Hypersonic missile system DF-17 and its potential

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Complexes DF-17 at the parade in 2019. Photo by Nevskii-bastion.ru


Like other leading countries, China is actively engaged in the subject of military hypersonic aircraft. Moreover, a few years ago, he brought his first missile system with such combat equipment to adoption and put on duty. The DF-17 complexes are distinguished by high potential and special capabilities, thanks to which they are able to solve a wide range of tasks, incl. the most difficult.



Development process


According to known data, China began research in the field of hypersound back in the nineties, but the development of real aircraft started later. In the tenth years, a promising program reached the stage of full-fledged flight tests of prototypes with the receipt of design characteristics. At the same time, issues of creating a missile system suitable for use by the troops were worked out.

At the beginning of 2014, reports appeared in foreign sources about the first test flight of a Chinese hypersonic aircraft. Due to the lack of official data, he was given the symbol WU-14. Later, the DF-ZF index appeared, indicating a connection with the Dongfeng family of missiles.

Until the end of 2017, China conducted nine test launches of the WU-14. The flights were carried out on different routes and differed in profile and program. During such tests, flight at design speeds and modes, maneuvering on the route, etc. were practiced. According to foreign data, the flight speed exceeded 5 M, and the range reached 1400 km.


Front calculation. Rockets are open. A frame from a Chinese TV report

At the testing stage, information about the new Chinese project came only from foreign sources. Official Beijing did not comment on such newsnot to mention the disclosure of technical information. Nevertheless, as is now known, the work continued and successfully solved the tasks.

Rocket in service


On October 1, 2019, a military parade dedicated to the Founding Day of the PRC was held in Beijing. As part of this event, various samples of modern missile weapons were demonstrated, incl. several new units. One of them, designated DF-17 ("Dongfeng-17"), carried a missile with a characteristic appearance indicating its capabilities.

It was reported that the DF-17 belongs to the class of hypersonic missile systems, and this is the first Chinese development of its kind. By the time of the first show, the complex had passed all the necessary tests and was put into service. In addition, the industry began the production of serial products, which made it possible to equip, at a minimum, the parade crew.

Apparently, production did not stop there. New launchers and missiles for them could regularly arrive in the Strategic Missile Forces. According to foreign data, to date, up to two brigades have been equipped with DF-17 complexes - approx. 24 launchers.

At the end of 2020, the PLA demonstrated the launch of new missiles for the first time. In a short video for Chinese television, several missile systems were shown leaving the unit, as well as arriving at the position and deploying. Then three combat vehicles performed launches. Unfortunately, they showed only the take-off of rockets. The flight and defeat of the training target remained behind the scenes.


Rockets close up. A frame from a Chinese TV report

Subsequently, China showed other launches, single and group. The last materials of this kind appeared at the very end of July. In addition, it is reported that the DF-17 complexes were involved in large-scale PLA exercises on the east coast near the Taiwan Strait. The latest launches naturally attracted the attention of foreign audiences.

According to known data


The DF-17 is a mobile ground-based ballistic missile system. To obtain high performance, the latter is equipped with a hypersonic gliding warhead. According to various reports, such a warhead is intended to destroy stationary ground targets or moving surface targets.

The Dongfeng-17 complex is built on the basis of a five-axle special chassis with high mobility characteristics. Similar machines are used by other missile systems. The self-propelled launcher carries one missile. In the stowed position, the product is lowered into the body and closed with movable covers. Before launch, the rocket rises to a vertical position. The principle of launch - from a guide or from the launch pad - is unclear.

The complex includes a two-stage rocket. The first stage is a solid propellant upper stage with rudders. The second stage is combat and is made in the form of a gliding hypersonic aircraft. The total length of the rocket is estimated at 11-12 m, the launch weight is up to 15 tons.

The warhead from the DF-17 has a design characteristic of hypersonic gliders. It has a streamlined top surface and a flat bottom. There are also horizontal and vertical planes of small area, probably used for control.


The warhead has a familiar shape. A frame from a Chinese TV report

The exact tactical and technical parameters of such a unit are unknown. It must fly at high speed and carry out certain maneuvers. Navigation and guidance aids must be present on board. It is also assumed the presence of a warhead - conventional or nuclear.

The missile carries a gliding warhead, which determines the flight profile. The takeoff is carried out vertically, after which the rocket enters the specified trajectory and picks up the required speed. At the calculated point of the trajectory at high altitude, the warhead is reset, which begins independent flight due to the resulting acceleration.

Flight speed exceeds Mach 5; the main part of the trajectory passes at an altitude of approx. 50-60 km. In flight, the unit can maneuver in heading and altitude. According to various sources, the flight range reaches 2-2,5 thousand km. This allows us to classify the DF-17 as a medium-range missile system.

Technical potential


"Dongfeng-17" has a number of features and advantages characteristic of hypersonic missile systems. Due to this, he is able to solve various combat missions at the operational-tactical level with high efficiency. At the same time, in all the main parameters, the DF-17 bypasses the "traditional" missile systems.


