Remains of American anti-radar missile AGM-88 HARM found in Donbas

The Ukrainian Air Force can use American anti-radar missiles AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) against Russian air defense systems. The remains of one of these missiles were found at the positions of the allied forces.

A number of photographs appeared on Russian Internet resources, reportedly taken somewhere at the positions of Russian troops in the Donbas. It is alleged that the images show the remains of the American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile, which allegedly could be used by Ukrainian aircraft against Russian air defense systems. The description says that the belonging of the remnants to this type of missiles was given out by the inscription on the remaining whole piece of the tail unit, one to one coinciding with the markings of these missiles.

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983. It is capable of targeting high-frequency radars, the latest modifications are designed to destroy radars with a change in operating frequencies. The rocket is designed, of course, for American aircraft, plus some European ones, in particular the Panavia Tornado. There is no information that the rocket was installed on Soviet-made fighters.

Tail fragment with markings

At the same time, this missile can also be used from improvised ground installations, this opinion was expressed by the bmpd blog. Israel has experience in creating such installations; in the 70s, they used AGM-78 Standard ARM anti-radar missiles from a ground platform.

There is also no official information that the United States or another country supplied AGM-88 HARM to Ukraine, but Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov has repeatedly stated that he expects supplies of such missiles from the West.

Comments

[January]

I won’t be surprised if there are planes there at some point.
On the sly there at least a fucking bomb can be drained. There would be a desire. And they have a desire...

[Leshak]

Quote: ian

I won’t be surprised if there are planes there at some point.
On the sly there at least a fucking bomb can be drained. There would be a desire. And they have a desire...

Not only desire, but also opportunity. We either do not want or cannot stop the supply of Western weapons.

[Fedor Sokolov]

It amazes me how these Western-made Haimars and howitzers get directly into the war zone, for this they need to overcome a long distance from west to east, crossing a natural water barrier in the form of the Dnieper River and delivering them by civilian transport is impossible. armament.

[January]

Why is it impossible? How do you think it gets to the front? Exclusively autotrawls or zhd transport. Completely calm. Very rarely, the Russian Federation catches this equipment at the time of unloading or at accumulation points.

[Fedor Sokolov]

Heavy military equipment is not a needle in a haystack, it is much easier to find it (especially on the march), which means our intelligence is not finalizing it.

[navigator777]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

Heavy military equipment is not a needle in a haystack, it is much easier to find it (especially on the march), which means our intelligence is not finalizing it.

They drive on public roads next to civilian vehicles, how to destroy them? And what?

[AdAstra]

In this regard, we need to take an example and learn from the Jews.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: navigator777

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

Heavy military equipment is not a needle in a haystack, it is much easier to find it (especially on the march), which means our intelligence is not finalizing it.

They drive on public roads next to civilian vehicles, how to destroy them? And what?

And when do you see strikes on the bridge in the Odessa region, by our Caliber in the daytime and a bunch of civilian vehicles?
Or is it impossible to remember, do not want to?

[solar]

And how to find it if the VKS practically does not fly further than the LBS? And even if you find it, then how to strike at it again, taking into account the fact that the VKS does not fly there? Calibers on moving targets do not work ...

[EvilLion]

VKS fly where they want, but nothing will change from the fact that a fighter flies 500 km. He does not have the technical means to detect individual combat vehicles, especially if all this is mixed with civilians. It is necessary to send hundreds of large drones. Not the nonsense that stupid people advocate, but normal airfield-based UAVs with a range of 1000 km. minimum. And these drones will go astray. That is why they hammer precisely at the points where it is easier to detect, for example, unloading stations.

[solar]

For strikes against mobile targets, air reconnaissance data is needed, she has been doing this for centuries, when drones were not even heard of yet. And for this, aviation must be in the air in the right area in the depths of the enemy’s defense, both for reconnaissance and for striking. Which hasn't even been heard of lately.
And for unloading stations, here there is enough informant in the right place and long-range missiles. But efficiency, of course, is quite different.

[EvilLion]

Namely, it is much smaller than a needle, and it is technically impossible to view the road for hundreds of kilometers. I have a feeling that you played strategy games, where the whole planet is sometimes shown entirely on the map. But in reality, even the territory of the Ukrainian SSR is a lot.

[Vladimir 290]

A very correct impression. They also probably reviewed different sea devils, everything is shown from the satellite at once, even with signatures. Another plus is the belief in some kind of indestructible and invisible drones, which "yesterday" should have been hanging over the entire territory of Ukraine, looking under the awning of trucks and finding out what is being transported in the cars. Well, the enemy, in addition, should be stupid, not disguise, not use air defense and electronic warfare, I'm not talking about American intelligence.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Vladimir 290

A very correct impression. They also probably reviewed different sea devils, everything is shown from the satellite at once, even with signatures. Another plus is the belief in some kind of indestructible and invisible drones, which "yesterday" should have been hanging over the entire territory of Ukraine, looking under the awning of trucks and finding out what is being transported in the cars. Well, the enemy, in addition, should be stupid, not disguise, not use air defense and electronic warfare, I'm not talking about American intelligence.

And now read about the SRB, with the ability to fire at 100 km, the ability to hit moving targets, and even the ability to retarget.

That is, our enemies somehow implemented the functionality we required

[Osipov9391]

The Ukrainian media began to write that these missiles are now massively supplied to them from the United States and are used from Ukrainian aircraft.
Although no one really knows how.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Osipov9391

The Ukrainian media began to write that these missiles are now massively supplied to them from the United States and are used from Ukrainian aircraft.
Although no one really knows how.

If you have the exact coordinates of the radar, harm can be launched even from a stool.
It will take off and fly even from the ground, only the flight range will decrease by 30-50 km.

[January]

And this is a completely different question. I answered your bewilderment about "the impossibility of delivery by civil transport"

[Alexey Lantukh]

Tracking each truck individually, our space forces definitely cannot. The dimensions of the Himers practically do not differ from the long-range ones. Unfortunately, we are lagging behind the Americans in satellite intelligence.

