It was decided to strengthen the protection of the BMP-3, taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in the framework of the SVO in Ukraine

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BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles will receive additional armor, this decision was made taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in a special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine. This was announced by the executive director of "Kurganmashzavod" Petr Tyukov.

According to a representative of KMZ, following the results of the use of armored vehicles in the Russian SVO in Ukraine, a decision was made to strengthen the armor of the BMP-3 with armored screens and grilles, while the experience of combat use of BMPs will be taken into account when designing new vehicles.



Based on the results of the use of the BMP-3 in a special operation in Ukraine, it was decided to strengthen the vehicles with an additional protection complex - bars and armored screens. By the way, the issues of modernization of military equipment, taking into account combat use, are already being worked out by our design bureau in order to include changes in new generation products.

- leads TASS Tyukov's words.

It is worth noting that the statement about the increase in armor protection of the BMP-3 is not the first, last year the press service of Kurganmashzavod, which produces this vehicle, reported that the BMP is being upgraded to improve performance characteristics. As part of this modernization, the infantry fighting vehicle will receive an active protection complex and hinged dynamic armor. Rostec, in turn, announced the high modernization potential of the BMP-3.

The BMP-3M infantry fighting vehicle is armed with a 100 mm 2A70 launcher, a 30 mm 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7,62 mm PKTM machine gun. The BMP is designed to transport personnel to the front line, increase the mobility, armament and security of military personnel on the battlefield in the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons. weapons and joint action with tanks in battle.
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    1. +2
      12 August 2022 11: 41
      Well, as they say, it's never too late.
      1. +5
        12 August 2022 11: 54
        I believe that the protection of the "forehead" from 30 mm and protection in a circle
        from 12,7 mm is the minimum for today ...
        1. +29
          12 August 2022 12: 25
          The most important question is when will the serial production of the BMP-15 with normal armor protection or the BMP B-11 Kurganets begin.
          1. +2
            12 August 2022 12: 33
            In addition to armor protection, the T-15 still needs a lot of development and testing before mass production:

            The BMP T-15 is a combat vehicle of the network-centric warfare, that is, it is capable of transmitting data on detected targets to destroy tactical echelon to other vehicles and, in turn, receive tasks for the destruction of targets that are adequate for BMP armament. The practical implementation of such a scenario is made through a unified management system of the tactical level.

            The system is designed to conduct maneuverable combat operations against any enemy as part of tank and motorized rifle units as the main multi-purpose combat weapon in the conditions of the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction.

            The anti-tank complex is designed to destroy modern tanks with active protection systems.

            The BMP has a pronounced support for working in the melee air defense system mode, with an emphasis on the destruction of UAVs and Apache-class anti-tank helicopters. According to the developers, the BMP T-15 will have a launcher for UAVs for reconnaissance of targets and environmental studies.
            1. +14
              12 August 2022 13: 02
              Quote: Alex777
              many more things require development and testing before mass production:

              And what did you do 8 years after the presentation? Or for our managers, just to shout a crow, but there, at least it doesn’t dawn?
              1. +3
                12 August 2022 13: 21
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And what did you do 8 years after the presentation?

                Do you have accurate information?
                I can only assume that due to a lack of funding (hello to Siluanov), the emphasis in the Defense Ministry was not on new types of weapons, but on modernization, to ensure quantity.
                To my great regret. hi
                1. +21
                  12 August 2022 13: 53
                  Quote: Alex777
                  I can only assume that due to lack of funding (hello Siluanov)

                  At the cost of the most expensive World Cup, it was possible to build a thousand Armats along with a maintenance park. But local zaputintsy here argued that such spending on the World Cup would pay off, primarily by raising Russia's rating in sports. But we still see our athletes under the Olympic flag and to the music of Tchaikovsky.
                  Maybe it's time for Uncle Vova to remember the saying about the senselessness of rearranging beds in a brothel?
                  Then you look and the Kurgans will appear in the troops. bully
                  1. -2
                    12 August 2022 14: 07
                    Siluanov cut 10 trillion. with GPV.
                    So it's not the World Cup.

                    https://www.mk.ru/economics/2018/06/05/milliardy-na-mundial-stoimost-chm-2018-podschitali-eksperty.html
                    1. +16
                      12 August 2022 14: 48
                      Quote: Alex777
                      So it's not the World Cup.

