The destroyer of the state security system of the USSR

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The last head of the KGB of the USSR, Vadim Bakatin, passed on a number of our secrets to the United States and carried out such a “reform” of the once omnipotent department, after which the State Security Committee was divided into several independent special services, completely disorganized and could not resist the collapse of the Union.

Head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR


The last head of the KGB of the USSR Vadim Viktorovich Bakatin was born on November 6, 1937 in the city of Kiselevsk, Novosibirsk Region (now Kemerovo). His father was a mining engineer, his mother was a surgeon. Vadim in 1960 graduated from the hydrotechnical faculty of the Novosibirsk Civil Engineering Institute. V. V. Kuibyshev, specialty "civil engineer". In 1985 he studied at the Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CC CPSU).



Bakatin began his career in Kuzbass. Here he worked in the construction department and "Kemerovokhimstroy" (foreman, foreman, head of the construction site, chief engineer), was the secretary of the Kemerovo city committee and the regional committee of the CPSU. In 1983, Vadim Bakatin came to the attention of the head of the Department of Organizational and Party Work of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the future member of the Politburo Yegor Ligachev (one of the initiators and organizers of "perestroika"), after which Bakatin's career took off. He was transferred to Moscow.

Until 1985, Bakatin was an inspector of the department of organizational and party work of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Then he was sent to the post of First Secretary of the Kirov Regional Committee of the CPSU, which he held until May 1987. In 1986-1991 he was a member of the CPSU Central Committee, since 1986 he was a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. From March 1990 to September 1991, Bakatin was a member of the Presidential Council of the USSR. From March 1991 he was a member of the Security Council under the President of the USSR.

From October 21, 1988 to December 1, 1990, he headed the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. He was awarded the rank of lieutenant general of the internal service. He was Gorbachev's man in the power structures (first the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then the KGB), as opposed to the possible opposition of the generals. Bakatin pursued Gorbachev's course towards decentralization and democratization. The Union Ministry of Internal Affairs transferred great powers to the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Union republics.

Under Bakatin, crime statistics were declassified for the first time. The agent network of informants was destroyed, which worsened the ability of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to combat the growing organized crime. In September 1990, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs became a member of Interpol. Under Bakatin, the creation of special police units (OMON) continued, and the police were armed with rubber batons, which the people gained the nickname "democratizers."

Interestingly, Bakatin lost his post as head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs due to being too democratic. He rejected attempts to use the Ministry of Internal Affairs and OMON to suppress unrest in the Baltics. When in November 1990 Bakatin refused to disperse a demonstration of Democrats on Red Square in Moscow, Gorbachev called him a coward. However, he retained his position in Gorbachev's team.

On June 12, 1991, Bakatin was nominated for the post of President of the RSFSR and received 6 million votes. In his election program, he advocated the preservation of the USSR, considering the RSFSR as the main system-forming component of the Union, was in favor of the transition to the market, but without "shock therapy".

Dismantling the KGB


During the GKChP, Bakatin spoke out against the state of emergency. After the failure of the State Emergency Committee and the arrest of the former head of the KGB Kryuchkov, at the suggestion of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, Bakatin was instructed to head the KGB of the USSR, to reorganize and reform it. From August 23 to October 22, 1991, Vadim Bakatin served as chairman of the USSR State Security Committee. He carried out a purge of the KGB from supporters of the State Emergency Committee, many professionals left on their own, helped others. A “reform” was also carried out with the division of the department into a number of independent structures created on the basis of the KGB departments. First of all, the KGB was deprived of its military component - the special forces were transferred to the subordination of the Soviet army.

The First Main Directorate of the KGB of the USSR (foreign intelligence - SVR) became an independent department. It is worth noting that foreign intelligence is still lucky. It was headed by Yevgeny Primakov, who saved the best personnel from the defeat. The 9th Directorate of the KGB of the USSR, which was responsible for the protection of the first persons of the state, was transferred directly to the President of the USSR and became the Security Directorate under the Office of the President of the USSR (the future FSO). The complex of departments responsible for government communications, encryption and electronic intelligence was withdrawn from the KGB. On their basis, the Government Communications Committee under the President of the USSR (the future FAPSI) was created. The Border Troops, which became an independent structure, were withdrawn from the subordination of the Committee.

This "reform" finally undermined the KGB's potential to counter the collapse of the USSR. The state security system was finished off.

After the liquidation of the all-Union KGB, Bakatin headed the Inter-Republican Security Service (MSB) created on its basis, and was its chairman from November 6, 1991. On December 19, 1991, shortly after the liquidation of the USSR, by decree of the President of the RSFSR Boris Yeltsin, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, the Federal Security Agency of the RSFSR and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR were merged into the Ministry of Security and Internal Affairs, headed by Viktor Barannikov. On December 23, Yeltsin, at a meeting with Bakatin, informed him of his removal from office. He was officially released from his post as head of the SME on January 15, 1992.

In 1992, he published a book with the loud title "Getting rid of the KGB." But over time, Vadim Viktorovich began to evaluate his activities in 1991 much more modestly, blaming everything on the higher authorities. In particular, he noted that Yeltsin was pushing through the option of the complete liquidation of the KGB, the dismissal of all employees and the recruitment of new personnel into a completely new structure. And his version of the reorganization of the KGB "was a variant of reform, not destruction." That is, the KGB was defeated, "reformed" and "optimized", but the basis was preserved, albeit in different special services.

Further, Bakatin worked in various near-political and business structures. Died July 31, 2022.

Surrender of Soviet secrets


Bakatin rendered a huge service to America by handing over to US Ambassador to the USSR James Collins in December 1991, as a goodwill gesture from Moscow, wiretapping schemes for the new complex of buildings of the American embassy in the capital. Bakatin never made excuses when he was accused of betrayal for passing secrets to the Americans. In fact, it was the will of the country's top leadership.

The head of the Federal Security Agency of the RSFSR, V.V. Ivanenko, recalled this in 2011:

“He passed the system without consulting with professionals ... Bakatin later said that he coordinated this step with both presidents (USSR and RSFSR), he had a letter with their visas ... for the KGB officers it was a blow. To hand over the holy of holies - the technique of eavesdropping in the embassy, ​​if not an enemy, then a competitor! Bakatin justified himself: they say, the Americans knew about it anyway. Nothing like this! There was applied a completely new technology. The elements of the sound-conducting system were walled up in bricks. We received them from foreign suppliers. It was know-how. They were built by foreign contractors whom the Americans trusted. The KGB recruited contractors.”

Thus, Bakatin was one of the members of Gorbachev's team, engaged in rapprochement with the West, "perestroika" and "reform" of the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB, which eventually turned into their destruction and geopolitical catastrophe. The destruction of big Russia - the USSR, the Soviet project and civilization, which were an alternative to the Western project, the slave model, which now completely dominates the planet.

Instead of modernization, improvement and development, getting rid of weaknesses and mistakes, the people received destruction and degradation, which resulted in the death of millions of people, losses comparable to several invasions of Hitler. And the prospect of a new civilizational catastrophe, when the Russian world was made the periphery of the “market” model, in essence, a semi-colony of the West.
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  1. -38
    11 August 2022 05: 18
    The KGB began to rot since the Cuban Missile Crisis. And at the end of the scoop, anything could be done. I love game.
  2. +37
    11 August 2022 05: 20
    His son in the 90s headed the Lipetsk Iron and Steel Works, which at that time was a joint venture with the Americans. Apparently, his father, a traitor, "reformed" the KGB well ...
    1. +1
      16 September 2022 00: 36
      Quote: Luminman
      His son in the 90s headed the Lipetsk Iron and Steel Works, which at that time was a joint venture with the Americans. Apparently, his father, a traitor, "reformed" the KGB well ...



