Ukraine asked the United States for the supply of howitzers, but not the American M777

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The 155-mm M777 howitzers supplied by the Americans to Ukraine do not meet the requirements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv asked the United States to supply some other howitzers, but not these. Also, Ukraine is in great need of ammunition for the American MLRS. This was stated by the Ambassador of Ukraine to the United States Oksana Markarova.

Kyiv outlined its new "Wishlist" to Washington by handing over a new list to the US military. In principle, there is nothing new there, Ukraine still asks for the supply of artillery, ammunition for it, as well as shells for the HIMARS MLRS. Kyiv is no longer asking for the complexes themselves, earlier in the Pentagon they said that they had delivered "a sufficient number" of MLRS to Ukraine.



I was surprised by the request to supply howitzers of a different type, "different from those already supplied" M777, apparently the "three axes" turned out to be really not suitable for intense hostilities. According to Ukrainian sources, the guns seem to be good, but too capricious. It is possible that the United States will delve into its arsenals and find something else old that it was a pity to throw away, but for Ukraine it will be just right.

In addition to howitzers, Kyiv really needs shells for HIMARS, but more. As the Ukrainian ambassador explained, Kyiv has already received a large amount of ammunition, but more long-range missiles are needed.

Not because we need to bombard Russian territory, but simply because we need to reach any point on our territory

- she said.

Earlier, the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Reznikov, announced the delivery of an additional batch of M270 MLRS MLRS from the UK. According to reports, the British delivered three more multiple rocket launchers.
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  1. +17
    12 August 2022 15: 57
    What, disappointed in American feces. They used to shout bouncing that American is the best.
    1. +18
      12 August 2022 16: 04
      Kyiv asked the United States to supply some other howitzers, but not these.

      Ltd! And the United States will run from Ukraine on parcels! )))
      1. +4
        12 August 2022 16: 07
        The construction of a factory for the production of Turkish Bayraktar unmanned aerial vehicles has begun in Ukraine, said Haluk Bayraktar, CEO of Baykar Makina, according to the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN.

        Now this is interesting, khe-khe ... a long-term construction plant at the stage of excavation laughing
        1. +6
          12 August 2022 16: 33
          The construction of a factory for the production of Turkish Bayraktar unmanned aerial vehicles has begun in Ukraine, said Haluk Bayraktar, CEO of Baykar Makina, according to the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN.

          Moreover, the pit is permanent in the form of such a large funnel from ruptures laughing erected the foundation and frame, bam and again the stage of the pit laughing
          1. +4
            13 August 2022 07: 56
            apparently "three axes" turned out to be really not suitable
            The news that the author decided to share his opinion.
          2. 0
            13 August 2022 16: 38
            Deceived equity holders
        2. 0
          13 August 2022 15: 54
          Ukrainians will build, and ours will deepen the foundation pit for them. You look, and sometime before the UWB about the Buryats, where the plant will finally be built))
      2. -25
        12 August 2022 17: 40
        Quote: Egoza
        Kyiv asked the United States to supply some other howitzers, but not these.

        Ltd! And the United States will run from Ukraine on parcels! )))

        I just looked, it’s a lie, a complete lie, and you rejoice at it like fools, well, it’s not the first time for you to slander, you were dipped in facts, so you will now start about ABVGD. you have no other reasons)))) Nothingness)))
        1. +5
          13 August 2022 05: 19
          Quote: Thunderbolt

          I just looked, it’s a lie, a complete lie, and you rejoice at it like fools, well, it’s not the first time for you to slander, you were dipped in facts, so you will now start about ABVGD. you have no other reason

          Horror. A set of words through which only with difficulty one can catch an idea. The probability of correct reading and understanding does not exceed 0,2. Where are you from, Gromoboy? What the hell is teaching like that? Is it really in Russia?
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 12: 20
            I corrected myself and made my point, sir hi )
            1. -1
              13 August 2022 15: 58
              What idea did you correct and state - Sir? ))
      3. 0
        12 August 2022 18: 41
        Quote: Egoza
        Kyiv asked the United States to supply some other howitzers, but not these.

        Ltd! And the United States will run from Ukraine on parcels! )))

        Unfortunately, it will be .. The goal of this massacre, as many victims as possible on both sides .. The nuclear power plant is already constantly bombed and everyone is silent, afraid of blathering out of horror .. But this terrible thing will be if they damage it, just a storage facility with nuclear waste ..
      4. +1
        13 August 2022 12: 07
        Elena hello! hiDon't trust the media! We'll hug you soon!
    2. +3
      12 August 2022 16: 07
      Port wine 777 "three axes" caused a severe hangover! My head was cracking at the seams...

      So the American product turned out to be indigestible Svidomo Viysk ... Whatever you call a yacht, so it will sink!
      Let them send Hennessy, Macallan or, at worst, Chivas Regal.

      Otherwise, the ukrovoiny do not agree. They are behind the whole geyropa ...
      1. +18
        12 August 2022 16: 11
        Port wine 777 "three axes" caused a severe hangover! My head was cracking at the seams...

        For the Soviet era, the drink was worthy even among the common people, not spoiled by the assortment, revered, one might say - natural and not burdensome from a material point of view. And the head ... well, everyone has different norms laughingNow it really is a poison that has nothing to do with the drink of Soviet times.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 17: 28
          The main thing before this coal drink is to drink three tablets.
          1. +5
            12 August 2022 17: 33
            What is on sale now - and a can of polysorb will not save
          2. 0
            13 August 2022 14: 26
            Two for 250 gave a good mood, although the wine was Derbent or Kizlyar.
    3. +4
      12 August 2022 16: 08
      Well, they are insolent and they also choose what I want, but this is not!))
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 16: 16
        Ukraine is a geyropa. Here, let them send something more to banderlogs from a sex shop.
      2. +9
        12 August 2022 16: 29
        Quote: Clever man
        Well, they are insolent and they also choose what I want, but this is not!))

        Like a bum throwing bread, asking for money for bread laughing
      3. +2
        12 August 2022 16: 44
        And why are they insolent then? Howling is not for Ukraine. The Pinds have done everything that is happening in Ukraine now, and now they are demanding it. The whole point is in this!
      4. 0
        13 August 2022 16: 01
        This is called not insolent. This is called - freeloaders and beggars freebies.
    4. +4
      12 August 2022 16: 12
      Quote: Borik
      What, disappointed in American feces. They used to shout bouncing that American is the best.

      Ended love for "pport wine"? And the striped-eared ones especially don’t have another. The Germans will not be born soon, and their art for intense fire is not particularly sharpened ... The French are also not eager for something. Shells for "Chimera" actively knock down air defense. Hence, their effectiveness decreases.
      So they are asking for more and more ... If only they could set fire to these "Chimeras", arrange a hunt in all territories.
      1. +8
        12 August 2022 17: 00
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Ended love for "pport wine"? And the striped-eared ones don’t have much else.