[lelik613]

Why do they need truckers and vehicles in general? Let them carry all these marvels of high-tech on foot.

[Brain_]

These tanks cannot be hidden in the back of a truck, and a block with missiles will easily fit into trucks.

[EvilLion]

And how will you look for them at these distances?

[Leonidych]

Of course, we really want to stop the supply of weapons, but our leadership does not seem to be very good.

[hohohol]

Of course, we really want to stop the supply of weapons, but our leadership does not seem to be very good.

Yes, they also seem to express a desire

In the Mykolaiv region, Russian troops destroyed an arsenal with 45 tons of ammunition supplied to the Ukrainian army by NATO countries, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
https://ria.ru/20220807/ukraina-1807843122.html

[Flooding]

"The arsenal in the Voznesensk region of the Mykolaiv region was also destroyed, where 45 tons of ammunition recently supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by NATO countries were stored"

Quoted by Konashenkov Eadaily.com

[hohohol]

A certain Sanya in Florida also stated about 45 thousand tons, but Konashenkov knows better, he is, as it were, the primary source.

[Pasus]

Wow source :(
A few years ago, I watched this "Sanya in Florida" YouTube channel, I remember very well how on one of the streams he said that in the event of a war between the Russian Federation and the United States, he (Sanya) would go to fight in the ranks of the American army, because he had American children. And before that, he sang about how good it is in Florida and he will never go back to the "dirty rush".
Therefore, I do not understand the hype around this disgusting traitor changing shoes.

[Herman 4223]

And he is already fighting. He creates an audience for himself, from patriots (only not very smart ones), in order to pour the necessary information into them later.

[Alex Justice]

I like patriot Sanya in Florida.

[EvilLion]

And let's not lie, Sanya in Florida refers to Konashenkov. At the same time, he did not seem to understand that such a warehouse would not explode with one Hiroshima, but would burn for hours, or even days, scattering shells around the district.

Well, it was 45 thousand tons, or not, these are the estimates of Russian intelligence. They may also be incorrect.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Flood

"The arsenal in the Voznesensk region of the Mykolaiv region was also destroyed, where 45 tons of ammunition recently supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by NATO countries were stored"

These figures are already real unlike..

[AdAstra]

Then the question is how did we manage to slip that they dragged 45 thousand tons of NATO ammunition there?

[YarSer88]

45 thousand tons is, perhaps, too much, we are talking clearly about 45 tons.
So much ammunition is unlikely to be found in all of Ukraine

[Single]

45 thousand tons... 45 kilotons? Strong though...

[dmi.pris1]

If "our leadership does not seem to be very good", then they would not start this operation, or a war, as you wish. There is a real problem and opportunities. You cannot jump higher

[Herman 4223]

Do you think it would be easier later?

[Osipov9391]

And how will you stop the supply of aviation equipment and weapons to it? If the first one can independently fly in and be used from the unlimited territory of Ukraine, and the second one can be abandoned even by helicopters.

[bouncyhunter]

Mikhalych

Quote: ian

But they have a desire...

There is not only a desire, but also an opportunity. Who's to say that the US is on the sidelines?

[January]

And who should say? They seem to officially support...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: ian

And who should say?

HERE ! Everyone prefers to remain silent. This is not good...

[January]

Express your disapproval of the "civilized world community."
You never know, they suddenly become ashamed ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: ian

suddenly feel ashamed

Unreal . Rather, the sky will fall to the ground.

[NIKN]

Hello Pasha! Something I have some kind of suspicion that Western aviation has been here ... Somehow it fits me weakly

At the same time, this missile can also be used from improvised ground installations, this opinion was expressed by the bmpd blog. Israel has experience in creating such installations; in the 70s, they used AGM-78 Standard ARM anti-radar missiles from a ground platform.

Israel used it cunningly, first carried out reconnaissance, then installed such an installation in the right place (so that it could reach in range and the direction was already known, so that the capture of the GOS would be carried out clearly), then provoked the full operation of the radar complex and then launched this device. What is bad is that if the radar turns off, and the missile has already captured, then it goes from memory and the probable deviation there is something about 5 meters in total. In general, it’s easier to fly into a tihar and let it go from an airplane, but not to approach at a serious risk, so apparently the range was not enough (they launched from the limit), so it fell before reaching it. Well, that's my opinion, who knows.

[bouncyhunter]

Kolya, welcome!
You know, it's hard to put a finger to the nose. Even if your thoughts are close to the truth, figs to us who will confirm this.

[NIKN]

So I wrote that this is a personal opinion that does not claim to be true, but some kind of suspicion scratches, it’s easier to direct the plane (D start for this device is 150 km.) At the extremely small one, I went to the launch point, jumped, let it go and left. Much easier than a whole operation with a ground launcher to crank. Well, okay, it’s bad that everything is already going on there on the verge of a foul.

[4ekist]

NIKNN: it’s easier to direct the plane (D launch for this device is 150 km.) At the extremely low level, I went to the launch point, jumped, let it go and left.

The Americans could do this under the cover of launching MLRS missiles.

[iouris]

There is no need to confirm, but to hide. Since HARM worked (and perhaps there were more than one), that is, combat losses, and significant ones. Surprise is the most important factor here. In addition, the sudden use by the enemy of anti-radar missiles, which had not been delivered before due to ("voluntarily imposed restrictions"), clearly indicates the preparation of a breakthrough in this direction.
On the other hand, the growing supplies of "Hymars" and HARM may indicate that the ukrovermacht is not capable of giving the "result" desired by the Biden administration without these supplies.
The situation is getting out of control.