      How many of these creatures are upstairs...
  3. +12
    11 August 2022 05: 21
    Why didn't the author write during Bakatin's lifetime? Just died and please accusatory article. In no case do I justify the last head of the KGB. But 40 days have not passed since the death, and criticism has already come. If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?
    1. +20
      11 August 2022 05: 54
      "About the dead or nothing, or the truth" (c)
    2. +28
      11 August 2022 06: 15
      Quote: ASAD
      If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?

      And nobody was judged...
      1. +10
        11 August 2022 06: 39
        And they won't.
    3. +13
      11 August 2022 06: 32
      Quote: ASAD
      If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?

      There were even bigger scoundrels, for example, Gorbachev...
      1. +9
        11 August 2022 06: 55
        Quote: Luminman
        There were even bigger villains

        The list is big! Some are already being roasted in hell, while others are still smoking the sky! am
      2. +3
        12 August 2022 11: 24
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: ASAD
        If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?

        There were even bigger scoundrels, for example, Gorbachev...


        How many of them are in power now ...
    4. +3
      11 August 2022 10: 18
      Quote: ASAD
      Why didn't the author write during Bakatin's lifetime? Just died and please accusatory article. In no case do I justify the last head of the KGB. But 40 days have not passed since the death, and criticism has already come. If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?

      And who did we judge?
    5. man
      +4
      11 August 2022 11: 55
      If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?
      And who would judge him, the same scoundrels?
    6. +8
      11 August 2022 13: 58
      And why weren't Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Chubais, Nemtsov tried?
      I think you understand that the question is rhetorical. And about Bakatin, more than one video material walks around the network ...
    7. +4
      12 August 2022 09: 25
      Quote: ASAD
      If such a scoundrel, why didn't they judge?

      The system does not hand over its own, although the handover of the wiretapping system was carried out almost live and the whole country knew about it!
  4. +8
    11 August 2022 05: 29
    ***
    “They curse the pernicious son Judas if he chokes on the love of money” ...
    ***
  5. +25
    11 August 2022 06: 03
    Mdaa, they remembered after death .. By the way, in the USA and Great Britain, the name of Bakatin is known today by much more people than in Russia. For the West, he is a hero who managed to destroy the KGB in the shortest possible time. That is, to complete the task, without which it was impossible for any Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkeviches to dismember the Soviet Union in December 91. The performer himself, after retiring in 1993, suddenly found himself among the leaders of a private British-Swiss company, which to this day makes billion-dollar transactions in the post-Soviet territory. Bakatin died, but his business lives on.
    1. +12
      11 August 2022 06: 27
      [quote = parusnik] Bakatin, he died, but his work lives on. [/ quot [quote = parusnik] Bakatin, he died, but his work lives on. [/ quote]
      The earth is glassy to him.
    2. +8
      11 August 2022 06: 33
      Quote: parusnik
      That is, to complete the task, without the solution of which it was impossible for any Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich to dismember the Soviet Union in December 91

      In 91, especially after August, the KGB was no longer the same as before. Probably Bakatin "helped" him fall apart. I would only blame him for not trying to restore it, cement it. After 91, the collapse of the KGB was swift, much faster than the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor's office, in which this process began earlier. But only the lazy did not peck at the KGB in 91.
  6. +4
    11 August 2022 06: 16
    A helpful fool is more dangerous than an enemy
    (Folk wisdom)
    1. +1
      11 August 2022 14: 57
      He wasn't a fool, after all.
    2. +3
      11 August 2022 16: 21
      Are you talking about Yeltsen, how drunk he was spinning around the saxophonist Clinton and bowing to him from the waist down.
  7. -10
    11 August 2022 06: 25
    The intelligence network was destroyed
    This is how? I would like such statements to be substantiated by facts, and not just by the hostility of the author.
    1. +9
      11 August 2022 06: 35
      Quote: victor50
      The intelligence network was destroyed
      How is this?

      Very simple too! The Fifth Directorate was liquidated, which was engaged in ideological counterintelligence, in charge of which were all informants ...
      1. -8
        11 August 2022 06: 42
        Quote: Luminman
        Very simple too! The Fifth Directorate was liquidated, which was engaged in ideological counterintelligence, in charge of which were all informants ...

        Fifth management - where is it? The author wrote about the intelligence network of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        1. +5
          11 August 2022 06: 49
          Quote: victor50
          Fifth management - where is it? The author wrote about the intelligence network of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

          The fifth department is in the KGB. He was especially zealously trampled underfoot. And about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the author is wrong, because his whole system has always been and still is based on informers. And not only in our country
          1. +2
            11 August 2022 15: 55
            Quote: Luminman
            The fifth department is in the KGB. He was especially zealously trampled under foot.

            Yes, it was! And they represented it as if the KGB was only engaged in ideology! As if there was neither counterintelligence nor PGU in it.
            1. 0
              11 August 2022 16: 11
              Quote: victor50
              Yes, it was!

              It was! I even remember how they poured slop even on Rurik, considering him a red-brown of the Middle Ages. And you say KGB... wink
  8. +11
    11 August 2022 06: 26
    Judas and a traitor to the national interests of the state. The man is absolutely alien to the idea of ​​serving the fatherland. He must be judged, just like Gorbachev and Yeltsin
    1. -3
      11 August 2022 09: 50
      The man is absolutely alien to the idea of ​​serving the fatherland. He must be judged
      To argue in this way means to seriously underestimate the existential crisis that struck the post-war generation, and not only in the Soviet bloc, but the Soviet people were especially vulnerable to it. People born in the 50s lived side by side with the heroes of the War, which was glorified the more loudly, the more time passed from the Victory. And this feat was so grandiose that it could not be repeated. A new generation grew up, which was doomed to an inferiority complex next to their victorious fathers. And in these young Soviet people, envy and vindictiveness gradually matured in relation to the great past, to which they have nothing to do, to which they have nothing to answer. This inferiority complex destroyed the USSR, especially since, compared with the revolutionary achievements of the Stalin era, the pace of development really seemed mediocre. Now we understand that in the late 80s the Soviet state was the most advanced and worked like clockwork, but the self-perception of the Soviet people was close to depressive. And the authorities were desperately looking for a way out, and overseas "friends" took advantage of this.
      1. +11
        11 August 2022 09: 57
        What jealousy are you talking about? I did not envy my father and grandfather, I was proud of them! And now I'm proud, although both of them are long gone. You confused something in your existential research of the past
        1. +3
          12 August 2022 08: 21
          I did not envy my father and grandfather
          That's why you didn't hang out on Bolotnaya and Pushkinskaya with Navalny. But my mother was hanging out. And the former mother-in-law from the same category. Everyone got from the USSR like cheese in butter, and they hate this country to the point of shaking. And take Gaidar with all these children of the party nomenklatura and Komsomol leaders who sawed the Soviet economy apart. We are told today that they wanted money. But we have been living under capitalism for a long time and we must understand that "one does not hate so much for money."
  9. +7
    11 August 2022 06: 27
    Rubber clubs (as well as tear gas) were adopted by the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs back in the 1960s.
    Another thing is that they became massive by the end of the 1980s
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 10: 01
      Quote: your1970
      Rubber clubs (as well as tear gas) were adopted by the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs back in the 1960s.

      In 1962 - still under the National Union of Artists. The same PR-73 is a "rubber stick of the 1973 model."
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 10: 26
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: your1970
        Rubber clubs (as well as tear gas) were adopted by the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs back in the 1960s.

        In 1962 - still under the National Union of Artists. The same PR-73 is a "rubber stick of the 1973 model."

