into the correct position from the point of view of momentum application.


              No. Correction with the help of the Lebed spacecraft is possible only in the case of the ISS turn using the engines of the Russian segment of the station, which also stabilize and support the correction operation during the operation of the Lebed spacecraft engines and return the board to the standby orientation after the orbit correction.

              Quote: Negro
              This, you know, is not for us to decide. As well as many other things.


              Russia is one of the main participants in the ISS. Therefore, if the Russian segment is turned off, the station will be uncontrollable and quickly deorbit.

              Quote: Negro
              Take it to court.


              No. We'll flood the station by agreement.

              Quote: Negro
              ))) This is the correct clarification. It remains to be clarified....


              10 kW is enough for a crew of three people to stay on the ISS RS. Let me remind you that earlier we had almost the same amount of power at the MIR station. In addition, in case of a shortage of electricity, it is possible to deploy more solar panels. At the moment, Russia has the technology to deploy a solar power panel up to 20 kW in orbit.
              1. -1
                13 August 2022 17: 00
                Quote: slipped
                No. Correction using the Lebed spacecraft is only possible if the ISS turns using the engines of the Russian segment of the station,

                Well, now we have clarified that the station is being accelerated by an American ship. It remains to clarify the word "only" in the phrase only in case of ISS turn with the help of engines of the Russian segment of the station. And the Americans definitely cannot turn the station on their own? It would be strange.

                Quote: slipped
                Therefore, if the Russian segment is turned off, the station will be uncontrollable and quickly deorbit.

                After failing with trampolines, this is the only answer to the question to NASA "What are these strange people in earflaps they do it with icons and flags of the DPR"? However, the Americans have been working on this problem for at least a year - and somehow I have little doubt that it will be possible to solve it.
                Quote: slipped
                We'll flood the station by agreement.

                In practice, no one will even bother with undocking the Russian segment. Not to mention letting you flood someone else's property. Although one can expect anything from today's Russia.

                Therefore, in the event of a forced farewell to the Russian side, it would be a reasonable idea to immediately reduce the station's orbital angle from 52 to 28. In order to avoid, so to speak, even if this is not an easy task. It seems that this option has not yet been discussed, but in vain.
                Quote: slipped
                At the moment, Russia has the technology to deploy a solar power panel up to 20 kW in orbit.

                I see opportunities growing right before our eyes. You are not in Roskosmos, do you work for an hour?
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 20: 40
                  Quote: Negro
                  Well, now we have clarified ....


                  You didn't specify anything. The station does not need to be "accelerated", it needs to raise the orbit to the desired point. The swan alone does not know how to do this.

                  Quote: Negro
                  After the trampolines failed,


                  Wrong. It is necessary to write like this - after six years the Americans jumped on trampolines, they continue to jump today. They really need it, because they are used to it. lol Here is a photo of the new crew of our ship



                  Quote: Negro
                  this is the only answer to the question to NASA "What are these strange people ....


                  Are you talking about these strange people? lol



                  And what is that rag doing there, huh?

                  Quote: Negro
                  In practice, no one will even bother with undocking the Russian segment.


                  That's right - we will drown entirely, even a ship was developed for this.

                  Quote: Negro
                  Therefore, in the event of a forced farewell to the Russian side, it would be a reasonable idea to immediately reduce the station's orbit angle from 52 to 28.


                  Lord, I thought the interlocutor is smarter lol Ask the Vorlons or Membar, they might be able to help.

                  Quote: Negro
                  I see opportunities growing right before our eyes. You are not in Roskosmos, do you work for an hour?


                  We are also making a nuclear tug. No.
                  1. -2
                    13 August 2022 23: 50
                    Quote: slipped
                    The station does not need to be "accelerated", it needs to raise the orbit

                    The height of the orbit is a function of the speed.
                    Quote: slipped
                    Here is a photo of the new crew of our ship

                    Yes, NASA has questions.
                    Quote: slipped
                    Are you talking about these strange people?

                    Yes, they also could not resist clowning. But of course, it cannot be compared with the Russian red corner.
                    Quote: slipped
                    That's right - we will drown entirely, even a ship was developed for this.

                    On the air is our permanent heading "promises of Roskosmos".
                    Quote: slipped
                    Ask the Vorlons or Membar, they might be able to help.

                    Changing the inclination of the orbit does not require alien technology. But the matter is not easy - the ISS is too hefty.
                    Quote: slipped
                    We are also making a nuclear tug

                    Oh well. Once you're done with the nuclear torpedo.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2022 01: 43
                      Quote: Negro
                      The height of the orbit is a function of the speed.


                      The problem is that it is required to "announce the entire list" of actions to raise the orbit. Turning on the engines is only part of this process. In addition, there are only two Swans left to launch, which will fly in the near future, the rest will fly much later.

                      Quote: Negro
                      Yes, NASA has questions.


                      The ruins? lol There is no question there - the unreliability of NASA's new spacecraft, which is why they are sawing Roscosmos with their request for cross-flights. The flight of our cosmonaut on their ship is an element of PR - as a "quality mark" for their manned program.

                      Quote: Negro
                      Yes, they also could not resist clowning. But of course, it cannot be compared with the Russian red corner.


                      On the Russian segment there are symbolic images permanently located there, these are portraits of Gagarin, Korolev and Tsiolkovsky. Everything else that the cosmonauts demonstrate there takes place within the framework of specific events - whether the Victory flag is displayed there on May 9, the flags of our allies with whom we hold NVO or events at the request of representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church - these are purely personal decisions of our cosmonauts and they do not affect another part of the station crew. I’ll even say more - that part of the crew supports them.



                      Quote: Negro
                      On the air is our permanent heading "promises of Roskosmos".


                      They are being fulfilled. In this case, it is Russia that will sink the ISS. Others cannot do this.

                      Quote: Negro
                      Changing the inclination of the orbit does not require alien technology. But the matter is not easy - the ISS is too hefty.


