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US media: To seize the initiative, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must act more actively against the Russian Navy

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In the West, they believe that the offensive of Russian troops in Ukraine is slowing down. Therefore, in order to seize the initiative, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must act more actively against the Russian Navy.


So argues the American military expert Brent Sadler, who previously served on navy 26 years old, in his article for 19FortyFive magazine (USA).

He suggested that the right moment had come for Kyiv to strike back, and the Russian Navy, in his opinion, was very vulnerable. Of course, for this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will need Western assistance.

We are not talking about the military actions of the two fleets "wall to wall".

The US media claims that the effective use of the Neptune anti-ship missiles of its own production by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the Russian cruiser Moskva and the receipt of foreign weapons of the same category have already forced the Russian Navy to make adjustments to its naval operations.

But anti-ship systems are not capable of doing anything with four Russian submarines operating in the Black Sea and launching missile attacks on targets throughout Ukraine. But if they can be neutralized, then Russia will not have the opportunity to transfer others, since Turkey will not allow them to pass through its straits.


And although Ukraine does not currently have anti-submarine weapons, it could get them from Western countries. In this case, Sadler believes, she will have a chance to clear the Black Sea of ​​the Russian Navy and thereby radically change the strategic balance in the region.
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  1. Leshak
    Leshak 4 August 2022 18: 35
    +33
    They are beaten on land, and they think about victories at sea ... Strange ... request
    1. gansales
      gansales 4 August 2022 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: Leshak
      They are beaten on land, and they think about victories at sea ... Strange ... request

      And what's strange .. The United States understands that we will soon take Odessa and cut off Svidomo from the sea, so they are inciting ..
      1. Seryoga Nemuslim
        Seryoga Nemuslim 5 August 2022 02: 58
        +1
        Without the Black Sea, pigs can continue to dig in manure
        1. Solomon
          Solomon 5 August 2022 04: 29
          +1
          They will dig up a new one .... They are no strangers winked
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 August 2022 18: 53
      +13
      Quote: Leshak
      They are beaten on land, and they think about victories at sea ... Strange ... request

      So it's not Svidomo who think about "naval victories", but the American Brent Sadler.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2022 19: 40
        +13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So it's not Svidomo who think about "naval victories", but the American Brent Sadler.

        Brent still does not seem to understand where Russia was attacking targets in Syria.
        Dumb, however.
    3. mitroha
      mitroha 4 August 2022 18: 53
      +7
      Quote: Leshak
      They are beaten on land, and they think about victories at sea ... Strange ... request

      So argues the American military expert Brent Sadler, previously served in the Navy for 26 years, in his article for 19FortyFive magazine (USA).

      So he is otherwise a complete layman, so he is trying to "reason" where, as he thinks, he is "dock"
      1. jack-no
        jack-no 7 August 2022 01: 54
        0
        26 ans dans la marine US, au fond du tonneau, pour faire des câlineries à ses collègues.
    4. evgen1221
      evgen1221 4 August 2022 19: 10
      +12
      Nothing strange, a Western journalist saw in the news feed about the day of the Navy in the Russian Federation and decided to squeeze an article under a beer on the topic.
    5. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 4 August 2022 20: 17
      +1
      Quote: Leshak

      +8
      They are beaten on land, and they think about victories at sea ... Strange

      Tomorrow they will remember about space
    6. withoutreverse
      withoutreverse 4 August 2022 20: 36
      +6
      Well, you need to think about something .. in order to distract yourself from your hopelessness.
    7. Wbond
      Wbond 4 August 2022 21: 03
      0
      ... just to divert attention from the real situation on the fronts ...
    8. iouris
      iouris 5 August 2022 11: 10
      0
      The submarine is not always in a submerged position.
      No one is interested in winning already. Interested in the damage that they can cause the Russian Federation. Omerika has invested in this.
  2. nnm
    nnm 4 August 2022 18: 38
    +30
    Laughter with laughter, of course, but after the loss of a number of ships of the Black Sea Fleet, one really wants to hope that in the end Ukraine will be deprived of access to the Black Sea, in principle.
    1. Sergio_7
      Sergio_7 4 August 2022 18: 43
      +18
      Definitely, there should not be any access to the sea near the outskirts !!
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 4 August 2022 18: 54
        +20
        There shouldn't be a border. Generally.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2022 19: 43
        +3
        Quote: Sergio_7
        Definitely, there should not be any access to the sea near the outskirts !!

