Microsoft creates a soldier of the future

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The US Army continues fun experiments to create the appearance of a soldier of the future. This time, the US military's contractors turned out to be smart people from Microsoft. And not in the field of software, the scope of talent was somewhat different.



It all started back in 2019, when, as part of a program to develop advanced technologies to improve situational awareness and soldier capabilities, the US Army invited Microsoft engineers and other employees to a military base in North Carolina for a series of week-long boot camps.

That is, engineers and programmers were forced to play the role of soldiers on the battlefield, driven through an accelerated course for recruits.

The Microsoft team gained invaluable experience and learned a lot about navigating the terrain, maneuvering in the dark, and communicating in the field. The goal was to help engineers understand the complex environments soldiers work in, and then use that knowledge to develop a mixed reality headset that thousands of US military personnel will be working with in the near future.

Because Microsoft was a non-traditional defense contractor, we felt that for them to be able to experience what soldiers really feel and go through would help in making some technical decisions, some people told me it was quite an original experience,

- Mark Stevens, Deputy Program Manager.

The exercise was an example of a unique partnership between Microsoft and the US Army, which eventually awarded the company a contract to produce mixed reality headsets based on Microsoft HoloLens technology. The devices, using what is known as an Integrated Vision Augmentation System (IVAS), will allow soldiers to see through smoke and around corners, use holographic images for training, and project 3D terrain maps into their field of view at the touch of a button.

Soldiers who in turn took part in the program provided feedback that shaped many of the key features of the headsets.


The Army plans to begin equipping its soldiers with these headsets as early as September of this year, and leaders say the devices will revolutionize the way American soldiers train.

Soldiers will be able to rehearse and train in more realistic scenarios using augmented reality to prepare for what they will face.

says Master Sergeant Mark Krug, senior staff consultant who has worked on the project since its inception.

“IVAS will inevitably save lives,” says Krug. "This is our main goal - to bring our servicemen home from any assignments."

We will talk about how true this is a little lower, but for now it is worth evaluating the work done by Microsoft employees.

In general, this program has become an indicator of how closely a civilian structure can cooperate closely with the army. Microsoft engineers kneaded the mud at army training grounds and ran through the woods, while soldiers tested prototypes, first at Microsoft's industrial design and software labs in Redmond, Washington, and then in the field. As a result, the feedback received was used to develop the next version of the device.

By February 2021, the team had collected data on nearly 80 hours of soldiers working with vehicles. Even the COVID-000 pandemic did not stop the process, just the testers switched to remote work, using all the same Microsoft developments for data exchange and visualization of work processes.

Using prototyping processes, we were able to figure out what worked and what didn't. If we didn't get feedback from the soldiers in such numbers, we might start to develop in the wrong direction,

- A circle.

Microsoft technical officer Alex Kipman, who created the HoloLens and its predecessor, the Kinect line of motion-sensing devices, says the military's involvement made the project unique.

It is unusual that a state structure has decided to work together with us. I give credit to the Army for their level of understanding of the need for further growth. They were the right people with the right approach to business, which allowed us to realize this project,

- Kipman.

Not everything was easy. I had to, for example, repeatedly redesign the glasses of the headset. With input devices in general, there were many difficulties. Early prototypes included a HoloLens headset to which engineers attached cameras, goggles with overlays. These devices met all the requirements of the army for durability, water resistance and shock resistance. But no one took into account that headsets should allow users to shoot a rifle, resting the butt against the shoulder.

Yes, it seems like a trifle, but when we tried it, it turned out that the glasses and everything hung on them simply do not allow you to aim through the standard rifle sights.

In addition, it turned out that glasses greatly impede peripheral vision. As a result, Microsoft developed more than three dozen glasses to eventually meet the needs of the soldiers.

In general, it turned out that the approach to understanding the processes of soldiers and engineers ... is somewhat different.

Microsoft creates a soldier of the future

For example, Microsoft specialists have developed a “washer” (a white thing on a soldier’s chest), an interface for controlling a headset and entering data. Placed on the chest, it was convenient to manage, all processes could be carried out with one finger. But when the soldiers put on their regular backpacks and began to crawl, 90% of the test specimens failed.

The interface turned out to be very gentle for such "fine" operations as crawling on the bellies, especially in rainy conditions. I had to redo the entire structure, but in the end, Microsoft engineers were on top.

What is this not entirely clear thing and why does the US Army need it so much?


IVAS uses HoloLens mixed reality technology, as well as thermal imaging cameras, optical sensors, and GPS. The main task of this system is to improve the situational awareness of soldiers and provide them with important information that will help them plan, train and carry out missions. The devices allow soldiers to see where they are and what is around them by projecting holographic images, XNUMXD terrain maps and a compass into their field of vision.

For what? First of all, to simulate the places where the missions will take place. Instead of practicing on the ground, where models are usually assembled from improvised means, IVAS allows soldiers to use 3D maps depicting the places they will be in.

Soldiers could use IVAS to see the object of attack, for example, with their own eyes in different conditions: day, night, in moonlight, without it, in rain and fog. Thus, having studied the object and approaches to it in detail in advance, it is possible to develop an action scenario as close as possible to the ideal one.

In addition, since IVAS uses personnel location information that is distributed over the tactical network, soldiers will be able to see where other members of their platoon are, even in darkness or fog. The new thermal imaging camera processing technology will allow soldiers to see through smoke, and overall the system has improved night vision capabilities.

David Marra, Program Director of IVAS at Microsoft, praised the capabilities of the created system:

Think about what we did: we gave the soldier instant situational awareness not only of his objective environment, but also of the proximity of important people. This will have a big impact on the safety of the soldiers and greatly reduce the number of friendly fire and other incidents.

By the way, yes, "friendly fire" is the scourge of the US Army, which claimed more than one life in the same Afghanistan. Therefore, in terms of the safety of soldiers on the battlefield, this is a really big step.

IVAS can be easily connected to the scope weapons, optical or reflex, in which case the system will allow soldiers to see what the optical sight on their rifle sees and even more, allowing them to safely look around corners. The technology transmits what the scope sees to the soldier's headset, no matter which way the soldier is looking, and soldiers can exchange digital data between headsets.


While the devices are still being tested by the army, IVAS has already changed how soldiers interact, Krug says.

The capabilities we have at this stage of the program have allowed soldiers to rethink how they operate. This will give a new twist to events, and in the end it will mean more knowledgeable and prepared combat units.

IVAS is being developed under an agreement that gives the Army more flexibility to rapidly develop and test new technologies in collaboration with non-standard military contractors. This agreement allowed IVAS to be developed in less than three years, much faster than a typical project of this type.

Krug says the project's success to date also depends on having the right partner. The army had an idea of ​​what it wanted when it launched this initiative, but it took a company like Microsoft to really make it happen.

Microsoft did a really good job of trying to figure out what the army needed and also add some things to the product that we didn't know we needed or didn't even know were possible.

The system conceived and implemented by Microsoft is really interesting. Moreover, the option that will show where your fighters are located will be able to minimize losses from friendly fire if IVAS will be used on the battlefield in the future. In the conditions of urban development - very, very useful.

As for the image of virtual places where you have to act, this is also very useful. Seeing what the terrain looks like, walking through it, marking useful landmarks for yourself, especially in conditions of an early degree of illumination - all this can really help the fighters a lot when planning operations.


It is quite possible that Microsoft will really be able to bring "tomorrow" closer in terms of equipping US Army soldiers with new and useful equipment. It is clear that there will be a lot of questions to the new support system, but its usefulness is already obvious.

The cost of one set (by American standards) is small - 27,5 thousand dollars. Agree, it’s a bit much for a virtual reality toy, but for a system that can be used as described above, it’s not so expensive. At the very least, the US military plans to spend almost a billion on the purchase of IVAS.

I wonder what the experts of the Russian army would say about the usefulness of such a system. The fact that we will not have this, most likely, is not surprising. But it immediately seemed to me how much easier it would be for the same special forces to work, say, in Mariupol, where they could calculate in advance the actions in the back streets of the Mariupol plant.
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  1. +8
    7 August 2022 05: 06
    Such systems are very necessary for our army.
    1. 0
      7 August 2022 05: 23
      Microsoft? Trust me, you won't need it. In China we usually call these things "PPT for Indian Programmers". It's nothing. It's just a bunch of "if...endif...esle..." bugs
      1. -1
        7 August 2022 09: 46
        Quote: Liao
        Microsoft? Trust me, you won't need it. In China we usually call these things "PPT for Indian Programmers". It's nothing. It's just a bunch of "if...endif...esle..." bugs


        I agree for the most part))

        Simply, then some startup will appear that will bring everything to mind, and the same MS will buy it.
        Or Google will buy, or someone else.

