The Chinese "ally" is neither a friend nor an enemy, but - so

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The Chinese "ally" is neither a friend nor an enemy, but - so

Russian and Chinese brothers ... not forever


It is high time to forget this propaganda slogan: Russian and Chinese are brothers forever. Even after Damansky it was necessary to forget once and for all. No, they remembered for some reason, and now we shake off the naphthalene from it from time to time.

What for? In the foreign press, there is an increasing opinion that the aggressive policy of the West towards Russia on the Ukrainian issue may push Moscow towards a closer alliance with China, the main geopolitical opponent of the US and the EU. In Russia, too, the thesis about the turn of the country to the East has already become quite familiar.



Today, of course, we are talking not only about China, but also about India. However, now let's talk about the People's Republic of China and its attitude towards Russia and its ongoing denazification of Ukraine. How in Beijing, in which case, they will characterize a quite possible operation in Taiwan, by the way, is very interesting.

In the meantime, I would like to note an important statement by the chairman of the Academic Council of the Shanghai Institute of International Studies, Yang Jiemian. Commenting on China-Russia relations, he said:

"They stand shoulder to shoulder, like a rock against a turbulent current, in today's chaotic world."

You see, “shoulder to shoulder”, not “back to back”. Therefore, if the US shoots Russia in the back, China will be out of business and will not respond to aggression!

deferred demand


China, as usual, uses the position of a wise monkey who sits in a tree and watches two tigers fight. Whoever wins is right, and with that it is worth building relationships.

Let me remind you that three weeks before the start of the NWO, on February 4, Putin met with Xi Jinping in Beijing before the opening of the Olympics. According to US intelligence, the Chinese leader allegedly asked to delay the start of the operation until the end of the Olympics on February 20.


Yes, with political support, albeit very cautious, Xi Jinping did not disappoint - Beijing has never condemned the NWO, but has repeatedly condemned NATO policy and unilateral sanctions against Russia. In mid-June, Xi Jinping declared that he fully supports Russia in matters of its sovereignty and security.

But China is abstaining from military support for Russia. In mid-March, the United States reported that the PRC, in negotiations with Russia, expressed its readiness to provide it with military equipment.

A few days later, Joe Biden spoke on the phone with Comrade Xi, demanding that he not do this and warning him of the consequences. It is difficult to say whether Chinese support was actually planned, but in the almost five months that have passed since then, not a single piece of Chinese equipment has arrived in Russia.

With economic support, it's even more interesting. Crude oil imports from Russia to China have grown during this time by 55% compared to the previous year, reaching record levels, writes Reuters. Russia was also able to boost LNG exports to China, which totaled almost 400 tons last month, up 000% from May 56.

Don't argue with sanctions


And everything would be fine, only Russia sells oil to Beijing at a big discount. Discounts reach up to 30%. And don't ask why we need to sell oil so much and at such a ridiculous price. Oil sellers understand their benefits. And the benefit of the country has nothing to do with it. From a word...

The export of Russian pipeline gas to China via the Power of Siberia is also growing steadily: in 2022 it will amount to 16-17 billion cubic meters (plus 60-70% compared to 2021).

The statements of the head of the Chinese banking regulator Guo Shuqing that China will not join the financial restrictions against Russia does not prevent Chinese banks and companies from complying with the sanctions. Moreover, to observe scrupulously to the point of insulting, when no “Mir” cards in most of the territory of the Celestial Empire no longer help.

It is not for nothing that large Chinese state-owned banks limited operations with Russia on the second day after the start of the NWO. State-owned companies abandoned projects involving the export to Russia of complex technological solutions, in the production of which European companies are involved.

For example, from participation in the construction of the Sibur petrochemical plant and the supply of modules for the Arctic LNG-2 project. Large Chinese companies also began curtailing their work in Russia back in May. At the same time, IT giants leave the Russian market "quietly" and without public statements, analysts told The Wall Street Journal.

According to sources of the edition, deliveries to Russia are reduced by computer manufacturer Lenovo and smartphone developer Xiaomi. The newspaper noted that, despite the moderate political position of China, business is trying not to violate the sanctions of the West and the United States.

Completely different red lines


“Beijing feels the American red lines very well. China is adapting to the sanctions regime and, as far as technological imports are concerned, it prefers to do nothing rather than take risks,”

Alexander Gabuev of the Carnegie Endowment explained.

Such actions by China are consistent with historical the country's practice of complying with US sanctions against North Korea and Iran. Commercial ties with the US, the EU and their allies in Asia are much more important than with Russia. In 2021, China exported about $68 billion worth of goods to Russia, and its exports to the US and EU together amount to more than $1 (one) trillion.

Yes, Beijing has not imposed sanctions against us, but, according to experts, it will not violate Western sanctions against Russia because of the threat of losing market access in the developed world, which, it is worth recalling, has united against Moscow.


Many people in our country really hoped that parallel imports were just about China. Alas, if something exists in reality, it is definitely in non-critical areas.

True, after the visit of the Speaker of the US House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan, China and the United States entered into a clinch. Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Xie Feng said Beijing would take strong action in response to the scandalous visit.

Perhaps the situation for Russia will change in some way. And perhaps not. In any case, China will act only in its own, but not in our interests. And, as we see, these interests do not always coincide.

If Vysotsky, in a song about a friend, suggested “pulling a guy into the mountains” to find out if he is a friend or not, now the NWO has taken the place of the mountains. And do we see anything else positive from China, other than not joining the sanctions? Personally, I don’t see anything like that, neither parallel nor perpendicular.

And as a result, you are once again convinced of the correctness of Emperor Alexander III, who claimed that

"Russia has only two allies - its army and navy."
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  1. +16
    12 August 2022 16: 02
    China's only ally is its army and navy,
    said Sun Tzu (or maybe not, but that doesn't matter).
    1. +13
      12 August 2022 16: 21
      So their army and navy should not be our unconditional ally ... we have our own, so they must be kept in proper, combat-ready condition!
      A simple truth, you don’t have to go beyond three seas for it!
    2. avg
      +13
      12 August 2022 16: 40
      They already got Sun Tzu with this first couch expert, dragging him where necessary and not necessary. Zhukov needs to be quoted, Ogarkov from whom the mattress covers "borrowed" the concept of network-centric warfare.
      And Sun Tzu is as fashionable as the samurai katana in Hollywood. It would be extremely interesting to look at the samurai if the Mongols managed to land in Japan. And the Japanese know it, Glory to Kamikaze! -shout. Yes
      And I hope the Chinese understand that alles kaput will come to them without us.
      1. +9
        13 August 2022 00: 39
        Quote: avg
        Sun Tzu is the same fashion

        Yes, even Sun in Chai. It is said somewhere in Scripture "do not make yourself an idol."
      2. +3
        13 August 2022 14: 34
        Yes, not a damn thing will come to the Chinese! They will give money for a day. Therefore, they swallowed the visit of this Pelosi, and they will swallow a lot of other things ...
    3. +20
      12 August 2022 16: 47
      . And do we see anything else positive from China, except for non-aligned to sanctions?