        There are - classic M198. They, of course, are simpler than the "three axes", but they also weigh more than 7 tons.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 17: 10
          With their quirks, they will soon not be given the M114, otherwise they all have a grenade of the wrong system, you understand ...
        2. D16
          +2
          12 August 2022 18: 03
          Yes - classic M198

          They wanted to earn extra money by selling "axes" to new customers, such as "weapon of victory", how it turned out lol .
        3. 0
          12 August 2022 20: 02
          There are classic M198

          It won’t work, the level of counter-battery is such that conventional (non-self-propelled) guns have extremely small chances of survival, not to mention the completion of a combat mission.
          1. +1
            13 August 2022 16: 54
            Quote: strannik1985
            It won’t work, the level of counter-battery is such that conventional (non-self-propelled) guns have extremely small chances of survival, not to mention the completion of a combat mission.

            And who cares about the survival of native calculations? Well, this is such a chance - to free warehouses from obsolete weapons without paying for recycling on their territory.
          2. -1
            16 August 2022 10: 39
            Yes, what are you saying? )) How long have you been at the front? I assure you, the cannon artillery both worked and works on both sides. These are Msta-B, and D-30 and various mortars. Yes, there are self-propelled Peonies, Tulips, but no one canceled Mstu-B. I can tell you where to look. This is not a military secret. The answer regularly arrives there, but mostly it gets a little wrong, into the houses in the village: the scatter is large. Tell?
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 16: 22
              This is not me saying, but someone Denis Sharapov (Deputy Minister of Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) told the media back in June. If he lied even worse, because it means failure for non-combat reasons.
    5. +3
      12 August 2022 20: 22
      please supply howitzers of a different type, "different from those already delivered" M777

      They became picky.
      They also abandoned the 1939 howitzers from Portugal.

    6. 0
      14 August 2022 13: 59
      I, too, did not really like port wine "three sevens". laughing
  2. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 02
    All my life with an outstretched hand, so they will die with the word "give" on their lips.
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 16: 12
      They leave our world with cries of "give me back, even hundreds of kilometers from home! Give this word to them in their lexicon, the word of yesterday! Now give it back, return it, come on, even if we are talking about someone else's property, or get out, about the same They demand it!!!Looks like they made canyons in the USA, and now they are delivering military equipment, such as an unpaid payment for those very canyons created millions of years ago by "ancient Ukrainians" .... lol
  3. 0
    12 August 2022 16: 05
    Not because we need to bombard Russian territory, but simply because we need to

    ***
    - And what if it was ...
    ***
  4. +4
    12 August 2022 16: 07
    Capricious as m16 and they need howitzers like Kalash, one idol has already fallen, after some time the Himars will find fault. And in general, something is always wrong with a flat dancer. When everything is over, they will naturally blame the West for their defeat, but who else is to blame?
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 17: 12
      one idol has already fallen, after some time the khimars will find fault.
      One, you say? To enumerate fallen idols, a separate article is needed, and it will not begin with bayraktar. In general, their throwing and begging are simply ridiculous and disgusting, because there is only one miracle weapon in the world. And Suvorov also defined him - Russian miracle heroes.
    2. +2
      12 August 2022 17: 22
      There is such a) Long Volume m59, True, a serious infection) but in Vietnam it seemed to be normal, it’s good for Horses, their levelwink
      1. +1
        13 August 2022 11: 03
        Grandma Hyacinth? wink
  5. +7
    12 August 2022 16: 09
    Send whims, I'll take it, I won't take it, the guns are bad, the cars get stuck. Wait a minute, the OWNER will bark and everything will be in color and in a herringbone.
    1. +6
      12 August 2022 16: 32
      That's not a whim. It turned out that a rake also goes to the ax

      And the owner did not mention them (rakes) smile
      Now they demand an ax without a rake.
      1. +7
        12 August 2022 16: 47
        Good caricature.
        Here is another one about the rake. EMNIP, another year of 2014. I must say right away that it does not at all apply to normal residents of Ukraine. To Svidomo - yes.

        1. +3
          12 August 2022 17: 26
          Light option. If it were as above, then the CBO would not be needed.

          And with stars around it is symbolic smile Inspired by a real case.
          A long time ago, with two bosses, I wandered around Vienna. We pass by a solid building, near the massive door is a report card with 12 stars. Apparently, some kind of EU office. And suddenly one of mine says to the other:
          - Petre, look, a twelve-star hotel! And in our country there are only five-star, and then two.
          1. +6
            12 August 2022 19: 10
            - Petre, look, a twelve-star hotel! And in our country there are only five-star, and then two.

            It's a pity this way of thinking. Idiots are the same everywhere, in Russia, in Ukraine. It is international, regardless of the country.
            If it were as above, then the CBO would not be needed.

            Here I have only one thought. If the Motherland got involved in this, one must be with one's Motherland. Fortunately, I do not have foreign accounts, and Western Central Europe is not very interesting for me as a travel (apparently, "not grown up" - and also thank God). bully It is much more pleasant to visit the small towns of the North-West of Russia by car. There are their own, relatives, treasures ... good
            I am with the Motherland! Work brothers! soldier
            1. +2
              12 August 2022 19: 22
              No, don't go, ots, people of the "old school", who have not seen Europe. Like a fancy motorcycle in the same Vienna, they stood and examined that still a fairy tale smile
              Walking around Europe is worth it, but not everywhere. Personally, it was interesting for me to look only at what I read about as a child. And that's it. And then you will be drawn into the atmosphere and understand that everywhere is the same, and in some places even more dreary than at home.
              It is a pity that we did not manage to go to Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer. In winter, they planned, until February 24th. But that doesn't matter.
              1. +2
                12 August 2022 21: 09
                It is a pity that we did not manage to go to Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer. In winter, they planned, until February 24th. But that doesn't matter.

                You still have time! I don't know Moscow well, I live in Petersburg myself. But our Peter is good! I recommend! drinks
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 10: 59
                  Quote: Pan Kohanku
                  It is a pity that we did not manage to go to Moscow and St. Petersburg this summer. In winter, they planned, until February 24th. But that doesn't matter.

                  You still have time! I don't know Moscow well, I live in Petersburg myself. But our Peter is good! I recommend! drinks

                  Oh Peter...
                  My love.
                  My wife wanted to celebrate her birthday there, but it didn't work out. Flights to Russia have been cancelled. How many times have I been to this majestic city, and I still want to come again.
  6. +5
    12 August 2022 16: 09

    In addition to howitzers, Kyiv really needs shells for HIMARS, but more. As the Ukrainian ambassador explained, Kyiv has already received a large amount of ammunition, but more long-range missiles are needed.

    Not because we need to bombard Russian territory, but simply because we need to reach any point on our territory
    . InterEsny passage??? Does this mean they want to destroy throughout the territory, which they will lose as a result of hostilities?
    In principle, there is nothing unexpected in that, after them at least a flood, at least a scorched field!
    I am not as aggressive as many here, but such wishes of the Kukuev leaders must be suppressed, TOGETHER WITH THEM. radically and permanently.
    1. +12
      12 August 2022 16: 19
      Recently, I have more and more respect for Bezrukov. He didn’t whine, he didn’t whine (like some pederasts), and he reads Pushkin’s poems well.