                      This is no business. Even if we assume the presence of a nuclear tug of the first stage (with ID-250K) here and now, changing the inclination of the ISS orbit would take two to three years.

                      Quote: Negro
                      Oh well. Once you're done with the nuclear torpedo.


                      Poseidon creates another organization.
      2. +1
        13 August 2022 13: 02
        Quote: donavi49
        the new head of Roskosmos has already played everything back - saying that leaving after 24 years was accepted a long time ago, but this does not mean that we are leaving at 24.


        He could not "play back" so neither Rogozin nor Borisov ever stated that in 2024 "we are leaving the ISS." This was invented by Western propagandists and thrown into the Internet.

        On the part of Roscosmos, or rather even RSC Energia, which provides technical support for the ISS RS, it was only said that after 2025 the ISS RS will require too much time for its maintenance, as it will approach its third operating life.

        Quote: donavi49
        And after the official announcement of the departure, there will be 1 year of normal functioning of the Russian component with a standard flight plan.


        For partners to make appropriate decisions. Since with the shutdown of the ISS RS, the station loses the opportunity to correct its orbit and within a year or two it will flood itself in an unknown area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbour planet.

        Quote: donavi49
        For example, Science is now in the process of integration. If you leave the station in 24, then either drown it in the ocean, or give it away / sell it to NASA / ESA / JAXA, without really trying it out.


        MLM-U "Nauka" will complete its integration into the ISS RS this year, and we will have at least four years to "test it properly". During this time, all the experiments planned there will be carried out.

        Quote: donavi49
        About depend - the dependency window has already passed. They can carry fuel for maintenance. Also, in general, creating a conditional Cygnus / Dragon for ISS orbit correction is not a problem.


        No. The addiction continues. Can not. The latest experiment with Lebed showed that the station needs additional corrections from the ISS RS. The United States will not create an additional propulsion module, because if it starts to be done, then it must be done today, but they are not doing any work in this direction.
    3. nnm
      +5
      13 August 2022 11: 04
      If you remove the pathos, then he is right. We are mutually dependent on each other. Too strong mutual penetration of economies. You can say as much as you like that it is only they who depend on us, but this is far from being the case.
      The problem is that they depend on us mainly in terms of supply of resources, but we depend on them in high-tech industries. In which we can physically eliminate the backlog, but if we take into account the organizational component, then so far it does not look like we can do it
      1. -7
        13 August 2022 11: 13
        That's just the point, we can start producing high-tech products if the authorities want (only for some reason they don’t want and for 30 years they didn’t even think about it), but they won’t have resources, they either have or they don’t .
        1. nnm
          +2
          13 August 2022 11: 18
          This is what I'm talking about - that physically we are capable of it! But here's the rest....
          Resources, yes, in principle, are not renewable, but Europe will also not sit still in Ukraine - they will also look for ways to replace our supplies. But the problem for them is even different - new suppliers will be much more expensive, which will throw off the profitability of products and sharply reduce the competitive advantages of Europe over Asia.
        2. +3
          13 August 2022 11: 56
          Quote: Inokkenty
          That's just the point, we can start producing high-tech products if the authorities want

          China is turning inside out to produce high-tech products, but it is five years behind in the same chips (several generations by industry standards) with no signs of improvement. And the Russian Federation is not much China.
          Quote: Inokkenty
          and the resources they will not appear in any way, they either are, or they are not.

          You will laugh, but in order for "them" to have resources, they just need to be allowed to extract resources. The same Israel, for example, snot on the map, has no problems with resources. This is a purely political issue.
          1. +2
            13 August 2022 12: 40
            Well, the same China has no fundamental science so far. We have, albeit in decline. Not everything should be under the same brush.
            1. +2
              13 August 2022 12: 55
              Quote: Novosibirsk
              Well, the same China has no fundamental science so far.

              Does China have no fundamental science? OK, we take only one space. Does this mean that without the foundations of fundamental science, China already has several launch vehicles in operation, unlike Russia? He carried out truly unparalleled in the world (the Apollo program does not count, there was aerobatics) automatic docking of spacecraft in lunar orbit? Successfully assembling your national orbital station? Did you deliver lunar rovers and rovers locally? And moon soil? Launched a hydrogen engine? Solves the problems of jet landing of the first stage of the launch vehicle and successfully moves towards the creation of a heavyweight? Can you list Russia's successes in this area? Not the USSR, but the Russian Federation? And after all, this is only one space I took.
              1. +3
                13 August 2022 13: 20
                China is only concocting such a science. Japan doesn’t either, but they launch rockets, as indicated here in the article. It's a little different
              2. +2
                13 August 2022 13: 24
                We have already passed these moon rovers 45 years ago. I wrote about the decline of science in Russia, I think. Or are you blind? But this does not mean that we cannot use that experience, although not without problems.
                1. -3
                  13 August 2022 14: 31
                  Who are we"? What does the Russian Federation have to do with the events of 45 years ago? You do not know the date of the emergence of the Russian Federation as a state?
                  One does not have to be very sighted to understand that it was about the lack of fundamental science in China. I proved to you with specific examples that without it, it is impossible to make progress in space, which China has demonstrated. The presence of such a science in Russia (plus the vast experience, scientific developments, production potential, qualified personnel inherited from the USSR) for some reason does not allow Russia to even come close to the achievements of China. With all Russian fundamental science. Did China and the Russian Federation have equal starting conditions in space? No. Far from equal. And what is the result? Or did China steal everything from poor Russia? And lunar achievements, and rovers, and everything else? So even the USSR had nothing of the kind and was not even close. Can we leave fundamental science alone? Just with her, China is all right. At least in space.
                  1. +4
                    13 August 2022 14: 38
                    I'm not going to prove anything to you. VO as a platform for demonstrating your ego, I see. Fundamental science either exists or it doesn't. She can't be in one place. The Japanese bought patents, for example. Russia is simply underfunded. China is following the path that we have already traveled, and there is no need to divide it into the USSR and Russia. Cheap tricks
                    1. +3
                      13 August 2022 14: 39
                      Did you give me a minus again? Apologist?)
                    2. -3
                      13 August 2022 15: 38
                      Quote: Novosibirsk
                      Fundamental science either exists or it doesn't. She can't be in one place.

