Ukrainian prisoner spoke about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for an attack on the Donbass

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Russia worked ahead of the curve, having managed to strike first and confuse not only the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also their Western curators. If they had delayed a little more, Donbass and Russia would have had to defend themselves. According to the prisoners, Kyiv was actively preparing an offensive.

The Ukrainian army was preparing for an attack on the Donbass, the task was to "liberate their land", while it was not excluded that, with a successful combination of circumstances, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could "go further." This was told by a captured soldier of the 53rd mechanized brigade Vadim Agafonov.



According to him, shortly before the start of the Russian special military operation, among the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they increasingly began to talk about an imminent attack on the Donbass, about the intention to "get ahead of the Russians" and prevent them from hitting first. At the same time, it was argued that the West would provide support to Ukraine, up to the introduction of its troops, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine "go against Russia." As the prisoner said, basically the talk about the imminent offensive was among the officers, political officers, some of the information was brought to the rank and file.

They carried out propaganda, brought all sorts of brochures about how bloodthirsty the Russian world is ... That Ukraine is a single nation. There was something like the ideology of fascism ... They said that we need to attack Russia, defeat this evil empire, recapture our lands

- added Agafonov.

The special military operation of the Russian army began on February 24, 2022. The allied forces of the Russian army and the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR went on the offensive. Initially, the task was to liberate only the Donbass and demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, but later the geography of the operation expanded and continues to expand.

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  1. +15
    9 August 2022 10: 54
    Russia acted ahead of the curve, but not all calculations were confirmed, unfortunately. In the first two months, all the miscalculations forced a complete change of tactics. What is also surprising is the poor knowledge of the fortified areas, of which Donetsk and its suburbs have been shelled for 8 years now. This means that for these 8 years we have been on the defensive, pursuing the policy of "Leopold the cat", and had no offensive plans. It can be concluded that this plan was developed in a short time, and not calculated enough.
    1. +13
      9 August 2022 11: 03
      In a good time, it was necessary not to steal the money of the Russian Federation, but to buy the elite of Ukraine and the economy with this money ..... and put their proteges. War is not luck and corruption of our elite.
      They are now far away, the money is with them ...... and the guys pay with their health.
      1. +6
        9 August 2022 11: 07
        And it was also necessary to buy drones and communications equipment for the Army in sufficient quantities.
      2. 0
        9 August 2022 13: 13
        Before the recognition of the LDNR, GDP announced the figure of $ 200 billion allocated from various sources to support Ukraine. Where else? Here we would figure out how, where and with what efficiency the state funds went and to attract those responsible if (if any).
      3. +1
        10 August 2022 07: 45
        But with you, probably for the first time, I do not agree. Who are you thinking of buying if the Russian elite behaves in a similar way? Yes, they would have taken the money, look at Medvedchuk, he probably promised a lot of things to Putin.
        1. 0
          10 August 2022 10: 51
          That's it. Voice this elite. What did she do with whom, etc.
          We just get a strange situation: the elite and bohemia can harm the state, and the soldiers (in the same task and situation) must fight selflessly ..... and be ideologically correct. Weird.
          1. 0
            10 August 2022 17: 29
            Naturally. Read Igor Severyanin, what vulgarity.
            Doesn't mean being a traitor
            Be happy and young
            Without hurting the prisoners
            And slowly into the shrapnel smoke ...

            Go to the theater, to the cinemas,
            Write poetry, buy a dressing table,
            And a lot of gentle and kind
            Attach to your loved one in a letter ...

            Walk along the Marine with brown-haired women,
            Twist wreaths of chrysanthemums,
            Still drinking cream with foam
            And eat cream for dessert -

            Doesn't mean yet ... Away with despondency
            And poisonous blues!
            War is war. But blue eyes
            Blue tomorrow like yesterday!

            War is war. And roses are roses.
            Poems - verses. Dreams are dreams.
            We are alive with laughter! alive with dreams!
            And if we are alive, we are strong!