      China, perhaps, did not announce its own sanctions, but it completely joined the Western ones.

      If China continues to comply with Western sanctions in terms of technology, equipment, machine tools, microelements ... then our prospects are not at all bright. Because we have no serious import substitution.

      P S. For eight years we had time to build up and we could make a breakthrough ... And now it remains to pray for the Chinese.
      1. +2
        13 August 2022 10: 34
        Quote: Stas157
        For eight years we had time to build up and we could make a breakthrough ...

        We had 45 years after 1945 when we won the title of the strongest country in the world. But we never became the first in many sectors of the economy. Moreover, they also scattered the USSR. And there are very real objective reasons for this. As, in fact, for failures in these eight years. We must still understand that Western civilization is somewhat ahead of us and the rest of the world in the technologies of material production, and this creates significant prerequisites for their leadership in economic development. And even if we do not want to admit it or treat it negatively, this fact cannot be canceled. And then we need to prepare another, asymmetrical response. And in any case, do not strive to split society with all sorts of dubious theses like
        ... And don't ask why we need to sell oil so much and at such a ridiculous price. Oil sellers understand their benefits. And the benefit of the country has nothing to do with it. From a word...

        The author of the article apparently does not understand at what point in the extraction of minerals the state budget receives "benefit", and carries nonsense with a destructive meaning. Expressing some incomprehensible resentment at the actions of China, for some reason the author recalls the long-forgotten slogan about "brothers for life". Which of the power structures moved him to the masses today? On the contrary, every time it is emphasized that our trade with China is growing, but there are no allied obligations. China defends its interests, we defend ours. Each country, to the best of its ability and sovereignty, defends its interests within the framework of signed agreements, if any. What are the requirements for discounts? If it were not beneficial for the country, we would not sell additional volumes to China. A decrease in the figures of the current mining production in our country will lead not only to a decrease in the level of revenue for them and payments of the mineral extraction tax, but also to a reduction in production and the number of jobs in the industry as a whole. It's just that the author, in an effort to pour a tub of slop on the country's economic management system, did not figure it out herself. On the basis of such articles and our own not very deep knowledge of the country's macroeconomic capabilities, depressive moods are born like everything is gone, "our prospects are not at all bright" ... We will survive, to the evil of all journalists we will survive wink
      2. +9
        13 August 2022 14: 38
        The Chinese don't need us in FIG! Here is our oil and gas at a 30% discount - this is different.
      3. +5
        14 August 2022 03: 34
        "it was possible to make a breakthrough..." It is never too late to make a breakthrough. When a bench is knocked out from under a person’s feet, he will definitely make a strong jerk, and often more than one.
        1. RGB
          0
          22 August 2022 10: 46
          Our country seems to be an exception.
      4. +2
        14 August 2022 12: 35
        Quote: Stas157
        . And do we see anything else positive from China, except for non-aligned to sanctions?

        China, perhaps, did not announce its own sanctions, but it completely joined the Western ones.

        If China continues to comply with Western sanctions in terms of technology, equipment, machine tools, microelements ... then our prospects are not at all bright. Because we have no serious import substitution.

        P S. For eight years we had time to build up and we could make a breakthrough ... And now it remains to pray for the Chinese.

        hi I somehow wondered why Kazakhstan did not recognize the Donbass, although within the framework of the CSTO we provided assistance to it, hushed up another color coup. But then I had a thought, what if this non-recognition was planned and agreed upon? We have a very long border, many customs checkpoints with Kazakhstan, and it is China's neighbor and far from being the smallest. Import from China so far what we do not have. But there is a rational grain in this, Kazakhstan is not under sanctions, we are in normal relations. Yes, we demonstrate differences in political issues, but this is a necessary measure. In general, the East is a delicate matter. And China is getting stronger, but China has a lot of attracted Western investment. Read this is a large factory for the production of consumer goods and high-tech equipment. Yes, sometimes not the best quality, but a lot. Whether we will continue to be friends and good neighbors with China is a matter of time. Personally, it was enough for me, their predatory attitude towards our forests in Siberia, with the general connivance of our officials with
        EP. As soon as the nuts were tightened, the entire Chinese Timber Industry went home. Because the reclamation of land and the renewal of forest resources became unprofitable. So, what are friends and enemies ..... this time will tell, but it's better to work ahead of the curve.
      5. 0
        16 August 2022 09: 46
        Because we have no serious import substitution.
        Yes, it never existed. Oh sorry, it was on TV! And in real life, as it did not come across, it does not come across. We are not considering replacing Moroccan tangerines with Abkhaz ones.
    4. +8
      12 August 2022 17: 07
      Quote from AnalystJack
      China's only ally is its army and navy,
      said Sun Tzu (or maybe not, but it doesn't matter)

      and it is right in the article that
      China, as usual, uses the position of a wise monkey who sits in a tree and watches two tigers fight. Whoever wins is right, and with that it is worth building relationships.

      And the top is still hoping for "friendship with China for a century."
      And China is not just a heifer that sucks 2 nipples - it's like a little wolf cub, but his fangs are cut.
    5. +10
      12 August 2022 18: 41
      Quote from AnalystJack
      China has the only ally

      economics and finance.
    6. -3
      12 August 2022 22: 03
      It is only with the oligarchy that all potential enemies of Russia are partners and allies. And there is a simple explanation for this. Stolen money from Russia can be transferred to your "partners". And the Chinese sleep and see how to chop off the Far East and Siberia.
      1. +2
        13 August 2022 20: 25
        And you can coherently explain. Why do they need our Far East and Siberia .. angry
        1. -1
          15 August 2022 14: 42
          Why should China rock the boat if Russia has not yet decided why the war is being waged in Ukraine and the ultimate goals of what is happening. The fact is that after all, the main goal of this operation is to make money. Why the hell would China get involved in this? Goals are constantly changing all the time, or maybe the goal is so stupid that it cannot be revealed.
  2. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 09
    what, there are doubts about
    The Chinese "ally" is neither a friend nor an enemy, but - so

    Persians - they, it turns out, are closer to us
    1. +12
      12 August 2022 16: 13
      I think the fact is that the US is the worst enemy for the Persians and for Russia, but for China it is the most important market.
    2. +3
      12 August 2022 16: 19
      When you need something, it is for YOU, it will not be easy to work with anyone!
      Learn to do everything reasonably, correctly and everything will work out!
  3. +1
    12 August 2022 16: 14
    And as a result, you are once again convinced of the correctness of Emperor Alexander III, who claimed that

    "Russia has only two allies - its army and navy."

