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Mauser experimental pistols

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Mauser experimental pistols

Talking without thinking is like shooting without aiming.

Miguel de Cervantes

First, a small digression. Before the age of the Internet, we had to rely solely on books, magazines, and other printed matter to obtain information, which, before “publishing”, underwent mandatory editorial processing and was evaluated by relevant experts. Today, thanks to the "World Wide Web", the path from the source of information to its consumer is rapidly shrinking, books, scientific journals, media, archives and documents are becoming easily accessible. But, as always - every medal has a downside - most of the information circulating on the Internet does not pass any examination and is of very dubious quality.

As an example of the above, we can cite an article on the Military Review website "Mauser" of the 1910 model, in which there are a lot of errors, both in the presentation of the sequence of creating structures and in the technical description thereof, as a result of which readers will learn about the "full-size army pistol Mauser" with a movable barrel, "delayed blowback, in which a pair of levers in the frame in front of the trigger guard engaged with the inclined surfaces of the shutter" and with "an unusual shock-absorbing spring at the rear of the frame. Some meticulous reader even complains in the comments that he could not find the scheme of this "mechanism", which is quite natural, since Mauser never created such a design.

And what did he create? Let's try to briefly answer this question.

On August 1, 1896, Paul Mauser demonstrated his C96 pistol to representatives of the rifle department. weapons Gewehr-Prüfungskommission in Spandau. Created in 1877, the “Commission for Testing Rifles” organized military tests of the submitted samples, formulated the conditions for these tests and temporary operating instructions, and evaluated the results. Then the reports were sent to the Ministry of War, which, on the basis of these conclusions, made a decision on whether or not to adopt a particular model.

In addition to representatives of the commission, the demonstration was attended by the War Minister of Württemberg, General Schott-von-Schottenstein, and officers from his ministry. The reviews about the pistol were the most positive, which seemed to inspire optimism about future prospects, however, Paul Mauser decided that it would not be out of place to demonstrate his C96 personally to the German Kaiser Wilhelm II, and sent a corresponding letter to his adjutant Helmut von Moltke on August 10, 1896, and already on August 19 he received an answer that the Kaiser enthusiastically accepted his proposal.

On the course of the presentation that took place on August 20, 1896 in Katarinenholz, as they would say today, we will not dwell in detail, it is described in many articles about C96. 6-, 10- and 20-round pistol samples were presented, as well as a 10-round carbine.


Ten-shot carbine, which was personally fired by Wilhelm II, the last German emperor

Kaiser was very impressed with the pistol, he especially liked the shooting from the model in the carbine version, after which Wilhelm II asked Paul Mauser how long it would take him to create a self-loading rifle. Mauser replied that he would need five years.

And from this very time until his death in 1914, Paul Mauser spent most of his time in the experimental workshop of the firm, known as the Versuchsabteilung (approximate translation - development department or experimental department), abbreviated as V-Abt. V-Abt was led by Fidel Federle, and his brothers Josef and Friedrich also worked there.

Seventeen variants of self-loading rifle mechanisms were developed and patented, but in the end all were unsuccessful and did not go beyond prototypes or small-scale samples. Paul Mauser even lost his left eye in an accident while testing rifles. The pistols created during this period by Gebrüder Mauser bear a clear imprint of this “rifle epic”. Most of the models did not leave the factory, but working on them allowed the company's engineers to gain the necessary experience.


The prototype of the pistol, made presumably in 1898-1900.
The principle of operation is not exactly known, perhaps this is a "by-product" of the creation of a Mauser self-loading rifle with a long barrel stroke. As you know, some prototypes of pistols were created on the basis of the designs of self-loading rifles being developed.


