Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the arrival of the first German anti-aircraft installations Gepard in Ukraine

The Ukrainian military calls the self-propelled air defense systems supplied by Germany the best in their class. This is stated in the press release of the Operational Command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in which its representatives announced the arrival in Ukraine of the first three German anti-aircraft guns Gepard.

In total, it is planned to supply thirty such combat vehicles.

These complexes will cover important infrastructure facilities from attacks by helicopters and aircraft at low and ultra-low altitudes.

- say the Ukrainian military.

One of the features of this technique is that it is able to operate effectively even in conditions of active electronic suppression by the enemy. Targets are determined using two radars, the range of which is 15 thousand meters. ZSU "Gepard" is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 meters to four kilometers. To do this, it is equipped with two automatic guns of 35 mm Oerlikon KDA caliber.

Anti-aircraft installation mounted on the chassis tank Leopard 1.

The crew of the self-propelled unit consists of three members. This is the commander, driver and gunner.

In a number of European countries, the complex appeared in service after the 60s, when its development began. In the 2000s, it was replaced with more modern weapons, but then they occupied an important place in the air defense systems of Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Comments

[ex_paragon]

Well, now the hunt for these nedotunguskas will go.

[neworange88]

The hunt for them should go on even before they arrive at the front. For this, it was necessary to suppress air defense, allowing aviation to bomb the communication routes along which weapons are supplied from the West for days. What? Decided to score? Let them supply what they want.

Cool pasta as humanitarian aid arrived in Lviv
https://t.me/s/avdeevkaru

[Borik]

Ukraine has a huge variety of weapons. This is a headache for the quartermasters to provide all these weapons with ammunition and spare parts for engines and units.

[NIKN]

Quote: Borik

This is a headache for commissaries

In my opinion, apart from the problem of who to sell to, other problems are not particularly considered.

[Thrifty]

They can use cheetahs as a kind of analogue of the Terminator, remove locators from them, mount launchers for Stunga, put dynamic protection and armored screens on the hull and turret.

[zloybond]

Hunting is hunting, but for some reason the German ambassador to Russia was not sent home ....

[General70]

No need to be so frivolous about the Cheetahs, the Romanian army has modernized Cheetahs equipped with two twin rocket launchers, they may end up in Ukraine

[Borik]

Do we have Cheetahs in our collection in Kubinka or not?

[kor1vet1974]

The first three for recycling?

[Carlos Hall]

They won't last long.

[General70]

If they act from ambush, they can cause significant damage to lightly armored vehicles, as well as tanks in the side projection

[Luminman]

about the arrival in Ukraine of the first German anti-aircraft installations

And nothing is said about the return arrival of our gas to Germany?

[Romario_Argo]

there are no turbines for SP-1 yet, they seem to be, but no one knows what to do with the same insurance when the project itself is under sanctions, and other SP-1 turbines also require repair and maintenance. in case of emergency, who will pay (?) - Europe does not want - Sanctions
Gazprom does not care - we are waiting for the cancellation

[dmi.pris1]

As I understand it, Gazprom, under any pretext, is curtailing gas supplies to Europe. Although, for me (since I am not a state employee and not a Gazprom employee), there should be no supplies

[Serg koma]

Quote: dmi.pris

Gazprom under any pretext

Gazprom is engaged in "arm-twisting" forcing the Germans to launch the SP-2.

[dmi.pris1]

You can twist your arms by closing the tap on the ruin.

[Uprun]

Well, yes, they wrote earlier about the next superweapon for the outskirts, do not lie, the development of the 60s of the last century. The radar starts to glow for 15 km, and this instance fires at 10 km. Is it possible for ground targets in defense ... or like the Terminator - support for tanks in the offensive ... A weapon is a weapon in Africa - it kills, but put it on a par with the hameras ...? It is clear that the air defense is almost knocked out ..., here you will be happy with a slingshot ..., however, the outskirts flatly refused the Spanish guns of 1939 and "warthogs" .... How to understand them as despicable?

[donavi49]

At 10 km, even along an optimal parabolic trajectory, he will not shoot somewhere there.

This is a more advanced Shilka and nothing more.

Personally, I can't imagine how they can be applied at least to some extent effectively. He will not reach the turntables / Su-25s that are pitching over their territory. Cover radius is very small. Having a low-altitude radar, he may well shoot down calibers, but again, you need to be on the route in combat readiness. The maximum is to concentrate them at some objects, like MZA against KR. But this requires quantity. These three can conditionally cover 1 bridge and the one with holes or some kind of headquarters, but one from the KR, not the OTRK.

The Germans could supply Rolands from storage bases, and no clown circus with a replacement for Swiss shells would be needed. For Germany-France rockets, and they are still in active service and quantity can be supplied (they are traded by the way).

