Recovery of Mariupol: politics or economic calculation?

Source: multivar.livejournal.com

Mariupol will never be the same

The city of 450 has suffered the most from the war crimes of the Kyiv regime. The tactics of the scorched earth of the Armed Forces of Ukraine proved to be in the most disgusting guise. One way or another, up to 90% of residential buildings in Mariupol were destroyed and damaged. The private sector was more fortunate - about 60% of households are very conditionally ready for the coming winter season due to destruction. There is still no exact data on how many people left the city in the east and west direction, but it is reliably known that it was civilians who became the main shield of Ukrainian nationalists. People were simply not allowed out of the city, they were crippled, forcibly kept near the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions.

Source: rueconomics.ru

According to Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin, living conditions for 212 residents will be provided by the end of the year. In Mariupol, an unprecedented construction is now in full swing. Everything that can be restored, the rest - for demolition and new construction. Vladimir Putin instructed to build a modern perinatal center in the city in the near future. By 2030, Mariupol should receive at least 450 thousand people, that is, the city will return to the times preceding the special operation.

In another five years, the population will exceed 500 thousand. A technopark will be built on the site of Azovstal, which, as you know, no one is going to restore. The "stuffing" of this project is not yet fully known, but the city seems to be forever saying goodbye to its industrial past. It was heavy industry enterprises that for decades polluted the air and waters not only of Mariupol, but of the entire southeastern region of Ukraine. The waste waters of Azovstal into the Sea of ​​Azov alone are worth something - it is only because of them that a full-fledged recreational infrastructure has not turned out in the city.

It is also not worth restoring the city's industry because of the gigantic costs. Even bringing Azovstal to its original state will be much more expensive than simply demolishing and building a technopark. If the plant is restarted, then it must be saturated with modern equipment, which is both expensive and not always available now. And finally, the third reason. The exalted West will build all kinds of obstacles for the sale of products of Azovstal or another plant, referring to the sanctions regime. The problem, of course, but not critical - part of the products can be sold in Southeast Asia and Africa. The main thing is not even this, but the unreality of the very fact of the existence of another metallurgical cluster within Russia (there is no doubt that Mariupol will soon become Russian).

The country has enough capacities for the production of high-quality steel, which are currently forced to either seriously reduce the price of products, or to stand idle altogether. At least until domestic consumers, for example, automobile plants, work at full capacity. These are the realities of the new Russia - for sovereignty it is necessary to increase internal processing.

Therefore, Mariupol really needs to be turned into something new, with a completely different profile.

Politics or economics?

It is necessary to restore Donbass in general and Mariupol in particular after the crimes of nationalists for several reasons. The first is simply because it is impossible without it. These are now liberated territories that have suffered damage for eight years, and people here are still suffering. Secondly, no matter how cynical it may sound, new territories should generate income, investments should “fight back”. Russia has valuable experience in the resuscitation of Crimea, which, of course, was not destroyed like the Donbass, but even by Ukrainian standards, it belonged to depressed regions. At the same time, it was possible to tighten the peninsula to the average Russian standard of living quite quickly and under serious sanctions pressure.

With Donbass, on the one hand, it is easier, and on the other hand, it is much more difficult. It is simpler, because it is always easier to build a new one on the site of the destroyed than to reconstruct the old. The Kyiv regime did its best to destroy the infrastructure of the region. The main difficulty lies in the scale of the restoration of the housing stock and the need to re-profile part of the production. The aim of all stories the most negative scenario of turning the region and Mariupol at its head into a “black financial hole” of Russia will be avoided. Part of the domestic public quite reasonably fears just such a situation.

What are the options? The first is the attraction of foreign investors interested in the development of the region. Of course, countries from the unfriendly list automatically go into the red. But China remains, which, although it observes formal sanctions, is gradually turning towards Russia. And Eastern Europe has always been in the focus of China's interests. Turkey should not be discounted - local merchants are rapidly increasing their trade turnover with Russia. Despite the restrictions of the West. It seems that Erdogan's policy of trying to sit on all the chairs at the same time is bearing fruit for all interested parties.

The second aspect is pulling up lagging sectors of the economy. For example, Donbass can actively trade in coal - everything is there for this. And the sea, and ports, and considerable natural reserves, and the highest quality - anthracite. And it can restore the industry of deep processing of solid hydrocarbons. After all, until 2013 Donetsk and Lugansk regions provided up to 16% of Ukraine's GDP. Further events broke the logistics chains, and it turned out that somewhere there was an excessive amount of raw materials, and somewhere a deep redistribution was idle. Even an elementary restoration of what has been destroyed in the region will become the basis for further growth and an increase in GDP, only Russian.