                      Those. Based on this logic, it is also not in Russia? This most fundamental science? Since it "cannot be in any one place"?
                      That's not the point at all, comrade. Not even underfunded. And the point is that in Russian science, and in the space industry in particular, the priorities are set incorrectly. Whom to give money to? What for? If the same Roskosmos rushes from kerosene to methane and hydrogen and vice versa? If he announces the creation of heavyweights, and then disowns them? If the launch of the simplest spacecraft "Luna-25" is again postponed? If no one really knows anything? If you hear only eternal projects like space tugs and OS in polar orbits? What to give money for? What to finance? What's the point? That is why China has left Russia behind, because China knows what it is doing today and what it will do tomorrow. And until we do the same, no funding and no basic science will help.
                  2. +3
                    13 August 2022 14: 41
                    China is now at the level of our 80s in space. Yes, we have lost our luggage, but there is no need to panic
                  3. +2
                    13 August 2022 14: 43
                    And we, comrade boor, this is exactly what Russia is modern. As I write, so I must read. There is no allegory, like, in my words
                  4. +2
                    13 August 2022 14: 45
                    You don’t know about Japan, apparently, in general, since you put minuses with frenzy.
                  5. for
                    0
                    13 August 2022 14: 50
                    Quote from: skeptick2
                    What does the Russian Federation have to do with the events of 45 years ago?

                    Why does she brag about our past victories,
              3. 0
                13 August 2022 13: 25
                The funniest thing is when the opponent himself puts minuses on you. So funny
            2. +3
              13 August 2022 12: 59
              Quote: Novosibirsk
              Well, the same China has no fundamental science so far. We have, albeit in decline.

              You have some strange and harmful illusions about science. Just in China, in terms of formal characteristics (citation, articles, patents), it is comparable even to the American one. So far, the content is noticeably worse and it is not known whether it is possible to change this situation at all. They tell the bike that one of the Soviet academicians said that Soviet science follows American science, like a ship follows an icebreaker. It seems to the eye that the ship is only slightly behind the icebreaker - but to catch up with the icebreaker impossible.
              Well, in the Russian Federation, science is in about the same state as everything else.
              1. 0
                13 August 2022 13: 22
                You don't teach me what's bad. Japan without a fund of science could become number 1 country if the Americans had not slowed it down in the 90s.
      2. 0
        13 August 2022 11: 24
        So it will be, as long as instead of a clear, as in the USSR, plan for the development of high-tech industries, there will be talk about import substitution.
        1. +2
          13 August 2022 12: 38
          It sounds so miserable - imprttozameschenie. Yes. It's instead of planning they came up with
      3. +1
        13 August 2022 12: 41
        And there is no choice
      4. 0
        14 August 2022 11: 19
        You can create high technologies, but you can't create resources.
    4. +5
      13 August 2022 11: 11
      Wake up... Clown... It's up to you.

      In what way does the ESA depend heavily on us? France generally has its own rocket - Ariane-5. Plus, there are foreign launch service providers to choose from: SpaceX with Falcon-9, JAXA (Japan) with all sorts of H-IIs ... With some ESA payload, the problem, as far as I understand, is that it is designed to interact with the Soyuz and his systems. Perhaps the problem is that in Guiana there are no sites for missiles with a payload capacity similar to the Soyuz. But in general, there is no dependence on Russia in this matter.
      Are we dependent on each other?

      And this, it seems, was said about cooperation under the ISS program. And there really is a productive cooperation of different parties with each other.
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 11: 44
        Quote: Plate
        it was said about cooperation under the ISS program. And there really is a productive cooperation of different parties with each other.

        Russia already has nothing to do on the ISS. All key tasks for human functioning in weightlessness and confined space have been worked out. Specific requirements have been formed for the dimensions and equipment of the new station - now you can take the next step, into a more "space" orbit, taking a person out of the protection of the Earth's magnetic field. And it seems to me that in this matter, Russia will no longer help "partners".
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 12: 01
          To get out from under the protection of the field, you need to bring your protection with you. And I personally do not presume to talk about its mass. Do we have a PH of the appropriate class? Or will we work out the assembly from imported parts in orbit?
          Both are very interesting and very useful, but also expensive, respectively.
          And wait. Has Roskosmos somewhere announced its intention to build manned stations in high orbits?
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 13: 33
            Quote: Plate
            Do we have a PH of the appropriate class?


            Weird. You have forgotten that Russia has heavy missiles like Proton-M and Angara-A5.

            Quote: Plate
            Or will we work out the assembly from imported parts in orbit?


            Russia does not need to "work out". Russia has been doing this for 50 years.

            Quote: Plate
            And wait. Has Roskosmos somewhere announced its intention to build manned stations in high orbits?


            Russian service station ROS in a polar, high-latitude orbit.
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 09: 09
              Okay, I found information according to which the new station will still be in low orbit, so in vain I started fussing here about mounting protection in space and the need for heavier rockets.
              In general, I think that it is necessary not to build stations, but to finally launch a nuclear power plant of a megawatt class. Judging by the descriptions, it will be possible with it even without particularly heavy rockets (just with the Angara-A5) to at least master the Moon right away.
              By the way, the Proton seems to have been discontinued. They promised that after the launch of the already released ones, they would switch to Angara-A5.
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 13: 34
                Quote: Plate
                Okay, I found information according to which the new station will still be in low orbit, so in vain I started fussing here about mounting protection in space and the need for heavier rockets.


                Although the station will be in low orbit, it will touch the radiation belts in the polar region. But the protection provided by the pressurized compartment housing and the equipment on it is enough for cosmonauts to work on a rotational basis at the ROS. The station will be assembled using heavy launch vehicles Angara-A5M.