                      It is in it. This is an absolutely useless waste of public funds, which could be used, among other things, to upgrade the fleet of armored vehicles.
                      There are quite a lot of such stupid expenses, but for some reason people didn’t even lose their posts for this.
                      Now there is a war, but for some reason even UVZ does not work in emergency mode. Shortened week (two weeks old information). What is this if not sabotage?
                      And you are talking about Siluanov ....
                      1. +3
                        13 August 2022 16: 30
                        Citizen, did you yourself spend money on the World Cup football or one of the neighbors? ... And they forgot to remind you about the most expensive Winter Olympics in history in Sochi ...
                        It's funny to listen to such "analysts" who do not understand where and where the loot flows in the country, who think that a chicken like Nabiullina steers the loot of the Russian Federation - naive people ...
                        Maybe you can ask VVP or DAM about the amount of dough in the "black box office" of the Russian Federation, and about where it comes from - ask what is already there ...
                        And for example, Biden at the same time, ask where the loot spent from the US budget for 20 years, allegedly for the war in Afghanistan ...
                        The so-called "corruption" ends at the level of a colonel with a golden toilet bowl, or at a civilian counterpart such as the head of the district, everything that is higher is stolen and appropriated more expensively, or a bullet in the back of the head or bunk for at least ten ... Therefore, suitcases with loot go where they need to , including for the military industry, and completely bypassing official tenders ... Therefore, "Zircons" fly with us, but blacks from the USA do not ... And "Calibers" have not ended for half a year ...
                        Although no one has canceled the "legitimate" tithe (conditionally), the higher the position, the higher the share, for service to the Motherland ...
                      2. 0
                        16 August 2022 15: 53
                        Some people believe that about half of the costs of the Olympics and the championship were "stolen" by the defense department. Not so long ago there was talk of Putin's smokescreen.
                2. 0
                  14 August 2022 17: 50
                  Now we are reaping the fruits of the idiotic approach of the government’s economic bloc to reduce funding for the development of new weapons for our army and navy, they are always reaping money, don’t these fools understand that without a modern, strong and well-armed army and navy, we simply cannot survive, our so-called Western "partners" are just waiting for the right moment for a large-scale military aggression against Russia.
            2. +2
              12 August 2022 14: 57
              The infantry fighting vehicle is intended primarily for transporting infantry, but nowhere have I found how many people move with the help of the T-15, or how many will stick on top of the armor, and how many will transport ???
              1. +1
                12 August 2022 15: 18
                Quote: Freelancer7
                but nowhere did I find how many people move with the help of the T-15

                3 + 9.

                Specifications:
                Crew, people. 3
                Landing, people nineteen
                Combat weight, t 50
                Length, m 9,5
                Width over side screens 4,8
                Multi-fuel turbodiesel engine 2V-12-3A with a power of 1500 hp
                Max. highway speed, km/h 75
                Cross country speed, km / h 45-50
                Power reserve, km 500
                Fuel tank capacity, l 500

                https://www.arms-expo.ru/armament/samples/1284/83986/
            3. -2
              13 August 2022 02: 18
              On the basis of the T-15, first of all, command and control vehicles of the battalion / company commander should be produced.
              The main tasks are:
              - detection and distribution of targets between the firepower of the company / battalion;
              - communication with the upper level of the tactical level control system;
              - interaction with other units (neighbors, logistics, artillery, air defense, engineering and sapper units);
              1. +1
                13 August 2022 12: 31
                T-15 is part of the system. When the whole system starts working, then investments in the production of the T-15 will be justified.
                Restricted to only command vehicles,
                I don't see the point. They will be easy to identify. and destroy. First of all. The system is needed.
                1. -1
                  13 August 2022 15: 15
                  They will be easy to identify. and destroy.

                  It will be very difficult to destroy them, but the controllability and efficiency of units will increase significantly.
                  1. +2
                    13 August 2022 15: 37
                    To rephrase what I said above:
                    1. In addition to the transmitter, a receiver is also needed.
                    2. T-15 should work with T-14, etc., etc.
                    3. Under the System, I mean the presence of all components, in working condition and used for their intended purpose.
                    Z.Y. Application of the system in parts, as
                    usually does not give the expected result
                    and may even discredit the system. hi
                    1. -3
                      14 August 2022 13: 35
                      I will probably surprise you, but the T-15 KShM can work with the T-72B3, T-90M, BMP-2M, BMP-3 and other equipment when modern communication and data transmission systems are installed on them.
                      1. +1
                        14 August 2022 14: 12
                        Key phrase:
                        Quote: assault
                        when installing modern communication and data transmission systems on them.

                        See item 1:
                        1. In addition to the transmitter, a receiver is also needed.

                        hi
                        1. -3
                          14 August 2022 15: 33
                          Data transfer can be carried out in several directions.
                        2. -3
                          14 August 2022 15: 37
                          Key phrase:

                          Supplementing existing armored vehicles with communications and data transmission is an order of magnitude cheaper and faster than releasing a new T-14
                        3. 0
                          14 August 2022 18: 40
                          Colleague! Cons - not mine. hi
          2. +2
            12 August 2022 14: 22
            BMP B-11 Kurganets.


            The same useless cardboard, only the engine is in front. Heavy armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are needed so that fragments of 155-mm shells are kept by DZ and KAZ. They should be simple and you need a lot of them, and the BMP-15 based on the Armata, in my opinion, is overcomplicated and expensive.

            Of course, floating infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers should also be left, but in smaller numbers, only as a means of capturing a bridgehead on the other side of the river.

            For example, in a motorized rifle regiment, there is one battalion on floating (light) infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, and two on heavy ones (shock battalions).
            1. +6
              12 August 2022 15: 11
              SVO showed that,
              it's not about infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, but about new opportunities and the quality of artillery strikes
              the use of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers in the forehead is a loss
              long press art, including UAS, TOSami, MLRS - week
              Not a single army in the world can withstand - and the point here is not the presence of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers
              in a week you can ride on the BM Tiger on the former enemy defensive midfielders
              1. +4
                12 August 2022 15: 22
                Quote: Romario_Argo
                The SVO showed that ... a long press with artillery, including UAS, TOSami, MLRS - not a single army in the world can withstand a week - and the point here is not the presence of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers

                Not only everyone can understand this... bully
              2. +1
                12 August 2022 15: 40
                It is to these new capabilities of artillery that there should be an answer - heavy armored personnel carriers, heavy infantry fighting vehicles, tanks with enhanced protection and BMPT + KAZ + DZ.

