Some details of the explosions in the Saki region of Crimea announced

Today, an emergency happened at a military facility near the Crimean village of Novofedorovka, where aviation ammunition, which "Military Review" is about today Reported. A few hours later, details about these explosions in the Saki region of Crimea became clear.

Unfortunately, as a result of the incident, people still suffered. According to the head of the republic, Sergei Aksenov, who urgently arrived at the scene, one person died. Also, the Ministry of Health of Crimea received information about the hospitalization of five victims in the central hospital of the Saki district, one of whom is a minor, a 13-year-old teenager. Their lives are not in danger. One of the victims received moderate injuries, the rest were lightly wounded.

There are gloating comments among Ukrainian officials about the incident in Crimea.

Today's explosions in Novofedorivka are yet another reminder of whose Crimea belongs. Because this is Ukraine!

- Irina Vereshchuk, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, wrote on the social network.

The cause of the incident has not yet been clarified, but it is known that a week before this, a picture of the airfield was taken by the American satellite company Maxar. Russian portal Mash claims to be affiliated with the Pentagon.

As the editor-in-chief of the RT agency Margarita Simonyan stated in her Telegram channel, citing sources, the fire impact from Ukraine is excluded, but sabotage could be.

On the spot, they believe that they are not arrivals, but sabotage. And it's a total headache

- she wrote.

The question of where the notorious red lines are is also voiced there...

The possibility of a missile or UAV strike from Ukraine was also ruled out by the Russian Defense Ministry.

Newspaper sources Kommersant it is speculated that the explosions may have occurred due to accidental ignition during fuel loading.

At the same time, the accidental ignition also raises questions, especially based on the numerous frames published on the network from the emergency area.

Although now evacuation has been announced in the Saki district, it is not massive. Evacuate only people living in the vicinity of a military facility.

The military airfield of Saki is located near the settlement of Novofedorovka. It is used to train carrier-based pilots. Su-24M aircraft are also based on it.

Comments

[Normal]

The reason has not yet been clarified. Nuclear power. Hmm.

[Sergio_7]

Maybe she's just afraid to call her!

[Kesha1980]

Reading the comments "everything is lost", you begin to be surprised at such "rear". Comrades, remember - this airfield has already been "noted" in similar cases:

The incident occurred in October 2017 in a hangar at the airfield in Saki. Technicians were checking one of the missiles with which a Su-30SM fighter had taken off shortly before. Due to a violation of the rules of work, her engine started. The missile did not explode, but managed to destroy some of the equipment and demolish the wall of the hangar before coming to a stop.
https://www.rbc.ru/society/26/11/2019/5ddce1d99a794724b291f8c8

Let's add +35 and 25 km / h wind all week, combat work is underway. Ammunition is taken out of warehouses and placed on prepared sites for further suspension (loading) on ​​aircraft. Cynically, but - "it happens".
During his service, everyone can remember a few incidents that did not happen by chance. I work once - by the department we clean the old minefield near the Severny airport. There is no card. They found a shot from an LNG - they took it to the side (the plumage was released, but it's normal, if it's accurate). Believe it or not, someone stole it in 2 hours. And after all could and bang. There are enough absurdities in life, just some are deadly.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Kesha1980

Reading the comments "everything is lost", you begin to be surprised at such "rear".

It would be surprising if these comments did not exist.

[Goffman]

Quote: Kesha1980

It would be surprising if these comments did not exist.

On the "other side" there is the same hysteria that is not based on evidence, and it is expressed in screams when it hits, for example, a shopping center or an industrial warehouse with military equipment: "Vata brought! Look for gunners! Otherwise, how did you know?" And with us - "It's shelling! Because it can't be! The authorities are hiding it!"

[The leader of the Redskins]

So the machinery and equipment was not damaged? ....

[Dart2027]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So the machinery and equipment was not damaged? ....

Where is this from?

[Bogranz]

This is the second time I've seen this picture today. No others showed up. And yes, HZ, of course, but it’s not a fact that this “equipment” is something from a sump that last flew to Ukraine.

[Kesha1980]

I will even help a little, because I don’t understand what this red rectangle is for
https://t.me/romanov_92/23780
https://t.me/mnftu/5413
Is the loss of one Rook so significant to you? Thank the gods for l / s there are few losses.

[Vlad Vlad (Shimas)]

it's not a rook. looks like su 24

[Kesha1980]

Yes, 24m, it seems

[IvanSviridov]

Well, what is this "technique"? They just took up space!

[Incvizitor]

Considering what grandmas for such the West highlights the result at least somehow it should be.

[Cottodraton]

Of course, these are not Svidomo trolls sitting here 24/7, but real Russians, for example, from Samara! (as here one hit himself with a heel in the forehead) ...
In general, the presence of teenagers among the victims is already alarming. How did they get there? It is possible that the object is guarded so-so and roam there too - who wants to.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Cottodraton

How did they get there?

The spread of ammunition can be several kilometers.

[alexey sidykin]

As they wrote slashed with glass fragments in a nearby village

[Himalayan]

Close the planes with concrete arched shelters for millions of rubles, right? Close from March, no?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Himalayan

Close the planes with concrete arched shelters for millions of rubles, right?

On the runway?

[Himalayan]

There, without "next to the runway" there are no planes at all. In a row, wing to wing, - now burn from the copters.
No, there are a LOT of arched shelters nearby, for decoys, it is within the power of any commander to organize with and slightly below the IQ standards. Do you understand?
So copters and combat swimmers weren’t born yesterday, and from the Russian side they can drive in, at least like married couples, like a couple of fingers

[Dart2027]

Quote: Himalayan

No, - there are a LOT of arched shelters nearby, for decoys, it is within the power of any commander to organize with and slightly below the IQ standards.

Do not understand.

Quote: Himalayan

In a row, wing to wing, - now burn from the copters.

No one saw copters there.

Quote: Himalayan

There, without "next to the runway", there are no planes at all.

Do you want to say that there are no hangars there and they are always in the open air?

[Himalayan]

they are not there. look at satellite pictures. no from the word at all

[Dart2027]

Quote: Himalayan

see satellite images

I tried, but I could not understand anything - everything is white.

[Blacksmith 55]

Safety precautions written in blood.
I'm interested in something else.
Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?
If so, then you must immediately change the location, or somehow change the location.
I understand that a permanent ammunition depot cannot be moved, and yet something needs to be done.

[Kesha1980]

The entire planet is scrambled by satellites. You can go online and look at the roof of your house. So there is no point in changing dislocations from the word at all.

[AUL]

Quote: Kesha1980

The entire planet is scrambled by satellites. You can go online and look at the roof of your house.

And not only the roof - in the "panorama" you can sometimes look into your window For example, I saw myself in two different browsers - in one I go fishing, in the other I smoke on the balcony (then I still smoked, about 6 years ago).

[Dedok]

find Israel's military/secret facilities on the "Internet"!
I'll tell you - they are not there: cut out to "upload to the Internet"

[Kesha1980]

We have the same for Yandexcart. Blurred sectors. Does this cancel the fact that these pictures are available to everyone who has the opportunity? Not at all.

[igork735]

Americans don't need Yandex maps, to put it mildly.

[Kesha1980]

AND? How does this refute my answer to the fact that "and in Israel there are special rules"?
Or do you think that we "work" on Yandexmaps? The colleague's comment was for uploading to the Internet. And not about a small (criminally small) number of visual control satellites.
Sitronics. This is from fresh. You can read - we develop a little.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?
If yes, then you need to immediately change the location, or somehow change the location

And here there is no need to doubt - satellite fixation is carried out constantly.
There is enough iron in the orbits for this for both the striped ones and ours.

[silver_roman]

I agree on the striped ones, but I would not be in a hurry about us. I heard that in Ukraine at the beginning there were about 4 satellites, if you remember, there were separate launches into orbit of missiles with cargo from the Defense Ministry. I admit that we are far from being so rosy. I am generally silent about the electronic filling. This has already been acknowledged by officials.

[silver_roman]

and yet there were 7 dolboyaschers who do not like the facts)))

[ratcatcher]

In general, we now have only two working optical reconnaissance satellites "Persona" in orbit.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

it is necessary to immediately change the location, or somehow change the location

After each satellite pass, relocate airfields?

[alystan]

After each satellite pass, relocate airfields?

And why not "set up" a handful of false ones nearby, and hide the real one under the "invisibility cloak"?

[Piramidon]

Quote: alystan

Why not "set up" a handful of false

In a couple of days, everything will be filmed on mobile phones and posted on YouTube with comments on where everything is and how the false differs from the real.

[Alex777]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: alystan

Why not "set up" a handful of false

In a couple of days, everything will be filmed on mobile phones and posted on YouTube with comments on where everything is and how the false differs from the real.

Truly so!
No matter how the Sumerians tried to attach their rockets to this topic, but everything looks like a terrorist attack ...

[meandr51]

Shoot all accomplices and turn off the Internet for the rest.

[silver_roman]

we need inflatable models of airfields, immediately with inflatable models of aircraft, star cruisers, battle cruisers, etc.
ps dolboyascheram: to the start, attention, march ... minus))

[boni592807]

silver_roman (Roman), Today, - "... we need inflatable models of airfields, immediately with inflatable models of aircraft, star cruisers, battle cruisers, etc...."

All right, colleague. But ...There must be "accompaniment" of the equipment from the "legend", live l / s and "providing" from the "equipment" of the relevant technical parameters(heat, EMP, etc.). At we were shown on TV more than once that THIS is...
Why not apply!?
And the enemy (partner) does not care where to "put" the existing ammunition ONLY TO SHIT - ZRADA......
In practice, this was worked out , ....they seem to have forgotten how NATO "extinguished Yugoslavia, and then Serbia.. .Microwave ovens were very useful there, they say. ours suggested that the "tomahawks" took them very much as a target, of course with "entourage". Yes, and there was a fact when, with their massive use, they "successfully" flew into the territory of the "friendly" United States ....Incl. It is harmful to forget experience, but it is very useful to develop it.
Otherwise, IT will be used by the "PARTNER" (enemy).

R.S. WHO WANTS TO LEARN THE EXPERIENCE OF YUGOSLAVIA AND IRAQ
see "Instruction: How to shoot down a cruise missile with a microwave" - https://tutankanara.livejournal.com/423526.html

[Piramidon]

Quote: silver_roman

we need inflatable models of airfields, immediately with inflatable models of aircraft

And take-offs and taxiing imitate concrete-colored carpets.