[Dingo]

Guys. the fact is that the Yankees have used such missiles since the days of the Vietnam War. Only they were called, God forbid, "Shrike" and "Hounddog" ... Stations homing along the beam, even released "under the parameter", entered exactly into the locator mirror ... Then many of our operators died, even though the cabin was taken away from the station , like an altimeter or the same P-35 ... But at that time they needed a course correction, and with each survey, the station corrected the course, pointing it at itself ... their CC, because their raster of guidance stations was somewhere around 1,5 degrees - like fumbling along the wall with a needle ...
A triangulation system was used - when three stations worked alternately - on / off alternately for a short time (flickering beam), confusing the rocket with each other, while giving out the coordinates of the carrier ... (or carriers).
But it was still "under Tsar Peas", time and technology do not stand still ...

[Bshkaus]

Something I have some kind of suspicion that Western aviation has been here ... Somehow it fits me weakly

Greetings. Here, few people screwed up what really happened. The question is not "how" the missiles got into Ukraine and "why" the convoys were not destroyed on the way, but what carrier was it launched from?
And there are only 2 options here: Slovak MiGs upgraded to NATO standards, or ...
Most likely the first, although apparently over time there will be F16 with a trident on the tail.
Ground launch is a hemorrhagic business, here you are right

[Dingo]

All right! You need to look for the carrier who brought this "bird". After all, what is a ground launch? This is a climb of 40-45 seconds ... The range does not change, only the height. And then abruptly, with a decrease, an increase in speed - and falls on a course according to the previously entered parameters, with an envelope of the terrain ... I saw this on my screen - both a ground launch and a launch from a carrier. In Sary-Shagan, on "Dal-78" and "Soyuz-79" ... They were looking for a "cure" there for their "axes", which the "partners" decided to place in Western Europe. And found...

[Herman 4223]

Most likely it was the Poles who brought their planes.

[Paladin]

HERE ! Everyone prefers to remain silent. This is not good...

And what's wrong with keeping silent about the fact that the United States is on the sidelines? Are you suggesting that we do not give a damn about objective reality to loudly declare this?)))))))))

[bouncyhunter]

Namesake

Quote: Paladin

Are you suggesting that we do not give a damn about objective reality to loudly declare this?

And who determines this "objective reality"?

[Paladin]

Mutually!
Well, as it were, objective reality differs from the subjective one in that it exists regardless of definitions. Example:
Objective reality - ukroraket got into the barracks of the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka.
Subjective reality - the Russians blew up our lads.
But the objective reality cannot be changed by this statement.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Paladin

objective reality cannot be changed by this statement

As Kung Fu Tzu used to say: "Yesterday I was smart and tried to change the world. Today I am wise, therefore I am changing myself."

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The range of the AGM-88 HARM is up to 150 km, so it is quite possible that it was launched from a Polish F-16 from the depths of Ukraine's defenses.

The missile has a combined guidance system; it is enough to launch it into the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXboperation / possible appearance of an air defense system, and there it itself finds a target and aims at it.

[Osipov9391]

I think so too. NATO aircraft, supported by AWACS, fly regularly along the borders of Ukraine and over the Black Sea.
Perhaps in the radio silence mode we went to where there are no radar fields from our side.
And we cannot control it - there is nothing.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And we cannot control it - there is nothing.

We seem to have AWACS aircraft and even use them, in theory they should see targets from a height even if they fly above the ground + space in our military plan should at least give something in terms of information.

[Osipov9391]

What AWACS aircraft do we have?
Those who remember Soviet Tashkent? There they are 40 years old, the equipment is hopelessly outdated.
And there are only 5-7 of them left for the whole of Russia - they cherish the resource as the apple of their eye. In order to view the whole of Ukraine, they must be kept in the air around the clock at least 3 sides - one over Voronezh, the second over the Black Sea and the third in Belarus.
Around the clock.

Zero in space. Cases of anti-ship missiles attacking our ships are a clear confirmation of this.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What AWACS aircraft do we have?
Those who remember Soviet Tashkent? There they are 40 years old, the equipment is hopelessly outdated.

Russia has 6 A-50U - these are modernized aircraft, they have been supplied to the VSK of Russia since 2011.

They are quite enough to carry out constant duty and look into the depths of the territory of Ukraine.

The A-50 could detect a fighter 300 km away, and the A-50U should at least work no worse.

[Osipov9391]

300 km is already about nothing, and if there is no passive electronic intelligence mode like AWACS, then even more so.
No one will keep them in the air for days. They are cherished very much because the equipment is old and has a small remaining resource, including engines.
Yes, and with the crews, as with their preparation, significant spans.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

300 km is in the old version of the A-50, and even this is enough to warn our air defense systems and fighters about enemy attacks.

A-50U are aircraft that have been delivered to the troops after modernization since 2011, and the modernization and repair affected both the airframe and the engines and equipment of these aircraft, in fact these are new aircraft in the old hull.

If you do not use the A-50U during hostilities, then why do you think they are protected then?

With the training of crews for such equipment, I think everything is fine.

[Osipov9391]

With the training of crews for such equipment (exactly as for strategic / VTA), we have a complete zero. They teach them somehow there on the spot at home.
There are no such schools at all.
And there is not a single AWACS operator in the country with experience in managing large aviation forces in a combat situation.
They just have nowhere to go.
300 km for such equipment is nothing. In fact, he needs to fly already along the border with Ukraine in order to look at such a distance where anti-aircraft missiles can already fly at him.

This technique is cherished for the Far East and the search for cruise missiles in precisely such directions.
Even in Syria, it was used to a limited extent.

Yes, Ka-31 helicopters could come up. There is a modern complex. But they are few.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I don’t think that the command is just waiting for a strike on the Far East with cruise missiles that it saves all the A-50s for this, moreover, they have a place of permanent deployment near Ivanovo, and not somewhere in the Far East.

I met information that the A-50U is used in the NWO and is actively used, and this is logical, because now such equipment is needed exactly there and people there will receive invaluable experience that will be cultivated and will form the basis for the creation of new aircraft and UAVs to perform similar tasks in the future.

