Kyiv in anticipation of the "X hour" when he will request surrender negotiations

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Adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Mykhailo Podolyak, in an interview with Le Figaro, pompously announced that Kyiv is ready for negotiations with Moscow, but only "under the condition of several important tactical defeats." Curious, whose? If we are talking about tactical defeats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then there are already more than enough of them to start negotiations on surrender. Or is Kyiv waiting for victories near Lvov and Ternopol in order to start negotiations with Moscow?

However, Podolyak went even further, telling French journalists that it was impossible in principle to reach an agreement with Russia. Like, the Russians are very insidious and at any moment they can deceive or abandon the agreements already reached.



She <Russian Federation> is making full use of its expansionist opportunities and wants to promote the status quo, which is unacceptable for Ukraine

— categorically declared Podolyak.

There is a feeling that in Kyiv they are beginning to realize the inevitability of defeat at the front and are trying to test the waters in anticipation of a certain “X-hour”, when, like it or not, they will have to agree on surrender. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities still expect to bargain for some acceptable terms. The question is different - does Moscow need such negotiations in the current situation, and even more so in the future?

According to the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov, the Ukrainian delegation "left the radar" and there is no negotiation process in this regard. At the same time, Peskov stressed, the special military operation will continue until all the goals set are achieved.

In turn, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky announced on the eve that he excludes the resumption of negotiations with Moscow in the event of referendums being held in territories under the control of the Russian army. In this case, Zelensky threatens to completely isolate Russia, apparently counting on the support of the West. At the same time, the Ukrainian president believes that negotiations "the Russian side will definitely need at some point." When this moment comes and what Ukraine will be like by that time, Zelensky does not specify.

According to Russian political analysts, Kyiv should be wary of a cooling of interest in supporting Ukraine from the main sponsor of the United States in the event of an aggravation of the conflict between the United States and China over Taiwan. Not without reason, publications have already begun to appear in the American media that openly prepare the population of the States to refuse sponsorship to Kyiv. Everything will depend on how large-scale Beijing's economic sanctions and the degree of US military involvement in the Taiwan crisis turn out to be. It is possible that the same “X-hour” for the Zelensky regime is closer than ever.
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  1. +23
    9 August 2022 11: 00
    She <Russian Federation> is making full use of its expansionist opportunities and wants to promote the status quo, which is unacceptable for Ukraine


    And what's wrong with that? And he must understand that every day the conditions and boundaries will be different ....
    1. +5
      9 August 2022 11: 04
      request negotiations and silence
      and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will treacherously begin their offensives - ours will begin to grind them
      and under these pipes we will talk - like negotiations with the fascists
      I think just our 3rd Army Corps of 12 Brigades will go on the offensive in 3 sectors
      Kharkiv, Kherson, Zaporizhia - we talked like
      1. +1
        9 August 2022 11: 26
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        will go on the offensive in 3 areas
        Kharkiv, Kherson, Zaporizhia - we talked like

        It is not clear with Kherson now. Three bridges - the Antonovsky bridge, the railway bridge and the P47 road bridge over the Ingulets - are now disabled. How is the logistics - xs. So now it’s definitely not up to the attack on this site!
        1. +9
          9 August 2022 11: 29
          And without an offensive in that direction, this will continue to happen and the Black Sea will always be shot through. Smuggling through Moldova will also go., Exactly - this should be the main direction for us.
          1. +3
            9 August 2022 11: 36
            I agree, you need to go to the PMR and Uman
            exit from the north through the nuclear power plant to Nikolaev and then to Odessa
            cut off the APU from the Black Sea
            and through the PMR to go to Vinnitsa
            from Belarus, take at least Rivne and 2 nuclear power plants, then Lutsk and the border with Poland
            actually cut Ukraine off from Europe
            1. +3
              9 August 2022 12: 02
              If the future 404 is not fenced off from Europe, then it will always be a zone of tension. Western is even easier to send to Poland
              1. +2
                9 August 2022 12: 14
                I do not envy Lvov, they will iron him in a terrible way
                like Berlin,
                all barrels of self-propelled guns, MLRS, OTRK, KR from 1000 km of the front will hit Lviv
                1. 0
                  10 August 2022 08: 07
                  A beautiful city, but people don’t even let you utter a peep here, but you understand. A truck driver enters a store to buy bread, and here he is, asking in Russian. Answer: nema bread.
                2. -2
                  12 August 2022 14: 10
                  Quote: Romario_Argo
                  I do not envy Lvov, they will iron him in a terrible way
                  like Berlin,
                  all barrels of self-propelled guns, MLRS, OTRK, KR from 1000 km of the front will hit Lviv