[Blacksmith 55]

Piramidon, do you take me for an idiot?
The article clearly states "a week before this, the picture of the airfield was taken by an American satellite."
Kose understands that the airfield cannot be moved.
And I asked the question: how can you determine what exactly was being filmed at that time?
And I know very well that there are maps taken from space.
I often go to Google Maps.
And I see my house clearly, and my garage.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

I often go to Google Maps.
And I see my house clearly, and my garage.

You can easily see and examine your house and garage there.
And in our Severodvinsk you will see a lot of things.
But if you try to look at the shipyards in German Kiel, you will find in some places not just blurs, but "Malevich's black squares".
Satellite maps are by no means neutral.

PS

And I asked the question: how can you determine what exactly was being filmed at that time?

All satellites are tracked.
To assume that a satellite with the ability to shoot does not do this, you need to have an unspeakable fantasy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Kose understands that the airfield cannot be moved

But nevertheless, this thought slips through you. Reread your comment.

Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?
If yes, then it is necessary to immediately change the location, or somehow change the location .

[Podvodnik]

Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?

Just guess. Photo reconnaissance satellites fly in a heliosynchronous orbit and take pictures of the entire flight path. Usually it is elongated to increase the time spent in orbit: on the night side "far", on the day side "low". They fly and shoot everything, flying over the subject at the same time to maintain optimal shooting parameters. So smile, looking at the sky during the day, we are filmed by a camera the size of a bus.

[Michael67]

"Submarine", hello from "Surface"! 7 OpESK, 56 BREM, 43 DRC.

[Blacksmith 55]

Well guess.....
It’s just that the article doesn’t write about guesswork, it says that they filmed a week ago.
So the question arose, how did they "guess" that they were filming a week ago.
Probably sent a request to the Pentagon.
Okay, let's end the discussion.
I think the author himself "guessed".

[Podvodnik]

So the question arose, how did they "guess" that they were filming a week ago.

If you only found these pictures in the catalog. If the satellite is commercial, then the desired image can be bought. For this, in fact, they filmed. Just business, nothing personal. Attached is the date the photo was taken.
Naturally, the flight schedule of these cameras, the size of a bus, is known in advance. In the presence of responsible persons, the activities of the PDITR are planned.

[stankow]

The time of flight of each satellite, especially reconnaissance, is known to a fraction of a second and up to a meter. There are not so many of them. There are dozens of ground stations that are doing this. Radio, optical and laser location of satellites. And powerful computers.

[Michael67]

It is necessary to do "Spirals" (probably already created cooler), which will inspect and disable "drop from orbit" all suspicious satellites of "partners" over our territory. Then not a single "woman with reduced social responsibility" will photograph or correct anything. And, mark my word, such events are not far off!

[AC130 Gunship]

When I was young 35 years ago, American satellites read the headlines. Since then, things have changed. How will you clean up the warehouse or runway?

[Podvodnik]

. 35 years ago, American satellites read the headlines

This is not true. Not physically possible. The best you can get is a resolution of 10-15 cm when flying in a very low orbit. The laws of optics interfere.
That is, in the best case, you can have two soccer balls on the lawn at a distance of 15cm. from each other to see as TWO small dots, not one. And Ronaldo's signature on the ball... . Impossible.

[AC130 Gunship]

Underestimating a potential adversary is one of the biggest planning mistakes.

[meandr51]

Now for such readers "Peresvet" is available.

[your1970]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?

Pfffff..
В 1989 (!!!!!!!!!) in Kushka, at the headquarters of the division, a daily breakdown lay at the operative - which satellite, whose, what time, how many minutes, and the type of reconnaissance.
And all the messengers went to copy it to themselves in the journal of the operational situation of the units.
It's been 33 years since...

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: smith 55

Safety precautions written in blood.
I'm interested in something else.
Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?
If so, then you must immediately change the location, or somehow change the location.
I understand that a permanent ammunition depot cannot be moved, and yet something needs to be done.

This is a fixed airfield. Do you seriously think that it is necessary to change airfields?

[Blacksmith 55]

Madhouse.
Did I suggest it?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: smith 55

Madhouse.
Did I suggest it?

You suggested: "it is necessary to change the location, or somehow change the location."

[Letun]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Is it really possible to determine that the object was filmed from a satellite?
If so, then you must immediately change the location, or somehow change the location.

Yes Yes. Urgently change the location and location of the airfield! While the enemy is drawing maps, we are changing the terrain!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kesha1980

Comrades...

Tambov wolf named comrade.

[alystan]

Margarita Simonyan, citing sources that there could be sabotage.

And taking into account your mention, one would like to say: "But the" bug "must still be in these Saki!"

Maybe it's time to rename the village, they say sometimes it helps?

[navigator777]

Maybe so, but it could also be a sabotage, I was told by a conscript who returned from the army in the summer that saboteurs burned the S400 radar in their unit in the first days of the operation, so nothing is excluded.

[Kesha1980]

Maybe a diversion. They were and will be. The key word - do not immediately blame the air defense and the alleged violation of the "red lines" by long-range Atamaks.

[Paladin]

Control words - conscript, radar, saboteurs))))
Somehow I heard the words of the beginning. Fuels and lubricants - kerosene, NZ, Chinese saboteurs drank. That's why you can't fly

[Beloemigrant]

diwersju iskluczit newozmozno w tem ja profesjonal sluzbu naczal kontrazwedczikom
konczil diwersantom bardak toze no w protiwdiwersjonjnoj zaszcite aeodroma
diwersii podrostka 13 lat obuczit net problema motiwacja u pacanow bolszaja czem u wzroslych na pacanow czasowyje wnimanja ne obraszczajjut ogna ne otkrywajut
kurilszczikow w WKS RF berut or net ne znaju takomu obektu polozeno imet
okranu kontrazwedki

[gjkrjdybr50]

Oh, TsIPSO pulled himself up. You listen to more demobilizations and then post this gossip on VO. In each topic, some kind of shnyaga from the Navigator. Aren't you tired of being embarrassed?
Learn Russian, shameful "... but it could be a deversion ...".

[Andrei]

I respect people with a sober mind!!

[Frost]

Quote: Normal

they openly said that they would gasp in the Crimea

What evidence do you have that these were respected Kyiv partners? Novofedorovka are OUTSIDE the reach of PREVIOUSLY known systems in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main reason for the explosion of ammunition is sloppiness and a mess!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Hoarfrost

The main reason for the explosion of ammunition is sloppiness and a mess!

Add to this the forty-degree heat from the steppe ... Ringing dry Crimean heat and wind ... Enough badly extinguished cigarette butt and hello .. I do not exclude a terrorist attack ... The time is like this .. We are crushing them, they are trying to crush us ... War. .. I won’t be surprised at sabotage somewhere in the suburbs ... ...

[Captain45]

Quote: 30 vis

War ... I won’t be surprised at sabotage somewhere in the suburbs ... ...

Well, why in the suburbs? It's easier to build five bonfires in the taiga somewhere in Ugra, huh? Somehow it suddenly flared up. And the authorities have a smut with extinguishing and material damage is not weak.

[Andy_nsk]

It’s easier to make five fires in the taiga somewhere in Ugra, huh?

It’s not easier in Yugra, where all the land is divided among oil companies, there are guard posts on the roads, they check documents, you can’t slip through without a pass, you can’t drive off the road, I regularly visit those parts.

[Captain45]

Quote from Andy_nsk

It’s not easier in Yugra, where all the land is divided among oil companies, there are guard posts on the roads, they check documents, you can’t slip through without a pass, you can’t drive off the road, I regularly visit those parts.

It may be so, but, however, it flared up and somehow abruptly in two days on 45 thousand hectares, but about the oil workers: after retiring due to seniority, I worked in the Gazprom Security Council in the Far North, how and who works there I know. So don't sing war songs.

[Andy_nsk]

I have nothing to do with singing songs, neither military nor civilian. I don't even understand what your comment is about. Yes, and I did not give an assessment of the work of Gazprom. He only noted that the territory of Yugra had long been divided, fenced along the roads and guarded.

[Beloemigrant]

Akakoj idjot ili wreditel terpit kurilszczikow w nazemnoj obsluge WWS za cara byla poslowica 2 koszmara RI dorogi i duraki dorogi uspeli czerez 105 let poczinit durakow pobolsze stalo

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: Beloemigrant

Akakoj idjot ili wreditel terpit kurilszczikow w nazemnoj obsluge WWS za cara byla poslowica 2 koszmara RI dorogi i duraki dorogi uspeli czerez 105 let poczinit durakow pobolsze stalo

Is it possible to write clearly in Russian? Do not understand anything ... Sense from your mutterings ...

[Beloemigrant]

mozno tolko u menja keyborda z cyrylicoj net iz za sankcji w Ewrosojuze ego trudno pokupit menja uze tosznit ot etoj protiwhoj latinicy w ruskom jazyke
pohoze kak by w Cerkwi po katolliczesku perekrestilsa i molilsa

[Xnumx vis]

Understood . World .

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Hoarfrost

The main reason for the explosion of ammunition is sloppiness and a mess!

Well, of course, what suddenly banged during the NWO was just a coincidence with the cruiser too. Like a classic

If anything happened, it was just a pure accident and "God's providence," as the old man Vanichek from Pelhrimov said when he was imprisoned for the thirty-sixth time.

[Michael67]

https://ok.ru/video/2183867994374
In my opinion, Sergei Bodrov is very and definitively right. Don't bark at yours. They'll figure it out. We must help in word and deed.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Michael67

In my opinion, Sergei Bodrov is very and definitively right.

This has already been discussed at VO - since when did Bodrov become a spiritual authority ?! Danila Bagrov is a movie character invented by Balabanov.

Quote: Michael67

Don't bark at yours.

Oh, another "lieutenant Dub"

[sniperino]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote: Michael67

In my opinion, Sergei Bodrov is very and definitively right.

This has already been discussed at VO - since when did Bodrov become a spiritual authority ?! Danila Bagrov is a movie character invented by Balabanov.

Quote: Michael67

Don't bark at yours.