The potential of coal reserves makes it possible to increase its production by three or more times. Taking into account the growth dynamics of world prices for this resource, the prospects are very optimistic. This is precisely the key feature of the Donbass – give the region a normal and safe job, and it will provide for itself, and even send profit to the Center. The breadbaskets of the region - Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - are also under control, capable of providing several tens of millions of people with agricultural products. Therefore, even if local investments in Mariupol are considered irrecoverable, it should be understood that all costs will more than pay for the surrounding territories. Which, by the way, are becoming more and more extensive - the offensive to the west is moving forward.

Mariupol requires the introduction of high-tech production. The technopark, which is planned to be built on the site of Azovstal, should not only meet the needs of the region, but also attract skilled labor. As you know, any successful technocampus not only attracts new investments, but also creates a multiple number of jobs around. Infrastructure for "white collars" should be provided by someone. And the proximity of the warm sea is most welcome here. Of course, there is no need to wait for a new Skolkovo in Mariupol (and is it necessary?), but the next training ground for import substitution should appear. The collective West has already done everything possible for this.

Comments

[Comrade]

The city of 450 has suffered the most from the war crimes of the Kyiv regime.

It is worth adding that he acted with the full consent and blessing of the West.

[Borik]

The Russian people are not the first time in their history to raise a city from the ruins. However, you will have to work hard. And someone else to shake the purse for a good cause.

[Pane Kohanku]

The Russian people are not the first time in their history to raise a city from the ruins. However, you will have to work hard. And someone else to shake the purse for a good cause.

I will say sedition, many will throw minuses. We need not only the restoration of Mariupol, but also the restoration of socialism. Legitimacy, the fight against theft, offering the people some kind of justice. Building a new society. Only with the mind, not through the ass. Small business, just not worth shaking. But the "big industry" still needs to be reformatted.

[Zaurbek]

And it's time for the Russian people (as a state-forming one) to stop stepping on the same rake and break the same city several times and then rebuild it.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, this is not sedition. But a vital necessity in the current conditions

[Pane Kohanku]

Yes, this is not sedition. But a vital necessity in the current conditions

I think yes...

[max702]

Yeah, it was Soviet socialism that raised noneshnee Ukrainians.. Again on the same rake.

[Lyuba1965_01]

As I understand it, you are proposing to recreate the Stalinist type of economy: there are small private owners in the service sector and in small industries that are not very important for large industry, but are needed by the population, and the transition to the state of large enterprises, related production, albeit smaller , enterprises, education, science, medicine,...
The idea is good, but, unfortunately, it is not very feasible in our time.

[Vend]

The restoration of Mariupol is not a political or economic, but a vital necessity.

[north 2]

Investors will come to Mariupol. And how should Russia and the DPR meet them? In my opinion, they should be met by the fiscal authorities with guarantees that any corruption schemes, any theft and fraud with a cut of the allocated funds, will be nipped in the bud by the competent authorities. And if the construction of the cosmodrome manages to cut billions, then there will be no less appetite for the restoration of Mariupol. And if there are dozens of cities requiring restoration?
Huge prison terms are needed here immediately after the first attempt to steal, give or receive a bribe, so that all swindlers would be afraid further.
By the way, hundreds of such Mariupols lay in ruins after the Second World War. And nothing, they rebuilt it ... And for how many years were they imprisoned for theft during the restoration of post-war Stalingrad, Minsk, or any village destroyed by the war? That's it, the prison gruel was also for happiness, compared to the greater likelihood of a bullet in the back of the head for theft and bribes ... And the bullet should be a priority. because rob
victims of the Nazis, there is the same thing as serving this Nazism

[aglet]

"here investors will come to Mariupol"
who are you calling that? Rotenberg, Abramovich? or an unknown Chinese or American? no one will come, there are no fools with big money. everything will be restored at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, and half, of course, will be plundered, as always. and the city of 500 will continue to live at the expense of the budget, since they are not going to restore the industry, and you cannot fill the city budget from coffee houses and barbershops. so let's get ready

[Tochilka]

And something tells me that Khusnulin will be awarded the Star of the Hero of Labor as a result.

[aglet]

"And something tells me that Khusnulin"
and not to him alone, rewarding the uninvolved is a common thing

[carstorm 11]

How many times have you traveled to Mariupol in recent months? Maybe they organized something there?