                Quote: Plate
                By the way, the Proton seems to have been discontinued. They promised that after the launch of the already released ones, they would switch to Angara-A5.


                We have 12 more launches of previously launched Proton-M missiles. There will be two launches this year. In addition, the launches of Proton-M will most likely continue after 2025 for a couple of years, since part of the payloads designed to be launched by this rocket are delayed in production due to the break in long-term cooperation with Europe.
          2. Egg
            0
            13 August 2022 14: 23
            Quote: Plate
            Do we have a PH of the appropriate class? Or will we work out the assembly from imported parts in orbit?

            and what about the Energia rocket (in my opinion) they said that it seemed like it could carry up to 100 tons into orbit, the project was completely buried?
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 16: 21
              Quote: Telur
              and what about the Energia rocket (in my opinion) they said that it seemed like it could carry up to 100 tons into orbit, the project was completely buried?


              The Energia-Buran project is a product of the late USSR and was created in cooperation with many enterprises that existed at that time. After the "independence parade" all cooperation was destroyed, part of the material base went to Kazakhstan, which immediately demanded money for its use and the project was stopped. And after the collapse of the roof, the MIK was completely completed.

              Today we are returning to those technologies in terms of upgrading the RD-171MV engine for the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle. On the basis of the RD-170 engine from the parablock of the Energia launch vehicle, engines were created - RD-180 and RD-191, the latter is installed on the universal rocket module of the Angara launch vehicle and is now also being upgraded to increase its power.
        2. 0
          13 August 2022 12: 37
          Well, they have already stated that the ISS will end in 2025 and there will be its own station (possibly).
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 13: 35
            Quote: Novosibirsk
            Well, they have already stated that the ISS will end in 2025 and there will be its own station (possibly).


            No. The agreement on the ISS is now until 2024 inclusive. Then they will decide on the completion of work with the station with partners. At the same time, work on our new station has already begun.
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 13: 54
              Well, good. Yours is much more expensive. But it's better than bird's rights to be in the ISS
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 13: 46
                Quote: Novosibirsk
                Well, good. Yours is much more expensive. But it's better than bird's rights to be in the ISS


                Under the agreement, there are no "bird rights" - Russia is one of the two main participants in the ISS project.
                1. -1
                  14 August 2022 14: 43
                  Our participation is as follows: imagine a stoker where they heat and a house where balls are held (all the main scientific studies). Here, our life support module is such a stoker.
                  1. 0
                    15 August 2022 13: 40
                    Quote: Novosibirsk
                    Our participation is as follows: imagine a stoker where they heat and a house where balls are held (all the main scientific studies). Here, our life support module is such a stoker.


                    You are strongly mistaken. Or you are misinformed. Firstly, we have ISS RS with five modules. Secondly, space experiments are carried out on the ISS RS according to the Russian scientific program. A list of ongoing space experiments is published before each space flight, and recently, at the insistence of the former head of Roscosmos Rogozin, the site publishes a weekly review of ongoing work on the Russian segment of the station. To understand the ongoing work, you can read the lecture from the directors of the experiment on biofabrication at the ISS RS:

                    1. -1
                      15 August 2022 14: 09
                      Well, that's not the answer. Mali published a hundred Rogozin. Politically it's different
                      1. 0
                        15 August 2022 14: 24
                        Quote: Novosibirsk
                        Well, that's not the answer. Mali published a hundred Rogozin. Politically it's different


                        You should familiarize yourself with the management structure of the ISS. The project is headed by the head of Roscosmos and the head of NASA. And only their collective decisions affect the fate of the project. This is about your "politically".
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2022 14: 28
                        And where does this collegiality lean?
                      3. 0
                        15 August 2022 14: 30
                        Well, I've heard a different point of view. And your own station is your own, but it costs other money, of course. So everyone will have their own opinion. Thanks for the commentary
                      4. 0
                        16 August 2022 12: 36
                        Quote: Novosibirsk
                        Well, I've heard a different point of view.


                        It is not worth listening to "points of view" when there are regulatory documents adopted quite a long time ago and regulating the operation of the ISS.
                      5. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 00
                        There have always been and still are arms agreements, but the real policy was somewhat different.
                      6. 0
                        16 August 2022 14: 11
                        Quote: Novosibirsk
                        There have always been and still are arms agreements, but the real policy was somewhat different.


                        Do not confuse hard with soft. On the ISS, each side is responsible only for its own segment. Two-thirds of the cost of the station's flight is paid by the USA + satellite countries within the limits of competence in their segment, one third - by Russia within its own. Inter-segment relations are carried out only on a commercial basis, and general decisions on the station are made by a joint commission of chapters.
                      7. 0
                        16 August 2022 14: 15
                        Well, I gave my opinion. I think that's enough.
                      8. 0
                        17 August 2022 16: 37
                        Quote: Novosibirsk
                        Well, I gave my opinion. I think that's enough.


                        It is incorrect. The ISS station belongs to both the United States and Russia to the same extent, as it is a single entity. The only difference is that Russian modules are more autonomous than American ones.
      2. +1
        13 August 2022 12: 09
        Quote: Plate
        France generally has its own rocket - Ariane-5. Plus, there are foreign launch service providers to choose from: SpaceX with Falcon-9, JAXA (Japan) with all sorts of H-II

        The Union was initially positioned as a kind of plug between the light Vega and the heavy Ariane 5. It was supposed to get rid of it on the next generation of European missiles. But work on new missiles dragged on: a combination of European bureaucratic red tape and covid. But things are slowly going on, in July the reinforced Vega C already flew, next year the 100 times delayed Ariane 62 should fly. In fact, the Europeans need to intercept in average loads for about a year. But we live in a world where Musk's rockets fly more often than buses go to some Russian regional centers - so the problem of actually removing the load is absent from the word "generally".
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 09: 14
          Yes, Musk is great with his partial reusability. I can't wait for Russian analogues in action.
          Thanks for the more detailed ESA missile cases.
      3. 0
        13 August 2022 13: 28
        Quote: Plate
        In what way does the ESA depend heavily on us? France generally has its own rocket - Ariane-5.