      1. +5
        12 August 2022 16: 28
        It has long been possible to understand who is who ... now it has all escalated to the extreme, to the limit!
        To decide, to take measures, to separate the lamb of God from ko/Z/li/Sch/, we must all do this together!!! Society and the state, in a single bundle!
        1. +5
          12 August 2022 16: 30
          To decide, to take measures, to separate the lamb of God from ko/Z/li/Sch/, we must all do this together!!! Society and the state, in a single bundle!

          Absolutely to the point. hi
      2. +6
        12 August 2022 16: 34
        Just wondering how the Yankees "chased" their 777s at the training grounds?
        Hard or with "Indian dances"?
        1. +5
          12 August 2022 16: 41
          Ha, sometimes/not infrequently, the instructions are written from test results...
          There are instructions, do not break! Broke, broke everything, your problems ... pay for your stupidity!
          1. +5
            12 August 2022 17: 15
            The passport for a microwave oven does not indicate that live cats cannot be dried in it ... hi
            1. +5
              12 August 2022 17: 36
              So boil an egg in it ... without consequences it will not work.
              1. +6
                12 August 2022 17: 48
                good
                So probably with Yankovsky howitzers - not all "nuances" are described in the passports for a technical product!
                1. +2
                  12 August 2022 18: 50
                  So if you follow the instructions and regulations, it seems to work ...
                  Look, German self-propelled guns, with the same problems !!! They were given to the wrong hands.
                  Although, with German tanks, the same story, they ate to remember how the Kurds burned them.
                  1. +2
                    12 August 2022 18: 57
                    Do you think this is similar to the attempts of Soviet tankers to use "Tigers" with "Panthers"?
                    Spare part "0", the regulations are not clear how to carry out and with what.
                    There are no oils needed. Air-conditioned shells "the cat cried."
                    And in general, "Ivans" like to be dirty and always dig into their "tin buckets"!
                    But with "Zapodlya" technology, this is not possible.
                    She is gentle like a Japanese geisha...
                    He touched it with a dirty finger and "sakura petals flew around" ...
                    1. +2
                      12 August 2022 19: 14
                      Quote: hohol95
                      But with "Zapodlya" technology, this is not possible.
                      She is gentle like a Japanese geisha...
                      He touched it with a dirty finger and "sakura petals flew around" ...

                      Aw, damn it!!! Beautifully written, Alex! hi
                      1. +1
                        12 August 2022 19: 45
                        Baryatinsky in books about tanks "identifies" Soviet and British tankers! They, more than the Yankees, had to "poking around" in tanks of "native" production and thinking about repairing tanks from other countries!
                    2. +2
                      12 August 2022 19: 19
                      During intense hostilities, there is no time for politeness, white gloves and other things!
                      More effective is often what can be repaired with a sledgehammer with the help of that very ... mother.
                      1. +1
                        12 August 2022 19: 42
                        And the Russians repaired the hatch on their starship with a sledgehammer and "so-and-so / mother"!
                      2. +2
                        12 August 2022 21: 26
                        Most importantly, FIXED!
                      3. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 32
                        The MOST IMPORTANT - fixed it!
                        How could a misfortune like "Alien" happen to Soviet cosmonauts?
                        NO!
                        The victim would have swallowed alcohol 96% and any "enemy" imbrion would have "thrown back their flippers"!
                        And the Soviet "Sulaco" would fly to the planet of the USSR!
                        Loaded with strategic raw materials...
      3. +4
        12 August 2022 18: 15
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        . I didn’t whine, I didn’t shrist (

        Should he whine? Should he "snap"? As you, my friend put it. laughing

        Nikol! Do you remember his commercial for amendments to the Constitution? The fee of your "hero" was 5 million rubles. Bank advertising? Do you think less? But I think more. that Pushkin reads well? Well ... People's Artist of Russia! Garmash was also once ... an actor. Sorry, but? Not a reason for respect. hi
        Directly and frankly.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 18: 56
          And Sidikhin was an actor...
          Not noticed in advertisements, But a lot was filmed in "vile" films ...
          1. +3
            12 August 2022 19: 09
            Quote: hohol95
            filmed a lot...

            Example?
            And Vasily Merkuriev was an actor. What didn’t stop him from supporting the family of his shot brother in the 39th. He, this greatest man, helped people all his life. And this one?” Pushkin reads well. ?
            1. +4
              12 August 2022 19: 14
              But in the "vile" films he shot a lot ...

              Alexey is right. "Brigade" did not watch, and there is no such desire. And, I think, it was not worth romanticizing crime ... as it should be, and banning thieves on the radio ...
              And Vasily Merkuriev was an actor.

              Greatest! I will support! good
              How many grannies and grandfathers fell for his affectionate talk?

              I'm not a grandfather yet, but I think that his words (and Pushkin's words!) At the moment are fair and necessary.
              Sergey, dear "easy rider" rebel, do you want the Hamburg account? drinks
              1. +2
                12 August 2022 19: 18
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                , do you want the Hamburg bill?

                Come on! "Cards on the table, gentlemen! Cards on the table!" (c) hi
                1. +1
                  12 August 2022 21: 34
                  Come on! "Cards on the table, gentlemen! Cards on the table!" (c)

                  You are correct. When one part of the country is at war, and the other makes profits, this is wrong.
                  .Like a war, miles sorry, but the "girl from Azov" is being exchanged for some important Chechen

                  I am silent at all. Kvachkov has already spoken. Moreover, the one who was traded has already poured poop on us.
                  And it’s weak to make the life of the citizens of your country so that the neighbors envy, eh? So that they voluntarily strive for us, eh?

                  This is Switzerland. A happy country that no one touches after Napoleon. It must be crushed. Nobody just needs...

                  So yes. You are right about resentment, my dear Man, a true truth-teller-rebel. A lot is unfair, a lot.

                  But now it's different. Our guys are doing this special operation. They are dying. And after its announcement, we have no other choice but to be for them. Regardless of how the government behaves. Because the Motherland is not some dubious figures. this is our people.

                  So, I transferred money to Donbass today, I also transferred Onufrienko. Let's help already, a hundred rubles from no one will lose. We need to help us. Necessary!

                  Serge, do you have a different homeland, or a lot of money in foreign banks, like the "stars of the moronic channel TNT" that fled and pissed themselves in the corners? I don't have either.
                  "Here I was born - here I want to die." I didn't say it. Sovereign Pavel Petrovich said this. He was much more Russian, both by blood and by thinking, in comparison with his own descendants.
                  I have a Motherland. Whoever rules for her, I will be for HER... I want to die here.
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2022 22: 05
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    But now it's different. Our guys are doing this special operation. They are dying

                    Here I have no censorship words!
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    Serge, do you have a different homeland, or a lot of money in foreign banks, like the "stars of the moronic channel TNT" that fled and

                    What are you? Are you kidding me?
                    Yes, I, / an obscene word / have already got into debt !!! For? Prices !!!
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    comparison with their own descendants.
                    I have a Motherland. Whoever rules for her, I will be for HER... I want to die here.