            In the desire to live, hearts are strengthened...
            Live, hope and be silent...
            When it's our turn
            We will exchange flowers for swords!
    2. +3
      9 August 2022 11: 06
      Quote: barclay
      Russia worked ahead of the curve, but not all calculations were confirmed, unfortunately

      Apparently they counted only on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and did not take into account the active support of the West. They thought that after the warning "only try to intervene" the West would not dare to help. Yes, and the United States was the first to start a rumor that Ukraine can be taken in a week.
      1. +9
        9 August 2022 11: 17
        Quote: Egoza
        Apparently they counted only on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and did not take into account

        I think that everything is much more naive. We expected that most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would go over to our side, and only the Nazis would resist. Otherwise, they would not have moved so thoughtlessly deep into enemy territory, stretching the rear. And, the Nazis and their sympathizers turned out to be much more.
        1. +4
          9 August 2022 11: 38
          Quote: barclay
          I think that everything is much more naive. We expected that most of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would go over to our side, and only the Nazis would resist. Otherwise, they would not have moved so thoughtlessly deep into enemy territory, stretching the rear. And, the Nazis and their sympathizers turned out to be much more

          30 years of independence are not in vain. A generation of people was raised in the spirit of "dislike" for Russia. Not only raised, it even raised its own children. And our valiant generals thought that it was like in VO - everyone would shout cheers and throw caps ...
          1. -1
            9 August 2022 16: 53
            Quote: ian

            30 years of independence are not in vain. A generation of people was raised in the spirit of "dislike" for Russia. Not only raised, it even raised its own children.

            Still, Sharikov Polygraph Polygraphych and most Ukrainians are at the same stage of development ...
            1. +1
              9 August 2022 17: 15
              By the way, Sharikov was "very Russian" Yes
              All "majorities" stand "at the same stage of development". And Ukrainian and Russian and German. This is called the crowd effect. The intelligence of the mass is always an order of magnitude lower than any of its constituent individuals.
              It's just that every crowd has its own "TV" hi
              1. 0
                9 August 2022 17: 27
                Quote: ian
                By the way, Sharikov was "very Russian"

                Monsieur, Sharikov was not Russian...
                Have you read the book?
                Sharikov was a dog. Psom. Nicknamed Sharik.
                If you equate Russians with dogs, this is purely your opinion! hi
                1. 0
                  9 August 2022 17: 43
                  Monsieur, Sharikov was a dog who was transplanted with the pituitary gland of Klim Chugunkin, whose personality transformed the dog into a human.
                  And a dog named Sharik was the source material. Reread the novel more thoughtfully wink
                  Tell us also that this dog Sharik, by virtue of his origin from a diver, played the balalaika, served in cleaning and was going to marry the typist Vasnetsova.
                  Propaganda of bestiality in its purest form. laughing
                  According to your logic, my friend, you can also, sorry, call you a male ape .... No offense hi
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2022 18: 46
                    Quote: ian
                    Propaganda of bestiality in its purest form.
                    According to your logic, my friend, you can also, sorry, call you a male ape .... No offense

                    But where can I, a Russian subhuman, be offended ...
                    I noticed an interesting current of your soul...
                    Klim Chugunkin for you is the personification of Russianness.
                    Bravo.
                    Have you read My Struggle?
                    Your book.
                    Recommend.
                    1. 0
                      9 August 2022 19: 10
                      You know what I think, who I compare with whom, they chose my books for me .... Yes, and in our previous discussions, they constantly broke down into fantasies about the opponent’s personality ...
                      I'm sorry, but that's kind of silly. In the worst sense of the word.. hi
                      A very cheap attempt at manipulation.
                      And Klim Chugunkin for me is the personification of your kind.
                      Regardless of nationality. Do not drag the Russians into this.
                      As they say "do not confuse patriotism with idiocy" Yes
                      Good luck Yes
                      1. 0
                        9 August 2022 19: 14
                        Quote: ian
                        You know what I think, whom I equal with whom, my books were chosen for me

                        A lot of them?
                        I wrote four.
                        And about the idiocy in patriotism as well.
                        Good luck with the publishers.
                      2. 0
                        9 August 2022 19: 16
                        And you do not get sick, Klim wink
                2. 0
                  9 August 2022 18: 07
                  Well, yours
                  Quote: Paul Siebert
                  If you equate Russians with dogs, this is purely your opinion!