        They depend on us in the middle inference class. There are payloads that are not profitable to display the expensive and heavy Ariane-5. Therefore, after the termination of our cooperation with them on the Soyuz in the GCC project, ESA had several spacecraft at once, including ready-made ones, hovering on the stocks. The figure was called five KA. That is why they are now looking for other withdrawal service providers.

        Quote: Plate
        Plus, there are foreign launch service providers to choose from: SpaceX with Falcon-9, JAXA (Japan) with all sorts of H-IIs ...


        They have a launch sequence. If an opportunity arises, it will be only due to the fact that someone is moved.

        Quote: Plate
        With some ESA payload, the problem, as far as I understand, is that it is designed to interact with Soyuz and its systems.


        And this too. And also with a warranty period for already manufactured spacecraft. Europe has already lost a lot of money on its "whims".

        Quote: Plate
        Perhaps the problem is that in Guiana there are no sites for missiles with a payload capacity similar to the Soyuz. But in general, there is no dependence on Russia in this matter.


        I look in the book I see a fig. laughing It is precisely because of the dependence on Russia that ESA has to look for other service providers, and not to remove the stuck spacecraft themselves.

        Quote: Plate
        And this, it seems, was said about cooperation under the ISS program. And there really is a productive cooperation of different parties with each other.


        So cooperation with the US is different. lol What is possible for the owner is sometimes impossible for the vassals.
        1. 0
          14 August 2022 13: 32
          Quote: slipped
          They have a launch sequence. If an opportunity arises, it will be only due to the fact that someone is moved.

          This is true for Aryan or some Delta, but not for Musk. The launches planned at the beginning of the year always move to the right in a large part - the same Mask has already moved two out of four Heavy launches for 2023, and it’s impossible to keep track of the usual ones.

          So finding a couple of windows a year is not a problem at all when you have 3 launches a week.
          Quote: slipped
          Turning on the engines is only part of this process

          I mean, the Americans have not yet rehearsed the work without Russia at all? Yes, we haven't rehearsed yet.
          Quote: slipped
          In addition, there are only two Swans left to launch.

          )))
          You, as usual, replace the word "planned" with the words "the only possibility left." Although you are partly right - if there is a decision to leave, NASA will have to connect the Mask to reserve opportunities. That is, as you "have to", it is possible without reservation - Roscosmos does not have it and never had it. But NASA can afford it because rich people.
          Quote: slipped
          that's why they saw Roskosmos with their request for cross flights

          By the way, for the same reason (mostly) they cling to the Unions until the Starliner is certified.
          Quote: slipped
          The flight of our cosmonaut on their ship is an element of PR - as a "quality mark" for their manned program.

          Vice versa. There are still people who are "out of politics in space", "on behalf of all mankind", Soyuz-Apollo, that's all. heavy legacy hippie movements Cold War.
          If such arguments make sense in today's world, then it is necessary to cut a joint program with the Chinese, but certainly not with the Russian Federation.
          Quote: slipped
          whether the flag of Victory is displayed there on May 9, the flags of our allies with whom we hold NVO or events at the request of representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church - these are purely personal decisions of our cosmonauts and they do not affect the other part of the station crew. I’ll even say more - that part of the crew supports them.

          Always skeptical about launching monkeys manned astronautics, but you have added arguments to me, thank you.
          Quote: slipped
          In this case, it is Russia that will sink the ISS

          If they don't kick her out sooner.
          Quote: slipped
          changing the inclination of the ISS orbit would take two to three years.

          Hard to believe. However, now it is empty talk.
          Quote: slipped
          Poseidon creates another organization.

          Oh well.
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 14: 26
            Quote: Negro
            This is true for Aryan or some Delta, but not for Musk.


            This is true for anyone who launches rockets. In addition, it costs money that has already been paid for the ready-made Soyuz-2 missiles that are in the GCC.

            Quote: Negro
            So finding a couple of windows a year is not a problem at all when you have 3 launches a week.


            Haven't been found in six months.

            Quote: Negro
            I mean, the Americans have not yet rehearsed the work without Russia at all? Yes, we haven't rehearsed yet.


            And they don't even plan to.

            Quote: Negro
            You, as usual, replace the word "planned" with the words "the only possibility left." Although you are partly right - if there is a decision to leave, NASA will have to connect the Mask to reserve opportunities.


            I proceed from current realities. The swan was previously launched on Atlas-5, but here the thing is - the cost of a game.

            Quote: Negro
            That is, as you "have to", it is possible without reservation - Roscosmos does not have it and never had it. But NASA can afford it because rich people.


            What was "not there" at Roskosmos? laughing We have two medium-class missiles in operation today - Soyuz-2.1a and Soyuz-2.1b.

            Quote: Negro
            Vice versa. There are still people who are "out of politics in space", "on behalf of all mankind", Soyuz-Apollo, that's all. heavy legacy hippie movements Cold War.


            There's no need to talk nonsense here. For the United States today, space is the future arena of hostilities. This is what their space force commander is constantly trending about, along the way complaining about our "unprofessional actions" when we intercept his spies.

            Quote: Negro
            If such arguments make sense in today's world, then it is necessary to cut a joint program with the Chinese, but certainly not with the Russian Federation.


            It only says that you are not at all in the tooth with a foot in the attitude of the Americans to the Chinese space. Russia has always been a reliable partner of America in space - 30 years of direct cooperation. But the Americans cooperate only when it suits them. We, having carefully studied the work of partners during this time, too. Nothing personal just business.

            Quote: Negro
            Always skeptical about launching monkeys manned astronautics, but you have added arguments to me, thank you.