[aglet]

"How many times have you been to Mariupol in recent months?"
for all his rather long life, he was in Mariupol twice, passing through .. however, then he was called differently. And why should I organize something there? for this there are specially trained people close to the body, members of the ep, and the flag in their hands. I can only see the results and evaluate them, according to my own understanding

[carstorm 11]

So we all love to evaluate. We don’t do anything ourselves, but we evaluate it. Whom to reward. Who is involved.

[aglet]

"We don't do anything ourselves, but we evaluate it"
everything I needed to do in my life, I did. I'm not going to work for anyone. I have the right to evaluate what has been done and written by others, and I use it. you, too, as I understand it, only evaluate, you don’t exhaust yourself with work for the benefit of others, scribble 10 comments a day - there is no time left for work

[carstorm 11]

There is such a thing as a phone. He is always with me and for these 10 posts I spend 15 minutes per day. At the same time, for example, now using a treadmill.

[mikh-korsakov]

aiguillette from the collar. The question is not whether they will plunder or not, the point is the amount of plundered, they steal always and everywhere, even in Finland, but little by little. Further, I am not aware of Abramovich, I agree, you are probably right - a thief, but why are you on Rotenberg like that? It was he who led the construction of the Crimean bridge, and no matter what anyone says, the bridge is standing, and Rotenberg himself is under sanctions. So THEY (oligarchs) are different. Something else bothers me. Crimea is OURS, that's for sure, but then why don't Crimean teams play in Russian football championships? But from there, under the Soviet regime, I remember, the quite viable team Tavria played in the major leagues. Well, well, football officials used to say NO WAY, because the Russian Federation is a member of FIFA, UEFA and plays in the championships, and in general football is a Russian game, although solid blacks played in the major leagues, I think the word black is harmless, because a black is a black. But now that sanctions have been imposed on Russian football, what is stopping you? That is, there is the hope of our football officials, and suddenly everything will somehow magically return to normal. That is silent sabotage. Here in this I see an ambush, and not in Rotenberg. If the Rotenbergs see a profitable business, they will come, and in the Donbass itself, I’m sure there will be their own Rotenbergs. The point is the sabotage of the fifth column within our bureaucracy. Will there be a prison uniform on them? I'm afraid not, Putin is too versatile.

[aglet]

"But why are you on Rotenberg like that?"
But what, is this a man of crystal honesty, and a hard worker? one Plato speaks of his successes. if he were a tennis coach, and worked, for example, with Yavlinsky, he would hardly have grown to a star. and what is under sanctions is not an indulgence, and it is unlikely that he suffers greatly from this. and the budget, it seems, compensates for the losses of such sufferers

[mikh-korsakov]

aiguillette from the collar. But nevertheless, Rotenberg is directly related to the Crimean bridge - he led the construction. Further, I do not consider. that proximity to Putin is an unconditionally compromising circumstance. I am in no way ready to compare both figures, but Menshikov was a slander of Peter 1, and he stole, but he also did a lot of useful things. As for theft - everyone steals as much as they can. Finns are poking us in the face here - as a model of honesty. And who in the Leningrad region on the border in large quantities bought up obviously stolen round timber? Are they Finnish? And what kind of buying up of stolen goods is due, I hope you know.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Nevertheless, Rotenberg is directly related to the Crimean bridge - he led the construction.

let's define concepts more clearly - he did not lead the construction of the Crimean bridge! There was a chief engineer and a construction director, who rummage around how to do it .. He headed an LLC that received a construction contract, and yes, I think because of "proximity" to the "main". after which the whole process itself was organized and led by completely different people who understand construction and bridges .. therefore the aiguillette is right. and there is nothing heroic about signing a contract. all the more, I don’t think it worked at a loss .. now, if it was a big minus, but of its own free will, then it’s another matter, it can be considered as a merit ..

[aglet]

“That is, there is the hope of our football officials, and suddenly everything will somehow magically return to normal. That is, quiet sabotage.”
and not only football, many are waiting for it to be as before, and therefore sabotage. And starts blacks. here you are absolutely right - a black man, he is a black man, no matter how he calls himself

[mikh-korsakov]

aiguillette from the collar. But everyone knows this. just football and sports in general is the most egregious and illustrative example.

[max702]

Quote: north 2

. And how should Russia and the DPR

Again, Russia owes someone? May be enough?