    Never doubted it!
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 16: 18
      Quote: Sergio_7
      Never doubted it!

      It depends how you look, but there were moments and negative ones. I remember 1991 August, and I remember forever.
      1. R
        +2
        12 August 2022 16: 46
        I remember 1991 August, and I remember forever.


        And what happened there? Someone probably tried to prevent the betrayal and collapse of the USSR, and the army helped this? The fact that liberda and demshiza threw themselves under tanks is her civilian choice. What claims to the army and navy ?!
        1. +10
          12 August 2022 17: 03
          Quote from Resident
          Someone probably tried to prevent the betrayal and collapse of the USSR, and the army helped this?

          Or maybe you recall the year 93, when the tanks of the Taman division fired at the building of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR? As for the 91st year, so there the troops under the command of Pasha-Mercedes went over to the side of Yeltsin.
        2. -3
          12 August 2022 17: 55
          I don't know, I don't live in Ukraine.
  4. +8
    12 August 2022 16: 18
    According to sources of the edition, deliveries to Russia are reduced by computer manufacturer Lenovo and smartphone developer Xiaomi. The newspaper noted that, despite the moderate political position of China, business is trying not to violate the sanctions of the West and the United States.
    . I just heard from such serious experts in that field .... companies from the top ten / row, they leave, they don’t want to run into sanctions ... they are replaced by companies from the second line. No worse, just not as hyped! They come with their new developments, technologies and money!
    The question is ... what is the loss on our part? New companies are not burdened with traditions, heightened ambitions and other tinsel! They came to work, earn money and so on.
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 16: 21
      There is no fundamental difference, it's just that the American market is important for Lenovo, but for some Shenzhen computers, which is actually a small factory for collecting parts for PS, this is a good chance.
      1. +6
        12 August 2022 16: 38
        It has become very noticeable, even in the products of our manufacturers, that partners and suppliers have different steels. In principle, this does not affect the equipment in any way, they have a scheme of cooperation, supplies, within the country it is well-established, already .... and they come to us and bring "their own" completely ready, without any problems and childhood illnesses.
        Moreover, they have second-tier companies of such size and turnover that we still have to create and create such companies in our country.
        Equipment with new names, but inside is exactly what you ordered. Everything works as it should for them, at home, and they put capital on the sanctions, their markets are not in the stripes, but in Asia, with us.
        In general, this is not a problem at all.
        And at the expense of small factories, that's right, small episodes, which are enough in any big business. At least, the real "basement quality" of products is not found in our sphere ... maybe it comes across in consumer goods, I don't know, not my sphere.
    2. +6
      12 August 2022 16: 55
      So the Chinese are quite flexible in this regard. They open a noname and calmly drive at a discount outside the contract limits. Faced with this
  5. +9
    12 August 2022 16: 19
    China is pursuing politics in a subtler and more pragmatic way, ours are rougher and simpler, that's the difference. We don’t have to prove anything to them, they don’t have to prove anything to us, we must be able to do things based on the possible, not the probable.
  6. -12
    12 August 2022 16: 22
    China is not an ally and not a friend ... A friend is Putin's small-medium business, led by the CSN and others, and the enemy is aliexpress wink
    That's the way they are
    1. R
      +8
      12 August 2022 16: 48
      A friend is Putin's small-medium business, led by the CSN and others, and the enemy is aliexpress wink
      That's the way they are


      Rather, autumn would come and shkololo would return to school laughing
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 17: 21
        Quote from Resident
        Rather, autumn would come and shkololo would return to school

        Excuse the indiscreet question, but how old are you?
        1. R
          +6
          12 August 2022 17: 28
          Excuse the indiscreet question, but how old are you?


          Tea is not a young lady to apologize when asked about her age))) 49 years old. (born in the USSR, 1973)
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 17: 38
            Quote from Resident
            (born in the USSR, 1973)

            Rogues, that is. I am 74th year of release. And that's why we have such disagreements, I can't figure it out.
            1. R
              +3
              12 August 2022 17: 52
              Rogues, that is. I am 74th year of release. And that's why we have such disagreements, I can't figure it out.


              Dialectic, ponimash)) I began to communicate with my neighbors very often in raised tones. Peers. One-year-olds. From another school. All the time they blame everyone (and the authorities - in the first place), but not themselves .... And I, recently, began to "extinguish" them from heavy artillery - I say that we are all from the same locality, from the same country and one year of birth .. And almost everyone had the same chances .. But someone became the commander of a passenger plane, someone became a professor, someone became an Apple programmer, someone became a professional athlete, someone became a deputy and performs on Channel 1, someone became an entrepreneur, and someone became a bandit, someone chipped and died, someone drank, someone was killed in a drunken fight, someone became a watchman ... And after all, the USSR gave us equal chances ...

              I was on your side of the moon. what is .. Terribly they pissed me off .. I considered them narrow-minded .. primitive, or something .... that’s how my existence was .. until a series of hard events put me on the brink, where only something bright and not it made me go crazy and start climbing away from the edge of the pit ..

              Now I am a confirmed optimist. I have already lived as a pessimist-negativist-thomas-unbeliever-critician for several decades .. Enough sensations ... I don’t want to anymore. Life is too short to breathe only dirt and stench .. I want to have time and enjoy the rainbow)
              1. +4
                12 August 2022 17: 58
                Quote from Resident
                Now I am a confirmed optimist.

                But I have the opposite, all the 90s I was an optimist, and then turned into a solid pessimist.
                1. man
                  0
                  13 August 2022 10: 52
                  But I have the opposite, all the 90s I was an optimist, and then turned into a solid pessimist.
                  It’s a little more difficult for me. My optimism staggered when I saw the post-August coven of liberals and finally disappeared in 92, after Gaidar’s price hike. Then I hoped that the drunkard would die, a normal president would come and restore industry, science and agriculture. The current one is good began and optimism woke up, but it was knocked down when Cam Ranh and especially Lourdes were closed after September 11, 2001.
                  Munich speech was neutralized by the appointment of a furniture dealer.
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                2. -1
                  17 August 2022 20: 35
                  Mordvin 3 (Vladimir), August 12, 2022 17:58, NEW - "...
                  Quote from Resident
                  Now I am a confirmed optimist.