Experimental pistol C02. Automation with a long stroke of the barrel and locking by turning the combat larvae of the shutter. The clip with cartridges in the picture shows all types of ammunition that were used in experienced pistols. The bottom two are experimental 9x19 cartridges from DWM. The first, second, fifth and sixth are experienced 9x21 DWM cartridges. The second and third are also 9x21 DWM, but with a different type of bullet

As is known today, in weapons with a long stroke, the barrel linked to the bolt travels together the full recoil path inside the receiver, while the length of this path is necessarily greater than the full length of the cartridge, and the operations of unlocking and opening, closing and locking the bore are separated in time . Hence, firstly, the low rate of fire, and secondly, the increase in the dimensions of the receiver, and this is excess weight. The area of ​​contact between the lugs of the larva and the supporting surfaces of the receiver should be sufficient to securely lock the bore. This is again the dimensions and weight. The symmetrical arrangement of the lugs requires a very high precision in the manufacture of the parts of the locking unit so that they can work simultaneously, perceiving the pressure of the gases. Among other things, this design contains a large number of parts and is very sensitive to contamination and lubrication.

The next sample was developed in 1906. It was a pistol, designated in the company's documentation as C06.


Experienced pistol Mauser C06. First option

For this pistol, an automation system with barrel recoil during its short stroke was chosen. But on the method of locking it is worth stopping a little.

It is designated in the patent as "mit gleitendem Lauf und in dem Vecrschlubriegel schwingbar gelagerteim Vecrschlubriegel". From the name, which sounds like “a movable barrel with a bolt hinged in the barrel casing,” it is problematic to draw any conclusions about the structure of this very bolt, but the preserved drawings and photographs come to the rescue.


So the locking unit looks like in the drawing


And so in metal. In fact, this is a lever lock, although it is implemented in a rather original way. The shutter is locked by a massive larva rotating on an axis fixed in the receiver, and the rotation is carried out in a vertical plane parallel to the axis of the bore

Several variants of the C06 pistol, which were not fundamentally different, were created, shown in the illustrations below.


On the next model, 1906, called "Trial Pistol C 06/08", Paul Mauser for some reason returned to the location of the store, like the C96, in front of the trigger guard; the shop was removable.

All known examples were produced in the rare experimental caliber 9 mm Mauser (9x21 mm), with the exception of serial number 3, which was chambered in 9 mm Mauser Export (9x25 mm). A removable magazine was inserted from below, known samples had a capacity for six, seven, eight or seventeen rounds.


Mauser pistol C06/08, serial number 18

The serial numbers of the surviving copies and photographs indicate that at least 200 pistols were made, that is, quite a lot compared to previous single samples, it is obvious that Mauser intended to submit this model to the German government for official testing. This is also indicated by the fact that the Spandau Arsenal produced in 1907 a special batch of 9x21 mm Mauser cartridges.

Why the Mauser reverted to a forward magazine remains a mystery, especially given the fact that this arrangement was one of the reasons the Kaiserlichmarine preferred the P08 Luger over the C96 Mauser after testing ended in 1903.

The Trial Pistol C 06/08 pistol automation drive is the recoil energy of the barrel during a short stroke, as in previous samples, but the locking mechanism is a semi-free shutter, based on the design of the shutter of a self-loading rifle MODEL 06-08, MAUSER SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE .

As you know, the semi-free is the shutter of small arms, which encounters resistance when moving backward due to the connection with the receiver. The design of semi-free gates can be the most diverse with the use of cam, lever, lever-cam mechanisms.

In the C06/08 pistol, the lever mechanism, that is, the locking at the moment of firing the shutter, is carried out by two symmetrically located lugs, made in the form of levers, hinged in the receiver.


In the picture: at the top - the bolt before the shot, the lugs (parts marked "51") are brought together, the bolt is locked; below - the frame of the pistol with the receiver removed. Symmetrical curly grooves are clearly visible

At the time of the shot, the barrel with the receiver moves back under the influence of recoil, the leading cams located on the lower plane of the lugs interact with the side surfaces of the curly grooves of the pistol frame, which achieves the breeding of the lugs, the bolt is unlocked and then moves freely.


The shutter is in the rearmost position after the shot, the lugs are divorced. The shop feeder is clearly visible

Mauser himself believed that the developed design was very simple and reliable, but tests showed a result that was clearly the opposite of what was expected, the pistol turned out to be extremely unsuccessful. It was not possible to achieve stable, without delay, work in the “pistol version” from the mechanism designed for the rifle. Among other things, the gun turned out to be overweight, more than a kilogram of weight, poorly balanced.

It is clear that this pistol had no chance of being put into service, but today it is highly appreciated by collectors. Prices for some copies reach 60 USD.