With the training of crews for such equipment (exactly as for strategic / VTA), we have a complete zero. They teach them somehow there on the spot at home.

Where did you get this from? If we already have entire enterprises capable of creating and modernizing AWACS aircraft, then I think it’s not a problem to train an operator. We have a lot of different radars and people are being trained on them, and even more so, operators for the AWACS aircraft will be trained.

A-50U sees a low-flying target such as an airplane at a distance of 300 km, and high-altitude targets up to 600 km, it does not need to approach the border and be exposed to air defense systems, at a distance of 150 km from the border, this aircraft will be able to warn of an attack by enemy aircraft in advance , and using the Ka-31 will just be ineffective, because its fighter detection range is only 100 km and the flight time is 2-3 hours in total.

[Thrifty]

Here it is elementary, you need to calculate the country that is armed with aircraft capable of using these missiles. I am sure that Polish f16s will be used against us! You need to shoot down EVERYTHING that is not our air means and apparatus! !!

[Osipov9391]

And how will you shoot them down if we don’t even control the sky of most of Ukraine behind the front line?
Our aviation does not fly into the depths - Ukrainian air defense systems will be shot down there.
The capabilities of the S-300V and S-400 are also very limited, and they already suffered losses near Kherson from howitzers and Himars hit by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Thrifty]

Osipov, for such a hunt for aircraft, the MiG31 is massively needed, in its high flight altitude, and three flight sound speeds! And, he must be armed with missiles with a range of at least 350 kilometers! Then, we will really control the airspace!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Osipov, for such a hunt for aircraft, the MiG31 is massively needed, in its high flight altitude, and three flight sound speeds! And, he must be armed with missiles with a range of at least 350 kilometers! Then, we will really control the airspace!

Such a missile can shoot down a tanker or an AWACS aircraft, a jet fighter will receive information about the attack in advance and get away from the missile.

And the MiG-31 can get away at speed from a missile fired in pursuit, and if it enters the airspace of Ukraine, then a bunch of missiles will fly at it from all sides.

[Thrifty]

With its ceiling of 30 kilometers, how many missiles can the MiG31 reach in height with guarantee? ??

[solar]

And what will he look for at an altitude of 30 km?
The MiG-31 is not intended for operations over the territory with enemy air defense. Not his job.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Thrifty

With its ceiling of 30 kilometers, how many missiles can the MiG31 reach in height with guarantee? ??

Do not confuse record cars and combat vehicles.
And he cannot give Mach 3 with pendants.

[dmi.pris1]

By the way. Khokhlosturmovik was shot down in the Kirovograd region. This is the central part of Ukraine. It was clearly not shot down from a slingshot

[Bshkaus]

Osipov, for such a hunt for aircraft, the MiG31 is massively needed, in its high flight altitude

This was still not enough. We have stratospheric flights for a long time only on holidays. Climbing 25 km is almost the event of the year. What the hell is "massively", we have a shortage of helmets and no one produces them, only plans are to give a couple of thousand for overhaul to the former manufacturer.
But there is no general staff, and there are no massive stratospheric flights at an altitude of 25 km. With KM only up to 18, everything above, without the right to depressurize, i.e. not applicable in a real combat situation due to the inability to protect the crew

[Osipov9391]

To shoot down an air target at a distance of even 150-180 km, it must not only "freeze" in the air, but somehow begin to drift back to the interceptor and the missile flying towards it.
And this is a conversation when the target is a strategic bomber or transport aircraft.
The fighter will simply turn on the afterburner and leave the rocket.

When was the last MiG-31B produced, the youngest? Around 1992-93.
They are 30 years old, engines have not been made for a long time.
Many cars generally have significant speed and ceiling limitations due to the strength of the canopy and other age-related fatigue.

PS

Such complexes as "Buk" and S-300 that Ukraine has remove from the sky any aircraft that enters the affected area.
Even the F-35, even the F-22, even the Su-57.

[4ekist]

AGM-88 HARM, which allegedly could be used by Ukrainian aircraft against Russian air defense systems.

I think that in the sky of Ukraine there are already planes based on neighboring airs. NATO countries.

[tralflot1832]

If you really found such a gift, there will be confirmation from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation! Then it will be interesting.

[Egoza]

Quote: tralflot1832

If you really found such a gift, there will be confirmation from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation! Then it will be interesting.

even confirm, so what? US claims to present? And they told us: "We have sold. Business is business" And that's it.

[tralflot1832]

This will all end for us. And we will not know in the near future what is going on along the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[Fedor Sokolov]

Yes, the Americans are fighting against us to the fullest, and it becomes more difficult every day to deny their direct participation in the war on the side of the 404th.

[Bshkaus]

Yes, the Americans are fighting against us to the fullest, and it becomes more difficult every day to deny their direct participation in the war on the side of the 404th.

We have been dealing with roofing felts since the 14th year, as they say: not caught, not a thief.
So they will say that the Ukrainians themselves made a rocket from photographs of their military magazine

[GNM]

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: GNM

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

They are constantly being upgraded.
AGM-88A/B/C/D etc

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

There are on the S-400, the rest of the complexes are all vulnerable.

Systems of KB "Radar" are designed to protect the radar from anti-radar missiles. When missile launches are detected by the radar, the radar itself is turned off, and a false transmitter located near the radar with the same radiation characteristics as the main radar is turned on, which leads to the capture of the seeker of the “false target” anti-radar missile. The complex also imitates in the infrared range the operating equipment of air defense systems, therefore, it allows you to effectively knock missiles off course with infrared seekers

[Osipov9391]

But NASAMS is different. There, as part of the calculation, there can be at least 10 launchers, at least 3-4 radars and a couple of command vehicles.
And in standby mode, only one radar works.
And an enemy attack with the help of anti-radar missiles on the complex will not disable it and will not kill the calculation, since everything is spaced at a distance.
Instead of one destroyed radar, you can immediately turn on a couple of others and continue working.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Osipov9391

But NASAMS is different. There, as part of the calculation, there can be at least 10 launchers, at least 3-4 radars and a couple of command vehicles.
And in standby mode, only one radar works.
And an enemy attack with the help of anti-radar missiles on the complex will not disable it and will not kill the calculation, since everything is spaced at a distance.
Instead of one destroyed radar, you can immediately turn on a couple of others and continue working.