Oh, another "lieutenant Dub"

Lieutenant Oak is also a fictional character, but since you find him on the forum and more than once, it is not clear why it is impossible to find the rightness in the words of Danila Bagrov. I was taught this at school:

Life must be lived so that it is not excruciatingly painful for years spent aimlessly ...

P. Korchagin is a fictional character, though not sucked out of a finger. So why did you decide that Bagrov was not invented from the observations and personal experience of the author of the script, who can express personal thoughts with the words of a hero, not necessarily positive in everything?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: sniperino

why it is impossible to find rightness in the words of Danila Bagrov. I was taught this at school:

The conversation above was not about Danila Bagrov, but about Sergei Bodrov, who played him (unconditionally talented). And who (Bodrov) has never been a role model, and therefore it is somehow ridiculous to refer to his quotes.
It would be nice to read the text carefully before entering into a discussion.

[sniperino]

Quote: Stirbjorn

has never been a role model, and therefore it is somehow ridiculous to refer to his quotes.

It is ridiculous to consider the judgments of only those who are an example for you to follow correct. Although, if a person does not have the ability to independently comprehend judgments, then this is rather sad.
And the Bolsheviks began to pour dirt on "their own" in modern history in the First World War, so that the country would lose in this war, because they were not patriots, and they were looking for their own not among Russian lapotniks and satraps, but in the European organized and numerous working class. They leaked part of RI, hoping to get the whole world. Then the Moscow human rights activists poured dirt on the "Afghans" only because these soldiers and this army were not their own: they were already looking lustfully at the West. With this, the drain of the USSR by the party elite began. Under Stalin, in wartime, such "human rights activists and truth-tellers" were shot like mad dogs. Today, they would like to repeat the situation with the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR in the Russian Federation, but in a timely manner they adopted a law according to which for public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security, you can get five. Even so.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: sniperino

It is ridiculous to consider the judgments of only those who are an example for you to follow correct.

"Schweik" Hasek is a brilliant novel, recognized all over the world and has not lost its relevance to this day. It's ridiculous not to admit it! And the types described in it also exist

Quote: sniperino

maintaining international peace and security, you can get a fiver. Even so.

Agent Bretschneider, for example

“But Pan Bretschneider doesn’t come here anymore?” Schweik asked.
“I’ve been several times,” the innkeeper replied, “she drinks one or two mugs of beer and starts asking me who comes here. Or listening to the visitors talking about football. Every time they see him, they start talking about football. And he is sitting on pins and needles, and look at any moment he will go crazy. During all this time, only one upholsterer from Prichnaya Street fell into his bait.
“In this case, the main thing is training,” remarked Schweik. - And this upholsterer, I suppose, was a blockhead?
“The same as my husband,” the innkeeper answered weepingly. - Bretschneider asked him if he would shoot at the Serbs, he said that he did not know how to shoot, that he was only once in the shooting range and shot the crown there. Then we all heard Pan Bretschneider say, pulling out his notebook: "Another pretty high treason." Then he went out with this upholsterer from Prichnaya Street, who never returned.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: sniperino

Quote: Stirbjorn

has never been a role model, and therefore it is somehow ridiculous to refer to his quotes.

It is ridiculous to consider the judgments of only those who are an example for you to follow correct. Although, if a person does not have the ability to independently comprehend judgments, then this is rather sad.
And the Bolsheviks began to pour dirt on "their own" in modern history in the First World War, so that the country would lose in this war, because they were not patriots, and they were looking for their own not among Russian lapotniks and satraps, but in the European organized and numerous working class. They leaked part of RI, hoping to get the whole world. Then the Moscow human rights activists poured dirt on the "Afghans" only because these soldiers and this army were not their own: they were already looking lustfully at the West. With this, the drain of the USSR by the party elite began. Under Stalin, in wartime, such "human rights activists and truth-tellers" were shot like mad dogs. Today, they would like to repeat the situation with the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR in the Russian Federation, but in a timely manner they adopted a law according to which for public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security, you can get five. Even so.

They started pouring back in the Russo-Japanese War, and not only the Bolsheviks, but also the democratic community as a whole.

[alexey sidykin]

And what does Danila have to do with it ... these are the words of Bodrov himself and not his character.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

And what does Danila have to do with it ... these are the words of Bodrov himself and not his character.

I say that it has nothing to do with it, it’s the opponents between them who don’t see the difference

[alexey sidykin]

The main thing here is the words and who said the tenth thing. I completely agree here. We will criticize and grumble later, but now we need support.

[sniperino]

Quote: Stirbjorn

opponents do not see the difference between them

In vain you are so stubborn. Opponents see the difference between them, but do not make a hard distinction in the truth of statements, depending on who they belong to, because any person can make mistakes, and many still know how to lie. You are behaving like that ensign

- Comrade ensign, do crocodiles fly? - What!? Who told you such bullshit? ... — Comrade major?! And, well, actually, they fly, only low, low!

[svoroponov]

Fires at airfields and in military units, as well as on ships, and not only here, but also a sufficient number abroad - this has always been the case. It’s just that some of this has simply not been covered before, and in the West they are deliberately hushed up like that. Now, due to the special operation, increased attention is being paid to such cases. And the opposing side immediately sends such cases to the enemy in the media as their victory or success. Although in the overwhelming number of cases, these events have nothing to do with them.
In general, everyone needs to understand that during the period of combat work, the likelihood of such cases, including due to negligence and so on, rises sharply. Guessing about the reasons is not worth it, you just have to wait for the report of the Ministry of Defense or the announced results of the investigation. Conspiracy theories should not be spawned.

[Michael67]

Hoarfrost, are you an explosives expert reporting from the scene? ...or from the couch?

[Sergio_7]

My sources in the Crimea told me that this was just negligence and nothing more! Conclusions will be drawn.

[78bor1973]

Choking on what? To the front line 260 km. You are not color blind - you are an alarmist.

[dmi.pris1]

Could "Harpoon", if you're talking about range ..

[PPD]

Harpoon has a maximum range of 280 km, and then one of the versions.
And so much less.

[Aleks2048]

Maybe she's just afraid to call her!

What could be wrong with this reason? Nonsense.
They'll figure it out. In a state that conducts an NWO, an accident while handling ammunition, even a fatal one, is generally nothing to worry about. Even just statistically, its probability is very high and it is impossible to reduce it to zero. If sabotage, then in general, there is nothing so beyond the prohibitively terrible. Sorry, but this is not Beslan and not Nord-Ost. And sabotage did not become widespread, so that, for example, one could talk about the systematically negligent (permanently relaxed) state of persons responsible for security at such facilities. Even the presence of a saboteur in the ranks of the RF Armed Forces in the general mass is at the level of a statistical error. It would be rather surprising that it does not exist.
So don't panic. Everything happens and sometimes even for the first time, but I think the appropriate conclusions will be drawn.

[Bshkaus]

What could be wrong with this reason? Nonsense.
They'll figure it out. In a state that conducts a CBO, an accident while handling ammunition, even fatal

Nonsense, this is when a drunken sergeant Vaska puts on an armor and, shouting "this is a Donbass baby", shoots himself with a pistol, checks the armor, but hits the groin and dies live (see YouTube).
And when the flagship, oil storage facilities, airfields, etc., self-detonate, and with terrifying frequency, this is anything, but not stupidity

[dmi.pris1]

Why be afraid, then? In Sevastopol they were not "afraid", but here they immediately hid? They will figure out what and how much. My opinion is sabotage

[skeptic]

Quote: Sergio_7

Today's explosions in Novofedorivka are yet another reminder of whose Crimea belongs. Because this is Ukraine!

- Irina Vereshchuk, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, wrote on the social network.

Maybe, after each shelling, in Ukraine, clarify that this is the territory of Russia? The main thing is that this is the real truth.

[meandr51]

How scary to live!

[Sergei Dubinkin_2]

this has never happened and here again ................ (Chernomyrdin)

[neworange88]

A hint why they don't tell us everything. In order not to escalate the situation. The less you know, the better you sleep. On the video footage presented, you can see the consequences of a powerful air strike by Russian military aviation. As a result of a high-precision strike, the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdeployment of American troops was literally erased. Video link below.

.According to preliminary data, the video footage was filmed on the territory of the Kharkiv region, where American mercenaries were previously based. However, it is noteworthy that the uniform on the serviceman who got on the video is fully consistent with the uniform used in the American army. This may indicate the fact that we are not talking about mercenaries, but about the full involvement of the US military, especially against the backdrop of current information that US military personnel are in charge of US weapons.

[fighter angel]

Of course they won't tell us anything. But there are some suspicions that our base in Saki came under attack from Amer's high-precision orbital-based weapons. A strike from space orbit, from a combat satellite, a vertical trajectory, hyperspeed in the final section, an adjustment from those sides that hovered over Romania today? Is it possible?

[neworange88]

.Strike from space orbit, from a combat satellite, vertical trajectory, hyperspeed in the final section, adjustment from those sides that hovered over Romania today? Is it possible?

Not in this case, otherwise there would immediately be a powerful explosion, but in today's case it was not.

[shikin]

Impossible. From orbit in a straight line only with a laser beam. There is no such weapon yet. All other material means of destruction will not fly in a straight line. Only along a ballistic trajectory, and for deorbiting they will need to be well slowed down. Yes, and it's impossible to get anywhere

[kebeskin]

It is not for nothing that Steven Seagal is in those places. Get ready to save the world again. And filming a documentary as a cover.))))

[Piramidon]

Quote: fighter angel

Strike from space orbit, from a combat satellite

The Death Star hovers above the Earth.

[svoroponov]

No. Satellites in this area are continuously monitored by means of surveillance of the Russian space forces. And if something came from the side of space, it would be tracked. A strike from space by an American satellite on the territory of Russia is an act of starting a war. They won't go for it.

[meandr51]

No, these are Martians on a tip from the CIA.

[olegff68]

Today, all day, until this incident, in Romania, closer to the border with Ukraine, a bunch of US Air Force aircraft - electronic intelligence, electronic warfare, AWACS, an air tanker, etc., cut into eights. ..... After the incident, they scattered...

[neworange88]

They are trying to predict the answer from our side.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from: neworange88

trying to predict the answer from our side.
Reply
Quote
A complaint

yes gouging

[Bshkaus]

After the incident, they scattered ...