            You are a cardboard fool, a couch commentator. lol

            Quote: Negro
            If they don't kick her out sooner.


            Look - the second program. lol You never understood that the narrative "will be kicked out" exists only in the inflamed brain of the Ruins. laughing
            1. 0
              14 August 2022 14: 57
              Quote: slipped
              This is true for anyone who launches rockets.

              Not anymore. Progress, so to speak.
              Quote: slipped
              In addition, it costs money that has already been previously paid.

              I will think about the problems of European taxpayers another time.
              Quote: slipped
              Haven't been found in six months.

              The ESA says it has only now gotten around to asking Musk for Falcon specifications.
              Quote: slipped
              And they don't even plan to.

              Well, it’s impolite to somehow put up an apartment on Avito while your grandmother is still alive.
              Quote: slipped
              I proceed from current realities.

              The current realities are such that Northrop cannot order a new rocket (more precisely, a new first stage) for two launches of Signus in 2024-2025, and up to this point 4 launches have already been bought from Musk. Fortunately, the Falcon was made taking into account the EELV specifications, and the transfer from one rocket to another for the Americans requires minimal effort.
              Quote: slipped
              We have two medium-class missiles in operation today

              Only one rocket is certified for manned launches and only one ship. The Americans have certified 2 missiles and are undergoing certification of the 2nd and 3rd ships.
              Quote: slipped
              Today for the USA - space is the future arena of warfare

              You somehow discovered the military significance of space for yourself a bit late. War is war, and PR is PR, different departments are responsible for this. Speaking of Apollo Soyuz.
              Quote: slipped
              It only says that you are not at all in the tooth with a foot in the attitude of the Americans to the Chinese space.

              Americans have a sharply negative attitude towards Chinese space. But the Chinese can be helpful, unlike.
              Quote: slipped
              You still don’t understand that the narrative “will be kicked out” exists only in an inflamed brain

              So far, yes - I'm telling you, NASA has a lot of questions all these years. Bad time for old hippies. However, they never had a good time.
              1. 0
                15 August 2022 14: 21
                Quote: Negro
                Not anymore. Progress, so to speak.


                This "progress" is made up of the Pentagon putting the dough into deploying Starlink. The lion's share of launches is associated with it and the serial production of the same type of small spacecraft. I will say this - it was necessary to come up with a constellation of thousands of satellites in advance in order to justify the "reusability" of the first stage of the F9 rocket. The only question is - if the Pentagon cools down to this system, will the Mask of Tyama be enough to support such a grouping? ICAs are not eternal.

                Quote: Negro
                I will think about the problems of European taxpayers another time.


                Well, think. lol This topic is just about their problems, in case you forgot.

                Quote: Negro
                The ESA says it has only now gotten around to asking Musk for Falcon specifications.


                Searched for six months. And just now.... lol ESA has only had two rocket launches this year, and that was just recently. The delay in the launch of Ariane-6 has led to the fact that Europe will have to bow to its master.

                Quote: Negro
                Well, it’s impolite to somehow put up an apartment on Avito while your grandmother is still alive.


                Nothing personal is just a business.

                Quote: Negro
                The current realities are such that Northrop cannot order a new rocket (more precisely, a new first stage) for two Signus launches in 2024-2025


                There is no engine yet. Not earlier than the 25th year for sure. And after the 25th year, when we develop the NEM for the ROS, we will begin the procedure for curtailing work on the ISS RS and transferring them to our new station.

                Quote: Negro
                and have already bought...


                If you want to live, know how to spin. laughing

                Quote: Negro
                Only one rocket is certified for manned launches and only one ship. The Americans have certified 2 missiles and are undergoing certification of the 2nd and 3rd ships.


                And why do we need a lot of ships for LEO now? It is quite enough that for 23 years it has been the Soyuz TPK that has been a reliable "rescue ship" for the ISS. Another rocket will be "certified" for Soyuz MS to work with ROS when the time comes. The Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle has already launched cargo under our manned program last year. As for the "second ship", the first tests of the SAS PTK NP from the Vostochny cosmodrome, as well as parachute and impact tests of the VA are scheduled for next year. The ship itself is created for flights to the moon.

                Quote: Negro
                You somehow discovered the military significance of space for yourself a bit late. War is war, and PR is PR, different departments are responsible for this. Speaking of Apollo Soyuz.


                Russia for the peaceful exploration of outer space. But our armored train is on the siding. If something - zhahnem, but then.

                Quote: Negro
                Americans have a sharply negative attitude towards Chinese space. But the Chinese can be helpful, unlike.


                Late. The Chinese are already cooperating with Russia. lol
    5. -1
      13 August 2022 12: 18
      everything depends on you winked
    6. 0
      13 August 2022 15: 04
      These are orders, money. A lot of money, which our space industry is not superfluous at all. The country now has no money for space, and such orders can save the day.
  2. -1
    13 August 2022 10: 46
    In Europe, they are looking for a replacement for Russian missiles after breaking off relations with Roskosmos
    . Let them look for a suitable "trampoline" ... this is not our problem.
    1. +4
      13 August 2022 10: 51
      Vitya soldier
      It is strange that Ashbacher (what a surname!) did not blame Russia for all the troubles, as is customary in the West. wink
      1. -1
        13 August 2022 11: 02
        Hello pasha soldier
        Maybe the gay Europeans want to show that they are the first, they decide everything themselves? Then blame Russia, as it will be strange, on their part.
        After all, they also want to indicate their importance, significance.
        Now it is necessary, at least somehow, to solve pressing problems, because I don’t want to increase, add this to everyone else, and they will lose money / funding, against the background of the financial crisis in their union.
        In general, their affairs.
        1. -1
          13 August 2022 11: 09
          Quote: rocket757
          Now it is necessary, at least somehow, to solve pressing problems

          They created it themselves - let them decide for themselves. Westerners love to cut the branch on which they sit ...
    2. +6
      13 August 2022 11: 19
      Well, here ESA is its own evil pinocchio that ran into Arianspace, giving them carte blanche and funding.