                  Where did you get it from? I have a vague doubt laughing that he would surrender without firing a shot! And then who will iron?
                  1. 0
                    12 August 2022 14: 13
                    Westerners do not give up - they are also Russian
                    so Lviv will be destroyed - under sea level laughing
                    1. -2
                      12 August 2022 14: 19
                      Quote: Romario_Argo
                      Westerners do not give up - they are also Russian
                      so Lviv will be destroyed - under sea level

                      What kind of rogue Russians? Lvov never even entered the Russian Empire. Now Austrians, then Poles ... Pay attention - they are always on the edge. In one place they saw this Ukraine. Pay attention to who are the main oligarchs and who are the most rabid Nazis? Do not be surprised - the vast majority are from the east, including from the Donbass ...
                      1. 0
                        15 August 2022 00: 36
                        I don't think you expressed yourself exactly.
                        Now Lviv is not a Russian city.
                        But it was founded by the Russian prince, the son of Roman Mstislavich (from the older branch of the Monomakhoviches) Daniil of Galicia (who at various times was the prince of Galicia, Volyn, Kyiv, the king of Russia) and named after his son Leo - Lvov.
                        Prince Roman Mstislavich Galitsky, the father of Dmitry Galitsky, was the prince of Novgorod, Volyn, Galicia, Kyiv. And the Galician-Volyn chronicle titles him "autocrat of all Russia" and also calls him "(king) in the Russian land"
                        His father was Mstislav Izyaslavovich, who took Kyiv from the Seversk prince Igor Olgovich.
                        In general, in the pedigree of Daniil Galitsky there were entirely all Russian princes who had nothing to do with Ukraine, which no one had heard of then. daughter of the Polish prince Boleslav Krivousty.
                        The lands where Lvov stands were captured at the end of the 10th century by Vladimir the Great, and before that they belonged not to Poland, but to the Slavic Great Moravian state.
                        Lviv was captured by the Polish king Casimir III in the middle of the 14th century.
                        By the way, the most curious thing is that Lvov, whoever it belongs to, never changed its name.
                        So he still bears the name of the son of the Russian prince Daniel of Galicia.
            2. +2
              9 August 2022 12: 28
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              I agree, you need to go to the PMR and Uman
              exit from the north through the nuclear power plant to Nikolaev and then to Odessa
              cut off the APU from the Black Sea
              and through the PMR to go to Vinnitsa
              from Belarus, take at least Rivne and 2 nuclear power plants, then Lutsk and the border with Poland
              actually cut Ukraine off from Europe

              Commander Mlyn.
              Look first at the strength of those fronts of the Second World War that were involved in such operations.
              Then look at the total strength of the RF Armed Forces.
              1. 0
                9 August 2022 13: 25
                So from this number of the RF Armed Forces, you can completely subtract the Strategic Missile Forces, all educational institutions and training grounds, the entire fleet (except for the Marine Corps), all the Air Force (except for helicopters, attack aircraft, etc.).
                It turns out that we had about 25-30 thousand airborne troops;
                Marines at the level of 7-8 thousand;
                Ground forces at the level of 150-170 thousand real bayonets.
                Well, the forces of the LDNR + Russian Guard.
                Not much. Even for the liberation of the DPR, not to mention the fact that it is necessary to hold more than 2000 km of the front line.

                And how many people are already at war? And what are the losses in killed and wounded?
                How to rotate with such numbers and make up for losses?
                You do not.
                Therefore, everything is actually in place for more than a month.
                And there will be no miracle.
                We need at least two-fold superiority over Ukraine in manpower.
                1. +2
                  10 August 2022 08: 08
                  I'm embarrassed to ask what is in place?
                  1. 0
                    10 August 2022 14: 33
                    The front line is standing. It actually does not move into the depths of Ukraine, but on the contrary left several regions.
                    1. +2
                      10 August 2022 17: 32
                      Give glasses?
          2. +1
            10 August 2022 08: 06
            Why hurry? There is a Soledar-Seversk-Artemovsk line, sorry that I didn’t mention it geographically, then Slavyansk-Kramatorsk suggests itself. And go to Nikolaev, how to provide a flank?
        2. 0
          12 August 2022 14: 03
          Yesterday I saw a car for building crossings on the Kievskoe highway, so bridges are not a hindrance
      2. -4
        9 August 2022 13: 46
        Poddubny reports that the Ukrainians near Kharkov are preparing a counteroffensive. That's just how some sofa experts looked into the water. Kherson direction is a distraction.
        1. +1
          10 August 2022 08: 10
          Therefore, they caught up with artillery precisely there, exposing the same Sands? Well, let them drive her, the more she drives, the less often she shoots.
    2. +4
      9 August 2022 11: 05
      And he must understand that every day the conditions and boundaries will be different ....