                  sorry, exactly repeats the old joke "citizens, everyone heard that he called me a cow !!!!" smile
          2. 0
            10 August 2022 07: 49
            The question is not, it is clear that they went over the ears, the question is motivation, that's a mystery to me.
        2. 0
          10 August 2022 07: 48
          Frankly speaking, I counted on this myself, having lived in this state from 1991 to 2014. I thought that there were agreements, that the Crimean officers knew the Ukrainians, they served together, the same brigade commander Colonel Baranyuk served in Feodosia, many people know him.
          I understand this mistake, and I like that immediately, if it didn’t work out, they changed the strategy, although such a change was an extremely unpleasant surprise.
    3. +5
      9 August 2022 11: 15
      There was only one miscalculation, and not even a miscalculation. There was hope that when they saw the Russian troops near Kyiv, healthy forces in Kyiv would make a coup and everything would be resolved without a big war. Why didn't it grow? But you never know, on the other side, too, they are not fools, they could figure out the agents, take countermeasures - this is a war, in principle it is impossible to predict everything in advance. The main prize was - all Ukraine without war. For the sake of even a small chance, it was worth a try.
      1. +6
        9 August 2022 12: 02
        Quote: puzoter
        The main prize was - all Ukraine without war. For the sake of even a small chance, it was worth a try.

        They try fat in the market without consequences. And military operations need to be calculated in detail and competently carried out, and not "try", dear. For we are talking about the lives and health of our soldiers. Doesn't it hurt you to watch videos with the torment of our soldiers in captivity? And how many killed or maimed 20-year-old boys do you know as a result of these miscalculations? This is the result of such "trials" ...
        1. 0
          9 August 2022 13: 56
          You don’t discount the other side of the scale either - how many lives could be saved if the plan succeeded? By the way, were there many military operations that went exactly as planned? Bring at least one.
          1. +2
            9 August 2022 15: 08
            Accurately by calculation happens only in a drugstore. And in military affairs, the accuracy of calculations should strive for maximum and not lead to a radical revision. This should be supported by intelligence, timely conclusions and actions.
            Quote: puzoter
            ...if the plan succeeded?

            The idea would have succeeded if there were reliable information about the state of affairs in Ukraine.
    4. +6
      9 August 2022 11: 17
      Russia has been gathering an army on the border and in Belarus for the last year and a half, and plans have certainly been written during this time enough for all occasions. In fact, Russia initiated an escalation with NATO and promised to resolve the issue by military means back in December. Do you really think that she did it out of the blue without any plan?
      1. -4
        9 August 2022 11: 43
        Quote: puzoter
        Do you really think that she did it out of the blue without any plan?

        This is self-justification. All the same, being the attacking side is internally uncomfortable. Because "If we didn't have them today, they would have us tomorrow."
        1. +5
          9 August 2022 12: 04
          In addition to internal comfort, there are enough other motives. And although morally we are still at a relative loss, but the initiative is completely in our hands. We can wage war in the way that is most beneficial to us, without fear that the urapatriots in white anger will start tearing the country apart from the inside. If we had waited for the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then our actions would have been much more controlled by our enemy, whose main goal is to change power in Russia.
          1. 0
            10 August 2022 07: 54
            Why are we losing? I understand that propaganda works better there, but almost 200 thousand dead and wounded cannot but work against it. It is understandable with the dead, but the wounded, who become disabled, not only have lost their breadwinner, they have acquired a freeloader. Are you thinking. that it does not hit the brain?
        2. -5
          9 August 2022 12: 19
          Quote: ian
          All the same, being the attacking side is internally uncomfortable. Because "If we didn't have them today, they would have us tomorrow."