      About RN:
      Musk - his minibus has already flown 36 times this year. Moreover, paired launches became the norm. 10 and 12 flew off successfully, the next pair on August 19-23. This year, there will almost certainly be 50+ missiles. Today, this is the only such a massive supplier of launch services in the world, which can replace the conditional 3-5 launches of the Unions from the wheels, without any road maps and plans to increase the output of those that go far.

      The H3 is a very advanced Japanese rocket with Napoleonic plans to capture space launches. The emphasis is on a small margin, with a large number of launches. However, this is LHV+LCD - that is, the price tag immediately grows, only for the fuel pair, although super-mega eco.

      The Japanese have a very strong oxygen-hydrogen school and the older, more expensive version flies great. Therefore, there should be no problems with the mass 8 ton H3.


      PSLV - Indian minibus of death, with a world record for launching trash cans at a time. The main problem of PSLV is scaling. For example, this year there are 2 launches (moreover, 1 penalty, which covid gnawed on the load last year, and 1 more will be at the end of the year - that is, 2,5-3 missiles / year on average for the entire history of 55 launches, for the needs of ESA it is necessary to double production). Plus, this is not even close to eco, there are all sorts of heptilchiki in high esteem.


      Also, in general, it is possible to split part of the load into other launch vehicles, for example, to carry a trifle on an Electron. Fill up with extra fuel for other launches. In reality, it’s 1-2 launches per year not to stick somewhere.
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 12: 18
        Quote: donavi49
        Also, in general, it is possible to split part of the load into other launch vehicles, for example, to carry a trifle on an Electron

        They have their own Vega C already, which should be more powerful than Vega - that is, under 2 tons in low orbits. Small change can be carried in the Maskovsky bus (rideshare).

        The Indian stinker was remembered rather in the order of colonial guilt - the Europeans have no need for it. The Japanese woman is good from an engineering point of view, but let her fly first - I’m not talking about the statistics of accident-free launches by the mask.
      2. -1
        14 August 2022 11: 37
        Heptyl, hydrogen, methane, kerosene - this is a completely far-fetched confrontation, a dirty trick of the struggle with competitors. It will sink into oblivion like all "green energy". Let's be honest, with 10 billion tons of hydrocarbons burned per year, save on 50 tons of rocket fuel? Gretinsky widumki.
  3. KCA
    -1
    13 August 2022 10: 57
    For 10 launches of Ariane-5, 10 launches of Soyuz, the Europeans found themselves hemorrhoids
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 11: 01
      Quote: KCA
      Europeans found themselves hemorrhoids

      So they have such national fun in their geyrop, everyone is used to it ..
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  5. +2
    13 August 2022 11: 02
    We depend on each other, whether we like it or not, we have little choice.
    The space market turned out to be not so extensive.
  6. 0
    13 August 2022 11: 03
    For Ashba-hera, and not space flights! (((
  7. +6
    13 August 2022 11: 22
    No matter how much we scold Musk, but only in these six months he has 32 starts. And of course, he will be happy to deliver European satellites into orbit.
    1. -3
      13 August 2022 11: 53
      But the Europeans will no longer be able to pay for all the launches that have risen in price and some will be canceled.
      There is strong lobbying for Musk and people no longer believe in fairy tales about competition.
      1. +4
        13 August 2022 12: 03
        Quote: Genry
        т

        Why have risen in price? Musk is selling his rockets for the same price Arian was selling ESA Alliances for
      2. +3
        13 August 2022 12: 21
        Quote: Genry
        But the Europeans will no longer be able to pay for all the launches that have risen in price and some will be canceled.

        Cheaper. Musk offers more load for about the same money.
    2. 0
      14 August 2022 11: 42
      Of course. Is it a pleasure for Europeans? And how much will it cost them now
      Musk is a monopoly. Having won a monopoly position by non-market means, namely threats and prohibitions?
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  9. -1
    13 August 2022 11: 39
    How do you want to see the decomposition of Europe with the industry stopped ... With pipes of bourgeois from apartments, with boxes-boxes with personal belongings laid out for sale, and ask them - do you remember the 90s ?! am We survived, now it's your turn!
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 12: 34
      see more
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 12: 38
        Quote: Novosibirsk
        see more

        It’s unlikely ... They don’t let them into the military enlistment office - they say it’s time to throw off the hooves, and not march around Europe ...
        1. +1
          13 August 2022 12: 44
          Americans will leave Europe this decade. Regional wars and a comprehensive energy crisis, worse than in the 70s. Let's see.
        2. -1
          14 August 2022 18: 06
          The hooves are not thrown off, but thrown back, but there is no need to rush into this. Everything will happen by itself. It's better to look at gay European madmen and shout like Suvorov "We are Russians, what a delight" hi
          1. 0
            14 August 2022 20: 08
            Quote: Ros 56
            The hooves are not thrown off, but thrown back,

            Anyone can offend an artist... wink
    2. 0
      14 August 2022 18: 02
      Yes, we had potbelly stoves in besieged Leningrad during the war, and they will be in geyropa in peacetime because of their own stupidity. Lyapota.
      1. -2
        15 August 2022 10: 11
        Was there also a war in the Yekaterinburg region in 2015?
        https://newdaynews.ru/ekb/546227.html

        And in general: "In some regions, more than a third of families heat their homes with wood or coal. For example, in the Jewish Autonomous Region and the Altai Republic, a stove is the main source of heat for 39% of households, in Buryatia - for 43%, and in the Trans-Baikal Territory - for 50 The situation is worst in Tyva, where 88% of families use stove heating."
        1. -2
          15 August 2022 14: 32
          With analytics, you have big problems. The fact that you named the regions after Russia was the norm for them, and the transition to gas is progress. And the transition of geyropy from gas to potbelly stoves, this is the degradation and lowering of living standards due to their own geyropey stupidity. Not even on their own, but at the whim of the striped ones, which once again confirms their stupidity and stupidity in one bottle.
          1. -2
            15 August 2022 16: 48
            Well, of course! Everyone around is fools, only you are the smartest laughing
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 08: 45
              Do not attribute to me what I did not say, but you know better. And in terms of stupidity, you have no equal. wassat
    3. -2
      15 August 2022 10: 07
      You have very strange desires. And thank God that they will remain only in your imagination.
  10. 0
    13 August 2022 11: 43
    In Europe, they are looking for a replacement for Russian missiles after breaking off relations with Roskosmos

    De beats! fellow
    First, they cut them on a skew and sit in a "puddle", then they look for opportunities to get out of this "puddle"! laughing
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 12: 41
      Quote: K-50
      First, they cut them on a skew and sit in a "puddle", then they look for opportunities to get out of this "puddle"!