        MS engineers will create this startup, therefore, it makes no sense for them to give all the best right away, they will leave all the best for themselves.
        ***

        On the other hand, how will this system work in an electronic warfare environment?

        Can enemy hackers influence "friendly fire"?

        1. -6
          7 August 2022 13: 21
          In modern warfare, tanks and soldiers fight in the third echelon and crush the remaining isolated pockets of resistance. The enemy forces in these cities, towns, villages are isolated and deprived of support and all vital communications ... What kind of electronic warfare can we talk about?
          Just do not consider backward armies without advanced real-time reconnaissance information tools that fight using WWII methods with heavy losses against the same enemy, or against partisans ... Hundreds of billions of dollars will be thrown out again in the USA. They have already created "network systems" instead of "network-centric" ... Moreover, they believe that this is the same thing and they have convinced everyone of this ... Flag in hand and fair wind. One set - 27,5 thousand dollars. Wonderful, is this in pre-crisis prices?
          The story is similar to the story with the F-35. For special operations forces, this is relevant, for the modern army it is not yet critical.
      2. 0
        7 August 2022 13: 24
        Quote: Liao
        Microsoft?

        With glasses Google Glass was taken for several years, then Google passed the baton to others.
        At first it was said that the military liked the glasses.
        Now it seems that version 3.0 is being offered on the civilian market.
    2. +14
      7 August 2022 06: 23
      It would be nice if our army had at least high-quality individual communication for each soldier. And not this full-time g .... obviously for fucking money.
      1. 0
        8 August 2022 22: 57
        Well, it does not burn in fire, it does not sink in water
    3. +4
      7 August 2022 06: 27
      "Funny experiments"? That is, the actions of soldiers in the conditions of a "network-centric battlefield" look funny to the author? Oh, I see. Something like this has been written here more than once, regarding the search for new ways of waging war - for example, about UAVs ... So "funny" ... well, well.
      1. -2
        7 August 2022 08: 07
        Quote: Snail N9
        "Funny experiments"? That is, the actions of soldiers in the conditions of a "network-centric battlefield" look funny to the author?

        Bullshit question, in twenty years and we will have such systems
        1. -1
          7 August 2022 10: 37
          Maybe after 120? feel
          1. 0
            8 August 2022 13: 09
            The Moscow Sokol Design Bureau, as part of a presentation at the Army-2021 forum, showed a working prototype of the Insurgent virtual reality glasses
        2. +1
          7 August 2022 11: 15
          Funny - this is most likely a translation problem.
          Never funny
          These systems are the future.
          Pay attention to the developer.
          Microsoft.
          They had never worked for the military before.
          HoloLens is originally a "home" technology, and here both are on! Such a twist! MC is now working for the military! Suddenly!
          Actually not all of a sudden. It has long been MS crawled into the Pentagon. And this is not by chance at all. What they want to implement will change the tactical battlefield. 27t.u.e. is just a penny.
          Of course, it is interesting to look from the other side of the glasses, but it is approximately clear what they offer.
      2. -4
        7 August 2022 17: 33
        So "funny" ... well, well.

        well, yes, for these big-eyed ones we have in our storerooms a self-propelled laser complex to counter the "Compression" optoelectronic devices
        + heavy flamethrowers Solntsepek

        and if you really look at all these tools, then you need a complex:
        Exoskeleton + overalls from shrapnel, open flame + mounted armor + breathing device (gas mask / scuba gear) + all these tools: night vision devices, rangefinders and target designators
        One company can't do this.
        In Russia, for this, there are many research institutes with R&D for 10 years or more
        1. 0
          3 October 2022 12: 05
          for these big-eyed people, we have in our storerooms a self-propelled laser complex to counter the "Compression" optoelectronic devices

          We have a razor with compression, 2 of them were produced, then a convention appeared prohibiting this type of weapon.
          then you need a complex

          I agree, something like "power armor" from the Fallout universe, only with a night vision device, a thermal imager, a sight that appears on the display if you put your cheek on the butt.
          But there is a big problem - micronuclear batteries do not exist. More precisely, there is RITEG, it’s called, but it’s not fucking micro - it will turn out like in a jumble “here is the clock, but these 2 suitcases are batteries for them.” And so, the technology has been around for a long time, only with Mother Physics the dispute is somehow not in our favor.
          1. +1
            3 October 2022 12: 13
            there are atomic batteries - on isotopes
            magazine Radio No. 2 1955
            1. +1
              3 October 2022 13: 48
              Oh I didn't see that, thanks for the clarification
    4. 0
      8 August 2022 23: 26
      Quote: Alexey Graff
      Such systems are very necessary for our army.

      I don’t think that it’s directly the army ... Perhaps parts, in the form of special units ...
      In general, when playing such toys, it is important not to forget the old methods of work in order to be able to complete tasks in the absence of electricity and other benefits of civilization, as well as in conditions of counteraction to electronic warfare. As we can see from the example of the NWO, the methods of war have not changed much since the Second World War. Gods of war and armor decide the outcome.
    5. 0
      29 September 2022 15: 09
      I represent in a combat conflict - wait, wait - I have a reboot. Wait, another update has arrived.
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 13: 58
        laughing Yeah, and then the update curve arrives, which sends the headset to the bootlap (endless reboot) wassat
  2. -4
    7 August 2022 05: 51
    As one of our military designer-developers said in an interview, the more electronics, the easier it is to turn it off, turn it off and deal with it.
    1. +12
      7 August 2022 06: 10
      Well, I would not agree with you ... smart anti-tank and anti-personnel mines are equipped with electronics ... sea mines ... torpedoes ... missiles of various classes and purposes ... etc.
      Looking at how the Americans track all our movements and strike with Hymars, you can’t say that it’s easy to turn off the electronics.
      In this matter, we must be ahead of the Americans ... so far we are lagging behind. hi
      I hope that our Ministry of Defense will entrust our military-industrial complex with the ambitious tasks of introducing electronics into various areas of military activity in vital areas ... reconnaissance ... target designation, information exchange between soldiers and units, and much more.
      1. -4
        7 August 2022 06: 29
        Is this the "war of the future" if fighting on the front lines still requires soldiers in fashionable, elegant armor?

        Are soldiers equipped in this way in Donbass, or is a large number of drones more of a concern? Are your 150mm guns taking care of these "soldiers of the future"?
      2. -2
        7 August 2022 10: 38
        He will definitely instruct ... This is how many grandmas for cutting hi
    2. -11
      7 August 2022 06: 25
      The cost of one set (by American standards) is small - 27,5 thousand dollars.
      And all this beauty is turned off by one short burst from Kalash ...
      1. +4
        7 August 2022 06: 39
        To do this, you need to get within range of a shot ... enemy artillery and aircraft can nullify a soldier’s attempts to fire a burst at all this beauty. smile
        And if you also mine all the approaches and passages for manpower ... what it's better to sit in a trench.
      2. +9
        7 August 2022 07: 09
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The cost of one set (by American standards) is small - 27,5 thousand dollars.
        And all this beauty is turned off by one short burst from Kalash ...

        But this beauty makes it possible for an American soldier to be the first to notice, distribute targets and hit soldiers with Kalash, after which they will no longer be able to turn it all off
      3. +2
        7 August 2022 15: 52
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And all this beauty is turned off by one short burst from Kalash ...

        The aborigines likewise believed that a couple of well-aimed bow shots were enough to do away with the British machine-gun crew.
      4. 0
        3 October 2022 14: 01
        Why queue? The senior shooter will send a small hello to the creators of the device exactly in the fifth eye, which is in the center, it may not pierce it, but the neck will most likely crack. Although if 5.45 may not crunch, but then it will break through
    3. -1
      7 August 2022 06: 42
      I also thought, how will this whole system behave in electronic warfare conditions? Although if purely for training, then it will do, as for the actual conditions of the battle - IMHO there are big doubts ....
      1. -3
        7 August 2022 06: 53
        If you smack over the battlefield with a powerful electromagnetic pulse ... of course, many electronics will fly to hell ... then only the traditional battle with small arms and a sapper shovel on the enemy's kumpol remains. what
        1. -2
          7 August 2022 16: 11
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          If you mock over the battlefield with a powerful electromagnetic pulse ... of course, many electronics will fly to hell ...