                It is in this war that we have an advantage in artillery and missiles, and we can spare no shells for each defender, but this will not happen in the next one. How then to be?!

                In any case, the security of equipment must be increased, and not calmed down by the fact that artillery has simply become more accurate.

                And the troops urgently need Derivation-Air Defense with programmable ammunition so that they can shoot down drones and cover the advancing units. And it also needs to be put on a heavy chassis as well.
              3. 0
                13 August 2022 15: 21
                long press art including UAS, TOSami, MLRS - a week
                Not a single army in the world can withstand - and the point here is not the presence of heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers


                Coordinated counterattacks by tanks and heavy infantry fighting vehicles on enemy artillery positions can quickly turn them into heaps of scrap metal...
                Only you need to act covertly from ambushes, bypass maneuvers to the rear and flanks of artillery batteries and divisions.
                1. 0
                  13 August 2022 18: 13
                  to artillery positions

                  How is that (?)
                  through the first and second lines - covertly pass 10 km to the rear - and even set up an ambush (?)
                  1. -2
                    14 August 2022 12: 49
                    There is no continuous front line, this is not 1914 for you !!!
                    To pass secretly between the fortified areas is a task for reconnaissance and commanders!
            2. +7
              12 August 2022 15: 20
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              For example, in a motorized rifle regiment, there is one battalion on floating (light) infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, and two on heavy ones (shock battalions).

              Quite right, this is exactly what a modern motorized rifle regiment should look like.
              And as for information about the upcoming modernization and strengthening of the armor of the existing BMP-3s, this is apparently talking about the BMP-3M "Dragoon" with reinforced side screens like the "Kurganets". In this design, the BMP-3M holds not only in the forehead, but also in the side of 30 mm. armor-piercing projectile. It also has a larger troop compartment and a more convenient exit when landing.
              Most likely, they decided to strengthen the armor of the existing BMP-3s following the example of the Dragoon, equipping them with side screens and grilles.
              And it will be the right decision.
              In addition, according to the price tag, "Dragoon" in production is about 4 times cheaper than "Kurganets". With the same level of security, better armament and readiness of the industry for their mass production.
              And if a decision is made to transform tank corps from storage into TBTR, then when equipping the RF Armed Forces, along with them, "Terminators" and TBMP will not be required. The role of the TBMP (infantry fire support) will be taken over by the Terminators, and the TBTR will take over the delivery of the infantry to the battlefield.
              And the BMP-3M will be a floating component of the armored vehicles of our motorized infantry.
              1. +1
                12 August 2022 23: 03
                In this design, the BMP-3M holds not only in the forehead, but also in the side of 30 mm.


                I saw how the T-4 pierced the side of the BTR-90 (there are videos on YouTube), I can’t believe that the BMP can withstand a 30-mm projectile.
                1. +4
                  13 August 2022 01: 06
                  Look at the side screens of the Dragoon, they are taken from the Kurganets. And 30 mm. they are holding a projectile.
                  Not the board of the Dragoon, but its side screens, which also have positive buoyancy.
                  And of course the cannon is different. With one caliber, penetration can be greater, and noticeable. For example, you can look at the T-34-76 cannon and the German "Panther". But the German caliber is even smaller.
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  pierced the T-90

                  During the test 30 mm. guns for the BMP-2, she competed with 57 mm. cannon, and a tank (either T-62, or T-72) was put as a target for them, without even draining the fuel from the fender tanks ...
                  So, when 30 mm. the gun opened fire, then its shells not only demolished the entire body kit of the tower and smashed all the optics, and smashed the fender tanks, which caused the fuel to catch fire, but also pierced the side armor of the tank in the MTO area in several places ... Which very surprised the members of the commission.
                  And 30 mm. the gun was immediately put into service.
                  A 57 mm. the gun didn't even hit the tank. Even if it fired a few times.
                  So the penetration of the side of the tank in the MTO region is 30 mm. gun - not news. There is armor on different types from 40 mm. and ... almost up to 25 mm. During the battles for Slavyansk, penetrations of the side of the T-64 in the MTO region from ... armor-piercing bullets of the Kord machine gun were recorded !! What the shooters were very surprised at ... deciding that this was apparently a manufacturing defect or instead of armor in that place of the tank hull they used boiler steel. And the thickness of the armor there was like 25 mm.
                  So what happens.
                  For this, side screens are needed, both on tanks and on infantry fighting vehicles.
                  1. 0
                    15 August 2022 22: 59
                    For example, you can look at the T-34-76 cannon and the German "Panther". But the German caliber is even smaller.


                    The example is nothing, you still compare AK and TT.

                    And the BTR-4 shoots with the same ammunition as the BTR-82 and there is a video where it breaks through the side of the tank and sets it on fire.

                    We don’t need floating infantry fighting vehicles, there is no benefit from this function, this possibility of our BIPs has not shown itself anywhere, we need protection for motorized riflemen !!!