        Not only the exit, but also the departure of something long-range.
    2. saigon
      saigon 4 August 2022 18: 45
      +2
      Yes, thoughts come into my head looking at how the fleet operates, but shouldn’t we send everyone who is not needed to fire missiles to the shore?
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 4 August 2022 21: 41
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      but after the loss of a number of Black Sea Fleet ships
      It was only thanks to the UWB that Moscow and other ships were lost .. Target designation, and in the case of Moscow, the ship's air defense jammer by the Americans. There are no ears sticking out, the whole American figure is visible ... If Russia does not take Odessa, then soon the entire sixth fleet of America and a bunch of NATO suckers will be in the Black Sea ... Time is still working for us. But everything can change. How will Turkey behave with the straits? Americans muddied Karabakh. They put Russia against Turkey ... The Americans come from different sides ... It didn’t work out in this corner, they try in the opposite.
  3. Asad
    Asad 4 August 2022 18: 41
    +3
    And what systems exist to hit a submarine from the shore? There seems to be no other options for a maritime power.
    1. nnm
      nnm 4 August 2022 18: 50
      +2
      I also want to know from experts how this is realistically feasible. Probably anti-ship missiles, if the boat is on the surface, or mines and depth charges from some kind of air carriers. Our "Western partners" will help with detection, and air defense, probably, can score with a massive salvo ..
      Now, I think, we must be as alert as possible, after the loss of earlier ships.
      But it is clear that these are all considerations of an amateur, far from the topic. I hope the experts will write more in the subject.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 4 August 2022 19: 13
        +5
        Quote: nnm
        Probably anti-ship missiles, if the boat is on the surface, or mines and depth charges from some kind of air carriers. Our "Western partners" will help with detection


        in the conditions of the NMD, not one of the Russian submarines in the Black Sea has ever struck with "calibers" from the surface, all campaigns of Russian boats are also submerged.
        As for mines and depth charges, in order to use them, you need to detect a boat, and from a satellite, a boat that is underwater cannot be detected in any way.
        In general, the range of Russian "caliber" missiles makes it possible to strike at Ukraine from deep in the rear.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 4 August 2022 21: 47
          +3
          Quote: lopvlad
          In general, the range of Russian "caliber" missiles makes it possible to strike at Ukraine from deep in the rear.

          Ships and inflict from the coast of the Crimea-Sevastopol. So far so good. Pah, pah, pah ... American Poseidons constantly hang over the Black Sea, all sorts of super duper drones .. They sniff and probe the sea. They can also look for boats ...
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 August 2022 19: 17
        +4
        Quote: nnm
        Probably anti-ship missiles, if the boat is on the surface, or mines and depth charges from some kind of air carriers.

        The PMT-1 anti-submarine torpedo mine was adopted by the Soviet Navy in 1972. PMR-1 and PMR-2 (anti-submarine mine-rocket). The difference between mines and PMR is that after detection and classification of the target by non-contact equipment, the parameters of the movement of the target (course, depth and speed) are determined. The warhead of mines of the PMR type moves towards the target at a speed of about 80 m / s and hits it with high efficiency. A broadband bottom mine-rakita is also used - a sea shelf mine (MShM).
        Against submarines submerged at a short distance from the ground, bottom non-contact mines are placed in areas with sea depths of more than 50 m. There are also modern self-propelled mines. The United States also has the same mines MK-50, MK-60. All of them are both ours and Amer's 80s of release (and no one will give new ones to Ukraine).
        Mines have a charge of conventional explosive (TNT) weighing from 20 to several hundred kilograms.
        But to lay mines from aircraft, you need to have aviation, which is not in Ukraine. Although a small number of mines can be placed from floating funds. Although all this can doubtfully be used by Svidomo.
    2. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 4 August 2022 18: 54
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      And what systems exist to hit a submarine from the shore?

      the terrible enemy of the submarine is the aircraft of the submarine, and if they transfer 2-3 Poseidon to the outskirts, they will be able to do things, unless of course our fighter aircraft have time to land them
      1. January
        January 4 August 2022 19: 07
        +4
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        if they transfer 2-3 Poseidon to the outskirts, they can do things

        In fact, this is a transporter-observer. He is defenseless. He will live until the command to launch the Crimean air defense. They don't work at the front.
  4. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 4 August 2022 18: 42
    -2
    The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is still weakly showing itself in the NWO ... mainly with Caliber launches.
    The Turks blocked the strait and the Black Sea Fleet was locked up in the Black Sea ... all the more so, the Ukronazis threw sea mines along the coast, which can be blown up no one knows where and when.
    After the death of the flagship, I think the Black Sea Fleet will not dare to carry out any landing operations ... Ukraine's wishlist to annoy the Black Sea Fleet with the help of the British is doubtful and adventurous.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 4 August 2022 19: 02
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The Turks blocked the strait and the Black Sea Fleet was locked in the Black Sea ...