      Yes, I would also like to understand. Especially what are the conditions and boundaries today in the minds of our "main". recourse
      And then after the failure of the blitzkrieg, everything looks like "where the curve will take you."
      1. 0
        9 August 2022 11: 11
        "where the curve will take you."

        And it comes from: how much strength is enough. There are no clear tasks from the watered leadership, clear figures on the available reserves that can be brought into battle too (mob / reservists)
        What is the planning request
        1. -1
          9 August 2022 11: 25
          And it comes from: how much strength is enough. There are no clear tasks from the watered leadership, clear figures on the available reserves that can be brought into battle too (mob / reservists)

          Infa correct?
          hi
          1. -2
            9 August 2022 12: 31
            Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
            And it comes from: how much strength is enough. There are no clear tasks from the watered leadership, clear figures on the available reserves that can be brought into battle too (mob / reservists)

            Infa correct?
            hi

            Close to reality.
            If Zakhar Prilepin, who cannot be classified as a liberal in any way, and then says directly that about 5 million of our people will very quickly "avoid" mobilization, then the concept of "moods" in society and the reality of the state of affairs, among those who are in the subject , enough.
            1. -3
              9 August 2022 12: 36
              Close to reality.
              If Zakhar Prilepin, who cannot be classified as a liberal in any way, and then says directly that about 5 million of our people will very quickly "avoid" mobilization, then the concept of "moods" in society and the reality of the state of affairs, among those who are in the subject , enough

              And who is Zakhar Prilepin?

              And what does your text have to do with the two specific theses of the commentator above about knowledge/ignorance clear tasks for the political leadership and clear figures on the available reserves?
              1. -6
                9 August 2022 13: 42
                Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
                Close to reality.
                If Zakhar Prilepin, who cannot be classified as a liberal in any way, and then says directly that about 5 million of our people will very quickly "avoid" mobilization, then the concept of "moods" in society and the reality of the state of affairs, among those who are in the subject , enough

                And who is Zakhar Prilepin?

                And what does your text have to do with the two specific theses of the commentator above about knowledge/ignorance clear tasks for the political leadership and clear figures on the available reserves?

                For you, no one.
                You are just another impersonal character.

                When the head of at least some large business, enterprise organization (and the state is the same enterprise, just scalable) has an implicit knowledge of the MTR and personnel, their capabilities, their level of competencies, capacities, capabilities, standard of living, etc. - there is a blurring of goal-setting and ways to implement that very blurry goal-setting.
                1. 0
                  9 August 2022 14: 04
                  For you - no one

                  It is clear: at the first sign of "ideological danger" Tyutkin and Pupkin are immediately "brought" to the side ....

                  Prilepin - said! ZAKHAR, you understand, PRILEPIN!!!

                  Are you another impersonal character

                  For a character with the surname "Participant" - an extremely strong statement))
                  hi
                  When the head of at least some large business, enterprise organization (and the state is the same enterprise, just scalable) has an implicit knowledge of the MTR and personnel, their capabilities, their level of competencies, capacities, capabilities, standard of living, etc. - there is a blurring of goal-setting and ways to implement that very blurry goal-setting.

                  What makes you think that he is not?
                  Haven't you been informed?
            2. +5
              9 August 2022 13: 13
              Something tells me, too, that the people will reject mobilization.
              Mass evasion and desertion will begin.

              People just don't understand what's going on. After all, it’s been almost half a year since the TV shows that everything is according to plan, that we are moving forward, that it is the lot of professionals to fight there, and so on.
              And then oops! Mobilization. Because they can't do anything.

              And my government lives a comfortably old life. Preparing for elections, buying expensive chairs and cars for himself for 4 million.
              In general, they are separate, the people are separate, the army is separate.
              1. +1
                10 August 2022 08: 13
                To begin with, is the issue of mobilization generally on the agenda?
                1. -1
                  10 August 2022 14: 32
                  Without mobilization, the situation cannot be reversed even theoretically.
                  It's just impossible.
                  Therefore, many people understand this and discuss mobilization.
                  But the authorities will pull to the last.
                  1. +2
                    10 August 2022 17: 31
                    They break it, I don’t see any success with dill.
                    1. -1
                      10 August 2022 18: 47
                      Did you forget about Lend-Lease or tell us what it is?
                      They will send aviation, operational-tactical missiles with a range of 300 km, and this is already guaranteed shelling of neighboring Russian regions.
                      Airfields, air defense crews, and infrastructure will be attacked.