                    Floating equipment can only be left to reconnaissance units, and then only to a limited extent.

                    Dragoons and Kurganets are useless rubbish, we need heavy infantry fighting vehicles that can really hold fragments of 152-mm shells and 30-mm cannons and can support infantry both in attack and in defense.

                    About like this -



                    Tank armor + dynamic protection + KAZ, transports 9 paratroopers - this is what an infantry fighting vehicle should be like for the Russian army!
                    1. -1
                      15 August 2022 23: 09
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      And the BTR-4 shoots with the same ammunition as the BTR-82 and there is a video where he pierces the side of the tank and sets it on fire

                      Really intrigued. With what gun BTR-4? And what kind of tank is there, on the video?
                      1. 0
                        15 August 2022 23: 12

                        Really intrigued. With what gun BTR-4? And what kind of tank is there, on the video?


                        You will find on YouTube, T-72B3, and before that, he also burns the BTR-82.
                        1. -1
                          16 August 2022 02: 18
                          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                          You will find on YouTube, T-72B3, and before that he also burns the BTR-82


                          By the way, I didn’t ask about the gun in vain, they were very different on the BTR-4 ...
                        2. 0
                          16 August 2022 07: 22

                          By the way, I didn’t ask about the gun in vain, they were very different on the BTR-4 ...


                          The modules are different, but the gun, in my opinion, is the same, a copy of 2A72.
                        3. -1
                          16 August 2022 07: 32
                          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                          The modules are different, but the gun, in my opinion, is the same, copy 2A72

                          Um ...
                          Combat module "Thunder" - 1 × 30-mm automatic cannon, 1 × 7,62-mm machine gun, 1 × 30-mm automatic grenade launcher and ATGM "Barrier" (4 ATGM ammunition) [9].
                          The combat module KBA-105 "Squall" - 1 × 30 mm automatic cannon, 1 × 7,62 mm machine gun, 4 × ATGM "Barrier" or 2 × ATGM and 30 mm automatic grenade launcher.
                          The combat module BAU 23×2 - two 23-mm automatic cannons and one 7,62-mm machine gun.
                          The combat module BM-7 "Sail" - 30-mm gun ZTM-1 (ammunition 400 rounds), 1 × 30-mm automatic grenade launcher KBA-117 (ammunition 145 grenades), 1 × 7,62-mm machine gun (ammunition 2000 rounds ) and ATGM "Barrier" (4 ATGM ammunition)

                          And by the way - how is it clear that the tank was hit with a cannon? How is it clear that he was struck at all? On the video there is a fire and sodomy ...
                    2. 0
                      3 September 2022 03: 53
                      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                      Tank armor + dynamic protection + KAZ, transports 9 paratroopers - this is what an infantry fighting vehicle should be like for the Russian army!

                      In fact, in the light of the BMPT that went into the series (initially, the abbreviation meant - a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, they later wrote about supporting tanks), the issue of supporting infantry in battle will be decided that way. And that will probably be better. But TBTR for transporting about 14-18 people with the protection of almost a tank, today we need it like air. And the hulls of the tanks in storage should and can become the base.
                      It is the combination : tank - BMPT - TBTR that makes it possible to solve the most difficult assault missions and provide the necessary level of infantry protection when advancing to the battle line .
          3. -2
            12 August 2022 15: 30
            Apparently never.
          4. -1
            13 August 2022 19: 20
            Never, because Still 1 and 2 model is not all used. And then there will be more combat-ready machines
    2. +20
      12 August 2022 11: 45
      This has been talked about for decades. Again a magic pendel needed? Only more and bloody.
      1. +18
        12 August 2022 11: 48
        Quote: Pereira
        It's been talked about for decades

        I've always been surprised by the wording.
        the decision was made taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in a special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine

        As if tankers with anti-tankers live on different planets.
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 11: 51
          Quote: Canecat
          tankers with anti-tankers live on different planets

          The shield and sword always went in a hoop. Yes
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 11: 58
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Shield and sword always went hoop

            In a well-known service, yes, but with armor there have always been problems that were solved based on operating experience during the database period.
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 12: 04
              But this does not cancel the eternal rivalry, does it? Where is the new striking element - is there a new element of protection? wink
        2. +8
          12 August 2022 12: 20
          Quote: Canecat
          As if tankers with anti-tankers live on different planets.

          So here the point is not in the tankers and anti-tankers, but in the field and staff. Until the statistics on the defeat of crews and vehicles in real databases come to the GABTU from the fields, they will still be sure of the correctness of the theoretical peacetime calculations about the sufficiency of armored vehicles protection. Moreover, it is the statistics that are needed, the one that has valid sample starts at XNUMX. For individual cases in conflicts of low intensity cannot shake this faith - the answer will be that these are all special cases and illiterate use of BTT.
          1. -1
            12 August 2022 13: 03
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Moreover, it is statistics that is needed, the one in which a reliable sample begins with a hundred

            The key word is credible. But where can you get it now? request
            1. +3
              12 August 2022 14: 19
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The key word is credible. But where can you get it now? request

              But now, just with reliable statistics, unfortunately, there will be no problems. For all damage to equipment must be recorded - by the same repairmen.
              Sorry - because this statistics, as in the last war, is paid for with the blood of motorized riflemen and tankers.
              1. -2
                12 August 2022 14: 54
                Quote: Alexey RA
                But now, just with reliable statistics, unfortunately, there will be no problems