          We recall the course of school physics, apparently hopelessly truant. The energy of electromagnetic oscillations decreases in a quadratic dependence on the distance to the radiation source. That is, at a distance of 2 meters from the radiation source, the energy will decrease four times, at a distance of 10 meters it will drop 100 times. At a distance of 100, the pulse energy will decrease by 10000 times. This is the first ambush of the use of electromagnetic weapons.
          The second ambush is a short pulse duration. There just isn't enough time to burn even the input tracts.
          The third ambush is that it is quite expensive to manufacture. All of these intricately crafted and installed cesium iodide crystals and the detonation feature are expensive to manufacture.
          An atomic explosion in the upper layers of the atmosphere as a pre-emptive one, followed by massive processing by tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, will by itself nullify many decisions. But how many such examples do you remember?
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 14: 03
            Well, in general, there are low-power atomic shells, just for such purposes ...
            1. +1
              3 October 2022 19: 31
              Low-power atomic charges are not quite for this. This is one of their side effects. I have not seen anywhere about the purposeful use of low-power nuclear weapons for precisely these purposes.
              1. 0
                4 October 2022 08: 20
                Well, compare the use of UAVs, no one used them fully for reconnaissance before the hostilities. So why not use low-power, controlled-detonation charges to create an EMP pulse? And the removal of armored vehicles and superdevices of enemy soldiers at a expense) laughing It’s even interesting how they will behave if they suddenly turn off everything) wassat
                1. +1
                  4 October 2022 23: 14
                  Quote from SincerityX
                  So why not use low power, controlled detonation charges to create an EMP pulse?

                  Above I wrote an explanation for those who forgot the school physics course. About so quickly and strongly decreases the energy of EMP with distance. The pulse energy itself cannot be greater than the energy of the initiating charge. This also follows from physics and conservation laws. There is a third reason not to bother with this much: a stationary radar in a pulsed mode pumps megawatt-power EMP into space and many electronic devices calmly survive this exposure. I watched this action personally.
                  As for armored vehicles, it is a Faraday cage and, according to the Ostragradsky-Gauss gump theorem (gump is such a term), EMP will not cause much harm to electronics inside armored vehicles. All electronics are simply and reliably shielded by a thick layer of metal.
                  If you want to thoroughly break the electronics and the enemy himself, it is easier to bring a lead container with an opening window and Co60 inside (cobalt isotope 60). This is a very powerful source of hard gamma radiation, which ruins electronics most of all during the explosion of a nuclear weapon and not only electronics. And the steel sheets of armored vehicles will not help much, they will enlighten and disinfect everyone inside to the last. A terrible thing. Half a ton in one place and there is no civilization. You can launch a drone with a piece of Amercia or California over a cluster of armored vehicles. These are the most powerful sources of neutrons. In terms of intensity, spitting reactors at nuclear power plants. After exposure to neutrons, all alloying additives in the composition of armored steels (cobalt, molybdenum, titanium) form extremely luminous isotopes, which will slowly fry the crew.
                  1. 0
                    5 October 2022 08: 26
                    You tell it with such gusto that I start to fear you. belay wassat
                    At the expense of radiation, the EMP radiation of an explosion can theoretically be amplified, I think. Especially if it concerns low-power charges, in which the shell may not collapse immediately, probably. In addition, the Faraday cage does not neutralize EMP radiation, it turns part of it, a significant part, into electricity, and with a sufficiently powerful stat pulse. discharge through the hull of a tank can do a lot of trouble.
                    And for some reason, it seems to me that powerful radioactive radiation will be condemned by all and sundry.
                    1. +1
                      6 October 2022 21: 23
                      Quote from SincerityX
                      At the expense of radiation, the EMP radiation of an explosion can theoretically be amplified

                      Reinforcing is problematic. It is easier to direct (place a reflector), or make the wave front other than spherical (flat). There is such a thing as a maser - essentially the same laser, only emitting in the radio wave range. In an impulse, it can pump gigawatts. On its basis it is necessary to think. Or take the existing industrial installation of the maser, modify it a little with a file for combat needs and to the front.

                      In addition, the Faraday cage does not neutralize EMP radiation, it turns part of it, a significant part, into electricity, and with a sufficiently powerful stat pulse. discharge through the hull of a tank can do a lot of trouble.

                      The tank is too thick-skinned and well grounded by the tracks. In it, from electronics, only a radio station and a system for internal negotiations. In which case the crew can easily do without electronics in the old fashioned way.
                      But a sprayed cloud of table salt at a height of several hundred meters, when treated with a strong source of neutrons, burns out very quickly with hard gamma radiation. You can even feel it in space. Some isotopes of sodium surpass cobalt 60 in their activity.

                      And for some reason, it seems to me that powerful radioactive radiation will be condemned by all and sundry.

                      Strange position. Killing without leaving a living place is considered normal, but just quietly without noise and flash is already bad. The point is that a couple of TNW explosions will well ruin the electronics in a decent radius, which is now quite sensitive. And if this affects computing centers that cost billions of dollars and bring the same amount per year, then this will decently shake the EU economy. The damage will be worse than being left without gas. Banks, governments, large commercial organizations, small shopkeepers no longer keep servers in the back room or in the attic. They have long gone into the "clouds" - large computing centers comparable in size and cost to nuclear power plants. And now, if a couple of clouds fall, because EMP and penetrating radiation from TNW will multiply by zero all the processed and stored data, there will be epic fun.
                      In general, it is strange that our boobs are crumpled (this is very mildly speaking) and they shoot Caliber at the barracks (any FAB is many times cheaper and more effective). After all, if you calibrate a couple of traffic exchange points on the western border of Ukraine and process a couple of computer centers with the same FAB, the damage will be worse than from the explosion of a thermal power plant. Because we now live in the information age and information is the new oil.
                      1. 0
                        7 October 2022 09: 46
                        On its basis it is necessary to think. Or take the existing industrial installation of the maser, modify it a little with a file for combat needs and to the front.

                        Truth, a good idea, is born in a dispute. Just needs to be finalized so as not to receive parasitic microwave radiation.
                        The tank is too thick-skinned and well grounded by the tracks. In it, from electronics, only a radio station and a system for internal negotiations. In which case the crew can easily do without electronics in the old fashioned way.

                        Well, no, his road wheels are all rubberized, even on the T62, and grounding on a flat surface will only pass through the drive and tension sprockets. And firstly, they are painted, secondly, everything is always in shit, so it’s not a fact that they will become a conductor, unless a “breakdown” occurs, but then it will work out well too - the arc will weld the caterpillar to the sprocket.
                        Strange position. Killing without leaving a living place is considered normal, but just quietly without noise and flash is already bad.

                        So this is the position of the world community. It's not just that there are cries about nuclear weapons. Although it is clear that most of these cries are either hysteria or hypocrisy.
                        And if this affects computing centers that cost billions of dollars and bring the same amount per year, then this will decently shake the EU economy. The damage will be worse than being left without gas.
                        This is, of course, yes, but the use of nuclear weapons in the EU zone is a declaration of war, and there everyone will suddenly give a shit about small shopkeepers and the cries of officials.
                        In general, it is strange that our boobs are crumpled (this is very mildly speaking)
                        Well, because there are still a lot of Dubolomovs, for whom the map where the optical cable is drawn in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbUzhgorod and Lviv and the tower in Lviv are just incomprehensible pictures. Although even drones are not needed to reconnoiter the approximate location of this cable, a scheme of the outskirts distributed by the providers themselves is enough to clarify Google maps. The object is civilian.

                        And as for the effectiveness of the NWO strategy, I have long been perplexed why the theater of military operations was not isolated by stupidly transferring troops from the Republic of Belarus to the outskirts border with other states, flying along the border with securing and organizing strongholds and occupying hills. Then the main units come up and, using ammunition and equipment from warehouses in Transnistria, they simply dig in and hold any attempts to deliver something in two echelons.
                      2. +1
                        7 October 2022 22: 16
                        Quote from SincerityX
                        Just needs to be finalized so as not to receive parasitic microwave radiation.