        So what am I talking about...
        And the people firmly believe that they were invented in the late 1980s
  10. +10
    11 August 2022 06: 27
    For example, G. Gref, who considered physics and mathematics schools unnecessary, caused irreparable harm to the development of software in Russia. An attempt to buy Western software and adapt it to one's own set back software development from scratch for decades. Putin V.V. calls people like G. Gref scum, for embezzlement of funds by the savings bank headed by G. Gref from pensioners, refuses to defend the constitutional rights of a Russian citizen, the principle of "we do not abandon our own" in action.
    There are other examples, for example, as my friend, a KGB colonel, a former defense minister, said, "taburetkin."
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 10: 23
      Quote: sat2004
      For example, G. Gref, who considered physics and mathematics schools unnecessary, caused irreparable harm to the development of software in Russia. An attempt to buy Western software and adapt it to one's own set back software development from scratch for decades. Putin V.V. calls people like G. Gref scum, for embezzlement of funds by the savings bank headed by G. Gref from pensioners, refuses to defend the constitutional rights of a Russian citizen, the principle of "we do not abandon our own" in action.
      There are other examples, for example, as my friend, a KGB colonel, a former defense minister, said, "taburetkin."

      You made me laugh. Putin doesn’t call anyone scum because he raised them. Calling a bastard a person whom he himself appointed and promoted, does that mean something? A third of governors under investigation for bribes and embezzlement
      1. 0
        11 August 2022 10: 44
        You are mistaken, look at the press conference in December, this phrase was said there when the question was about embezzlement of pensioners' funds. I, when referring to Putin V.V., 20 times, apply this statement as evidence.
    2. +1
      15 August 2022 14: 05
      For example, G. Gref, who considered unnecessary physical and mathematical schools, caused irreparable harm to the development of software in Russia.


      Since when did Gref determine the education system in Russia? As for software development, Sberbank is one of the largest IT companies in Russia and is also engaged in unmanned vehicles and AI.
      And if you listen to Gref, he said that there was no need for excesses, as was the case with economists and lawyers, and he said that he had no problems with programmers, he lacked other specialists.
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 10: 00
        Many probably remember Gref's scandalous statement that Sberbank does not need programmers: "We have a huge number of programmers with whom we are fighting."
        This is what I found on the internet.
      2. 0
        16 August 2022 10: 09
        This is when the shoemaker bakes pies.
        Where is the lawyer, economist, and where is the programmer, heaven and earth.
        Putin V. V. boasted of his legal education, in one of his appeals to the President of the Russian Federation, I asked to protect my constitutional rights in court, in connection with the theft of funds from my account by a savings bank led by Gref, so Putin V. V. modestly refused.
        1. +1
          16 August 2022 13: 47
          I repeat, Gref is not responsible for education in Russia and does not make any key decisions in this matter.

          Where is the lawyer, economist, and where is the programmer, heaven and earth.

          Indeed, I say this as a programmer, there are very few good lawyers who can do something more than arrange an inheritance, and even fewer economists who can calculate an investment plan, but there are a lot of good and strong programmers, Gref talks about this. They needed a strong AI programmer with GPU clusters, BigData, etc., they found it in a month or two, but they have been looking for years to find an economist who can work with “big money”.
          1. 0
            16 August 2022 21: 05
            Colleague, what university did you graduate from and in what year. I am 1976 NPI, the second graduation in the specialty "Applied Mathematics". I answered such questions to my students simply, friends, you read the wrong books when you could not answer the question. I will answer you in the same way, they were not looking there. Although, I remember a conversation with a candidate of legal sciences, at the end of the 90s, there are many lawyers, but there is no one to hire a specialist. He needed a lawyer.
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 21: 36
              NSU Mehmat.
              But I repeat from the very beginning your thesis is not correct that Gref caused irreparable damage to education, education is not his field of activity at all.
              irreparable damage to education, education is not his field of activity at all.
              1. 0
                17 August 2022 07: 32
                The fact that Putin V.V. is trying to protect G. Gref from prosecution, although Putin V.V. calls people like Gref scum, because of the theft of funds from the accounts of pensioners, suggests that Gref took an active part in "development" not only of the educational process in Russia. This is one team. They ruined the Soviet school to the ground, just like the former mo "taburetkin", ruined the training of the military. And cadres solve all problems. Ideology, there is money, so we will buy what we need, adapt it for ourselves, is erroneous, like the rejection of Soviet education, it is a pity for the lost time. But the Russians have a lot of talented people, ten years will pass, they will restore Soviet education, create a new ideology that we ourselves cannot, we will buy and create our own analogue first, and then we will create a new one.
                1. 0
                  17 August 2022 12: 15
                  So Gref did not ruin the Soviet education system. The Soviet education system, along with the Soviet Unions, was being destroyed by “loyal” communists.
          2. +1
            16 August 2022 21: 35
            There are no big problems for programmers to draw up an investment plan if the algorithm is known. This is not a question for the software developer. I have been approached by many in my life, even bandits. I asked them where the security guarantee is, if there is a leak of information, they answered me, we have one guarantee, a bullet in the forehead. This is me, by the way.
            Software development technology is completely violated. At the end of the 70s, we developed the "case history" system, we had a doctor on staff, I got biochemistry. So, there was one study that lasted more than a day, that is, the result was not received the next day, but the next day, with a mass examination, this was problematic, 40 years ago, and all the rest lasted less than a day. Found a technique, obtaining results within a day, but head.
            laboratory, said that she knows the methodology, she is German, GDR, and there are no funds to purchase this equipment. It I to a question on search of the expert. One specialist economist is enough for the whole of Russia, who will give qualified advice to draw up an algorithm. There are candidates and doctors of sciences in any field of human life who can give qualified advice to the developer on. Here's something like a colleague.
            1. 0
              16 August 2022 21: 50
              One specialist economist is enough for the whole of Russia, who will give qualified advice to draw up an algorithm.