      As far as I understand, the Black Sea Fleet is not locked, but others cannot come to it, that is, you can go out, you can’t go in ......
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 4 August 2022 19: 06
      +7
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is still weakly showing itself in the NWO ... mainly with Caliber launches.
      The Turks blocked the strait and the Black Sea Fleet was locked up in the Black Sea ... all the more so, the Ukronazis threw sea mines along the coast, which can be blown up no one knows where and when.
      After the death of the flagship, I think the Black Sea Fleet will not dare to carry out any landing operations ... Ukraine's wishlist to annoy the Black Sea Fleet with the help of the British is doubtful and adventurous.

      And how should the Black Sea Fleet show itself? It can be seen from the couch that in the 21st century the Black Sea Fleet is a coastal defense fleet with the main tasks of protecting its coasts and supporting ground forces. Naval aviation seems to be also seen in the calibrations. Marines are also not in the rear. And landings from the sea immediately looked doubtful.
      1. Third district
        Third district 4 August 2022 22: 43
        0
        Quote: Chronos
        Naval aviation seems to be also seen in the calibrations.

        Where was naval aviation seen in calibrations? And most importantly, what kind of aircraft.
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 5 August 2022 02: 59
          0
          Quote: Third District
          Quote: Chronos
          Naval aviation seems to be also seen in the calibrations.

          Where was naval aviation seen in calibrations? And most importantly, what kind of aircraft.

          SU24M, from what I came across, in the Nikolaevsky and Odessa directions. At least in the Crimea, aviation activity is noted.
    3. valentine light
      valentine light 4 August 2022 19: 12
      0
      The flag store crashed due to a turbine failure and subsequent fire, and the Ukrainians have nothing to do with it at all.
      Although the topic is very nice to them.

      They regretted overhauling the flagship for 50 billion and it turned out to be an emergency.
      I heard that the same accident was with the Canadian warship.
    4. lopvlad
      lopvlad 4 August 2022 19: 27
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is still weakly showing itself in the NWO ... mainly with Caliber launches.


      How should he show himself? rush to storm the coast of ODESSA in the conditions of saturation of the Ukrainian coastal defense with Western anti-ship installations?

      From the very beginning of the NMD, the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been erasing the Bandera army, its command posts and weapons from the face of the earth around the clock.
      1. tsvetahaki
        tsvetahaki 5 August 2022 00: 15
        +1
        At every briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry, we hear about the destruction of certain military facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of sea-based "caliber" missiles.

        It would be much cheaper to launch from barges - with the same efficiency of both missiles and a fleet of barges.
        Even "Club" is ready for this.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 5 August 2022 19: 40
          0
          Quote from tsvetahaki
          It would be much cheaper to launch from barges


          Well, let's start with the fact that how many container Club-Ks were produced in general is unknown. Considering the fact that the first Club-K samples were produced in 2011 and 11 years later, not a single country in the world acquired them, and even in Russia they were not put into service, then It turns out that everything remained at the level of samples.
          At the same time, the barge, due to its low mobility, is essentially closer to a stationary object.
          1. tsvetahaki
            tsvetahaki 5 August 2022 21: 48
            0
            At the same time, the barge, due to its low mobility, is essentially closer to a stationary object.

            You see, you can also save on barges!
            But seriously - the mobility of the "fleet" that even shoots at the ukram line from where, so as not to be sunk - an interesting thing, but not used.
  5. Tarasios
    Tarasios 4 August 2022 18: 44
    +14
    "The West believes that in order to seize the initiative, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should act more actively against the Russian Navy."
    Reminded of an old joke:
    Once upon a time there were mice and everyone offended them. Somehow they went to a wise owl and say:
    - Wise owl, help with advice. Cats hate us. What should we do?
    Eagle Owl thought and said:
    - And you become hedgehogs. Hedgehogs have needles, no one offends them.
    The mice were delighted and ran home. But on the way, one mouse asked:
    - And how can we become hedgehogs?
    And everyone ran back to ask this question to the wise owl. They ran and asked:
    - Wise owl, how can we become hedgehogs?
    And the wise owl replied:
    - Guys, you do not load me with nonsense. I am engaged in strategy.
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 4 August 2022 18: 46
    0
    But if they can be neutralized, then Russia will not have the opportunity to transfer others, since Turkey will not allow them to pass through its straits.