[nikvic46]

Now at least bring the infrastructure of Donbass back to normal. After all, the war is essentially not over.

[Eug]

Azovstal was focused primarily on heavy engineering plants in Donbass - Azovmash, Novokramatorsk, Starokramatorsk and others,
enterprises of the shipbuilding industry in the south of the USSR - and from this point of view, the logistics are simply amazing. In terms of raw materials, coking coal from Donbass and iron ore raw materials from Krivoy Rog (however, it is not known who Krivoy Rog will be after according to the results of the NWO) is also convenient to deliver. Of course, investments in the restoration of Azovstal do not promise a quick return, but in terms of transportation and production costs, it was perhaps the most highly profitable metallurgical plant in the USSR. And recreation on the Sea of ​​Azoa with its features, in particular, a very treacherous bottom with sandy funnels that form near the coast, actively growing (and rotting with the appropriate aroma) algae, the accompanying midges, herds of jellyfish that adore the water heated by the sun's rays - nu-nu. ... as for me, there are many who want to restore the plant, especially foreign investors, even with the observance of the strictest environmental standards.

[Olgerd_m]

And where will these 450 people work if the factories are not restored - everyone will be managers and waiters .....

[lis-ik]

Quote from: Olgerd_m

And where will these 450 people work if the factories are not restored - everyone will be managers and waiters .....

And we have almost the entire country in the service sector.

[EvilLion]

And what does your country have to do with Russia?

[lis-ik]

Quote: EvilLion

And what does your country have to do with Russia?

Direct, do you live in some other Russia?

[ximkim]

There you will need to restore EVERYTHING!

[andrewkor]

As soon as the Technopark is mentioned, I have an association with the Tashkent aircraft factory TAPOiCH! Fortunately, no one bombed or destroyed him, there were no casualties. He died quietly after a long illness and excruciating agony. Most of the territory B is given just under the Technopark of production of various profiles. There is an assembly production of cars. Several workshops were given to the TashMekh plant from TimurYullari (Railroad). Il-14 stands near the administrative building, as a reminder of the past glory. Along the edge of the territory. passed the highway and residential buildings. The city is reconstructing and putting in order the unique DKTA. Life goes on. Good luck to Mariupol residents and Russians!

[Aviator_]

, I have an association with the Tashkent aircraft factory TAPOiCH! Luckily no one bombed him.

And I have an association with the Moscow ZIL. No one bombed him either, but they killed him irrevocably after Luzhkov. He also tried to support him.

[andrewkor]

He worked at the GLTsKCH in 1978-81. Recently I looked at the ruins of the workshop, my heart sank from my native service station!

[EvilLion]

ZIL was killed when the promising ZIL-170 was transferred to KAMAZ. A classic example of the ruin of an enterprise that did not have a model range and was located within the city.

[Paul Siebert]

Why this infantilism in the title?
Or or...
Both!..
Mariupol is a symbol of our first major victory in the Donbass. A freed half-millionaire.
This is a political factor.
And Mariupol is the largest industrial center with a large seaport on the Sea of ​​Azov.
And this is economics...
There is no need to "separate the flies from the cutlets." Because it's not meatballs at all. And not flies.
Mariupol - the city of Russian glory!
And now and forever!

[Or me]

Recovery of Mariupol: politics or economic calculation?

Does it happen separately? Most likely, this is the state policy of Russia, and I have no doubts that Mariupol will become part of the Russian Federation, based on an economic analysis of the situation. And, not least, there is a calculation for the future.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Elijah

the future is being considered.

The fact is that no one is going to give away a percentage of twenty-five million high-tech jobs.

[Mordvin 3]

The first is the attraction of foreign investors interested in the development of the region.

Anyway, you can read no further. Yeah, the Chinese will come and teach Mariupol how to work.

[Alexander Kuksin]

All this can happen in one case - this pseudo-state called Ukraine must finally and irrevocably become the property of History, as a historical misunderstanding. Only regions and districts.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Second, no matter how cynical it may sound, new territories should generate income.

How can there be cynicism, the desire to make the territory profitable?

[Sotskiy]

...In the place of Azovstal, which, as you know, no one is going to restore, a technopark will be built...