A radar costs more than a rocket, and you can just launch rocket after rocket

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Osipov9391

But NASAMS is different. There, as part of the calculation, there can be at least 10 launchers, at least 3-4 radars and a couple of command vehicles.

So NASAMS is a medium-range air defense system. On the Buk, we also have, on average, one radar for two launchers (more precisely, one radar for a pair of SDA - ROM).

[solar]

So NASAMS is a medium-range air defense system.

NASAMS is a distributed system, it does not have any key radar. In fact, it is necessary to hit all or most of the radar in order to suppress the complex, until this moment it can effectively fire, since the radar operation areas of the complex overlap.
And at Buk, the JMA radar has limited capabilities, they use SOC to search for targets and target designation, and disabling the SOC will significantly limit the operation of the complex.

[Alexey RA]

And what, besides its SOC, does the Buk have no other sources of data on the air situation? Or is the spherical division again considered in a vacuum?
I somehow got used to the fact that the ZRV work in system Air defense, in which the radar of the OVTs and RTV as a whole generously share their information with all brigades, regiments and divisions.
By the way, what is the height range of the AN/MPQ-64F1? And then this modification of the counter-battery radar is positioned everywhere as an NLC detection radar.

[solar]

This is against the PRR of the previous generation.
Harm is induced differently.

Less vulnerable to traditional types of interference, such as turning off the radar when a missile launch is detected, the HARM missile calculates the location of the target and is able to hit it even if the radar was turned off. The latest modifications are designed to destroy the radar with a change in operating frequencies .... AGM-88E variant; the program received the abbreviation AARGM - Advanced Anti Radiation Guided Missle ("Advanced anti-radar and guided missile"). Its difference was the combined homing head (GOS), capable of operating both in the usual way and as a millimeter-wave radar seeker (the latter mode made it possible to detect radar antennas, even if the radars themselves were turned off).

And how to determine what

When missile launches are detected by radar

the launch was precisely on the radar, and that the rocket was exactly the PRR?

[Alexey RA]

Quote from solar

the launch was precisely on the radar, and that the rocket was exactly the PRR?

It's very simple: the target is divided, the signal of the second target is weak, the azimuth and elevation do not change, the range is reduced. Those who have - pray for the "Newsman", those who do not - radar for the equivalent and pray.

[maksbazhin]

Will the OSA air defense system be rolled as a false target?

[private person]

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

So this is not a scrap, but the same technique against it.

[poquello]

Quote: GNM

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

reception depends on the presence of another crowbar in a particular place, they are knocked down by the same shell, for example

[private person]

knocked down by the same shell, for example

Well, there is 50x50 who wins, the calculation of the air defense system should have iron nerves. If anything, these missiles are used to destroy air defense systems.

[poquello]

Quote: private person

knocked down by the same shell, for example

Well, there is 50x50 who wins, the calculation of the air defense system should have iron nerves. If anything, these missiles are used to destroy air defense systems.

shells are shot down by hail, and there the speed is higher

[4ekist]

poquello ...... those are knocked off by the same shell, for example

Here are the Ammers on the "Shells" and these missiles are used. The truth will still come out.

[2 Level Advisor]

the likelihood of this is minimal, why should the amers themselves fly if there are Poles?

[Konnick]

Let's get some tires...

[Pavel57]

So the missile hit the radar?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Pavel57

So the missile hit the radar?

But who will say? They thrashed from a ground installation, and the coordinates - where to launch, where our radars are - were received from satellites and air reconnaissance (UAVs included) ... This does not bode well. The missile has a passive seeker, it is necessary to use electronic warfare systems with "phantom targets" ... And shoot down on approach, and it is high-speed ... The United States is constantly raising the stakes. Like in poker. It remains to be understood - do they have a royal flush in their hands or are the striped ears bluffing?

[Osipov9391]

I have never heard any information about the use of such missiles from ground launchers. Unlike "Harpoon" known to everyone, for example.
Because the anti-radar missile is interfaced with the equipment of the radar warning system and the weapon control system in the aircraft.
Nothing without them. It is the pilot who discovers the enemy radar irradiation zone, after which the information is loaded into the rocket.
And the launch is made.

And then what is the point of launching them from the ground at air defense positions for several tens of kilometers when the Armed Forces of Ukraine have artillery and MLRS that shoot further and easier?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Osipov9391

Nothing without them. It is the pilot who discovers the enemy radar irradiation zone, after which the information is loaded into the rocket.
And the launch

Alas, they can. Israel used such systems. With aircraft. The coordinates of the search area for ground launcher locators "give out" ... The launch range is large. The rocket flies to the specified area and searches for the radiation source. Having captured its signal, it attacks ... The seeker is clearly with AI elements, turning off the source does not help, it follows the calculated coordinates. Turning on another source, in order to bring down the guidance - may not work either. The program will not let you chase "two birds with one stone"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Osipov9391

I have never heard any information about the use of such missiles from ground launchers.

1982 - Syrian-Israeli war. True, there were not "Kharms", but their predecessors - "Shrikes" and "Standards", modified for ground-based launchers.
PU "Shrike" with an upper stage - "Kahlilit":

PU "Standard" - "Keres":

Quote: Osipov9391

Because the anti-radar missile is interfaced with the equipment of the radar warning system and the weapon control system in the aircraft.
Nothing without them.

If you have the money and the will, anything is possible. The same Israel received the "Standard" PRR with adaptation to conventional "Phantoms".