                      And there are no miracles. Without superiority in infantry, it is impossible to win. This is military science.
                      All our strength is worn out and not replenished.
                      Ukraine has the opposite - the supply of weapons and equipment from dozens of countries.
                      1. +1
                        10 August 2022 21: 15
                        If you had told this to Manstein in 1942, he would have laughed at you.
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2022 23: 43
                        Are the West's plans for the supply of weapons and their capabilities not clear?
                        The supply and deployment of NASAMS air defense systems will deprive Russia of the advantage in air and missile strikes.
                        You will have to fight with infantry and artillery with armored vehicles.
                        Then we have so little aviation, as the conflict drags on, its resource will be developed. There is also nothing to make up for the losses.

                        The supply of MLRS, operational tactical missiles and aviation to Ukraine will allow inflicting deep strikes on the rear and airfields in Russia - in neighboring regions, including Crimea.
                      3. +1
                        11 August 2022 07: 56
                        Konstantin, you went somewhere to the side and your thesis was about the infantry. And how is Crimea fundamentally different, mind you, I live here, from the same Belgorod region? Of course, it can fly over us.
                      4. -1
                        11 August 2022 13: 37
                        Come on, about the infantry ...
                        In the Crimea, an entire air regiment was destroyed, the loss of 14-20 aircraft and the entire airfield.
                        And Ukraine is already threatening to hit Voronezh Baltimore with missiles for 300 km, which they slipped into it ...
                      5. +1
                        11 August 2022 15: 47
                        No, okay, you admit that you said stupidity?
                      6. -1
                        11 August 2022 18: 14
                        And how will you fight without infantry if the capabilities of aviation and missiles are gradually reduced to a minimum?
                        Tanks? Artillery? Well, the territory still needs to be cleared and held by someone.
                      7. 0
                        14 August 2022 08: 23
                        There is little or no infantry, as they say in Odessa, two big differences.
                      8. +1
                        11 August 2022 15: 05
                        Without superiority in infantry, it is impossible to win.
                        The IDF smashed opponents many times superior in number.
                2. 0
                  12 August 2022 09: 28
                  If the need arises, mobilization is necessary. It is necessary to crush the ukrofascist reptile, while still on its territory.
              2. +1
                10 August 2022 12: 09
                Quote: Osipov9391
                cars for themselves for 4 million.

                Do you know that now Vesta is already worth 1,7 million ??? and Skoda is almost 3 million ???
                So 4 million in today's times is not expensive, it's almost a budget car.
      2. +3
        9 August 2022 11: 26
        As far as I understand, so far - what is under us - is ours. When the troops will master the Left Bank and the South ... and go further - I don’t know. Country 404 may not agree to negotiations even then. What to do then?
      3. +1
        10 August 2022 08: 11
        After the failure of the crush strategy, they switched to the starvation strategy. The same thing happened with the allies in the Crimean War, nothing, with problems, but they left.
    3. +3
      9 August 2022 11: 05
      No, not different! The only question is how many people can be saved, and who will have the power, and the borders - DO NOT TOUCH !!!!
      1. +14
        9 August 2022 11: 31
        Roma hi , the borders will be different for any, but we cannot leave any part of the formation called Ukraine ...
      2. +6
        9 August 2022 12: 42
        The inviolability of the borders in Europe was ensured by STRICTLY COMPLIANCE BY ALL with the relevant provision of the Helsinki Final Act...

        But ever since the "Europeans" (and, FIRST of all, Fatherland ...) began in the early 1990s, "slicing" the territory of sovereign Yugoslavia, a member of the UN, with the recognition of any "sovereignly independent", if there are LEGAL power in the capital of the SFRY, NO "do not touch the borders", as a principle of law, in the so-called. Europe is no more. By definition...

        And borders are inviolable only for those who are able to independently and effectively ensure this inviolability. As well as their "new configuration", if national security considerations so require ...
    4. +1
      9 August 2022 12: 25
      We must surrender in the process of counteroffensive. Thus, the two goals will be combined.
  2. +2
    9 August 2022 11: 03
    Under no circumstances will the Kremlin sign agreements with the junta.
    This would be a blow to Russia's own interests.
    For our country, official Kyiv is not negotiable.
    1. -4
      9 August 2022 11: 08
      That's right, the surrender of Ukraine should be signed in Fashington, and the surrender of Taiwan in the same place. What kind of battleship do they have on conservation, not Missouri for an hour? Convenient place to sign...
      1. 0
        9 August 2022 11: 20
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        What kind of battleship do they have on conservation, not Missouri for an hour? Convenient place to sign

        By the time Missouri reaches the Black Sea, we will already be in Berlin ... and if the Turks marinate it in the Bosphorus, then we will stomp to Paris ...
      2. +2
        10 August 2022 08: 15
        I won’t say for Missouri, but Iowa is definitely, by the way, not a funny ship, it’s much more difficult to intercept a shell and an armored ship, sinking it is not an easy task for anti-ship missiles.
      3. +1
        10 August 2022 11: 50
        If my memory serves me right, on Missouri, which, in volleys, "in a bad way", fired at Beirut "for the killed marines", the bow tower was demolished ...