Launcher during exercise, 2020. Screenshot from Chinese TV report

The DF-17 complex is made on a self-propelled chassis, which provides high cross-country ability and strategic mobility. With its help, the complex can perform patrols and quickly arrive at a position to perform a launch. It should be noted that mobile performance is generally typical for Chinese ballistic missiles of all classes.

The main combat qualities and advantages are provided by the combat stage in the form of a hypersonic aircraft. So, high speed reduces the flight time and accelerates the defeat of the target. The unit's ability to maneuver, in turn, makes it difficult to escort and defeat existing and future defense systems. The enemy has the ability to detect such a warhead in flight, but it is almost impossible to shoot it down.

The exact purpose of the DF-17 / DF-ZF has not yet been disclosed. According to some reports, this complex should provide a quick and reliable defeat of stationary enemy targets. In this case, the warhead requires a guidance system for known coordinates and appropriate flight controls.

However, there are suggestions about the use of a homing head capable of identifying a target and directing a block to it. In this case, the product, in theory, can be used on moving objects. In particular, the fundamental possibility of using the Dongfeng-17 as an anti-ship weapon was discussed. weapons. Such a block can be an effective means of dealing with large enemy ships such as aircraft carriers.


Training launch, July 2022. Still from Chinese TV report

Hypersonic speed makes a significant contribution to the power of the warhead. Only due to its kinetic energy, it is able to inflict the most serious damage on the target, comparable to the impact of a heavy high-explosive warhead. At the same time, the presence of such a warhead or even a nuclear block, which will significantly increase the impact on the target, is not ruled out.

There is reason to believe that the DF-ZF warhead will be used not only as part of the DF-17 complex. So, in mid-2020, photos and videos appeared with an H-6 bomber carrying a missile with a characteristic warhead. Recently, amateur operators again filmed a flight of an aircraft with a similar missile. All this speaks of the development of an air-launched missile system based on the land-based Dongfeng-17.

Rumors also circulated about the possible installation of a hypersonic unit on other launch vehicles. Complexes of this kind could have an increased firing range and similar advantages. However, it is obvious that for a cardinal increase in the range of a gliding flight, a serious reworking of the warhead is required.

Advanced Development


Thus, China launched its own hypersonic program and was one of the first in the world to get real results. At least since the fall of 2019, the DF-17 land mobile missile systems have been on combat duty, regularly carry out training launches and prepare for real combat work. The presence of two missile brigades with such weapons has already been reported, and new ones may appear in the future.

Due to the Dongfeng-17 project, the PLA missile forces received a number of new capabilities and increased their potential. However, it is clear that the development of hypersonic technologies will not stop there. The development of other similar systems, unified with DF-ZF or completely new, is already underway. And the Chinese industry has already confirmed its ability to bring such developments to adoption.
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  1. 0
    8 August 2022 05: 07
    The DF-17 complexes are distinguished by their high potential and special capabilities, thanks to which they are able to solve a wide range of tasks, incl. the most difficult.
    For all the good, against all the bad. The larger the stick, the farther it flies, usually. request
    1. +2
      8 August 2022 05: 19
      So there is a good incentive in the face of the United States ... none of the independent states wants to be unarmed before this bandit state. smile
  2. -15
    8 August 2022 05: 19
    Something tells me that this is another variation on the Pershing-2 theme developed in the 70s of the last century. Moreover, even outwardly there are not many changes.

    And enough about Hypersound ..... Well, really ... 14 times the author mentioned this word, but never on business.
    1. +5
      8 August 2022 05: 57
      Quote: ism_ek
      Moreover, even outwardly there are not many changes.

      (-) for poor eyesight. request See photo:
      Rockets close up. A frame from a Chinese TV report
      1. -7
        8 August 2022 06: 12
        They made a more modern design ... almost 60 years have passed, aerodynamics does not stand still. But the Pershing 2 could perfectly maneuver in the final leg of the flight.
        1. +6
          8 August 2022 06: 24
          End maneuvers and glide ballistics are not the same thing at all. For terminal maneuvers, the "Dagger" should be compared to the Pershing II warhead. Not with ballistic trajectory "Pancakes" at the edge of space.
          1. -4
            8 August 2022 06: 41
            For the terminal section, the homing mechanism is decisive. This hasn't been anything new since Pershing 2.
            1. +4
              8 August 2022 07: 02
              Pancakes allows a missile with a range of 600-800 km to reach a range of 1-800 km without additional fuel, simply by using the unique aerodynamics of the terminal.

              Can "terminal maneuvers" increase the range of a missile?

              This is not the same thing.

              The DF-15 uses the same booster as the DF-17, is capable of terminal maneuvers, but has a maximum range of only 800 km.
              1. -4
                8 August 2022 07: 36
                Quote: Liao
                The DF-15 uses the same booster as the DF-17, is capable of terminal maneuvers, but has a maximum range of only 800 km.

                It is difficult to communicate with a person who cannot count up to 5. One tractor has five axles, and the other has 4. It follows that one rocket is at least 25% heavier than the other ...
                Well, about the fact that one rocket is single-stage, and the other is two-stage ...
                1. +1
                  8 August 2022 08: 04
                  Okay, you won. This is a photo of a DF-15.