And what is it? I also ran out of nerves for a bottle of beer

[January]

What is the connection between the as yet unexplained cause and the presence of nuclear weapons? Do not explain? Or is it from the category "and also put on a hat ..."?

[Voronezh]

Nobody has canceled sloppiness and ruko.zh.o.post in the armies of the whole world. As with the cruiser, I tend to this version. Mistakes happen during intensive multi-day work ....

[Thrifty]

What, they decided to keep us for stupid? Aren't there too many "bunglings," accidents, "just an emergency" and other coincidences? Someone clearly gives out jambs and simplicity for trifling mistakes, covering his ass! Now, the owner of his word is obliged to keep it, and strike at truly strategic objects such as mo and the general staff of the uk-roina, for starters! !!

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Now, the owner of his word is obliged to keep it, and strike at truly strategic objects such as mo and the general staff of the uk-roina, for starters! !!

Who are you talking about? Who is our master of the word? What beats? Here, in the "capital" of the region, it recently flew in Belgorod neatly right into the center. So what? Where was the answer. Are you talking about some sort of warehouse ...

[Frank Muller]

As Tsar Vodokrut XIV said from the fairy tale "Mary the Artisan": I gave my word, I took it back! It seems that many did not understand that for the authorities - one word more, one less. And try asking. And who demands, and, most importantly, how? The tongue is long, but the arms are short.

[Aleks2048]

Now, the owner of his word is obliged to keep it, and strike at truly strategic objects such as mo and the general staff of the uk-roina, for starters! !!

What in this, shall we say, incident, is so transcendent that it should blow everyone's mind?

Are there too many "bunglings," accidents, "just an emergency" and other coincidences? Someone clearly gives out jambs and simplicity for trifling mistakes, covering his ass!

In general, given the number of people simultaneously working with ammunition, and some of them in a stressful situation, not too many. Of course, someone covers his ass without it, too. “But the average temperature in the hospital is normal.”

[victor50]

Quote: Thrifty

What, they decided to keep us for stupid? Are there too many "bunglings," accidents, "just an emergency" and other coincidences?

I don’t know what happened in this case, but I read that non-combat losses in Afghanistan were very high, almost at the combat level. It was explained by increased nervous tension due to being in the territory where the war is going on.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Thrifty

and strike at truly strategic targets such as mo and the general staff of the uk-roina, for starters! !!

Yeah, and there are such idiots that they sit in their offices and wait for them to be hit ... the man clearly did not serve in the army.

[meandr51]

No, not too much. Usually there are more.

[Skif]

Apparently, they wanted to portray sarcasm? Somehow it turned out to be very ridiculous.

[iouris]

Quote: Normal

The reason has not yet been clarified.

The reason is the hole.
Trishkin caftan.

[Fedor Sokolov]

It is necessary to deliver a nuclear strike on the ruthenians of Volyn and Galicia, we must show power, stop wiping your snot and coming up with excuses.

[sniperino]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

It is necessary to deliver a nuclear strike on the ruthenians of Volyn and Galicia, we must show power, stop wiping your snot and coming up with excuses.

Call an ambulance, read the same text and give your address. They will help you with preventive nuclear waste.

[Dimachrus]

Is there a logical connection between a nuclear power and finding out why?
By your logic, would any other nuclear power immediately find out / voice the reason?

[meandr51]

In the US, it is still not clear why the towers fell. Also a nuclear power... Do you have your own criteria for nuclear powers?

[Himalayan]

If you look at satellite photos, then the plane is in such a glass. That is, this is an earthen rampart, which, figuratively speaking, is higher than the keel of the aircraft and protects the aircraft from mines or bombs that fall next to this caponier, and protects both from fragments and from the blast wave. If something flies from above directly into this caponier, then it is clear that there is no protection. The main thing that we see is just the planes that were in fairly primitive shelters. And at the same time, they were not dispersed over the territory of the entire airfield. That is, they were not in concrete shelters, as is done, for example, at other airfields, where they take this seriously when concrete shelters are built, which at least can protect against some kind of burning fragment.

Eyewitnesses there called a different number of explosions: somewhere, maybe up to ten. But it is clear that the first target was an ammunition depot. And the planes either got damaged as a result of the following strikes, or it was just a scattering of ammunition that detonated, as the Russian Ministry of Defense told us. But in any case, there was no blast wave from one powerful explosion. Each of these planes had to get something burning exploding. This is a unique case when such a quantity of aviation equipment is lost in one day. At the same time, if you evaluate it in financial terms, this is colossal. In fact, this is about half a year of what the Russian defense industry can produce.

[Fluk54]

Red lines, red lines. This situation reminds me of World War II, when the US and British aircraft did not strike at a number of enterprises and infrastructure facilities in Germany, because the capital of these countries was invested there?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Fluk54

This situation reminds me of World War II, when the US and British aircraft did not strike at a number of enterprises and infrastructure facilities in Germany, because the capital of these countries was invested there?

They've been bugging me for a long time! Maybe a blow was struck at the Nikolaev alumina plant - no, Deribaska has 35% there, Motor Sich is working. Did the Chinese ask? "Economy" Kolomoisky also "suffered" in minimal proportions. The bridges across the Dnieper are intact and work daily for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enterprises of the western outskirts are safe and sound, etc. There are vague doubts and questions, not to the General Staff, but to the political leadership of the country!!!

[Gimlet]

Quote: kapitan92

Maybe a blow was struck at the Nikolaev alumina plant - no, Deribaska has 35% there, Motor Sich is working. Did the Chinese ask? "Economy" Kolomoisky also "suffered" in minimal proportions.

Let's assume that the blow would still be delivered to all these objects. Tell me, how would such a strike affect the course of the NWO? How does the work of the Nikolaev alumina plant affect the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? I, anticipating your answer: "taxes, salaries and all that," I will then ask you to attach an analysis of the sources of funding for the Ukrainian army ...
In addition, if by the time of the liberation of Nikolaev, there will be formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and national battalions on alumina, blows will be struck! Do not doubt....

Quote: kapitan92

The bridges across the Dnieper are intact and work daily for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enterprises of the western outskirts are safe and sound, etc.

Yes, there is. However, these same bridges work daily for the civilian population. And for some reason I am sure that the percentage of bridges used by civilians is three times higher than that of the Armed Forces of Ukraine... And as everyone knows, there is not a war with Ukraine - there is a NWO of a certain purposefulness. Bridges are pretty easy to destroy. It will be difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to establish crossings, but feasible. They can even be something like ferry ones.. They can become several times more than the existing bridges... That is, there will be more problems for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but no more. The supply will not stop. But for civilians, the destruction of bridges is a collapse!

Quote: kapitan92

There are vague doubts and questions, not to the General Staff, but to the political leadership of the country!!!

postal, email addresses of the reception of the President and the Government of the Russian Federation in the public domain... What's the problem?

[sniperino]

Quote: Perforator

Quote: kapitan92

There are vague doubts and questions, not to the General Staff, but to the political leadership of the country!!!

postal, email addresses of the reception of the President and the Government of the Russian Federation in the public domain... What's the problem?

If the entire Security Council is signed on kapitan92, then this is superfluous.

[SaLaR]

Shut up.... otherwise they’ll peck ... You can’t say such a thing .. It’s not true It's all fiction ... We have the most patriotic people own Russia....

[Sergei 34]

One person died, but he was not injured during the death. So what?

[Bshkaus]

One person died, but he was not injured during the death. So what?

Vladimir Vladimirovich said: we are like martyrs in paradise, and the rest will die.
Should be jealous.

[2 Level Advisor]

and what was a 13-year-old boy doing there near the warehouse? and 4 more civilians, as they wrote in the TG ..

[Borik]

Level 2 Advisor (Nikolai)
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and what was a 13-year-old boy doing there near the warehouse? and 4 more civilians, as they wrote in the TG

And you do not take into account the scattering of fragments during the detonation of the N-amount of ammunition, the fragments can scatter for several kilometers, unless it was reported that the kid was picked up next to the warehouse. A fragment or some kind of piece of iron could have been thrown by an explosion for a couple of kilometers and hit the kid.

[Aleks2048]

In a previous article on this incident on the same site

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense stated that ammunition exploded at the airfield in the Crimean Saki, no one was injured, the reasons are being established.

On August 15.20, at about XNUMX, on the territory of the Saki airfield near the settlement of Novofedorovka, several aviation ammunition detonated on a bunded storage site. No one was injured in the explosion. Aviation equipment at the airport is not damaged

- said in a statement.

So about the expansion of the fragments is unlikely. The territory is dammed up. And they don't just do it.
However, four civilians and a minor may have suffered from the destruction caused by the shock wave. The previous article also cites the words that frames flew out from the shock wave. On the whole, this is in good agreement with

five victims, one of whom is a minor, a 13-year-old teenager. Their lives are not in danger. One of the victims received moderate injuries, the rest were lightly wounded.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

and what was a 13-year-old boy doing there near the warehouse? and 4 more civilians

I recommend refreshing the memory of the Chebarkul meteorite.

the number of victims of flying debris (primarily glass fragments) caused by a shock wave from a meteoroid in the Chelyabinsk region amounted to 1142 people, 48 of them were hospitalized, including 13 children.

[Gimlet]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

and what was a 13-year-old boy doing there near the warehouse?

And what makes you think that the boy was near the warehouse? Judging by the information from the site, the blast wave broke the windows almost 1 kilometer from the explosion site. Glass shards are very dangerous! Especially when they fall from above or fly into the room.
The blast wave itself is a rather dangerous thing. The 13th teenager could easily be knocked down, hit on something ... It could have been hit with a piece of a torn roof ...

[Leshak]

The loss of ships, the blow to the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, now the airfield - the holiday season is relaxing.

[Bshkaus]

the holiday season is relaxing.

The holiday season, judging by the traffic jams at the exit from the Crimea, was covered with a copper basin

[Albert Brecht]

The ubiquitous traffic jams in Crimea suggest otherwise. And how many ships! And paratroopers, and guards, and support vessels, and airplanes circling above them, - almost like in a parade, beauty!

[Skif]

A season is like a season. A little weaker at first. There was a lack of air communication.
PS The geographical name Crimea is written in Russian with a capital letter.