Until 2014, Azovstal was a direct competitor to our oligarchic "metalworkers" in our region, because the price per ton of Ukrainian rolled metal was incomparably lower than the price of "fastened" steel. Now there is no competitor and nothing prevents raising prices to "global" prices within the Russian Federation.
Indeed, what can be the recovery of production in a country with a resource-based economy that has destroyed its own industry in 30 years?
Now the remnants of this very industry are being finished off by the irrepressible appetites of the "fastened" oligarchs ... Losses from sanctions must be beaten off. Well, this, as they say, - "you do not understand, this is different"
So goodbye to Azovstal, like other metallurgical complexes of the achievements of the Soviet people, the capitalist, raw-material Russian Federation, you are not needed.
Decommunization, however ...

[Slavutich]

So be it. It's a big deal.

[svp67]

Recovery of Mariupol: politics or economic calculation?

And what, now one walks without the other?
Now the main thing is that the inhabitants of the city want him to live. And the authorities just need to help them with this.

[Baikal57]

Apartments to be restored by shift workers in the Far and North. There is a type of dacha with relatives and small ones for the soul and pension.
Our metallurgists will breathe a sigh of relief that competitors will be redirected to other plants.

[maxim1987]

Donbass should become a testing ground for testing new technologies in housing and communal services and construction. PP pipes, 3D printing in private housing construction (the production of printers will be established in the mentioned technopark), autonomous resource supply, new technologies for waste processing, etc.

[aglet]

"this is to attract foreign investors interested in the development of the region"
and who will feed his competitor? this is if Azovstal is restored. and if not restored, no one abroad needs Mariupol, and investments will pay off for a very long time

[AML]

but even by Ukrainian standards, he belonged to depressed regions

In Ukraine, the main part of state funding has flowed and is flowing into ZU, the southeast on a residual basis. Therefore, the memory drowns that in Ukraine everything is like in Europe, but in the east they do not see this.

[solar]

but even by Ukrainian standards, he belonged to depressed regions

Mariupol did not belong to the depressed regions. Several of the largest metallurgical plants gave high salaries, the plants were profitable and Mariupol did not need state funding. This is, perhaps, a rather rare case when, after 1991, the city began to live better than under the Union.

[aglet]

"Several of the largest metallurgical plants gave high wages"
so the factories will not be restored

[solar]

yes, I have read it already.
it means that before that Mariupol was not a depressive region, as they say, and since the time of Little Faith it has changed a lot for the better.

[Aleks2048]

I read the article and the comments are just surreal ...
Everything goes to the fact that the Donbass will become a region of the Russian Federation, but in fact the Russian Federation is already granting citizenship to all rogues. Of course, it would be more interesting if the citizens of the former Ukraine were given some semblance of a green card. Given that the Donbass will become a region of the Russian Federation, a lot of questions immediately arise, including on sanctions and on investments, especially foreign ones. How can investors be interested in the sanctioned territory and let's not forget about its permanent, in the long term that the NWO will not cover the whole of Ukraine, a controversial status, or someone believes that the whole world will easily recognize new territories as part of the Russian Federation. How to attract investors with such instability?
Now, everyone is so fond of saying that the Donbass and the same Mariupol are just Eldorado in Ukraine, maybe they themselves and will restore the same prisoners following the results of the SVO, they will round up and force them to plow to death there. And at the same time, the author and everyone who believes that it is absolutely vital to restore everything there would create some kind of NPO fund or something similar, and they would send their personal money there, the organization would distribute it and thus the restoration would go on. I'm sure everything would have collapsed in the first year. Even the author understands this and therefore wants the entire banquet to go at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation, that is, it’s not a bad idea to get into the pocket of every Russian. And what will the author and Donbass put in the pocket of each Russian personally as a result of the SVO? And there is an answer to the last question, and it lies in the fact that nothing will be allowed except chatter. A lot, like the author and his supporters, were put into the pocket of the Russians following the annexation of Crimea, but I’ll tell you the answer - nothing.

[Engineer]

So far, the most surreal is your comment.
You see, these 20 years the vertical of power has been built not to explain something to you, and even more so not to put something in your pocket.
Mariupol now who needs Mariupol. If they want, they will build a showcase, an image project. And all the regions will be forced to throw off on this matter. If they don't want to, they won't.

[Aleks2048]

So far, the most surreal is your comment.

Unfortunately, the leadership of the Russian Federation does not inform citizens about its plans, and therefore it is already difficult to assess the effectiveness of its work.
But the leadership of the Russian Federation already has several subsidized regions in the Russian Federation.
And your comment about the vertical of power and why it is needed only confirms what was written in my comment.

[Engineer]

it is already difficult to assess the effectiveness of its work.