              Well, there is not even one specialist economist in the whole of Russia, and programmers are a dime a dozen.
              1. 0
                17 August 2022 07: 03
                Not programmers, but people who have received the appropriate education. There are many musicians, but only a few composers.
          3. 0
            16 August 2022 21: 54
            We had a "specialist" training program - 5 or 5.5 years of study. Who introduced the "bachelor's degree", I still can't pronounce it? This is me about the destruction of the Soviet higher education. Start with Putin V.V. and go down the list.
      3. -1
        16 August 2022 10: 16
        The head of the investigative committee spoke about education, it would be better if he spoke about the salaries of teachers and doctors, for example, "33 years of experience and 30 tons" for a doctor.
      4. 0
        16 August 2022 11: 47
        You have a bad joke, I wrote the first program in 1971. Programming language - Algol 60. Algams translator. 33.5 years of programming experience, from the bottom for more than 10 years he taught assembler, OS, OOP, software development technology, numerical methods, database, mathematics at the university. logic and others. So, I am familiar with AT technologies not by hearsay.
        Hello Gref.
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 22: 00
          What is this supposed to say? You can have 50 years of experience, you often have to interview people from all sorts of research institutes, etc., the easiest test task is to write a multi-threaded program that encrypts a file in blocks, and as practice shows, people from the Soviet era do not know how to program, their code is difficult to read, error handling is rarely carried out , logging is even more rare, SOLID, code extensibility, etc., have not heard this either. As a result, people simply cannot be taken into a serious enterprise, they also do not know how to work in a team.
          1. 0
            17 August 2022 07: 09
            My students had no problems with mutexes and semaphores, as well as working with the database, it was 2006, c#, sql 2005. There were small problems with assembler, but I gave them code on one page on September 1, in December 10% of students received excellent, however, many made 3 errors per line of assembler code
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 12: 24
              Few people have problems with mutexes, semaphores, there are problems with programming in general. If you are teaching students, give them a coursework to write a cross-platform console utility that takes a file name, block size, and output file name as input. And in the output file, the hashes of the blocks of the source file should be sequentially.
              At the same time, the program should work with maximum performance, not crash, process any errors correctly, keep a log so that it would be clear from the log what happened, be able to work with files whose size exceeds the size of RAM, the input / source file can be on disk on ssd on network share.
              And it turns out that 99% of those who did and who have great seigneur experience do not know how to work with exceptions, do not know how to transfer exceptions from thread to thread, write code that cannot be categorically allowed into production, although they previously worked as lead programmers in Almaz Antey.
              1. 0
                17 August 2022 12: 45
                I am now retired, since 2012, I have not been involved in education and programming due to the policy of Putin V.V. and Medvedev D.A. In 2012 in the field of education, and the principle, we will buy software and adapt it is alien to me. Millions of lines of code written by me for our economic system, for the benefit of the USSR, and then
                Russia, they helped me to transfer programming experience to students, I remember, we even wrote our own "operating system", which was loaded from a USB flash drive and displayed the message "goodbay my friends"
  11. +2
    11 August 2022 06: 34
    Judas to the 10th degree!
  12. Eug
    +3
    11 August 2022 06: 38
    Bakatin is just a tool, and not of the first level (both Gorbachev and Yeltsin are also tools, but of a higher level). It all started much earlier - as for me, the Bolshevik project was conceived and implemented by the "world puppeteers" with the aim of the collapse of Russia by splitting off national territories, which eventually happened. There was a period when Stalin managed to turn the situation around and built the state in the interests of the people, but after him there were no worthy successors. And the processes were very deep and long-playing - remember Mikoyan Sr. (27th Baku commissar, who resolved the Caribbean crisis, as for me, through behind-the-scenes agreements with the Rothschilds), the Institute for System Analysis in Vienna, whose "pupils" were Chubais, Gaidar, Aven and others ... and which was led by Kosygin's son-in-law Gvishiani ... so Bakatin is certainly not the driving mechanism for the collapse of the Union and the KGB as one of the most important backbone elements ...
    1. -1
      11 August 2022 07: 25
      Quote: Eug
      as for me, the project of the Bolsheviks was conceived and carried out by "world puppeteers" with the aim of the collapse of Russia by splitting off national territories, which eventually happened.

      Yes, not only you think so, if you look at the entire leadership of the party and government in 1917, and in subsequent years, before the arrival of Stalin, you can immediately see who the "world puppeteers" are.
      (For such words, I have been poked on the table since childhood and still have my face.)
      1. +2
        11 August 2022 11: 09
        Did you watch it, the composition of the government?
        Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin);
        People's Commissar for Internal Affairs Alexei Rykov;
        People's Commissar of Agriculture Vladimir Milyutin;
        people's commissar Alexander Shlyapnikov;
        People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs - a committee composed of: Vladimir Ovseenko (Antonov), Nikolai Krylenko and Pavel Dybenko;
        Commissar for Trade and Industry Viktor Nogin;
        People's Commissar of Education Anatoly Lunacharsky;
        People's Commissar of Finance Ivan Skvortsov (Stepanov);
        People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Lev Bronstein (Trotsky);
        People's Commissar of Justice Georgy Oppokov (Lomov);
        Commissar for Food Ivan Theodorovich;
        People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs Nikolai Avilov (Glebov);
        People's Commissar for Nationalities Joseph Dzhugashvili (Stalin);
        1. +3
          11 August 2022 12: 56
          Quote: kot711
          Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin);

          Who ruled Soviet Russia in 1918-1919

          Council of People's Commissars:

          01. Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Lenin (Ulyanov)
          02. Commissioner for Foreign Affairs Chicherin
          03. Nationality Commissioner Stalin (Dzhugashvili)
          04. Agriculture Commissioner Proshyan
          05. Commissioner of the Army and Navy Trotsky (Bronstein)
          06. Chairman VEC Larin (Lurie)
          07. Reconstruction Commissioner Schlichter
          08. Commissioner Goszemel Kaufman
          9. Commissioner of State Control Lander
          10. Commissar Schmidt
          11. Commissar of Social Charity Lilina (Knigissen)
          12. Commissar of Public Education Lunacharsky (Bailikh)
          13. Religious Commissioner Svalbard
          14. Public Health Commissioner Anvelt
          15. Commissar of the Interior Zinoviev (Apfelbaum)
          16. Commissar of Finance Gukovsky
          17. Commissioner of the press Volodarsky (Kogan)
          18. Commissioner for Election Uritsky
          19. Commissioner of Justice Steinberg
          20. Commissioner for Evacuation Sheginshtein
          21. His assistants: Rawicz
          22. Zaslavsky

          Military Commissariat:

          01. Commissioner of the Army and Navy Trotsky (Bronstein)
          02. Headquarters of the Northern Army Fishman
          03. Chairman of the Council of the Armies of the Western Front Pozern
          04. Political Commissar of the Moscow Military District Gubelman (Yaroslavsky)
          05. Political Commissar of the Vitebsk Military District Deib
          06. Political Commissar of the 12th Army Sheichik (Meichik?)
          07. Political Commissar of the Samara Division Beckman
          08. Political Commissar of the Headquarters of the 4th Army Livenson
          09. Military Judicial Commissar of the 12th Army Romm
          10. Commissioner of military requisitions of the city of Slutsk Kalmanovich
          11. Military Commissar of the Samara Division Gluzman
          12. Commissar of requisitions of the detachment of the Moscow Military District Zusmanovich
          13. Chairman of the Main Moscow Military Council Trotsky (Bronstein)
          14. His assistants: Hirschfeld
          15. Sklyansky
          16. Members of the same council Shorodak
          17. Petch
          18. Military commissar of the Moscow province Steingard
          19. Doulis
          20. Com. Glazer Border Guard Schools
          1. -4
            11 August 2022 15: 44
            It's not 1994 now, in 2022 it's already a shame to show this "chicken" to the honest people.
            1. +3
              11 August 2022 15: 58
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              It's not 1994 now, in 2022 it's already a shame to show this "chicken" to the honest people.

              Firstly, it was printed not in Russia and the USSR, but in the USA -Complete list of members of the Soviet government. New York Document. 1920
              Or maybe it's a "poop"?
              Central Committee of the RCP(b):
              Lenin (Ulyanov), Krylenko, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), Larin (Lurie), Lunacharsky (Mandelstam), Uritsky (Rodomyslsky, killed), Volodarsky (Kogen, killed), Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Smidovich, Sverdlov, Nahamkes (Steklov)
              "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" - Anthony Sutton.
              1. 0
                11 August 2022 16: 32
                Firstly, it was printed not in Russia and the USSR, but in the USA - A complete list of members of the Soviet government. New York Document. 1920

                And?
                Or maybe it's a "poop"?
                "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" - Anthony Sutton.

                And?
                Where does this fascination with garbage from manipulatively selected information come from?
                1. 0
                  11 August 2022 16: 38
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  And?
                  Where does this fascination with garbage from manipulatively selected information come from?