                        What is wrong with parasitic microwave and EHF radiation? Penetrates deeply, warms up the outer skin well. The Americans are testing a dispersal device that fries the protesters a little with a directed beam. It can also fry electronics quite well. You can check at home using a microwave.

                        only pass through the drive and tension sprockets. And they are firstly painted, secondly, everything is always in shit, so it’s not a fact that they will become a conductor

                        It's enough. As well as the fact that the thickness of the armor in the tank is more than enough not to notice this. Tanks have a different problem. They are made of a good ferromagnet. I don't know, has anyone studied the magnetic anomaly of tank corps? Look, even small ships require demagnetization of their hulls so as not to be an easy target for torpedoes.

                        So this is the position of the world community

                        These are their personal sexual difficulties. Listening to them is akin to paying attention to the fact that grandmothers at the entrance gossip.
                        Now we need to skilfully remove tons of plutonium and uranium from ZNPP. There are not enough materials for global destruction of the planet.

                        This is of course yes, but the use of nuclear weapons in the EU zone is a declaration of war

                        He wrote that the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine could affect European computing centers.

                        Well, because there are still a lot of Dubolomovs, for whom the map where the optical cable is drawn in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbUzhgorod and Lviv and the tower in Lviv are just incomprehensible pictures. Although even drones are not needed to reconnoiter the approximate location of this cable

                        The coordinates of these buildings have long been known. It has never been a secret.
                      3. 0
                        10 October 2022 09: 56
                        What is wrong with parasitic microwave and EHF radiation? Penetrates deeply, warms up the outer skin well. The Americans are testing a dispersal device that fries the protesters a little with a directed beam. It can also fry electronics quite well. You can check at home using a microwave.

                        The fact of the matter is that it arises not only towards the goal, but also around the installation. I know about microwave guns, I read the experience of using these guns and saw videos of soldiers operating these guns with obvious injuries to the skin. So at least around the installation it is necessary to get rid of the microwave. And what is formed there at the goal is the problem of the goal. In addition, when it hits a metal, for some reason it seems to me that the metal is just an area with microwave radiation and will create around the place of impact.
                        It's enough. As well as the fact that the thickness of the armor in the tank is more than enough not to notice this. Tanks have a different problem. They are made of a good ferromagnet. I don't know, has anyone studied the magnetic anomaly of tank corps? Look, even small ships require demagnetization of their hulls so as not to be an easy target for torpedoes.

                        By the way, while I was quoting the previous one, I remembered that the metal heats up when exposed to EM radiation, and also radiates for a short period in the radio range, incl. microwave
                        He wrote that the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine could affect European computing centers.

                        It's understandable, but they see what kind of panic they have spread on the topic of nuclear weapons. Yes, and V.V. put an end to the question stating that nuclear weapons will be used only in a reciprocal way. Another thing is that the tYab is most likely already in position and ready to answer, well, or "answer", that's how it goes. Zelik stuttered in vain about nuclear weapons and tried to shake it with something that, firstly, he doesn’t have, but his opponent (we, that is,) has, and secondly, what the entire “world community” is terribly afraid of (sarcasm, read, the West) except for his opponent.
                        The coordinates of these buildings have long been known. It has never been a secret.
                        Here I am, sitting in awe.
                      4. 0
                        10 October 2022 15: 52
                        The fact is that there is not much point with such charges (strontium iodide crystals are very expensive and the manufacture of the charge itself requires very expensive equipment) against armored vehicles and infantry does not make much sense. Too expensive and inefficient. It's more about electronics clusters, which are usually in the rear.
                        Regarding the cries of the world community, several questions immediately arise for her: where were their talking heads, when dips (check word bugs) bombed the Zaporizhzhya NPP and why were they all silent as one when they gutted Yugoslavia using ammunition reinforced with depleted uranium? In some regions of Yugoslavia, there are still places where it is better not to linger. Many locals have serious health problems. The half-life of depleted uranium is about 4 billion years. No one from the world community even stuttered about decontamination.

                        Here I am, sitting in awe.

                        Likewise. Here are the coordinates of the places of border traffic exchange points, there are ground stations for correcting GPS coordinates (we also had them and may still be standing smile ), there are coordinates of the main traffic exchange points. There is expensive equipment. Hitting them sends the country back to the warm lamp 20th century. What are we sitting, who are we waiting for?
                      5. 0
                        11 October 2022 11: 55
                        Regarding the cries of the world community, several questions immediately arise for her: where were their talking heads when the uklops (check word bugs) bombed the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant and why were they all unanimously silent when they gutted Yugoslavia using ammunition reinforced with depleted uranium? In some regions of Yugoslavia, there are still places where it is better not to linger. Many locals have serious health problems. The half-life of depleted uranium is about 4 billion years. No one from the world community even stuttered about decontamination.

                        The same is true for Iraq, by the way. Sauce was also used there.
                        What are we sitting, who are we waiting for?

                        And that's it, Comrade Surovikin came and lived up to the aspirations of thousands of Russians by sending ukroreich to look for deadwood for kindling and torches. The West had a uniform hysteria, to the delight of the same thousands of Russians, and when the West has a tantrum, it means they did everything right.
                        Thus, we can sum it up short but succinctly: Hurray, comrades, this is not victory yet, but a big step towards it.
                      6. -1
                        11 October 2022 21: 50
                        Let's see. It's too early to say anything else. So far, only for the bridge made it clear. Before that, it was a complete connivance.
      2. +15
        7 August 2022 07: 10
        Quote: Maluck
        I also thought, how will this whole system behave in electronic warfare conditions? Although if purely for training, then it will do, as for the actual conditions of the battle - IMHO there are big doubts ....

        Even the civilian Starlink could not be crushed by electronic warfare, a huge pile of civilian UAVs fly quietly, and so on. Something in Ukraine did not show the super effects of all these super publicized electronic warfare wassat
        That's when the miracle of electronic warfare at least suppresses drones with Ali Express from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then it will be possible to talk about their miracles and threats.
        1. -5
          7 August 2022 07: 58
          I admit that such a task was simply not set, to suppress Starlink .. As for drones, you can’t install an electronic warfare installation for every kilometer of the front, but during an offensive, to suppress enemy communications in a specific area, they completely suppressed themselves.
          1. +4
            7 August 2022 08: 01
            Quote: Maluck
            I admit that such a task was simply not set, to suppress Starlink .. As for drones, you can’t install an electronic warfare installation for every kilometer of the front, but during an offensive, to suppress enemy communications in a specific area, they completely suppressed themselves.