Having received another “damn lumpy”, Mauser takes an inexplicable step - he creates a “hybrid” of their two pistols - C06 and C06 / 08. From the first they took a handle with a magazine and a trigger mechanism. From the second - a barrel with a receiver and a bolt.


Pistol «C06 – C06/08» Hybrid

Why did Mauser decide that two unsuccessful designs would make one successful one, история is silent. The only copy was made, which did not even receive a serial number.

It would seem that such a long series of failures could turn Mauser away from the "pistol theme", especially since the company's rifles by that time were widely used not only in Germany, but were also exported to the states of Europe, the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Latin America , USA and Canada, and the company's hunting weapons in the world market enjoyed a very high reputation. That is, the company did not experience a shortage of orders.

But Paul Mauser was not only a talented designer, but also a talented entrepreneur, therefore, as they say, he “felt the future”. In addition to the rapidly expanding market for police and civilian pistols, in Europe, the creation of the Entente finally ended the delimitation of the great powers and clearly smelled of a big war. It was impossible to miss this opportunity, and work on the creation of pistols at Gebrüder Mauser und Cie is being further developed.

Paul Mauser and Fidel Federle put forward the idea of ​​​​creating a universal design, on the basis of which it would be possible to produce pistols for various purposes with minimal changes - from pocket pistols, caliber 6,35 mm for the civilian market, to models chambered for 9 mm, for the army. It was at this time that the young talented engineer Josef Nickl was involved in the work of V-Abt, who began working for the company in 1904, who played a significant role in creating the “pistol” family.

A model chambered for 9×19mm Parabellum with a fixed barrel and automatics was chosen as the base model, the operation of which was based on the principle of recoil of a free shutter. Mauser quite logically concluded that it was necessary to move from a more powerful cartridge to a less powerful one. Judging by the patent drawings, the work began in 1907.


The first prototype of the Mauser Model 1909 pistol with a long barrel chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum. A square hole on the housing-shutter - the place of attachment of the spring buffer

And from the very first prototypes, it became clear that the powerful 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge and the free breech for a pistol were far from being the optimal combination. Strong recoil required an increase in the mass of the casing-bolt and the rigidity of the return spring, but then the weight and size characteristics of the weapon clearly went beyond the acceptable limits. As an alternative measure, a spring buffer was placed in front of the shutter casing, which was supposed to take on some of the recoil energy.


Spring buffer pistol Mauser Model 1909. Structurally, it is a Belleville spring, consisting of several interconnected disks ("plates"). Belleville springs are used to dampen shocks where it is necessary to create high forces in limited dimensions.


The second prototype of the Mauser Model 1909 pistol with a short barrel chambered for 9 × 19 mm Parabellum

But the buffer did not help to solve the problem. Then Mauser takes the next step - he develops a new cartridge, the dimensions of which remain the same as those of 9 × 19 mm Parabellum, but the weight of gunpowder is significantly reduced. In this way, the return was reduced to an acceptable level, but the meaning of creating the structure was clearly lost. A small number of Mauser Model 1909 pistols were nevertheless made. Several copies are in private collections. The cost is from 50 000 USD.

Thus, Mauser was convinced that the development of a blowback pistol chambered for 9 × 19 mm Parabellum had no prospects, and work was stopped. But time and money were not spent in vain, since the Mauser Model 1909 pistol, as expected, served as the basis for the very successful Mauser Model 1910, Mauser 1910/14, Mauser 1914, Mauser 1910/34, Mauser 1914/34 under less powerful cartridges 6,35 Browning and 7,65 Browning. The above models were produced in total for more than thirty years - from 1910 to 1941.

What about Paul Mauser? Oh, he is again, for the umpteenth time, attempting to create a pistol chambered for 9 × 19 mm Parabellum! Moreover, the task becomes more complicated, since it also provides for the creation of a variant chambered for .45 ACP!

The new design, created on the basis of the experimental Mauser Model 1909 and the serial Mauser Model 1910, had a fixed barrel and automation, the operation of which was based on the principle of semi-free recoil. Recall that the task of a semi-free shutter is, without a significant increase in the mass of the moving system, to slow down the unlocking of the barrel due to the connection with the receiver or frame to such an extent that by the end of the gas aftereffect period the sleeve does not move out of the chamber by a significant amount and at the same time the moving system acquires enough inertia to do the work of reloading the weapon.