    And this is how Russia and Turkey will agree
    And although Ukraine does not currently have anti-submarine weapons, it could get them from Western countries.

    Even if it does, where will these "funds" be based? the export of grain is one thing, but Ukrainian ports are closed for everything else.
    1. Third district
      Third district 4 August 2022 22: 49
      -2
      And this is how Russia and Turkey will agree
      Turkey has never been our ally. They have always fought against us. What can be agreed with them, if they are now openly supporting Ukraine, supplying weapons that kill our guys. Moreover, it is a NATO country.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 5 August 2022 08: 47
        +1
        Turkey has never been our ally. They have always fought against us.

        Basically yes. But for example, at the beginning of the 19th century, Turkey and Russia were allies in the war against Napoleon.
        Well, of course, the interests are different, and often opposite.
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 August 2022 09: 46
        -1
        Quote: Third District
        Turkey has never been our ally.

        You have gaps in the historical knowledge of our Fatherland
  7. Arkady007
    Arkady007 4 August 2022 18: 51
    -1
    It is necessary for Russia to think about how to clear America from the United States.
  8. Paladin
    Paladin 4 August 2022 18: 56
    +1
    Armed Forces of Ukraine should act more actively against the Russian Navy

    An armadillo got stuck in the fields near Kherson
    Three nuclear submarines near Kharkov belay
    More active, more active, chubaty macaque,
    Said expert Brent Sadler laughing

    PS In the meantime, in the meantime...
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation admitted the involvement of the United States in the emergence of COVID-19
  9. Roust
    Roust 4 August 2022 18: 58
    +1
    If the ruin loses all the seas, they will dig a new one for themselves in the Lvov region and will threaten our sailors from the west on the old troughs.
  10. valentine light
    valentine light 4 August 2022 18: 58
    +3
    Oh those "storytellers"
    who ate hamburgers for 26 years at the expense of the US Navy:
    "...He suggested that Kyiv has come .." and "...Russia will not have the opportunity to transfer others, since Turkey will not allow .."
    We are transferring fleets from the Caspian Sea to the Azov Sea and from the White Sea to the Baltic Sea and back.

    Ignorance of the performance characteristics of RTOs and Russian boats is also like not knowing the average depths of Azov :))

    We remaal banderlogs on land - this is real.
  11. LOCKS
    LOCKS 4 August 2022 19: 14
    +2
    Of course, this is unpleasant to realize, but after the incident with the disabling of the flagship, they have every reason to think so. And we have something to think about...
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 August 2022 19: 21
    +2
    US media: To seize the initiative, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must act more actively against the Russian Navy
    Exactly. To do this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must buy a new Navy from the United States! And do not trifle, sell not grandchildren, but great-grandchildren, why do you need them? request
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 4 August 2022 21: 53
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      To do this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must buy a new Navy from the United States! And do not trifle, sell not grandchildren, but great-grandchildren, why do you need them?

      They have already let their grandchildren into cannon fodder.
  13. kakvastam
    kakvastam 4 August 2022 19: 30
    +4
    The fact that the front, which should have collapsed or at least crumbled back in the spring, is still not broken, suggests that time is working against us.
    There were no Haimars - they appeared, Donbass began to be shelled to an even greater depth, and with growing intensity. Does anyone doubt that with the transport infrastructure carefully guarded by our leadership, the enemy will receive everything that they want to deliver to him?
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 4 August 2022 20: 45
      +1
      Well, he gets it, and the enemy gets it, so the thesis that time is against us is doubtful if the top management has given the go-ahead: take your time. It was the Soviet Union that was accumulating stocks, and they are now being disposed of, that shells, that Kh-22, read what a Ukrainian soldier writes about Sands, about 6 days of hell, the day before yesterday it seemed to be walking on the network, well, just recently. Piece goods will not save, the Poles put a lot of tanks at the very beginning, and were left without tanks. In the rest of Europe, they see that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not achieve noticeable success anywhere, and there is a lot of talk that it is time to stop wasting their own reserves.
  14. Konung
    Konung 4 August 2022 19: 38
    +1
    What kind of interception of the initiative from the Russian Navy? Ukraine left the fleet with 3 air mattresses, two catamarans and one and a half combat swimmers.
    But the Americans did not fuss in vain, because soon Odessa is approaching, and the Russian army will definitely take it with the support of the Navy.
  15. Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin 4 August 2022 19: 42
    +1
    But anti-ship systems are not capable of doing anything with four Russian submarines operating in the Black Sea and launching missile attacks on targets throughout Ukraine. But if they can be neutralized, then Russia will not have the opportunity to transfer others, since Turkey will not allow them to pass through its straits.
    hehehe... let them spend their time on unrealizable dreams, but for now we are all happy that Russian submarines are very effectively putting things in order in the steppes of Ukraine...))) GOOD FELLOWS RUSSIAN SAILORS-SUBMARINES!!!
  16. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 4 August 2022 20: 50
    +2
    -Surrender immediately!
    - Do you have boats?
    -...Oh please...
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 4 August 2022 21: 57
      +3
      Quote: Cottodraton
      -Surrender immediately!
      - Do you have boats?
      -...Oh please...