            1. Well, yes, let the enemies communicate, why should they press the connection? Naturally set.
            2. The same is true for units, only there communication is 1000 times more interference-proof than that of drones, you can’t put it on every kilometer of the front, which means that 99% of the soldiers will continue to use all the wonders of this equipment. And 1% will have to use it in local mode, just like a cool night vision device.
          2. 0
            7 August 2022 08: 16
            Quote: Maluck
            I admit that such a task was simply not set, to suppress Starlink ..
            And how are you going to crush Starlink, well, purely technically.
            1. +2
              7 August 2022 16: 35
              The old fashioned way. There is a source of e / m radiation at a certain frequency with certain signal characteristics. Starlink works in full duplex, so it emits constantly (a feature of the tcp / ip protocol). Further, in the old fashioned way of fighting radars, a rocket, a kamikaze drone (I forgot, we don’t have either), 152-mm, 120-mm, a barrel of butane are sent to the appropriate source of radiation (lovers of gas equipment on cars know it as condensate It likes to drain into all sorts of recesses, because it is heavier than air and still burns extremely intensely).
              How to find the source? Just the old fashioned way of triangulation. As in the 90s they found all sorts of extra-powerful radiotelephones and leftist radio stations.
              1. -1
                19 September 2022 04: 12
                what nonsense, tcp is a transport layer protocol, ip is a network layer protocol, they don't even know that they work via satellite.
                1. 0
                  19 September 2022 15: 51
                  Well, we know the OSI model and we are also aware of the ip / tcp stack. What is unheard of happy. Therefore, I will immediately ask questions as a person in the subject. Here the ip-packet came to the client from the satellite. What's next for us? That's right, decapsulation. After which we receive our tcp packet. Everything is fine, I'm not confusing anything (or is it still worth re-studying Tonnenbaum)? And after all this, the handshake did not pass for one reason or another at the transport level. Accordingly, the questions are: what should the network stack of the device do in the case of a simplex, or in the case of a half-duplex? What protocol of the OSI model knows that it works via satellite? And what would happen in the case of an ip/sctp stack? And how does the causal relationship of the ip / tcp stack <-> full duplex and your extremely competent remark generally correlate? Perhaps you work as a PHP programmer?
                  1. -1
                    19 September 2022 18: 52
                    firstly, all streaming is now moving to UDP, so your very assumption of "connection continuity" is untenable.
                    secondly, maintaining the connection is the responsibility of the channel protocol (I don’t even know what skylink uses), you just had nothing to say, so they dragged in tcp|ip
                    thirdly, OSI has remained a theoretical design, in reality there are 4 levels in practice.
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2022 21: 36
                      What is the difference between simplex, duplex, half duplex? There is an idea in terms of radio communication what is it about? What is the fundamental difference between a full-duplex satellite terminal and a half-duplex one? Got a performance? Otherwise, then you can’t understand where tcp | ip was mentioned here. I guarantee. If anything, you can look for the answer on the Internet.
                      Now for the first paragraph. Can you clarify who exactly these people are who are switching to UDP, and even to transmit streaming data via satellite?
                      For the second. And how will the link layer protocol support its duty in the case of a simplex?
                      Lastly. Let's start bending our fingers:
                      - channel
                      - network
                      - transport
                      - applied
                      It only remains to find out where to attribute all sorts of cryptographic SSL and TLS (https, smtps), loved by RPC and gRPC programmers and loved by L2TP and IPSEC networkers? These are all extremely common protocols and are clearly not at the application or transport level. Or do 1C programmers have other opinions?
                      The physical layer hasn't gone anywhere. Sputnik is a radio channel with its own quirks.
                      Well, as at least some intelligible answers will be?
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2022 01: 07
                        Is this the limit of your knowledge, the degree of two-way transmission?

                        YouTube, VK, dozens of other services have switched to UDP for several years now.
                        The reason is the outdated speed correction mechanism for TCP errors. Since it is impossible to change the protocol - the volume of legacy devices and applications that need to be supported is too large, they switched to UDP, or rather, to its add-ons.
                        https://habr.com/ru/news/t/578978/
                        https://vk.com/@scienceandlive-pishem-svoi-protokol-poverh-udp

                        You, apparently, forgot or did not find unidirectional satellite communication, not like simplex, when the "up" packets went through a wired connection. I also advise you to read about the old network architectures of "ring" topologies, where the right to broadcast was transferred by a token.

                        this is truly militant ignorance
                        https://community.fs.com/ru/blog/tcpip-vs-osi-whats-the-difference-between-the-two-models.html

                        These are layer 4 protocols in TCP|IP
                      2. 0
                        21 September 2022 18: 56
                        Quote: Popov Artyom
                        Is this the limit of your knowledge, the degree of two-way transmission?

                        By no means

                        YouTube, VK, dozens of other services have switched to UDP for several years now.
                        These all services will be used in the satellite terminal at the forefront?

                        TCP. Since it is impossible to change the protocol - the volume of legacy devices and applications that need to be supported is too large, they switched to UDP,

                        There is a contradiction between the first and second parts of the inference. You can’t change it, because .... But at the same time they took it and switched to another (changed). How so? Or is it different?

                        they did not find unidirectional satellite communications, not like simplex, when packets "up" went through a wired connection.
                        This one is just called a half-duplex)) Here they are the very grandiose knowledge))

                        I also advise you to read about the old network architectures of "ring" topologies, where the right to broadcast was transferred by a token
                        Why read? I myself can tell you about the token ring and where it is still used. But these are not protocols, but architecture. It's like comparing a nine-story building and a trolleybus.

                        this is truly militant ignorance
                        Gorgeous. Fabulous. Simply amazing. It will be necessary to show the link to networkers at work.

                        Well, what about the answers? Will the satellite terminal I. Mask radiate back to the satellite in case of packet loss (even UDP)? Or again around and around? Or is it different?
                      3. -1
                        21 September 2022 20: 37
                        yes, there is a typo, "change"

                        I don't know how the Starlink channel works. And you don't know. But for some reason, statements were made.
      3. +6
        7 August 2022 11: 22
        Quote: Maluck
        But how will this whole system behave in electronic warfare conditions?

        Well, right now we are seeing combat in the presence of (supposedly) electronic warfare. And where is the magic?
        1. 0
          7 August 2022 13: 25
          As for the electronic warfare, this is necessary for the sect of the "Mighty" Khibiny "and the cowardly" Cook ". But for some reason they are now silent. request Hidden...
          1. -1
            19 September 2022 04: 13
            prove in another forum the concept of a flat earth and the impossibility of landing on the moon of Americans 45 years ago.
    4. +2
      7 August 2022 15: 48
      Quote from ARIONkrsk
      As one of our military designer-developer said in an interview,

      Oh yes, this is one of their favorite mantras. They use it for out-training and inspire others with or without reason. They also like to repeat that security cannot be convenient and easy.
      1. -1
        7 August 2022 17: 35
        TINTIN A and TINTIN B
  3. -3
    7 August 2022 05: 56
    I remember a movie like this, soldiers wearing virtual reality glasses, looking at people they see the infected and they are killed, the soldiers were children, this is a gesture, all of them are leading the youth to virtual reality now, in short, everything is for the sake of exterminating an unnecessary number of people on Earth
    1. +1
      3 October 2022 14: 11
      Yes, it also turned out that these glasses were given to the children by aliens and forced to clean up the planet from the partisan population, substituting for them a picture supposedly everyone who does not wear a bracelet (seemingly) is "infected".

      However, this suggests the idea of ​​hacking and target designation substitution. We necessarily must learn to do so.
  4. +2
    7 August 2022 06: 12
    In principle, the idea itself is not bad. But there are also disadvantages. It has already been written in the comments that the more complex the technique, the more likely it is to fail. Roughly speaking, the GAZ-51 is much easier to fix on the road than any of the modern cars. Plus, such an important factor for any fighter as extra weight. Who served, remember: which is easier, march with full gear, or light? The more things are hung on a fighter in battle, the faster he gets tired. In general, for me personally, this is an ambiguous innovation.
    1. +5
      7 August 2022 06: 40
      You're right about the march. Especially at the end, when every extra kilo feels like five.
      1. +8
        7 August 2022 07: 13
        Quote: Maluck
        You're right about the march. Especially at the end, when every extra kilo feels like five.

        The Americans almost never run marches, they have an excess of transport aircraft and armored vehicles. Got out of the BMP shot, climbed in and drove on
        1. +5
          7 August 2022 12: 09
          After the destruction of the BMP Have to make a march. In general, in the US Army, basic training is practically no different from ours.
          1. -3
            7 August 2022 16: 22
            Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
            After the destruction of the BMP Have to make a march. In general, in the US Army, basic training is practically no different from ours.

            Or wait for the arrival of new ones from the base, of which there are enough.
        2. +3
          7 August 2022 20: 10
          Quote: BlackMokona
          The Americans almost never run marches, they have an excess of transport aircraft and armored vehicles. Got out of the BMP shot, climbed in and drove on

          Even in Afghanistan, they immediately realized that in reality such scenarios do not work and they need to stomp on their own two feet.
    2. IVZ
      +4
      7 August 2022 07: 28
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      In principle, the idea itself is not bad. But there are also disadvantages. It has already been written in the comments that the more complex the technique, the more likely it is to fail. Roughly speaking, the GAZ-51 is much easier to fix on the road than any of the modern cars. Plus, such an important factor for any fighter as extra weight. Who served, remember: which is easier, march with full gear, or light? The more things are hung on a fighter in battle, the faster he gets tired. In general, for me personally, this is an ambiguous innovation.