                    I don’t have it, right? You tell Putin, Miller, the Rotenbergs, huh?;?;! And I don’t need to talk about the boys, huh?
                    1. +1
                      12 August 2022 22: 14
                      Yes, I, / an obscene word / have already got into debt !!! For? Prices !!!

                      Yes, prices. By the way, I did not raise mine. And in Moscow I'm afraid to even think about what's going on. One thing I can say - your salary is more than mine. But the prices are also higher.
                      It's you Putin, Miller, Rotenberg tell, but

                      There are Rotenbergs and Millers. There is a Motherland. The first ones come and go. Motherland .. and those guys who make victories for the Motherland die, win - remain. I'm for the guys.
                      All will pass. We will still come to just socialism.
                      1. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 32
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        We will still come to just socialism

                        Are you .... joking? Yes?
                      2. 0
                        12 August 2022 23: 40
                        Are you .... joking? Yes?

                        Trust me, a lot of people want this. Stupidly - justice. Without thieves, without old senile - members of the Politburo who survived from themselves, without excesses and voluntarism. Many want. We are Russians. Our main idea is justice.
              2. +3
                12 August 2022 19: 24
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                !) at the moment - are fair and necessary.

                Oh, oh, oh! from Azov" are exchanged for some important Chechen. Is this a "special operation"? Or? What is it? A lot of questions, a lot. One thing I know for sure. Heroes of Russia from the top ... there will be many. "hero of Russian hockey" - Rotenberg. Roma.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 21: 46
                  As well as the Heroes of Labor, such as Miller. And the "hero of Russian hockey" - Rotenberg. Roma.

                  You have not yet heard the songs of the former mayor of Shlisselburg, the owner of a bunch of awards. Yes, she sings... The cap is complete. By vocals. My ass makes the best sounds in the toilet when passing gases. In 2010, a Maybach was stolen from him, then quickly returned. He said that he had worked for this auto industry by singing a blatnyak-chanson. He was not yet 30, when he took over as mayor of the most depressive city in the Leningrad region ... and "Maybach" ... which was returned ... and singing "chanson" (found a name for shit) under a pseudonym "Dmitry Yurich" And you listen, if you suddenly get constipated, you will definitely get drunk from the vocals of the "politician". However, medal bearer. Now in the Senate, as Nikolai Palych bequeathed - fuse all clinical idiots to the senate... By the way, what about Senator Arashukov, who does not speak Russian, is overgrown? Yes, and with his daddy?
                  As well as the Heroes of Labor, such as Miller. And the "hero of Russian hockey" - Rotenberg. Roma.

                  You still remember the extremely plump son of the former Prosecutor General ... He has sports awards, and by no means for winning the sumo championship ...

                  I'll tell you again. Regardless of the shit that entrenched in power - we need to cheer for our guys, what the NWO are doing. And nothing else. Shit comes and goes, and even plant each other. And real PEOPLE - remain. They do all the work.

                  The world is us. If normal people learn to talk among themselves, then everything will be fine.
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2022 22: 10
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    The world is us. If a

                    And oil! And gas! Yes, damn it, remember what I wrote on February 24, huh???? Well, this is not our war !!!! Damn, "special operation"! Putin is our everything !!!! Glory to him ,glory!!!! bully
                    1. 0
                      12 August 2022 22: 18
                      Well, this is not our war !!!! Damn, "special operation"! Putin is our everything !!!! Glory to him, glory !!!!

                      While some "repent" and turn on Akhedzhakovism, Ukrainian freaks castrate our prisoners. Just don't talk about it yet. They have no "moral choice" - they are arrogant, stupid, farm stubborn. Draw your own conclusions.
                  2. 0
                    12 August 2022 22: 12
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    The world is us

                    So don’t shit on Shevchuk, huh? He sang his funeral in Chechnya.
                    And "Kursk" did not forget; Unlike this yours ....
                    1. +2
                      12 August 2022 22: 16
                      So don’t shit on Shevchuk, huh?

                      Sorry. But for me - rotten. No offense!
                      1. -1
                        12 August 2022 22: 19
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Sorry. But for me - rotten. No offense

                        Rotten? Yes, this government is current, fucked up, rotten.
                      2. +2
                        12 August 2022 22: 22
                        Rotten? Yes, this government is current, fucked up, rotten.

                        Name me at least one person who has not climbed over the heads to the top of power!
                        Power does not change. She is the same. And hundreds of corpses cover it.

                        I am not for power. I am for Russia. I am for the Motherland. I am for our guys. And let them unwind Svidomo to the state of pig manure. May they return alive, healthy, and with victory! soldier
                      3. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 36
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        heads!
                        Power does not change. She is the same. And hundreds of corpses cover it.

                        No shit! There is such a "politician", like you are an aggressor, but there is ... they attacked you. Well?
                      4. +1
                        12 August 2022 23: 45
                        like you are an aggressor, but there is ... they attacked you. Well?

                        Yeah, they would have waited six months, and the dill would have occupied the Donbass. Fortunately, they were provided with swag for three wars by "Western friends" - it would be enough for a "jerk". And all the same, you and I would have been called unprintable words, "aggressors", and imposed long-prepared sanctions.
                        Don't freak out. We would still be in shit. But now our cause is right.
                        you are the aggressor

                        I wonder you. You doubt. The West and the ukropederasts have no doubts. Yes - you, such a doubter, if they win ... will not be spared ...
                        So think for yourself. You are a big boy.
                      5. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 20
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        rotten

                        Kohl! Did you hear "Kolesnikov" him, eh?
                      6. +1
                        12 August 2022 22: 23
                        Kohl! Did you hear "Kolesnikov" him, eh?

                        In general, I don’t know who this is, Sergey. belay
                        When are you on vacation? When in St. Petersburg with his wife? drinks
                      7. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 39
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Not at all aware

                        C'mon???? !
                      8. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 46
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Don't really know who it is

                        "will the commission tell you how hard it is to die ..."
                      9. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 48
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Peter

                        I am sending you, ignorant friend, who is Yuri Shevchuk!
                      10. +1
                        12 August 2022 23: 47
                        I am sending you, ignorant friend, who is Yuri Shevchuk!

                        From his last shit-short, I already knew who he was. The same cunning shit as nabootov. He does not say anything directly, only in half hints - that is, and coward smelly in addition. Which will work very well under any power ....

                        I don’t even want to talk about Grebenshchikov. He died for me in 2014 - when he purposefully went to the countryside and shook hands with the cheap killer Saakashvili on camera. All. Let him die, degenerate. Glass earth.
                      11. 0
                        13 August 2022 05: 45
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        his last shit-short, I already knew who he was. The same cunning shit as nabootov. He doesn't say anything directly, only in semi-hints - that is, and a stinking coward in addition. Which will work very well under any government ..

                        No words! I'm ashamed. For you. Friend.
                      12. +1
                        13 August 2022 19: 00
                        Fuck you Peter city
                        .did.
                      13. 0
                        13 August 2022 20: 23
                        Fuck you Peter city
                        .did.