[Santa Fe]

The holiday season, judging by the traffic jams at the exit from the Crimea, was covered with a copper basin

When the Calibers fly at targets in Slovakia (or Slovenia, there is little difference) in which direction will there be traffic jams? Where will you run

Liberation of Slovakia and Slovenia - let's call the SS operation

[Bshkaus]

When Caliber will fly on targets in Slovakia

I’ll upset you, no calibers will fly to Slovakia for the simple reason that, firstly, there are already few of them, and secondly, Slovakia is a NATO member and if the Russian Federation is fooling around in Ukraine, then in a collision with NATO with conventional weapons, with all my patriotism, Russia will be rolled out quickly and rudely, but you can’t threaten with a nuclear bomb, this is collective suicide, and if it comes to this, then neither evacuation will save me, nor Putin’s bunker, nor you Siberia

[Santa Fe]

but with a nuclear bomb you can

This option suits me completely, I have a family, there is no one to evacuate

It is you who are shaking and afraid to burn

[Alexander Minkin]

Ahh why in Slovakia, it is possible in Ukraine and it has long been time to use tactical nuclear weapons

[Gimlet]

Quote: Bshkaus

if the Russian Federation is so foolish in Ukraine,

Here! The exact definition is precisely "sloppy". He digs out "manure" and other Maidan dirt from all the cracks! This is not even a military special operation - this is sanitization from wickedness!
If there had been a "classic" war, then everything could have been different. Totally, carpet-like, volume-detonating... And only then do we go in for cleaning.
The safety of civilians and the safety of infrastructure is the concern of the side where such events take place.
However, Russia is not at war with Ukraine! That's why it "splurges", preserving as much as possible everything and everyone that is allowed to be saved. But Ukraine, on the contrary, for some reason really wants, for example, to blow up the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant ...

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Bshkaus

I will upset you, no calibers will fly to Slovakia for the simple reason that, firstly, there are already few of them

According to the calculations of NATO, the EU and Ukroland, we ran out of "calibers" back in March

[meandr51]

You will not upset us, we are already accustomed to dill propaganda, continue.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Bshkaus

the holiday season is relaxing.

The holiday season, judging by the traffic jams at the exit from the Crimea, was covered with a copper basin

And in fact, he didn't exist. I was just in Novofedorovka at the end of June-beginning of July, there were very few people, though the weather was so-so, the sea was cold, but the locals say that they don’t remember this.

[Gimlet]

Two weeks ago, he personally drove out of the Crimea through traffic jams ... And before that, for almost a week and a half, he monitored the situation with traffic jams - he tried to "catch" the moment when there were fewer traffic jams in order to slip through without traffic jams. It turned out that you need to leave at night in order to be in time before dinner.
As a result, I still got into an almost 2-hour traffic jam!
Vacationers in Crimea are not that crowded, but I have not seen empty beaches either. It is clear that the "closed sky" + fears about what is happening north of Crimea forced some to cancel their trip to Crimea. At the expense of "covering" the season - chickens are counted in the fall.

[Santa Fe]

At the expense of "covering" the season - chickens are counted in the fall.

The traffic jam has been standing for a day

[Gimlet]

Yes. All right! It's right in front of the bridge. I just stood there for about 40 minutes. All because of the narrowing to one lane and the speed limit at the control post before entering the bridge.
This traffic jam is formed after 13-14 hours - the time when the "mass" departure of vacationers begins (well, it is customary in hotels - the check-out time is 12-14 hours). About the fact that it costs "a day" - do not exaggerate! Go now to the "Yandex.plugs" service and see...

[stankow]

It is quite possible to use the same drone to throw a grenade on the prepared cargo of the Shchurmovik ...

[Adrey]

As the editor-in-chief of the RT agency Margarita Simonyan stated in her Telegram channel, citing sources, the fire impact from Ukraine is excluded, but sabotage could be.

Well, since Simonyan herself said, there are no more questions. Let's go comrades.

[Raven 95]

This is a great reason to gasp from all trunks, even in Kyiv, even in Lvov.
But apparently "the time has not yet come to kill princes (c)"

[spirit]

Well, since Simonyan herself said, there are no more questions. Disperse comrades

I was waiting for comments from the category of DMB: I myself fell from a tree onto an ax But seriously, I think everyone already knows everything. If it was a strike or sabotage, the horses have proof (video / other) that they can post later, and now they are waiting for excuses from our MO about falling on an ax / smoking themselves, so that then hit them in the face with mud. My prediction is that there will be no clear answer from the Ministry of Defense for a couple of days, and no one in their right mind takes Simonyan seriously, that’s why she’s a talking head to make forwards

[Adrey]

Quote: spirit

and no one in their right mind takes Simonyan seriously, that’s why she’s a talking head to make forwards

Did you take my comment seriously?

[spirit]

Did you take my comment seriously?

Naturally!

[Press]

How tired of these lies ....

[meandr51]

And which suits you more? Ukrainian?

[Press]

All. Everyone lies

[Prisoner]

"Today's explosions in Novofedorivka are another reminder of whose Crimea belongs. Because this is Ukraine!" (c) According to this logic, all of Ukraine is RUSSIA.

[tralflot1832]

It is quite possible that the ammunition load, due to the high intensity of use of the airfield, was stored on the ground. According to the airfield plan, the aircraft do not stand in orderly rows near the runway. Parking lots are removed from the runway and spaced apart from each other. And then the commission will figure it out.

[Chronos]

Judging by the fact that unofficially the dill celebrate the victory, and officially their GUR bashfully hides his eyes, but either an accident, or rather sabotage. And the GUR with the rest of the brain perfectly understands what terrorism is doing.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

Judging by the fact that unofficially the dill celebrate the victory, and officially their GUR bashfully hides his eyes, but either an accident, or rather sabotage.

Of course, it would be great if they immediately told everything in detail (and even better, in advance). We would be ready for next time.

[Chronos]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Chronos

Judging by the fact that unofficially the dill celebrate the victory, and officially their GUR bashfully hides his eyes, but either an accident, or rather sabotage.

Of course, it would be great if they immediately told everything in detail (and even better, in advance). We would be ready for next time.

IMHO, but the answer that "the explosion can be used by the Russian side in the information war" speaks for itself.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

IMHO, but the answer that "the explosion can be used by the Russian side in the information war" speaks for itself.

Unfortunately, in this case, the explosion speaks for itself.

[Chronos]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Chronos

IMHO, but the answer that "the explosion can be used by the Russian side in the information war" speaks for itself.

Unfortunately, in this case, the explosion speaks for itself.

Yes, but dill is still afraid to openly admit to violating the rules of war.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

Yes, but dill is still afraid to openly admit to violating the rules of war.

So there is no war? There is SVO.

[Chronos]

The rules and regulations still apply to any combat action.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

The rules and regulations still apply to any combat action.

Will have to repeat. you have already been asked the question - what norms of warfare are violated by an attack or sabotage at an enemy military facility?

[Chronos]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Chronos

The rules and regulations still apply to any combat action.

Will have to repeat. you have already been asked the question - what norms of warfare are violated by an attack or sabotage at an enemy military facility?

Already answered several times.

[stankow]

Alas, not against the "customs of warfare" :(

[runway-1]

From immortal:

You do not understand, this is different!

[The leader of the Redskins]

What rules were broken?

[Chronos]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What rules were broken?

I will answer here for the last time. At least an additional protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 1949. This is offhand. Taking into account that the explosion was made covertly and civilians suffered, which the saboteurs could not help but understand, you can dig up more.

[The leader of the Redskins]

What makes you think that the explosion is secretive? The conclusions of no commission were announced.
And in any case, the work of the DRG (and all their explosions are carried out covertly) is not considered a war crime.
And about civilians a separate conversation. Study UN reports on civilian deaths during the NWO.

[Chronos]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What makes you think that the explosion is secretive? The conclusions of no commission were announced.
And in any case, the work of the DRG (and all their explosions are carried out covertly) is not considered a war crime.
And about civilians a separate conversation. Study UN reports on civilian deaths during the NWO.

That is, the Armed Forces of Ukraine openly laid the VU? Did you come under your own flag? Did you hide your actions? At a minimum, they can be charged with not taking any measures to prevent the death of civilians in the course of sabotage.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Exploded military facility? Military. Were civilians hurt? And why did they find themselves dangerously close to a military facility that is involved in hostilities?

[Chronos]

Quote: Torvlobnor IV

Exploded military facility? Military. Were civilians hurt? And why did they find themselves dangerously close to a military facility that is involved in hostilities?

Why is everyone here so impassable? Blow up the object of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could only be a military unit dressed in the uniform of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is impossible to go unnoticed in the conditions of a densely populated resort area. So they could only be dressed in civilian clothes, which is already a violation and a war crime.

[2 Level Advisor]

the customs of war is what is customary in war .. in which war did saboteurs fundamentally not participate? remember this one? No? it means sabotage is a custom of war .. and you constantly talk about the situation when sabotage is specifically directed against civilians, then a violation .. here in what place, in the case of sabotage, was it initially directed against civilians?

[Chronos]

Read the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocol of 1949. I'm all on this topic, really tired of writing the same thing. Let's just wait until Gavrik is identified and handed over to the court. Unless, of course, an accident is established.

[2 Level Advisor]

listened to you .. opened the protocol 1949 ..
Methods and means of warfare
Article 35
1. In the event of any armed conflict, the right of the parties to the conflict to choose the methods or means of waging war is not unlimited.
2. It is prohibited to use weapons, projectiles, substances and methods of warfare capable of causing unnecessary injury or unnecessary suffering.
3. It is prohibited to use methods or means of warfare that are intended to cause or may be expected to cause extensive, long-term and serious damage to the natural environment.

found this. but I didn’t find a ban on sabotage .. can you tell me where it is written?

[Chronos]

That's exactly what you are quoting - paragraph 2 of Article 35, and most importantly - paragraph 3 of Article 44. And also subparagraph b) of paragraph 5 of Article 51. But it seems that all this does not matter - someone just smoked ...