                  The DF-17 uses a rocket booster from an already operational DF-16B short-range ballistic missile. Thus, the design of the rocket itself did not require any major changes. The biggest change, however, is the use of a hypersonic glide path rather than a conventional reentry vehicle as found in conventional ballistic missiles and MIRVs.

                  And the DF-16 has a range of 800-1000 km, you still need to explain if terminal maneuvers can increase the range.

  3. +5
    8 August 2022 05: 21
    The DF-17 complexes are distinguished by high potential and special capabilities, thanks to which they are able to solve a wide range of tasks, incl. the most difficult.

    I understand that this is a gag of the author ...
  4. +9
    8 August 2022 05: 31
    Quote: ism_ek
    Moreover, even outwardly there are not many changes.


    Don't you see the difference between a cone and a waverider?
  5. Eug
    +1
    8 August 2022 07: 33
    As for me, for hypersound, the device has too large bearing surfaces, even taking into account the need for planning. At one time (minus 35) he simulated the entry into the atmosphere of cylindrical objects with L = 7 ... a change in roll resulted in lateral displacement) while limiting the lateral overload to 11g. Even with very "modest" control actions, the landing area was obtained (not quite a landing, the height of the container opening was 5 meters) in the form of an oval of 800x3000 km., And this without bearing surfaces ... "pancakes" turned out from 800 to 3.
    1. +6
      8 August 2022 08: 22
      So unpretentious, just with the help of an interesting conversation in which the right person begins to prove with formulas in his hands, military secrets are accidentally surrendered lol
      1. 0
        8 August 2022 09: 08
        Maybe it wasn't a secret. No clearance, no secret.
      2. +1
        9 August 2022 13: 32
        Modeling the behavior of a spherical horse in a vacuum is never a secret smile But if the comrade indicated the color, breed and gender - then yes, there may be questions smile
    2. +1
      9 August 2022 22: 36
      For me, the front four carries dummies. It's not worth analyzing.
  6. 0
    8 August 2022 08: 19
    I'm interested in the question: did the Chinese really master hypersound themselves, or with our help? And this help, if it was, of course, conscious on our part, or did we miss the secret of hypersound? feel
    It is somehow strange that hypersound cannot be mastered by the developed west, but China suddenly could, and almost immediately after us! what
    1. +4
      8 August 2022 08: 56
      Quote: Eroma
      It is somehow strange that hypersound cannot be mastered by the developed west, but China suddenly could, and almost immediately after us!

      Yes, there are Chinese! When the North Koreans step on their heels! belay
      what
      1. +1
        8 August 2022 13: 08
        If such a booze has gone, it seems to me that we are quietly selling the material from which a certain part of Asia constructs its models feel and comrades sculpt the rest themselves
        1. 0
          8 August 2022 20: 01
          Quote: Eroma
          If such a booze has gone, it seems to me that we are quietly selling the material from which a certain part of Asia constructs its models feel and comrades sculpt the rest themselves

          I also have this suspicion. But most likely there is a mutually beneficial exchange of "products of ore activity." Since we are interested in their microelectronics, most likely we are working in this direction ... Yes
    2. 0
      8 August 2022 15: 02
      Most likely, hypersound is the same as the fifth generation in China
      1. +2
        8 August 2022 20: 05
        It should be taken into account that whales have supercomputers and a GZ wind tunnel for blowing models ... It is possible that they have bungled something of their own national ... But without fundamental science, such heights of technology are not taken. I have only doubts about this.
        1. 0
          8 August 2022 20: 59
          Maybe. It is one thing to create an automotive industry in 10 years, and another thing is smart weapons
          1. -1
            9 August 2022 10: 43
            The automotive industry is simpler, but for many years the Russian Federation has not mastered it
            1. +1
              9 August 2022 12: 57
              Quote from Deep Diver
              The automotive industry is simpler, but for many years the Russian Federation has not mastered it

              This is not a matter of science, but of the organization of business processes (management) in this matter we are stalling feel and the Chinese, on the contrary, this is their topic crying
              1. -1
                10 August 2022 10: 09
                The firm of the wife of the head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergei Chemezov, has been developing an automatic transmission for AvtoVAZ for more than ten years. The state spent hundreds of millions of rubles on this. After the sanctions, it turned out that AvtoVAZ did not have a Russian box.