In 1975, the United States offered to deliver the AGM-78 Standard ARM to Israel. "Standard" was able to remember the direction to the radar in case it was turned off, had a 97-kg warhead and a firing range of up to 90 km. However, its use required Wild Weasel aircraft, for example, the EF-4D or F-4G (the latter was created on the basis of the F-4E and has been in mass production since 1978). Israel was not going to acquire such specialized and very expensive aircraft, but wanted to get missiles. The decision was as follows: on the one hand, the last batch of F-4Es purchased by Israel at that time (as part of the Peace Echo V deal) was equipped with an electronic intelligence system manufactured by Loral (Loral Electronics Corporation), on the other hand, AGM-78 missiles passed special adaptation at the manufacturer (General Dynamics) according to the specifications of the Israeli Air Force.

During that period (from 1973 to 1976), the AGM-78D was in mass production. Its guidance system has been upgraded in such a way as to make the seeker more self-sufficient in frequency settings before launch, i.e. do what the systems of the carrier aircraft did on the Wild Weasel. There is no data on whether the missiles deteriorated with this performance characteristics (reduction of warheads, reduction in firing range). It is only known that the missiles were much more expensive than the usual AGM-78D, its price was several hundred thousand dollars. However, in general, such a solution was much cheaper than maintaining a specialized Wild Weasel squadron.

© bmpd

[Osipov9391]

So it was a completely different generation of anti-radar missiles.
Much more primitive.
These modern ones, in addition to specialized electrical signals, also receive equipment cooling through the AKU air duct.
And it must necessarily receive data from the radar exposure warning system on board the aircraft.

[poquello]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

She's high speed.

strongly? 630m/s?
maximum shell target speed up to 1000m/s

[Nikolaevich I]

The cycle of weapons in "nature"! We have already written about the use of Brimstone aviation (helicopter) anti-tank missiles from ground installations by the Air Force ... Ukro-media (and not only them ...) are cracking about the use of Iranian shock drones "Shahed-129" in the Special Operation by Russian troops ... The steps of history are inscrutable!

[Alexey Lantukh]

Apparently, Ukraine has aircraft from the Warsaw Pact countries that have been upgraded to NATO standards. From them they could launch a missile against the radar.

[Osipov9391]

There has never been a single evidence or fact about the use of such missiles from former Soviet aircraft.
It is not surprising. There, on the MiG-29, for example, almost all avionics should be replaced for this. No other way.
So two options:
Or the fighters of one of the NATO countries lost the missile:
Either Western-made aviation equipment with ammunition of this type was transferred to Ukraine.
There are no others and cannot be in relation to this type of weapon.

[AML]

Quote: GNM

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

OLS or track from another radar. An ordinary rocket has a low ESR, but this one, when it flies, on the contrary, illuminates everything. Specifically, the shell would have coped with this.

[solar]

An ordinary rocket has a low ESR, but this one, when it flies, on the contrary, illuminates everything.

And how does she "light up everything"?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: AML

Quote: GNM

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radar Missile) is a high-speed anti-radar missile adopted by the US Air Force and Navy in 1983

And still there is no reception against this scrap?

OLS or track from another radar. An ordinary rocket has a low ESR, but this one, when it flies, on the contrary, illuminates everything. Specifically, the shell would have coped with this.

What lights up during the flight of Kharma?

[Andrey Shpakov]

Very clear (intact characters) and right in the center of the displayed object. A classic for an inexperienced Photoshopper. I would show a snippet of text and make it readable with a little effort. For those who are interested, I can show specific mistakes when entering text into a drawing (photo)

[Osipov9391]

Yes. Of course questions and big questions.
Although what questions can there be after almost six months after the start of the company?
I hope our general staff and intelligence will not find out about this from the news feed on the Internet.
Although ... everything is possible.

Well, we are waiting for the F-15, F-16 and possibly the F-35 in the sky over Ukraine if they are already there. Because only NATO fighters equipped with the appropriate SLA and SPO equipment can use such missiles. Having appropriate pendants for this type of weapon.

Probably soon there will be an anti-ship missile "Harpoon" in the aviation version and a tactical missile launcher AGM-158 capable of reaching Moscow.
The further the more interesting.
Only now, no one will say how Russia will resist all this.

[Osipov9391]

After all, no one knows who really flies in the sky of Ukraine now, especially at low and medium altitudes.
When F-22s from Alaska arrived in Poland, and F-35s and Eurofighters of NATO countries arrived in Romania.
They have a huge awareness in the skies of Ukraine and over the Black Sea through interaction with AWACS aircraft.
We have none of this and the sky over Ukraine is controlled only within the front line and only at high altitudes.
Western military analysts and intelligence are well aware of our problems in the absence of AWACS aircraft capable of monitoring the sky of Ukraine around the clock.
And these will be actively used.

[poquello]

Quote: Osipov9391

They have a huge awareness in the skies of Ukraine and over the Black Sea through interaction with AWACS aircraft.

which cannot be shot down, and damn are you crying here for AWACS aircraft that can be shot down?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Tail fragment with markings

Well, to be honest, it’s not yet clear what this piece of rocket is from and it’s not yet a fact that it’s from the AGM-88 HARM

[Liao]

https://www.modelbouwleuven.com/agm-88-harm.html

[svp67]

could use Ukrainian aircraft on Russian air defense systems.

Everything is more wonderful and wonderful ...

[Kiril Letov]

But is it possible to use it from the board of the SU 27 or MIG 29 without the availability of the appropriate software for the onboard aviation complex and itself? Excuse me, for me dubious "news".

[certero]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The range of the AGM-88 HARM is up to 150 km, so it is quite possible that it was launched from a Polish F-16 from the depths of Ukraine's defenses.

The missile has a combined guidance system; it is enough to launch it into the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXboperation / possible appearance of an air defense system, and there it itself finds a target and aims at it.

Do you seriously think that Poland wants to get atomic bombs on its territory?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: certero

Do you seriously think that Poland wants to get atomic bombs on its territory?

do you seriously think that after a hundred-pound promise to strike at decision-making centers and did not strike, someone is really very afraid of us?