      That's right, but when a fighter has such a system, depending on the specific conditions, there is a choice - to use the device or leave it in the armor, at the base, at the checkpoint, etc. I believe that the system, even in its current untested form, has a great future, taking into account further development, especially in terms of integration into ASBU and similar systems.
      1. +2
        7 August 2022 12: 13
        It is quite possible that it will not be superfluous. But it depends on many factors. We do not know the future, therefore it is impossible to speak with certainty about any things. A person can plan a day, but circumstances change, and the plan flies into hell. hi
        1. +6
          7 August 2022 12: 35
          This type of square type Macedonian heavy infantry is not highly mobile infantry. In the case of urban police operations, these expensive pieces of equipment can give an advantage to elite forces. But in the field, like the Ukrainians, where you don't even see the Russian army in the field for three months, will these alien goggles help them avoid shelling?
          1. +3
            7 August 2022 20: 32
            Quote: Liao
            But in the field, like the Ukrainians, where you don't even see the Russian army in the field for three months, will these alien goggles help them avoid shelling?

            That's right. The author of the article, repeating the advertising slogans of MS, believes that these "alien glasses" in the cellars of Mariupol Azovstal would really help our special forces look around the corner of the underground corridors.
            But it immediately seemed to me how much easier it would be for the same special forces to work, say, in Mariupol, where they could calculate in advance the actions in the back streets of the Mariupol plant.

            Only at the same time, he does not think about the fact that not only 3D models do not exist for such industrial facilities, but most often there are not even full-fledged paper construction drawings and plans.
      2. +1
        7 August 2022 20: 19
        Quote: IVZ
        That's right, but when a fighter has such a system, depending on the specific conditions, there is a choice - to use the device or leave it in the armor, at the base, at the checkpoint, etc.

        What's the matter is that they don't have such an opportunity and never will. For this, the Serbs nicknamed them "pi.ndo.sami". They walk like pregnant penguins, hung with a variety of devices, directly prescribed in the terms of insurance. In addition, they are so accustomed to the use of electronic gadgets that they simply forgot about orienteering with a paper map, ruler and compass a long time ago. In principle, they were no longer taught this in military educational institutions. After a global shutdown on the battlefield of the Internet and GPS, there will be a complete collapse of management.
    3. +2
      7 August 2022 14: 17
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      It has already been written in the comments that the more complex the technique, the more likely it is to fail.
      The breakdown of this thing is not critical: now the soldiers do without it. But its presence increases the chances of survival.
    4. 0
      7 August 2022 16: 43
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Plus, such an important factor for any fighter as extra weight

      So maybe all sorts of helmets, armor, knee pads and heavy berets in the furnace? There dushmans barefoot with a bag on their body and a turban on their heads caused so much trouble. Karamultuk and a couple of BCs are enough for him.
  5. 0
    7 August 2022 06: 21
    Robocops are patrolling somewhere.
    It has been 40 years since it has to go from kin to life.
    Shooters and goggles for special forces. 1 day a year.
    And for whom?
  6. +5
    7 August 2022 06: 38
    Seeing what the terrain looks like, walking through it, marking useful landmarks for yourself, especially in conditions of an early degree of illumination - all this can really help the fighters a lot when planning operations.
    .
    As experience shows, no matter how you plan, the war still flows in its own way .... and the one who has the best skills to adapt to current conditions wins.
  7. +3
    7 August 2022 06: 53
    This is the future of a network-centric army, and we have drones from aliexpress, we won’t have this for another 100 years ....
  8. +2
    7 August 2022 07: 02
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    The more things are hung on a fighter in battle, the faster he gets tired. In general, for me personally, this is an ambiguous innovation.

    A fighter's equipment will be hung on a robot dog and the soldier will operate lightly ... the Americans are already testing this bunch. what
    The day is not far off when the unit will have such helpers-mules carrying the whole burden.
    1. -4
      7 August 2022 07: 06
      A company in Boston that makes robotic dogs has gone bust multiple times. The last owner was a Korean company.
      1. -1
        7 August 2022 08: 24
        Quote: Liao
        A company in Boston that makes robotic dogs has gone bust multiple times. The last owner was a Korean company.

        Boston Dynamics has never gone bankrupt. It's just that Google first bought it, and then sold it to Toyota.
  9. 0
    7 August 2022 07: 14
    >US Army continues fun experiments
    The result of their "funny" experiments is usually that they fight their wars almost without loss, yeah. Of course, the choice of the opponent also plays a role here, but still.
    1. +1
      7 August 2022 08: 25
      Quote from Witsapiens
      >US Army continues fun experiments
      The result of their "funny" experiments is usually that they fight their wars almost without loss, yeah. Of course, the choice of the opponent also plays a role here, but still.

      The choice, preparation of the enemy and the creation of allies is an important aspect that is given very little attention in Russia. We do not understand at all that it is necessary to first thoroughly drive the enemy into the economic, political and diplomatic ass with sanctions and various operations, thereby greatly weakening him before the start of the war.
  10. 0
    7 August 2022 07: 30
    Quote: Liao
    A company in Boston that makes robotic dogs has gone bust multiple times. The last owner was a Korean company.

    Clever businessmen will find a use for these gadgets ... yet their time has not yet come.
    The Chinese are already opening air taxi firms based on flying aero bikes ... a cool thing.
    The flight range is decent for urban conditions and it all looks fantastic.
  11. 0
    7 August 2022 07: 42
    In general, it turned out that the approach to understanding the processes of soldiers and engineers ... is somewhat different.
    Yes, it happens often
  12. -3
    7 August 2022 07: 50
    But China will not give batteries and Shaw? winked Although you never know which project will "shoot" and go into life, and which one will become a "propeller" apparatus (film "Talent") Life will show.
    1. -2
      7 August 2022 08: 03
      Quote: Captive
      But China will not give batteries and Shaw? winked Although you never know which project will "shoot" and go into life, and which one will become a "propeller" apparatus (film "Talent") Life will show.

      Musk makes batteries in the USA. It has production lines of its cells in Fremont, Nevada and Texas. And the same Japanese calmly deliver.
  13. +2
    7 August 2022 07: 56
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Quote: Maluck
    You're right about the march. Especially at the end, when every extra kilo feels like five.

    The Americans almost never run marches, they have an excess of transport aircraft and armored vehicles. Got out of the BMP shot, climbed in and drove on

    Well, yes ... but is it okay that transport aviation on radars glows like a Christmas tree and is an easy target for air defense? Why is there transport aviation, even ordinary cars are easily detected from the air by UAVs and destroyed. And if you need to covertly get close to the front end? Robodog to harness???
    1. -2
      7 August 2022 08: 07
      Quote: Maluck
      Well, yes ... but is it okay that transport aviation on radars glows like a Christmas tree and is an easy target for air defense? Why is there transport aviation, even ordinary cars are easily detected from the air by UAVs and destroyed. And if you need to covertly get close to the front end? Robodog to harness???

      1. To do this, at the first stage, a huge hail of missiles, UAVs, aircraft, helicopters and other flying gunners falls on the enemy and suppress air defense. Translating it from an echeloned and combat-ready type, into a variant of funny ambushes and shootings. Where he quietly left, shot at someone and immediately ran away from numerous rockets and shells in the legs.
      2. Somehow, even in Ukraine, the Russian army was not able to suppress and stop the transportation of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but yesterday the news was how the Ukrainians are calmly moving right at the front line in large tank columns and at least henna.
      3. And the MTR troops are secretly selected, and this is special forces that can carry much more than an ordinary soldier thanks to selected physical characteristics and serious training, and on their heads they already have a heavy heaped night vision device, which is simply replaced by these glasses. Since they are both night vision devices and teplok at the same time. winked
      1. 0
        7 August 2022 20: 55
        Quote: BlackMokona
        yesterday the news was how Ukrainians are calmly moving right at the front line in large tank columns and at least henna.

        I note that that tank column moved no one knows where. Most likely somewhere deep in the rear beyond the Dnieper.
  14. +2
    7 August 2022 08: 14
    All this is great, but I have some uncomfortable questions.
    First, what about EMP resistance? Secondly, how long do standard batteries last? Thirdly, will they be able to provide the required production volumes?
    1. +4
      7 August 2022 08: 22
      1. Ordinary military standards. If there are nuclear strikes, then night vision devices, teploki and much more will fail, but no one refuses them.
      2. Six hours on one battery charge, then either change the battery or charge it.
      3. From the point of view of production, it’s actually just a VR headset that is stronger than usual and with NVD + thermal built-in, there are no problems producing them in the indicated volumes.
      1. 0
        7 August 2022 10: 27
        Thank you.
  15. 0
    7 August 2022 08: 23
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Quote: Snail N9
    "Funny experiments"? That is, the actions of soldiers in the conditions of a "network-centric battlefield" look funny to the author?