In general, if it is the United States that does not have military air defense, only a Humvee with stingers up to M113 Vulcan from the times of Vietnam (I do not take into account piece crafts on the Stryker), then in Europe it is quite developed - Krotali, Rolands, Asrady (the Swedes have missiles for it at 8.5 range / 5km ceiling), the same Rapiers. Luckily, none of this has been shipped yet.

[dmi.pris1]

A good weapon, Oerlikon, is at this installation. And so, Shilka and Tunguska are already all of the kakalas?

[donavi49]

Wasps and Beeches are still there for sure - they flicker. Arrows-10 too. According to the receiver, I saw the last Shilka in the tapes about a month ago, but this does not mean that they do not exist.
Tunguska initially had 3,5 live cars (in a couple of brigades, including 1 selection, which does not shine at all and it is not clear where all the last months).

[dmi.pris1]

They are also adjusting the Norwegian-Amerz system and planning a German one. But it will all be an objective air defense system.

[donavi49]

2 Nasams complexes have already been adjusted and now the missiles are delivering the second package in a row.
The German system is still at the factory - 11 complexes bought them, 1 will be in the fall (or winter).

However, again, suppose Nasamses are doubled - 4 objects are covered + Toffee 1 (it is already more difficult to stretch there). In terms of volume, it's nothing.

If the Germans return to Roland, the Germans have 3 regiments of 6 batteries (36 launchers) of Rolands 2 and 5-6 batteries of Rolands 3. Conditional 2 regiments from storage (72 launchers) - this would already be noticeable. Even in France, Crotals are rusting in the amount decommissioned, and even a conditional third is 4-5 batteries. About Rapiers, which are cast iron, are almost never used for countermeasures, are transported by Toyota and are in large quantities, I’ll just keep quiet (well, yes, there are delays in missiles, and if you take the amount of 12-15 years of surstromming - well, Wasps, Beeches only delay now and shoot at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are no strangers).

This is me to the fact that the EU, with the exception of Poland, the Czech Republic / Slovakia, Norway, denotes more and PR on deliveries.

[Petrik66]

"Rolands" will be needed for the Poles and Chukhons when their turn comes.

[dmi.pris1]

There is military air defense in the freelancers. True, in some types they begin to give preference to European systems.

[yaglon]

Which M113 Vulcan? It has long since been decommissioned.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: donavi49

The Germans could supply Rolands from storage bases

Argentina had Rolands in the Falklands. There were raids by the English Harriers, but there were no reports of the effective use of the Rolands.

[donavi49]

And the Arabs had something, but nothing helped. It is not iron that is fighting, but a built-in system.

[Popandos]

and this instance shoots at 10 km

At 10 km, even along an optimal parabolic trajectory, he will not shoot somewhere there.

Read carefully to the end of the article

ZSU "Gepard" is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 meters to four kilometers.

This crap is effective only on UAVs.
Planes and helicopters can hit it without going into the radius of the cannon, the only option is an ambush, with guidance from a third-party control center.

[donavi49]

About 10 km - I answered the commentator above.

Against UAVs, yes, but then they need full-time sets, with the addition of batteries to mechanized companies on the march, for example. Then the Eagles will have a hard time. But they are not in quantity.

It is capable of operating against the KR with cannons (like any similar complex) - but you need to be on alert on the route or at a fired object with a path (and if we are talking about a city, this is also a problem) for shooting.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from uprun

How to understand them sloppy?

No way! Warthogs were flatly rejected ... and the British Old Testament Saxons, who not even all of them could reach, were pompously extolled as a child prodigy.
This is so surreal that you can not try to understand.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, in addition to the Old Testament ones, they also installed skystreaks. And this thing will be better than a stinger

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The article says 4 km bullets.

[Kesha1980]

Video on Move - watched the video, understood little, but the owner of the video earned a small denyuzhku.

[ex_paragon]

What kind of greasy artiodactyl crawled out and desperately minus?

[lis-ik]

Quote: ex_paragon

What kind of greasy artiodactyl crawled out and desperately minus?

For hats.

[AUL]

Yes, there is one small offended dirty trick here. Let minus, who is bad for this? And this creature will amuse itself, you see, and feel better for the wretched!

[Luenkov]

The Germans are asking for war...

[Amateur]

We ran out of our Shilka, did you decide to try the German ones?

[ex_paragon]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: ex_paragon

What kind of greasy artiodactyl crawled out and desperately minus?

For hats.

For disgusting

[Kiril Letov]

Given the air launch range of modern missiles and UAB, it can only be effective when combined with a network of numerous and competent MANPADS operators located in the rearguard using a tactical real-time data exchange network. Whether the APU has such a network is a BIG question. Otherwise, with many attacking targets, such as loitering ammunition or UAB, he himself risks becoming a pile of scrap metal, even when using air blast ammunition.

[Two]

When will they start hitting the delivery routes?

[Grits]

Quote: Dos

When will they start hitting the delivery routes?