[Osipov9391]

They fly in the sky of Ukraine with NATO AWACS information support and know perfectly well how to fly, where to fly and what to fly with so that they are not noticed.
Therefore, no one knows what is happening now in a particular area of ​​​​Ukrainian airspace.
Just because reconnaissance, satellites, AWACS, strategic UAVs - something of which Russia has zeros.

[Sergey Kuzmin]

At the same time, this missile can also be used from improvised ground installations, this opinion was expressed by the bmpd blog. Israel has experience in creating such installations; in the 70s, they used AGM-78 Standard ARM anti-radar missiles from a ground platform.

There is also no official information that the United States or another country supplied AGM-88 HARM to Ukraine, but Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov has repeatedly stated that he expects supplies of such missiles from the West.

they dominated - they did not destroy the communications of the salo country with the NATO countries - so the next foreign "gifts" came with which the salopiteks kill our fighters

[Osipov9391]

Firstly, the destruction of communications has nothing to do with the supply of aviation and ammunition for it - they can fly from the territory of neighboring countries.
Secondly, all such "gadgets" in Ukraine are controlled by foreigners who have combat experience and know how to obtain target designation from their spacecraft and UAVs.

[Pavel_3]

Our archangels are not allowed to gouge the supply of Benderni chiefs who have their own selfish interest over the hill

[Radical]

Quote: hohohol

Of course, we really want to stop the supply of weapons, but our leadership does not seem to be very good.

Yes, they also seem to express a desire

In the Mykolaiv region, Russian troops destroyed an arsenal with 45 tons of ammunition supplied to the Ukrainian army by NATO countries, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
https://ria.ru/20220807/ukraina-1807843122.html

Can you imagine how such an amount of ammunition can detonate, and how long will the detonation last, just expansion, and other side effects? Is there any documented evidence of such fireworks?

[Architect]

Yes, doubts take 45 thousand tons, this is 1000 wagons of ammunition.
What size warehouse should it be? 3 Luzhniki?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Architect

3 Luzhniki?

cherkizon

[ALMO]

Konashenkov said 45 tons.

[Zaurbek]

I was more surprised by the warehouse of diesel fuel for 50 tons ... .. how do trains travel around Ukraine with tanks?

[Sergey3]

I have long suspected that the Americans are secretly shooting directly from their planes, and I would not be surprised if stealth stealths regularly fly over Ukraine. And here it is the proof of my suspicions. And the author of the article carries complete nonsense.

[Osipov9391]

I am not surprised at anything and will not be surprised if it is found out that the Moskva GKR and the Vasily Bekh tugboat were attacked not from Ukraine, but from Romanian airspace by aviation "Harpoons" launched by NATO aircraft.
And so 90% that the alliance's aviation has been flying in the sky of Ukraine for a long time, perfectly operating with reconnaissance about where our air defense "finishes" it, and where it doesn't.
That's where they fly.

[Sergey3]

I think the same thing, but they didn’t sink it with harpoons. Too small rocket for such a big carcass. Something more powerful and modern was used and it was not the United States that sank, but the British, without coordinating with the United States. Because the reaction of the United States was strange - they were taken by surprise. I do not exclude that it was the mining of the hull by combat swimmers. Then how could they get close to the anti-submarine ship? Negligence?

[solar]

There are doubts that Harm can be so easily applied from a ground installation. Harm is an aviation rocket, and without a fairly serious (well, at least not a file in the garage) alteration of the rocket itself (adding a booster-accelerator at least), it simply does not start, since some initial speed is needed to start, like for other aircraft rockets .

in the 70s they used AGM-78 Standard ARM anti-radar missiles from a ground platform

This example can hardly be applied to this case.
Initially, the AGM-78 Standard ARM was made on the basis of not an aircraft-based missile, but a ship-based anti-aircraft missile, for which initial speed is not required, in fact, they only made a new GOS and finalized it for air-based deployment.

One of the areas of work was the modification of the anti-aircraft guided missiles of the shipborne tactical missile defense systems RIM-66 Standard, which have shown their effectiveness.

[Osipov9391]

I know about it. The carrier aircraft raises such rockets to a height and gives it some accelerating speed.
And the greater the ceiling of the aircraft and this speed, the further the rocket will fly.

Since the Su-39 attack aircraft had a pressurized cabin, designer Babak introduced Kh-31 missiles into its armament, which ordinary Rooks cannot carry.
The ceiling of the aircraft increased to 12000 meters, and by raising the X-31 rockets to a good height, he could launch them no worse than the Su-34.

Therefore, such expensive ammunition as the PRR does not let the stump through the deck.
But only from a suitable carrier having suitable flight qualities.

[solar]

I meant that the possibility of launching from the ground for the AGM-78 Standard ARM, perhaps, in principle, could be, since the rocket was made on the basis of an anti-aircraft missile - this is its individual feature.
But Harm was originally made precisely as an aircraft rocket.

[SovAr238A]

Quote from solar

There are doubts that Harm can be so easily applied from a ground installation. Harm is an aviation rocket, and without a fairly serious (well, at least not a file in the garage) alteration of the rocket itself (adding a booster-accelerator at least), it simply does not start, since some initial speed is needed to start, like for other aircraft rockets .

in the 70s they used AGM-78 Standard ARM anti-radar missiles from a ground platform

This example can hardly be applied to this case.
Initially, the AGM-78 Standard ARM was made on the basis of not an aircraft-based missile, but a ship-based anti-aircraft missile, for which initial speed is not required, in fact, they only made a new GOS and finalized it for air-based deployment.

One of the areas of work was the modification of the anti-aircraft guided missiles of the shipborne tactical missile defense systems RIM-66 Standard, which have shown their effectiveness.