                  The Institute of Russian Civilization (abbreviated name - Russian Institute) - was established in December 1993 to implement the ideas and in memory of the great ascetic of Orthodox Russia, Metropolitan of St. Petersburg and Ladoga John (Snychev). The Institute's predecessor was the research and publishing center Encyclopedia of Russian Civilization (1997–2003), and earlier the Center for Orthodox Russian Studies (1993‒1997).
                  1. 0
                    16 October 2022 13: 03
                    I just came across these comments of yours. Usually I agree with you, but here you have given the text of a fake, repeatedly refuted. You still need to check the information that you found on the Internet.
              2. 0
                16 October 2022 13: 23
                The composition of the Central Committee in 1920 was larger in number. There were 19 members of the Central Committee and 12 candidate members of the Central Committee. Lunacharsky, by the way, is Russian, the illegitimate son of the real state councilor Antonov and the daughter of the state councilor Rostovtseva. His surname is formed from the surname of his stepfather Charnolusky, who adopted him. Just, as was the practice then, they swapped the syllables of the surname. This is how the surname Lunacharsky appeared. Lunacharsky did not have a drop of Jewish blood. Zinoviev was originally Radomyslsky, and not Apfelbaum at all. Volodarsky Goldstein, not Cohen. Pyotr Germogenovich Smidovich, by the way, was never a member of the Central Committee, in the early 20s he was a member of the Central Control Commission. By origin, he is from the Russified Poles, of noble origin. My father was a court adviser. The surname Smidovich is Polish-Belarusian, and has nothing to do with Jews. Etc. etc.
          2. -4
            11 August 2022 17: 01
            German project paid for by the Germans. The Germans lost the 1st world entente, including Russia, but with the help of Lenin, it turned out that the Germans began to dictate to Russia. Who pays, he dances the woman.
            1. +4
              11 August 2022 17: 14
              And the Germans paid for themselves in order to make a revolution at home.
              1. +5
                12 August 2022 10: 05
                Quote: A vile skeptic
                And the Germans paid for themselves in order to make a revolution at home.

                Well, if we assume that the revolution in Russia was made with German money, and the subsequent revolution in Germany - with the money of Soviet Russia, then it turns out that German intelligence partially paid for the defeat of the Reich in the war and the revolution in their country. laughing
                1. +3
                  12 August 2022 10: 20
                  Exactly exactly)
          3. 0
            12 August 2022 04: 59
            Not the whole truth. And it's not even all true. negative
    2. +6
      11 August 2022 09: 57
      the Bolshevik project was conceived and carried out by the "world puppeteers" with the aim of the collapse of Russia by splitting off national territories, which eventually happened.

      This is now such a version being cultivated by liberals, such as the Bolsheviks "planted a bomb under the state system. In fact, the Bolsheviks stopped the collapse of the Russian Empire, what they could of course.
      And the breakaway of national territories occurred already under the "democrats".
      1. Eug
        +5
        11 August 2022 10: 45
        The Bolsheviks had many trends and groups in the party - both supporters of Trotsky and the Comintern, who intended to lead Russia to collapse and degenerated into crap and liberals, and supporters of Stalin, who saved the country from collapse and built a people's state.
        1. +7
          12 August 2022 10: 15
          Quote: Eug
          supporters of Stalin, who saved the country from collapse and built a people's state.

          Unfortunately, the Stalinist concept of a united USSR based on the RSFSR, in which the national republics would be autonomies within the RSFSR, was put forward too early and fell under the steamroller of Lenin with his quirks about a truly Russian person, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and a rapist. As a result, the USSR had to be built as a union of sovereign states, in which the only supranational body was the People's Commissariat of the Ministry of Defense - all the rest were taken away to national apartments and only formally managed and controlled from Moscow. The level of this control is evidenced by at least the fact that it became known only by chance that the difficult criminogenic situation in the late 50s in Azerbaijan, when visitors were robbed, killed and raped right on the streets - all information was hampered at the level of the republic, and the republican Ministry of Internal Affairs according to statements, he did not open it (because the defendants were local residents - "their own").
          1. 0
            16 October 2022 13: 48
            In the USSR, there were quite a lot of all-union ministries and departments that existed only at the union level, they could have territorial departments, departments that were not subordinate to the republican and local authorities. Although along the party line they were partially controlled by local party bodies. Among the all-Union ministries were, for example, all the machine-building ministries, the ministries of the radio industry, the defense, aviation, automobile, and electronic industries. Minchermet, Mintsvetmet, Ministry of Coal Industry, Minnefteprom of the USSR in 1954 and from 1965 (after the abolition of economic councils) until 1986 were union-republican ministries, but only because Minchermet and Mintsvetmet of the Ukrainian SSR, Mintsvetmet of the Kazakh SSR and Minnefteprom of the Azerbaijan SSR were subordinate to them. In other territories of the USSR, these four ministries actually functioned as all-Union ministries. Since 1944, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been a union-republican ministry, but the ministries of foreign affairs of the union republics subordinate to it were rather decorative and representative bodies, with a small apparatus. By the way, the People's Commissariat (Ministry) of Defense (Armed Forces, military) in 1944-1977 was formally union-republican, and only under the Constitution of 1977 did this department become all-union. However, in the period 1944-1977, in most of the republics, the corresponding ministries were not formed at all, and in those few where they were formed, they existed until the beginning of the 50s, essentially performing the functions of republican military enlistment offices. There were no combat units under their command. Some ministries and departments were union-republican, but on the territory of the RSFSR, unlike other republics, ministries or state committees subordinate to them were not created. Examples - the KGB of the USSR in 1954-1990, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR in 1966-1990. On the territory of the RSFSR during this period, the departments of internal affairs of the regional executive committees, the regional departments of the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the autonomous republics were directly subordinate to the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR. However, the heads of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the union republics were often (but not always) appointed by persons who had no relation to these republics either by birth or by work.
  13. +3
    11 August 2022 07: 18
    Until 1985, Bakatin was an inspector of the department of organizational and party work of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

    That's how it always is, when a "party cadre" was put in a responsible job, where you don't need to scratch your tongue, he always ruined it.
    1. +3
      11 August 2022 07: 45
      At that time there was another principle "if only the person was good." As soon as this good man lost his membership card, all the "friends" who bowed to him below the waist wiped their feet on him.
    2. ANB
      0
      13 August 2022 00: 05
      . That's how it always is, when a "party cadre" was put in a responsible job, where you don't need to scratch your tongue, he always ruined it.

      All true.
      Clarification - now everything is the same. And not only in government offices. In large private companies, including foreign ones, the picture is the same.
  14. +2
    11 August 2022 07: 44
    That's how normal people evaluate?
    Here, General Vlasov betrayed his party, country and people, and the communists executed him.
    Here, Gorbachev betrayed his party, the country and the people who entrusted him, and the Soviet people consider him a traitor and a state criminal.
    And how do the enemies of the communists evaluate? "Yes, it's all the Communists' fault, but Vlasov and Gorbachev have nothing to do with it."
    The anti-Soviet ideology is the justification of criminals, traitors of the Soviet period. And on the justification of criminals and traitors, they created their own States on the territory of the USSR they captured.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 15: 16
      Here, General Vlasov betrayed his party, country and people, and the communists executed him.
      Here, Gorbachev betrayed his party, the country and the people who entrusted him, and the Soviet people consider him a traitor and a state criminal.

      And this is the presentation of the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called to Judas Gorbachev. And Gorbachev was also awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland by the Russian authorities, but unfortunately I did not find any pictures on the net.
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 10: 27
        Quote: Amateur
        And this is the presentation of the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called to Judas Gorbachev. And Gorbachev was also awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland by the Russian authorities, but unfortunately the pictures on the net are not ours

        What surprises you? Since the contemporaries real communists ©, allowed Gorby to rule and let him go without making any claims against him, then the current government definitely has nothing to prosecute him for.
      2. 0
        13 August 2022 10: 03
        Quote: Amateur
        And Gorbachev was also awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland by the Russian authorities, but unfortunately I did not find any pictures on the net.

        There is no photo, probably they handed it "quietly", but here it is:

        "Not sickly" for a traitor and enemy of Russia.
    2. +2
      12 August 2022 10: 24
      Quote: tatra
      Here, General Vlasov betrayed his party, country and people, and the communists executed him.
      Here, Gorbachev betrayed his party, the country and the people who entrusted him, and the Soviet people consider him a traitor and a state criminal.