                  But I have the opposite, all the 90s I was an optimist, and then turned into a solid pessimist.

                  Colleagues, I'm sorry, I'll put in my 5 cents. hi
                  I propose once again to reconsider the polarity of attitude towards "beating" feel , as an argument, remember the old bike at the sunset of the USSR good - " Optimists learn English, pessimists learn Chinese, and realists A..." belay
                  from..a similar temporal dimension.... hi
                  1. 0
                    19 August 2022 16: 17
                    Thanks for the MINUS! hi It's always GOOD when it's clear - "...Khu from who...!"[next/b]
                    To clarify the choice of the tales (sayings) indicated above, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with ...:

                    VLAD SHLEPCHENKO 19.08.2022/06/00 XNUMX:XNUMX
                    https://TSARGRAD.TV/ARTICLES/NAZVANY-PREDPOLAGAEMYE-DIVERSANTY-V-KRYMU-RUSSKIE-DOLZHNY-PRIGOTOVITSJA_607793

                    [b] SUSPECTED saboteurs IN THE CRIMEA ARE NAMED. THE RUSSIANS MUST GET READY


                    Kyiv is losing the fight on the line of contact, but is not going to give up and therefore expands the combat space, starting with the shelling of nuclear power plants and ending with sabotage on the territory of Russia.
                    Ukrainian special services launched a real sabotage war against Russia. am Most explosions occurred in the Kursk region: Ukrainian demolitionists destroyed six pillars of a high-voltage power line through which the Kursk NPP supplies electricity to the network, damaged the railway track on the Lgov-Lokinskaya stretch and blew up a KamAZ with the military, as a result of which one soldier died and two received shell shock.
                    .....
                    However, the biggest successes the enemy managed to achieve in the Crimea: on August 16, in the Dzhankoy region, between the villages of Maiskoye and Azovskoye, there was a fire and detonation in an ammunition depot. A series of powerful explosions damaged nine apartment buildings and 70 private houses; the nearby railroad was also hit. ..Local authorities had to declare a state of emergency and evacuate over three thousand people, creating a five-kilometer security zone .... No.
                    ....However, it is possible that the Ukrainian special services used the services of local Islamists. On August 17, FSB operatives covered in Crimea a cell of the jihadist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, banned in Russia. Historically, it so happened that the Nazis and Islamists easily found a common language….
                    ...We draw conclusions: there is no more rear
                    The transition of the enemy to sabotage methods of warfare, in essence, means that we no longer have a rear. It is no longer for the military, soldier accustomed to thinking that if the ammunition depot is outside the range of enemy artillery fire, then it is safe, and shells can be stacked on the ground in the open. It is not for vacationers who just want to "veg" on the beaches without worrying about any politics and hostilities. There is no rear and security even for people living a thousand kilometers from the front: if Ukrainian saboteurs can cross the border and act in the Kursk region and the Crimea, it is only a matter of time when they find suitable targets for themselves in more remote regions ....
                    R.S. Of course, you can play "optimists" and "pessimists", looking at you through the scope THIS is purple. Here, a realist has an argument to prove that THIS IS HE (looking at ...) in vain ....
                    ...
                    1. 0
                      21 August 2022 13: 59
                      In continuation of the theme, "pessimists-optimists" and "realists".
                      With the release on the topic "We draw conclusions: there is no more rear."


                      21.08.2022, 01: 29, THE MURDER OF DARIA DUGINA IS A BREAK ON THE RUSSIAN WORLD: ONLINE BROADCAST ABOUT THE TERRORIST ACT IN THE MOSCOW REGION, - https://tsargrad.tv/news/ubijstvo-dari-duginoj-udar-po-russkomu-miru-onlajn-transljacija-o-terakte-v-podmoskove_609133

                      In the suburbs was an SUV was blown up in which the daughter of the famous philosopher, ideologist Alexander Dugin was traveling - Daria. .........After some time, it turns out that Alexander Gelievich himself was supposed to ride in this car. But at the last moment he moved to another car.main version, which is voiced in the media,homemade bomb worked. Family friends have no doubt - this is a terrorist act committed by Western intelligence agencies at the hands of Ukrainian saboteurs.
                      .......13:03 Foreign journalists trampled on the tragedy in Russia. The foreign media do not hide their gloating over the death Daria Dugina. Cannibalistic headlines and frank mockery of the grief of the family show the true attitude of foreigners towards Russia and the Russian people.

                      12:28 UK - the investigation found that explosive device in a car Daria Dugina was laid under the bottom, on the driver's side.

                      12:21 Official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova: if the Ukrainian trace in the death of Dugina is confirmed, then we can safely say on the policy of state terrorism in Kyiv.
              2. +3
                13 August 2022 14: 28
                You could live on the same street, even on the same landing, but still everyone has different opportunities. Starting from genetics, personality, education. Apologists for "equal opportunities" I have always cited the example of Ussain Bolt. You could train day and night. You could have shot yourself with anabolics, you could have been given the best sportswear in the world. But you will NEVER run like him. And no one has ever been able to tell me something intelligible. So it is in life. One will become a brilliant mathematician, an oligarch, all his free time to engage in self-education. And the other is not able to understand the Pythagorean theorem. Just because of the mindset. No, there are people for whom everything is easy (I'm not talking about the inheritance of the oligarchs), there are people for whom it is not easy, but they are able to literally "gnaw out". But the majority are simply not capable of this ... Purely physically, mentally or something like that ... but they are able to become a good locksmith. But no one will pay a million to a locksmith, even a good one...
              3. +3
                15 August 2022 09: 16
                Quote from Resident
                Life is too short to breathe only dirt and stench .. I want to have time and enjoy the rainbow)

                good Beautiful!!!!!!
  7. +2
    12 August 2022 16: 25
    And what is this strange map of Russia in the article that includes only the Asian part?
  8. +1
    12 August 2022 16: 28
    Dear author Anna, what you don’t see is neither perpendicular nor parallel, this does not mean at all that we and China have nothing positive, maybe you need to study the topic more carefully ?? like trade turnover? and you can still drop the material ....
    1. 0
      12 August 2022 19: 48
      The author and so dripped. With specific numbers: "In 2021, China exported about $68 billion worth of goods to Russia, and its exports to the US and the EU together amount to more than $1 (one) trillion." You can also look at the export-import assortment. But it is also far from in favor of Russia. If it weren't for hydrocarbons and forests, there's nothing to talk about at all.
  9. +10
    12 August 2022 16: 29
    China will act only in its own, but not in our interests.