Mauser created an original knot for this purpose - Stutzklappe. Translation of German technical documentation is sometimes a non-trivial task, even with the use of special thematic dictionaries. In this case, the closest translation is "spring-loaded retarding block". In the future, this term will be used together with the original name.


The first prototype of a pistol chambered for 9×19 mm Parabellum. The Stutzklappe mounted on the transverse axis and the lever to unlock it in front of the trigger guard are clearly visible. The presence of a square hole in the front of the shutter housing indicates that the design, like the Mauser Model 1909, uses a spring buffer

The retarding block is essentially a lever (larva) swinging in a vertical plane, located in front of the trigger guard, the supporting surfaces of which were included in the corresponding curly grooves of the casing-gate. After the shot, the shutter, in order to start moving, must overcome the resistance of the block by turning it counterclockwise around the transverse axis. The configuration of the bearing surfaces of the block and the shutter casing was calculated in such a way as to ensure that the shutter slows down for a time sufficient for the bullet to leave the barrel. In order to take the shutter to the rearmost position manually, without much effort, a special lever is provided to unlock it.


One of the first prototypes of pistols chambered for .45ACP. The bulky external structure was abandoned, the Stutzklappe was placed inside the frame, the release lever passes through a special lug groove on the front of the trigger guard. This design still has a spring buffer


Prototype pistol chambered for 9×19 mm Parabellum. The design in general and the locking mechanism in particular is similar to the pistol chambered for .45ACP, but there is no spring buffer


In the picture: at the top - a slowing down block, at the bottom - a bottom view of the shutter. As is clear from the image, in order to start moving, the bolt must overcome the spring force of the retarding block, “drowning” it into the groove of the pistol frame. The stiffness of the spring provided slowing down the shutter for a time sufficient for the bullet to leave the barrel. The red color shows the supporting surfaces that interacted with the shutter and the slowing block


In the picture: at the top - the frame of the pistol with the bolt cover removed. The groove for installing the retarding block is clearly visible; below - a frame of a pistol with a retarding block installed

At first glance, the design of the slowing block is simple and reliable, but in practice the node had a very limited resource, so its design was changed again.


Third variant of the Stutzklappe

The general principle of operation has not changed, but now the decelerating unit consisted of two parts that worked in series, which, according to the designers, should have more evenly distributed the loads on the structure and increased reliability. The shape of the supporting surfaces has also been changed. But this did not fundamentally resolve the issue.

Therefore, Mauser again, as in the case of the Mauser Model 1909 pistol, returns to the idea of ​​​​using a cartridge with a lower weight of gunpowder. Such cartridges were produced by DWM. Whether they were used and in what quantity - there is no information. The archive preserved the factory documentation, which shows the comparative characteristics of the Mauser Model 1912 pistol with other pistols produced at that time. It lists the 9×19 mm Parabellum cartridge as ammunition.


In the picture: on the left - cartridge 9 × 19 mm Parabellum, on the right - cartridge 9 × 19 mm Mauser

At this stage, the pistol receives the designation Mauser Model 1912, and its mass production begins.


Mauser Model 1912 pistol, serial number 13, with the "rocking" retardation block design described above. In the literature, pistols of this design are called the "first option". It is easy to identify by the characteristic protrusions on the side surfaces of the shutter casing and the frame above the front of the trigger guard.

However, the production of the “first version” ended, almost without starting, since less than a hundred copies were made. The design of the slow shutter assembly has been changed again. Instead of a lever swinging in a vertical plane, the deceleration was carried out by two lugs moving in a horizontal plane, similar to the design of the Trial Pistol C 06/08 pistol.