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, when you smoked, 2 simultaneous explosions (clearly visible on the video) is strange .. so two at a distance at the same time threw bulls into explosives?
but about the convention .. you know .. You are pulling paragraph 2 of Article 35 by the ears, because under it, in general, any weapon other than small arms can be brought .. paragraph 3 of article 44 speaks of combatants saboteurs are simply not combatants - therefore they don’t wear uniforms .. and in general it’s not a fact that saboteurs are officially in the Armed Forces - therefore this does not necessarily apply to them at all ..
subparagraph b) of paragraph 5 of article 51 is perfect for indiscriminate shelling of Donetsk .. and here, a military facility, how it blows is unknown, civilian targets were not planned .. i.e. the intent of damage to civilians is clearly not seen, unlike the shelling of Donetsk ..
those. I don’t see a clear framework defining saboteurs as violators .. and so what .. do you think all spies-saboteurs violate it? well, they are in all countries .. it means that the protocol is not working and no one needs it in this case ..

[Chronos]

What we think doesn't matter. But it looks like the official version will be about "smoked". And if there was a DRG, it's bad, because no one will really look for them. All saboteurs who operate without signs of identification with the aircraft violate additional. Protocol, therefore they are not considered combatants and are liable under the law of the country that detains them. In our case, they will respond as terrorists. Subparagraph b) of paragraph 5 of Article 51 is applicable. Intention is not only direct. In our case, it is indirect - the saboteurs understood that damage to civilians would be caused and deliberately allowed this. At the same time, the damage inflicted on civilians exceeds the damage to a military facility. At least that's how it looks at the moment.

[2 Level Advisor]

Well, about this version, I personally had no doubts from the first minute .. but about the court .. well, yes .. you can pull it up under terrorists, especially if civilians are official .. and so .. I think this is at the discretion of the country that caught it. they can apply / not apply the convention, and especially if they are without a "military", and saboteurs, of course, without him, they can be easily applied ... or they can "slap" during detention .. it all depends on the leadership and its plans. . so everyone is right in their own way, but it all depends on the circumstances ..

[Mikhail Sidorov]

It is quite possible that the ammunition, due to the high intensity of the use of the airfield, was stored on the ground

You reminded me about the fire at the ammunition depot in our Belgorod region on March 29th. And on April 7, it turned out that the cause of the fire was Point.
Oh, I can’t believe it’s a coincidence that the front-line warehouses are burning by accident. Maybe a sabotage or a small drone. And so the investigation will understand you are right.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: tralflot1832

It is quite possible that the ammunition load, due to the high intensity of use of the airfield, was stored on the ground. According to the airfield plan, the aircraft do not stand in orderly rows near the runway. Parking lots are removed from the runway and spaced apart from each other. And then the commission will figure it out.

Plans in our country?

[Santa Fe]

Interest Ask

Is it safer for vacationers and tourists to stay in Crimea or evacuate across the Crimean bridge?

[tralflot1832]

They have already made a choice and returned to the beaches, nothing to scare our tourist. Checked. They have a motto: I have a vacation, but you all go away.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

nothing to scare our tourist. Checked. They have a motto: I have a vacation, but you all go away.

Our tourist is different. And if something happens... RUSSIA where are you? get us out of here ... but quickly ... we already knew everything ....

[tralflot1832]

And this too, Hooligans deprive of sight! What was there in India in the Cavid era.

[Nastia makarova]

why evacuate?

[Gimlet]

Quote: Santa Fe

Is it safer for vacationers and tourists to stay in Crimea or evacuate across the Crimean bridge?

Vacationers and tourists are safer not to panic!
Why did you have such a question? Are you currently in Crimea?
What happened that made you interested in the safety of tourists from all over Crimea? Do you always and everywhere care about the safety of vacationers? Are you a member of the Ministry of Emergency Situations?

[YarSer88]

I'll go there on the weekend, I'll see for myself, oh, I can't believe that it's on its own

[Bshkaus]

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine cannot determine the cause of the fire, but once again reminds us of the fire safety rules and the ban on smoking in unspecified places ... Along the way, we note that cotton clothing is very hygienic. Keep calm and trust the Armed Forces of Ukraine!",

On the part of Ukraine, this is just an outright mockery ...
I did not immediately understand what the cotton clothes had to do with it, then I screwed up: this is a subtle allusion to the oiled overalls of a mechanic who worked with KKO on board the aircraft.

[Chronos]

Quote: Bshkaus

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine cannot determine the cause of the fire, but once again reminds us of the fire safety rules and the ban on smoking in unspecified places ... Along the way, we note that cotton clothing is very hygienic. Keep calm and trust the Armed Forces of Ukraine!",

On the part of Ukraine, this is just an outright mockery ...
I did not immediately understand what the cotton clothes had to do with it, then I screwed up: this is a subtle allusion to the oiled overalls of a mechanic who worked with KKO on board the aircraft.

For a long time, a rocket has been crying for terrorists from the GUR. And following Azov, recognize it as a terrorist organization. , they can’t even take responsibility, they cowardly yelp like jackals. After all, they know that they violate everything that is possible.

[Bshkaus]

After all, they know that they violate everything that is possible.

Let's be honest, what did they violate by hitting a military facility during the war, except by creating a cognitive dissonance in the perverse logic of patriots who believe that the enemy has no right to fight back?

[Chronos]

Quote: Bshkaus

After all, they know that they violate everything that is possible.

Let's be honest, what did they violate by hitting a military facility during the war, except by creating a cognitive dissonance in the perverse logic of patriots who believe that the enemy has no right to fight back?

Easily. While there are no facts confirming the missile attack, we take the version from the DRG. Does anyone believe that the GUR special forces made their way to Novofedorivka, dressed in uniform, with all the insignia of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Change into civilian clothes? Well, here we are. In addition, civilians were injured as a result of the explosion. So they are terrorists. And if the goal was to achieve panic among the population ... And the GUR understands this, and therefore mows down like fools.

[Bshkaus]

Easily. While there are no facts confirming the missile strike, we take the version from the DRG. Does anyone believe that the GUR special forces made their way to Novofedorivka, dressed in uniform, with all the insignia of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

The fact that the possibility of a missile attack or diversion does not fit in your head is solely your personal problem.
The position "this cannot be because because" is just a kindergarten.

In addition, civilians were injured as a result of the explosion. So they are terrorists

In Vinnitsa, during a missile attack on the headquarters, where a meeting of Ukrainian and Western senior officers was held, a two-year-old girl who was passing by with her mother also accidentally died. According to your logic, Russian troops are also terrorists?

And if the goal was to achieve panic among the population

The offensive of the Russian army and attacks on the infrastructure of Kyiv in the first days of the war also had the goal of forcing the Ukrainian army and the population to stop the resistance, as Putin personally spoke about, offering to lay down their arms, then what?
It’s kind of stupid to demand from the enemy in a war that he doesn’t do what is not profitable for you.
Of all that you have listed, there is no crime anywhere and is the norm for war.
Do you know what the biggest joke is? Every second participant loses the war, despite the fact that he planned to win, something like this

[House 25 Sq. 380]

In Vinnitsa, during a missile attack on the headquarters, where a meeting of Ukrainian and Western senior officers was held, a two-year-old girl who was passing by with her mother also accidentally died. According to your logic, Russian troops are also terrorists?

And what did the Ukrainian and Western media write about this?

[Chronos]

Quote: Bshkaus

Easily. While there are no facts confirming the missile strike, we take the version from the DRG. Does anyone believe that the GUR special forces made their way to Novofedorivka, dressed in uniform, with all the insignia of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

The fact that the possibility of a missile attack or diversion does not fit in your head is solely your personal problem.
The position "this cannot be because because" is just a kindergarten.

In addition, civilians were injured as a result of the explosion. So they are terrorists

In Vinnitsa, during a missile attack on the headquarters, where a meeting of Ukrainian and Western senior officers was held, a two-year-old girl who was passing by with her mother also accidentally died. According to your logic, Russian troops are also terrorists?

And if the goal was to achieve panic among the population

The offensive of the Russian army and attacks on the infrastructure of Kyiv in the first days of the war also had the goal of forcing the Ukrainian army and the population to stop the resistance, as Putin personally spoke about, offering to lay down their arms, then what?
It’s kind of stupid to demand from the enemy in a war that he doesn’t do what is not profitable for you.
Of all that you have listed, there is no crime anywhere and is the norm for war.
Do you know what the biggest joke is? Every second participant loses the war, despite the fact that he planned to win, something like this

Your love for dill is understandable. Again. Does anyone really believe that in the Crimea, in the resort area, a division of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can operate, which is unambiguously externally identified as a division of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and go unnoticed? Then blessed is he who believes. All other methods of committing sabotage are prohibited, whether one likes it or not. Persons who committed covert sabotage, not being in uniform with insignia, are not combatants. And the law classifies such actions as a form of terrorism. It will not work to compare with the missile strikes of the RF Armed Forces: the enemy still has the opportunity to turn on the warning systems and evacuate civilians. Moreover, the MO warned about some strikes in advance. The laying and detonation of explosive devices at a military facility in the vicinity of civilians and detonation during the day, when there are especially many people around, clearly indicates a deliberate failure to take measures to minimize damage to the civilian population. The GUR knows this very well, so no one officially yells about the victory. The fact that dill act in such a way that there are no rules for warfare for them has long been seen. It's just another little episode.

[agoran]

AV specialists can't contact KKO in any way.

[Adrey]

Quote: Bshkaus

I did not immediately understand what the cotton clothes had to do with it, then I screwed up: this is a subtle allusion to the oiled overalls of a mechanic who worked with KKO on board the aircraft

I would think three times before they believe it. Veiledly sign - "we have nothing to do with it"? Do gentlemen take their word for it?

[solar]

I didn’t immediately understand what the cotton clothes had to do with it ...

I think it's a play on words - clap and clap.
At one time, reports of explosions were reported this way.

A loud bang, similar to the sound of an explosion of medium strength, was heard by eyewitnesses in Belgorod, it was heard in the center of the city ....

at about eight in the evening in Belgorod, in the Vezelka area on the Left Bank, a loud bang and a bright flash of light were heard

Loud pops are heard in Belgorod and surrounding areas, RIA Novosti correspondent reports from the scene.

[james]

Ask for rudeness, but as they say: "Crap yourself + wrap around, just don't get the red line dirty."

[Sergey3]

"Fire impact is excluded," how we like to lie. The cruiser Moskva also fainted and drowned without fire impact. What else should the enemies do so that ours would confess to the fire impact of a third party? Campaign that they would hit right on the Kremlin in Moscow, but it will be so if you continue to turn your tail.