    Bullshit question, in twenty years and we will have such systems

    He went for the Christmas tree for the third time. And got her! But that was in the spring. And he took the tree back.
  16. AML
    0
    7 August 2022 08: 48
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Quote: Maluck
    I admit that such a task was simply not set, to suppress Starlink ..
    And how are you going to crush Starlink, well, purely technically.

    Well, for example, spray a metallized aerosol. Satellite communications can be suppressed for a very long time, depending on the spray height.
    1. 0
      8 August 2022 10: 11
      In theory, it's possible. In practice, there are some difficulties:
      1. Means of delivery? Either a projectile to shoot or a rocket with an explosion in the air ... Do they already exist or do they still need to be invented?
      2. Coverage area? Million for a million? Where will we shoot?
      3. How fast will the breeze blow the cloud away? Preferably not in our direction.
      1. AML
        0
        8 August 2022 17: 15
        Are you serious?
        There is something with a known location. We take the magnetron and fuck somewhere there. All for sim.
        You can take the magnetron out of the microwave. Break not build.

        The ground station uses afar not because it is dofiga smart, but because it got rid of the antenna adjustment mechanism. 3-5 minutes and the next satellite.
        1. +1
          8 August 2022 23: 59
          Quote: AML
          Are you serious?
          There is something with a known location. We take the magnetron and fuck somewhere there. All for sim.
          You can take the magnetron out of the microwave. Break not build.

          The ground station uses afar not because it is dofiga smart, but because it got rid of the antenna adjustment mechanism. 3-5 minutes and the next satellite.

          How many satellites does the foreman have and how many Starlink terminals were sent to Ukraine?
          Do you really understand what you are writing about?
  17. AML
    +1
    7 August 2022 08: 53
    Quote: Maluck
    You're right about the march. Especially at the end, when every extra kilo feels like five.

    Oh, yes, in the topic about UAVs, I already tried to bring that people get tired, but plankton, which did not hold anything heavier than a pencil, downvoted. Each of 100500 UAVs, weighing 2 kg each, is not much.
    1. 0
      7 August 2022 14: 19
      Quote: AML

      Oh, yes, in the topic about UAVs, I already tried to bring that people get tired, but plankton, which did not hold anything heavier than a pencil, downvoted. Each of 100500 UAVs, weighing 2 kg each, is not much.
      Then let's throw out the radio. She also weighs what to carry, right? Or binoculars.
  18. AML
    0
    7 August 2022 08: 58
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Quote: Liao
    A company in Boston that makes robotic dogs has gone bust multiple times. The last owner was a Korean company.

    Clever businessmen will find a use for these gadgets ... yet their time has not yet come.
    The Chinese are already opening air taxi firms based on flying aero bikes ... a cool thing.
    The flight range is decent for urban conditions and it all looks fantastic.

    TA-dah. In China, and so on in cities, 6 lanes in one direction. They will also have an air taxi and generally tryndets.
  19. +2
    7 August 2022 08: 58
    Someone doubted that Microsoft, Google, Apple, SpaceX with starlinks and other crap were largely created, supported and promoted by the State Department and the Pentagon.
    And they serve primarily to strengthen American influence, when at any moment they can try to disconnect an objectionable country from "all benefits", or a "peaceful non-military private company" (substitute any American transnational corporation here) suddenly turns out to be completely non-peaceful, and its developments can used to kill and war against objectionable countries, including Russia.
    A vivid example of this is SpaceX and Starlink, which during the NWO were used both to kill Russian soldiers and to strike at civilian infrastructure and the civilian population.


    In March 2018, the Space Development Agency (SDA) was formed by Under Secretary of Defense Michael D. Griffin (who was also a key participant in the founding of SpaceX). He noted the new organization had "the sole mission to accelerate the development and fielding of new military space capabilities" with a focus on commercial low-cost Low Earth orbit satellites.
    ...
    Starlink's military satellite development is overseen internally at SpaceX by retired four-star general Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy.

    Translation:
    In March 2018, the Space Development Agency (SDA) was created by Undersecretary of Defense Michael D. Griffin (who was also a key contributor to the founding of SpaceX). He noted that the new organization had "the sole mission of accelerating the development and deployment of new military space capabilities" with a focus on low-Earth orbit commercial low-cost satellites.
    ...
    The development of the Starlink military satellite inside SpaceX is overseen by retired four-star general Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink

    It is necessary to strengthen real import substitution. If necessary, joint cooperation with China in this area. And our top management needs to remember once and for all that all such corporations are a projection of American influence and domination in the world and can be used against us at any moment (this is by the way about dependence on Winodws and MacOS on the Russian market).
    1. +1
      7 August 2022 10: 44
      Yes, the leadership doesn’t give a damn about this .. The loot is dripping, well, okay ... The rabble of the celestials do not care about problems ....
  20. 0
    7 August 2022 09: 38
    We will do nothing to steal. We don't have our own Microsoft.
  21. 0
    7 August 2022 10: 28
    A very versatile system and very dangerous for the enemy in close combat! The most effective countermeasure will be EMP!
    1. -1
      9 August 2022 00: 01
      Quote from Electric
      A very versatile system and very dangerous for the enemy in close combat! The most effective countermeasure will be EMP!

      You read about the physics of that same EMR first, and then you speak heresy ...
      1. -1
        9 August 2022 08: 15
        What is the heresy in the impact of an electromagnetic pulse on sensitive electronics?
        1. -1
          9 August 2022 10: 11
          Quote from Electric
          What is the heresy in the impact of an electromagnetic pulse on sensitive electronics?

          In tactics of application on the battlefield, regarding physics.
          1. 0
            9 August 2022 17: 02
            You probably do not know, the United States has stepped up the development of compact EMP ammunition.
            1. -1
              9 August 2022 17: 33
              Quote from Electric
              You probably do not know, the United States has stepped up the development of compact EMP ammunition.

              So what?
              Range and power, as well as their mutual dependence, ceased to be physical quantities?
              Or did EMP suddenly have selectivity?
              The use of any means of EMP - jams both sides of the conflict equally.
              The effect from Amy falls almost quadratic depending on the range.
              In contact combat, for which a system based on Hololenz is being created, the use of EMP by one of the parties does not give any effect.
              I talk about this all the time.
  22. -4
    7 August 2022 10: 29
    The very statement of the problem, in my opinion, is already a dead end. Everything looks like
    heavy implementation of development commissioned by the military. The military, having seen enough,
    Marvel-style Hollywood movies wanted this and turned to Microsoft.
    Microsoft, having smelled the smell of big money, could not refuse. And it went and went according to the knurled version, when the contractor does NOT have a ready-made solution, and the Customer does not have a clear TASK. And we are already seeing the hundredth version of the product .... and things are still there. Well, there are some local shifts, but these shifts give impetus to new contradictions. I think .... they will still suffer, suffer and bury what they did. We need a clear concept, a theory, and Microsoft does not have such tools. Because this tool is ACADEMIC. Even if some academician knows a clear statement of the problem .... then he will give them back ??? Yes, for such a production, he will have to immediately receive Microsoft's annual profit no less.
    And academics are not stupid.
    1. 0
      8 August 2022 10: 20
      While the academicians formulate the task in an academically correct and systematic way, simple engineers and programmers from Microsoft with the same peers as sergeants and soldiers from the Marines will create a working product. Of course, having redone it several times and "finished it" to the desired condition.
      The world has changed ...
    2. 0
      9 August 2022 00: 02
      Quote: mediumpro
      The very statement of the problem, in my opinion, is already a dead end. Everything looks like
      heavy implementation of development commissioned by the military. The military, having seen enough,
      Marvel-style Hollywood movies wanted this and turned to Microsoft.
      Microsoft, having smelled the smell of big money, could not refuse. And it went and went according to the knurled version, when the contractor does NOT have a ready-made solution, and the Customer does not have a clear TASK. And we are already seeing the hundredth version of the product .... and things are still there. Well, there are some local shifts, but these shifts give impetus to new contradictions. I think .... they will still suffer, suffer and bury what they did. We need a clear concept, a theory, and Microsoft does not have such tools. Because this tool is ACADEMIC. Even if some academician knows a clear statement of the problem .... then he will give them back ??? Yes, for such a production, he will have to immediately receive Microsoft's annual profit no less.
      And academics are not stupid.