        Someone from the "servants" apparently smoked in the hold inadvertently ...

        And so, the "barn" is very impressive. I saw, "at the neighbors" in the office, his photo, taken by our "fishermen", who were walking on a parallel course.

        The photo fit in "three frames", and occupied the entire countertop ...
    2. 0
      9 August 2022 11: 45
      will sign with Yanukovych
    3. +1
      9 August 2022 12: 32
      Quote: Flood
      Under no circumstances will the Kremlin sign agreements with the junta.
      This would be a blow to Russia's own interests.
      For our country, official Kyiv is not negotiable.

      Let's wait.
      Painfully you overestimate the interests of the Kremlin.
      1. 0
        9 August 2022 14: 47
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Let's wait.
        Painfully you overestimate the interests of the Kremlin

        Not familiar with such interests.
        And you?
  3. +5
    9 August 2022 11: 04
    It will be a pity if negotiations begin before the moment when Nikolaev and Odessa are liberated.
    1. +7
      9 August 2022 11: 10
      Quote: Kill the fascist
      It will be a pity if negotiations begin before the moment when Nikolaev and Odessa are liberated.

      As well as Kyiv with other regions. No other way!
    2. +8
      9 August 2022 11: 10
      Quote: Kill the fascist
      It will be a pity if negotiations begin before the moment when Nikolaev and Odessa are liberated.
      I do not think that our people do not take this moment into account and they will not discuss their surrender to us. Ukraine did everything to freeze our access to our peacekeeping contingent in Transnistria, but this is not forgotten and the issue must be resolved.

      PS Behind all the events, somehow the authors of VO do not remember the history of their homeland! Today is 308 years since the first victory of the Russian fleet in the battle of Gangut. Vivat Russia!
    3. +3
      9 August 2022 11: 12
      There will be no negotiations until the complete degradation of the Ukrainians
    4. +1
      9 August 2022 11: 22
      Quote: Kill the fascist
      It will be a pity if negotiations begin before the moment when Nikolaev and Odessa are liberated.

      You can pull ... in which case hi
    5. -2
      9 August 2022 12: 10
      How do you imagine it? Although this is possible if they first agree to all the conditions of Russia, and negotiations will be needed in order to clarify the details.
      Zelya recently said that there will be no negotiations with Moscow if we hold a referendum in Kherson. Before that, they only talked about negotiations with the defeat of Russia, they have porridge in their heads there, but every day their hope for victory is fading away.
      1. +1
        9 August 2022 14: 27
        They may have porridge in their heads, or maybe sawdust, but they are not the ones who make the decisions. The Anglo-Saxons will say - negotiations and the zelibobik will sing differently. And among our elite there are a lot of people who are just waiting for a good reason to start negotiations and for everything to become "as before."
        1. +1
          10 August 2022 08: 18
          Only on the other hand, there are enough of those who want to master Ukrainian capital, and this is also the top. If Kolomoisky, creating volunteer battalions, wanted to cut off Akhmetov’s property, do you think we don’t have such people?
  4. +6
    9 August 2022 11: 04
    I would like to see the surrender of Ukraine in the near future. I would very much like to. But it seems the author is in a hurry, the X-hour will come, of course, but not so quickly. Unfortunately.
  5. +6
    9 August 2022 11: 05
    At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities still expect to bargain for some acceptable terms.
    "Bargaining, I think it's not appropriate!" (C)
  6. +2
    9 August 2022 11: 07
    Complete demilitarization and denazification, with a mandatory trial of the entire ruling elite. As well as full control over the western border of the former Ukraine.
  7. +1
    9 August 2022 11: 08
    The West in one day will not turn back on the course from Ukraine. It will maneuver, catch, but will not find out. They have a problem, they understand that they are next after Ukraine, but they do not yet understand to what extent the following.
  8. -2
    9 August 2022 11: 08
    We need: Nikolaev, Odessa, Izmail, Kharkiv, Sumy, Krivoy Rog, Poltava and Chernihiv. Let the old man denatsify Volhynia. Let the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians take their own. Something like this.
    1. -1
      9 August 2022 11: 18
      For all these "We need", mobilization is necessary.
  9. -3
    9 August 2022 11: 12
    Good news. An Iranian satellite was launched from Baikonur, along with 16 smaller satellites for monitoring the Earth's surface (I will add - in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense). Here is the real result in the absence of someone who flew off the trampoline to the moon and the arrival of a new leader in space.