                Are these also business processes? laughing
                Renault at VAZ debugged business processes in its own way, i.e. world level. Renault's gone, where's the Vesta?
            2. 0
              9 August 2022 14: 22
              There was no such task
              1. -1
                10 August 2022 10: 09
                The firm of the wife of the head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergei Chemezov, has been developing an automatic transmission for AvtoVAZ for more than ten years. The state spent hundreds of millions of rubles on this. After the sanctions, it turned out that AvtoVAZ does not have a Russian box
                1. 0
                  10 August 2022 11: 59
                  This is bullshit. No one really set such goals.
                  1. -1
                    10 August 2022 15: 04
                    Strange, why didn't I expect a different answer from you? laughing
                    1. 0
                      10 August 2022 15: 25
                      When it will be a task of state importance, like a rocket, then they will do it. Would such a clarification work? ha ha
                      1. -1
                        11 August 2022 10: 38
                        Well, if the development of a domestic automatic transmission (in the USA they appeared on the market in the early 50s) is a task of national importance, then I have a lot of questions
                2. 0
                  10 August 2022 12: 04
                  In the world, on the fingers of one hand, you can count the countries that make engines for aircraft and the aircraft themselves. The machines are the same. And cars are made by many countries.
                  1. -1
                    10 August 2022 15: 07
                    All this, in fact, is the legacy of the USSR, the Russian Federation has not created anything new. And, in my opinion, it is very strange to be proud of past achievements in the absence of current ones.
                    1. 0
                      10 August 2022 15: 23
                      And what is revolutionary invented in the world in the 21st century? PC?
                      1. -1
                        11 August 2022 10: 39
                        The level of your knowledge is simply amazing. The PC is the 70s of the last century, and the 21st century is the smartphone that has replaced the PC for many
                      2. 0
                        12 August 2022 08: 01
                        PC as it is today. It is clear that even in the cinema of the early 80s they were already shown, and there was computer science in Soviet schools. In fact, speak, and do not be measured by cleverness
                      3. -1
                        12 August 2022 09: 49
                        I used a PC in its current form (IBM PS) in the late 80s, in the USSR. In the US, they began to use much earlier.
                      4. 0
                        12 August 2022 08: 02
                        Smartphone, in essence, the same PC. But thanks for the captain's remark made
                      5. -1
                        12 August 2022 09: 52
                        The plane is essentially the same train laughing
                        A smartphone, at least a symbiosis of a phone, PC and camera, half the size of a standard HDD
                    2. 0
                      10 August 2022 15: 24
                      Now everything is being thought out little by little. It's like in the gym - first rapid growth, and then a little bit.
                      1. -1
                        11 August 2022 10: 48
                        Compare processor performance now and in 1999, Hubble and Webb images, Euro-1 and Euro-6 standards. The list can be continued for a very long time, and for almost any industry
        2. +1
          9 August 2022 12: 55
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          without fundamental science, such heights of technology are not taken.

          A correct remark, especially against the background of the fact that China cannot finish the engine for the 5th generation without our parts, because in materials science they are just weak, they are not capable of dazzling heat-resistant and light material! lol And unexpectedly they were able to hypersound, although heat-resistant materials are a key topic in this tech! wassat
          1. 0
            9 August 2022 15: 52
            Tell me, do returning satellites require light, heat-resistant materials, and for the warheads of any intercontinental missiles - light, heat-resistant materials? Hasn't this happened in China before?

            Let me tell you about "basic research". Do you see the model of the "Trench Tool" warhead there? This is a wind tunnel with a speed of 30 times the speed of sound.

            While the Russians don't have such an advanced wind tunnel for studying pancakes, smart Russians can figure out cutting-edge science and technology with a pencil every time they drink vodka, which the Chinese then steal.

            Russia has become another victim, and there are many more victims ahead.
          2. 0
            10 August 2022 12: 00
            Yes, we will forgive our comrades, because they like to embellish. What to do
    3. 0
      9 August 2022 11: 28
      The other day, the head of the research institute was arrested for treason. There are persistent rumors that he leaked to the Chinese for hypersound.
      1. -4
        9 August 2022 16: 00
        The Russians leaked to China what Russia did not have.

        If Russia doesn't have it, then the Americans leaked it.
  7. +4
    8 August 2022 09: 08
    In general, maneuvering with hypersound is not the main problem that the developers of such weapons solve. The most difficult issue is the preservation of the physical properties of the maneuvering unit during such a flight. It flies almost in the flight mode of a boloid, which burns up in the layers of the atmosphere. Only progress in materials science, in the creation of new materials, in the study and development in practice of all the features of the unit's behavior during hypersonic flight, and the preservation of the properties of its material (shell) will make it possible to create such a weapon.
    1. +3
      8 August 2022 15: 07
      There are many problems with hypersound, but the main one is, indeed, heating. I heard that even the SR-71 was limited in speed precisely by heating, and not by the energy of the engines. But here the trajectory of "pancakes" (waverider) seems to help - when the aircraft takes off into space, and then slips through the atmosphere again. Well, materials science.
      The second problem is the plasma cloud in which the aircraft will fly. Blocks communication and orientation. They also say that there are some solutions with antennas "piercing" this cloud.