      And what, the communists condemned Gorbachev as Vlasov?
      If the communists had treated Gorbachev like Vlasov - even at the beginning of his reign - then yes, the CPSU is strong, honest communists got rid of the traitor in their ranks.
      But here's the trouble - Comrade General Secretary is still more alive than all the living. And while he was doing his dirty deeds for the collapse of the USSR, his party comrades put their tongues in... they just encouraged and encouraged.
      But for some reason, only individuals are to blame for the current commies, and the structure that made it possible for the traitor to come to power and his many years of work at the head of this very structure is infallible, yes ... smile
  15. +1
    11 August 2022 07: 56
    The creature has died, such must be crushed in the cradle.
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 18: 43
      Quote: Ros 56
      The creature has died, such must be crushed in the cradle.

      While the air smokes a stench, and even has awards from the West.
      Grammy Award for Best Speech Album for Children, presented by the Recording Academy of America in recognition of "Outstanding Achievement in the Music Industry" in the United States.
  16. +2
    11 August 2022 07: 56
    You start reading an article and you understand who wrote it without even finishing it.winked
    Regarding the article.
    The USSR rotted from the head.
    As soon as there was no hard hand, everything began to slowly fall apart. request
    1. +8
      11 August 2022 10: 00
      The USSR rotted from the head.
      As soon as there was no hard hand, everything began to slowly fall apart

      It is naive to think that everything happens by itself. There are both internal and external enemies that catalyze the processes. In America, everything is rotten, but whether we will live to see its collapse is the question. And if the interested countries organized the process of the collapse of the United States, the result would be a matter of time.
      1. -2
        11 August 2022 10: 09
        Quote: glory1974
        The USSR rotted from the head.
        As soon as there was no hard hand, everything began to slowly fall apart

        It is naive to think that everything happens by itself. There are both internal and external enemies that catalyze the processes. In America, everything is rotten, but whether we will live to see its collapse is the question. And if the interested countries organized the process of the collapse of the United States, the result would be a matter of time.

        It is naive to think that I think that everything happens by itself. Soviet power itself was its own enemy. As a result, it slowly rotted from the inside, and the external enemy only intensified this effect. In the end, there is what is available.
  17. 0
    11 August 2022 08: 18
    Bakatin rendered a huge service to America by handing over to US Ambassador to the USSR James Collins in December 1991, as a goodwill gesture from Moscow, wiretapping schemes for the new complex of buildings of the American embassy in the capital.
    It seems that the transfer of documentation was not such an act of betrayal, this is indirectly confirmed by Putin's attitude towards Bakatin, who, as you know, is extremely reverent about the topic of betrayal of intelligence officers. Bakatin, however, lived happily to the age of 85, worked in funds and investment companies. He was buried at the prestigious Troekurovsky cemetery, which is often called a branch of Novodevichy. His children Alexander and Dmitry occupy prominent positions in government and business structures.
    1. +8
      11 August 2022 10: 05
      Bakatin, nevertheless, lived safely to the age of 85, worked in funds and investment companies. He was buried at the prestigious Troekurovsky cemetery,

      Without a description of his life in 90-2000-, the article is not complete and does not give an idea about the person.
      But in fact, he has real estate in the USA, he often traveled there, met with many people with an ambiguous reputation, enjoyed the favor of the American elite, his children and grandchildren are attached, they do not live in poverty.
      In my opinion, a classic traitor who was not only paid, but also arranged a comfortable life.
      Why did Putin welcome him? Yes, for the same reason as Gorbachev, and other criminals and traitors to the people.
      1. +1
        11 August 2022 13: 43
        Bakatin, he did what he was told, he was not such an independent figure, he could sometimes show off. Therefore, the attitude of the poet himself is towards him.
        1. +3
          12 August 2022 09: 58
          Bakatin, did what he was told, was not such an independent figure,

          So you can write about anyone, even about the president: "He is not an independent figure ......".
          However, even an ordinary soldier can make a choice and either remain a man, or become a traitor, a bastard, etc.
          And we are talking about the minister. There were many ministers who resigned not agreeing with the imposed decisions. Therefore, "non-independent figure" is not an option.
  18. +2
    11 August 2022 08: 39
    Quote: leks
    You start reading an article and you understand who wrote it without even finishing it.winked
    Regarding the article.
    The USSR rotted from the head.
    As soon as there was no hard hand, everything began to slowly fall apart. request

    Any analogy is lame. The USSR is not a car. Which rots sooner or later and is thrown away.

    We all suffer from a chronic inability to express our thoughts directly and clearly. And that's why we have analogies or allegories with the most stupid allusions everywhere.

    For example, no one now even says directly: "Russia will defeat Ukraine." It's like they're hinting at it. Even at the highest level, thinking begins: "The geography of actions will change" or even cooler: "There will be a rout and terrible consequences" And who will win whom?

    So, to put it bluntly, in 1991 our society abandoned Soviet laws because it had no other real force capable of self-organization, except for "brothers" - thieves and traitors.

    Created in 1991 a system in which it was more convenient to plunder the country. And she's very, very resilient. This is good?

    Our society is not capable of nominating normal, honest leaders from its midst. All are for sale. No one will follow a person who calls for the right steps. He will always be alone.

    The conclusion is not pleasant: The fish rots from the head if it is already dead. In any living organism, the brain is the last to die.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 10: 18
      Quote: ivan2022
      Quote: leks
      You start reading an article and you understand who wrote it without even finishing it.winked
      Regarding the article.
      The USSR rotted from the head.
      As soon as there was no hard hand, everything began to slowly fall apart. request

      Any analogy is lame. The USSR is not a car. Which rots sooner or later and is thrown away.

      We all suffer from a chronic inability to express our thoughts directly and clearly. And that's why we have analogies or allegories with the most stupid allusions everywhere.

      For example, no one now even says directly: "Russia will defeat Ukraine." It's like they're hinting at it. Even at the highest level, thinking begins: "The geography of actions will change" or even cooler: "There will be a rout and terrible consequences" And who will win whom?

      So, to put it bluntly, in 1991 our society abandoned Soviet laws because it had no other real force capable of self-organization, except for "brothers" - thieves and traitors.

      Created in 1991 a system in which it was more convenient to plunder the country. And she's very, very resilient. This is good?

      Our society is not capable of nominating normal, honest leaders from its midst. All are for sale. No one will follow a person who calls for the right steps. He will always be alone.

      The conclusion is not pleasant: The fish rots from the head if it is already dead. In any living organism, the brain is the last to die.

      Soviet society, just the same, did not refuse the union and its laws, which was shown by the referendum.
      As for the rest of what you wrote, there is only one conclusion, if society is not capable of anything, then the state will disappear as soon as everyone from above realizes that there will be no more money, that everything has been sold and everything has been dumped.
  19. +4
    11 August 2022 08: 43
    Demand creates supply. The comprador Central Committee of the CPSU was aimed at the destruction of the USSR and people like Bakatin were needed, without principles, morality ... What is there to be surprised about.
    1. +2
      11 August 2022 09: 42
      Bakatin, just a performer, the party said, the minister answered yes. A figure that is far from independent.
  20. +4
    11 August 2022 10: 04
    Everyone forgets that any chairman of the KGB was always opposed by internal forces. At that time, everyone supported him. Apparently, he was tired of driving the Volga and Zhiguli. that, in principle, the KGB was given different tasks during the interception. They did not provide for any superiority over the enemy. In the very Council where he previously worked, there were consultants from foreign intelligence services on the subject of our intelligence and counterintelligence work. The USSR Armed Forces could at any the moment to remove him from his post, since the generals of the internal service did not have the right to occupy a leading position at all, but they did not. And where all the KGB generals ended up, I should not be reminded.
  21. +1
    11 August 2022 10: 58
    called him a coward

    "Whoever calls himself that is called that himself." what kind of turnovers, the author? maybe Gorby showed him his tongue?
  22. +2
    11 August 2022 11: 15
    Looks like David Bowie in the title photo...