      And in response, a word of three sacred letters with a preposition on , pronoun you and verb let's go
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 6 August 2022 12: 18
        +1
        This is censorship
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 August 2022 22: 21
    +2
    He is some kind of strange American military expert Brent Sadler. what Maybe he's just dumb?
  18. Storog dvornik
    Storog dvornik 4 August 2022 22: 23
    +3
    "... if they can be neutralized, then Russia will not have the opportunity to transfer others ..."
    This "XPerd" apparently does not know about the Volga-Don canal, and in general the geography of the Russian Federation ...
    I'm not completely sure, but the average draft of the Varshavyanka, and the depths of water bodies, allows its transfer both along the Volga, and along the Don, and along the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, at least in a surface state ...
  19. Jose
    Jose 4 August 2022 22: 46
    0
    Boats on inland waters can be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet.
  20. Siberian54
    Siberian54 4 August 2022 22: 55
    0
    Who is talking about what and lousy about the bath .. At the outskirts, even the officers who actually went to sea can already be counted on the fingers, but because of the puddle of naval victories. But in general, "Moscow" should hiccup for a long time to the command staff of the Black Sea Fleet. and demobilized demobilization, even at headquarters they managed to grab
  21. Pharmacist
    Pharmacist 4 August 2022 23: 16
    +1
    "... But anti-ship systems are not able to do anything with four Russian submarines operating in the Black Sea and delivering missile strikes on targets throughout Ukraine. But if they can be neutralized, then Russia will not be able to transfer others, since Turkey will not let them pass through their straits."

    In fact, even in the Second World War, submarines were built in Nizhny Novgorod (Gorky) and transferred along the Volga. It will be necessary - and they will transfer it through the Volga-Don Canal. Especially small submarines, by the way, managed to deliver even to Lake Ladoga.
  22. -BupTyo3-48rus
    -BupTyo3-48rus 4 August 2022 23: 56
    0
    Here are the underdeveloped ones. The Caspian flotilla did not work for us yet. You can jump out of there too.
  23. Normann
    Normann 5 August 2022 00: 34
    0
    Strategist from God) why didn’t they do this before?
  24. Michael
    Michael 5 August 2022 01: 16
    +1
    The cruiser was sunk as planned. Hello to all sailors.
  25. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 5 August 2022 03: 39
    0
    26 years, the term is certainly not short, but it is one thing to frighten the natives and another to fight. Although, the cruiser "Moscow" will poke us in the face for a long time. I wonder who he served!? very similar to our "analyst" Korotkevich.
  26. forester
    forester 5 August 2022 03: 49
    +1
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Dumb, however.

    No, just a brake, well, or slow gas), as you like)
  27. squid
    squid 5 August 2022 04: 13
    0
    is there really a sect of "great naval commanders" in the west who believe that the main thing always and everywhere is the fleet?
  28. Two
    Two 5 August 2022 07: 06
    -1
    hi "Scaws full of manure
    Zelya brought to Odessa ... "
    Get started! There are more scows! Bye ...
  29. Sergey39
    Sergey39 5 August 2022 07: 32
    0
    Yes, Tanov’s analysts are getting smaller, how can you carry such nonsense! (((
  30. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 August 2022 06: 06
    0
    Stupid striped advisers, Russians, of course, are gouging, but not clinical idiots. The loss of "Moscow" was enough for the eyes, so it's better not to start, it will hurt.