[Third district]

Quote: Sergey3

Fire impact is excluded, "how they like to lie with us. The cruiser Moscow also fainted and drowned without fire impact. What else should the enemies do so that ours would confess to the fire impact by a third party?

The catastrophe with the nuclear submarine Kursk and the Tu-154 with the Alexandrov choir are also in this row.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

We will wait for an explanation from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief regarding this extraordinary incident. I am sure he will calm the masses of the excited people.

[Sergey3]

Those. lie?! Just watched the video of the explosions, two very powerful explosions happened at the same time at a sufficient distance from each other. Something painfully strange all this, is it really from space that they set it on fire with something? At the same time, our ally Cuba caught fire at the second tank farm. I suspect that it is necessary to calculate the courses of space objects and see if their positions coincide with the explosions here and in Cuba.

[Frank Muller]

So he reassures us all the way, starting from the beginning of the CBO: "Everything is going according to plan!" Maybe this is also part of the "plan"? In any case, I have no doubt that it fits very well into the actions of the GUR and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[agoran]

Tex, gentlemen.
In the old days, "paper" was brought up, an S-24 was dropped at one airfield, the d-l worked, it left on the concrete road, jumped the runway, ran into an obstacle, the engine burned out.
A commission arrived, with a representative of the manufacturer.
Conclusion of the commission: during the fall, the destruction of the solid-propellant fuel took place, due to the high temperature of the ambient air, the static electricity. led to the ignition of the engine.
Second.
Before the start of flights, the entire BC, according to the planned table, is brought from warehouses to the end of the CZT. Well, it's in the IBA. At this airfield, it is quite the right decision to unload in the bunding.
My opinion is that most likely something went wrong with the unloading.

[hohol95]

But quietly passed this news -
LENTA.RU
"... on the evening of August 8 hh
Four teenagers 15-16 years old from the Tambukan farm wandered into the National Guard training ground during a walk. It is specified that the territory was not fenced and not guarded. In one of the pits they found dozens of anti-personnel grenades, started playing with them and took eight rounds of ammunition with them.

Near the playground, teenagers began to dismantle the grenades: they poured gunpowder from the weapon and set it on fire. Then one of the grenades was thrown into the fire.

There was an explosion, as a result of which two 11-year-old brothers passing by were injured. The children were hospitalized in a hospital in Pyatigorsk with wounds to the neck, head, arms and legs.
Rosgvardia claims -
"They noted that the incident took place in an unguarded and unfenced area that does not belong to the National Guard. The grenades found by teenagers are not in service with the North Caucasian District of the agency's troops."

[petrol cutter]

And what is the connection between the explosion of air ammunition in warehouses and the kids somewhere ....... some grenades ....

[hohol95]

Ammunition and negligence of officials.
That's all connections.

[Chronos]

Quote: Petrol cutter

And what is the connection between the explosion of air ammunition in warehouses and the kids somewhere ....... some grenades ....

Apparently it shows how easy it is to detonate ammunition at our military bases.

[petrol cutter]

Krenovo are serving gentlemen-comrades.
I understand it's hot. But who ever cared. We also have a warm atmosphere at Feodosia, however, we work without any excesses in production.

[RoTTor]

Definitely: DIVERSION OF WESTERN SPECIAL SERVICES:
information + excellent photos and videos of explosions in the Western media and news agency appeared EARLIER than in Ukrainian.
However, the Ukrainians have attributed the laurels to themselves.
Whether it will be even closer to the "independence day" on August 24 ...
Only - a crushing preemptive strike, so that it was disrespectful.

[kventinasd]

Yes, the outskirts "expert" Zhdanov now inadvertently admitted at Feigin that these were Harpoons launched from the Odessa region, and to which the Americans again gave target designation (these missiles can also hit ground targets), but our military, with the stubbornness of capricorns, will only defend to the last your version.

[ALMO]

Harpoons, that's unlikely. The flight of a subsonic anti-ship missile, with so many people on the beach, would not have gone unnoticed.

[hangar200]

Hmm ... Even a lightning strike as a random factor is a very, very relative statement) ... Inclement weather, a thunderstorm are quite objective prerequisites for an object to ignite on earth ... Combat operations during NWO are akin to inclement weather) So " accidental ignition" at a sensitive facility raises not at all vague doubts ... Heat, fatigue of personnel, psycho-emotional overstrain are not the cause of "spontaneous combustion" ... In autumn there will be slush and rain, in winter it will be cold and unpleasant wind ... But these are, as it were, trifles .. The speed with which the preliminary results of the cause of the explosions in Novofedorovka were made public ... They have not subsided yet, and the VO public already has reasons to publish their assumptions and "expert assessments" ... The event was extraordinary and any haste from all sides completely unnecessary.. Haste is needed in other matters, everyone knows this) ... Now I mean the quality and depth of the investigation of the state of emergency. In half a day, publishing "preliminary results" is a dubious necessity ... Although ... first of all, the bulk must be calmed ... And, probably, this is right ..

[GNM]

a week earlier, a picture of the airfield was taken by the American satellite company Maxar. The Russian portal Mash claims that she is connected to the Pentagon.

An interesting article "The cause of the emergency at the Saki airfield, the detention of the Nazi Kraken and Steven Seagal's meeting with the prisoners" https://cont.ws/@voenkorr/2349449

Here are pictures from the Ukrainians of the Nitki airfield. Note. They were made this MORNING.
Maksarov satellites do not fly over this place every day, if that. Too many matches.

Here's what they could get:

[Chronos]

Quote: GNM

a week earlier, a picture of the airfield was taken by the American satellite company Maxar. The Russian portal Mash claims that she is connected to the Pentagon.

An interesting article "The cause of the emergency at the Saki airfield, the detention of the Nazi Kraken and Steven Seagal's meeting with the prisoners" https://cont.ws/@voenkorr/2349449

Here are pictures from the Ukrainians of the Nitki airfield. Note. They were made this MORNING.
Maksarov satellites do not fly over this place every day, if that. Too many matches.

Here's what they could get:

The harpoon is not a ballistic missile, it should have been on video. In addition, there are doubts that dill was supplied with harpoons with a range of more than 250 km.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Do you want them to draw 21 years old or August 11, 2022 in these pictures?))

[kill the fascist]

With a high probability of negligence / bungling / sloppiness, or less likely to be sabotage. I don’t understand why the troops were “all lost”? Even if it was a strike by an UAV or the same chimera (won't shoot), what's wrong? In war as in war. You answer blow for blow. And correct mistakes, if any.

[north 2]

all instructions and charters are written in blood. Somewhere something similar happened once and then something was written in the instructions and it is forbidden to do this. But there are still plenty of empty pages for instructions, and after another incident, it may become clear that so far this or that has not been taken into account and a new page will appear in the instructions and charters about what is forbidden to do. The Naval Charter is also written in blood and, perhaps, after the tragedy with the cruiser "Moskva" a new page will appear in the Naval Charter.
Well, if all the same, these are sabotage. Especially, perhaps, today in Saki. Probably counterintelligence and the FSB
at such a present time, they must bear responsibility and be vigilant at the same level as air defense and strategic nuclear forces. And if you consider that in nat. the battalions and the SBU are full of Russians, and since 2014 they have been going to Crimea and moving to and from them, then during this time the Nazis of Ukraine there could have had such a network of sleeping saboteurs that it would not seem like it.
Such a time, but SMERSH has not yet been revived! By the way, is the Special Department with special officers in the military unit now revived in the Russian army. Although ... special officers in the Soviet Army overlooked not only Belenko and Sablin, but also Commander-in-Chief Gorbachev. Stalin's SMERSH did not allow such punctures ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: North 2

all instructions and charters are written in blood. Somewhere something similar happened once and then something was written in the instructions and it is forbidden to do this. But there are still plenty of empty pages for instructions, and after another incident, it may become clear that so far this or that has not been taken into account and a new page will appear in the instructions and charters about what is forbidden to do. The Naval Charter is also written in blood and, perhaps, after the tragedy with the cruiser "Moskva" a new page will appear in the Naval Charter.
Well, if all the same, these are sabotage. Especially, perhaps, today in Saki. Probably counterintelligence and the FSB
at such a present time, they must bear responsibility and be vigilant at the same level as air defense and strategic nuclear forces. And if you consider that in nat. the battalions and the SBU are full of Russians, and since 2014 they have been going to Crimea and moving to and from them, then during this time the Nazis of Ukraine there could have had such a network of sleeping saboteurs that it would not seem like it.
Such a time, but SMERSH has not yet been revived! By the way, is the Special Department with special officers in the military unit now revived in the Russian army. Although ... special officers in the Soviet Army overlooked not only Belenko and Sablin, but also Commander-in-Chief Gorbachev. Stalin's SMERSH did not allow such punctures ...

About Stalin's SMERSH ...
You are simply a populist and do not know history at all.
Surnames Trukhin, Boyarsky, Malyshkin, Zakutny, Artsezo, Blagoveshchensky, Zhilenkov - you have never even heard of it in your life. And they were generals.
And there was another general, Vlasov, surname.
Stalin times.
And SMERSH was.
So don't talk about what you don't know.

[Hariton laptev]

Kommersant newspaper sources suggest that the explosions could have occurred due to accidental ignition during fuel loading.
Yes, yes, yes, the short-sighted bungler accidentally dropped the lens from his eye, it fell into a small puddle of fuel and and iii and the whole sun made a diversion.

[Simple]

I would check any voluntary assistance that can be brought into the territory of a sensitive facility.
A civilian "radeyka" that got on board an aircraft is already a violation of T.V ..

[Taoist]

My native airfield .... The saddest thing is that if it hit the old warehouses of "art weapons" (and there is nothing else there). The town must have been badly damaged.

[Albert Brecht]

And what kind of ice cream is being made there now! "Clean Line" was not even close, I love and melt like Snegurlska

[km-21]

Most likely there was a sabotage. There were several explosions, but they occurred independently of each other and looked like a synchronized detonation of several devices in different places. In appearance, the explosions are not similar to high-explosive fragmentation-shell. They are more like an atmospheric explosion of fuel vapors. Such a picture may arise if an aerial bomb suspended from a fueled aircraft detonated. I would like to be mistaken, but with such a picture, one should recognize a successful enemy attack with the destruction of several aircraft.