In the photo:
1 - housing-bolt of the Model 1912 pistol. A protrusion interacting with the lugs is visible from the front below;
2 - the position of the parts before the shot, the lugs are brought together;
3 - the position of the parts after the shot and the bullet leaving the barrel, the protrusion of the shutter-casing overcame the resistance of the spring, the lugs are divorced

As can be seen from the above snapshot, the principle of operation of the deceleration unit is as follows. After a shot, the bolt, in order to start moving, must overcome the resistance of the lugs, spreading them in a horizontal plane. The configuration of the support surfaces of the stops, the protrusion of the casing-bolt and the spring stiffness of the stops is designed in such a way as to ensure that the shutter slows down for a time sufficient for the bullet to leave the barrel. In order to take the shutter to the rearmost position manually, without much effort, a special lever is provided to unlock it.

This is where the changes in the design of the Mauser Model 1912 pistol end and its mass production resumes.


Pistol Mauser Model 1912. Caliber - 9 mm. The ammunition used is 9×19 mm Parabellum. Magazine capacity - 9 rounds. Weight with equipped magazine - 980 grams. The initial speed of the bullet is 340 m / s. Overall dimensions - 182x140x32 mm. The pistol has a fixed barrel and automatics, the operation of which is based on the principle of recoil of a semi-free shutter

The exact number of manufactured Mauser Model 1912 pistols has not yet been established. The literature usually indicates "a few hundred", and this is with the modification Model 1914/1912 that appeared in early 1914. This modification had guides on the handle and was completed with a holster-butt.


Some of the pistols had an adjustable sight with divisions from 50 to 500 meters. They were designated Model 1912/1914 Armeepistole.


Several prototypes chambered for .45ACP were also made. According to the device, they are identical to pistols chambered for 9 mm

Potential consumers of both the Model 1912 and Model 1912/1914 pistols were, let's say, extremely cool. In 1913, a small batch for testing was ordered by the Brazilian Navy. Some interest was shown by commercial structures in the same Brazil, Mexico, the USA, Russia and Germany itself, ordering trial lots.

But in 1914, two events happened that, in fact, put an end to the gun. On May 29, Peter Paul von Mauser died. And two months later, on July 28, the First World War began. The Mauser-Werke plant in Oberndorf switched to fulfilling army orders. The pistols in stock were sent to the front. The few surviving examples today are the subject of collectors' desires.


This Model 1912/1914 pistol was sold in 2016 for $97

Использованная литература:
Weaver W. Darrin, Jon Speed, Walter Schmid. Mauser Pistolen: Development and Production, 1877–1948. Collector Grade Publications.
Smith WHB Mauser Rifles and Pistols. The Stackpole Company. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
Kirillov V. M. Foundations for the device and design of small arms.
Blagonravov A. A. Grounds for the design of automatic weapons.
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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 13 August 2022 05: 49
    +16
    Good morning friends! smile

    Luxurious article, a lot of interesting and new information, great illustrations. good
    Congratulations to all fans of the "Armament" section on a new excellent Author.

    The author, of course, thanks from the bottom of my heart, for a long time there was no such material about pistols. hi
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 01
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Congratulations to all fans of the section

      Hello buddy! And good morning everyone!
      A new author? So it seems to be Sergei?
      And? Thanks for the article! Great! hi
      Only. Why "Evil City"?
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 27
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        about pistols

        Intrigued. And why is the trigger green?

        Well, not green, but different. bully
        And in general? Handsome.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 August 2022 06: 29
        +4
        The less you know the better you sleep.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 35
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The less you know the better you sleep.

          This is not an answer.
          Hello Anton!
          Why?
          Yes, glasses are fine!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 13 August 2022 06: 37
            +4
            Hello, Sergey!
            In whatsapp.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 39
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Whatsapp

              grinned! laughing
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 40
              +4
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              what's up

              So why is the trigger green?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 13 August 2022 06: 45
                +4
                This is the trigger.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 06: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  This is the trigger

                  Not the point. Why? laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 13 August 2022 06: 53
                    +2
                    Don't know. I know - I will answer.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 13 August 2022 07: 22
                +6
                Seryozha, this is not a trigger, but a trigger and it is not green, because there is such a thing - "blue bluing", but by the way ... maybe the owner just had a finger in green, but they didn’t have time to wash it. laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 August 2022 07: 30
                  +3
                  maybe the owner just had a finger in the green, but they didn’t have time to wash it
                  And the forehead too?
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 August 2022 07: 57
                    +3
                    And it’s already useless to wash the forehead, in this case they already draw a number on the heel, with the same green paint. bully
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 07: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  green, because there is such a thing - "blue bluing", and

                  I respect the opinion of the pros, but? Somehow it does not fit.
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 07: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  failed to wash

                  This one is more like it.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 August 2022 07: 59
                    +4
                    I have more but my soul is like this.