    It is high time for Russia to act only in its own interests and in no one else's. When we learn this, then we will become a real world power against which no one will dare to squeak.
  10. +5
    12 August 2022 16: 35
    Yes, nothing will change for Russia until it begins to change itself.
    Russia is helping China create a missile attack warning system (SPRN), which only Russia and the United States have so far, President Vladimir Putin said at a plenary session of the Valdai Club.


    Ku ku epti. Everyone would help someone. And let your garden burn, or let the soil be destroyed.
    And then the eyes look at the camera in surprise: why are we so disliked abroad, why are citizens unhappy?
    1. +6
      13 August 2022 14: 32
      I don't understand either. When our taiga was on fire, we sent squadrons to put out fires in Cyprus, Turkey ... somewhere else. Bl..d, put out your own, to..army in Cyprus, etc. let only 2-3-4 planes be sent there. They would be more useful in OUR taiga ...
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  11. +5
    12 August 2022 16: 45
    And do we see anything else positive from China, other than not joining the sanctions? Personally, I don’t see anything like that, neither parallel nor perpendicular.

    And now it's hard to see. In essence, the key factor is the indicator of trade between countries and imports from China to the Russian Federation. In the open press, it slips that the total volume of trade grew by 29% over 7 months, while China began to buy one and a half times more, and imports from it to Russia grew by 5-7%.
    But there is an interesting nuance here - today neither the Russian Federation nor China are interested in disclosing this data, and the information ... may not be entirely correct.
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 14: 34
      So they tell you that the turnover has grown due to oil / gas ... And with a big discount)))
      1. +4
        13 August 2022 17: 11
        And the growth in supplies from China, what does it indicate? :)
  12. +4
    12 August 2022 16: 46
    What Russians need to understand about China in the first place: - China is a manufacturing country, its sales, technologies, equipment entirely (in most cases) depend on Western countries., And Russia is mainly a resource-supplying country, and "drowns" for third world countries that they supply., hence the neutrality of these countries, since it is beneficial for them to "rake the heat with the wrong hands."
    China does for Russia what it does, no more and no less than what "a neighbor in the country house does when the neighbor's house is on fire."
    Therefore, relying on the fact that "back to back" is not correct and fundamentally vicious.
    Only emphasis on its people, resources and potential - Russia is not given another!!!
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 17: 17
      Quote: Strannik_GO
      Only emphasis on its people, resources and potential - Russia is not given another!!!

      Why do our governments do things differently?
  13. +6
    12 August 2022 16: 47
    A friend is known in trouble .. Trouble has come .. Where are our best friends? Business and nothing personal.
    1. +4
      13 August 2022 16: 31
      Quote: parusnik
      A friend is known in trouble .. Trouble has come .. Where are our best friends? Business and nothing personal.

      And where were we when they bombed Yugoslavia, Lebanon, Iraq, imposed sanctions against Iran? And how were our banks and businesses afraid to enter the territory of Crimea? Do you want to say anything about the members of the CSTO? China needs to say thank you, and continue to develop further mutually beneficial relations. hi
  14. +6
    12 August 2022 16: 50
    You see, “shoulder to shoulder”, not “back to back”. Therefore, if the US shoots Russia in the back, China will be out of business and will not respond to aggression!

    Well, why bother with words? Shoulder to shoulder and facing NATO and the United States. We have one enemy. A "quiet export" from China of sanctioned goods is quite suitable. It's just that no one shouts about it and does not get out. The fact that China is observing its own interests... It would be at least strange if Xi observed someone else's interests to the detriment of his people and state.
    Article, IMHO, wound up.
    1. +6
      12 August 2022 17: 02
      Quote from Alex
      It would be at least strange if Xi observed someone else's interests to the detriment of his people and state.

      Some people don't want to understand this.
      1. +8
        12 August 2022 17: 46
        Some people don't want to understand this.
        As for me, this article is an example of how you can raise a fuss from scratch and arrange evil))
  15. +3
    12 August 2022 17: 01
    The Chinese are by no means a fighting nation, as we think, having seen enough of the Hong Kong militants. Yes, and the mentality is completely different, if with us - the Russians take the shaft and go ahead, then with them - whoever wins is the master. Russians, regardless of nationality, we all become, protecting our country.
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 19: 22
      and WHO (according to your theories) today is the LORD (ie, in other words, who won) according to the Chainaites ??? and something seems to me (I even crossed myself, it didn’t help) that this is not Russia .. at least not the same Russia that has been chewing snot in the NWO for half a year now and wiping itself from the snot and saliva of all sorts of Labus and other pshekov .. it’s true it’s worth saying for the other side of the contenders for the MASTER (yeah, what later he will appoint China’s ‘beloved wife’) and their affairs in the power sphere are not so hot but .. and only .. so where are the Chinas (..and where should the peasant go ..) lean ... so they are likened to Van Damu (the same as Jean-Claude and widely known for his transverse twine on two stools) .. and the fact that they are more likely merchants and artisans than warriors .. well, there are no others like this for Russia ..
  16. +4
    12 August 2022 17: 07
    In relations between states, by definition, there are no friends. There are common interests. For the coming decades (and not for the first decade) they coincide with China on many points. In relations between states, by definition, there are no friends. There is mutually beneficial cooperation. The Russian Federation gives China energy (including nuclear), the military-industrial complex, and so on. We also get a lot in return. Everyone grumbles about consumer goods in thousands of containers going to the Russian Federation from China, but what would we do without it now? Europe would block everything for us, right down to the frying pans. And so there is no point in strangling, otherwise the market will completely go to China.
  17. +2
    12 August 2022 17: 09
    Let me remind you that three weeks before the start of the NWO, on February 4, Putin met with Xi Jinping in Beijing before the opening of the Olympics. According to US intelligence, the Chinese leader allegedly asked to delay the start of the operation until the end of the Olympics on February 20.