You want to measure management performance, but what if you decide that performance is poor? Need a replacement? Maybe even build a democracy for you? How about decaying?

NWO is not about democracy and efficiency, it's about the Leader around whom you need to rally in a decisive battle. Just in case, I remind you.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Everything goes to the fact that the Donbass will become a region of the Russian Federation

И

Of course, it would be more interesting if the citizens of the former Ukraine were given some semblance of a green card.

T / e according to the type of Baltic. Although he was born in this area, is he not worthy of citizenship while a non-citizen?

[Aleks2048]

T / e according to the type of Baltic. Although he was born in this area, is he not worthy of citizenship while a non-citizen?

Exactly. The very fact that, although he was born and lived in this area, does not negate the fact that he paid taxes to another state. Does not cancel the fact that they came and helped him get rid of the Ukrainian statehood themselves, then in fact such citizens could not do this, or did not want to do it. All of them out of habit for free.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

So it was a different state. They haven't moved anywhere, they still live there. And the fact that they themselves could not get rid of it, we also have no merit in the fact that we now live in Russia, and not in the USSR. T / e we are also transferred to non-citizens?

[Aleks2048]

So it was a different state. They haven't moved anywhere, they still live there.

So the question is what exactly the Russian Federation will receive as a result of the SVO. And if the answer is territory, then what to do with the people living in this territory.

And the fact that they themselves could not get rid of it, we also have no merit in the fact that we now live in Russia, and not in the USSR. T / e we are also transferred to non-citizens?

And here let me disagree with you. When the destruction of the USSR took place, everyone took part: someone tacitly agreed, someone actively sawed the people's good, someone ran along the barricades, etc. It is not necessary to say that it is not my fault in the collapse of the USSR, I supposedly just worked at a factory doing my job. This does not negate the fact that such people could not have an active civic position, and with it responsibility. Further, the USSR existed on the territory of each of its individual republics, and the people who lived in them decided for themselves where to live. And with the collapse of the USSR, in fact, they chose life in separate republics. It is these people who have invested their labor in these separate republics and they fully claim citizenship in these republics. Those who were born after 1991 apply for the citizenship of the republic where they were born because their parents worked in these republics. But whatever one may say, but the annexed former Ukrainian territories and the people who live in them never invested their work for the benefit of the Russian Federation, and moreover, the Russian Federation helps them to get rid of the Nazi regime, they want to be restored, and even better so that the standard of living screwed up from Ukrainian to the Russian Federation and why should these persons be equal to the Russians?

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

if the answer is territory, then what to do with the people living in this territory.

Russia has never divided territory and residents.

When the destruction of the USSR took place, everyone participated:

Not the destruction of the USSR, but the fall of the economy. Which is not identical.

It is these people who have invested their labor in these separate republics and they fully claim citizenship in these republics.

Tell the authorities of the former republics about it, open their eyes.

they want to be restored to them, and even better, to turn the standard of living from Ukrainian to the Russian Federation, and why should these persons be equal to the Russians?

This is what made Russia different from other powers, because it saw others as its own, and not as colonies.

[Aleks2048]

This is what made Russia different from other powers, because it saw others as its own, and not as colonies.

People value only what they got with their sweat and blood, everything else is priceless, that is, it’s worth nothing. And now the author and those who support him want to benefit everyone who lives in the Donbass, Kherson region, Zaporozhye, etc. at the expense of the budget of the Russian Federation. simply by the fact of their existence. And this is a dead end. It is necessary that part of this population die of hunger, part simply from overwork, so that the people go through sweat and blood, and not just stand in the humanitarian line. Then the rest will pray to the Russian Federation and love us more than ourselves. Otherwise, a dead end and death for the Russian Federation.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

It is necessary that part of this population die of hunger, part simply from overwork, so that the people go through sweat and blood, and not just stand in the humanitarian line. Then the rest will pray to the Russian Federation and love us more than ourselves.

I have heard this from someone. For the last 8 years, this mantra has been broadcast by the Maydanovites. But somehow the Donbass did not love those who bestow grace. Paradox.

[Aleks2048]

But somehow the Donbass did not love those who bestow grace. Paradox.

Remind me where the Ukrainians talked about what I propose. Ukrainians in Donbass were forbidden to speak Russian and consider themselves Russians, but they were not forbidden to be citizens of Ukraine. You brought the substitution of concepts as evidence.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Remind me where the Ukrainians talked about what I propose.

From all stands.