She has a dual motor.
She just has the ability to boost and therefore she may well take off from a ground launcher.
About guidance.
The perfect inertial guidance system and the long firing range of the HARM AGM-88 rocket make it possible to use it on a previously reconnoitered target without being captured by the homing head before the rocket is launched. In this case, the target is captured by the head when a certain range is reached to it. If the target is not detected, then the missile self-destructs.

[solar]

it is already known that the launch was aviation.
As for the possibility of launching from the ground, the dual-mode engine does not provide this possibility by itself, it is for something else. For a rocket, there is a range of speeds at which launch is possible.
RIM-66 Standard, on the basis of which the AGM-78 Standard ARM was made, there was the possibility of starting from zero speed. Harma, no, it wasn't.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Osipov9391

I have never heard any information about the use of such missiles from ground launchers. Unlike "Harpoon" known to everyone, for example.
Because the anti-radar missile is interfaced with the equipment of the radar warning system and the weapon control system in the aircraft.
Nothing without them. It is the pilot who discovers the enemy radar irradiation zone, after which the information is loaded into the rocket.
And the launch is made.

And then what is the point of launching them from the ground at air defense positions for several tens of kilometers when the Armed Forces of Ukraine have artillery and MLRS that shoot further and easier?

As far as I remember, we had anti-radar variants of "z-z" missiles.

[Zaurbek]

In dot-U and Iskander…..

[Zaurbek]

If there is an external command center, then you can use it from the ground along the coordinates and then capture ... but it’s easier to beat with a corr.
And from the plane according to the standard scheme is problematic. They will not be allowed to search for radars and fly too.

[Rus2012]

Quote: ian

if at some point there are planes

AGM-88 missiles equip the A-6 Intruder, F-4 Phantom II, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F / A-18 Hornet, F-111 Aardvark and Panavia Tornado aircraft and ... attention - NATO MiG-29!
And such fighters were delivered to the Ukrainians ...
So it's not surprising.

[solar]

and what is "NATO MiG-29!"?

[Osipov9391]

Those MiG-29s that were carried by the Slovaks and Poles that have undergone modernization for NATO armament.
Although I do not know any facts of the use or carrying of such a missile by these aircraft.
And I don’t know how the old L006 Bereza equipment is capable of giving target designation to these missiles.
If we were talking about the L-150 "Pastel", then theoretically target designation for foreign types of PRR from it is possible.
India demanded this for its Su-30MKIs.
But in the countries of Eastern Europe this is not and never was.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Osipov9391

Those MiG-29s that were carried by the Slovaks and Poles that have undergone modernization for NATO armament.
Although I do not know any facts of the use or carrying of such a missile by these aircraft.
And I don’t know how the old L006 Bereza equipment is capable of giving target designation to these missiles.
If we were talking about the L-150 "Pastel", then theoretically target designation for foreign types of PRR from it is possible.
India demanded this for its Su-30MKIs.
But in the countries of Eastern Europe this is not and never was.

Harm does not need any target designation.
Radar coordinates only.
The perfect inertial guidance system and the long firing range of the HARM AGM-88 rocket make it possible to use it on a previously reconnoitered target without being captured by the homing head before the rocket is launched. In this case, the target is captured by the head when a certain range is reached to it. If the target is not detected, then the missile self-destructs.

[huntsman650]

On one of the forums, a little man wrote that back in the spring, the Ukrainians launched a point with the PRR at the same time, in the direction of the airfield (aircraft there of the Russian Federation). R. Belarus, shot down for 20 km, saw only s400 these targets.

[Sedoy]

Ukrainian Air Force may use American anti-radar missiles against Russian air defense systems

Come on... :)
there are those who doubt that dill may not use something or they will not be given ...
give everything its time...
and given the fact that ukroletaki are regularly based with the Romanians, these missiles are guaranteed to be given to them, the same Romanians ...

[Lighter]

Looking through the Ukrainian report for the last 3 days, I was surprised that they daily reported the destruction of 5 of our air defense systems per day.

[Crabong]

F-16 could well fly in ...

[EvilLion]

Now dill has another jump. They gathered to destroy air defense with these missiles. True, throw it with a slingshot. Well, jumps do not contribute to the assimilation of physics. And the victory with the Hymars has already somehow approached the evil, it is necessary to suck out a new one.

[AML]

Quote from solar

An ordinary rocket has a low ESR, but this one, when it flies, on the contrary, illuminates everything.

And how does she "light up everything"?

The joke is understandable. Look at the release year.

640 KB is actually enough for everyone

[Dedok]

Quote: NIKNN

apparently the range was not enough (they launched from the limit) here and fell without reaching

but nothing was said about it...
said: "The remains of one of these missiles were found in positions allied forces."

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Dedok

"The remains of one of these missiles were found at the positions of the allied forces"

The media outlet claims that the missile hit the target ...

[iouris]

Still, not "remains", but "remains".
It is necessary to foresee what other wunder-waffe will be used.

[nordscout]

The information is interesting ... There is no doubt that such weapons are going to Ukraine. It is not advertised for obvious reasons. But how it gets to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - questions without clear answers ... Although our headquarters probably know the logistics centers in Poland, Romania, Slovakia, where convoys with weapons and equipment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are formed. Maybe it makes sense to "zero" these centers with the help of RDG? Or "zero" the border railway, auto crossings?

[certero]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

do you seriously think that after a hundred-pound promise to strike at decision-making centers and did not strike, someone is really very afraid of us?

I seriously think that we are still afraid. Otherwise they would have been bombed long ago

[kig]

On August 8, Joseph Trevithick, author of The WarZone magazine and many others, wrote:

Colin Kahl, US Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, confirmed today that American authorities have transferred unspecified "anti-radiation missiles" to the Ukrainian armed forces that they can launch from at least some of their existing aircraft. Though Kahl did not say what type of missiles had been passed to the Ukrainians, his remarks follow the emergence of pictures on social media showing the apparent remains of an AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) said to have been fired at a Russian position

So here it is.