                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 18
                      +2
                      Already better, but also glamorous.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 38
                        +3
                        I don’t see glamor, only blue bluing and walnut on the cheeks, it’s a working machine.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 51
                        +2
                        quite a working machine.
                        Ugh, it's horse...
                        I just know that after a hundred shots, characteristic scuffs form on any weapon, and this bag was taken out of a ladies' purse five seconds ago.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 August 2022 09: 06
                        +2
                        From a lady's purse? Good lady! laughing

                        You, by chance, did not confuse with this?




                        It's also the Colt. smile

                        By the way, in our storage there was a pre-war R.38 with a blue bluing, an army pistol, the cheeks were scratched, the bluing was rubbed only at the corners of the shutter casing. At the guys in the Museum of the Armed Forces I saw the "Artillery Eight", the same bluing and also not at all shabby.
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 August 2022 09: 59
                        +2
                        It's you, uncle, you haven't lived in the metropolis for a long time.
                        Do you know with what trunk the current city dweller goes out into the street in the morning? There you can easily place a beer scoop. The concept of "clutch" is inappropriate here.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 August 2022 10: 37
                        +3
                        Well, "I drink to a woman who crosses the ocean" (c) laughing

                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 02
                    +3
                    Well it is necessary to disfigure the "eleventh" like that!
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 33
                      +5
                      You can't kill a classic!
        2. Mister X
          Mister X 13 August 2022 10: 26
          +7
          Translation of German technical documentation is sometimes a non-trivial task, even with the use of special thematic dictionaries.
          Author: Evil City

          As I understand you ...
          Somehow translated for an article an optical sight device made in the GDR

          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 13 August 2022 10: 33
            +4
            I failed my application to the history department, unable to translate the horse's name from German.
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 August 2022 09: 36
        +5
        A "competitor" of Shpakovsky appeared on the site! It is written in detail, interestingly, it is clear that the person approached the article, so to speak, with knowledge of the matter! THANKS! hi
    2. Mister X
      Mister X 13 August 2022 08: 17
      +6
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Good morning
      luxury article

      hi
      Good, Konstantin!
      The article is gorgeous.
      Lots of explanations and illustrations.

      The quote from Cervantes at the beginning of the article is in the top ten.
      Note to many authors.
      I even know some wink

      For the "shooter" subheading, an article like "long read" is generally a rarity in VO.
      And published on a good day.
      The author, who wished to remain anonymous, will receive his well-deserved portion of praise from grateful readers over the weekend.

      Thanks to the author!
      I studied the material with great interest and pleasure!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 36
        +5
        Hi Michael! hi

        I was pretty amazed too. A pleasant surprise. drinks
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 13 August 2022 09: 26
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          A pleasant surprise

          Maybe the author will continue to surprise us?
          For example, by offering an article about the Zig-Zag revolver (C78),
          or the C77 single-shot pistol.
          In 2015, they were written about in VO, but I would like to get acquainted with the vision of this author.


          C77 pistol with cover letter from Wilhelm Mauser.



          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 August 2022 09: 30
            +7
            I wasn't here on the 15th. And your idea is intriguing. smile
            1. Mister X
              Mister X 13 August 2022 11: 17
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              And your idea is attractive.

              I also became an idea generator and couch commentator wink
              Never going back to finish my drafts
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 13 August 2022 11: 48
                +5
                Never going back to finish my drafts


                I hope you still get along somehow. smile drinks
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 13 August 2022 11: 58
                  +6
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  I hope you get along somehow.