Ukrainians forbid Donbass to speak Russian and consider themselves Russians

There was no mention of this in your quote I cited.

You brought the substitution of concepts as evidence

He reported only about what the Maydanovites were broadcasting the same thing.

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Alex2048

So it was a different state. They haven't moved anywhere, they still live there.

So the question is what exactly the Russian Federation will receive as a result of the SVO. And if the answer is territory, then what to do with the people living in this territory.

And the fact that they themselves could not get rid of it, we also have no merit in the fact that we now live in Russia, and not in the USSR. T / e we are also transferred to non-citizens?

And here let me disagree with you. When the destruction of the USSR took place, everyone took part: someone tacitly agreed, someone actively sawed the people's good, someone ran along the barricades, etc. It is not necessary to say that it is not my fault in the collapse of the USSR, I supposedly just worked at a factory doing my job. This does not negate the fact that such people could not have an active civic position, and with it responsibility. Further, the USSR existed on the territory of each of its individual republics, and the people who lived in them decided for themselves where to live. And with the collapse of the USSR, in fact, they chose life in separate republics. It is these people who have invested their labor in these separate republics and they fully claim citizenship in these republics. Those who were born after 1991 apply for the citizenship of the republic where they were born because their parents worked in these republics. But whatever one may say, but the annexed former Ukrainian territories and the people who live in them never invested their work for the benefit of the Russian Federation, and moreover, the Russian Federation helps them to get rid of the Nazi regime, they want to be restored, and even better so that the standard of living screwed up from Ukrainian to the Russian Federation and why should these persons be equal to the Russians?

Many did not understand what was happening. Referendum on the preservation of the USSR. Descended, of course, voted for. I was pleased to see the results. And got it out of my head. And then three pi ..... Ahem, three figures decided everything for 270 million. That's why it was accepted - it's not clear. It is possible that the three figures were yelling to the whole wide world that nothing had changed.
And I freaked out and entered VU. At 24.

[solar]

How to attract investors with such instability?

Restoration until 2035 and unknown investors for some reason remind the story of how Khoja Nasredin undertook to teach a donkey to talk for the Shah's money.

[iouris]

Economic calculation is the concentrated expression of politics.

[RoTTor]

postulate of Marxism-Leninism

[Maks1995]

IMHO .2 options. Or they will come up with something sensible and restore it. But it is unclear what it will produce.
All ties are severed.
Or there will be LDNR and Chechnya in one bottle. EDRO, Poverty, closed enterprises, the remaining ones work for a penny and the fleeing population.

Who wants a new Skolkovo? With the new Rybka and Leslie?
Iho, a publicity stunt that everyone will soon forget. How many of these Skolkovo have already been promised, and silence ...

[RoTTor]

Author, understand economic geography, economics, logistics and geopolitics.
Those who created a unique metallurgical complex there and restored it after the Great Patriotic War in record time without any imported equipment and technology knew what they were doing and were definitely smarter and more qualified than you.
To restore the metallurgy of Donbass on the latest and promising technologies is necessary in any way.

The seaport, whose important cargo has always been Kuzbass coal, according to the idea of ​​the creators, is superbly "mounted" with domestic metallurgy and with the export of agricultural products. This is what the oldest Azov Shipping Company, stolen from the Square, was doing.

[Aviator_]

The seaport, whose important cargo has always been Kuzbass coal,

Well, probably anyway Donbass.

[Dkuznecov]

...........................................
"Darkly leaden,
and the rain is thick as a tourniquet
workers are sitting in the mud
they sit, they plait a splinter.

Slim lips from the cold,
but lips whisper in harmony:
"In four years
there will be a garden city! "
......................................
Here the explosions cry
To disperse the bear gangs
And it will explode the bowels of the mine
sub-coal "Giant."
(V. Mayakovsky)

I wonder which financial group after Akhmetov
will control all this economy,
when the Russian Federation will restore the destroyed city?

[solar]

when the Russian Federation will restore the destroyed city?

When or if? Or, to paraphrase, if, then when?

[Dkuznecov]

it is truth too.

[pogis]

It is necessary to release the Dnipropetrovsk region, where the industry is 16% of GDP (Donbass 25% until 2014) and the jackpot Nikopol manganese deposit (40-50% of world reserves).

[solar]

there industry is 16% of GDP

To be honest, there will be no industry there, as happened in Mariupol. That is another region that requires budget funding for recovery.

[saygon66]

- But how! We have nothing more to raise! Forward...