                        Do not mind it. Sorry if I blurted something out. Everything will be fine! drinks
                      14. 0
                        15 August 2022 18: 27
                        Quote: Phil77
                        you

                        Kohl, I'm sorry, but after the words about Shevchuk ...
              3. 0
                12 August 2022 21: 03
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                I didn’t watch the brigade, and I don’t have such a desire. And, I think, it was not worth romanticizing crime ... as it should be, and banning thieves on the radio ...

                Come on!" "The Godfather"? Fuck it! """Once Upon a Time in America"? Fuck it! !! Is this where we will live? No? Is it weak to make the life of the citizens of your country so that the neighbors envy, eh? So that they voluntarily strive for us, eh? - Russian! According to the laws, and not according to Putin, eh? So that they have a desire to come ??? Make it so that they envy us !!! Then there will be no need to fight, they will come themselves.
            2. +3
              12 August 2022 19: 27
              I do not call for making "IDOLS" out of Bezrukov or Khabensky!
              But it’s worth remembering how many “stars licked in the ass” of cinema and pop have been put like pigeons on the heads of ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation!
              How many disgusting films were made with the participation of Sidikhin, Guskov and other more or less well-known "Lits dealers"!
              Watch the movie "HOLIDAY" or "Wolf"!
              On the count of those who gave money ha these "guanooooo"!
              1. +2
                12 August 2022 19: 38
                Quote: hohol95
                On the count of those who gave money ha these "guanooooo"!

                My friend Alexei! Hence the question! And who gave money for this? And who put them in a position that allows them to give money for "this"? and not love. But if you starred in an advertisement for a bank? Be prepared .... for not love. Purely my opinion.
                1. +2
                  12 August 2022 19: 58
                  So many have long disliked the Shaggy Plague, but they still filmed it and gave roles in theaters ...
                  As one actress who left for Khratsusia after the collapse of the USSR said - God forbid you blurt out a joke about the "sex majority" - you won’t wait for roles! ”And this is about the 90s of the 20th CENTURY!
                  And now... let's talk about the Black Transgender Fairy in the Disney movie...
                  And you are waiting for "trisychuha" and "gastration" !!!
                  Everywhere... hi
                  1. +1
                    12 August 2022 20: 27
                    Quote: hohol95
                    Disney...
                    And you are waiting for "trisychuha" and "gastration" !!!
                    Everywhere...

                    Yes, damn it, but the world has gone crazy! So? That's exactly why I listen to Yura Shevchuk with great pleasure! And not the one who answered with a devilish grin: "She drowned." Remember? climbed. Believe? Him? And we are talking about actors ....
                    1. +1
                      12 August 2022 20: 34
                      And Shevchuk is not a "muddy type"?
                      I don't listen to music at all!
                      When the USSR was "brought down" everyone sang about "CHANGES"
                      BUT not everyone made it...
                      And suddenly there are "changes" again - how do the Peuci react?
                      Very strange...
                      50 or more Percents were from the Outskirts.
                      But without work permits...
                      But with connections to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation ...
                      1. 0
                        12 August 2022 20: 43
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And Shevchuk is not a "muddy type"?

                        Not muddy Truthful.
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And suddenly there are "changes" again - how do the Peuci react?

                        It was. And who did not expect changes?
                        Quote: hohol95
                        50 or more Percents were from the Outskirts.

                        I can’t answer. I just didn’t understand.
                      2. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 07
                        50% or so of the "nachtigals" on the Russian stage were from Ukraine!
                        And after February 24, 2022, all the "Ukrainian nightingales" scattered throughout the SE (Council of Europe)!
                      3. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 15
                        Quote: hohol95
                        50% or so of the "nachtigals" on the Russian stage were from Ukraine!
                        And after February 24, 2022, all the "Ukrainian nightingales" scattered throughout the SE (Council of Europe)!

                        Yes, to hell with them, the right word. But? Do you see your own? Why is Ernst still in charge? Channel One !!!! In kind!
                      4. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 18
                        It's not a question by chance - "Is it weak to" eliminate "Ernst?"
                        Weak!!!
                        And why is the head of the Air Force not eliminated in the WB?
                        Arranges?
                        Not a simple electrician this QUESTION!
                        And to those who stand OVER Ernst ...
                      5. 0
                        12 August 2022 21: 23
                        Quote: hohol95
                        OVER Ernst

                        Hence the conclusion.
                        We won't be able to do shit. I mean, "Special Operations."
                      6. +2
                        12 August 2022 21: 44
                        Then you need to collect belongings and move to the Gobi!
                        The main thing is not to forget warm things!
                        You are aware that Mikhail Borisovich Shein, the hero of the defense of Smolensk, was executed in 1634 for "Treason"!
                        And in the full-length cartoon, he was voiced by Bezrukov!
                        And portrayed him as the true defender of Russia!
                      7. +2
                        12 August 2022 22: 23
                        Quote: hohol95
                        move to the Gobi!

                        Why go to the Gobi? I want to go to New Zealand. I want to go to Muromtsevo, Vladimir province.
                      8. +1
                        12 August 2022 22: 36
                        Ha ha ha
                        Through the filtration camp!
                        Russia has enough of its own deserts and steppes!
                        Especially near the North Pole am am am
                      9. +1
                        13 August 2022 06: 59
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Ha ha ha
                        Through the filtration camp!

                        For what? For honestly serving, working, paying TAXES? For what, my friend? Wouldn't this government go there, huh?
                      10. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 37
                        "They will kill you...
                        pike...."
                        am am am
                      11. +2
                        12 August 2022 22: 28
                        We won't be able to do shit. I mean, "Special Operations."

                        Everything will work out. Stop it.
                        We have no choice.
                      12. +1
                        13 August 2022 07: 01
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        We have no choice.

                        Now, yes. Thank you.! Feel better?
                      13. +1
                        13 August 2022 13: 46
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Everything will work out. Stop it.
                        We have no choice

                        "Will the commission tell how difficult it is to die ...." (Yura)
                        And you will argue, huh? Brother?
              2. 0
                12 August 2022 20: 32
                Quote: hohol95
                On the count of those who gave money ha these "guanooooo"!

                On the stake? It will be difficult.
                1. +1
                  12 August 2022 20: 39
                  And "ZhelEznu Babu" mono resurrect, Burn and bury the ashes ...?
                  1. +1
                    12 August 2022 20: 44
                    Quote: hohol95
                    And "ZhelEznu Babu" mono resurrect, Burn and bury the ashes ...?

                    Alexey! I didn’t understand.
                    1. +2
                      12 August 2022 21: 08
                      Marguerite Thatcher!
                      She was the "Iron Baba" of British politics!
                      1. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 16
                        Quote: hohol95
                        British politics

                        The miners there cursed her. Forever.
                      2. +1
                        12 August 2022 21: 24
                        Cursed...
                        And "her scrap metal" was melted down?
                        Weak British!
                        Etonians are with Latvians and Latvians "curly".
                        Just like the Poles!
                        All Soviet monuments decided to demolish and destroy ...
                        Psya Krev...
                      3. -1
                        12 August 2022 21: 48
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Psya Krev...