      But in general - a very complex technology. At the limit of today's possibilities.
      1. -1
        9 August 2022 11: 30
        Plasma decided. As I understand it, the plasma itself becomes an antenna.
  8. -1
    8 August 2022 15: 01
    Strange, Sivkov said that China does not have hypersound
    1. 0
      8 August 2022 19: 02
      Well, with the same success, the Yusovites say that the Russian Federation does not have hypersound, because. it's not a scrumjet.
      1. -1
        8 August 2022 19: 13
        I refer to experts. Well, judge for yourself. Where does he come from, since this is a completely different generation
      2. 0
        8 August 2022 21: 21
        They say right. The Russian Federation does not have hypersound. See my comment about the speed of sound
        1. +1
          9 August 2022 04: 48
          You guys like to define narrow range, hypersonic + cruise missiles yourself.
    2. +3
      8 August 2022 20: 12
      Quote: Novosibirsk
      Strange, Sivkov said that China does not have hypersound

      Sivkov apparently meant "atmospheric", "motor" GM. Amy is also trying to shove us a pig, that if the aircraft does not go to the PSA on its engine at a speed of more than 5M, then this is not a GZ, but just prank. Rationale: BB ICBMs also fall from heaven (from space) to earth at GZ speeds. Moreover, the latter can even maneuver in the thermal area before reaching the target area.
  9. -1
    8 August 2022 15: 02
    Quote: Eroma
    China suddenly succeeded, and almost immediately after us!


    The word "sound" (Mach number) in relation to the speed of an aircraft implies aerodynamic flight in the atmosphere and is used precisely because the laws of gas dynamics (aerodynamic flight) vary greatly, in proportion to the speed of sound in air (slightly above 1100 km / h). What is clearly seen in the shape of the aircraft themselves: straight wings for subsonic aircraft, triangular for supersonic aircraft, a flat bottom for hypersonic ones. Ballistic missiles can travel much faster, up to 16.000 km/h, which does not make them hypersonic. A warhead must at least glide in the atmosphere to be considered hypersonic. An even more advanced version is a hypersonic aircraft with a ramjet (others do not operate at such speeds) engine and the use of air for fuel combustion. They are working on these now, everything is classified, but prototypes fly with varying degrees of success.

    So, we have not yet "could" a hypersonic missile, we just drew it. The dagger is an aeroballistic missile. And those that China shows look like full-fledged hypersonic ones. Whether they actually fly or is it propaganda - I don't know.
    1. -1
      8 August 2022 15: 06
      Well, yes. We - painted, and China made a copy of the type. Oops, who did he copy from? the Americans have not done it yet, ours, in your opinion, too. So who drew?
      1. 0
        8 August 2022 18: 04
        China extremely effectively stole/bought the legacy of the USSR, starting with space. There are many "rocket" specialists working in China, both from Russia and Ukraine, who were attracted both by a long ruble and by the opportunity to see their developments "in metal". So, the Russian contribution to Chinese hypersound is more than possible.
        1. -1
          8 August 2022 20: 45
          If there is no hypersound in the USA and Russia, then it is even less so in China. Everything else is legends and myths.
          1. +1
            9 August 2022 10: 41
            I agree that it is suspicious that China is No. 1 in any area, and not the USSR or the USA, as it was before. Suspicious, but possible. I personally admit that China may have better hypersonic technology than the US. Not to mention Russia. You never know?..
            1. 0
              9 August 2022 15: 04
              The Chinese don't believe in devils, but I don't believe in the Chinese. If the Chinese had hypersound, the Americans would have known this for a long time. American moles in China work well. The situation with Pelosi is an example of this.
        2. -1
          9 August 2022 04: 53
          So these scientists stolen by China can at least be found in published works in Russia, or in Russia there is a prototype of this "in metal". Is there one please?
          1. 0
            9 August 2022 20: 12
            if the question is for me, then on the contrary, I argued that there is NO hypersound in Russia. A dagger is NOT hypersound.

            As for the Russian/Ukrainian scientists working in aerospace in China, for me, this is an indisputable fact. What was their contribution, how decisive - I do not know. In addition to them, there was definitely the traditional Chinese theft of all possible technologies + their own Chinese scientists, of course. Including those who studied in Russia/USSR. And in the USA.

            If you need to google specific names, I'm ready to search. In response to the assertion that there are NO such Russian and Ukrainian specialists in China.
            1. 0
              10 August 2022 05: 38
              If you must have a "Hypersonic Ramjet", then there is nothing in all of humanity that you want right now.
    2. 0
      8 August 2022 19: 05
      KMK, it's more of a "fashion design" like stealth tanks. Whether they can truly in an atmospheric surge and controlled target destruction is another question.
    3. -1
      8 August 2022 19: 15
      Yes, they cannot go across the father. Generations of development cannot be overcome. We in the automotive industry have not overcome
      1. -3
        9 August 2022 03: 39
        Quote: Novosibirsk
        We in the automotive industry have not overcome

        Even in the years of the late cultural revolution, the Chinese were able to create an industry of motor cultivators and mini tractors. This is what allowed the Chinese to carry out the decollectivization of agriculture without depopulating the countryside and without a drop in agricultural production. In the USSR, they could not make tractors for farmers. The purchase of tractors in Europe for the transition to profitable farming would require for Russia in 1992 prices about 1200 billion dollars. And how could the late USSR develop if an engineer received 130 rubles and a worker who worked according to his drawings and technological maps 270 rubles. According to management and workers, inventors are saboteurs breaking the well-established process.
        1. 0
          9 August 2022 03: 43
          The standard of living in the USSR was not measured by wages alone. It's strange to read this.
          1. 0
            9 August 2022 03: 48
            Quote: Novosibirsk
            The standard of living in the USSR was not measured by wages alone.