    It is time for Kyiv not to request negotiations, but to agree on a place for complete and unconditional surrender. I propose the Basmanny Court of Moscow, well, that would be right away, by appointment.
    1. -1
      9 August 2022 12: 35
      Quote: Boris55
      Good news. An Iranian satellite was launched from Baikonur, along with 16 smaller satellites for monitoring the Earth's surface (I will add - in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense). Here is the real result in the absence of someone who flew off the trampoline to the moon and the arrival of a new leader in space.

      It is time for Kyiv not to request negotiations, but to agree on a place for complete and unconditional surrender. I propose the Basmanny Court of Moscow, well, that would be right away, by appointment.

      Do not remember nonsense.
      Satellites are launched in turn and scheduled at least a year in advance.
      And you are attracting Liar Borisov to this launch.
      Isn't it funny to write this yourself?
      1. 0
        10 August 2022 07: 18
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Satellites are launched in turn and scheduled at least a year in advance.

        Maybe for two, only now Rogozin launched the satellites of our enemies out of turn (for him everything is green) and that’s why now everything is ok with them, and we have seams.

        About Borimov. Everything is ok with missiles in our NVO, and this is his merit, he oversaw this industry. Dissatisfied with him only the enemies of Russia.
    2. -1
      9 August 2022 12: 48
      Quote: Boris55
      Good news. An Iranian satellite was launched from Baikonur, along with 16 smaller satellites for monitoring the Earth's surface (I will add - in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense). Here is the real result in the absence of someone who flew off the trampoline to the moon and the arrival of a new leader in space.

      A weighty entry in the contest of the best comments of the year.
  10. 0
    9 August 2022 11: 13
    Be under no illusions. They need decisive breakthroughs to break the will of Ukraine to resist, supported by the US and its Western vassals.
  11. 0
    9 August 2022 11: 14
    Everything is much simpler. it will be massive. If they manage to stir something up out of this, they will call it a win and a strong negotiating position ... and they will immediately run to Fashington, they say we won, let's seat the Kremlin at the negotiating table, well, of course, striped at the head of the table .... if you fail, then Kuev understands that by the winter one way or another they will write him off, merge ... Everything will be decided before the onset of cold weather and the establishment of snow cover ....
  12. +2
    9 August 2022 11: 15
    ....Minsk-3, Minsk-4, ..., Minsk-5, ..., Minsk-(n-1), Minsk-n, Minsk-(n+1),...
  13. +1
    9 August 2022 11: 17
    If we are talking about tactical defeats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then there are already more than enough of them to start negotiations on surrender. Or is Kyiv waiting for victories near Lvov and Ternopil in order to start negotiations with Moscow?

    Does the author consider negotiations in general, even if about complete surrender, to be at least somehow real? Who and with whom will negotiate with the declared goals of the SVO? Let's assume that such negotiations begin and the Russian Federation will provide a condition for complete surrender, where then should the heads of law enforcement agencies, governments and many deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, because in fact they are all Nazis and for the most part have worked out for the highest measure. What kind of negotiations are we talking about?
    At the same time, Peskov stressed, the special military operation will continue until all the goals set are achieved.

    And this one does not decipher at all, as well as the entire leadership of the Russian Federation, what are the goals of the NWO? With the initially stated goals, according to the idea, Peskov simply had to report that no negotiations were possible with the Nazi regime and thus would have taken the Zelensky regime out of agreement, in the opinion of the Russian Federation ... and not only him, but also any Western protégé. And so vague answers only raise additional questions, and some of them are generally seditious. For example, with such an answer from Peskov: are there circumstances in which Zelensky and Company did not commit crimes and nothing will happen to them?
    1. -4
      9 August 2022 11: 28
      For example, with such an answer from Peskov: are there circumstances in which Zelensky and Company did not commit crimes and nothing will happen to them?

      Of course....
      For example, all those who signed the surrender can be declared an amnesty ....
      A whole country for amnesty is a good option ....
      1. +2
        9 August 2022 11: 51
        A whole country for amnesty is a good option ....