                        You know, Aleksey. We won’t win. Why? No idea, one. No leader, two. No consolidation of the nation, three. So? Westerners. "Second! We, willingly or not, opposed the whole country against ourselves. Their sovereign country. An example? Our website. If Putin were a real chess player? What would he wait for? An opponent's step! And? We would not be a country - an aggressor, but a country that responded to aggression! You see, yes? A shitty player. Or?
                        It's a pity for the boys. Ours. However? Many of these points are Slavic.
                      4. 0
                        12 August 2022 22: 16
                        So? Idea? website.
                        Let me ask - "Did you work with the citizens of Ukraine in the 90s of the 20th century or the 2s of the XNUMXnd century?"
                        I worked.
                        Few, but worked.
                        The older ones made a Russian passport, but the younger ones left the passport of "Nezalezhalaya"!
                        Don't be drafted into the army!!!
                        In Ukraine, the evaders were joking, and in the Russian Federation they sat out from both armies!
                        What kind of "player" would the GDP be, but HE is clearly better than EBN!
                        And for the good of the cause, you need to look at the film "Ermak"!
                        The Stroganovs "stranged" under the "Grozny" clearly no less than the current "boys and girls at the koimushka"!
                        And a personal question - where do you go fishing?
                        No licenses...
                      5. +1
                        12 August 2022 22: 42
                        Quote: Phil77
                        What would he have waited for? An opponent's step! And? We would not be an aggressor country, but a country that responded to aggression!

                        Come on! And the “rival” was going to attack Russia, or do you still remember that the Donbass? And this is not Russia. Would have been an aggressor all the same, plus with hundreds of thousands of dead civilians in the LNR and DNR.
                      6. 0
                        13 August 2022 13: 52
                        Quote: sheet
                        Come on! And the “rival” was going to attack Russia, or do you still remember that the Donbass? And this is not Russia

                        Once again. Read my post. We !!! We would not become an aggressor country
                      7. +2
                        13 August 2022 18: 37
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Read my post. We!!! Would not become an aggressor country

                        And you read mine again. We!!! Would you have become an aggressor anyway (I repeat Donbass, Ukraine considers it its territory, the attack was planned NOT on Russia, but on Donbass) and you would now blame Putin with the same enthusiasm for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the LPR and DPR.
                      8. 0
                        15 August 2022 19: 16
                        Quote: sheet
                        Would have become the aggressor anyway (I repeat

                        Oh yes! They waited for eight whole years!
                      9. -1
                        13 August 2022 21: 58
                        You jumped crazy, remember Georgia, the Georgians from August 8 to 10 destroyed the Ossetians and our peacekeepers in the territory of South Ossetia and President Medvedev gave the order to force the Georgians to peace only on August 10, after the murder of all our peacekeepers and still the whole West howled that we attacked on Georgia, and this despite the fact that we had the opportunity to capture the whole of Georgia with one throw, since the Georgians no longer had an army - everyone fled. But if in 2014, after the Ilovaisky and Debaltsevo boilers, troops were immediately sent in and the government changed in Ukraine, everything would have been smooth and there would not have been such blood as it is now, but someone decided to negotiate with those who never fulfilled these agreements, everyone was waiting and endured, and now in the role endured. If we ourselves cannot understand, then we need to pay attention to the comrades from Israel, they are constantly in a state of war, we are now also and will now be in that state for a very long time, we were surrounded as Jews, they are at war with us, so we need to carry out a total mobilization, reconsider majors with white tickets and everyone to study and to the reserve, put up an iron dome and an iron curtain, ask all bourgeois about their affairs, otherwise they are inviolable with us, we need to do a lot to make the country and people become one, otherwise we have people like plywood quarreled after the rain ...
                      10. 0
                        15 August 2022 19: 12
                        Quote: restless
                        jumped crazy, remember Georgia

                        Do you see the difference, huh? We attacked! We! Georgia? Answer. Afghanistan? Controversial. Until now. Chechnya? Oil. Any other questions?
                        And? Who will replenish the Russian gene pool? These "rulers of Russia"?
                      11. -1
                        17 August 2022 13: 47
                        "You jumped crazy, remember Georgia, the Georgians from August 8 to 10 destroyed the Ossetians and our peacekeepers in the territory of South Ossetia, and President Medvedev gave the order to force the Georgians to peace only on August 10, after the murder of all our peacekeepers"

                        What are you talking about, starball provocateur?!

                        "On August 8 (at 14:59), Russia officially joined the conflict on the side of South Ossetia as part of an operation to force the Georgian side to peace".

                        At the same time already: "On the morning of August 8, Russian aircraft began bombing targets in Georgia.

                        "According to the former Russian military representative to the UN, Lieutenant General Nikolai Uvarov, who during the war was the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, the first Russian combat unit (1st battalion of the 135th regiment) passed through the Roki tunnel at 14:30. According to Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulev, who commanded the 58th Army during the war, the first Russian battalion tactical group passed the Roki Tunnel much earlier - at 1 hour 40 minutes on the night of August 8".

                        "On August 9, the transfer of troops from Russian territory to South Ossetia and the creation of a strike force continued. In the morning, Assistant Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces I. Konashenkov said that units and subunits of the 58th Army, having arrived on the outskirts of Tskhinvali, "began preparing an operation to enforce peace in the zone of responsibility of peacekeepers".

                        All quotes from Pedivikia are from the corresponding article.

                        About the losses of peacekeepers (with the regular strength of the Russian peacekeeping battalion in South Ossetia at 583 people) according to the battalion commander: "In total, in those days, the battalion lost 15 soldiers killed. 49 were injured".

                        All this is easily searched for in a minute of working with a search engine. But for some reason you need to frankly lie about those events. Isn't it counting on the fact that those who are younger and, due to their infancy, do not remember / did not catch those events, will not climb to check your lies?

                        And about the introduction of troops in 2014, Russia was completely different then (as, by the way, the United States with Yavropka). We then had a completely different economy and army. Yes, the international situation was quite different then. Yes, in a couple of weeks our economy of that time developed even from a quarter of the sanctions that it now fully withstands.

                        Everything and always has its time. Victory must be long and carefully prepared. Just as in 1941 it was time to retreat, urgently transfer the economy to a war footing and accumulate forces, so in 1943-1945 it was time to advance, using the accumulated forces, and first liberate our land, and then all of Europe.
                      12. -1
                        17 August 2022 16: 27
                        You yourself are a provocateur, our economy is now weaker than in 2014, our troops were already there and our troops organized boilers, you yourself will not know what, read Wikipedia and cover the whole world with Western facts, and I have direct sources that are directly in participated in all of this. And our army has not changed in 2008, and has not replenished, only equipment and computers appeared in the General Staff, as in the MCC, but they never learned how to manage, without pilots there was, and still is not, Art is still from the USSR, satellites are nothing do not see. Of course, you are a wise guy, but why have we been marking time for the 6th month and why are Donbass being shelled, why bridges, roads and railways have not been destroyed and weapons and ammunition are being supplied through them, why we are supplying energy resources to enemies, too much why. You are a leavened patriot, now you will find something else from Wikipedia that is correct and again you will point the empty couch liberator of Europe at me ...
                2. 0
                  13 August 2022 13: 48
                  Quote: Phil77
                  will

                  Don't trust him people!!!
                  For? Satan!
              3. 0
                12 August 2022 23: 01
                Quote: hohol95
                Volchek!
                On the count of those who gave money ha these "guanooooo"!