I think never again. The train left.
Besides, what to beat? Our aviation operates only in the front line - it is afraid to fly further. In honesty, because he is afraid of any anti-aircraft evil spirits in the form of such antiquities as this Cheetah

[iouris]

What joy is the Euro-Nazis!

[Alexey-74]

They will be destroyed, just like all weapons, including air defense systems. Happy hunting to ours!

[Observer2014]

Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the arrival of the first German anti-aircraft installations Gepard in Ukraine

BASF! Shut up.

[RED_ICE]

The crew of the self-propelled unit consists of three members ...

[Ros 56]

Shilka, Tunguska, Cheetah - one field of berries, and outdated.
Let's look at the fate of this animal. There, in Banderastan, a lot of things have been and a lot is already in the net.

[mad big]

Well, one can argue about Tunguska. Although the Shell replaces it almost completely.

[laws70]

Tigers remained only in museums, otherwise the Germans would have driven them out ..

[Petr_Koldunov]

So this is the time of Shilka apparatus! I am not a specialist in anti-aircraft artillery ... tell me, how much harm can he do to modern aircraft from such an antediluvian grandfather?

[Captain Pushkin]

Cheetah is ten years younger than Shilka and is dangerous for any low-flying target - the reaction time is less than that of MANPADS, and the damage radius is comparable.

[mad big]

My son is on vacation for two days. Helicopter. He said that for the Alligator it would be easy prey.

[Two]

Good luck "baby" and easy targets!

[mad big]

The alligator will just see it earlier. And by turning on the locator, the Cheetah will turn into an easy target.

[Zaurbek]

That's what a radar is for. They have up to 20 km detection and selection of targets ...... but in general, anti-aircraft guns are needed to cover columns on the march.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

In short: if they see these cars somewhere, then some important object is nearby ...

[Got it]

Germany does not press anywhere ...? Military equipment with crosses is again on Russian soil, what a short German memory. How can we even supply gas to their industry for the production of equipment that kills our people?!

[TatarinSSSR]

This is a very strange war... Entire countries are openly transferring weapons and BP, intelligence information to our enemy, teaching his military how to kill Russian military and civilians, transferring huge amounts of money for the war against us and... We didn't even break the diplomatic relations with anyone. relations, we did not expel their ambassadors, we did not impose terrible sanctions for this, we did not openly arm their enemies and foes, and train them. We continue to trade with enemies and supply them with strategic raw materials, energy resources and goods. We have been expelled from almost all kinds of international sports, and we are asking to return and are looking for negotiations with the enemy. There are night clubs in the capital of the enemy, there is electricity throughout the territory of the enemy, gasoline at gas stations, railway communications work and whole bridges operate. The chief of the general staff and the president of the enemy sit quietly in their offices in Kyiv. Brad, not CBO.

[donavi49]

That's about the same indignant under Nicholas 1. The Prussians openly supply weapons, place orders for the coalition.

In general, the Austrians started mobilization, they openly gathered to return the Danubian principalities.

And receptions in St. Petersburg are coming from the Austrian and Prussian courts. There is no trade going on.

We continue to trade with enemies and supply them with strategic raw materials, energy resources, goods

Because people there think. Even if gas, oil and other resources are cut off now, Europe will survive. They survived the oil shock for 73 years - when there was a complete priest, with the cutting down of city parks. For now, they are already ready to survive this winter relatively comfortably (that is, without tin 73). Next year they have optimistic plans for a serious increase in external supplies.

On the other hand, this is a billion a day minus the arrival of foreign currency, without which the budget cannot be fulfilled, which means that pensions, salaries, and 220k volunteers will no longer be paid.

[Grits]

They call it Cheetah, it says Tiger, and in coloring it looks more like a crocodile.
By the way, did they bring cartridges to him too?

[Two]

According to the old Oerlikon habit, they dragged it through the "backyard"! Directly for no reason - neutral they say ... Reptiles!

[iz odessy]

it's hard to understand that. The Kremlin, judging by how everything is developing, still misunderstands something. This "something" is a possible question about the adequacy of power in the Kremlin. Hypocrisy and face play is the Ukrainian style of power. Jews and Shirye are now rejoicing and afraid, but they are less and less afraid. The words "we haven't started yet" became less and less scary for them. Germany. This homeland of all the large-scale horror of the 2nd world also plays. How to stop this game, this shit, when every day there are millions of cubic meters of Russian gas and thousands of tons of oil, a cheetah to destroy Russian aircraft - from there to enemies? What about the perception of "partners" is still wrong. Economy? So translate and it was necessary for a long time - in a military way, carry out moral and political work with the population, recognize the problem before it's too late

[Ed]

And we will supply the Germans with more gas

[ex_paragon]

Well, who downvoted my post about hunting for non-Tungusks? Artiodactyls, congratulations - one has already been filled up

[Reserve buildbat]

"Best in class", taken out of service almost 20 years ago due to obsolescence and inability to somehow perform air defense functions. Skakuas, as always, declare any natokaku a wunderwaffe.