                In theory. And what practice will show, one fog. For the information interaction between the MO and designers can be called close with a big stretch.
        3. +4
          12 August 2022 15: 04
          Quote: Canecat
          I've always been surprised by the wording.
          the decision was made taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in a special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine

          Quote: Canecat
          I've always been surprised by the wording.
          the decision was made taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in a special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine

          But Afghan was not enough? And Chechnya? The landing force moves on top of the car, they are afraid!
          Israel immediately converted captured tanks into heavy armored personnel carriers. Well, there are few of them, but our price of life is completely different, women give birth.
          40 years there is a problem - they say the same thing. request hi
          1. +1
            12 August 2022 19: 34
            Quote: fa2998

            But Afghan was not enough? And Chechnya? The landing force moves on top of the car, they are afraid!
            Israel immediately converted captured tanks into heavy armored personnel carriers. Well, there are few of them, but our price of life is completely different, women give birth.
            40 years there is a problem - they say the same thing. request hi
            IDF - never got into a situation where a convoy with troops fell into a well-organized ambush in a remote area among the "non-civilian" population.
            hi
            1. +3
              12 August 2022 20: 02
              Your words only confirm my words - our armed forces are more in need of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle.
              The only excuse is well-functioning production. As ours bought the VAZ-2101, we have been producing it for 40 years, we are engaged in small-scale "restalning". This is how the BPM-1 and BTR-60 are "driven" by the thousands - they will pass on the armor, don't bari. request
      2. +4
        12 August 2022 11: 48
        As usual, until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself!
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 11: 51
          Kirill Fedorov (Alkonafter) would now definitely say "I told you so!".
      3. +1
        12 August 2022 12: 12
        Quote: Pereira
        This has been talked about for decades.

        It's just that the prospect of a general demand for increased protection has already really lit up. If earlier the world was in balance between two nuclear powers, today there are a lot of idiots in responsible positions who are able to send their army to break through our border.
      4. +4
        12 August 2022 12: 38
        Quote: Pereira
        Again a magic pendel needed?

        Military equipment has always been refined based on the results of its use in the database.
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 19: 53
          The magic pendel in this case is extremely necessary to speed up the process as much as possible, otherwise we like to think over and delay the process of modernization and adoption of new models for years.
    3. 0
      12 August 2022 11: 45
      The question is how quickly they can upgrade. And is there an option for hinged armor so as not to return it to the factory.
      1. +1
        12 August 2022 11: 50
        darkesstcat hi, most likely, screens and fasteners for hinged packages will be made in the field, but tanks with "umbrellas" have become invisible.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 12: 23
          The wagon and the trolley were even screwed onto the Breakthrough.
      2. +2
        12 August 2022 11: 51
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        And is there an option for hinged armor, so as not to return to the factory

        Most likely, there is and an algorithm has been worked out to improve the survivability of armored vehicles in rembats.
      3. +6
        12 August 2022 12: 24
        BMPhi-3s have been massively transported to repair plants for the second month now, because resources have been knocked out and are pouring in. So it's not just a problem.

        Again, the nanotechnical flat engine box does not contribute. Deuces and kopecks are supported in the field, but with a triple it doesn’t work like that.
        1. +4
          12 August 2022 15: 38
          On the BMP-3, apparently, side screens will be hung, like on the BMP-3M "Dragoon". With such it is 30 mm on board. holds, and of course - heavy fragments.
    4. +8
      12 August 2022 11: 48
      They just don’t come up with anything, if only they don’t let the “Kurganets” into the series.
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 12: 00
        Quote: DominickS
        if only "Kurganets" is not allowed into the series

        "Kurganets" is not a panacea ... it will also have to be protected by additional screens.
    5. +12
      12 August 2022 11: 49
      That is, before the SVO it was not obvious to someone? belay
      1. -4
        12 August 2022 11: 54
        ultrahi Before the SVO, our armored vehicles were not massively fired from NATO ATGMs, I’m talking about mass use, and therefore, how can our designers know exactly how and what to strengthen against specific ATGMs, although it’s possible that the truth is until the thunder breaks out.
        1. +7
          12 August 2022 12: 21
          It's not about the designers, but in our MO. The designers work according to the requirements that the military imposes. And judging by what I see in the MO, either idiots or traitors are sitting.
          1. -2
            12 August 2022 16: 18
            There sit half-witted fools and all sorts of bribed enemies of the people and traitors.
        2. +6
          12 August 2022 12: 21
          Indeed, after all, the performance characteristics of these anti-tank systems were kept well in such a strict secret that it was simply impossible to guess (no).
        3. +5
          12 August 2022 12: 30
          Even now they don’t shoot much from NATO anti-tank systems. 3,5 Milan do not count. The Armed Forces of Ukraine now have 2 main ATGMs - the good old Fagot / Konkurs and Stugna / Skif, for the latter there is already a shortage of launchers.