                "God!!! Don't let them roll up their sleeves again...."
                Yuri Shevchuk.
          2. +1
            12 August 2022 19: 12
            Quote: hohol95
            lot...

            Alexei! Do you understand?" He is neither a friend nor an enemy, but so ... "(c)
            And respect him?
            1. +2
              12 August 2022 19: 32
              Actors - now they sell face and body!
              Previously, they invested more emotions and psychological experiences!
              It used to be "And it's all about him", and now ""...
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 20: 38
                Quote: hohol95
                and now "

                But by and large? It's scary. It's very scary to live today.
                1. +1
                  12 August 2022 21: 02
                  And now the movie "DURAK"!
                  A modern sequel to The Fountain...
                  Moderation "cuts" the kiiilicheskoe name of the film!
                  1. +1
                    12 August 2022 21: 19
                    Quote: hohol95
                    the film

                    Oh, how we miss Lyudmila Yakovlevna! What a head!
                  2. +2
                    12 August 2022 21: 20
                    Quote: hohol95
                    kyiilic

                    Kind of real?
                    1. +1
                      12 August 2022 21: 25
                      The present.
                      Cyrillic!
              2. -1
                12 August 2022 21: 51
                Quote: hohol95
                It used to be "And it's all about him", and now ""...

                I am disgusted with all this power and? Its servants.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 22: 23
                  Watch the post-Soviet film "Fountain" and the "modern Russian" "DURAK"!
                  I think you remember the meaning of "three puffs per glass"!
                  I live in the Russian Federation and wanted to check out such films and those who paid for them!
              3. +1
                15 August 2022 19: 21
                Quote: hohol95
                Actors - now

                Actors are people. But there are also people among the actors! Bezrukov? No. Actor.
    2. 0
      12 August 2022 20: 05
      Quote: rocket757
      InterEsny passage??? Does this mean they want to destroy throughout the territory, which they will lose as a result of hostilities?

      Some strange claim. "Good" to the territory of the Russian Federation (within the borders of 2013) they have not yet been given. But even beyond these borders, the depth of the rear of the RF Armed Forces is in some places 300+ km. Even the nearest settlements to the front - starting with Donetsk - will not be wiped off the face of the earth. This will not be enough of the materiel that is available in the short term. But point targets in bulk.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 21: 34
        Unfortunately, even after the liberation of Donbass, we will not have much fewer problems.
        The foreigners already gave the go-ahead to the Nazis from Saloreich, for any lawlessness, if / when they start to give them weapons of increased range and destructive power, they start to give air defense systems, in order to somehow cover all this, it will be necessary to wet the Kukuevskys specifically and completely ... otherwise completely crazy Natsiks will do things, then you won’t be raked.
  7. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 16
    Yes Yes Yes. Grenades of the wrong system ...
  8. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 16
    The buyers of Voentorg began to exchange glances and grumble at the American counter, whoever is smarter - handed it back ...
  9. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 41
    Truly, beggars. Has everything that got from the USSR ended? They sold it and went around the world with an outstretched hand. Professional beggars. They also show off. We don’t need this, give us something else! and what they gave, go with it.
  10. +3
    12 August 2022 16: 46
    I can’t understand whether the Americans are so stupid or in fact they are, the Ukrainians breed them to the fullest, because it’s clear that this state will not give anything in return, I really want our friends in the past, strip them naked, set the table and invite all your friends.
  11. +2
    12 August 2022 17: 02
    The 155-mm M777 howitzers supplied by the Americans to Ukraine do not meet the requirements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv asked the United States to supply some other howitzers, but not these. Also, Ukraine is in great need of ammunition for the American MLRS.

    Crocodiles © in your repertoire - give more and for free. smile
    And then I called
    Crocodile
    And with tears he asked:
    "My dear, good,
    Send me galoshes,
    And me, and my wife, and Totosha.

    "Wait, are not you
    Last week
    I sent two couples
    Excellent galoshes?
    - Ah, those that you sent
    Last week,
    We have already eaten a long time
    And we wait, we will not wait,
    When will you send again
    To our supper
    Dozen
    New and sweet galoshes!
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 19: 51
      In fact, they write for half a year that instead of three prodigies, it would be better to give weapons simpler, but bigger. In principle, the M114 will fit.
      1. 0
        13 August 2022 17: 03
        Quote: Negro
        In principle, the M114 will fit.

        And are they still there? They were also removed from service after the Vietnam War and rolled over villages.
        You can, of course, require current users to transfer their M114 to Ukraine, but Taiwan will not give it up, Turkey, Pakistan and Iran - that's funny ©, in Myanmar there are eternal troubles, so they themselves need it. Unless South Korea and Brazil can give something.
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 18: 08
          Quote: Alexey RA
          this is funny

          And what's funny? The Turks and Koreans have hundreds of them, all in deep reserve. It is unlikely that anyone will buy them now, except for the price of scrap metal. Against the background of the D-20, the D-30 and even the M119 are quite an option.

          Although it would be easier, of course, to switch completely to a 39klb system. Only the same Koreans have 52klb in such quantity, but they are unlikely to subscribe to such a thing.
          1. 0
            13 August 2022 19: 05
            Quote: Negro
            And what's funny? The Turks and Koreans have hundreds of them, all in deep reserve.

            So I didn’t write anything about the UK. But the Turks ... the sultan will ask for such compensation for this rubbish that he will have to negotiate with him for six months.
            1. 0
              13 August 2022 19: 13
              Well, it depends on who will negotiate. Who, but Erdogan has not been noticed in special pacifism.

              Yes, by the way, even without Erdogan, there is also plenty of junk from the times of Soviet power on that side. It's a matter of political will, so to speak.
              1. 0
                13 August 2022 19: 26
                Quote: Negro
                Well, it depends on who will negotiate. Who, but Erdogan has not been noticed in special pacifism.

                Yes, I do not count on the pacifism and neutrality of Recep Pasha. Just on greed state thinking. For him, the money in the pocket of the party that came to the negotiations is already his own. smile
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 23: 42
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Yes, I do not count on the pacifism and neutrality of Recep Pasha.

                  It's foolish to count on something here. And how it goes - we'll see.

                  According to reports from the field, the problem now is not at all in the art itself, but in logistics. The former fraternal people also carefully preserved Soviet military traditions ..
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2022 12: 48
                    Quote: Negro
                    The former fraternal people also carefully preserved Soviet military traditions ..

                    Well, Duc ... it was not in vain that the hero of the army jokes of the Soviet era was a xoxol ensign. The one that is the inverse neutron bomb - all the people are whole, and the property has disappeared. smile
                    1. +2
                      14 August 2022 13: 05
                      They write that there is not a problem with ensigns. Take the same Ukrainian fleet, which has 13 admiral posts.

                      It seemed that it was impossible to surpass the Russian Navy. But Ukraine did it. Caricature of caricature.
                      1. 0
                        14 August 2022 13: 33
                        Quote: Negro
                        They write that there is not a problem with ensigns. Take the same Ukrainian fleet, which has 13 admiral posts.