          Well said. I completely agree. Hence all these theories about preemption, nonsense about a possible NUCLEAR bombing of Voronezh and Rostov, about dirty bombs, etc. Here, some Vadim Agafonov tells us how the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the Donbass would have attacked the Kuban ... Is this true? Now we will never know.
          1. +8
            9 August 2022 13: 03
            Just imagine what a howl would be if the APU really attacked. All dogs would be hung up on Putin: both that he overslept, and that he was indecisive, cowardly, etc., etc. stuffed with all sorts of javelins under the very cover. And at the same time, any additional provocation like a dirty atomic bomb (not so unrealistic) would force us to act even more aggressively and suffer even more losses and have even more discontent within the country. We would simply be torn apart like a clown by the strings.
          2. 0
            12 August 2022 10: 38
            The West supplied weapons to Ukraine before the conflict.
            The fighters were trained by Western instructors.
            There was a powerful propaganda for the return of Crimea and Donbas by force.
            Zelensky said he wants a nuclear bomb
            30 tons of plutonium found at Zaporozhye NPP
            These were facts and you cannot dispute them. And for sure, intelligence still reported when the offensive would be. And what to expect as in 41 when the enemy will attack first? No, that's enough. Better hit first.
            So, in fact, there were many aggressive and unfriendly steps, and now there is no need to try to convince us that an offensive was not being prepared.
            What steps did Ukraine take to peacefully resolve the situation in Donbas????
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 12: 30
              Quote: maratkoRuEkb
              Zelensky said he wants a nuclear bomb
              30 tons of plutonium found at Zaporozhye NPP
              These were facts and you cannot dispute them.

              Well then, perhaps you can confirm them? I'm not talking about the clown's statement, I'm talking about 30 tons of plutonium found. Well, in general, to find nuclear fuel at a nuclear power plant, well, this is something from the realm of fantasy! laughing
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 13: 32
                1) everything is well written)) https://pikabu.ru/story/kak_zelenskiy_odnim_vyistupleniem_dal_kazus_belli_na_voynu_8866938
                2) https://topwar.ru/196808-v-magatje-obespokoeny-na-zaporozhskoj-ajes-hranilis-gigantskie-zapasy-plutonija-i-obogaschennogo-urana.html
                here you are.
                1. 0
                  12 August 2022 19: 52
                  Quote: maratkoRuEkb
                  1) everything is well written)) https://pikabu.ru/story/kak_zelenskiy_odnim_vyistupleniem_dal_kazus_belli_na_voynu_8866938
                  2) https://topwar.ru/196808-v-magatje-obespokoeny-na-zaporozhskoj-ajes-hranilis-gigantskie-zapasy-plutonija-i-obogaschennogo-urana.html
                  here you are.

                  What? These are the very facts that, according to you,
                  Quote: maratkoRuEkb
                  These were facts and you cannot dispute them.

                  Are you seriously? Two links to do not understand whose conjectures? No, of course, after your ultimatum comment, I suspected that you were not quite umm, well, yes ... But not to the same extent ...
                  1. 0
                    15 August 2022 10: 28
                    1) In the sense of conjecture?? Here is Zelensky's quote: "If they do not take place again, or if there are no security guarantees for our state as a result of their results, Ukraine will have the right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum does not work and all package decisions of 1994 are called into question."
                    He bluntly said that he spits on the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
                    The next step for the US could be to provide them with a nuclear bomb for defense, for example. Or start doing it yourself.

                    2) https://ria.ru/20220306/zaes-1776879391.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

                    https://tass.ru/politika/13984447

                    https://uz.sputniknews.ru/20220306/ukraina-byla-ochen-blizka-k-sozdaniyu-yadernogo-orujiya-23175385.html

                    3) Reports from nuclear facilities about the presence of any nuclear substances are probably sent to the IAEA, and on this basis, apparently, the IAEA makes such statements, because Ukraine itself provides such data, within the framework of the agreements concluded.

                    4) Ukraine lacked only centrifuges for uranium enrichment, and there is everything else to create a bomb. I have no doubt that there would be kind people who would fit such equipment. Right now, they are supplying weapons, just think about bringing in industrial equipment.

                    Intelligence also had developments on this topic, so all this in aggregate was sufficient reason to frustrate the plans. If inadequate leaders are at the helm in a neighboring country and threaten to make nuclear weapons, why should you wait until they actually have them, or should you still act ahead of the curve and punch them in the face?
    5. 0
      10 August 2022 07: 43
      So the Ukrainians started first, they sent 2 DRGs, you can’t even find fault here, although it’s clear that the NWO was prepared in advance. It's hard to disagree with your thesis.
  2. +2
    9 August 2022 10: 56
    Pink cheeks, smiling...
    And a couple of months ago I guess I zigged what
  3. +5
    9 August 2022 11: 00
    A cook, I didn’t take a weapon in my hands, I want to go home, I love Russia and relatives living in it Yes only execution ... these are ideological Nazis, now they play the role of "captivity", they were taught this ...
  4. +2
    9 August 2022 11: 01
    This Agafonov is a prisoner of ideas instilled in him and people like him by the US intelligence services in the former Ukraine. In this sense, he is a prisoner of US policy, and not a "Ukrainian prisoner."
    By the way, what does Mrs. Comrade General Moskalkova do? Who forms and implements the policy towards Russian servicemen who are held captive by terrorists (Ukrainian prisoners)? What success has the "Ombudsman" achieved?
    It is expedient to establish a special body and a special commissioner.
  5. +4
    9 August 2022 11: 16
    This was already known and proves the correctness of President Putin's decision.
  6. +2
    9 August 2022 11: 21
    Yes, damn it, they talked about it from the first days, nothing new.
  7. +5
    9 August 2022 11: 25
    They said that we need to attack Russia, break this evil empire, reclaim our lands