                  I hope too.
                  But every day such fun at work,
                  and health is not childish
              2. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 14 August 2022 05: 43
                +6
                Hello Michael! It's disappointing, even I read your articles with great interest. I hope that you will return to VO again as an author.
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 14 August 2022 12: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  Hello Michael!

                  hi
                  Hello, Olenka!
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  This is disappointing, even I read your articles with great

                  Thanks for the kind words!
                  I'll try to control myself)
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 August 2022 11: 17
      +4
      Good morning, Uncle Kostya.
      I agree with all your words.
      But why is the author under a pseudonym?
      Like, it was banned a year ago?
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 August 2022 11: 47
        +6
        Hi, Igor! smile
        Since February, everything has changed, you know, I won’t even guess where the author might be from.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Everything has changed since February.

          February! How many in this .... month? Or? bully We began to live in a new way? Notorious. 37--?
          Zenit-CSKA.Now.This is the main thing.Victory for the army team!This is the main thing!
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 13 August 2022 12: 22
        +6
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        pseudonym?
        Like, it was banned a year ago?

        "Special operation"! Silence, silence, silence! Shh! bully A special operation is underway! Does anyone know the author?
        The author is smart! On a par with .... you know with whom. There are few of them. Very few Very few Fingers of one hand? Yes.
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 13 August 2022 13: 24
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        ago?

        For an hour and a half, a helicopter hangs over the peaceful Biryulyovo. Why?
  2. Eug
    Eug 13 August 2022 06: 40
    +5
    Kudos to the author for sure. In my opinion, the Mauser returned to the "front" magazine layout due to the better balance of this design.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 13 August 2022 07: 39
      +8
      The Mauser reverted to the "front" magazine layout due to the better balance of this design.


      Are you seriously? belay Well, who has better ergonomics and balance here?





      this arrangement was one of the reasons why the Kaiserlichmarine preferred the P08 Luger pistol over the C96 Mauser after testing ended in 1903.


      The author, the Kaiserlichmarine, could not in any way "give preference to P08", since the competition was held in 1903, and there was no "Eight", as such, yet. smile



      Navy Luger pistol / Luger Naval P04.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 59
        +6
        "As for the remark of the Sea Cat. The first production model Modell 1900 Parabellum appeared in 1900, as can be seen from the designation. And the tests, as a result of which the Selbstlade-Pistole Modell 1904 was adopted, began in 1901 and ended in 1903. Formally, this is still not P08, of course, here he is right."©
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 13 August 2022 09: 11
        +3
        Someone took offense at me... Comrade does not like the truth. laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 13 August 2022 09: 39
          +4
          "Comrade" never fired.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 August 2022 10: 33
            +5
            Then he is not our friend. laughing

            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 13 August 2022 10: 39
              +5
              You've never held a Carolinga in your hands. Also "not a friend"?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 13 August 2022 10: 48
                +5
                Do you mean this one?

                I don’t remember, if they were in our storeroom, then I probably held on. I just didn't understand the ending.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 August 2022 10: 57
                  +4
                  Were. You just didn't hang out in those storerooms.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 August 2022 10: 59
                    +4
                    Well, you know, I'm a fan of firearms, although I highly respect quality blades.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 13 August 2022 11: 07
                      +4
                      I know. That's why he said. You don't know either, what if this person is the owner of the title "Sword of Russia"?
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 August 2022 11: 36
                        +6
                        holder of the title "Sword of Russia"?


                        Well, to health. smile

                      2. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga 14 August 2022 05: 45
                        +4
                        Good morning everyone! I see that noble dons have migrated from the "history" section to the "weapons" section. lol
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 August 2022 11: 54
                        +3
                        Good afternoon, Olya! love

                        After all, everything depends not on the section, but on the quality of the articles, and the professionalism of the author. And this article made me very happy and I would like to talk with its author, but something is not visible. smile
                      4. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga 16 August 2022 00: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And this article made me very happy and I would like to talk with its author, but something is not visible.

                        Konstantin, your St. Petersburg nephew can help identify the author. Of course I know who he is, but it's not my secret.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 16 August 2022 03: 43
                        +1
                        Good morning Olya! love
                        The nephew did not let us down, I already know and for me this is a pleasant surprise. smile

                        Big hello to Sergey! drinks
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat

          Catfish
          Today, 09: 11

          +3
          Someone offended me ... Does not like

          Is she true?
          But not me! Exactly! To "minus" a friend? Do not respect yourself! Although ??? Some females ....
          But not me! Exactly
  3. cooper
    cooper 13 August 2022 07: 16
    -3
    Fuck weapons.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 13 August 2022 07: 22
      +3
      Quote: Cooper
      Fuck weapons.