[DIM (a)]

I think you are right, it is very similar to an atmospheric gust of a flammable substance.

[kig]

In Moscow, officially if, there was also a fire.

[kig]

The WarZone publication, which was already mentioned here, promptly responded to reports of explosions https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-airbase-in-crimea-erupts-in-massive-explosions. In short, they sort through various possibilities there, agree that the airfield is beyond the reach of known Ukrainian weapons, hint at the events of August 1 in Sevastopol, and were not even too lazy to order a satellite image from Planet Labs:

I will not comment, otherwise I will inadvertently discredit something Just one explanation: the top right inset shows what they believe is a Tu-134UBL. It is not clear why they singled it out - it is worth it and worth it.

[odometer]

To be stunned by some kind of TP Simonyan allows himself to draw conclusions already ... "Fathers ahead ..." She was the one who stood up for a nuclear strike ... With such chief editors, the failure of the Kremlin's propaganda to the West is understandable ... Hmm, something is wrong in kingdom...

[Pavel57]

Resting near a military facility is not very reasonable. There is always a risk.

[sagitovich]

The end of summer, the beginning of autumn, the period of mass vacations, the period of man-made disasters and accidents. Human factor.

[north 2]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: North 2

all instructions and charters are written in blood. Somewhere something similar happened once and then something was written in the instructions and it is forbidden to do this. But there are still plenty of empty pages for instructions, and after another incident, it may become clear that so far this or that has not been taken into account and a new page will appear in the instructions and charters about what is forbidden to do. The Naval Charter is also written in blood and, perhaps, after the tragedy with the cruiser "Moskva" a new page will appear in the Naval Charter.
Well, if all the same, these are sabotage. Especially, perhaps, today in Saki. Probably counterintelligence and the FSB
at such a present time, they must bear responsibility and be vigilant at the same level as air defense and strategic nuclear forces. And if you consider that in nat. the battalions and the SBU are full of Russians, and since 2014 they have been going to Crimea and moving to and from them, then during this time the Nazis of Ukraine there could have had such a network of sleeping saboteurs that it would not seem like it.
Such a time, but SMERSH has not yet been revived! By the way, is the Special Department with special officers in the military unit now revived in the Russian army. Although ... special officers in the Soviet Army overlooked not only Belenko and Sablin, but also Commander-in-Chief Gorbachev. Stalin's SMERSH did not allow such punctures ...

About Stalin's SMERSH ...
You are simply a populist and do not know history at all.
Surnames Trukhin, Boyarsky, Malyshkin, Zakutny, Artsezo, Blagoveshchensky, Zhilenkov - you have never even heard of it in your life. And they were generals.
And there was another general, Vlasov, surname.
Stalin times.
And SMERSH was.
So don't talk about what you don't know.

being a true populist, you don't call others that, and then you won't be told where to go...
And your populism lies in the fact that Stalin's SMERSH was created only in 1943, and all the generals you mentioned betrayed their oath and the Motherland in 1941-1942. That is, before the creation of Stalin's SMERSH. So, who among us is trying, we still have to look at it.

[Chronos]

There was no Stalinist SMERSH, but its future chief, Abakumov, was already at the head of special departments.

[Bagatur]

We don't have censorship. It is clearly visible that this is not a SAMOPAL! The guests have come...

[Uprun]

It happens in the army. Served in ZabVO 1989-1991 after college as a lieutenant, in just 2 years in the regiment was:
- fire of the fuel and lubricants warehouse, no losses;
- a tank with combat packing burned down, he himself took part in extinguishing, after the first explosion of a projectile (sub-caliber) the entire fire brigade 100 m crawling ...., without loss;
- the hangar of a repair platoon with 8 vehicles (Zil, Kamaz ...) burned down without loss;
- extinguished a KShM based on GAZ 66 at a fuel station along with a changing of the guard, extinguished ..., without loss;
- there was a shootout for 1,5 hours between the sentry and the guard on guard against the background of interethnic disagreements, one wounded - the guard;
- after the crossbow of the sentry in step with the changing of the guard, he crawled 300 m to the warrior, he shot one and a half horns single .... already on the sides ...., one wounded - sentry;
- the KShM at the Gaz 66 base burned down after an accident, they returned from the exercises ...., without loss.
And this is only for 2 years in one regiment ..... It's hard to believe, she was such a SA .... she was. I think that such emergencies have become much less common, but still ....

[Kesha1980]

2004 - explosives brigade in the implementation of CTO - 13 cases of careless handling of weapons. So often at the briefings they brought the information that I remember. There were, are and will be "sacred" RRRs in any army, especially a warring army.

[CYM]

Quote: Cottodraton

It is possible that the object is guarded so-so and roam there too - who wants to.

A military airfield, especially with settlements nearby, is very difficult for reliable protection, with conventional forces and means, an object. I will refrain from describing vulnerabilities, but there are plenty of them. Not necessarily the perpetrators of the state of emergency are outsiders / saboteurs, among the employees of the airfield there are always enough of their slobs / idiots. I will never forget how the FAB-500, in the back of KRAZ, where I was driving, at the turn, thoroughly crushes zinc with fuses ... The accompanying ensign simply did not think that zinc was worth taking into the cockpit. And there are a lot of similar cases, but not all of them are fatal and are made public.

[RoTTor]

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine stated that it could not establish the cause of the fire in Novofedorovka

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/08/9/7362575/

[wladimirjankov]

If the drone was able to drop a bomb on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet, then it could easily be on the airfield. Around slovenliness, relaxation and indifference. Especially in the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet. The safety of the Crimean bridge is starting to cause concern. Isn't it time to take organizational measures to the command of the Black Sea Fleet and the leadership of the Crimea. For the ruined cruiser Moscow and the BDK Saratov alone, this should have been done. Nothing good can be expected from them.

[Osiris]

It is necessary to introduce martial law on all adjacent territories bordering Ukraine

[Osiris]

Another puncture after the loss of the Moskva GRK, which plays into the hands of the enemy, is unforgivable for the command of the Aerospace Forces and for the RF Ministry of Defense.

[meandr51]

It is a little unclear why bombs and tanks are not stored in pits at least 3 meters deep.

[77alex77]

Otherwise, the beautiful marquise is fine, everything is fine ......

[Dedok]

The headline made me happy:

Some details of the explosions in the Saki region of Crimea announced

from the title you might think that the gas cylinders of moonshiners exploded in the Saki district ...
how much can you "hide your head in the sand"?
so it's all up and running?

[Hamman]

On other sites I saw a photo from an American satellite, I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I want to say something else. 1980, something was sprayed over Moscow to disperse the clouds, that's what I remembered. Is it really impossible to use something similar in such places as a military airfield in the event of an emergency, so that enemy satellites could not see anything? I am sure our scientists are able to come up with something like upper smoke at a height of 5-6 km.

[Ivan177]

".... Is it really impossible to use something similar in such places as a military airfield in the event of an emergency, so that enemy satellites could not see anything? ....." --- no need to invent-invent anything, everything has long been invented - concrete caponiers-hangars, and there are a lot of such abandoned military airfields with concrete-block caponiers in the Russian Federation!

The question is different - knowing that this military airfield in Saki in the area of ​​​​reaching rocket fire from Kuev - only 269 km from Odessa to the Saki airfield, and knowing that NATO satellites are constantly hanging over Dill and the border territory of the Russian Federation like this openly to keep military combat aircraft - this is just criminal negligence of the command!

Didn't we have enough of the "drowned" missile cruiser Moskva to understand that it was necessary to hide combat aircraft standing in open parking lots in concrete hangars - that they were the first targets for missiles?
We did not have enough shelling from the Khaimars of the Antonovsky Bridge and the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka to assess and understand the capabilities of the Khaimars?

[Mitia68]

Smoking is extremely harmful. To ban it in the Crimea in general.

[Beloemigrant]

soglasen no ne tolko w Krymu wo wsej RF car Iwan Groznyj zapretil i dla torgaszy tabakom nakazane wwel tolko zabyl kakoe dla kurilszczikow kakoje dla torgaszy

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Hoarfrost

dear Kyiv partners?

nadejus eto izdewatelstwo

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from waleri777

Americans created a wunderwaffle

eto izdewka ili nizkopoklonstwo pered USA konkretno swoju pozycju wyjawite

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Michael67

We must help in word and deed.

i bditelnostjoj bditelne i sotrudniczajuszcze z kem polozeno naselenje koszmar razwedczikow i diwersantow

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: CYM

didn't think

awtor instrukcji toze ne podumal woznozno nadejalsa szto durakow w armju ne puskajut a moze iz perepoja prapor reszil pokonczit z soboj

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: CYM

accompanying warrant officer

wowsem takom w moje wremena wojennaprokuratura rozberalas itogi w tribunal szli prigoworit mogli soldata szto na poste czasowego sklada awjacji WMS kuril Bezsroczno w durdom otprawili jemu powezlo mogli wyszku dat

[Beloemigrant]

Quote from uprun

1989-1991

neudiwitelno w imperatorskoj armi bylo ludsze aw WS Generalissimusa Stalina sztatnoj osobist w kazdom polku za takoj bardak nakazywali kazdyj czp iz etich polozeno bylo razsledowat itogi wojenprokuroru naprawit a jemu dorabotat i obwinitelnyj akt soczinja t tribunal rozobralsa = prigowor

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: bagatura

We have no censorship

zakonnowo gosudarstwennego net czastnyj jest mne kak ja dodumalsa za otsustwe politkorrektnosti bez nikakich argumentow i odsylki k prawilam sajta zapretili komentirowat na sajtetopcor.ru jeszczo ne rozobralsa kakije zakonnyje wozmoznosti.u lic kotorych prawa na swobodu slowa i wzgljadow uszemlene one iw Konstytucji RF w konwenji ONZ kotoroj stronoj jest RF

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: north 2

And SMERSH was.

ne walajte bezumnogo poka Smersza ne bylo byli osobisty daze ipolitrabotniki objazany byli za licznym sostawom sledit iz za nebditelnosti ich nakazywali+ iskluczali iz WKPb

[Beloemigrant]

Quote: Hoarfrost

PREVIOUSLY KNOWN systems

neizwesnyje, zasekreczene ili opytnoje prototipy ne ukropiteckije GB USA Japonja Izrael i drugije