        The option is so-so ... If you think about it, they will be made martyrs and this is a mine for many generations .... Such an amnesty raises a lot of questions that many of those who should be convicted of war crimes will escape punishment. This will not change their personal beliefs, but will only make them lie low ... for a while. This breeds and prepares the ground for long-term terrorism. Since the Russian Federation got involved in a civil war on one of the sides, as you know, in civil wars, a brother kills a brother, and until the actual population supporting the Zelensky regime is now actually physically destroyed, or changing their views will not be punished (in real terms, and not just stand in humanitarian queue) there can be no talk of any end to the NMD and the civil war in Ukraine. Even at the beginning of the SVO, he wrote that this was a very long time, but it is really necessary so that no delayed action mines are laid under future generations, the logical conclusion of the civil war is the destruction of dissidents so that none of those who remain think about a state of Ukraine separate from the Russian Federation .
        1. -3
          9 August 2022 11: 56
          Great option...

          If, as a result of Zelensky's surrender, Russia will receive Ukraine, and Zelensky will receive an amnesty, then what's wrong with that?
          1. 0
            10 August 2022 08: 27
            And what good is an amnesty for a war criminal? Are you sure that it is he who is needed to sign the surrender?
            1. 0
              10 August 2022 11: 56
              The act of surrender of Germany was signed by Keitel, and not Paulus, who was "riding in a convoy" of the Red Army, right?
              1. +1
                10 August 2022 17: 30
                Those. we need Zaluzhny, did I understand correctly? Why Zele then?
                1. +1
                  10 August 2022 17: 54
                  Better Zelensky himself.
                  When Keitel signed, Hitler committed suicide, Goering fled, and Doenitz could not come because of the blockade ...
                  In fact, they signed Keitel as a leader.
                  And who is Zaluzhny? He is not even a government minister, not a prime minister, not the head of the National Security and Defense Council....
                  He can command the army, but he doesn’t even lead the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the NGU, not to mention civilians ...
        2. +1
          10 August 2022 08: 27
          Are you crazy? What the hell is the punishment, they voted for Goloborodko. The fact that they are drugged, yes, do you think people like you are not like that? I was tired when a Russian comes from the continent and consoles me that everything will work out for you, damn it, but what went wrong with us? I'm talking about Crimea to make it clear.
          So I know pro-Ukrainian citizens on the peninsula. Guess they took Russian passports or not? I guess you guessed it. So the hurdy-gurdy will change and you will get more Russians than you yourself are, the neophyte effect. I tell you. many of the cowards will jump out proving that they are more Russian than you.
          Yesterday I saw, for example, the Cherkassy number, what kind of round was it necessary to give in order to come to Crimea, and I also saw the German number. It totally screwed up.
        3. +1
          10 August 2022 12: 28
          Quote: Alex2048
          Even at the beginning of the SVO, he wrote that this was a very long time, but it is really necessary so that no delayed action mines are laid under future generations, the logical conclusion of the civil war is the destruction of dissidents so that none of the remaining thoughts about a state of Ukraine separate from the Russian Federation would occur .

          You may have forgotten, but the Wehrmacht, the best army in the world at that time, was broken in 4 years, and Bandera was driven 12(!!!!) years ... I even had to apply an amnesty in order to at least somehow strangle ...
          You don’t understand that no front-line peasant will tear off the last piece from his children for 8 years - just like that? Yes, I rather believe that a front-line peasant will chop their heads with an ax when they come at night or lay anti-personnel on a secret path or throw a grenade into a cache - and not will feed them for 8 years ....

          In the days of the USSR, they said they were afraid of the population. Like ...
          In reality, everything was simpler - 90% of the population there supported Bandera completely.
          The population would like REALLY get rid of Bandera, it would be like in Germany. "Herr officer in that house at night people walk with weapons !!". And after 4 months, the Werwolf in Germany ended ... completely ....
  14. 0
    9 August 2022 11: 24
    Mikhail Podolyak in an interview with Le Figaro pompously announced that Kyiv is ready for negotiations with Moscow

    ***
    - There is no place for you behind our "negotiating table"...


    ***
  15. +1
    9 August 2022 11: 25
    podlyak is a concentrated advertisement of the zapidensky infection that hit the authorities in Kyiv. For decades, neither the south nor the east of Ukraine, except for the Yanukovych gang, which made the word "Donetsk" negative, had and does not have access to the government. Paradox? No . The Zapidensky face in the photo confidently believed and still believes that in the south and east there are inferior citizens. The problem, one of the, the meaning of "citizen of Ukraine", Podoliak imperfections (their ancestors) since the beginning of the 2000s was replaced by "Ukrainian". Approximately replace a Russian with a Russian - is there a difference?
  16. +4
    9 August 2022 11: 28
    Everything will depend on how large-scale Beijing's economic sanctions and the degree of US military involvement in the Taiwan crisis turn out to be. It is possible that the same “X-hour” for the Zelensky regime is closer than ever.