      To create difficulties and successfully overcome them, this is our original, Russian. Do not repeat, life threatening. What is good for a Russian is death for a German!
  11. -3
    13 August 2022 11: 46
    Quote: nnm
    If you remove the pathos, then he is right. We are mutually dependent on each other. Too strong mutual penetration of economies. You can say as much as you like that it is only they who depend on us, but this is far from being the case.
    The problem is that they depend on us mainly in terms of supply of resources, but we depend on them in high-tech industries. In which we can physically eliminate the backlog, but if we take into account the organizational component, then so far it does not look like we can do it

    What do you offer besides your opus???
    Or continue to be cabbies-plumbers???
    Are you not funny???
    Now another time has come - to be self-sufficient and independent, as it was under the USSR.
    1. +1
      13 August 2022 12: 24
      we can’t be the USSR, because we have never been the USSR .. and we won’t be .. or how can the Russian Federation become the USSR, are there options? Yes, and in the revival of communism and unification back, I personally do not believe and see no way .. therefore, your opus is an unrealizable slogan .. but I am only FOR this slogan
      Quote: Joker62
      be self-sufficient and independent

      it's a pity that this is just a slogan that has nothing to do with reality ..
  12. -1
    13 August 2022 12: 19
    The European Space Agency (ESA) is urgently looking for options to replace the Soyuz launch vehicle after breaking off relations with the Russian state corporation Roscosmos
    As recommended by Ragozin, Chinese trampolines. A very reliable tool. laughing laughing laughing
  13. -1
    13 August 2022 12: 23
    I wonder why the hell Petrov and Boshirov are still on vacation? Isn't it time for them to go first to Europe, and then to America, and take an interest in all the launch vehicles? Well, there, a couple of nuts with each twist, purely for memory? wassat
  14. +1
    13 August 2022 12: 33
    "Over Some Rotten Tomatoes"
  15. 0
    13 August 2022 14: 01
    In response, Roscosmos curtailed cooperation with ESA and stopped deliveries of Energomash rocket engines to the USA.
    Gazeta.ru:
    27 August 2021, 10: 20
    "Do not depend on Russia": the United States abandoned the RD-180 engines
    The United States is finishing production of the legendary Atlas V rocket and is halting Russian purchases of engines for its RD-180 first stage. This was stated in an interview with The Verge by the head of the ULA consortium, Tony Bruno.
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 14: 49
      Slightly different engines. Atlas-5 left on its own. They turned off the supply of engines for Northrop (former Orbital) with Antares - but there the rocket is dead and unsuccessful (it flies exclusively in the ISS service format carrying Lebed, but Lebed on Atlas is even more lucky, which was demonstrated in 16), in fact, this is another argument for NASA, to bury this carrier, which the good-natured Jim (the former director of NASA) tried to do, without any sanctions and supply interruptions.
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 16: 32
        Quote: donavi49
        Turned off the supply of engines for Northrop (former Orbital)


        Northrop Grumman can't be the "former Orbital". laughing This Orbital ATK became part of Northrop Grumman. There are two Antares launches left on previously delivered RD-181 engines. After that, the rocket will cease to exist. The possibility of creating an Antares-330 carrier based on it with engines from Firefly is now being discussed, but such engines will appear no earlier than in a few years.
        1. +3
          13 August 2022 17: 12
          Well, I meant that the rocket is made by the former Orbital, which was bought out by Northrop.

          Antares is not needed, they won’t give money for it, Northrop won’t give it either. Against the rocket and the past head of NASA and the current one. They dragged the rocket exclusively because it was ready + lobbying-jobs in the state, etc. No one but NASA needs this rocket.
          1. -2
            13 August 2022 20: 44
            Quote: donavi49
            No one but NASA needs this rocket.


            A suitcase without a handle, which was torn off with meat by the "evil Russians" is really no longer needed. And no one will make the first step for them.
  16. -1
    14 August 2022 11: 43
    "... We depend on each other, whether we like it or not, but we have little choice
    - ESA Director General assessed relations with Russia in the field of space exploration.


    The degree of dependency varies. The dependence of a mandatory, executive partner, who is used to fulfilling his obligations, but who is fully able to do it alone, is one. The dependence of the parasite, fish-sticks-is different. Restoring the Russian economy after the collapse of the USSR is difficult. Industry has not been restored to the required extent. But we will do it, we are sure of it. But Mars will wait. It has existed for billions of years without man, and will continue to exist for some time. I think it is on Mars that the soap bubble of this swindler Mask will be blown away. How much can you trust this crook? And this "genius" will return to what it came out of - trading on the Internet.
  17. 0
    14 August 2022 12: 31
    Well, after all, it was clear for a long time that it was necessary to stop cooperating with NASA. Nooo, Roskosmos clung to the end for commercial flights, launches and engine deliveries. (It's time to restore SMERSH).
  18. -1
    14 August 2022 17: 58
    In, survived, they are already starting to look for missiles. And once Gagarin was a symbol of humanity. How people are degraded.
  19. 0
    12 September 2022 05: 44
    And what to look for? Space Ex

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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