    China, too, is full of such keyboard specialists who are able to open safes in the offices of the Ministry of Defense and find the top secret information they need at any time.
  18. 0
    12 August 2022 17: 11
    What is there to remember about the Chinese, if the but father "ally" is still the same ...
  19. -1
    12 August 2022 17: 11
    China, of course, is wise, but .. And if I were in his place, I would be afraid. If the West surrenders to us both the outskirts, and much more, the sanctions will be lifted. And in return, we will kill China together. Economically and military. Yes, we will remain enemies with the West. But the West already knows that it is difficult to break us. I think he will spit, and we will continue to live in the Cold War. But China is wise, knows that we do not sell or betray. As for China, I'm not sure. Until betrayed. But then they started selling...
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 19: 24
      I don’t remember whose specific reprise, but it sounds like ... to betray in time means to foresee .. something like this
    2. -2
      14 August 2022 11: 11
      Yes, and confidence is not needed here, if the same sanctions are imposed against China as against us, it will fall apart in a couple of months. Do not exaggerate the strength of China and its industry, for how many years they have not been able to create an aircraft engine with a normal resource, we cannot either, but the USSR could do a lot and is pleased that there are still relevant technologies that help us .... And how many more wars has China won? As far as I know, not one...
  20. +2
    12 August 2022 17: 13
    The author in the general director of "RosNeft"!
    Maybe then this HosCorporation will comply with the regulations on Student Leave!!!
  21. -2
    12 August 2022 17: 15
    Alexander the Peacemaker considered the army and navy his best ally, because the people for him were just mud. After all, it was at this time that "from rags to riches" appeared. Now the army and the navy and the people are inseparable. The people provide this military power with everything necessary. In return, they receive security. How much do we ship to China. Yes and no. It will take several years for exports to China to equal exports to Europe. And in this we will be helped, as always, by Mongolia.
    1. +2
      12 August 2022 17: 26
      Quote: nikvic46
      Now the army and the navy and the people are inseparable. H

      Very separable. I am familiar with the VKS underground, so he receives a pension of about forty thousand, plus he was also given a certificate for 11 million. Who among the people will find this?
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 18: 05
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I am familiar with the VKS underground, so he receives a pension of forty thousand, plus he was also given a certificate for 11 million.

        And you yourself become an underground VKS.
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 18: 24
          Quote: Dart2027
          And you yourself become an underground VKS.

          I do not know how to lick the ass of the authorities.
          1. +1
            12 August 2022 19: 26
            well, for licking the aphedron, this is not for the VKS, but for the quartermaster ..
            1. -1
              12 August 2022 19: 33
              Quote: WapentakeLokki
              aphedron

              It's ephedron, isn't it? Injected?
              Quote: WapentakeLokki
              quartermaster..

              It's in the commandant's office, isn't it? Were they there too?
          2. +3
            12 August 2022 19: 36
            Quote: Dart2027
            And you yourself become an underground VKS.

            I do not know how to lick the ass of the authorities.

            What rank are you now?
            1. -1
              12 August 2022 19: 40
              Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
              What rank are you now?

              Private stock.
              1. +2
                12 August 2022 19: 43
                Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                What rank are you now?

                Private stock.

                As I. Well, what do you think Lieutenant Colonel VKS did not deserve a certificate? He probably risked his life on sorties ... What do you feel sorry for or what? If you start licking your ass, we will no longer become lieutenant colonels of the VKS ... laughing I don't understand the logic behind your comment.
                1. +1
                  12 August 2022 19: 53
                  Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
                  Well, what do you think Lieutenant Colonel VKS did not deserve a certificate?

                  No, he twisted the tails of the planes. Kind of tech. No, I don't deserve it, in my opinion.
          3. +1
            12 August 2022 20: 49
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            I do not know how to lick the ass of the authorities.

            In other words, I don't want to do anything.
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 20: 59
              Quote: Dart2027
              In other words, I don't want to do anything.
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 21: 00
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Dart2027
                In other words, I don't want to do anything.

                Yes, the fires of ambition are not important to me.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 21: 29
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I don't care about ambition

                  So why are you unhappy then?
                  1. +1
                    13 August 2022 01: 21
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    So why are you unhappy then?

                    By walking on the blood of others.
                    1. +1
                      13 August 2022 07: 00
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      By walking on the blood of others.

                      Well, on whose one?
        2. +1
          13 August 2022 13: 16
          Quote: Dart2027
          And you yourself become an underground VKS.

          Do you suggest that everyone become lieutenant colonels of the VKS?
          1. -1
            13 August 2022 15: 22
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            everyone to become lieutenant colonels of the VKS?

            If you don't want to, then become generals, I don't mind.
    2. +1
      12 August 2022 18: 04
      Quote: nikvic46
      Alexander the Peacemaker considered the army and navy his best ally, because the people for him were just dirt.

      Not theirs, but Russia's.
  22. +1
    12 August 2022 17: 19
    The PRC, like us, is terribly afraid that, step by step, this whole situation will result in the Third World War, or at least a prelude to it - when all parties will stand in such a way that either someone will give in, or another global mess will go for several years with wholesale destruction, Nurembergs and a variety of game from laboratories and military stores.
    In China, there are still a lot of people who found the consequences of the past destruction, well, even so, there are a lot of people who found very hungry and dangerous little ones. They have something to compare with, and therefore, of course, they value the World, perhaps even more than ours. The Chinese are careful, but it also blurs slowly. Also, the PRC is well aware that from supporting the Russian Federation in purely European affairs (and they consider what is happening in Ukraine to be such), the gain for the PRC will be minimal - in general, it will be a "prize of loyalty if something happens." But, they are already confident enough in our loyalty, and the more confident they are, the more we are excommunicated from European markets. So they do not need to put their pieces on the board - everything develops quite favorably for them, they do not need to wave the spoon - the food itself comes into the mouth.
    1. 0
      14 August 2022 16: 41
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Also, the PRC is well aware that from supporting the Russian Federation in purely European affairs (and they consider what is happening in Ukraine to be such), the gain for the PRC will be minimal - in general, it will be a "prize of loyalty if something happens."

      I think there are smart enough people in China not to think like that. For if a crisis occurs in the Russian Federation due to the situation in Ukraine, during which people loyal to the West come to power, China will be defeated.
      1. 0
        14 August 2022 22: 12
        There are no such people) and the West has nothing to offer us. They will have to lift sanctions, and in bulk, but they cannot do this, they have very good. clumsy political machine. They now stupidly do not have a group on which they can rely on in Russian society - so the Western "deflection" that was theoretically possible before February 24, after February 24 became even theoretically impossible. If earlier they could theoretically "sell China for neutral in Ukraine +", now no one will talk with the West due to complete distrust and a significant reorientation of the resource flow to the East.
  23. -1
    12 August 2022 17: 33
    We need to learn from them and remember this behavior of theirs. The situation with Taiwan will only get worse, and then we'll see who will sell to whom at a discount!
  24. -4
    12 August 2022 17: 35
    It's amazing what it is on VO!
    The article is muddy and alarmist, provocative and clearly in the wake of liberals - traitors and Americans. agents.
    "Alexander Gabuev of the Carnegie Endowment" - https://www.pircenter.org/experts/913-1703363

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Московский_центр_Карнеги
  25. +2
    12 August 2022 18: 07
    The Chinese are very pragmatic and tough, they did not have and do not have friends, only beneficial (for them) allies.
  26. +4
    12 August 2022 18: 52
    "Russia has only two allies - its army and navy."
    The famous phrase, in fact, means a complete failure in foreign policy and inadequacy.
    There was just an article about an ancient Chinese strategist, where acquiring allies was in 2nd place in importance.