    There was no doubt about it, but as always, the reality turned out to be a little different and plans, especially ours, have undergone big changes ...
  8. -4
    9 August 2022 11: 25
    It is possible that it was so. But then the question arises: Why would an army preparing to go on the offensive build powerful defensive fortified areas?
    1. +2
      9 August 2022 13: 35
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      It is possible that it was so. But then the question arises: Why would an army preparing to go on the offensive build powerful defensive fortified areas?

      and it was naive for them to understand that in the event of the entry of Russian troops, they would have to roll back?
    2. +2
      9 August 2022 15: 30
      These fortified areas were built for eight years. When they were built, they also had other plans.
    3. 0
      9 August 2022 15: 53
      Instructed minuses lol . And not a single "tactician", or "strategist", or "expert" explained why the army preparing for the offensive needed powerful defensive structures!
    4. 0
      10 August 2022 07: 57
      Do not know? Fortifications allow you to release troops for the offensive, because they stupidly need less for defense.
  9. -5
    9 August 2022 11: 34
    Ukrainian prisoner spoke about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for an attack on the Donbass

    I wonder what he had to say? I think that even not many, all without exception, after proper processing, would have told that the sun rises in the west and that the Earth is the center of the creation of the world ... And he just told what he knew and confirmed what everyone knew. The only question is how the author submits this without even thinking about stuffing everything that Ukraine was planning an attack on the Donbass. But in fact, before the NMD, even the Russian Federation recognized the statehood of Ukraine, including over the Donbass, but in this situation, how can the state attack its own territory?
    The article is pure agitation and essentially does not carry any news.
  10. -2
    9 August 2022 12: 02
    It would be better if they showed the captured documents-orders approved by Zelensky, plans for the offensive. This is more serious than some private in an attempt to save his life said something there.
    1. 0
      9 August 2022 13: 35
      Quote: vindigo
      It would be better if they showed the captured documents-orders approved by Zelensky, plans for the offensive. This is more serious than some private in an attempt to save his life said something there.

      didn't show?
    2. Urs
      0
      9 August 2022 13: 56
      Yes, they showed.
      The fact that these documents exist and are attached to the case is a fact, though these are plans approved by the General Staff, I didn’t sign such papers. type tribunal over ukrofascism. maybe by that time this sharashka will be closed for non-payment for gas and electricity No.
      1. 0
        9 August 2022 20: 15
        If these documents are there, then everything is under control. good As they say, without a piece of paper you are a poop, but with a piece of paper you are a person.
  11. +1
    9 August 2022 12: 15
    If Ukraine concentrated its troops on the border with Russia, then it was necessary to strike a crushing blow at them, and not think that they would start to defect to the side of Russia.
  12. +1
    9 August 2022 12: 52
    Gentlemen
    Ukrainian propaganda is always an inch ahead of you. I watch carefully and still read. The trial of the soldiers in Bucha began again. Ukrainians hold court and force Russia to be silent. Who is silent is weak. Only an attack will help in this area. am
  13. GNM
    0
    9 August 2022 13: 17
    They carried out propaganda, brought all sorts of brochures about how bloodthirsty the Russian world is ... That Ukraine is a single nation.


    1. Urs
      +1
      9 August 2022 14: 04
      Cool illustration. Straight to the point "war to the last Ukrainian."
      I think everyone understands who are sheep and who are wolves? bully bully
  14. 0
    10 August 2022 03: 30
    Unfortunately, there are quite a few of our population who believe that they should have waited and not attacked first.