            In the late USSR, an enviable groom was a seller, a black marketeer, a racketeer. Working acceptable. A doctor or an engineer only out of great reckless love, when a lady after 35 years old understood that there were no successful men left for her..
            1. 0
              9 August 2022 03: 51
              Well, you probably know about all women ...
            2. +2
              9 August 2022 03: 51
              Under the Union at 35, rarely anyone was unmarried.
              1. 0
                9 August 2022 04: 26
                Quote: Novosibirsk
                Under the Union at 35, rarely anyone was unmarried.

                In Moscow it was much more common. In the Tver region they got married really early.
        2. -1
          9 August 2022 03: 46
          China in transition to socialism. How long it will last, no one knows. Surprised? Surprised.
          1. +1
            9 August 2022 08: 14
            And there is. Not surprised. Yes
            1. 0
              9 August 2022 15: 11
              Well, not everyone at least listens to something from political economy on the same YouTube.
          2. +1
            9 August 2022 15: 06
            Socialism in China will never come simply because it is not designed for such a large population. 200 - 300 lyams is the edge.
            1. 0
              9 August 2022 15: 12
              Not so in theory. And how it will be in practice - no one knows
              1. 0
                9 August 2022 15: 17
                The practice has already been. IN THE USSR. In the end, the Union broke down. China won't even try. Why provide everything necessary for a billion revs? This is not in the Asian tradition.
                1. +2
                  9 August 2022 18: 32
                  The union did not break. He was simply dismissed. And the property was decided to be divided by a handful of people at that time. A country that did not overstrain itself in the War could not overstrain itself. These are tales in the style of Svanidze.
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2022 19: 38
                    Overstrained, because he played too much in socialism. And it was necessary to create a satellite (hybrid) economy with clear state control and the prevention of money flowing offshore.
                    1. +1
                      10 August 2022 07: 54
                      It collapsed because capitalism returned. His private property interests were torn apart - with external help. Everything you call technical points, albeit important
                2. 0
                  9 August 2022 18: 45
                  Knowing the complex history of Russia in the 20th century, I would not judge the practice so famously.
                  1. +1
                    9 August 2022 19: 43
                    And it's not badass. This is objective. You didn't have to feed a thousand dependents who ended up wiping their feet on you.
                    1. 0
                      10 August 2022 07: 56
                      Well, it's weird to hear that. In fact, the RSFSR was the first to leave the USSR. And not some kind of Uzbekistan. It is difficult for a person who has not lived in any of the Union Republics to explain
                      1. 0
                        10 August 2022 14: 39
                        Lithuania came out first. And then Georgia and the rest of the Baltic limitrophes.
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2022 15: 29
                        The Baltic States is a separate conversation. She did not accept the decision to dissolve the Union.
                      3. 0
                        10 August 2022 16: 29
                        She took part in the absorption of resources.
                      4. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 04
                        Do not make me laugh. The tiny Baltic States ... Where Lithuania has 5 million, and others even less. Besides, then she produced. Then it was like that. You give such arguments ... It seems that you are sending back to history and at the same time there is a lot of populism
                      5. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 25
                        That is, you from Novosibirsk funny? Well, OK. I think that from Kaliningrad - not very much.
                        Did you produce something? Produced? Did you build factories yourself? At the same time, she consumed more than she gave. The only surplus republics of the Union are the RSFSR proper and Belarus. All others are minus.
                        So what is populism? That the Union fed the Baltic parasites, from which Europe now does not know where to go? I wonder if rich Europe considers its investments in the tiny Baltic republics insignificant?
                    2. 0
                      10 August 2022 08: 01
                      The Soviet Union did not start under a lucky star. The confrontation was already underway. It's amazing how he even lasted so long. Centuries will pass and people will be amazed at the scale of the development of territories and technologies, and human potential as such. Another 40 years and everyone would have received housing. 100 million gave birth and socialized in the 20th century. And to cultivate slogans about "overstrained" - - simply speaking, ahistorical. This is today's Russia is tearing itself up. Let's hope this doesn't happen
                      1. 0
                        10 August 2022 14: 41
                        Why not? If he really overstrained? And the betrayal of the party nomenklatura finally finished off the country.
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2022 15: 27
                        I'm not interested in your mantra.
                      3. 0
                        10 August 2022 16: 39
                        This is not my mantra, but circumstances. led to the death of the superpower.
                      4. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 00
                        Well, since the whole Nickelium said...
                      5. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 26
                        Well, since the whole 2-million Novosibirsk praised.
                    3. 0
                      10 August 2022 08: 11
                      Today, the territories of these dependents, as you put it, pose risks for Russia. We are talking about Central Asia and the Caucasus, of course. Truly they say: if you don't want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's. I think the analogy is clear
                      1. 0
                        10 August 2022 14: 43
                        And when there were no risks in these territories? There the king Sanya sold risk-free Alaska to the Second Amer. True, this betrayal later hiccupped him when Grinevitsky sent this misunderstanding to Shuisky.
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2022 15: 27
                        When there were no risks. Under the USSR, it was not.
                      3. 0
                        10 August 2022 16: 33
                        Well, how was it not? Have you forgotten about the Kazakh uprisings? Mutiny in Shymkent? Interethnic explosion in Grozny, after the return of the Nokhchi there. The explosion of the Moscow metro by Armenian nationalist Dashnaks? It wasn't widely reported, but it was!
                      4. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 02
                        Yes, yes, and the Basmachi were driven until the end of the 40s. Against the backdrop of today's potential and already real risks, this is ridiculous.
                      5. 0
                        10 August 2022 19: 26
                        Up to 36 years. At 40, there were no more Basmachi.
                      6. 0
                        10 August 2022 20: 20
                        Outcome one. Here, people like you, who spoke and were clever in the 90s that we would throw off all the republics and live, and sang along with the collapse. Well, what did they live? Also talk about resources.
                      7. 0
                        10 August 2022 21: 21
                        Did I say that in the 90s? Is there video or audio? Now yes, I say. And not because, as you put it, "let's live", but because all these republics, except for Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, turned out to be useless. Unfortunately, two of the three republics are struck by caveman nationalism.
                        For 90, ask Gromyko and other Kremlin seniles who brought Marked to power, thinking that they will parasitize on him for a long time.
    4. +1
      8 August 2022 20: 23
      Quote: Proctologist
      we have not yet "could" a hypersonic missile, we just drew it.