    This will not help us much, we need to clean up the whole of Ukraine ...
  17. +1
    9 August 2022 11: 36
    Kyiv is ready to negotiate with Moscow, but only "subject to several important tactical defeats"
    Knowing full well that defeat can only come from Kyiv and that Russia will never talk to the Ukrainian side on their terms, they continue to drive "empty show-offs" standing out of themselves, it's not even clear who. Well, he jumped like a cockerel in front of the French media, and then what?
  18. 0
    9 August 2022 11: 40
    In turn, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky announced on the eve that he excludes the resumption of negotiations with Moscow in the event of referendums being held in territories under the control of the Russian army.

    If referendums are really held, it will be clear that
    everything is going according to the plan of Russia. If they are suddenly abandoned, then they have accepted the plans of the West.
  19. +3
    9 August 2022 11: 44
    Quote: Boris55
    Good news. An Iranian satellite was launched from Baikonur, along with 16 smaller satellites for monitoring the Earth's surface (I will add - in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense). Here is the real result in the absence of someone who flew off the trampoline to the moon and the arrival of a new leader in space.

    Hmmm ..... To put it mildly, your head is not very good .... Launches of such equipment have been preparing for years, incl. in this case, this launch is the result of the work of just the old "head of space", and the new one is not in business yet ... he only accepts them.
  20. -5
    9 August 2022 11: 48
    The fact that Russia has not yet announced the names of those who need to be denazified and where the SVO should end suggests that negotiations can begin at any moment and even with anyone who will represent Ukraine. As soon as the US gives the go-ahead. And this is a shame for Russia. Although we have already been taught to shame. One more, one less - it doesn't matter!
  21. +3
    9 August 2022 12: 03
    What kind of negotiations can there be with Kyiv if it still does nothing?
  22. -3
    9 August 2022 12: 07
    They hope to teach Russia a few "lessons" to make it clear that the NVO is not going as it should, and thus begin to negotiate on more favorable terms. In fact, they need negotiations.
  23. +2
    9 August 2022 12: 10
    It’s not figs at all to conduct some kind of negotiations with these d ...... and, you need to beat to the end.
  24. +1
    9 August 2022 12: 28
    Quote: Zaurbek
    If the future 404 is not fenced off from Europe, then it will always be a zone of tension. Western is even easier to send to Poland

    Why is this present to Poland? Let all those who are dissatisfied go to Poland, but don’t touch the land
  25. 0
    9 August 2022 12: 38
    "You are gray, and I, buddy, are gray
    And I know your wolf nature.
    With wolves, there is no other way to make the world,
    How to skin them off.
    And unleashed a flock of hounds on the wolf."


    Here the outskirts will not be, and then the hour X, and at the same time Y and Z will strike. Of course, the Natsiks would then be finished off for another ten years in all sorts of caches, but that's another story.
  26. GNM
    0
    9 August 2022 12: 44
    Adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Mykhailo Podolyak, in an interview with Le Figaro, pompously announced that Kyiv is ready for negotiations with Moscow, but only "under the condition of several important tactical defeats"

    They create "white noise", you must completely ignore their delusional babble.
    Only complete surrender!



    The poster is still up to date. Only instead of "Germans" - "Natsiks".
  27. +3
    9 August 2022 14: 56
    negotiating with murderers of children, torturers of prisoners of war and nuclear terrorists is a huge self-terrorist - they will not understand their own, and the liberated will not be so sure.

    Therefore, only a show trial of the current elite of Ukraine, and negotiations (more precisely, the terms of surrender) are possible only with new people who are not involved in war crimes, Russophobia and Nazi ideology
    1. 0
      10 August 2022 12: 33
      Quote: JonnyT
      Therefore, only a show trial of the current elite of Ukraine

      The problem is that only Zelensky has the authority to surrender. Any new people will be illegitimate ....
  28. -1
    9 August 2022 15: 11
    But I’m wondering in which part of the “interview” the scoundrels, the paddling pools believed him unconditionally ??? )))
  29. 0
    9 August 2022 19: 05
    Zelensky threatens in this case the complete isolation of Russia


    Give this clown duct tape! laughing
  30. 0
    10 August 2022 18: 49
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    from Belarus

    Old Man really doesn’t want to, but it’s necessary, because the fate of Belarus depends on the result of the NWO in Ukraine.