          Maybe the Tou will go en masse by winter, because this echelon is objectively knocked out (and it is still extremely lucky for the Armed Forces of Ukraine that the Nigerian and Qatari orders were formed and prepared for shipment in March-April and they were sent to the troops).
        4. -1
          12 August 2022 12: 32
          Yes, yes, yes, they didn’t see anything, they didn’t hear anything, but most likely they didn’t want to know anything.
    6. +3
      12 August 2022 11: 49
      How many lives do you need to put in order for bureaucrats in uniform and without to start lounging on their leather stools
    7. +1
      12 August 2022 11: 51
      Yeah ... the photos of the burned-out skeletons of the BMP are depressing ... what chance do they have to survive?
      So is there a modification "Dragoon" or is it not that? And will they still not install KAZ on tanks?
      1. +4
        12 August 2022 12: 34
        The BMP / BMD4 has the main plus, in terms of survivability it becomes the main disadvantage - arrival at +/- the center of the hull is a very likely undermining of a 100mm stack of land mines with a spray of three.

        The deuce burns slowly.
    8. +9
      12 August 2022 11: 51
      Half measures will lead nowhere. The BMP will get heavier, the RPG and Javelin will still not hold. Heavy infantry fighting vehicles with KAZ on the line of contact, and light for transporting l / s at a distance.
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 12: 23
        The SVO showed that the main losses come from artillery fire, so the main task is to ensure the protection of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers from fragments of artillery systems to the maximum.
      2. +1
        12 August 2022 16: 36
        In my opinion, this is obvious to everyone except for the bodies from the Moscow Region.
    9. +3
      12 August 2022 11: 55
      Past wars have taught nothing (((
      1. -5
        12 August 2022 12: 08
        Quote: RED_ICE
        Past wars have taught nothing (((

        And we had wars with MASSIVE the use of tanks and ATGMs by the enemy?
        1. +5
          12 August 2022 12: 17
          Did you come up with a prediction of the situation yesterday? Or was ATGM invented yesterday?
          1. +2
            12 August 2022 18: 12
            Quote: Yakut
            Did you come up with a prediction of the situation yesterday? Or was ATGM invented yesterday?

            And forecasting the situation in a war is an unrealizable thing.
            Tomorrow they will come up with some kind of stray on the AK - so that they get into the drones for 1 km and that's it, the drones will run out ...
            Everyone was shouting - artillery is living its last days, helicopters and attack aircraft will finish it off. And as a result, artillery is fighting ....
            And no exercises of a real war to understand what is good with what is bad will not replace
            1. +1
              15 August 2022 08: 44
              Artillery fights because air defense is not knocked out. Did the Iraqis manage to fight a lot with their artillery? They would have demolished the air defense, all the defense areas would have simply been demolished with cast iron. About forecasting in war is, of course, not a very grateful thing, but it was not difficult to understand basic things like the massive use of anti-tank systems. You might think that we ourselves never had them, but here it is.
              1. 0
                15 August 2022 12: 04
                Quote: Yakut
                but basic things like the massive use of anti-tank systems were not difficult to understand

                And they were- massive quantities BEFORE wars in Ukraine?
                Nobody expected such large volumes of deliveries of ATGMs from the USA - simply because the USA did not give anything to anyone for free
                And the Soviet ones - they sold out the main array a long time ago
                The same with MANPADS ...
                Approximate small reserves were known
    10. -1
      12 August 2022 11: 56
      It is good that the analysis of the results of the database in the SVO is being carried out and adjustments will be made to the design of military equipment.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 12: 25
        Here you can’t get by with adjustments, the mass cannot be increased without taking into account the capabilities of the chassis.
    11. +4
      12 August 2022 11: 56
      The question is, why is protection not calculated in advance before the conflict, taking into account foreign experience and conflicts? Why does this happen only when dozens of equipment are burned and people die? As far as I remember, since the 2000s, American and Western armored vehicles have been equipped with gratings and other things.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 12: 15
        They thought over new prodigies, there was no time to modernize Soviet technology.
        It’s better to swell a couple of billions on the PAK FA, then on something else, then on the armature, the stealth drone Hunter (or whatever it is). Everything, no money.
      2. -2
        12 August 2022 12: 34
        Your question is correct, but it is the voice of one crying in the wilderness. hi
    12. +2
      12 August 2022 12: 02
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      Quote: Canecat
      tankers with anti-tankers live on different planets