      Can you be specific? hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 August 2022 07: 46
        +4
        Yeah, you'll wait for specifics from him, how. laughing wassat
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 07: 53
          +5
          I like this very much.

          Off topic, but? hi
          Raised from the depths.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 01
            +4
            The whistle of the first mate from the Titanic? wink
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 05
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              the first mate from the Titanic?

              No. Allegedly??? It's Moody's whistle. Allegedly!!!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 32
                +5
                It's Moody's whistle.


                Who - who - who? laughing
                Please do not express yourself, ladies come to the branch.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Who - who - who?

                  The surname is like that. Did I invent something?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 41
                    +4
                    Yes, yes, yes. Cap Smith's sixth assistant.
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 43
                    +4
                    The cat Matroskin has such a surname, but don’t understand what it is.
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 46
                  +5
                  That's what Moody is.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 10
              +4
              Quote: Sea Cat
              The whistle of the first mate from the Titanic?

              Wilde? In general, it is not clear what he was doing during the disaster! Like Smith. Cap.
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 23
              +5
              I explain, buddy. The first one who took the weapon was Low. Then the Lightoiler. Why Low? bully
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 50
                +3
                Quote: Phil77
                reflex. Man, in a word!

                Eee! Irish! Not English. Eeee!
  4. Toucan
    Toucan 13 August 2022 07: 51
    +6
    As an example of the above, one can cite an article on the Military Review website "Mauser" of the 1910 model, in which there are a lot of errors, both in the presentation of the sequence of creating structures, and in the technical description ...

    I understand that this is a stone in the garden of Vyacheslav Olegovich?

    As for the publication itself, it is extremely good. good It is felt that the author very carefully selected and worked out the material.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 05
      +7
      I understand that this is a stone in the garden of Vyacheslav Olegovich?
      I would say - "Kamaz" gravel.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 August 2022 08: 41
        +6
        You are a cynic, nephew, although everyone knows it. laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 13 August 2022 08: 44
          +5
          On point, uncle!
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 08: 50
          +4
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Catfish
          Today, 08: 41
          NEW

          +2
          You are a cynic, nephew,

          Normal perception of current events! No more.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 13 August 2022 09: 12
            +4
            You are also a cynic, you are both two cynics, and I will be the third. drinks
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 13 August 2022 09: 22
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              You are also a cynic, you are both two cynics, and I will be the third.

              Eh! Do you remember???? To the question of cynics.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 13 August 2022 09: 28
                +3
                And this?


                Our everything!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 August 2022 09: 42
                  +1
                  Marina Grove?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 August 2022 10: 58
                    +2
                    Worse! Drift!!! More precisely, the former lanes. This is the first one. Now this is not there. Toko in the photo
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 05
                    +2
                    Now. Zenit-CSKA.!!!! Anticipation!!! bully
                  3. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 15
                    +2
                    [quote = 3x3zsave] Maryina grove? [/ quo
                    This, Anton, is our Moscow. Former. bully

                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 13 August 2022 19: 42
                      +2
                      Seryoga, what year is this?
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 13 August 2022 09: 28
                +4
                Eh! Do you remember???


                And then! wink

                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  And then!

                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  And then!

                  Do you remember the Lavrskys? There is a photo!
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 August 2022 11: 49
                    +3
                    So lay out what the conversation is about! Only I am now bainki, for more than a day without sleep. Until tonight or tomorrow. drinks
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Until tonight or tomorrow.

                      He posted two pictures of Lavrsky. "Wish me luck in battle. Wish me. Good luck." Choi.
                      Now.Today.In the battle with "Zenith"!?
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 August 2022 11: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Eh! Do you remember???


                  And then! wink


                  Do you remember the Voskhod factory? At the bottom of the Lavrsky? My mother worked there!
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 13 August 2022 09: 11
          +4
          A cynic? It's scary. "March of the Defenders of Moscow".
  5. acetophenone
    acetophenone 13 August 2022 10: 37
    +1
    In short, he made money on a rifle and spent on pistols. Unsuccessfully.