    On the subject: who gave him a recommendation for the KGB and joining the party?
    That ...

    For 30 years I have been repeating to all these "mourners" and "mourners" in the USSR: until you admit that the USSR was destroyed by the Communist Party
    Soviet Union, you will NOT be able to correctly UNDERSTAND what happened, draw the appropriate conclusions, understand the mistakes made, understand what is the cause and what is the effect, and thus you will not be able to correct these mistakes or do better if you have such a chance ...
    hi
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 14: 56
      The USSR was destroyed by the Communist Party

      But could you clarify - what do you mean by the term "communist party"? What, in your opinion, did it consist of (only the Politburo, Central Committee, regional committees, city committees, district committees, grassroots (primary) cells, or all together)? Who, in your opinion, is this scoundrel that destroyed the USSR?
      1. +1
        11 August 2022 15: 07
        Do not be offended, please: but did you read the text carefully?
        hi
        1. 0
          11 August 2022 15: 16
          Undoubtedly. But there is no answer to my question. Sorry, I repeat:
          what do you understand by the term "communist party"?
          1. +1
            11 August 2022 15: 30
            Weird question, sorry...
            hi
            Open the constitution of the USSR of 1977 and the charter of the CPSU in the edition of 1962 (from memory) of the year (with changes) ...
            1. +3
              11 August 2022 15: 48
              Thank you, but I remember the Charter. Based on this document, I asked you this question. The Constitution, or rather its 6th article, does not answer this question. .It is strange that a man who, according to him
              30 years I repeat to all these "sad men" and "mourners" in the USSR: until you admit that the USSR was destroyed by the Communist Party
              Soviet Union

              cannot answer it. Forgive me, but, in this case, you have been talking nonsense for 30 years, indiscriminately slandering 19 million of your compatriots.
              1. -3
                11 August 2022 15: 52
                Best wishes to you...
                hi
                1. +2
                  11 August 2022 15: 56
                  And you will not be ill for another 30 years.
      2. +1
        12 August 2022 10: 33
        Quote: Ermak_Timofeich
        Who, in your opinion, is this scoundrel that destroyed the USSR?

        Those who didn't care from below were joiners to the party because of their careers and sitting their pants at meetings. And those who agreed from above, hoping to rise higher and snatch a bigger piece.
        Everything was clear. The house was doomed. He could not help but burn. And indeed, at twelve o'clock in the morning he burned, set ablaze at once from six ends.
        © Ilf and Petrov
        The collapse of the USSR by a bunch of traitors is a convenient excuse, like it's not us, it's all completely strangers not from our area. Actually...
  23. +1
    11 August 2022 11: 29
    Quote: bratchanin3
    Demand creates supply. The comprador Central Committee of the CPSU was aimed at the destruction of the USSR and people like Bakatin were needed, without principles, morality ... What is there to be surprised about.

    On the contrary, this is the most amazing thing. For the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks / CPSU was not originally "comprado". It was an elected and subordinate body of a political party.

    Why, for example, in bourgeois parties no Central Committee ever betrays the bourgeoisie?
    Because the bourgeois members of the party will never elect traitors to their interests. And they will instantly throw out a useless politician on the garbage heap.

    Workers and peasants about ........ their workers 'and peasants' party, and then their state of workers and peasants. There was no need to elect such a Central Committee, which consisted of traitors.

    In our society, it is generally difficult for worthy people to advance to the positions of authority. Almost impossible. Society does not care, until it is openly destroyed. But then it may be too late to "see the light" and complain that we have been betrayed.
    1. +2
      12 August 2022 10: 45
      Quote: ivan2022
      Because the bourgeois members of the party will never elect traitors to their interests. And they will instantly throw out a useless politician on the garbage heap.

      No, no, no ... bourgeois party members do not scatter cadres. First, such a phenomenon will be warned. And only if he does not heed the voice of the public - then yes, oh.
      For example, when it became known that David Cameron was going to abandon the construction of the Prince of Wales AB, a group of party comrades visited his residence that same evening. Which popularly explained to the prime minister that the party cannot afford to give the opposition 50 votes, or even more - because the layoffs after the termination of the construction of the AB will take place in the most problematic swing areas. And Cameron heeded the wise advice. smile
  24. +3
    11 August 2022 11: 36
    He did not destroy anything, already in 1990 the KGB was a "teddy bear". With rare exceptions, the generals, selected on the basis of principle, unscrupulousness, lack of ideas, only imitated work. The same "Alpha" in 1991 was undemocratic to storm the White House. and in 1993 it turns out to be democratic. Vympel really refused. The regime of the USSR was rotten and Bakatin confirmed this, the special service also decomposed.
  25. +1
    11 August 2022 11: 45
    I hope in hell, the devils don't skimp on coal.
    1. +1
      11 August 2022 16: 14
      I hope in hell, the devils don't save on coal

      There's gas! wink wink
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 10: 45
        Quote: Luminman
        There's gas! wink wink

        For rubles? wink
  26. 0
    11 August 2022 12: 40
    The rejection of the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat, the betrayal of the ideals of communism, the transition of the "elite" self-proclaimed in the period after Stalin's death to the side of the class enemy in order to seize and hold public property, turn this property into private property, led to the need to destroy a new type of party - the CPSU, and brought down the entire world socialist (communist) system.
    The system of state security, formed by the CPSU during the period of building communism, could not be preserved, and long before the dissolution of the USSR it was turned into an instrument for "solving problems."
    All these "processes" took place under the control (control is management) of world capital. At the same time, colossal resources flowed to the United States, Germany and other Western countries, which made it possible to extend the existence of Pax Americana.
    The "domestic" capitalist system is the flesh and blood of the world capital system. The "domestic" oligarchy also intended to integrate into the "world" (USA) production and financial system. And what?
    1. 0
      11 August 2022 15: 39
      The idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat was abandoned under Stalin in the constitution of 1936 (replacement of the proletariat as the ruling class by "working people")...
      hi
      1. -1
        13 August 2022 14: 41
        This was not a rejection of the "idea of ​​the DP", but the consolidation in the constitution of the USSR of the result: "building socialism in the main" (in a single country!), Which marked the transition from the (transitional) stage ("DP") to the full-scale construction of socialism (already without exploiting classes), i.e. Stalin (VKP(b)) substantiated that socialism won (not completely, since the possibility of restoring capitalism from outside remained).
        The rejection of the idea of ​​the Democratic Party, which is the central idea of ​​the Communist Party, is opportunism and social democracy, i.e. recognition of the supremacy of the exploiting class.
  27. +1
    11 August 2022 14: 14
    Quote: iouris
    Rejection of the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat, betrayal of ideals...
    All these "processes" took place under the control (control is management) of world capital. At the same time, colossal resources flowed to the United States. And what?

    All these "processes occurred" NOT under the control of capital, because there could not be any "global capital" in a political party, where all posts were elected and accountable according to the CHARTER. Assemblies and congresses. Not capital.

    The workers and peasants themselves did not understand that they had given up their power. Because the descendants of serfs are not even capable of seriously imagining that they, and not the "red master", can have some kind of power.

    They believed in the "red master" as 100% serfs of the Tsar Pea. And then they decided that the "red master" had deceived their fools. Although he promised not to deceive.

    The idea that they themselves had to control their party simply because it was in their interests did not occur to them. But for World Capital, it seems to be as it should be .....
    1. -1
      13 August 2022 14: 47
      Quote: ivan2022
      The workers and peasants themselves did not understand that they had given up their power.