    And about China ... just look at the share of the United States in foreign trade and the share of Russia, with all its neo-colonial supply of resources ...
    They wrote, and some of the leaders of Russia are not shaking hands for the Chinese authorities ... it’s clear why, (remember, about the cards of the CPSU)
    And the authorities' hints about the possible non-fulfillment of technological projects on our part (for an airliner, for example) are not encouraging.

    So we ourselves need to be "fairer" and then maybe people will reach out ...
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  28. +4
    12 August 2022 19: 19
    What kind of Chinese friends and allies - Comrade Mao showed well.
    They freed them from the Japs, helped to get rid of Chan and in 1949 sent him all the way to Taiwan, built factories, helped with the atomic bomb, dragged them into the UN Security Council (instead of Taiwan) - as a result, they got Damansky and dozens of killed Soviet border guards.
    I don’t even want to talk about the rascals in Afghanistan.

    But the American grandmother Pelosi scared them great, they met her with a parade of their military equipment and saw her off. Then against whom is all this power of the PLA?
    The Chinese communists are still traders, worse than the Americans ... It is unprofitable for them to fight with America - that's the whole point!


    1. 0
      16 August 2022 21: 09
      China became a member of the UN and its Security Council a few years after the events at Damansky.
    2. 0
      16 August 2022 21: 12
      As for the bastards in Afghanistan. And, to be honest, we didn’t act meanly towards Amin and his associates? After all, it was they who asked to send troops to their country. Our troops were brought in, but Amin was killed at the same time. But he really was a more ideological person and a better administrator compared to Babrak Karmal.
  29. -2
    12 August 2022 19: 56
    China, as usual, uses the position of a wise monkey who sits in a tree and watches two tigers fight. Whoever wins is right, and with that it is worth building relationships.

    Too bad the monkey rules out the possibility of being thrown from a tree to the ground by the tail and kicked to death.
  30. +1
    12 August 2022 20: 35
    Our trade turnover with China is 146 billion a year, this is 11th place, and based on this, we must build relations and all sorts of hopes there.
  31. -2
    12 August 2022 20: 55
    What do you want from China? Lukashenka has not yet recognized Crimea.
    1. -1
      14 August 2022 03: 38
      Ah perishing and "not recognized"? Recognize how cute! Another thing is that it does not recognize Russian. It's true. So, where should he go? Crimea, here it is.
      1. -1
        14 August 2022 07: 16
        Quote: Ivan Sviridov
        Another thing is that it does not recognize Russian. It's true

        That's exactly what I'm talking about. At the official level (legally) did not recognize Crimea as Russian.
  32. +3
    12 August 2022 21: 07
    Thanks to the USSR, the world system of colonialism was destroyed in the 20th century. Billions of people have benefited from the mere existence of the USSR. Including the Chinese. Except for the Russians, who lost everything by the end of the 20th century.

    Including what was conquered and created over hundreds of years by the ancestors - the legacy of the Empire.

    We all regret that "no friends"? Although it’s a no brainer that being friends with those who blew their own country in peacetime is the stupidest thing.

    You can console yourself with the words of Prime Minister Palmerston, said in the 19th century: "Britain has neither permanent friends nor enemies, but only permanent interests"
    We have not comprehended this wisdom even in the 21st century.
  33. 0
    12 August 2022 21: 50
    In Chinese, you can never be trusted, just watch in Chinese movies how quickly some officials get past the enemy if they are bribed!
  34. +2
    12 August 2022 22: 06
    In order not to be disappointed, one must not be fascinated.
    The Russian and the Chinese are brothers forever, as it was when Stalin helped China fight the Japanese, then he completely removed this problem by liquidating the Kwantung Army. He gave the atomic bomb, helped establish industry, introduced permanent members of the UN Security Council, including him in the top five decisive powers of the world.
    All the Chinese down to the last village knew: this is Stalin, he is a friend of the Chinese people, a true friend, although some ...
    And suddenly - bad news from the USSR: Stalin is a narcissistic tyrant, now Khrushchev must be loved and respected.
    In our country, everyone kept a fig in their pocket against this, and the Chinese were simply offended by such sacrilege, they were not used to changing faith and icons with the breath of some kind of "secretary". And that means the USSR is a revisionist state that will be defeated. Which is what happened in the end.
    And now we and China, both of us are "revisionist states" for the Hegemon .... but here, some especially gifted people are striving to liquidate Lenin's Mausoleum (a shrine for the Chinese), while erecting various Yeltsin's ziggurats, that is, ideologically for the Chinese we not yet decided.
    And they can be understood: we are all crying that no one wants to ally with us against the United States, but we ourselves are still lying under them in many issues, spitting toothless concerns.
    And any of our "ally" can lie under the Americans on their own, especially since we are also paid extra for kicking.
    So, the hope for the Americans is that Biden and Pelosi can directly forcibly make us allies with China and Iran, if they themselves have not had the brains and courage for this all these years.
    Helping China in early warning systems is not a game, but one gate, because at the same time, our capabilities of this system will expand by half the globe.
    1. 0
      13 August 2022 12: 34
      Biden and Pelosi are a good and evil cop for China, anyway, he will go where the US wants. Since this is beneficial to China itself, and this nation learned to count money, when Europeans copied papyrus books by hand, and China was already printing government bonds on a printing press. Both China and the USA know about it. China's only job is to feed its billion mouths and create 20 million new jobs a year. And this is possible only when your trinkets are bought in the West. Therefore, if necessary
      1. China will support any sanctions against anyone, as long as it is not against them
      2. If they impose sanctions on Chinese firms, then they will immediately sacrifice them (Huawei) without any delay (well, of course, after being defiantly offended),
      3. It does not and cannot hold claims to world leadership due to the fact that the Chinese model exists only for the Chinese, to enrich the Chinese and strengthen China. In Africa and Asia, they can only offer bonded debts and low-quality projects, for those who are stupid to believe in Chinese fairy tales, but nothing even remotely similar to the development model, freedom of the press, democracy, human rights, etc., or anything else, if you don’t like it (for example, it can offer total digital control, the power of the CCP and boundless, like the ocean, corruption, which is the Chinese model in a nutshell. All other nations for China are monkeys that should somehow help China in the further construction of the Great Navel of the Earth (if anyone does not know, this is how China is written in its own hieroglyphs.) Fights between monkeys are not of interest to wise China. For example, an American monkey must buy everything that wise China does, despite the fact that all ideas and patents are mercilessly stolen from that Well, what the Russian monkey should do for China, you can write yourself.
    2. 0
      16 August 2022 21: 15
      By the way, at the 20th Congress of the CPSU, the leadership of the CCP basically approved the criticism of Stalin in a moderate version. But a more radical version of this criticism was already condemned at the 22nd Congress.
  35. 0
    12 August 2022 23: 39
    So if the US shoots Russia in the back,
    So, Russia is a fool herself, since she framed her! Don't give a damn about China! They have their interests, we have ours. Their leadership cares about the interests of their people. But only. And if our leadership does otherwise, it is purely our problem. As they say, "every nation has the government it deserves."
  36. +1
    13 August 2022 03: 11
    Gradually comes. On practice. That nothing will break off from China to Russia.
    And that Taiwan he will not return. What so many pink would-be optimists dreamed of in March - April. And that China's help is profitable commercial projects for it.
    The only thing that is insulting (albeit predictable) is that this will not teach anyone anything.
    And so numerous commentators will dream of free help out of nowhere, who for some reason position themselves as patriots. Probably on the basis of the fact that they bravely downvote those who write about the unfulfillment of their hopes, that we can only rely on our own strength.
  37. +1
    13 August 2022 15: 07
    And I would not be careful to publish such "analytics" even in the "opinions" section. There is no benefit to anyone from this (except for harm).
    I would understand if the author was a serious sinologist, but there are very few of them. And in general, there are few specialists: in a democracy, specialists are not needed - everyone can go and vote as it seems right to him (he "sees" SO).
    Confirmation of compliance in the studio.
  38. 0
    14 August 2022 20: 04
    China has lost face due to the arrival of Pelosi, now 5 more senators have arrived. If China did at least something for the first time, then there would be no second. Everything will go up. Now weapons will begin to arrive, a lot of weapons. China will puff out its cheeks, issue another final warning......and then the Amricans will start to push them harder and harder. And China will kill the fish around Taiwan. We hoped in vain.
  39. 0
    15 August 2022 12: 26
    In any case, China will act only in its own, but not in our interests.