      This is not a movie.
      This is the development of modern multiplayer computer shooter games.
      GOST Recon, Rainbow Six and others.
      Situational awareness works wonders.
  23. 0
    7 August 2022 10: 45
    They are fighting in the wrong direction.
    Even a super soldier can't carry more than 70kg. And this is weapons, and armor, and means of communication.
    It is much more correct to give the soldier the opportunity to issue target designation to more powerful weapons, plus to strengthen these same weapons in the company / battalion / regimental level at the expense of the forces of regiments / divisions / armies.

    And you need to move away from the department of 8-11 people. For such a group, there are still no tasks. The minimum unit should be in the region of 45-65 fighters. With pocket artillery, reconnaissance drones, and some kind of air defense, incl. and against drones (possibly combined with a group KAZ).

    It's good to be a couch theorist hi
    1. +1
      7 August 2022 11: 06
      Quote: demiurg
      3. From the point of view of production, it’s actually just a VR headset that is stronger than usual and with NVD + thermal built-in, there are no problems producing them in the indicated volumes.

      A super-soldier will easily carry away, exoskeletons were not invented yesterday.
  24. 0
    7 August 2022 11: 10
    Quote: "...Microsoft was an unconventional defense contractor..." End of quote.
    And what about Microsoft?
    1. 0
      7 August 2022 14: 21
      Quote: iouris
      And what about Microsoft?
      They made such a thing for toys.
  25. AML
    0
    7 August 2022 12: 56
    Quote: demiurg

    It's good to be a couch theorist hi


    This is from the category of human psychology. It is unrealistic to manage so many people in one person.
  26. +1
    7 August 2022 13: 19
    Everything seems to be cool, but there is a nuance bully . So they learned to work with this system, and then bam and it bent unexpectedly, we won’t go into details from what, electronics are a thin thing, and certain skills and actions have been developed and are sharpened for a bunch of information from sensors and all sorts of stray, and the soldier turns into a blind kitten ? Damn dilemma.... recourse
    1. 0
      7 August 2022 16: 54
      Quote: blackcat
      and then bang and it bent unexpectedly, we won’t go into details from what, electronics are a thin thing, but certain skills and actions have been developed for a bunch of information from sensors and all kinds of stray, and the soldier turns into a blind kitten?

      Well, if you think like that, then you need to go back into the depths of centuries to a digging stick with a wound stone. Reliability is almost five nines and the stone does not rust from the blood of the enemy.
      Why do the military use hand-to-hand combat techniques if they hit a friend with long-range small arms or even level them with artillery?
      Although the Americans are stupid (c), they probably understand that such a situation is possible and work out actions in the old fashioned way.
  27. 0
    7 August 2022 15: 49
    A lot depends on the top leadership, and our generals pay more attention to whether the grass on the lawn near the barracks is painted and how the parade ground is swept. Even the Ukroshumers have better equipment, and volunteers help our fighters in the Donbass.
  28. AML
    -1
    7 August 2022 17: 31
    Quote: bk0010
    Then let's throw out the radio. She also weighs what to carry, right? Or binoculars.

    Does every soldier have a walkie-talkie and binoculars? Do you seriously believe that there are no conventional troops left in the Russian Federation - only special forces?

    The weight of ordinary equipment is 20-30 kg - calm down.
  29. AML
    +1
    7 August 2022 18: 15
    Quote: 16112014nk
    A lot depends on the top leadership, and our generals pay more attention to whether the grass on the lawn near the barracks is painted and how the parade ground is swept.


    Well, yes, otherwise they would visit the library and read poetry to each other. Don't carry bullshit. If the fighter is not puzzled, then he will puzzle himself, and in some cases with a fatal outcome. There will definitely be a clever theoretician who will tell you that alcohol can be obtained from varnish, and if you spread shoe polish on bread, it also rushes sourly.
  30. 0
    7 August 2022 20: 56
    Quote: Maluck
    I also thought, how will this whole system behave in electronic warfare conditions? Although if purely for training, then it will do, as for the actual conditions of the battle - IMHO there are big doubts ....

    Does anyone else talk about electronic warfare? Maybe tell more stories about the blinding of the destroyer in a new way?
  31. 0
    7 August 2022 23: 42
    Respect to the author for the topic good more info about the "Warrior" of the future, what concepts we are studying bully
  32. 0
    8 August 2022 15: 45
    Were there jokes about BSOD?
  33. AML
    0
    9 August 2022 11: 39
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: AML
    Are you serious?
    There is something with a known location. We take the magnetron and fuck somewhere there. All for sim.
    You can take the magnetron out of the microwave. Break not build.

    The ground station uses afar not because it is dofiga smart, but because it got rid of the antenna adjustment mechanism. 3-5 minutes and the next satellite.

    How many satellites does the foreman have and how many Starlink terminals were sent to Ukraine?
    Do you really understand what you are writing about?


    I understand that. The question is do you understand. At any given time, a user station works with 1 satellite, so it doesn't matter how many there are.
    And yes, the Starlink antenna must be mounted on a rigid base and it does not work from the basement.

    What for these perversions, if the Internet works in Ukraine anyway? Mask sect? This is in the states of the Internet in places, to put it mildly, not very much. But in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation there are no problems with this.

    Do you think the idea of ​​starlink is new? Yes figs there. Google how television was broadcast on the Far East in shaggy years. Also through low-orbit satellites.
    1. 0
      14 August 2022 19: 49
      1.Does not need to be mounted on a hard base.
      2. It works with a narrow beam that constantly and randomly moves for an external observer, which makes it extremely difficult to detect.
      3. Broadcast TV and the Internet are very different things.
      4. Somewhere it works, but somewhere it doesn't. That's where it doesn't work and is needed. It can be deployed and used in any field in a couple of minutes. Which is extremely convenient.
      1. AML
        0
        14 August 2022 21: 58
        If all else fails, finally read the instructions

        https://manuals.plus/wp-content/sideloads/spacex-starlink-volcano-mount-installation-instructions-optimized.pdf


        This is one of the mounts, but we are only interested in the introductory part. It is common to all installation types.


        Find A Spot
        Clear view (100 degrees) of the northern sky over the perimeter of rooftop.


        An open field in calm and dry weather is perfect. And so that there were no trees nearby. Well, just like on the advertising booklet. It’s not clear why they mention it, about if you didn’t succeed, contact the professionals.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 08: 26
          1. Fastening for ordinary satellite Internet, we will fix it so that the direction of the dish does not change even by a degree, otherwise call a pro who will set up a couple of hours, you can just throw Starlink in an open field. If it twitches, it's not a big deal. All the same, electronic scanning and its own guidance drives are
          2. Also, do not confuse works and works perfectly.
          3. Then the plate may be defective, call Technical Support if everything from half a poke does not work.
  34. 0
    13 September 2022 16: 49
    The US Army continues fun experiments to create the appearance of a soldier of the future.

    no matter how funny it is, they have someone, for what and from what to do all this ...
    unlike Rostec...
    as an example of equipment - if our pros have an opportunity, then they choose all "them", and not ours ...
    starting from shoes and ending with night vision devices on a helmet ...
    and it’s not even worth talking about the “electronics” of the Warrior ...
  35. 0
    3 October 2022 22: 31
    And you can also synchronize the system with a machine gun - as in computer shooters there will be a cross in front of your eyes, you can even shoot accurately from your belt. The only controls, in other words, the remote control, are still more logical to place on the weapon, on the bar, you don’t need to be distracted by removing your hands from the machine gun ... you can put something like a fire translator under your thumb, which will control the sight (far / near) and night vision (on off).
  36. 0
    23 October 2022 15: 09

    What is there to talk about here? Our soldiers do not have basic things, such as first-aid kits. I am generally silent about night vision devices and thermal imagers.

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