      Congratulations. It never occurred to anyone before you that "workers and peasants" directly exercise power functions.
      Power is exercised by the apparatus. The question is not who is co-opted into this apparatus, but what are the goals of state policy: are they aimed at establishing social justice and the harmonious development of the individual by providing the most equal opportunities, or is the policy subordinated to the goals of (non-existent in your opinion) world capital.
      If even today you do not see that World Capital not only exists and has enslaved humanity to such an extent that it implements Nazi technologies of personality manipulation, openly declares a transition to transhumanism, then it is useless to argue with you.
  28. +2
    11 August 2022 16: 24
    From August 23 to October 22, 1991, Vadim Bakatin served as chairman of the USSR State Security Committee.
    Outstanding "effective" - ​​to destroy such a system in 3 months. It will be worse than "red". EBN knew how to select "the best of the worst". And now our guarantor adheres to the same tradition. That's how we live.
  29. +2
    11 August 2022 20: 14
    I hope this wonderful person was buried at Novodevichy and the opening of the Bakatin Center is ahead of us?

    PS how is the health there? not going yet?
  30. +2
    12 August 2022 08: 05
    This is what happens when a person who is far from his subordinate area becomes a minister.
    But it suits our government. We have journalists in charge of Roskosmos, builders - the Ministry of Defense, bodyguards - the National Guard and the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
    The result is on the face.
  31. +2
    12 August 2022 08: 07
    Son - Alexander [4] (born 1959), Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Environmental, Technological and Nuclear Supervision.
    Son - Dmitry [4] (born 1965), member of the board of directors of Sibur Holding, United Machine Building Plants (Uralmash-Izhora group), as well as a member of the board of directors of Renaissance Insurance group, Renaissance Life insurance company »[52].
  32. +1
    12 August 2022 09: 57
    Under Bakatin, the creation of special police units (OMON) continued, and the police were armed with rubber batons, which the people gained the nickname "democratizers."

    More precisely, the police returned the rubber truncheons PR-73. And for armament cudgel rubber bands were adopted under Khrushchev. It all started with a memorandum from the head of the MOOP of the RSFSR, Vadim Tikunov, about the need to provide the police with non-lethal means of combating crime - rubber truncheons, handcuffs and tear gas. And then off we go...
    In the USSR, these special means were adopted by law enforcement agencies only in 1962, in accordance with the order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR "On the adoption of a rubber stick and handcuffs by the police" in order to strengthen the protection of state, public interests and personal rights of Soviet citizens from criminal encroachments. Their use was strictly regulated by the instructions, illegal use entailed serious responsibility.
    In 1966, the order of the Ministry of Defense of the RSFSR introduced a new procedure for wearing and using a rubber stick: "To allow the wearing of a rubber stick in the nude in the hand, as well as on the belt on the left side ...". The introduction of this special equipment in the republics was allowed only upon the petitions of the ministers, heads of departments approved by the MOOP of the RSFSR, approved by local party bodies ..
    © website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Republic of Karelia
  33. +2
    12 August 2022 10: 40
    There was no need to write anything while alive. Everyone who worked in the police in those days knew perfectly well what scum it was. When he was removed for a long time and after the collapse of the USSR, they raked the shit that he heaped up in the police. The KGB completely crushed this scum. selling along with Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other nits. It's necessary to declassify the wiretapping scheme of the American embassy. How much we don't know about these traitors. All of them and their children settled down beautifully, having plundered our country for the sake of us. Our country, because they didn't have theirs. Died there of this filth and the road. It is a pity that it is late and that he did not and will not appear, along with the creature Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich, before the court for treason.
  34. +1
    12 August 2022 10: 58
    Scum for sale!!!
  35. +1
    12 August 2022 14: 31
    "... Bakatin never justified himself when he was accused of betrayal for passing secrets to the Americans. In fact, it was the will of the country's top leadership."
    And there is no need to make excuses, he would shoot himself if he learned about such a "will of the country's top leadership", having previously made public this "will".
    Scoundrel and traitor.
  36. -1
    12 August 2022 19: 42
    A lot of evil spirits have died this year.
  37. 0
    13 August 2022 11: 39
    We do not know the scale of the fifth column in the Russian Federation at present, but it is not small, there are alarming signs.
    1. -1
      13 August 2022 14: 53
      Quote from Carlos Sala
      We do not know the scale of the fifth column

      This is classified information. But soon you will see for yourself.
  38. 0
    16 August 2022 17: 22
    Judas is white and very fluffy compared to these foremen. At least the devils in Hell will take care of them. but his accomplice Humpbacked road is closed there.
  39. -1
    17 August 2022 06: 42
    Quote: iouris
    Quote: ivan2022
    The workers and peasants themselves did not understand that they had given up their power.

    Congratulations. It never occurred to anyone before you that "workers and peasants" directly exercise power functions.
    Power is exercised by the apparatus. The question is not who is co-opted into this apparatus, but what are the goals of the state (non-existent in your opinion) world capital.
    If even today you do not see that World Capital not only exists and has enslaved humanity to such an extent that it implements Nazi technologies of personality manipulation, openly declares a transition to transhumanism, then it is useless to argue with you.

    The bourgeoisie, the capitalists, are doing business. And also directly "do not exercise powers of authority." They do not have these powers.

    But they do not "co-opt" (heh.. heh... Do you yourself understand what this word means?), but they elect those in the party who exercise these powers. And nowhere did I write that "world capital does not exist." Put on your glasses and take off your cross.
  40. 0
    17 August 2022 17: 18
    As you know, Bakatin managed to check in at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, being, for a short time, a minister, whose activities there did not contribute to the successful work of this organization. However, before Bakatin, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was ruined by Fedorchuk, the former Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR in 1982-1986. Where did he come from the post of chairman of the KGB of the USSR, he was pushed to the post of minister of internal affairs by Andropov, with whom Fedoruk did not have a relationship when Andropov was chairman of the KGB of the USSR, and Fedorchuk was then the head of the KGB of Ukraine, but he was supported by the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU Brezhnev and Andropov nothing could not do with Fedorchuk. But, becoming the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Andropov took revenge on Fedorchuk. , fight against dissident, slender intellectuals, and with boobies students who think they are nothing. And it’s completely different to lead a ministry that specifically solves crimes, protection of public order, fighting fires and other natural disasters, then there was no Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Internal Affairs was engaged in this, again crime prevention, work with difficult teenagers, even drunks were treated in LTP, which are part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Here, rolling up their sleeves, Fedorchuk got down to business, considering the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, loafers, bribe-takers, alcoholics. He began to plant the organs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with KGB officers transferred from there, and this affected not only the central apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but also the city and district authorities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. who were retired, and many quit themselves. As a result of such activities, the crime detection rate dropped sharply, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was demoralized. it is known that the best are not given away. The next leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs tried to turn the tide, they allowed many of the dismissed to return, but few returned. The people in the Ministry of Internal Affairs are beaten, hardened, almost everyone found themselves in civilian life. Who took up advocacy, who got a job as legal advisers, teachers at universities, technical schools. with money, and life is beautiful, and we don’t dangle like dogs in the service, without days off and walk-throughs. After Fedorchuk, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was never able to rise to its previous level.
  41. +1
    18 August 2022 17: 14
    Thanks to Gorbachev's policy of canceling the Warsaw Pact overnight. By driving the Russian army out of Czechoslovakia, you threw us into the arms of the Americans. The result is terrible, we are a stupid bunch without our own reason and politics. Do you guys understand this version of me too? am
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  43. -1
    8 October 2022 19: 25
    An ordinary traitor from a galaxy of a marked bear and a drunken wrestler. Couldn't have been any other...
  44. 0
    22 October 2022 18: 36
    and this one is a foreman ... a professional, damn it ...