    And, excuse me, was some other policy expected from China than the one that China has been pursuing almost always, throughout its long history? o.O
    Yes, with political support, albeit very cautious, Xi Jinping did not disappoint

    Yes, Beijing did not impose sanctions against us, but, according to experts, it will not violate

    What then is "political support"? In "air kisses", that is, verbal "encouragement", or what for some reason they decided to consider as such, which China itself does not oblige to anything?
    Well, it's not support at all. From the word "absolutely".
  40. -1
    15 August 2022 21: 55
    Quote: Hagen
    We must still understand that Western civilization is somewhat ahead of us and the rest of the world in the technologies of material production, and this creates significant prerequisites for their leadership in economic development.

    Obviously high tech. But here, too, Russia has trump cards. For example, technologies for the processing of nuclear materials. Experts say that all other countries are far behind (almost forever).
    And the Soviet Union, although it was not the leader in absolutely all directions (it caught up in some places, it must be admitted, electronics, etc.), but had a number of world-class achievements. For example, we shared the technology of orbital stations with the whole world. Obviously, one cannot be a leader in all areas, no one can.
    As for the prerequisites for economic leadership in the Western world, right now they have all the prerequisites to fly into hell. Because they live beyond their means, live in debt, spend more than they generate. Last time they were saved by the collapse of the USSR, this time they are also lucky so far, they built a war game, well, as always, in general. However, luck will end sooner or later, especially since they actively cut the branch on which they sit.
  41. 0
    18 August 2022 09: 02
    here is the "help" score:
    https://news.mail.ru/politics/52661074/?frommail=1
  42. -1
    20 August 2022 14: 23
    About China, about a monkey sitting by the river and about "Russian and Chinese brothers forever" everything is clear. But I would like to narrow the topic a little. "one and a half billion" Chinese ". This fetish has been budding for more than a dozen years, many people mention it in place and out of place. But some political scientists, historians, economists, with appropriate calculations, have proven that there is not such a large population in China. Yes, the territory is huge. But, the northwest of China is the deserted deserts of the Gobi and Taklamakan, the center of China is not very densely populated. , from their middle course, in the upper reaches of the mountain and there are few people there, as well as on the Pacific coast. The above territories, where the majority of the population is concentrated, have fertile lands and a favorable climate, but these territories with their infrastructure are not able to feed one and a half billion. According to Chinese statistics, its population began to grow rapidly, almost immediately after the end of the Second World War. But, starting from the occupation of China by the Japanese and by the time of windows During the war, the losses of the Chinese, according to various estimates, ranged from 30 to 35 million people. We, with our irretrievable losses of 20 million people, still cannot restore our population, but did the Chinese start to grow immediately after the war? Those. with the coming to power of the Communists of Mao Zedong. But this is nothing more than, as many believe, a propaganda trick. According to various estimates, the population of China, at the moment, is no more than 450 million people. population. It is similar with India, but there at least 90% of its territory is fertile and has a favorable climate.
  43. -1
    21 August 2022 19: 05
    Quote: Vyacheslav Ivasenko
    About China, about monkeys ....... We, with our irretrievable losses of 20 million people, still cannot restore our population, but did the Chinese begin to grow immediately after the war? Those. with the coming to power of the communists of Mao Zedong. But this is nothing more than, as many believe, a propaganda trick. According to various estimates, the population of China, at the moment, is no more than 450 million people. population..

    And what is our "reception"? In the USSR, the population grew until 1991. And in 1989 - there were about 300 million. More than in the USA and the USA it was recognized. And if you do not admit it, this will not bother anyone.

    I would rather agree that China has 1.5 billion because it is a country with the second GDP in the world, but in terms of GDP per capita, it lags behind Russia. It's realistic.

    And if there were 450 million, it would turn out that they have an average labor productivity, as in Western countries. Do you think hiding your high level of development is a "strategic trick"? It is strange that no other state has such "techniques". Everyone wants to look developed, not the other way around.

    By the way, could you provide a link to your "various estimates"?

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