      Where does such confidence come from that they "couldn't"?
      It seems to be like the product 15Yu71 stands (on combat duty!), Like the combat equipment of the UR-100UTTH in 2 regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces ...
      And the product 3M22 - fairy tales of grandmother Arina, in your opinion !?
      Or do you think that the Supreme Commander is being misled, and he, not understanding what he is talking about, publicly, on July 31.07, 2022, promises the country to put them into service "in the coming months."
      This is a very serious accusation on your part. Explain, PLZ, maybe I misunderstood something, or you didn’t clearly formulate your thought-statement. belay
    5. -1
      8 August 2022 22: 37
      Quote: Proctologist
      So, we have not yet "could" a hypersonic missile, we just drew it. The dagger is an aeroballistic missile.

      My God ! How much unconstrained "verbal-mental" delusion! And how many similar "comrades" are there who are accustomed to "think" in PATTERNS! fool In such cases, it is said: Even though a stake on your head ... will not help! No.
    6. -1
      9 August 2022 04: 42
      Americans watched China's pancake testing experiment and knew best if it was a hoax

      "In the case of the DF-17, China has looked to build up a highly precise system. US analysis of the missile's first tests in November 2017 found an impressive degree of precision – with the test units apparently striking within meters of their targets. "

      "The 2020 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists report on Chinese nuclear forces estimates the maximum range of the DF-17 to be more than 1,800 km. The report also indicated assertions from the US Strategic Command that the DF-17 is capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear payloads."

      “We don't have any defense that could deny the employment of such a weapon against us,” General John Hyten, who is now vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in March last year.

      Of particular note, China countered the American claim that it could carry nuclear warheads. We specifically emphasized that this is a conventional moving target warhead, presumably to tell the Americans that if one day we decide to launch it, we hope that the US does not think that they were attacked with a nuclear weapon and do not make a strategic miscalculation.


      As far as North Korea is concerned, the South Koreans and the Japanese watched their pancake experiment and found that it was just getting started and far from successful.
    7. -1
      9 August 2022 11: 35
      As far as I know, the dagger is Iskander nee. Surprisingly.
  10. -5
    8 August 2022 21: 54
    I alone see that all the rockets are drawn! I have better detail in "tanks" than in these photos! I'm afraid China has mastered our cartoon rocketry technology.
    Regarding hypersound and some kind of control, not to mention the guidance itself. At such a speed in the atmosphere, there will be such a cocoon of plasma that nothing will penetrate it. It is necessary to throw the rocket higher, and there, in the airless space, correct it, aim it, or direct it yourself. And then stupidly dive.
    Or use a low-flying satellite as a guidance, missile control and correction system in the descent section. But neither Russia nor China has enough satellites, so we only see hypersonic guided missiles in the picture.
  11. kig
    -1
    9 August 2022 01: 46
    The flight and defeat of the training target remained behind the scenes.
    As far as I remember, ours did exactly the same with Zircon: launch, and the rest behind the scenes.
  12. -1
    9 August 2022 12: 29
    It may turn out that our great "grandmaster" and "multi-move player" and here hangs noodles on the ears of his "electorate", he is no stranger to it. What hypersound is in reality, and how effective it will be, will be shown only by a real battle with adversaries. If some one "Zircon" sends some "Gerald Ford" to the bottom - that will be cool!
    Only then will everyone tremble with fear for real.
    In the meantime, these are just Putin's "scarecrows" for the West.
    Hypersonic technology has been sold to the Chinese for a long time. Who sold it, when, and for what - I hope we will find out after ... in general, after "Swan Lake" on all channels ...
    1. 0
      9 August 2022 15: 10
      Well, selling is one thing. Doing it is completely different. Why has no one yet recreated the EKIP ekranolet, although the drawings were probably sold back in the 90s. Or where are the deep-sea "Komsomol" in China? They have a lot of titanium.
  13. 0
    9 August 2022 20: 55
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    against everything bad. The larger the stick, the farther it flies, usually.