[Moneron]

the restoration of the Donbass economy by Russia is a time bomb against the existing enterprises of our country itself. now we don’t know what to do with our surplus ... but with the launch of the restored enterprises of the DPR, what will we do with the sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbsurplus products? unhealthy competition within the country will definitely lead to economic fading in the metropolis itself. products made in refined weather conditions will ALWAYS be cheaper than Siberian frosty suffering.
we ourselves produce unemployment and poverty in Russia with our own hands ... at our own financial expense ... a double payment for momentary political benefits.
conclusion: to make the Donbass an agricultural region ... or a tourist mecca.

[EvilLion]

In one way or another, up to 90% of residential buildings in Mariupol turned out to be destroyed and damaged

It is enough to watch the video from there to understand that this is nonsense.

In the short term, the task is primarily to ensure the lives of people, even if the city is purely subsidized for some time. And what exactly and how will be restored is not a question of one article. And the population of the city is now much smaller than before the war.

[sansan2]

Yes, you should stay away from such experts as the author of the article, or keep them away. A brilliant idea, let's create a recreational cluster instead of production, the terminology is what effective managerial. I am embarrassed to ask in our country that the lack of such capacities, as far as I understand, there are problems with the quality of service, but not with the quantity, and then, in order to relax, you need to work somewhere. In my opinion, the West has already shown the viciousness of such a development path, when the entire economy, or most of it, is service, food, entertainment, tourism - this is a soap bubble economy. And what he writes about the excess capacity of steel plants is generally laughter, until recently, Azovstal had its own not frail market share and existed perfectly, but here it’s not necessary, it’s another matter that such production needs to be modernized in terms of ecology and technology, in terms of geography and logistics is the ideal place for production. What an idiotic practice to close factories and open exhibitions, some kind of technoparks, the next Skolkovo sawing will be next nanists came running, so for information, the main nanist of the country now feels very bad for his homeland. There is a raw material energy base, there is a human resources potential, what else is needed, such as high costs, the author, you are an idiot, these are not costs, but investments in the future in jobs, in the social sphere of the city, in the economic power of the country based on the real production sector. But investing in another hipster exhibition center of fashionable artists who pass off paintings drawn by horseradish as high art, that's just idiocy. Probably the problem is that to create a production base, you need a normal education and experience, and not design courses.

[Sergey39]

Plans, plans!
Let's see the implementation!)))

[Zaurbek]

The Soviet approach to the organization of industry must be studied. Often it is very well linked to the geography of the area. In Mariupol, all the main components for metallurgy were nearby. Only ore was imported through the port and rolled products were exported. And the coal of Donbass went there.

[Ros 56]

Of course both, when was politics separated from economics? These girlfriends always walk together, for one follows from the other.

[acetophenone]

If the plant is restarted, then it must be saturated with modern equipment, which is both expensive and not always available now.
Mariupol requires the introduction of high-tech production. Technopark to be built on the site of Azovstal

That's interesting! For a plant, not buying equipment is a problem, but for a technopark, it doesn't matter.
Extra metallurgical production is superfluous, and hanging one more Skolkovo around your neck is normal.
For metallurgy there is the most important thing: ready-made personnel. And for the technopark - will we bring it from China, along with the equipment?

[Incvizitor]

Don't discount Turkey

these bastards are the last who one would like to see on Russian soil.

[ailcat]

And again on the same rake:
We swell trillions into the "showcase" on the western borders of the country. Feeding the Russophobia of the locals. And taking away money from reliable and loyal regions, already barely making ends meet (I agree, this is not visible inside the Moscow Ring Road).
And after all, with every effort, everything west of the Volga was subjected to destruction or destruction in one form or another (Mariupol is east of the Volga? Its current state suggests that it is not).
My opinion is simple:
You need to invest in your territory. The Urals, Siberia, probably, and the Far East (the latter is debatable due to the presence of a super-dynamically growing rich China nearby - the region would not turn into another "showcase" that sucks money into itself with a frantic vacuum cleaner without real benefit for the country). To build the cities promised by Shoigu in Siberia, creating them as centers of technological development (and even just industrial centers that produce products with high added value. The main thing is not to be single-industry towns and away from the dangerous borders of the country).
And with Mariupol... And with Mariupol (and other destroyed Ukrainian cities. And maybe not only Ukrainian ones) to act angrier: deindustrialize. Under the tsars, Ukraine was an all-Russian granary - so let it be. Well, who doesn't want to - welcome to the new cities of Siberia...