      The shield and sword always went in a hoop. Yes

      But everyone has their own pocket. No.
    13. +4
      12 August 2022 12: 02
      I don't know what they will do. But I will write it down. The forehead should hold 30 mm bops, the side should hold 12,7 armor-piercing. Bonks must be welded for the installation of the DZ "Cactus". Or anti-cumulative grilles, but some of this is a must! And yes, the gratings should not be made of 60x5 steel plasticine 3 strips, but of normal rolled homogeneous armor with a normal thermal!!
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 12: 16
        Will not help. For the forehead to hold a 30 mm telescope, the entire forehead will be indecent. In addition, now on the line of contact RPGs, Javelins, Cornets, etc., like a fool of shag. It is with them from a distance that they mainly strike.
        1. +3
          12 August 2022 12: 24
          Well, in principle, nothing will help with a javelin, except for KAZ, and even then not for sure, but there is no KAZ and is not expected, and even more so in large numbers. So why cry about it. And so at least from autocannons, anti-material rifles, heavy machine guns and fragments there will be sane protection. Well, gratings or Cactus will save you quite well from RPGs.
      2. +1
        12 August 2022 12: 30
        Sorry, of course, but the chassis may not withstand such improvements. It is necessary (it was high time) to switch to a new platform, and not just ride it in parades.
        1. +1
          14 August 2022 16: 52
          "Sorry, of course, but the chassis may not withstand such improvements."
          What exactly is an apology. The combat weight will be 28 ... 32 tons. The engine will not pull and the chassis will not stand unambiguously.
      3. -1
        12 August 2022 12: 45
        Do you want to make a tank out of an infantry fighting vehicle?
        1. +5
          12 August 2022 13: 03
          Tank - a product with anti-ballistic protection. And what I have listed is the MINIMUM modern requirements for the security of infantry fighting vehicles. Look at the security of Western infantry fighting vehicles and don't write more nonsense. Cardboard amphibious infantry fighting vehicles are purely our nonsense, in the west the guys turned out to be smarter.
    14. +1
      12 August 2022 12: 12
      2022, people thought of increasing the protection of the crew and equipment.
      Already ATGMs, ATGMs, RPGs and others have long pierced through any equipment.
      It is necessary to completely revise the use of infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and other similar equipment, and not just armor.
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 12: 34
        Why revise its (application)? The main defeats of armored vehicles from artillery and mines. From anti-tank systems and RPGs on the march or from ambushes.
    15. +5
      12 August 2022 12: 24
      For many years, designers fulfilled the MoD's Wishlist about waterfowl infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. Of course, to the detriment of booking. Something I did not see much forcing water barriers in Ukraine. So - strengthen the armor and to hell with it, with the ability to swim.
      1. +7
        12 August 2022 12: 31
        That's it! If you want a floating one, make a special reconnaissance modification! For ordinary combat vehicles, this buoyancy is like a fifth wheel for a dog, especially to the detriment of security.
      2. -4
        12 August 2022 12: 43
        many rivers had to be crossed, for example, the northern Donets
        1. +5
          12 August 2022 13: 04
          I had to ... On pontoon crossings, it’s true ...
      3. +1
        12 August 2022 16: 39
        They will still not be able to cross without reconnaissance and preparing the entrances and exits from the water. Otherwise, the crossing could turn into a disaster.
        1. 0
          13 August 2022 10: 56
          The use of solid propellant boosters to overcome obstacles, such as slopes on the coast, has long been worked out. This is not a fantasy, you can find a movie with tests.
    16. +3
      12 August 2022 12: 30
      And without the experience of using it in your own, well, it was very difficult to guess about it.
    17. +4
      12 August 2022 12: 54
      BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles will receive additional armor, this decision was made taking into account the experience of using armored vehicles in a special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine. This was announced by the executive director of "Kurganmashzavod" Petr Tyukov.

      As I understand it, Tyukov simply announced the decision made in the Moscow Region, which has recently been behaving more and more like an OBS. Such a small question. And where did the experience of the Syrian company go, where the barmaley just worked on the armored vehicles of the Syrians in the main ATGM?))) And their equipment is ours))) huh? And where did the analysis of the actions of the armies of other countries engaged in hostilities go? The old truth - is it necessary to learn from other people's mistakes for wimps? Heaps of material - Israel vs barmaley, Syria vs barmaley-USA-Turkey-Israel and then shuffle in any combination. And I’m wondering how many years later the bicycle will be invented in the Moscow Region and they will sail to discover America - the need for KAZs. Hello Israelis. Your military officials in charge of the safety of your soldiers are the best. Now your experience is being adopted by the USA, Europe and others. And in Russia ... Brazier on the roof, but I forgot - and burning garbage on a stick.
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 13: 26
        Still, it is worth noting that Israel does not oppose top-end ATGMs or ATGMs. Yes, and the application is different, they do 90% with the help of aircraft and drones (WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE). Armored vehicles are essentially used only for patrols and security. Active hostilities have long been they don’t lead. How many years ago they fought actively, probably 10 years ago
        The Americans have wanted KAZ for a long time, but like KAZ it can harm their infantry
        1. -4
          12 August 2022 14: 36
          To fight like Israel, you need industry and business connections like Israel. In our case, it’s good that they don’t transplant on horses.
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 16: 13
            And here is the industry and business ties of Israel, what kind of nonsense did you throw out?
            How does this relate to how they have a conflict with Palistine and others?
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          2. 0
            12 August 2022 16: 16
            In order to fight like Israel, you must first have eggs like theirs. Now they have some of the best connections and the military-industrial complex, but they started in a completely different position, but then they had the same principles.
          3. +1
            12 August 2022 16: 42
            Do not flatter yourself, our industry will be more than yours, at times, but about the military-industrial complex ... What is the percentage of imported components in your products? laughing
            1. -2
              14 August 2022 08: 31
              I wrote about business ties, implying that Israel is in world cooperation, but you need to explain everything to a leavened patriot)
              1. 0
                14 August 2022 10: 23
                You re-read your post carefully. What does patriotism have to do with leavened and matt. wassat
              2. +1
                14 August 2022 10: 24
                We can only be allowed into the world "cooperation" to play the role of a younger brother, which somehow does not suit the vast majority of Russian citizens.
                1. -1
                  16 August 2022 08: 55
                  Nobody will let us go anywhere, we have to earn our role, but with your mindset of a child that big uncles should let go somewhere, you won’t go far. We live with this.
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2022 09: 28
                    Are you naive or pretending to be a fool?
                  2. 0
                    16 August 2022 09: 30
                    With whom or with what you live there, in Israel, does not interest me.
        2. +1
          12 August 2022 16: 14
          Quote from hell machine
          Israel does not oppose top-end ATGMs or ATGMs (WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY

          Well, if the Cornets are not top in their class))) then yes, they don’t oppose.
          Quote from hell machine
          Yes, and the application is different, they do 90% with the help of aircraft and drones

          So it's not about what Israel uses, but about what is used on Israeli tanks. And these are ATGMs.
          Quote from hell machine
          but like KAZ it can harm its infantry

          Something in none of the hundreds of videos from Syria and Ukraine does not see infantry near the tanks)))
    18. 0
      12 August 2022 13: 16
      To promise is not to marry.
    19. Hey
      0
      12 August 2022 13: 39
      As part of this modernization, the infantry fighting vehicle will receive an active protection complex and hinged dynamic armor.

      This is a plus for the crew, and a minus for the landing force outside the vehicle, i.e. on the "armor" is no longer a ride.

      a decision was made to strengthen the armor of the BMP-3 with armored screens and grilles,

      But I think this solution is acceptable.
    20. 0
      12 August 2022 14: 34
      It took the MO half a year of the war to understand things obvious to any capable man. Truly geniuses of military thought.
    21. +3
      12 August 2022 15: 25
      Quote: Melziar
      Well, as they say, it's never too late.

      Dozens of TRILLIONS were sent for a RADIO of rearmament. They have been riding in parades for ten years, they are glad in the news how many percent of the units are serving on new equipment - how they were sent to fight - the equipment of the Soviet Union is fighting. But the money has been mastered.
      Now the Rembats are welding on screens, "umbrellas", almost bed nets are used, as in the Second World War.
      Please tell me - it turns out in 2022 we found out that we have plywood protection for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
      There, not only to send some into retirement, but to "grab the taiga" for 10-15 years. Yes hi
      1. -2
        12 August 2022 17: 07
        I hope that the technique you are talking about is used for a more serious adversary.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 19: 29
          Quote: Normann
          I hope that the technique you are talking about is used for a more serious adversary.

          I'm afraid that technology is not AT ALL! Yes, somewhere enough for a battalion, for a squadron, some only for a parade crew or for a test company. For a real war, this is ridiculous, especially with a "serious adversary" hi
    22. +1
      12 August 2022 17: 06
      And you can also load sandbags. (
      1. +3
        12 August 2022 19: 39
        A good offer! Only in order to "master" the money more, we will reflect in the documents that the sand was imported from Bali or the Canary Islands. Bypassing the sanctions, through third countries. laughing hi
    23. +2
      12 August 2022 21: 05
      As part of this modernization, the infantry fighting vehicle will receive an active protection complex and hinged dynamic armor.

      More recently, there was an article on VO "What will happen if an anti-tank grenade launcher is fired at a BMD" about the insufficiency of aluminum armor on a BMD, where I proposed the same measures to enhance protection and got as many as 2 minuses! The author of that article offered only "screens, and anti-shatter lining made of durable fabric." It turns out "Kurganmashzavod" thinks the same as me!
      1. +1
        12 August 2022 22: 22
        Is KAZ used on at least one of our tanks? Thinking is one thing, putting it into service is quite another ...
        1. -1
          12 August 2022 23: 18
          So we also have T72 tanks fighting, and, based on their use as infantry support, they also need to be updated to at least a T90 breakthrough, and a maximum to Almaty ... so what?
          War is an exam for a nation, and after it, much will be revised and redone, and most importantly, it will be filmed and staged!
          1. 0
            24 August 2022 15: 30
            Something tells me that it is impossible to bring 72 to the level of aroma. If only because there is still no mass Almaty and it is not clear when it will be. The protection of Almaty is, among other things, KAZ Afghanit, which does not exist at all! Only individual elements. And apparently there are problems with the engine, if so far it has not been able to do it normally. Therefore, the field is unplowed
    24. 0
      13 August 2022 03: 09
      Come to your senses, yesterday's borscht will you? Come tomorrow
    25. +1
      13 August 2022 08: 41
      Quote from hell machine
      The Americans have wanted KAZ for a long time, but like KAZ it can harm their infantry

      They are not what they wanted, they have Kaz on the technique
    26. 0
      13 August 2022 10: 45
      [Quote]
      Length, m 9,5
      Width over side screens 4,8

      Power reserve, km 500
      Fuel tank capacity, l 500
      [/ Quote]
      https://www.arms-expo.ru/armament/samples/1284/83986/[/quote]

      With a support surface length of less than 5 m, the vehicle length of 9,5 m is strong, and, unlike a tank, the gun does not protrude beyond the hull.
      When d. dimension 3,45 m width 4,8 m - that's more than 0,7 m screen on board!
      A power reserve of 500 km is, apparently, with external tanks, a consumption of at least 3 l / km.
    27. +1
      13 August 2022 14: 08
      It is necessary to abandon buoyancy, as with the BMP-2D.

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