    If only to Vladik, Khabara, cities of the Amur Region, etc. west along the Transib
    arrived. "Warrior of the Soviet army - be vigilant: 25 kilometers to the Chinese border."
    And they are something to me, a Soviet and post-Soviet engineer with the supply of spare parts ordered
    pull .
    1. 0
      10 August 2022 17: 49
      Well, Russian ex-Soviet engineers, to make it easier for you on Damansky, I will tell you about China

      During the Russian special military operation in China, voices were also heard. The Russians invaded our land and named the city (Vladivostok) "Conquest of the East", the city "Dalian" - this is the Russian word for "distant". Dalian- Russians have an incredible appetite for land
  14. Asp
    0
    9 August 2022 22: 27
    Quote: Proctologist
    There are many problems with hypersound, but the main one is, indeed, heating. I heard that even the SR-71 was limited in speed precisely by heating, and not by the energy of the engines. But here the trajectory of "pancakes" (waverider) seems to help - when the aircraft takes off into space, and then slips through the atmosphere again. Well, materials science.
    The second problem is the plasma cloud in which the aircraft will fly. Blocks communication and orientation. They also say that there are some solutions with antennas "piercing" this cloud.

    But in general - a very complex technology. At the limit of today's possibilities.

    communication in the plasma cloud has long been resolved. still in the USSR. read popular science lit..ru. the fact that the Chinese are rolling missiles with a controlled blockade, so we rolled layouts around the area in the 50s. they recently dragged ballistic missiles towards Taiwan. But there are mines on the coast. The Chinese are still smart-assed. worse than Ukrainians. I didn’t feel it, it didn’t happen. And talk about Chinese super weapons, nonsense
    1. -2
      10 August 2022 17: 14
      No one could solve the problem of plasma protection, the only solution was to slow down, lengthen the trajectory, snake along it like a road up a hill, and then let the air slow down the warhead.

      In 1996, China fired missiles towards Taiwan to contain it, and they found Chinese warheads spiraling through the air. So while the whole world suspected it was a hoax when China used ballistic missiles against aircraft carriers, the Taiwanese, including the Americans, believed it could be real.

      If you notice, you can see that the article says that the DF-17 has a Mach 5-10 speed because it maintains the appropriate speed to allow the homing system to work. Thus, this missile is capable of hitting maneuvering targets.
  15. 0
    10 August 2022 20: 40
    Quote: Liao
    During the Russian special military operation in China, voices were also heard. The Russians invaded our land and named the city (Vladivostok) "Conquest of the East", the city "Dalian" - this is the Russian word for "distant". Dalian- Russians have an incredible appetite for land

    Yes, let's remember the Russian pilots who covered the sky over China from 1937 to 1940.
    They lay down with their bones and blood in the Chinese land.
    The raid of the SB-2 group of Polynin on the still problematic Taiwan (Formosa).
    But during the incident on Damansky, the mother was crying, collecting alarming messages for her father.
    suitcase . I remember . I was 5 years old. Now we're potential again
    allies.
    1. -1
      11 August 2022 00: 14
      So it’s also better for you to remember that you are a “Negro” in Europe, and not strive to make sure you are white. Otherwise, you will be judged in the Moscow battle for not being black. “We, you know, they say: every Russian, if you rub it properly, a Tatar will appear there”
  16. 0
    11 August 2022 11: 05
    Quote: Liao
    “We, you know, they say: every Russian, if you rub it properly, a Tatar will appear there”

    catchphrase. Already flew to the Middle Kingdom. Authorship is also attributed to A.S. Pushkin
    (by the way, a descendant of an Ethiopian in Europe), and N. Karamzin, and the book "La Russie en 1839".
    Well, "scratch a Chinese, you will find a jurzhen" ..
    And about the blood of the soldiers of Genghis Khan, who visited both fanzas and huts ....
    Until now, the Mongolian cheekbones in the morning when shaving in the mirror is visible.
  17. 0
    11 August 2022 14: 25
    it looks like the Chinese took advantage of the information leaked to them by our scientists traitors from the Siberian branch of the Academy of Sciences of the Russian Federation, who were recently exposed.
  18. 0
    23 September 2022 21: 30
    I read the comments on your site and am simply amazed! All oligarchs all over the world are thieves and criminals in front of the peoples of the countries where they live, but I got the impression that most of the comments were written by Ukrainian Russophobes. You are waging a just war against NATO and the entire Western pro-American pack. This is a war for the survival of Russia in this World, and at the same time you do not trust the leadership of the country on almost all issues. Dear, don't you understand - is this a direct road to the defeat and liquidation of Russia? It looks like you can't see the forest behind the "leaves"! Your victory is necessary for Mankind, which Russia will lead after the monstrous natural cataclysm that will occur in the after 2050. I won't live to see it - the maximum term of human life on Earth is 120 years, but many of you will witness how the monstrous six-hundred-meter tsunami will swallow and wash away the USA, Canada, the British Isles, Japan, Western Europe ...