                        So habits have remained the same. smile
                        One repair of diesel-electric submarine U01 "Zaporizhzhya" was worth something. That corresponding to all TTT and fully paid batteries, in fact, turned out to be generally unsuitable. Then, after a fully completed, closed according to documents and paid for repair, performed by a Ukrainian plant, the submarine had to be dragged to the "13 SRZ Black Sea Fleet" of the RF Ministry of Defense, but after a racially correct Ukrainian repair, the boat could only dive once.
                      2. +2
                        14 August 2022 13: 41
                        Yes, the manner of putting a ship of the 70th year in repair for 10 years, and then writing it off for scrap is also quite recognizable. The Ukrainians, however, also departed on this galosh from the pier. Dementia and courage, so to speak.
  12. +2
    12 August 2022 17: 43
    And folk wisdom says that they don’t look a gift horse in the mouth ... But the bully impudence is going through the roof ...
  13. +3
    12 August 2022 17: 44
    In addition to howitzers, Kyiv really needs shells for HIMARS, but more.
    And then I remembered Marfushka from the fairy tale "Frost" ...
  14. +1
    12 August 2022 17: 45
    Kyiv asked the United States for the supply of some other howitzers, but not these ...
    ================================================== ==============
    Serve them with "mother-of-pearl buttons" ...
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 18: 34
      On the contrary, the most cast iron, which survives any road and does not lead to intense shooting.



      There are a lot of them in conservation in the desert, and I confess I am surprised that they were not delivered in the spring for quantity. Structurally (staff crew, tractor) this is the western analogue of the Msta-B.

      They will also probably ask for M109 - Acacias are almost completely all (the barrels have already run out) and there are very few shells 152. According to 22 Norwegian M109s, the reviews seem to be very positive and they are hardy, although not very fast-firing. Americans have 109/39 calibers in the Sierra Nevada sludge, many hundreds.
  15. D16
    +1
    12 August 2022 17: 58
    Amers have about 1300 reliable and heavy M198s that have been in service for 30 years. Why was it necessary to give the ukram a limiting structure in the form of three axes, there is a great secret. All the same, no one will carry it on airplanes. Earned anti-advertising and a bunch of hemorrhoids.
    1. -1
      12 August 2022 19: 48
      Quote: D16
      there are about 1300 reliable and heavy M198 amers,

      Mostly distributed in Brazil-Lebanons. But there are several hundred.
      Quote: D16
      Why was it necessary to give ukram

      So this is not given to Ukrainians, but to journalists. The more fashionable the better.

      According to M198, you need to look at what is with the trunks. If there are no problems with interchangeable barrels, you should take it by itself.
      1. D16
        0
        12 August 2022 20: 34
        and for journalists

        Exactly. But here they screwed up. Sevens were not developed for such a war.
        what about the trunks

        Not a fundamental question. They won't last long in this war anyway. But they
        1. Cheaper.
        2. More reliable.
        1. -1
          12 August 2022 21: 31
          Quote: D16
          But here they screwed up. Sevens were not developed for such a war.

          What does "screwed up" mean? They don't care more or less.
          Quote: D16
          They won't last long in this war anyway.

          With intensive use, before replacing the barrel, so and so for a month.
          Quote: D16
          1. Cheaper.
          2. More reliable.

          Strictly speaking, the issue of art is now generally secondary. The main task is to ensure the proper consumption of shells and timely maintenance, including the replacement of barrels - there are obvious problems with both.
          1. D16
            0
            13 August 2022 09: 35
            Air control is paramount for them. Without this, any artillery will not live to change barrels for obvious reasons.
            1. +1
              13 August 2022 10: 16
              Quote: D16
              Air control is paramount for them.

              Air control is paramount in a major offensive - NATO manuals do not provide for other cases at all. And in defense, Russian aviation does not interfere anyway.
              1. D16
                0
                14 August 2022 18: 35
                And in defense, Russian aviation does not interfere anyway.

                UAVs interfere.
                1. 0
                  14 August 2022 18: 46
                  Russia does not have attack UAVs. And the lungs are not quite the air control that NATO manuals talk about.
                  1. D16
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                    15 August 2022 18: 33
                    Russia does not have attack UAVs.

                    Massively not yet, but there are kamikaze drones and artillery working in conjunction with the Eagles.
  16. GNM
    0
    12 August 2022 19: 01
    Kyiv outlined its new "Wishlist" to Washington by handing over a new list to the US military.


  17. +1
    12 August 2022 20: 15
    The audacity of the Ragouli never ceases to amaze.
  18. 0
    13 August 2022 01: 59
    In addition to howitzers, Kyiv really needs pills for greed, but more.
  19. IVZ
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    13 August 2022 08: 08
    The M777 howitzers were developed against the background of the transfer of US artillery to self-propelled systems under the requirement to provide the possibility of transporting the Black Hawk on an external sling, apparently for fire support of the landing force of the first throw during landing operations. Initially, the weight limit was 3660kg. As part of the TOR, an extremely lightweight weapon was developed, which turned out to be virtually disposable.
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 16: 52
      It seems that everything that floats and lands is of little use for war.

      The strategists got too lost in the 3 pines and prepared for a war that is only possible in the imagination
    2. +1
      13 August 2022 17: 19
      Quote: IVZ
      The M777 howitzers were developed against the backdrop of the transfer of US artillery to self-propelled systems under the requirement to provide the possibility of transporting the Black Hawk on an external sling, apparently for fire support of the landing of the first throw during landing operations.

      They were made for Afghanistan and Iraq in the 2000s - for low-intensity wars with partisan formations. The Yankees used the experience of the Vietnam War - artillery bases, but the trouble is that to cover the most important areas, either many bases were needed, or highly mobile artillery to maneuver between bases. Self-propelled guns were not suitable for the last solution - too high road requirements, low speed and vulnerability to enemy attacks (because the partisans succeeded in combating ground targets). So the Yankees decided to order a UFH airmobile howitzer modified to their requirements from Vickers / BAE.
      1. IVZ
        0
        13 August 2022 17: 38
        Thank you for the useful and understandable explanation of the reasons for creating the gun. Then it is possible that the slenderness of the design is explained by the lack of the need to fire at full charge. But, as far as I remember, the British initially developed this howitzer to Amer's requirements and finalized it after the Americans chose it as the M777 prototype. I once read an article in the ZVO, but I don’t remember if there was a competition as such. Looks like it was anyway.
  20. 0
    13 August 2022 12: 03
    Will the Death Star work?
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 13: 09
      I'm embarrassed to ask about the death star. What is that gimmick? You apparently have seen enough Hollywood blockbusters and you have changes in your brain. But this does not mean that everyone is familiar with this shnyaga.
  21. 0
    13 August 2022 15: 44
    Miracle weapon of the 3rd Reich did not work
  22. 0
    13 August 2022 17: 58
    Interestingly, soon the autumn-winter period will come in Ukraine, how will they tow this weapon with such wheels? Especially from firing positions on black soil and snow.